I think trolling would be the right term. At least Bush wasn't as dumb as he appeared. Intellectually incurious and incompetent, but he knew the score. Which, incidentally is hilarious if you read reports of his own opinion on Palin...
Of course Nurglitch, you being the king of trolls, I guess you'd know a troll when you saw one.
Maybe I'd vote for her, maybe I wouldn't. So she made a human error. Glad all dakkaites, specially our friends across the pond, are so perfect as to never make mistakes.
America made One Big Ass Mistake electing Obama. To a great many people who don't vote for her they'd feel the same if she got elected.
Although I hope Palin won't spend as much time fishing in Alaska as Obama does playing golf. I think even Tiger Woods plays less golf than Obama.
Some of us are a tad worried that US leaders have such a poor record when it comes to geography.
Something to do with them having fingers on certain buttons!
North Korea, South Korea.
North Ireland, South Ireland
Cmon guys, Im sure it was an honest slip. You know afterwards she did the "of christ, WHY was it that one?" Im not a fan of hers what so ever, and the thought of her actually running for Pres makes me smile. Smile the same way I smile when my son does something stupid and reminds me of being a kid. Yes, exactly the same way
BUT I still think that was a goof. Im sure she was thinking about EVERYTHING she was going to talk about and it just gummed up, happens to everyone
I think having a great knowledge of the world is certainly something that should be looked for in a leader. However the first thing should be how much they will do for their own country, and whether they are representative of their nations desires. Afterall, what we think of US politicians isn't really important now is it. Not defending or slating Palin here, just textually vomitting mind juice.
That's my idea of foreign policy. Of course I'm sure most leftists would love to see certain AZ officials quartered and hung for doing the federal governments job for them but thank God the Constitution allows states the right to do those things.
Of course, Mr. Eloquence, who has people write his speeches for him (damn would I love that job...being overpaid with taxpayer money to write a 40 page speech for the Man himself) never makes gaffes due to probably a dozen men/women bulletproofing everything he says and proofreading his speeches with a fine toothed comb.
Nice of people to jump all over someone for a simple gaffe.
It is only one gaffe, but it's the latest in a string of them IIRC. They're all only 1 little mistake, but together they make one huge mistake.
The possibility that she could have power over the USA worries me. You really can't afford to don't avoid the swear filter please ! up when a whole country and way of living is at stake.
I personally think Obama should stay in, not just to keep Palin out, but because I think his election was a 'right guy, wrong time' thing, and that he just got unlucky; but here, I don't live over there so what the heck do I really know?
Afterall, what we think of US politicians isn't really important now is it
Actually agree with King Cracker
Am sure Palin or any other American politician can't give two tomtits for what the likes of little ol' limey me thinks.
However, what they are thinking is of great import where the rest of the world is concerned, however isolationist or otherwise they may be.
US foreign policy affects us .
We have a right to be concerned.
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I just mean that I agree that it was just a slip of the tongue that we all make from time to time.
You know Bush had a team of speech-writers? Didn't stop him from making stupid gaffes. Joe Biden makes stupid gaffes as well. Everyone makes them. Obama made a bunch, notably his comments about the US Postal Service during the election.
The problem isn't that she makes gaffes, but the fact that she consistently displays poor judgment, ignorance, and the kind of inability to speak coherently that should scare the heck of out anyone regardless of whether they agree with her political positions, whatever they are. I mean take Bush, for example. Dude had a habit of laughable malpropisms, but at least you could understand what he'd meant and hence mock him for mangling it.
Similarly, quitting the Governorship of Alaska before she could get kicked could be seen as smart, if one is inclined to imagine she prefers to put her own welfare before that of her constituents...
David Frum is right to warn Republicans against her and her ilk from over-running their party, and diluting its intelligence and vision.
She also has yet to announce her run for Presidency. Odds are good she won't get elected. We'll find out in 2012. IMO she can't or won't be any worst than Obama.
I thought Clinton was a gakky President and he was loads better than O. If I had to vote for O or C I'd vote for C in a heartbeat (and I NEVER vote for a lefty).
You know Bush had a team of speech-writers? Didn't stop him from making stupid gaffes. Joe Biden makes stupid gaffes as well. Everyone makes them. Obama made a bunch, notably his comments about the US Postal Service during the election.
The problem isn't that she makes gaffes, but the fact that she consistently displays poor judgment, ignorance, and the kind of inability to speak coherently that should scare the heck of out anyone regardless of whether they agree with her political positions, whatever they are. I mean take Bush, for example. Dude had a habit of laughable malpropisms, but at least you could understand what he'd meant and hence mock him for mangling it.
Similarly, quitting the Governorship of Alaska before she could get kicked could be seen as smart, if one is inclined to imagine she prefers to put her own welfare before that of her constituents...
David Frum is right to warn Republicans against her and her ilk from over-running their party, and diluting its intelligence and vision.
You know Bush had a team of speech-writers? Didn't stop him from making stupid gaffes. Joe Biden makes stupid gaffes as well. Everyone makes them. Obama made a bunch, notably his comments about the US Postal Service during the election.
The problem isn't that she makes gaffes, but the fact that she consistently displays poor judgment, ignorance, and the kind of inability to speak coherently that should scare the heck of out anyone regardless of whether they agree with her political positions, whatever they are. I mean take Bush, for example. Dude had a habit of laughable malpropisms, but at least you could understand what he'd meant and hence mock him for mangling it.
Similarly, quitting the Governorship of Alaska before she could get kicked could be seen as smart, if one is inclined to imagine she prefers to put her own welfare before that of her constituents...
David Frum is right to warn Republicans against her and her ilk from over-running their party, and diluting its intelligence and vision.
Absolutely, yes.
No...keep getting dumber.
Eventually, the party will devolve, thus proving that there really is a God.
Nurglitch wrote:I think I'd only credit ancient meso-american hocus pocus if they'd seen their own end coming...
I wouldn't credit it because they never said the world would end in 2012. That's just when that particular calendar ends, and then they'd start a new calendar.
Nurglitch wrote:I think trolling would be the right term.
It's fateweaver, it'd be easier to think he says that stuff because he's trying to provoke people, but I think it's becoming increasing evident he really is that ridiculous.
At least Bush wasn't as dumb as he appeared. Intellectually incurious and incompetent, but he knew the score. Which, incidentally is hilarious if you read reports of his own opinion on Palin...
Yeah, thing is if anyone else had mistaken South Korea and North Korea, we'd all just have a laugh and move on. But with Palin, while it was probably just a bit of a goof, we can't really be certain...
Nurglitch wrote:I think trolling would be the right term.
It's fateweaver, it'd be easier to think he says that stuff because he's trying to provoke people, but I think it's becoming increasing evident he really is that ridiculous.
It's no worse than gaffs our current PotUS and VP have made.
Obama made reference to the wrong amount of US States FFS.
At least Palin's gaff was about a foreign nation and not her own.
I admit though that I hope the Reps can come up with someone better by 2012. Although we might not need to the way the way the BO is rolling, I'd still like to see it.
Aside from the whole Shuma thing, which is expected and frankly entertaining when he and Fate are in the same thread, it does seem that people are a bit eager to attack Fateweaver.
Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:I think he means that you are jealous because Fateweaver has Sarah rather than you, which makes you look cute cos green is so your colour!
is that right, it's too much like something from a soap, I am hopeless with soaps.
ps I do bathe regularly. Just in case you that is what you were thinking.
Why I only had a bath last month.
I only wander into OT land when I'm cleaning my guns. Going out shooting tomorrow so that is why I'm in OT tonight. Need to get my gear ready.
I've let 99% of attacks slide because, even though I like Warseer for 40k related stuff better I prefer Dakka for non-gaming issues so I don't like being forced to take 72 hour vacations.
Fateweaver wrote:Nice comment I could construe as a personal attack Seb. But I won't as I'm above that and probably above you.
As Frazz would say, talk gak about your own people running YOUR country.
Speaking of which, so nice of Australia to say we can have a man who SHOULD die by injection on the merits we only lock him away for a little bit.
How thoughtful.
appeal to authority (nationality)
red herring
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Monster Rain wrote:Aside from the whole Shuma thing, which is expected and frankly entertaining when he and Fate are in the same thread, it does seem that people are a bit eager to attack Fateweaver.
I actually expect better from you, sebster.
Just throwing that out there.
People are generally eager to attack fateweaver because when he makes accusations concerning the topic at hand (surprisingly rare, his posts generally don't get past presidential bashing) they tend to devolve into conspiratorial rants that are loaded to the bursting point with things that simply aren't true. Sebby can't be expected to run down hyperlogical fact finding trails to attempt to debate unreality, it's like arguing with a TV.
ShumaGorath wrote:People are generally eager to attack fateweaver because when he makes accusations concerning the topic at hand (surprisingly rare, his posts generally don't get past presidential bashing) they tend to devolve into conspiratorial rants that are loaded to the bursting point with things that simply aren't true. Sebby can't be expected to run down hyperlogical fact finding trails to attempt to debate unreality, it's like arguing with a TV.
ShumaGorath wrote:People are generally eager to attack fateweaver because when he makes accusations concerning the topic at hand (surprisingly rare, his posts generally don't get past presidential bashing) they tend to devolve into conspiratorial rants that are loaded to the bursting point with things that simply aren't true. Sebby can't be expected to run down hyperlogical fact finding trails to attempt to debate unreality, it's like arguing with a TV.
At least let it get to that point then.
Why? He's proven over a long enough span of time that he has a total inability to actually engage in any sort of discussion. The number of times he's posted "Obamanation" and "One big ass mistake America" can be counted by looking at his post count.
You know Bush had a team of speech-writers? Didn't stop him from making stupid gaffes. Joe Biden makes stupid gaffes as well. Everyone makes them. Obama made a bunch, notably his comments about the US Postal Service during the election.
The problem isn't that she makes gaffes, but the fact that she consistently displays poor judgment, ignorance, and the kind of inability to speak coherently that should scare the heck of out anyone regardless of whether they agree with her political positions, whatever they are. I mean take Bush, for example. Dude had a habit of laughable malpropisms, but at least you could understand what he'd meant and hence mock him for mangling it.
Similarly, quitting the Governorship of Alaska before she could get kicked could be seen as smart, if one is inclined to imagine she prefers to put her own welfare before that of her constituents...
David Frum is right to warn Republicans against her and her ilk from over-running their party, and diluting its intelligence and vision.
I'm not a fan of Palin or Frum, Frum's champion is McCain. The guy thinks the Republican's strategy should be to "out Democrat the Democrats".
I don't think she should run, she's not polished enough (i.e. too "real" for most), but we did elect a charismatic demagogue so what's the difference?
Fateweaver wrote:Nice comment I could construe as a personal attack Seb. But I won't as I'm above that and probably above you.
Is it a personal attack? I mean, many of your posts on this site are completely ridiculous, and there’s few posters who’d argue otherwise. If most of the posts made are ridiculous, how else might we honestly describe a person?
Is it a personal attack for you to claim you’re above me?
As Frazz would say, talk gak about your own people running YOUR country.
Start a thread on it and I’ll be happy to talk about the poor handling of the NBN or some other matter. To the extent that you can make sensible comments on the issue, I'd like to hear them.
Speaking of which, so nice of Australia to say we can have a man who SHOULD die by injection on the merits we only lock him away for a little bit.
As a country opposed to the death penalty, we won’t release a man to die in another country. I understand that you really and some of your compatriots really want to kill people, and so I’m sorry we can’t help you in that, but we simply can’t.
Monster Rain wrote:Aside from the whole Shuma thing, which is expected and frankly entertaining when he and Fate are in the same thread, it does seem that people are a bit eager to attack Fateweaver.
I actually expect better from you, sebster.
There is no point pretending it isn’t true. The guy makes utterly ridiculous comments, frequently.
Monster Rain wrote:At least let it get to that point then.
It’s been done, a lot. The guy doesn’t care for sense or reason, so why bother? Best thing is to just read, have a giggle and move on. No point getting angry because the guy isn’t trolling, he just believes things that are absurd.
As Shuma pointed out, this was already mentioned, and several people have acknowledged lots of politicians and public figures make gaffes. What makes this a little different is that given her efforts on foreign policy at other times, we just can't be certain she really knows which Korea is which.
Monster Rain wrote:At least let it get to that point then.
Let's not and just pretend we did.
The thread seems to have taken something of a swerve to a tired old exchange of insults we've all seen/read far too many times before, appears it might be correcting itself, so let's see what happens.
Whilst I think it fair to say there a lot of people have issues with some of the ideas the lady in question has, this really is nothing more than a slip of the tongue. It's quite clear from the rest of what she said she is, ultimately , aware of which Korea is on "our side". Sure it's worth a chuckle perhaps but it's nothing to get too worked up over really is it ? If her entire conversation had shown a complete lack of understanding of the difference then it would of course be more.... interesting.
I thought he comments about pot a few months back were perhaps the most sensible thing with regards to the subject I've heard from a mainstream politician for..well.... pretty much ever.
Looks like she's at it again... on her facebook page
My fellow Americans in all 57 states, the time has changed for come. With our country founded more than 20 centuries ago, we have much to celebrate – from the FBI’s 100 days to the reforms that bring greater inefficiencies to our health care system. We know that countries like Europe are willing to stand with us in our fight to halt the rise of privacy, and Israel is a strong friend of Israel’s. And let’s face it, everybody knows that it makes no sense that you send a kid to the emergency room for a treatable illness like asthma and they end up taking up a hospital bed. It costs, when, if you, they just gave, you gave them treatment early, and they got some treatment, and ah, a breathalyzer, or an inhalator. I mean, not a breathalyzer, ah, I don’t know what the term is in Austrian for that…
She then goes on to explain
Of course, the paragraph above is based on a series of misstatements and verbal gaffes made by Barack Obama (I didn’t have enough time to do one for Joe Biden). YouTube links are provided just in case you doubt the accuracy of these all too human slips-of-the-tongue. If you can’t remember hearing about them, that’s because for the most part the media didn’t consider them newsworthy. I have no complaint about that. Everybody makes the occasional verbal gaffe – even news anchors.
Obviously, I would have been even more impressed if the media showed some consistency on this issue. Unfortunately, it seems they couldn’t resist the temptation to turn a simple one word slip-of-the-tongue of mine into a major political headline. The one word slip occurred yesterday during one of my seven back-to-back interviews wherein I was privileged to speak to the American public about the important, world-changing issues before us.
If the media had bothered to actually listen to all of my remarks on Glenn Beck’s radio show, they would have noticed that I refer to South Korea as our ally throughout, that I corrected myself seconds after my slip-of-the-tongue, and that I made it abundantly clear that pressure should be put on China to restrict energy exports to the North Korean regime. The media could even have done due diligence and checked my previous statements on the subject, which have always been consistent, and in fact even ahead of the curve. But why let the facts get in the way of a good story?
the leftie media sure do a good job of not making Obamo out to be a bumbler. turn his autocue off and he has no idea what is going on.
the leftie media sure do a good job of not making Obamo out to be a bumbler. turn his autocue off and he has no idea what is going on.
I have never seen such an important figure say "uhhhhhh..." so many times as BO. Although I have seen my special needs uncle almost say it as much, but he's got the mental development of a 5 yr. old instead of "leading the free world".
the leftie media sure do a good job of not making Obamo out to be a bumbler. turn his autocue off and he has no idea what is going on.
I have never seen such an important figure say "uhhhhhh..." so many times as BO. Although I have seen my special needs uncle almost say it as much, but he's got the mental development of a 5 yr. old instead of "leading the free world".
We have already had actors AND doers in office... why not reality TV stars! (it's like acting like a doer!)
I don't consider speaking ability nearly as much as it has been (especially in the post Dubyah era) to be as big a deal as people make it out to be. After Bush, it's the easiest buzz for mudslinging. Voters are fickle and that's the big no-no in the current climate because the last idiot that was elected made a predictable idiot style mess of the power he had, and is easily memorable as an idiot who sounded dumb in the way he spoke, not for what he actually did/didn't do, but for how he made an oaf of himself when speaking. So yay... that's the new measuring stick fad for what makes a good world leader, well for this round of fickleness anyways.
That doesn't change the fact that she IS just a little bit noticeably ignorant about anything with substance she is speaking about and so are many of her 'fans' who seem to think that's a good thing, making her 'accessable or 'likeable' because she is just as ignorant and common as the 'average american hockey-mom' character she plays herself as.
I don't want a President who only as smart as I am, because I feel I can relate to said person. (actually I do, but I'm an elitist) I want one who is smarter, wiser, and BETTER than me, not some everyman I feel I can relate to.
I really don't care how eloquent a President's speech is, so much as the content. Ay umm and err and mispronounce all you want so long as what you are talking about is something relevant, well thought out, and with some sense of knowledgable information either of your own or of your advisors. When I think of Obama I think of smooth yet somewhat irrelevant 'hope' style speeches about topics concerning nothing relevant, and dead serious and decisive speeches about serious issues, and maybe (as if it matters) with a slipup here or there.
It is up to the individual what is serious or important, but it is also up to the individual to determine who is stupid enough to worry about comparing dancing with the stars as a 'wholesome' show unlike American Idol and even consider being a force in world political affairs. What does she want? To get the votes from 'dancing with the stars' fans at the expense of 'american idol' fans? Yeah that's some shrewd shrewd politics Sarah.
I don't care if Obama seems 'slick' because of a good speech writing team, and Palin seems like a buffoon. What I care about is that Palin is about as dumb as a box of rocks and it should be obvious no matter how well she speaks and comes over pretty obviously no matter what she is speaking about. What I care about even more is she thinks she speaks for the 'average' American (and sadly, she just might be right, dear lord I hope not).
I get absolutely no sense of deep thinking, critical thinking, analysis and well planned ideas at all from listening o her, what I get is a sense of a stupid 'every-woman' who feels empowered and energetic and completely free to make a complete ass of herself because she knows that her base can relate to her and forgive her her complete ignorance and moronic stance on serious world affairs because they are just as uninformed as Dancing With The Stars opinions and whatnot makes them. Maybe she should get Gene Simmons as a running mate, or Sharon Osbourne! I hear their reality shows do well too!
Final thought in my ramble: if you think Sarah Palin stands a chance in hell of being elected President, just think of how she would come accross to other international leaders. Do you think anybody would take her cute little mannerisms and spunky little soundbytes at all seriously? American voting public has a sometimes well deserved reputation of being ignorant, fickle, and, well dumb - but are we really THAT dumb?
Monster Rain wrote:At least let it get to that point then.
Let's not and just pretend we did.
Sorry, I just thought that the whole thing smacked of personal vendetta more than a political disagreement. But you are the Sheriff around these parts. Anyways... OT:
I'd be really surprised if she ended up being a serious contender for the Presidency. Ever. Giving up her job as the Governor was a mistake in my opinion, and something that any opponent is going to beat her over the head with during the Republican Primaries. I'm pretty well "right of center" but I honestly can't think of any leading republicans that I want to vote for for president. They all seem like a bunch of pandering carnies, if I'm honest.
yeenoghu wrote: (The) American voting public has a sometimes well deserved reputation of being ignorant, fickle, and, well dumb - but are we really THAT dumb?
No, of course not. The rest of us just worry that enough of you might be, for her to get a result. I've noticed a worrying trend towards Neo-cons just doing whatever annoys 'liberals' - good sense and decency be damned. That sort of mentality, combined with a significant swing towards the Republican party, and fairly wide-ranging dissatisfaction with Obama, could unfortunately see Palin in the White House, if you chaps aren't careful.
And make no mistake about it, she is a stupid, stupid woman. She wouldn't even get a council seat here. That 'folksy' thing doesn't cover up a politician's shortcomings as much in the UK, thankfully. I think you were spot-on with what you were saying about wanting a President who, if anything, was SMARTER than you, not equal. Good post in general that, actually. Nice work!
The only real equivalent we have here is the 'class thing' - certain sections of the UK's voting public don't trust Cameron because he went to Eton and Oxford. Please no! We couldn't possibly have one of the world's largest economies being run by a well-educated person! The very thought!
Hey albatross. We fear the same thing here about the rest of 'us' as you chaps over there do. There isn't really one American voice and unfortunately the loudest ones often belong to the biggest dumbest mob. I agree that she is stupid stupid lady and wouldn't possibly be taken seriously in British politics, but (at least so much as I have led to believe) you Brits are at least educated enough to know where Washington D.C. is as a pretty standard piece of common knowledge.
The big problem is that politics here are easily distracted by the unimportant. Our sense of freedom goes so far as to include ignorance, irrational belief, and stupidity as some kind of legally protected right of Americans. All rationality goes out the window when it comes remotely close to anybody's 'beliefs'. It goes hand-in-hand with "In God We Trust". I won't start this as a religion-versus-state specific target, but it is very easy to distract a large number of people who are bent out of shape about what most people consider an unimportant issue (like gay marriage, Obama's Islamic potential, weapons, stem cells, all typically Republican/religious-right concerns that are simply uninteresting or only interesting in that it heightens our level of worry about who it is who actually has the voting power.)
God's will and reality TV's will influences me to think blah blah and I have a right to vote (and, unfortunately for the rest of you, breath). As an extremely black-and-white way of looking at it, a politician here has the decision to either embrace the mob and pander to their ignorant priorities, or to embrace the intellectual and pander to their rationality, while looking just "not-quite-as-dumb" to try and sway the rational to a lesser of two evils choice. Nice juggling act I suppose to try to rationally appeal to an irrational mob, or dogmatically appeal to a rational one. I wonder every election which one I think is outnumbered here, and what the circus must look like to outsiders.
Fateweaver wrote:Nice comment I could construe as a personal attack Seb. But I won't as I'm above that and probably above you.
Is it a personal attack? I mean, many of your posts on this site are completely ridiculous, and there’s few posters who’d argue otherwise. If most of the posts made are ridiculous, how else might we honestly describe a person?
Is it a personal attack for you to claim you’re above me?
As Frazz would say, talk gak about your own people running YOUR country.
Start a thread on it and I’ll be happy to talk about the poor handling of the NBN or some other matter. To the extent that you can make sensible comments on the issue, I'd like to hear them.
Speaking of which, so nice of Australia to say we can have a man who SHOULD die by injection on the merits we only lock him away for a little bit.
As a country opposed to the death penalty, we won’t release a man to die in another country. I understand that you really and some of your compatriots really want to kill people, and so I’m sorry we can’t help you in that, but we simply can’t.
Monster Rain wrote:Aside from the whole Shuma thing, which is expected and frankly entertaining when he and Fate are in the same thread, it does seem that people are a bit eager to attack Fateweaver.
I actually expect better from you, sebster.
There is no point pretending it isn’t true. The guy makes utterly ridiculous comments, frequently.
Monster Rain wrote:At least let it get to that point then.
It’s been done, a lot. The guy doesn’t care for sense or reason, so why bother? Best thing is to just read, have a giggle and move on. No point getting angry because the guy isn’t trolling, he just believes things that are absurd.
!) Ridiculous to you maybe but then again the apparent side of the podium makes your ideas ridiculous to me, which obviously is my opinion. As to others, most of the ones who think I speak out my ass are people with personal vendettas. FFS, even HBMC can refrain from attacking me on occasion.
2) Again, why do foreigners feel the need to bash on our leaders or potential future leaders? I doubt very few Americans (even my redneck uneducated friends, don't rant and rave about the Queen or the PM of GB or the leaders of other countries.
3) Yes, I do like to kill people. Hell, I do it on a daily basis. I'm just so damn good at it I haven't been caught yet. I think my body count is up over 1,000. I guess the DP is one thing we'll have to agree to disagree on. Eh?
4) Utterly ridiculous is your opinion. In my opinion any comment advocating looser immigration laws, gay rights, trying international terrorists in civilian court are all utterly ridiculous no matter HOW those particular comments are worded due to the NOTION of those topics being utterly ridiculous in my opinion.
But I'm not going to enter into a pissing contest with anyone. Shuma, as to my post count being so high because I like to post "Obamanation or "One big ass mistake, America" comments, shows you apparently can't read. My post count in NON-OT threads is nearly as high as my post count in OT threads (and for the pedantic who will pick apart this comment just to prove me wrong I did say NEARLY as high).
Fateweaver wrote:Better than Obama. Yes, I said it.
I'd vote for her.
In the words of StarshipTroopers "We'll Fight... and We'll Win!"
She's not the new black, she's the old black, made up by liberals to make fun of conservatives. But she shoots a shotgun well,which makes her better than 95% of politicians.
Fateweaver wrote:So I'm trolling if I say I'd vote for Palin?
Of course Nurglitch, you being the king of trolls, I guess you'd know a troll when you saw one.
Maybe I'd vote for her, maybe I wouldn't. So she made a human error. Glad all dakkaites, specially our friends across the pond, are so perfect as to never make mistakes.
America made One Big Ass Mistake electing Obama. To a great many people who don't vote for her they'd feel the same if she got elected.
Although I hope Palin won't spend as much time fishing in Alaska as Obama does playing golf. I think even Tiger Woods plays less golf than Obama.
They don't vote (neither do you college kids now evidently ) . Who cares who they want? Then again who cares what I want?
More importantly. beware of tangled, its a musical hidden as a kid's movie. In a packed theater there were about 15 dads and 100,300,256 little girls. Halfway through it was like the little girl version of Rocky Horror Picture show. Lots of little girls in the aisle dancing and singing along. Run!
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sebster wrote:
Nurglitch wrote:I think trolling would be the right term.
It's fateweaver, it'd be easier to think he says that stuff because he's trying to provoke people, but I think it's becoming increasing evident he really is that ridiculous.
Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
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Fateweaver wrote:No biggie Monster Rain.
I only wander into OT land when I'm cleaning my guns. Going out shooting tomorrow so that is why I'm in OT tonight. Need to get my gear ready.
I've let 99% of attacks slide because, even though I like Warseer for 40k related stuff better I prefer Dakka for non-gaming issues so I don't like being forced to take 72 hour vacations.
Back to my guns.....
Now there is a coincidence. Going in to sight the scope on my wimpy Remington .22
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Monster Rain wrote:
ShumaGorath wrote:People are generally eager to attack fateweaver because when he makes accusations concerning the topic at hand (surprisingly rare, his posts generally don't get past presidential bashing) they tend to devolve into conspiratorial rants that are loaded to the bursting point with things that simply aren't true. Sebby can't be expected to run down hyperlogical fact finding trails to attempt to debate unreality, it's like arguing with a TV.
At least let it get to that point then.
Why? He's proven over a long enough span of time that he has a total inability to actually engage in any sort of discussion. The number of times he's posted "Obamanation" and "One big ass mistake America" can be counted by looking at his post count.
Didn't you just come off being suspended again, and already attacking another poster?
Fateweaver wrote:
!) Ridiculous to you maybe but then again the apparent side of the podium makes your ideas ridiculous to me, which obviously is my opinion. As to others, most of the ones who think I speak out my ass are people with personal vendettas. FFS, even HBMC can refrain from attacking me on occasion.
To be fair, you have a long history of arguing from factually incorrect premises; even going so far as to acknowledge that you willfully ignore fact in favor of feeling.
Fateweaver wrote:
2) Again, why do foreigners feel the need to bash on our leaders or potential future leaders? I doubt very few Americans (even my redneck uneducated friends, don't rant and rave about the Queen or the PM of GB or the leaders of other countries.
Well, off the top of my head:
1) America is a powerful nation and, as a result, our elections tend to have significant impacts beyond our borders.
2) Many people simply find politics to be interesting, and American has both a very interesting political climate and is heavily covered by the media abroad.
Additionally, I know many Americans that enjoy poking fun at foreign politicians. Including some Texans on this board who have made the same argument that you're making now. Iranian politics is a popular target for derision, as are Israeli politics, British politics, French politics, and Russian politics. North Korea certainly fits in there as well.
Fateweaver wrote:
4) Utterly ridiculous is your opinion. In my opinion any comment advocating looser immigration laws, gay rights, trying international terrorists in civilian court are all utterly ridiculous no matter HOW those particular comments are worded due to the NOTION of those topics being utterly ridiculous in my opinion.
This is what I was talking about above when I mentioned that you prefer to proceed on feeling, rather than reason.
Getting an elbow in the mouth is better than falling off a segway. Mind you, apparently segways are death-traps, whereas basketball is a non-contact sport.
Also, I feel it's unfair to treat sebster's explanation of Fateweaver's posting as an attack on his character. Fateweaver's characterization of me as the "king of trolls" is an attack on my character since it attributes to me an active malice, whereas sebster is correcting me for attributing to malice what is clearly Fateweaver's own inability, and therefore no fault of Fateweaver.
Nurglitch wrote:Getting an elbow in the mouth is better than falling off a segway. Mind you, apparently segways are death-traps, whereas basketball is a non-contact sport.
Also, I feel it's unfair to treat sebster's explanation of Fateweaver's posting as an attack on his character. Fateweaver's characterization of me as the "king of trolls" is an attack on my character since it attributes to me an active malice, whereas sebster is correcting me for attributing to malice what is clearly Fateweaver's own inability, and therefore no fault of Fateweaver.
Basketball's "unofficially" a contact sport. But it certainly is quite brutal.
Additionally, I know many Americans that enjoy poking fun at foreign politicians. Including some Texans on this board who have made the same argument that you're making now. Iranian politics is a popular target for derision, as are Israeli politics, British politics, French politics, and Russian politics. North Korea certainly fits in there as well.
Yeah, I'm glad you posted this - I thought I was imagining things...
And frankly, even if it wasn't the case that Americans discussed the politics of other countries, this is an American board and as such, US politics is discussed a fair bit - as users of the site we are free to join in the discussion.
Unless...what? We aren't allowed to talk about what ever we want? Do certain American members get to tell us what we can and can't talk about?
Well, I've got one word to say to anyone who says that:
Who in their right mind would vote for someone who has to write their main talking points on their hand so they can remember?
What happened to having people have a stance and keeping it? Everything is lies, these fools just change their tone when it suits them. Burn the heretics.
Asherian Command wrote:Dumbass woman! THANK GOD NO ONE EXCEPT 1/10 of the population is this STUPID!
It makes glen beck look like a Intelligent and legitimate source.
Lol, that's hilarious since she was in statistical dead heat with Obama in potential election polling.
Asherian Command wrote:Dumbass woman! THANK GOD NO ONE EXCEPT 1/10 of the population is this STUPID! It makes glen beck look like a Intelligent and legitimate source.
Lol, that's hilarious since she was in statistical dead heat with Obama in potential election polling.
Really? Last I saw she trailed by 20 points at minimum but was in a dead heat with other GOP hopefuls in a caucus election. You sure you're not confused here?
yeenoghu wrote:American voting public has a sometimes well deserved reputation of being ignorant, fickle, and, well dumb - but are we really THAT dumb?
Americans aren't 'dumb'. Italians aren't dumb, despite putting Berlusconi is office on three seperate occassions. The Russians weren't stupid, despite how strongly they supported Putin.
Smart people can believe incredibly stupid political things, because politics is a fairly distanced thing, and quite outside of most people's regular experiences. The result, as you pointed out in your other post, is that politics is frequently distracted by, and decided by, unimportant issues. Hey, one of the major issues in the election down here was people arriving by boats to claim refugee status, to the point where one of the two candidates was actually talking about having a direct line set up in his his office whenever a new boatload of refugees arrives so he can deal with the matter personally. This is ridiculous because we receive, at most, 2,000 people by boat every year, it was a completely trivial issue over which to focus so much of the election.
Decent political debate really depends on the politicians themselves and the news media to have personal, professional pride to keep to issues of importance. That is increasingly looking like a lot to ask for though...
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Fateweaver wrote:!) Ridiculous to you maybe but then again the apparent side of the podium makes your ideas ridiculous to me, which obviously is my opinion. As to others, most of the ones who think I speak out my ass are people with personal vendettas. FFS, even HBMC can refrain from attacking me on occasion.
Everyone has a right to an opinion, but that doesn't make all opinions equally valid. Reality matters, mate. The extent to
And by the way, I have no personal vendetta against you. I hold no ill will towards you at all. I think your posts get too personal at times, but that's something plenty of posters are guilty of, and I know you've been penalised for that when you've gone to far.
I just think your political opinions are extremely poorly considered.
2) Again, why do foreigners feel the need to bash on our leaders or potential future leaders? I doubt very few Americans (even my redneck uneducated friends, don't rant and rave about the Queen or the PM of GB or the leaders of other countries.
Do you think it is at all sensible to say I 'rave' about US politics or just bash US leaders? That kind of thing is exactly what I'm getting at when I comment that you make ridiculous statements.
3) Yes, I do like to kill people. Hell, I do it on a daily basis. I'm just so damn good at it I haven't been caught yet. I think my body count is up over 1,000. I guess the DP is one thing we'll have to agree to disagree on. Eh?
Absolutely, we're agreeing to disagree. Just as Australia and the US did? So why did you attack the Australin government's position on this issue in the first place?
I'm dead serious. I got no problem with folks electing who they want, but in lieu of my opinion of her I just couldn't stand paying taxes to an administration headed by a woman that frightens (and excites!) me in many ways.
I'm a San Fransisco bleeding heart liberal though, so you'll have to pardon my insanity.
agroszkiewicz wrote:I'm dead serious. I got no problem with folks electing who they want, but in lieu of my opinion of her I just couldn't stand paying taxes to an administration headed by a woman that frightens (and excites!) me in many ways.
I'm a San Fransisco bleeding heart liberal though, so you'll have to pardon my insanity.
Well y'all did elect Governor Moonbeam yet again (what is this the 27th time? ) so, yea...
agroszkiewicz wrote:I'm dead serious. I got no problem with folks electing who they want, but in lieu of my opinion of her I just couldn't stand paying taxes to an administration headed by a woman that frightens (and excites!) me in many ways.
I'm a San Fransisco bleeding heart liberal though, so you'll have to pardon my insanity.
Well y'all did elect Governor Moonbeam yet again (what is this the 27th time? ) so, yea...
Talkin about Brown? Yeah he's a little out there, but he knows how to deal with the insanity of Cali ballot measures. I'm concerned about his connections to organized labor, but Whitman really made alot of folks sick with her smear politics and spending obscene amounts of personal wealth in a bid to "buy" the election. Doing that during record unemployment and while folks like me are choosing between medical care and food was not a smart idea.
agroszkiewicz wrote:I'm dead serious. I got no problem with folks electing who they want, but in lieu of my opinion of her I just couldn't stand paying taxes to an administration headed by a woman that frightens (and excites!) me in many ways.
I'm a San Fransisco bleeding heart liberal though, so you'll have to pardon my insanity.
Well y'all did elect Governor Moonbeam yet again (what is this the 27th time? ) so, yea...
Talkin about Brown? Yeah he's a little out there, but he knows how to deal with the insanity of Cali ballot measures. I'm concerned about his connections to organized labor, but Whitman really made alot of folks sick with her smear politics and spending obscene amounts of personal wealth in a bid to "buy" the election. Doing that during record unemployment and while folks like me are choosing between medical care and food was not a smart idea.
agroszkiewicz wrote:I'm dead serious. I got no problem with folks electing who they want, but in lieu of my opinion of her I just couldn't stand paying taxes to an administration headed by a woman that frightens (and excites!) me in many ways.
I'm a San Fransisco bleeding heart liberal though, so you'll have to pardon my insanity.
Well y'all did elect Governor Moonbeam yet again (what is this the 27th time? ) so, yea...
I'm not suprised that 19 didn't go through, not that it matters....you can get a medical card for weed here for under 100 bucks and anything from PMS to cancer is a legally recognized reason to prescribe it.
Medical Cannabis is total BS... IMO. Its a weed store, you go to buy weed. <shrug>
As for options in the election, yeah we did. I followed the race closely and made my voting choices based on the data I gathered and my own social priorities. If you don't do that, you have no room to complain....at the very least.
