Ok so I got back from the store a few minutes ago, and thought you guys/gals would enjoy this awesome conversation I over heard in the line.
There were a small group of friends chatting in the line next to me about guns and the world ending, you know, the good stuff. So they get on the topic of what would they use to protect themselves from rioters/zombies/aliens, the usual end of the world peeps. And I kid you not this is what follows
Guy 1: Oh man you know Id take some kind of military grade sniper rifle for SURE!
Guy 2: yea thatd be awesome man, military stuff would just rock against zombies and stuff
Guy 1: I know right? But Id pick the sniper rifle because Im just a badass on (insert random call of duty game) with a sniper rifle
Guy 3: Its true, we were playing (again random game) and he was just dropping them left and right it was sick!
Guy 2: Well hell thatd be great then so youd be the sniper of the group obviously
OBVIOUSLY?!?!?!?!?!?! Since when is shooting a weapon in a game the same as shooting it in real life? I laughed. I laughed so hard they stopped the awesome conversation and just stared at me. I was crying folks. I told them good luck with that and gave them the ol for it, and paid for my milk.
I think in a real situation like the world just crashes down and goes all crazy, the shotgun would be the smartest weapon choice for defense. I mean, its VERY easy to use, easy to clean and packs one hell of a punch from mid range and closer. But wow, I just had to share that story
Funny. Would like to hear about those people in the army. I bet firing real weapons will come as a real shock to them. Unless guns are controlled by mice+keyboard now.
I heard a story about a local gun shop owner who was asked by a 20 something if they has any sniper rifles in stock.
The owner tells him the closest thing he has is a high powered hunting rifle (I know not the brand), so the 20 something says "yea I'll look at that one"
After examining it for a few minutes the 20 something asks how you adjust the zoom... owner shows him how to focus the scope.
20 something says in Halo the sniper rifle has several different zoom levels and again asks how you adjust the zoom level on the scope.
The owner tells the 20 something that he must be batcrazy and takes the gun back...
I would also have to vote for the 12 gauge, however a Russian manufactured AK-47 with a drum magazine would be welcome.
Grimtuff wrote:The irony of the title considering the correct word is "you're".
Wait wait wait..........you read this thread, read the words of what I said the guys were talking about, and your gripe is with the fact I used your instead of you're? Im going to guess the fact that your a Brit explains the reason behind that (no guns and fantastic punctuation that is)
agroszkiewicz wrote:Am I the only one that used to plan out which stores to break into to steal guns in the event of zombie/plague end of the world happening?
Pry Bar + 18.8v Handheld carbide cutter....then a trip to the Police Station. Assuming that the power is knocked out of course.
Seems just about the best way to get yourself killed. Try to steal guns. Preempt the apocalypse, have guns already.
Ma55ter_fett wrote:I heard a story about a local gun shop owner who was asked by a 20 something if they has any sniper rifles in stock.
The owner tells him the closest thing he has is a high powered hunting rifle (I know not the brand), so the 20 something says "yea I'll look at that one"
After examining it for a few minutes the 20 something asks how you adjust the zoom... owner shows him how to focus the scope.
20 something says in Halo the sniper rifle has several different zoom levels and again asks how you adjust the zoom level on the scope.
The owner tells the 20 something that he must be batcrazy and takes the gun back...
Hello,
Weapons of choice for this, Pancor Jackhammer, belted ammo, shock lock/ferret mix min 200 rnds. 9mm x 2 with around 200 rnds carring a brass catcher (for hand reloading). Revolver .357 due to great ability to get ammo, as well as simple maintence. Shefield machete, for the lopping duties although reblostered in the handle for strength, and changed to nylon instead of abs. Now, yes, they are that ignorant, often people will assume all former soldiers are gun happy, and LOVE shooters. This is rather incorrect, especially of those who have served in combat zones. I would love to have them lay in the red clay at Benning for 8 hours to get a real taste of what a sniper does.
Grimtuff wrote:The irony of the title considering the correct word is "you're".
Wait wait wait..........you read this thread, read the words of what I said the guys were talking about, and your gripe is with the fact I used your instead of you're? Im going to guess the fact that your a Brit explains the reason behind that (no guns and fantastic punctuation that is)
Not really, I saw it as ironic as well. the edited title is even worse...
Not a gripe, just an observation...
Yes, idiots in their own little overheard conversation can be stupid as well.
agroszkiewicz wrote:Am I the only one that used to plan out which stores to break into to steal guns in the event of zombie/plague end of the world happening?
Pry Bar + 18.8v Handheld carbide cutter....then a trip to the Police Station. Assuming that the power is knocked out of course.
Seems just about the best way to get yourself killed. Try to steal guns. Preempt the apocalypse, have guns already.
I'm assuming that 60+% of the population has already been zombified or turned into puke nasty Nurgle minions. Trust me, I'm the farthest thing from unimaginative.
agroszkiewicz wrote:Am I the only one that used to plan out which stores to break into to steal guns in the event of zombie/plague end of the world happening?
Pry Bar + 18.8v Handheld carbide cutter....then a trip to the Police Station. Assuming that the power is knocked out of course.
Seems just about the best way to get yourself killed. Try to steal guns. Preempt the apocalypse, have guns already.
I'm assuming that 60+% of the population has already been zombified or turned into puke nasty Nurgle minions. Trust me, I'm the farthest thing from unimaginative.
And you dont think maybe some of the 40% left are holed up where the guns are?
Dont try and steal guns. Be a gun shop owner. Then you are already there. Then take as much stock as you can with you. Set fire to the building (its better for you if other people dont have guns) and piss off somewhere far away. (do you own a lovely cabin in the woods?)
agroszkiewicz wrote:Am I the only one that used to plan out which stores to break into to steal guns in the event of zombie/plague end of the world happening?
Pry Bar + 18.8v Handheld carbide cutter....then a trip to the Police Station. Assuming that the power is knocked out of course.
Seems just about the best way to get yourself killed. Try to steal guns. Preempt the apocalypse, have guns already.
I'm assuming that 60+% of the population has already been zombified or turned into puke nasty Nurgle minions. Trust me, I'm the farthest thing from unimaginative.
Sailboats are the best bet. Assuming that Zombie's don't float...
agroszkiewicz wrote:Am I the only one that used to plan out which stores to break into to steal guns in the event of zombie/plague end of the world happening?
Pry Bar + 18.8v Handheld carbide cutter....then a trip to the Police Station. Assuming that the power is knocked out of course.
Seems just about the best way to get yourself killed. Try to steal guns. Preempt the apocalypse, have guns already.
I'm assuming that 60+% of the population has already been zombified or turned into puke nasty Nurgle minions. Trust me, I'm the farthest thing from unimaginative.
Sailboats are the best bet. Assuming that Zombie's don't float...
No, but they'll walk along the bottom of the ocean and come up the beach. Its not a bad idea, but when you run out of food you still have to deal with zombie chomp chomp. At least thats what happened in World War Z, the only marginally plausible Zombie Apocalypse book I've ever read.
agroszkiewicz wrote:Am I the only one that used to plan out which stores to break into to steal guns in the event of zombie/plague end of the world happening?
Pry Bar + 18.8v Handheld carbide cutter....then a trip to the Police Station. Assuming that the power is knocked out of course.
Seems just about the best way to get yourself killed. Try to steal guns. Preempt the apocalypse, have guns already.
I'm assuming that 60+% of the population has already been zombified or turned into puke nasty Nurgle minions. Trust me, I'm the farthest thing from unimaginative.
Sailboats are the best bet. Assuming that Zombie's don't float...
No, but they'll walk along the bottom of the ocean and come up the beach. Its not a bad idea, but when you run out of food you still have to deal with zombie chomp chomp. At least thats what happened in World War Z, the only marginally plausible Zombie Apocalypse book I've ever read.
Fish and rainwater. Burn the carcass, cook the meat over it. use a knife and flint. Done. I'm set, man,
ChaosGalvatron wrote:Funny. Would like to hear about those people in the army. I bet firing real weapons will come as a real shock to them. Unless guns are controlled by mice+keyboard now.
Oh yeah, I bet they would be. I've fired enough of them myself to know I wouldn't want any high powered weapon. Heck, even a shotgun would depend on which kind, as the recoil isn't something I'd want to deal with regularly.
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ChaosGalvatron wrote:Dont try and steal guns. Be a gun shop owner. Then you are already there. Then take as much stock as you can with you. Set fire to the building (its better for you if other people dont have guns) and piss off somewhere far away. (do you own a lovely cabin in the woods?)
Ew, cabin in the woods is one fo the worst places to be...
If you're afraid of recoil you deserve to be eaten by the undead.
Also, away from population centers is generally considered to be one of the better places to be in this sort of situation. Once the utilities get shut off you'll find cities and suburbia to be a pretty tough place to get by in.
ChaosGalvatron wrote:Funny. Would like to hear about those people in the army. I bet firing real weapons will come as a real shock to them. Unless guns are controlled by mice+keyboard now.
Oh yeah, I bet they would be. I've fired enough of them myself to know I wouldn't want any high powered weapon. Heck, even a shotgun would depend on which kind, as the recoil isn't something I'd want to deal with regularly.
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ChaosGalvatron wrote:Dont try and steal guns. Be a gun shop owner. Then you are already there. Then take as much stock as you can with you. Set fire to the building (its better for you if other people dont have guns) and piss off somewhere far away. (do you own a lovely cabin in the woods?)
Ew, cabin in the woods is one fo the worst places to be...
Well an island would be better. but how many people have one of them?
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Monster Rain wrote:Pfft.
If you're afraid of recoil you deserve to be eaten by the undead.
Thats kind of the OP's whole point. The bunch of geniuses are going to get a real surprise if they used actual guns.
As for the recoil, if you train with it you get used to it, and they make padded shoulder guards for those people who can not. I should note flaming weapons sound good until you have a flaming set of zombies chasing you, setting every thing in thier path on fire.
Ghiest1 wrote:As for the recoil, if you train with it you get used to it, and they make padded shoulder guards for those people who can not. I should note flaming weapons sound good until you have a flaming set of zombies chasing you, setting every thing in thier path on fire.
This. Its a proven fact, that zombies +fire = flaming zombies. Remeber they wont react to fire like humans. Catch me on fire and Im flailing and screaming and burning to death. A zombie with just keep lumbering towards you until its completely burned up.
Also their is more then just recoil to deal with IRL when firing a weapon.Specially one that can shoot as far as a rifle. Its not like a video game where you line you your crosshair and the bullet goes strait forever+ youve got to deal with bullet drop rate, the wind plays a huge part in where a bullet will land, how fast the target is moving, and so on and so on and so on. Thats why I laughed so hard. Sure they can play that when shooting a squirrel in a tree 50 yards away, why not. But anything more then say 100 yards and that "sniper rifle" will seem mighty inaccurate
i guess you can yctually quite get used to react apropriate to a recoil. the thing that non-gun-users tend to forget is while you aim--shot--- bullet flies you also have that nasty BAAAANG ... which will give the unexpected shooter friend a hell of a ringing in the ears and eventually have him getting chomped up by the rest of the undead party...
for me it was quite a thing to get used to, cause i don´t like sharp and loud noises. but to use wool or other things to protect the ears i would totally dismiss right away. to much of your combat sense rely on hearing...otherwise you swiftly get a nasty bite in the back...
Having not fired a firearm in many a long year and also as i'm not a gamer and have never played call of duty or anything of a similar vein, i'm going to just go out on a limb here and ask santa for the semi automatic combat shotgun I saw on youtube a while back, looks like a barrel of limbs....i mean laughs.... and as backup i'm seriously packing a razor sharp vietnam era machette! it's beautifully weighted and if the zombies get to close it's got a rather pleasing swing with a blade that's not too long as to be cumbersome! but i'm hoping the shotty will suffice!
Viktor von Domm wrote:i guess you can yctually quite get used to react apropriate to a recoil. the thing that non-gun-users tend to forget is while you aim--shot--- bullet flies you also have that nasty BAAAANG ... which will give the unexpected shooter friend a hell of a ringing in the ears and eventually have him getting chomped up by the rest of the undead party...
for me it was quite a thing to get used to, cause i don´t like sharp and loud noises. but to use wool or other things to protect the ears i would totally dismiss right away. to much of your combat sense rely on hearing...otherwise you swiftly get a nasty bite in the back...
which will do what? do they only filter the noise of the gun out or jsut genarally filtering? if the later then *shrugs* it wont help you if your eardrum is protected but your neck is hanging in threads...
I lol at people that base anything about firearms from a video game. I enjoy playing them, but I base all of my opinions off of either first hand experiences or reviews by writers in the gun community.
Clowns like these deserve this kind of lambasting. KingCracker is right about a bullet, there are far more variables to shooting than just "point and click"
Viktor von Domm wrote:which will do what? do they only filter the noise of the gun out or jsut genarally filtering? if the later then *shrugs* it wont help you if your eardrum is protected but your neck is hanging in threads...
vik
Electronic head gear filters loud decibel noises but has microphones installed so normal sounds are transferred through.
Besides, ear protection isnb't that good, you can still hear plenty. I've had phone conversations at the range with ear protection on.
"WHATTT!?!? YOU WANT ME TO PICK UP MILK ON THE WAY HOME?!?!"
Snuper rifles? Shotguns? Pah, if you want something killing, kill it with fire.
I know the whole "the only thing worse than a zombie chasing you is a zombie chasing you whilst on fire" thing, but fire is just far too cool to pass up.
FIRE FOR EVERYONE! *runs around with a zippo setting stuff on fire and laughing like a maniac*
(If fire isn't your cup of tea, then kill it with explosives; it's the closest you're gunna get to fire that also won't set zombies alight)
It also depends on the zombie type. If we're talking shufflers then I think melee is the way to go. No ammo problems or gun jams. But if they're the fast kind then a gun is probably better.
I mean this is what I'd do, having only used a bolt-action rifle like once and a pistol a few more times.
ShumaGorath wrote:I hate to tell you this, but zombies aren't real.
You need to learn to be grateful. If we didn't have experts in the science of zombies to put people like those in their place then who knows what kind of trouble we could be in now.
The reason why sniper rifles work so well in video games is that hardly any games implement realistic bullet physics.
The game engine just adds damage points to whatever is in front of the gun when you press the button. IRL obviously the bullet takes time to fly to the target who often moves away.
The second thing is that video games usually give you an instant kill for a head shot, compared to the other weapons just reducing hit points a bit. Obviously IRL most people shot anywhere with any proper bullet tend to give up the fight and seek cover.
There was a University of Rochester study which proved that playing first-person shooters makes you better at shooting real guns. I'll get you the .pdf of the journal article if you want.
Sure if youve never touched a gun before and played a video game first, youd at least get the basics about how it works. Theres still a HUGE difference when comparing being good at shooting people in a video game, versus shotting them in real life.
Especially when talking about shooting like a Sniper. I would put any amount of money that I have to my name that I don't care how good someone is at CoD they aren't going to be able to snipe a moving target from 500 meters away.
Monster Rain wrote:Especially when talking about shooting like a Sniper. I would put any amount of money that I have to my name that I don't care how good someone is at CoD they aren't going to be able to snipe a moving target from 500 meters away.
Thank you Id put mine on that line along with you. Hell even 250 yards would be pushing on the lucky shot line
Electronic head gear filters loud decibel noises but has microphones installed so normal sounds are transferred through.
Besides, ear protection isn't that good, you can still hear plenty. I've had phone conversations at the range with ear protection on.
"WHATTT!?!? YOU WANT ME TO PICK UP MILK ON THE WAY HOME?!?!"
may i ask how much that would cost me? sound like a very useful item.
as for the other mentiones of uses of fire and explosives heck even grenades, i wouldn´t use them. personaly i would always use shotguns. also you have a fine piece of metal and wood in your hand as a last resort. also i would mostly use buckshots as with zombies i want to be sure they´re put down for good. nothing says dead zomby like a wide spread of limbs all over the area. and the possability to hit multiple targets is nothing to be sneezed at in times of stress...
Viktor von Domm wrote:does a nagant have that much recoil? really?
vik
Not really, most people forget it was intended to be used by men wearing thick coats. Hence the smallish butt. Since it was Russian made, it was also never intended to have any decent ergonomic qualities either.
I'm confused, what practical purpose could that gun in the picture serve? Doesn't look stable enough to snipe, and the pistol grip looks like the recoil would throw you out of aim very badly due to kinetic force traveling through the handle into your wrist intead of through a stock into your shoulder.
I've only fired a gun about twice in my life, so this is purely laymans observation.
It has a lot of recoil, whether or not it hurts depends on the person firing it and what they're wearing. A nice heavy coat will protect you, T-shirts not so much.
Also an important thing to note is model of Nagant and accessories being used. My nagant is a 1891/30(common as hell and cheap) and has a nice flat metal butt plate.
I usually wear a nice heavy jacket when I fire it.
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agroszkiewicz wrote:I'm confused, what practical purpose could that gun in the picture serve? Doesn't look stable enough to snipe, and the pistol grip looks like the recoil would throw you out of aim very badly due to kinetic force traveling through the handle into your wrist intead of through a stock into your shoulder.
I've only fired a gun about twice in my life, so this is purely laymans observation.
Basically it was small enough to carry around, look at certain weapons and you can see who used them. Paratroopers usually used smaller guns, but still needed something with kick. The Mosin Nagant is about 4 feet long so jumping out of a plane or being stealthy with it isn't going to happen. The smaller version is more portable, it would suck as a sniper tool and it would suck as a pistol. It would succeed as a smaller version of a mainstream rifle.
Although, I truly hope that the weapon shown is fake at least for the sake of all the russians serving during WW2.
I take it them I'm one of the few who wouldn't go for a gun first? Granted it may have a lot to do with how they're not as widely available here (I can't even tell you the closest place i might buy one), but after numerous conversations with my friends I'd settle with a two single edged blades, preferably the blades would be wide extending the length of my forearm +1".
They'd have a couple of advantages namely every zombie within earshot aren't gonna come for me if I use one, and 2, I don't have to worry about bullets (I imagine these will start running low for the general surviver after the first month). The major downfall would of cause be the range, but at the distance where that starts becoming a major advantage I wouldn't be shooting anyway, chances are they haven't noticed me yet or I can get to a safe place before they reach me.
the sawed off nagant is for use only when you need damage power but concealed...i have played that guntype in a game and it even sucked there^^
not the standard nagant tho. would love to fire the real thing one day...
Viktor von Domm wrote:the sawed off nagant is for use only when you need damage power but concealed...i have played that guntype in a game and it even sucked there^^ not the standard nagant tho. would love to fire the real thing one day...
vik
If you're in Germany, dig around a bit you may be able to find one in the ground.
*Note: Not making fun of Germany, just making fun of the Mosin Nagant.
Although to tell the truth there may be a surplus bunker around there from the Cold War that could have some refurbished ones there.
If you're only stationed in Germany and are an american citizen then you should have a Nagant seeing as though most of them cost around $70. Mine was $100 after shipping and the gun transfer fee. It came with a nice ammo pouch, oil can, and bayonet.
i´m german from left to right^^ and your right too about digging for nagants^^ prbably around my hometown are quite good digging grounds. near berlin lots of last action battles were fought...and i guess a good one or even a really rusty crusty one would go for much more don´t you think? saw holed hemelts and stuff which made plenty of money...
Shadowbrand wrote:It's all about the two-handed axe guys. Melee is where the glory is.
It's also where the zombies are.
Not so much, if you're jumping into a horde then you probably deserve to die, same if you're making big loud shouts as you attack. But if you're picking them off or just need to get past one or two melee is the way to go.
As for a two-handed axe, I did give taking one some thought, though in the end I decided it would be to heavy and cumbersome for me. On the plus side good clean hit to the neck will sever it enough that, unlike some guns or my choice of blades, you don't have to worry if they've fallen because you did enough damage or if you've just knocked them down.
Pyro-Druid wrote:I take it them I'm one of the few who wouldn't go for a gun first? Granted it may have a lot to do with how they're not as widely available here (I can't even tell you the closest place i might buy one), but after numerous conversations with my friends I'd settle with a two single edged blades, preferably the blades would be wide extending the length of my forearm +1".
They'd have a couple of advantages namely every zombie within earshot aren't gonna come for me if I use one, and 2, I don't have to worry about bullets (I imagine these will start running low for the general surviver after the first month). The major downfall would of cause be the range, but at the distance where that starts becoming a major advantage I wouldn't be shooting anyway, chances are they haven't noticed me yet or I can get to a safe place before they reach me.
In the book World War Z, the whole number of zombies vs number of bullets thing is addressed pretty well. Basically these shovels that are sharpened on the edges are given to all the soldiers because its more cost effective than bullets when you are dealing with 3.5-4 billion zombies.
While in math class, I was talking with my friend Asma (she is a Muslim), and I kid you not, the new kid tried to join our conversation, asking "So can you speak Muslim?"
...
He was serious. Quite sad.
AND if for some reason you're think "why is that stupid?", the language is called Arabic, and take a wild guess at the region it is most commonly spoken in.
Seriously though, its the best zombie book I've ever read. Almost frightening in how realistic they take things....and its shamblers, not sprinters. No fast zombies here!
micahaphone wrote:While in math class, I was talking with my friend Asma (she is a Muslim), and I kid you not, the new kid tried to join our conversation, asking "So can you speak Muslim?"
...
He was serious. Quite sad.
AND if for some reason you're think "why is that stupid?", the language is called Arabic, and take a wild guess at the region it is most commonly spoken in.
micahaphone wrote:AND if for some reason you're think "why is that stupid?", the language is called Arabic, and take a wild guess at the region it is most commonly spoken in.
micahaphone wrote:AND if for some reason you're think "why is that stupid?", the language is called Arabic, and take a wild guess at the region it is most commonly spoken in.
Taxi cabs?
Awwww...
Also, its called English but guess where its commonly spoken? America, but we still call it English, although we should call it New English or Americanese.
Viktor von Domm wrote:i´m german from left to right^^ and your right too about digging for nagants^^ prbably around my hometown are quite good digging grounds. near berlin lots of last action battles were fought...and i guess a good one or even a really rusty crusty one would go for much more don´t you think? saw holed hemelts and stuff which made plenty of money...
vik
Hell, if you find a Kar 98 you could trade it in for 4 or 3 Nagants. Something about helmets with holes in them and high price tags. There's an antique store in Lexington that has a Vietnam era helmet with a hole almost dead center of the forhead that costs more than a similar helmet. I wouldn't want a helmet with a hole in it in my house though, that's an awful lot of bad luck to bring into a place where you live.
micahaphone wrote:AND if for some reason you're think "why is that stupid?", the language is called Arabic, and take a wild guess at the region it is most commonly spoken in.
Taxi cabs?
Maybe on the east coast, out here all the taxi drivers are Sikh and speak Hindi.
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Monster Rain wrote:
No...
Das Racist.
Please give me back the 1:02 I spent listening to that garbage before I turned it off. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH MY EARS!
Monster Rain wrote:Especially when talking about shooting like a Sniper. I would put any amount of money that I have to my name that I don't care how good someone is at CoD they aren't going to be able to snipe a moving target from 500 meters away.
Thank you Id put mine on that line along with you. Hell even 250 yards would be pushing on the lucky shot line
I did a few sums about that.
Assume the sniper rifle is shot at a target 250 metres away and its bullet velocity at 200 metres is 700 metres per second.
Assume the target is a man jogging or running at 16 kmh.
The bullet will take 0.35 seconds to reach the target.
During this interval, the target will have moved 1.5 metres, so the sniper needs to aim that far ahead as well as accounting for the ballistic arc.
Not easy.
However in video games there is no flight time or bullet drop.
Monster Rain wrote:Especially when talking about shooting like a Sniper. I would put any amount of money that I have to my name that I don't care how good someone is at CoD they aren't going to be able to snipe a moving target from 500 meters away.
Thank you Id put mine on that line along with you. Hell even 250 yards would be pushing on the lucky shot line
I did a few sums about that.
Assume the sniper rifle is shot at a target 250 metres away and its bullet velocity at 200 metres is 700 metres per second.
Assume the target is a man jogging or running at 16 kmh.
The bullet will take 0.35 seconds to reach the target.
During this interval, the target will have moved 1.5 metres, so the sniper needs to aim that far ahead as well as accounting for the ballistic arc.
Not easy.
However in video games there is no flight time or bullet drop.
Well yes... is that obvious. If the world's going to hell and doing anything other than holding up in a sealed room is risking your life, I for one am gonna enjoy every moment I have.
That being said, large chunks of the net will be down, so on the almost unthinkable chance that our knowledge of "Aim for the head!!!" doesn't win over some of the fairer sex (or the more plausible case of peoples skills not being up to par to keep other alive as well), I propose we establish meeting points to exchange and help preserve "pre-Zday data".
Electronic head gear filters loud decibel noises but has microphones installed so normal sounds are transferred through.
Besides, ear protection isn't that good, you can still hear plenty. I've had phone conversations at the range with ear protection on.
"WHATTT!?!? YOU WANT ME TO PICK UP MILK ON THE WAY HOME?!?!"
may i ask how much that would cost me? sound like a very useful item.
as for the other mentiones of uses of fire and explosives heck even grenades, i wouldn´t use them. personaly i would always use shotguns. also you have a fine piece of metal and wood in your hand as a last resort. also i would mostly use buckshots as with zombies i want to be sure they´re put down for good. nothing says dead zomby like a wide spread of limbs all over the area. and the possability to hit multiple targets is nothing to be sneezed at in times of stress...
Viktor von Domm wrote:does a nagant have that much recoil? really?
vik
Its an old joke about recoil.
M16 shooters: Whats recoil?
AK 47 shooters: The AK is a fine rifle who's recoil lets you know you've just shot a man's gun.
Nagant shooters: Recoil is no big deal. You just shoot the second shot from your left shoulder to snap the right should back into place.
Yea the local gun range/shop has a couple 500 magnums on display. Everytime I see them I cant help but laugh. One of them is almost the size of my leg. Ive never shot one, and honestly.....Id be a bit scared to
ChaosGalvatron wrote:Funny. Would like to hear about those people in the army. I bet firing real weapons will come as a real shock to them. Unless guns are controlled by mice+keyboard now.
KingCracker wrote:Yea the local gun range/shop has a couple 500 magnums on display. Everytime I see them I cant help but laugh. One of them is almost the size of my leg. Ive never shot one, and honestly.....Id be a bit scared to
They are the epitome of ridiculousness.
And the muzzle flash is GINORMOUS. Like a mammoth fireball of super doom.
Ghiest1 wrote:As for the recoil, if you train with it you get used to it, and they make padded shoulder guards for those people who can not. I should note flaming weapons sound good until you have a flaming set of zombies chasing you, setting every thing in thier path on fire.
This. Its a proven fact, that zombies +fire = flaming zombies. Remeber they wont react to fire like humans. Catch me on fire and Im flailing and screaming and burning to death. A zombie with just keep lumbering towards you until its completely burned up.
The problem with that is that a flamethrowers flames are hot enough to physically melt flesh and muscle completely in less than a minute if not put out by something. In fact, usually in a matter of seconds. This is against a healthy human mind you, you know, one who hasn't already lost half their flesh and muscle because, you know, they are still alive.
In the book World War Z, the whole number of zombies vs number of bullets thing is addressed pretty well. Basically these shovels that are sharpened on the edges are given to all the soldiers because its more cost effective than bullets when you are dealing with 3.5-4 billion zombies.
It sound slike you're talking about an E-tool (entrenchment tool). Basically a collapsible shovel, with one side having a serrated edge.
Maybe on the east coast, out here all the taxi drivers are Sikh and speak Hindi.
same story on the east coast.
I did a few sums about that.
Assume the sniper rifle is shot at a target 250 metres away and its bullet velocity at 200 metres is 700 metres per second.
Assume the target is a man jogging or running at 16 kmh.
The bullet will take 0.35 seconds to reach the target.
During this interval, the target will have moved 1.5 metres, so the sniper needs to aim that far ahead as well as accounting for the ballistic arc.
Not easy.
However in video games there is no flight time or bullet drop.
In Battlefield Bad Company 2 and Medal of Honor (2010) there most certainly is flight time and bullet drop. Especially in the MoH campaign, where the game simulates taking shots that have a 3-4 second flight time
Ghiest1 wrote:As for the recoil, if you train with it you get used to it, and they make padded shoulder guards for those people who can not. I should note flaming weapons sound good until you have a flaming set of zombies chasing you, setting every thing in thier path on fire.
This. Its a proven fact, that zombies +fire = flaming zombies. Remeber they wont react to fire like humans. Catch me on fire and Im flailing and screaming and burning to death. A zombie with just keep lumbering towards you until its completely burned up.
The problem with that is that a flamethrowers flames are hot enough to physically melt flesh and muscle completely in less than a minute if not put out by something. In fact, usually in a matter of seconds. This is against a healthy human mind you, you know, one who hasn't already lost half their flesh and muscle because, you know, they are still alive.
Go ahead and melt a zombie in less then a minute. Hell puff them so bad it takes less then 10 secs to melt......thats still around 10secs of a fire zombie trying to NOM NOM your brains and insides. The flame thrower argument is pretty moot. 10-60 seconds to have one die? Or just a loud bang, and its dead, you know, as in dead dead? Because they are dead?
looked into the link and i have to post that for all married ones to read:
They're rated 23 decibel noise reduction. Yes, you can still hear normal conversation. Just takes away those impulse blasts around guns, loud machinery, even tones down excessive loud yelling from your Mother-in-Law
now thats a very useful thing to add to my wish list...kind of essential in in-laws relationships...
and for the burning zombies thing i think only someone with a serious deathwish wants to use that on a walking corpse...seriously the point in shooting flames to living beings is to make them feel harm the hard way...there is no point in giving walking objects that feel no pain at all great pain. waht a zomby stops is impact and rendering cuts...so either cut limb from limb or shoot the frigging head of and if the caliber aloows a lot of its upper front to...
Don't zombies follow sensory input relentlessly? Why would you want something loud? You'll kill the 5-10 that are there, sure. And bring every other one within earshot.
well i wouldn´t want to really go into close combat with these fellas...so guns are the only option i can think of...and a byproduct is aways sound...of course running isn´t that loud...
but then again...
No way is a sniper rifle a good choice for a weapon in a zombie apocalypse scenario. You need to take out large swarms of zombies quickly, not take 10 seconds lining up a shot on a zombie so far away it will take him an hour to stumble over to you.
The best item for zombies isn't a weapon at all. The best item is a good full-body suit of chainmail. It may be heavy, but nothing is going to bite its way through. Then you can take as much time killing them as you want.
Also, here is my tip for zombies. They don't have the ability to regenerate damaged tissue. Just hole up somewhere with a slingshot and start taking dudes out. Make sure you have water, and laugh as zombies tear muscles pounding at your fortress door. Sip that water. Laughing at zombies whose arms are too messed up to lift anymore is gonna be awesome, and you may laugh yourself hoarse.
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Ghiest1 wrote:As for the recoil, if you train with it you get used to it, and they make padded shoulder guards for those people who can not. I should note flaming weapons sound good until you have a flaming set of zombies chasing you, setting every thing in thier path on fire.
This. Its a proven fact, that zombies +fire = flaming zombies. Remeber they wont react to fire like humans. Catch me on fire and Im flailing and screaming and burning to death. A zombie with just keep lumbering towards you until its completely burned up.
The problem with that is that a flamethrowers flames are hot enough to physically melt flesh and muscle completely in less than a minute if not put out by something. In fact, usually in a matter of seconds. This is against a healthy human mind you, you know, one who hasn't already lost half their flesh and muscle because, you know, they are still alive.
Go ahead and melt a zombie in less then a minute. Hell puff them so bad it takes less then 10 secs to melt......thats still around 10secs of a fire zombie trying to NOM NOM your brains and insides. The flame thrower argument is pretty moot. 10-60 seconds to have one die? Or just a loud bang, and its dead, you know, as in dead dead? Because they are dead?
I will, the zombie is rendered immobile after only a few seconds and left to roast in its own skin until its a pile of ash.
Doomthumbs wrote:
Grakmar: a shark suit is less encumbering, and it an elemental barrier as well. Survival!
Yeah, anything that's good enough to stop a bite works perfectly. Other than that, go for comfort and weight reduction.
And, don't forget to factor in that a zombie's muscles are decaying, and without functioning organs, it's muscles would barely have enough strength to do anything. I'm not even convinced a zombie bite could break skin.
Doomthumbs wrote:Also, here is my tip for zombies. They don't have the ability to regenerate damaged tissue. Just hole up somewhere with a slingshot and start taking dudes out. Make sure you have water, and laugh as zombies tear muscles pounding at your fortress door. Sip that water. Laughing at zombies whose arms are too messed up to lift anymore is gonna be awesome, and you may laugh yourself hoarse.
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Cool. I'd substitute the aforementioned rifle though. Sure it attracts everything within earshot. Thats the point. I'm lazy and don't want to half to get up to put them in my scope!
Doomthumbs wrote:Also, here is my tip for zombies. They don't have the ability to regenerate damaged tissue. Just hole up somewhere with a slingshot and start taking dudes out. Make sure you have water, and laugh as zombies tear muscles pounding at your fortress door. Sip that water. Laughing at zombies whose arms are too messed up to lift anymore is gonna be awesome, and you may laugh yourself hoarse.
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Pretty much this, climb up somewhere high, then lock the door/ kick away the ladder. (With a stockpile). Rely on wolves to eat all the zombies. No idea what to do about the wolves though.
And, don't forget to factor in that a zombie's muscles are decaying, and without functioning organs, it's muscles would barely have enough strength to do anything. I'm not even convinced a zombie bite could break skin.
i think in terms of beliving that something could actualy animate a dead person, either virus or magic... will give it the needed strenght to be a dire oponent... also dont forget ants! ants you ask? yeah small and not so hard all in all but since they attack en masse, they are a force to respect... and i wouldn´t want to hide. i think when your in a violent situation hiding will help you only so long. i think this would be so dreadful that the only working option would be fighting. as seen in so many movies lurkes get eaten eventualy...
Monster Rain wrote:Especially when talking about shooting like a Sniper. I would put any amount of money that I have to my name that I don't care how good someone is at CoD they aren't going to be able to snipe a moving target from 500 meters away.
Thank you Id put mine on that line along with you. Hell even 250 yards would be pushing on the lucky shot line
I did a few sums about that.
Assume the sniper rifle is shot at a target 250 metres away and its bullet velocity at 200 metres is 700 metres per second.
Assume the target is a man jogging or running at 16 kmh.
The bullet will take 0.35 seconds to reach the target.
During this interval, the target will have moved 1.5 metres, so the sniper needs to aim that far ahead as well as accounting for the ballistic arc.
Not easy.
However in video games there is no flight time or bullet drop.
I want you in my group when the zombies come KK.
+1
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Grakmar wrote:
Doomthumbs wrote:
Grakmar: a shark suit is less encumbering, and it an elemental barrier as well. Survival!
Yeah, anything that's good enough to stop a bite works perfectly. Other than that, go for comfort and weight reduction.
And, don't forget to factor in that a zombie's muscles are decaying, and without functioning organs, it's muscles would barely have enough strength to do anything. I'm not even convinced a zombie bite could break skin.
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Doomthumbs wrote:
Grakmar: a shark suit is less encumbering, and it an elemental barrier as well. Survival!
Yeah, anything that's good enough to stop a bite works perfectly. Other than that, go for comfort and weight reduction.
And, don't forget to factor in that a zombie's muscles are decaying, and without functioning organs, it's muscles would barely have enough strength to do anything. I'm not even convinced a zombie bite could break skin.
That may be true in the later stages but initially they'll be stronger then us simply because they wouldn't have the mental blocks preventing over use of their muscles.
Doomthumbs wrote:
Grakmar: a shark suit is less encumbering, and it an elemental barrier as well. Survival!
Yeah, anything that's good enough to stop a bite works perfectly. Other than that, go for comfort and weight reduction.
And, don't forget to factor in that a zombie's muscles are decaying, and without functioning organs, it's muscles would barely have enough strength to do anything. I'm not even convinced a zombie bite could break skin.
That may be true in the later stages but initially they'll be stronger then us simply because they wouldn't have the mental blocks preventing over use of their muscles.
Black Corsair wrote:Chainsaw for melee... and few fuel cans...
Chainsaw depends on how the becoming a zombie works. If it's a disease carried in the bloodstream, a chainsaw is a very bad idea. Just imagine the amount of splatter a chainsaw would create and you'll get the idea.
Black Corsair wrote:Chainsaw for melee... and few fuel cans...
Chainsaw depends on how the becoming a zombie works. If it's a disease carried in the bloodstream, a chainsaw is a very bad idea. Just imagine the amount of splatter a chainsaw would create and you'll get the idea.
Black Corsair wrote:Chainsaw for melee... and few fuel cans...
Chainsaw depends on how the becoming a zombie works. If it's a disease carried in the bloodstream, a chainsaw is a very bad idea. Just imagine the amount of splatter a chainsaw would create and you'll get the idea.
mmmph!! i didn't thought about that
ZOMBIE!!!!
See how fast and easy that was? Youve gotta think about everything man. Hell Ive even planned how to use the crapper and be safe
Black Corsair wrote:Chainsaw for melee... and few fuel cans...
Chainsaw depends on how the becoming a zombie works. If it's a disease carried in the bloodstream, a chainsaw is a very bad idea. Just imagine the amount of splatter a chainsaw would create and you'll get the idea.
mmmph!! i didn't thought about that
ZOMBIE!!!!
See how fast and easy that was? Youve gotta think about everything man. Hell Ive even planned how to use the crapper and be safe
SHOTGUN BLAST TO THE HEAD!!!
Phew! I think I got him before he bit me.
Wait... is this a tooth mark on my arm?
And, why do I suddenly have a craving for brains? Mmmm... tasty.... delicious.... braaaains.
hell people tend to forget the simple things of lif in those situations...please give a hint or to on the daily things to do, cause nothing is so useless and dangerous as a sidekick who hasn´t parted with his food aquired a fortnight before...
Black Corsair wrote:Chainsaw for melee... and few fuel cans...
Chainsaw depends on how the becoming a zombie works. If it's a disease carried in the bloodstream, a chainsaw is a very bad idea. Just imagine the amount of splatter a chainsaw would create and you'll get the idea.
mmmph!! i didn't thought about that
ZOMBIE!!!!
See how fast and easy that was? Youve gotta think about everything man. Hell Ive even planned how to use the crapper and be safe
please understand here's not so easy to own firearms!!! anyway, i'm good enough in sneaking and stealing to "adquire" some i just need to learn lockpicking
Doomthumbs wrote:
Grakmar: a shark suit is less encumbering, and it an elemental barrier as well. Survival!
Yeah, anything that's good enough to stop a bite works perfectly. Other than that, go for comfort and weight reduction.
And, don't forget to factor in that a zombie's muscles are decaying, and without functioning organs, it's muscles would barely have enough strength to do anything. I'm not even convinced a zombie bite could break skin.
That may be true in the later stages but initially they'll be stronger then us simply because they wouldn't have the mental blocks preventing over use of their muscles.
what mental blocks?
Under normal circumstances a person can't use 100% of their muscle power as this does result in some damage to the body. Because of this you subconsciously put limits in place so that you don't harm yourself. It's possible to get around them with training, drugs, or similar but normally you can't intentionally push your body that hard.
Double headed axe starts to sound mighty efficient when battling the limitless hordes of undead. Plus it keeps you in shape to bang your hot post apocalyptic broad.
Black Corsair wrote:Chainsaw for melee... and few fuel cans...
Chainsaw depends on how the becoming a zombie works. If it's a disease carried in the bloodstream, a chainsaw is a very bad idea. Just imagine the amount of splatter a chainsaw would create and you'll get the idea.
mmmph!! i didn't thought about that
ZOMBIE!!!!
See how fast and easy that was? Youve gotta think about everything man. Hell Ive even planned how to use the crapper and be safe
please understand here's not so easy to own firearms!!! anyway, i'm good enough in sneaking and stealing to "adquire" some i just need to learn lockpicking
Oh no worries mate. Im American, I just kind of ASSUME that no one outside of America has a firearm Sides, I was just ball busting. Its one of my fav past times.
my own personal zombie apocolipse survival plan is thus gather my usefull friends thogether gather any and all food supplies that are to hand and invade/sieze a mental health unit that I happen to work at (its already prepared with extra sercrity windows that don't allow acces through security doors security glass and food stocks the unfortunate thing is having to dispence with the more uncontrolable/useless members of the patient body. and sit it out fortunatly my friends are regular airsofters so know how to handle weapons (yes I know the difference between real firearms and airsoft replicas but at least they and I know how to load a real firearm and aim) and fortunatly my friend has a shotgun licence and regularly goes clay shooting so can be relied upon for being able to actualy shoot. apart from that my weapon of choice would have to be a rifle that fires 9mm ammo as it should be the most availible ammo and you have to think about lasting power in such cercumstances. If I lived in the US it wouldn't be such an issue because boxes of ammo are regularly left on the shelf at walmart.
mullet_steve wrote:my own personal zombie apocolipse survival plan is thus gather my usefull friends thogether gather any and all food supplies that are to hand and invade/sieze a mental health unit that I happen to work at (its already prepared with extra sercrity windows that don't allow acces through security doors security glass and food stocks the unfortunate thing is having to dispence with the more uncontrolable/useless members of the patient body. and sit it out fortunatly my friends are regular airsofters so know how to handle weapons (yes I know the difference between real firearms and airsoft replicas but at least they and I know how to load a real firearm and aim) and fortunatly my friend has a shotgun licence and regularly goes clay shooting so can be relied upon for being able to actualy shoot. apart from that my weapon of choice would have to be a rifle that fires 9mm ammo as it should be the most availible ammo and you have to think about lasting power in such cercumstances. If I lived in the US it wouldn't be such an issue because boxes of ammo are regularly left on the shelf at walmart.
I agree with part anyways. Hell I stopped for gas once, and I saw some ammo for sale at the gas station. It was a fun place,even had a mounted buffalo head on the wall behind the cashier!
I agree with part anyways. Hell I stopped for gas once, and I saw some ammo for sale at the gas station. It was a fun place,even had a mounted buffalo head on the wall behind the cashier!
so not commenting on my plan to let a bunch of impressonable folks with mental health problems fend for themselves,,, hey I figure that if it comes down to a zombie apocolipse its survival of the fittest and only those who have real world skills and have something to contribute are worth the effort of saving, a bunch of folks whore going to drain my resorces for very little payback arn't going to be on my save list
Black Corsair wrote:Chainsaw for melee... and few fuel cans...
Chainsaw depends on how the becoming a zombie works. If it's a disease carried in the bloodstream, a chainsaw is a very bad idea. Just imagine the amount of splatter a chainsaw would create and you'll get the idea.
mmmph!! i didn't thought about that
ZOMBIE!!!!
See how fast and easy that was? Youve gotta think about everything man. Hell Ive even planned how to use the crapper and be safe
please understand here's not so easy to own firearms!!! anyway, i'm good enough in sneaking and stealing to "adquire" some i just need to learn lockpicking
Oh no worries mate. Im American, I just kind of ASSUME that no one outside of America has a firearm Sides, I was just ball busting. Its one of my fav past times.
Ejemm ejem... Black Market ejem....a lot of this in Spain... you don't know what you can find in the right place with enough cash
Doomthumbs wrote:
Grakmar: a shark suit is less encumbering, and it an elemental barrier as well. Survival!
Yeah, anything that's good enough to stop a bite works perfectly. Other than that, go for comfort and weight reduction.
And, don't forget to factor in that a zombie's muscles are decaying, and without functioning organs, it's muscles would barely have enough strength to do anything. I'm not even convinced a zombie bite could break skin.
That may be true in the later stages but initially they'll be stronger then us simply because they wouldn't have the mental blocks preventing over use of their muscles.
what mental blocks?
Under normal circumstances a person can't use 100% of their muscle power as this does result in some damage to the body. Because of this you subconsciously put limits in place so that you don't harm yourself. It's possible to get around them with training, drugs, or similar but normally you can't intentionally push your body that hard.
mullet_steve wrote:I agree with part anyways. Hell I stopped for gas once, and I saw some ammo for sale at the gas station. It was a fun place,even had a mounted buffalo head on the wall behind the cashier!
so not commenting on my plan to let a bunch of impressonable folks with mental health problems fend for themselves,,, hey I figure that if it comes down to a zombie apocolipse its survival of the fittest and only those who have real world skills and have something to contribute are worth the effort of saving, a bunch of folks whore going to drain my resorces for very little payback arn't going to be on my save list
No really my only problem with that, was personally, my group (yesa group of us will have a cook out and discuss what the "plan" is) agrees that heading for any type of hospital strait from the start is a bad idea. Reason being, that hospitals have ALOT of bodies, which means a higher chance for infection. Thats it. I agree man, when the gak hits the fan, Im staying alive, and you suddenly become spit to me
I'm quite lucky in that regard that the site that I work at is mostly derelict old victorian mental institute and its soo of the beaten track its a fifteen minute walk to the nearest bus stop which is quite a distance in the UK so the number of bodies on site is probably way less than a single small village probably only 120-150 folks on a site thats quite a few achres not counting staff. and its in the country so lots of wild rabbits to hunt for food
for it, and paid for my milk.
crazy and takes the gun back...
the edited title is even worse...
