Hey,

For the background of my regiments, I have encountered several small problems with the fluff.

In a part of the fluff from my homeworld, there is a Tyranid invasion.
The planet lies near the eastern border of the Segentum Solar.
However, is it possible? (Wouldn't the majority of the Imperium have suffered if the Tyranids striked this deep?)

The Bataviran regiments always contain 2 companies from the Thurrovian factory world and 2 companies from the Ardennian mining colony.
Could these companies be divided among the Bataviran company because of their special abilities?
(Example: The Adrennians excell at digging trenches, instead of making two companies that excell at this, they split them into smaller groups and dived them among the Bataviran companies.)

As last: Batavira is an agri-world, these planets usually contain between 15.000 and 1.000.000 people.
I wanted to make my planet contain 40.000.000 people. (Just because of the sheer size of this planet)
Possible or not?

all of those things are possible

Tyranid splinter fleets are ranging far and wide throughout the imperium, and the nids are being attracted to the astronomicon, so they can go as deep or as far as you want.

The imperial guard has innumerable forms or organizational structure and such, so really you can do whatever you want with guard regiments.

As to the population of an agri planet due to size would be gravity. I would think maybe it could be subterranean as well as surface dwelling, thereby doubling living area, could have hive stacks on an agri world, some freak thing that would lessen the gravity, or the people deal with the gravity in some fashion. We are talking gravity several times earth where a human would not be able to survive...

Hivefleet leviathan would be your best bet for producing a splinter fleet near the segmentum solar.

The tyrandids are just everywhere. I'd like to see what happens when they hit Sol.

The idea about Bataviran is an artic planet where the people survive in gigantic domes. Inside these domes people produce food in order to survive.
Which could be by growing crops or tending cows.

how can it be an agri-world if they only make enough to survive? argi-worlds are worlds that export foodstuffs.

The Tyranid are coming at Earth from below the galactic plane. They don't need to carve their way through the entire galaxy to get to Segmentum Solar.

I love the idea of an Underground Ice Cow! You should model one up for an objective!

Allright, my love of Ice Cows aside, I concur with all of the other posters that everything you want to do fluff-wise is possible. Have you started working on the army at all, or are you still in the planning stages?

Apart from the nercons (who already did it ) the tryanids are the mostly likely to get to the segentum solar.
Also if you want a planet to be huge you have the said problem of gavity but when did 40k have the fact in it?

oldone wrote:Apart from the nercons (who already did it ) the tryanids are the mostly likely to get to the segentum solar.
Also if you want a planet to be huge you have the said problem of gavity but when did 40k have the fact in it?

Gravity still exists.
Also Horus also managed to get to Terra.

oldone wrote:y but when did 40k have the fact in it?

Ogryns

BluntmanDC wrote:

oldone wrote:y but when did 40k have the fact in it?

Ogryns

I think what Bluntman means is that humans have evolved slightly to adapt to a changed environment for example Ogryns which have adapted to a high gravity environment, which could be the answer for the OP. You could use a mix of Catachan and Cadian bits to represent the increased muscle mass the inhabitants would have due to living in a high gravity environment.
Or he could mean something else i don't know.

I think some people need to check their physics textbooks again. The physical size of a plane does not equate to higher gravity. Saturn and Neptune have only slightly higher gravities compared to earth (1.13-1.14 times that of earth) despite being 9x and 3x (respectively) the diameter of earth. So yes, you could have a planet 10x the size of the earth with the same gravity (provided the mass of the planet was not significantly large).

In fact, one of the extrasolar planets believed to be capable of sustaining life is about 4x larger than earth but has a very similar gravitational pull, calculated to be slightly lower IIRC.

chaos0xomega wrote:I think some people need to check their physics textbooks again. The physical size of a plane does not equate to higher gravity. Saturn and Neptune have only slightly higher gravities compared to earth (1.13-1.14 times that of earth) despite being 9x and 3x (respectively) the diameter of earth. So yes, you could have a planet 10x the size of the earth with the same gravity (provided the mass of the planet was not significantly large).

In fact, one of the extrasolar planets believed to be capable of sustaining life is about 4x larger than earth but has a very similar gravitational pull, calculated to be slightly lower IIRC.

I think people realise that and are taking it as a given that it is made from the same stuff Earth is and with a mass relative to it's size accordingly.

It could be made of the same stuff as Earth, but its mass need not be relative to it's size. If it has a lot of very large, deep running caves, and a greater proportion of the lighter materials/smaller core, etc. it could very well be a much larger earthlike planet with a similar gravity.

chaos0xomega wrote:It could be made of the same stuff as Earth, but its mass need not be relative to it's size. If it has a lot of very large, deep running caves, and a greater proportion of the lighter materials/smaller core, etc. it could very well be a much larger earthlike planet with a similar gravity.

That is probably a better solution for the OP's fluff.
Still, i wouldn't do it pueley because i wouldn't be able to get the name Planet Pillow out of my head.

purplefood wrote:

BluntmanDC wrote:

oldone wrote:y but when did 40k have the fact in it?

Ogryns

I think what Bluntman means is that humans have evolved slightly to adapt to a changed environment for example Ogryns which have adapted to a high gravity environment, which could be the answer for the OP. You could use a mix of Catachan and Cadian bits to represent the increased muscle mass the inhabitants would have due to living in a high gravity environment.
Or he could mean something else i don't know.

Thats pretty much was what i ment, GW has taken gravity into account in some way

chaos0xomega wrote:I think some people need to check their physics textbooks again. The physical size of a plane does not equate to higher gravity. Saturn and Neptune have only slightly higher gravities compared to earth (1.13-1.14 times that of earth) despite being 9x and 3x (respectively) the diameter of earth. So yes, you could have a planet 10x the size of the earth with the same gravity (provided the mass of the planet was not significantly large).

In fact, one of the extrasolar planets believed to be capable of sustaining life is about 4x larger than earth but has a very similar gravitational pull, calculated to be slightly lower IIRC.

Can you build a city on Saturn, no ITS MADE OF MOSTLY GAS. the world would have to be of similar density as Earth to support cities, it would have to be even more dense if it had caverns, otherwise the caverns would collapse under the wait of the materials needed to make a city and support human life. With a similar density and an increase in size of the planet, it would have greater gravitational effect.

Changed the population to 15.000.000.

BluntmanDC wrote:how can it be an agri-world if they only make enough to survive? argi-worlds are worlds that export foodstuffs.

The planet needs a reason to be important to the Imperium. Thus these people produce crops in order to survive ---> to have any interest. Why would the Imperium otherwise bother to colonise a planet?

MegaDave wrote:I love the idea of an Underground Ice Cow! You should model one up for an objective!

Cows are part of the fluff, which can be found here. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/331115.page
I am also toying with the idea of making cows as Rough riders..

oldone wrote:Apart from the nercons (who already did it ) the tryanids are the mostly likely to get to the segentum solar.
Also if you want a planet to be huge you have the said problem of gavity but when did 40k have the fact in it?

I asked this so that no one would go insane about some little mistakes. Did 40k ever notice rotation speed? (The sound a planet mades when it's turning.)
We as humans don't hear it, because we are acustomed to it. However if you stand upon another earth-like planet with a rotation speed slightly lower or higher, you would keep hearing the sound.

purplefood wrote:

BluntmanDC wrote:

oldone wrote:y but when did 40k have the fact in it?

Ogryns

I think what Bluntman means is that humans have evolved slightly to adapt to a changed environment for example Ogryns which have adapted to a high gravity environment, which could be the answer for the OP. You could use a mix of Catachan and Cadian bits to represent the increased muscle mass the inhabitants would have due to living in a high gravity environment.
Or he could mean something else i don't know.

The main question was: Is it possible to have a large argi planet with a population of 40.000.000

purplefood wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:It could be made of the same stuff as Earth, but its mass need not be relative to it's size. If it has a lot of very large, deep running caves, and a greater proportion of the lighter materials/smaller core, etc. it could very well be a much larger earthlike planet with a similar gravity.

That is probably a better solution for the OP's fluff.
Still, i wouldn't do it pueley because i wouldn't be able to get the name Planet Pillow out of my head.

I will keep planet Pillow in mind if I ever start a new guard regiment...

Ok it is possible for an agri world to have a largepopulation. Very large as it seems to be. Maybe they lve in underground cities and harvest the entire surface for food or live in floating town (Lots of little ones) and herd space cows or something.

loner wrote:

BluntmanDC wrote:how can it be an agri-world if they only make enough to survive? argi-worlds are worlds that export foodstuffs.

The planet needs a reason to be important to the Imperium. Thus these people produce crops in order to survive ---> to have any interest. Why would the Imperium otherwise bother to colonise a planet?

its just that why would the IoM colonise an ice world to use as an agri world, to be an agri world it has to produce more than it uses which would be hard on an ice world

BluntmanDC wrote:

loner wrote:

BluntmanDC wrote:how can it be an agri-world if they only make enough to survive? argi-worlds are worlds that export foodstuffs.

The planet needs a reason to be important to the Imperium. Thus these people produce crops in order to survive ---> to have any interest. Why would the Imperium otherwise bother to colonise a planet?

its just that why would the IoM colonise an ice world to use as an agri world, to be an agri world it has to produce more than it uses which would be hard on an ice world

Where did he say it was an ice world?

BluntmanDC wrote:

Can you build a city on Saturn, no ITS MADE OF MOSTLY GAS. the world would have to be of similar density as Earth to support cities, it would have to be even more dense if it had caverns, otherwise the caverns would collapse under the wait of the materials needed to make a city and support human life. With a similar density and an increase in size of the planet, it would have greater gravitational effect.

Thats totally untrue, the weight thing not the saturn thing(athough you could theoretically build a city on Saturn (a floating city). In fact, if you read Nemesis, there ARE cities on Saturn in WH40k). There are numerous cities that are built on top of artificial or natural cave systems, some of which are VERY extensive and run very deep. You could very easily have a viable planet made of earthen materials. The crust layer would have to be much thicker (and of course filled with caves), with much thinner core and mantle layers. In the end, gravity is G(m/r) where G is the universal gravitational constant, m is the mass of the planet, and are is the distance from the center of mass (the center of a planet) to its surface (sea level). It's science fiction, its not hard to find a way to make it work.

chaos0xomega wrote:

BluntmanDC wrote:

Can you build a city on Saturn, no ITS MADE OF MOSTLY GAS. the world would have to be of similar density as Earth to support cities, it would have to be even more dense if it had caverns, otherwise the caverns would collapse under the wait of the materials needed to make a city and support human life. With a similar density and an increase in size of the planet, it would have greater gravitational effect.

Thats totally untrue, the weight thing not the saturn thing(athough you could theoretically build a city on Saturn (a floating city). In fact, if you read Nemesis, there ARE cities on Saturn in WH40k). There are numerous cities that are built on top of artificial or natural cave systems, some of which are VERY extensive and run very deep. You could very easily have a viable planet made of earthen materials. The crust layer would have to be much thicker (and of course filled with caves), with much thinner core and mantle layers. In the end, gravity is G(m/r) where G is the universal gravitational constant, m is the mass of the planet, and are is the distance from the center of mass (the center of a planet) to its surface (sea level). It's science fiction, its not hard to find a way to make it work.

There you go then. Question answered.
It is in fact possible for a planet to be used as an Agri-world whilst retaining a large population.

But the OP said something about living in agro-domes and farming within them? I think that might have to be changed, unless farming underground is viable.

blazinpsycho&typhooni wrote:But the OP said something about living in agro-domes and farming within them? I think that might have to be changed, unless farming underground is viable.

Funny thing that. It is apparently.
My example being Calth (Ultramarine world) where the Word Bearers did something funny to the sun and the planet is dangerously radioactive on the surface but the people live in caves where they grow stuff. Like grapes.

I meant as if they had the means to, but I guess you're right. Plus if the planet were large and porous, think about all the space for farming!

Also, having a less dense core, meaning lower gravity similar to earth's, would the planet's gravitational field/well be smaller? Would that allow ships to warpjump closer to the planet?

hrm... underground space cows?

blazinpsycho&typhooni wrote:I meant as if they had the means to, but I guess you're right. Plus if the planet were large and porous, think about all the space for farming!

Also, having a less dense core, meaning lower gravity similar to earth's, would the planet's gravitational field/well be smaller? Would that allow ships to warpjump closer to the planet?

hrm... underground space cows?

I not only have little to no understanding of physics but no understanding of how the hell a warp thingy works.
Someone else might be able to help better.

purplefood wrote:

blazinpsycho&typhooni wrote:I meant as if they had the means to, but I guess you're right. Plus if the planet were large and porous, think about all the space for farming!

Also, having a less dense core, meaning lower gravity similar to earth's, would the planet's gravitational field/well be smaller? Would that allow ships to warpjump closer to the planet?

hrm... underground space cows?

I not only have little to no understanding of physics but no understanding of how the hell a warp thingy works.
Someone else might be able to help better.

The warp jump thing sounds interesting, perhaps a little more information?
Also: Servo skullls, can they be used as beekeepers?
The idea is that because the servo skulls are smaller and they cannot be stung they are prefered for domisticating bees.
Or perhaps used on the battle field as lightbearers? Or as part of the administratum, keeping track of the entire battle first hand?
(Don't know why they would bother, but I noticed that thing upon the Command squad sprue...)

As I recall, I think it was in a crimson fists novel/story. Orks have come to assault their world. They have a day or so before the orks come because they have to jump outside the (either planet's or system's) gravity well or risky being torn apart by the gravity when they warp in. So the imperial ships set up a perimieter at where they believe the orks will jump in.

Big surprise though. Orks dont really give a damn about the laws of gravity. They jump in above the planet, tearing apart hundreds of their ships raining wreckage onto the planet. Imps have to trek back to planet and try and save them.

I think it has to do with the pull of gravity and the warp or something. A planet's gravity is pretty strong

I also believe that gravity wells have been used in other games, mainly sins of a solar empire. You can only jump into a planets outer rim of the gravity well, and jumping out can only occur at the outer rim.

afaik compared to other forces gravity is pretty damn weak.
anywho Mr.Psycho&Typhoon is right you can't jump in too close to a planet maybe it has something to do with sudden strees on a ships hull maybe not.

loner wrote:
In a part of the fluff from my homeworld, there is a Tyranid invasion.
The planet lies near the eastern border of the Segentum Solar.
However, is it possible? (Wouldn't the majority of the Imperium have suffered if the Tyranids striked this deep?)

This might help, it's a 40k star map, fairly up to date

http://www.joachim-adomeit.de/wh40k/spacemap/map.html

Pilau Rice wrote:

loner wrote:
In a part of the fluff from my homeworld, there is a Tyranid invasion.
The planet lies near the eastern border of the Segentum Solar.
However, is it possible? (Wouldn't the majority of the Imperium have suffered if the Tyranids striked this deep?)

This might help, it's a 40k star map, fairly up to date

http://www.joachim-adomeit.de/wh40k/spacemap/map.html

That is so ridiculously awesome it's awesomeness pases on to you.
Thanks as well btw.

purplefood wrote:
That is so ridiculously awesome it's awesomeness pases on to you.
Thanks as well btw.

Happy to help

Yes it is, but that doesn't mean it's weak. Like comparing artillery shells to an exterminatus. So what it won't destroy planets, but it'll still kill people.

blazinpsycho&typhooni wrote:Yes it is, but that doesn't mean it's weak. Like comparing artillery shells to an exterminatus. So what it won't destroy planets, but it'll still kill people.

Sorry what are you talking about?

Lol I missed this page, I intended to post this after your earlier comment about gravity being relatively weak to the other forces.

I only realized there was a second page after my post was posted

blazinpsycho&typhooni wrote:Lol I missed this page, I intended to post this after your earlier comment about gravity being relatively weak to the other forces.

I only realized there was a second page after my post was posted

Yeah it'll still destroy the ship but that's only 'cos sci-fi in general says it will.

A planet could be larger and have the same effective gravtational pull. Things not in contact or part of the planet would feel the pull but things in contact feel the gravity less due to centrifugal force.

Centripetal or centrifugal? I always get the two mixed up.

so like the skaters problem? Where people on the ice form a line and start spinning. Those on the outside face the strongest force, while those on the inside barely feel it

Im not sure, but i dont think there is gravity in the warp, so suddenly leaving an area with no up or down. Then all of a sudden you have a gravitational pull that is pulling on the ship, I would imagine there are failsafes on a ship that detect when you are to close to a mass of gravity, and that they would kick in suddenly as well.

No I agree, I don't think the warp has gravity.

But the warp itself could have a force of it's own.

I think you're onto something though, going from a place of no gravity to one with stronger gravity, could cause some problems.

Hey,

New question:
Is it possible for a regiment to play loud music when going into an attack. So when travalling to a destination the entire regiment sings warsongs and when going to war songs about ancient heroes and loyalty to the Emperor can be heard. The idea of an entire guard regiment going into a full scale attack while playing mozart appeals to me in a certain way.
The music would be coming from the vehicles, which have the bigger equipment and some soldiers carry smaller, handheld (?) radio's.
Or does this too much look like noise marines, Slaanesh stuff and heresy?
On the other hand: Does the Imperium have the technology to do this? (Sort of 40k version of a cd or somethign similar?)
If not possible, I think I will choose drums.
Your opinions please.

Plenty of regiments sing hymns or something when they go into battle (See Gaunts ghosts can't remember which book it is though)
I expect a fw of the more disorderly regiments play lud music to scare the freaking daylights out of any vaguely scarable enemy.

Completely plausible, as long as it pertains to war and their homeland...

Singing about lost love on a battlefield? Not something I'd recommend

Draglide12 wrote:The tyrandids are just everywhere. I'd like to see what happens when they hit Sol.

The hits the fan and all hell brakes loose

One thing though, Mars might quite possibly be a necron tomb world, which the Tyranids tend to take very large detours around. Just saying . . .

True. but the pull of the Astronomican (sp?) is probably pretty damn strong

Actually gravity is one of the strongest forces so far discovered in the universe, it causes galaxies to orbit clusters and clusters to orbit superclusters, so we are actually affected by the gravitational pull of something a billion billion billion lightyears away. Still sounds weak -.-?

Conservationist wrote:Actually gravity is one of the strongest forces so far discovered in the universe, it causes galaxies to orbit clusters and clusters to orbit superclusters, so we are actually affected by the gravitational pull of something a billion billion billion lightyears away. Still sounds weak -.-?

As far as i understand it-
Gravity doesn't stop. Even if it loses strength it still has a tiny minuscule effect.
Considering a magnet can hold a paperclip up even with the entirety of the earth pulling it down that means it is relatively weak when compared with other forces.
Although i may be wrong, physics isn't my thing, i do biology.

lets not debate further about this thing, this is more of a is it possible thread. anyways il say, every force has its own relativity, it can be both weak or strong depending on circumstances.

Conservationist wrote:lets not debate further about this thing, this is more of a is it possible thread. anyways il say, every force has its own relativity, it can be both weak or strong depending on circumstances.

Well yeah...
Anyway most of the things asked here are possible.
Thread has been pretty comprehensivly covered.

Gravity is the weakest of the fundemental forces. I can drop a 1 gram piece if Iron on the floor, and use a 0.5 gram magnet from Poundland to pick it up.Thus a tiny magnet's elecromagnetic force is able to overcome the gravitational pull of an entire planet!! It has ther longest range, but that has to do with the mass of the Graviton..

If you can pull yourself along with the gravitational force of a black hole, you could go near the speed of light. It really just comes down to quantity really.

Was that in this tread? Oh..Sorry...Yes, matter near the event horizon moves pretty darn fast, and yes it's down to the mass of the Black Hole destorting Space time and producing a huge amount of gravity...That said, in theory you could have a billion tonnes of feathers, you just need a lot.

Physics eh??

Son_Of _Deddog wrote:Was that in this tread? Oh..Sorry...Yes, matter near the event horizon moves pretty darn fast, and yes it's down to the mass of the Black Hole destorting Space time and producing a huge amount of gravity...That said, in theory you could have a billion tonnes of feathers, you just need a lot.

Physics eh??

I prefer biology...
Physics always messed with my head.

NO more gravity people!!!

Stay on topic!

Although the topic is done for the moment until the OP needs more questions too be answered

Irdiumstern wrote:One thing though, Mars might quite possibly be a necron tomb world, which the Tyranids tend to take very large detours around. Just saying . . .

The only detour the Tyanids have made that's been noted is around one system that is suspected to be the Outsiders Dyson Sphere.

Just a small side note: But does anyone read the stories I posted and if so, what do you think of it?

How about Necrons?
I mean: They harvest souls for their gods, but what happens when they attack humans?
Humans are said to have weak souls and are of no use for food then?

Yeh but there are lots of humans. Get enough souls and you have enough... soul food...

In order to hit that population number you wanted, you'd have to put 40 people where the most crowded worlds usually put one. I'd scale it back a little bit and draw more troops from a nearby hiveworld, especially because agri-worlds, needing a great deal of space to grow grops, would have relatively low population density.

How about a agri hive world?
That all the domes consist of layers and upon each layer a different crops is grown?

oldone wrote:Apart from the nercons (who already did it ) the tryanids are the mostly likely to get to the segentum solar.
Also if you want a planet to be huge you have the said problem of gavity but when did 40k have the fact in it?

Orks have already made it as well my friend. Armageddon is in the Segmentum Solar.

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I see no reason why Tyranids could not have made it to the Segmentum Solar, although I think you'd be stretching it if you created an entire Hive Fleet that was just on the outskirts that no-one had ever heard of, so as stated earlier on, using a splinter fleet of Leviathan would probably be your best bet.

An agri-world generally wouldn't have as many people as you wish to have, especially not one with as harsh living conditions as you have described. Others have suggested either scaling your population back, or recruiting from a nearby Hive World (Don't think this actually happens however, as that planet has to tithe it's own Imperial Guard), and I would recommend the same. Either that, or re-thinking your world, but I'm also one of those who is fond of the underground cow idea.

It's funny to see people like the underground Cow idea more then the whole planet.
How about a population of 20.000.000 (The half of what it used to be.)
I have the feeling that when I scale it back too much, I get a planet full of backwards idiots...

How many people can actually be abducted into the Imperial Guard without hurting the local population?

As for the Necrons: Humans are said to have weak souls, which vaporize/dissapear when they are killed.
So how are they going to harvest something that is gonna dissapear? You can't feed your gods something that isn't there?

And what happens to a ''soul'' in general when it is eaten?

VenerableBrotherPelinore wrote:
Orks have already made it as well my friend. Armageddon is in the Segmentum Solar.

Thats Because Orks are everywhere!

VenerableBrotherPelinore wrote:I see no reason why Tyranids could not have made it to the Segmentum Solar, although I think you'd be stretching it if you created an entire Hive Fleet that was just on the outskirts that no-one had ever heard of, so as stated earlier on, using a splinter fleet of Leviathan would probably be your best bet.

Actually, according to Codex Tyranids, Leviathan isn't the closest.

"Hive Fleets Scylla and Charybdis are carving parallel paths through the Segmentum Pacificus, the closest known Tyranid threat to Holy Terra".

DA's Forever wrote:

Thats Because Orks are everywhere!

They are indeed....blasted greenskins.

-Loki- wrote:

Actually, according to Codex Tyranids, Leviathan isn't the closest.

"Hive Fleets Scylla and Charybdis are carving parallel paths through the Segmentum Pacificus, the closest known Tyranid threat to Holy Terra".

Or those!

I'm yet to read heavy amounts of the new codex fluff, or even alot of the old codex fluff outside of the codexs for those I own.

Looking at a friends codex for 'nids now, and you are 100% correct, so using a splinter from one of those two fleets would instead be optimal, provided the OP places his planet in the correct place to do so (The Saim-hann Craftworld is also in the general area, so that may also be useful).

Cow cavalry vs. Genestealers

DING DING DING
FIGHT!!!

Maybe a dumb question, but!
Can Tyranids eat soulstones?
If a random Eldar dies on a world which is about to be overrun by Tyranids.
The soul stone falls between other stones.
Do the ripperswarms eat it or ignore it?

Probably eat it.

yeah most likely it'll be omnom'd

I think there was a thread on tyranids eating craftworlds, and the subject on soulstones popped up, you should look it up.

Oh... and space cows all the way!

Hey,

Can someone help me out?
For a story I am writing, as part of my fluff, there are often short poems or songs.
One night, they are sitting around the fire singing this song to keep morale.
It's to show the fatalism and the reality of what they feel.
Now I suck at poetry in Dutch, so it will even be worse in English.
The rythm is A-B-A-B followed by A-B-C-B And finishes with A-A-B-B.
(Not that it matters, just thought if you were wondering...)
I can even mention you in the credits if you want...

Don’t worry my friend
We will fight, we will stay
It’s not the end
There’s another day

Then I have no regrets
If this is the end
So stand up and get ready
For it’s the Emperor’s defend

So come again
We are not dead yet
We will make it
Stand up, no regret

And even if we die
We are not afraid
This place goes sky high
So ready up

Smile for me,
Remove all your tears
We go to battle together
Don’t give your fears

So swallow your fear
Cowards, dogs are here
This place will blow sky high
We are all about to die

My friend, stand up and fight with me this battle
Our enemy is mere like dumb cattle
One last time, then you can finally rest
We are the Emperor’s best

It's okay...
some of the lines don't make a lot of sense...

Like? Can you tell me which ones?

Segmentum Solar is a gigantic place, the Tyranids could easily have a sizeable force in the area and not be wiped out instantly. I'd reckon there's still unknown Human worlds in the Segmentum.

loner wrote:Like? Can you tell me which ones?

Don’t worry my friend
We will fight, we will stay
It’s not the end
There’s another day

Then I have no regrets
If this is the end
So stand up and get ready
For it’s the Emperor’s defend "The Emperor's defend" doesn't make any sense, maybe change it to "It's the Emperor's design"

So come again
We are not dead yet
We will make it
Stand up, no regret

And even if we die
We are not afraid
This place goes sky high
So ready up Doesn't fir the syllable pattern, maybe "So ready yourselves"

Smile for me, Maybe "So, smile for me"
Remove all your tears
We go to battle together
Don’t give your fears Should be "Don't give into your fears"

So swallow your fear
Cowards, dogs are here
This place will blow sky high
We are all about to die

My friend, stand up and fight with me this battle
Our enemy is mere like dumb cattle Wrong usage of mere, maybe change it to "Our enemies are like dumb cattle"
One last time, then you can finally rest
We are the Emperor’s best

That's my personal views...
The red bits are the bits i think should be changed. There should be solutions next to each highlight.


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Harriticus wrote:Segmentum Solar is a gigantic place, the Tyranids could easily have a sizeable force in the area and not be wiped out instantly. I'd reckon there's still unknown Human worlds in the Segmentum.

You're a touch late... though the idea of unexplored human worlds still present in Segmentum Solar is an interesting one.

Hmm... For a story I'm writing.
Let's say random person X has got no parents and only one brother. The brother is a cultist, found and executed.
Can this person, when showing loyalty to the Emperor, still join the guard?

Probably...
If his brother was publicly found ou then he might be executed but if his brother was killed in a raid or something then he would be able to join the guard.

Poetry's not my thing....

but it feels rather simple, I can't quite put my finger on it.

loner wrote:How about a agri hive world?
That all the domes consist of layers and upon each layer a different crops is grown?

Or there could be domes that are entirely devoted to raising crops and produce which supply tightly packed hive domes.

Emperors Faithful wrote:

loner wrote:How about a agri hive world?
That all the domes consist of layers and upon each layer a different crops is grown?

Or there could be domes that are entirely devoted to raising crops and produce which supply tightly packed hive domes.

Or everything is covered in plant matter; the trees, the buildings, the people. They simply harvest the things growing off the things, like Chia Pets.

blazinpsycho&typhooni wrote:Poetry's not my thing....

but it feels rather simple, I can't quite put my finger on it.

Hmm... Care to explain?
I also have got the feeling that somethign isn't right, but I cannot really explain...

Well it just doens't seem to fit the universe of epic grimdark...

I know i'm just nitpicking, but it's what I think.

There are normally two kinds of poems that are used. Children's poems that have morals, and unofficial national anthems.

Children's poems: Should be slightly creepy, so as to scare the audience (children) into following them by heart. Also a little vulgarity and slapstick would help.

An unofficial anthem: Should be patriotic, filled with deeds of honour. Overblown events depicting great battles, or legends, or great scenery (you'd be surprised who many involved rolling hills). Should contain little to no humour, unless humour is the main thing behind it. It's supposed to invoke national pride and courage and all those stuff

Anyways that's how I feel, anyone could probably prove me wrong, but that's how I feel it should be

If it's an unofficial song or a marching tune it should be a lot more garralous and bawdy. Of course, the Cadian 'Xenoshunter' Firebrands marching song was catchy, I thought. Can anyone recall it?

Emperors Faithful wrote:If it's an unofficial song or a marching tune it should be a lot more garralous and bawdy. Of course, the Cadian 'Xenoshunter' Firebrands marching song was catchy, I thought. Can anyone recall it?

Yeah! Garralous (whatever that means ) and bawdy would definitely be a good one.

And if the marching song was so catchy, why can't you recall it?
I've never actually heard it.

blazinpsycho&typhooni wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:If it's an unofficial song or a marching tune it should be a lot more garralous and bawdy. Of course, the Cadian 'Xenoshunter' Firebrands marching song was catchy, I thought. Can anyone recall it?

Yeah! Garralous (whatever that means ) and bawdy would definitely be a good one.

And if the marching song was so catchy, why can't you recall it?
I've never actually heard it.

*bapapabumbumbum* -tuneless whistling-
Xenos we slay something something save the day!
something something land(?) something something sand.
something something The Glorious Firebrands!

Yeah, there we go.

If I recall correctly that particular detachement which the White Dwarf focused on died to a man against the Necron threat, buying time for an inquisitor to make his getaway.

Short and catchy... very nice!
more of a taunting tune I think

Plus it's such a lovely way to die.
Like shaking your butt in their faces and saying "Hey xenos! @$%& you!!!"

Hey,

New question regarding my story.

If a regiment still is in training, is it possible that the commissars and priests participate in these training?

Can the commissars and priests be attached to a regiment for as long as the regiment survives? (Say the regiment goes through 3 campaign are new commissars added and the old ones replaced?)

How many regiments fit in a transport ship?

Is it possible that a Dark Eldar raid ''just'' kills 500 men instead of the entire ship?

What does it look like aboard a warship? (Gravity, food, entertainment?)

Can a regiment be trained during the voyage? (Think of cultural differences and such...)

More will follow...

Err.... 40M isn't a large number population for a planet! Hell, the UK population is larger than that, and we are a smallish country!

Also, you can have an agri-world that doesn't produce much in volume, for example, say under the ice, there is a small organism which has sci-fi like properties of nutrition, able to make fantastic meal pellets, or some such like!

This way, you could have an ice planet, with a large population (for mining/harvesting the organism/plant/enzyme), who still provides food as main export to Imperium, and so is broadly classed as an agri-world

loner wrote:Hey,

New question regarding my story.

If a regiment still is in training, is it possible that the commissars and priests participate in these training?

Can the commissars and priests be attached to a regiment for as long as the regiment survives? (Say the regiment goes through 3 campaign are new commissars added and the old ones replaced?)

How many regiments fit in a transport ship?

Is it possible that a Dark Eldar raid ''just'' kills 500 men instead of the entire ship?

What does it look like aboard a warship? (Gravity, food, entertainment?)

Can a regiment be trained during the voyage? (Think of cultural differences and such...)

More will follow...

Yes.
Yes.
Not sure, but many. Just add more transports as needed.
Yes.
It's pretty barren. Looks like most real life warships but more large open spaces.
Absolutely, That's what they usually do.

Sould read Gaunts Ghosts "The Founding" omnibus. Covers a lot of this.

PrometheusZero wrote:Err.... 40M isn't a large number population for a planet! Hell, the UK population is larger than that, and we are a smallish country!

Also, you can have an agri-world that doesn't produce much in volume, for example, say under the ice, there is a small organism which has sci-fi like properties of nutrition, able to make fantastic meal pellets, or some such like!

This way, you could have an ice planet, with a large population (for mining/harvesting the organism/plant/enzyme), who still provides food as main export to Imperium, and so is broadly classed as an agri-world

Looking back, I do agree that 40million isn't a large population for a planet but like stated before, it's an agriworld, the entire planet is basically rolling fields or something like that, minimal population for large food gain. I figure 40 million is probably a good sized population for an agri-world.

Considering Canada has roughly 33-32 mil, 1 person per square km, I think if the process of agriculture was mostly automated, I think it would work.

Agri-worlds are, as we say in my Dark Heresy game, "Planet Iowa". Lots of empty space given over to fairly low-tech farming concerns, with generally a single city of size to house the space-port facilities to get the crops off-world for use elsewhere in the Imperium.

That said, 40m people isn't a lot when you're talking about an Earth-sized planet (which has over 100 times that population). Still, most agri-worlds are fairly low-tech, using 20th century-era farming methods (tractors, threshers, piloted seeding machines, etc.) or, worse, a feudal level of technology with animal-pulled plows and hand-sown (and harvested!) fields. You could easily have an agri-world of rolling hills and fields of grain or grox with a population of 40 million, with a required tithe every 10 years of 10% of its population for the Munitorum, thus fielding a 4-million soldier-strong IG regiment.

Being an agri-world, like many agrarian societies on Earth, family size would tend to be large and, if you wanted to make the tithe a bit easier to bear on the planet as a whole, allow the planet to have co-ed IG units. Flak armor and las-guns are cheap, toss in a few native predators and your farmboys/farmgirls are already a handy shot and accustomed to hard work, long hours, and are probably a cut above the average hiver in physical build and capabilities (corn-fed, as the saying goes).

Or, cut the agri-world idea out of it and make it an Imperial World. Larger cities, with a mix of mining and industry surrounding these cities with agricultural concerns more remotely located in the hinterlands that produces food for the planet, with a smaller percentage dedicated to export/tithe requirements. Then, your IG regiments are a mix of miners, forge-workers, farmhands and urbanites.

Small side note: How common is possesion while travalling through the warp?
My regiment travels with around 10.000 soldiersthrough the warp and 9 get possesed and manage to kill 6 others. So 15 soldiers die.
Too low amount or too high?

I don't know much about that but I think with the Gellar field active I don't think any demonic possesions are possible. Perhaps if there was sabotage or a temporary failure that caused a demon to slip in unnoticed.

15 soldiers dying I don't think is too low as any incursion by demonic forces is a serious matter no matter how small. Comissars might have to execute a couple witnesses. Of course you could have the demon sneak around killing isolated individuals or maybe the navigator getting them trapped in the warp...

But then again this is your story... XD sorry for all that rambling!!!

Well you could always as i suggested have a lone mandrake slip in to kill you commander. And kill some others trying to get away, and then dissappearing into shadows

loner wrote:
Servo skullls, can they be used as beekeepers?

This is such a hilariously awesome idea that it's sigworthy.

Why not? I mean, my planet regards robots and servitors as different so I'm sure they can abuse servo-skulls.

loner wrote:Why not? I mean, my planet regards robots and servitors as different so I'm sure they can abuse servo-skulls.

I didn't see anything wrong with it. My perception of servo-skulls is that they're regarded as a sort of extreme honor conveyed on servants. Space Marines also tend to use them as personal adjucants, and Inquisitors have an almost spiritual link to them.

Using them for something as mundane as beekeeping is silly, but not inconsistent with the fluff.

Also, aren't robots frowned upon by the IoM? Or am I getting 40k confused with Dune again.

My mistake, robots are indeed frowned down upon.

Hey,

Just wondering, let's say a population rebelled against the Emperor and turned to Chaos.
However, when they are losing the war, they try to surrender.
Would they be spared/ be taken prisoner or will they be shot?

shot.

Shot, sir? Please. Burned.

The necessary purification would take years, and in most cases Exterminatus would simply be called outright after the traitorous population had been culled.

They could be "forgiven", forgiven as in the ROYAL forgiven....

Which involves penal colonies (if they're lucky), purging flames, or exterminatus

Owain wrote:Shot, sir? Please. Burned.

The necessary purification would take years, and in most cases Exterminatus would simply be called outright after the traitorous population had been culled.

No, there's no need to destroy a planet after everyone has been killed.

It's more like a civil war.
So the original population wouldn't like it if the Imperium destroyeed their planet when the loyalists are winning the war.
It's more to see what possibilities there are.
I can also change it to make it look like the heretics fought untill the died...

Hey,

Just wondering... Would a scorched earth-like tactic be effective against Tyranids fluff-wise?
Much like the Red army did in World war two or like Napoleon.

loner wrote:It's more like a civil war.
So the original population wouldn't like it if the Imperium destroyeed their planet when the loyalists are winning the war.
It's more to see what possibilities there are.

You should look up the Death Korps of Krieg. I'm pretty sure this is what happened to them.

Just wondering... Would a scorched earth-like tactic be effective against Tyranids fluff-wise?

I believe Kryptman did this against one of the Hive Fleets; force them to expend as much biomass as possible on taking a world, then Virus Bomb it, causing them to waste that biomass (rather than recovering it from the planet). It kind of works, but we're talking about something like dozens of sectors here, and even then it only slows them rather than stops them. Against a small splinter fleet it might be a bit more effective, but it doesn't really work on the planetary scale (i.e., you can't just burn resources while you're still on the world, you have to burn everything. And even then, do it so thoroughly that the Hive Ships can't reabsorb any of it.)

Another question:

The squigs, are they hunted by the Imperium as Xenos or regarded as ''normal'' animals.

Squigs are too closely associated with the Orks to be left untouched imho.

BTW, Batavirans?, Adrennians who excel at ditch digging? All on an Agri world?... Who do you think you are? Dutch?

Just don't grow tulips, I think most races would want to declare exterminatus just because... then again, maybe that's why the tyranids want your planet!

Tyranids love tulips...

Uhlan wrote:Squigs are too closely associated with the Orks to be left untouched imho.

BTW, Batavirans?, Adrennians who excel at ditch digging? All on an Agri world?... Who do you think you are? Dutch?

Just don't grow tulips, I think most races would want to declare exterminatus just because... then again, maybe that's why the tyranids want your planet!

Tyranids love tulips...

Ardennia (upon another planet) refers to Germany. The German people often come to our beaches, dig holes and then run away again...

And yes, I'm Dutch and there are a lot of references towards it.
Some are smaller then others.
For example cow cavalary ---> cows everywhere, Onux soup ---> Unox soup?
Geographical/Historical? Try the battle of Alkenmeer (Alkmaar) or Elysian droptroops in Arnheim. (Market Garden)

Actually I did't want to do tulips, but if you like it then we might just do it.

Does anyone have some info about the Blade of Infinity? It says something in the rulebook about it, but I cannot find any other information...

loner wrote:Another question:

The squigs, are they hunted by the Imperium as Xenos or regarded as ''normal'' animals.

Squigs are part of the Ork ecosytem, they release spores just like all ork creatures, so will if unchecked lead to ork infestation.

loner wrote:Hey,

Just wondering, let's say a population rebelled against the Emperor and turned to Chaos.
However, when they are losing the war, they try to surrender.
Would they be spared/ be taken prisoner or will they be shot?

They would all be executed, if the turn to chaos wasn't to bad or the planet was too important people would be shipped in from a hive world to repopulate.

loner wrote:Why not? I mean, my planet regards robots and servitors as different so I'm sure they can abuse servo-skulls.

Robots are a big no-no in the IoM, unnatural intelligence is illegal in the IoM.

loner wrote:Small side note: How common is possesion while travalling through the warp?
My regiment travels with around 10.000 soldiersthrough the warp and 9 get possesed and manage to kill 6 others. So 15 soldiers die.
Too low amount or too high?

As long as the Gellar Field is working there will be no possession, if it fails Everyone gets eaten (not possessed, actually eaten). The Gellar Field generators are designed to keep deamons out.