Yesterday, I posted the below thread. Due to the responses, I've decided to change directions, call this a Worklog, and create a splinter legion\offshoot. Lore is below, (still on the first page).

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Hello Dakka,

So, I'm starting a Iron Warriors force (because that's apparently the best way to resolve the 600+ points of unassembled ork\marine\necron stuff I have). Anyway, I have some questions on the schemes. This is a mingled fluff\painting question, but mostly painting, so putting it here.

1.) I'm planning on using a Daemon Prince as a HQ unit. Fluffwise, is this a problem? I read a passing comment from somewhere that the IW don't use summoned daemons, but this seems unlikely.

2.) How should I paint the armor of the above Daemon Prince? Skin, I can do anything, but there really isn't any place to easily include warning stripes on the daemon prince. How do I integrate him visually into my force?

3.) On the same note, what about my Khorne Berserkers? Do I paint them red, with an IW shoulderplate? Or do I paint them in IW colors, with red & brass helmets? I know I can do whatever seems right to me, but wondering how other people have done it.

4.) Finally, same exact questions as #1 - my battleforce included some posessed space marines. Do they belong with an IW force? Paintwise, I assume I'd just go with a normal IW scheme and then pervert it.

Thanks!

Ouze wrote:Hello Dakka,

So, I'm starting a Iron Warriors force (because that's apparently the best way to resolve the 600+ points of unassembled ork\marine\necron stuff I have). Anyway, I have some questions on the schemes. This is a mingled fluff\painting question, but mostly painting, so putting it here.

1.) I'm planning on using a Daemon Prince as a HQ unit. Fluffwise, is this a problem? I read a passing comment from somewhere that the IW don't use summoned daemons, but this seems unlikely.

I don't think it should be a problem. Iron Warriors don't tend to use Daemons much, if at all, but that doesn't mean to say your Iron Warriors can't. Just write a little Fluff about their connection to the Prince, so that, if anybody moans, you can show them, and shut them up. You're using Khorne Berzerkers, right? Well, just say one of the Berzerkers became a Daemon Prince. Job done.

2.) How should I paint the armor of the above Daemon Prince? Skin, I can do anything, but there really isn't any place to easily include warning stripes on the daemon prince. How do I integrate him visually into my force?

Tricky one, that. I'd say, just paint the Armour up in the same Silver as your IWs, and that should be enough. Other than that, I'm at a loss.

3.) On the same note, what about my Khorne Berserkers? Do I paint them red, with an IW shoulderplate? Or do I paint them in IW colors, with red & brass helmets? I know I can do whatever seems right to me, but wondering how other people have done it.

Whichever you think looks coolest. I'd go with Red and IW Shoulder Pads, I think. Do two test minis, one of each of the above suggestions, and post them on here; people can tell you which they prefer.

4.) Finally, same exact questions as #1 - my battleforce included some posessed space marines. Do they belong with an IW force? Paintwise, I assume I'd just go with a normal IW scheme and then pervert it.

Some of your Berzerkers succumbed to the lure of mutation. Easy.

Thanks!

1. Not a problem. I'm 50% sure perturabo is a daemon prince, so they obviously appreciate those blessed by the gods...

2. ....Silver skin is cliche...Maybe do a rusty silver? If you're using that new DP, don't even bother. The legs are awful and aren't very CSM at all.

3. I'd say red bodies and a single IW shoulder pad (Usually the left for CSM)....Make them look sort-of rusty if you can....Hazard stripes are nice if you can fit them on there.

4. Hmm, use them as chosen or something...Maybe raptors (I've bought 3 possessed kits for those winged packs)

Purple skin, silver armor for DP

Deamon prince all the way. (Or counts as in my Iron Warriors case). In fluff I read they use deamonic energy to power their guns and stuff. I could never pull off the modelling, but I always thought it would be cool to have some IW shoving deamons into a blender type device to charge up their weapons . hope to see some of your stuff up. If anyone gives you greif just say that your warband doesn't play by the strict IW book and have gone rogue..... because thats never happened in 40K.

I think that the Daemon Prince is al right, You should go for a Metallic basecoat, like Boltgun Metal, then use an extremely heavy wash of either purple or black. I would say try to put the warning stripes on his shoulder pads, and on his breastplate, as those would be the most likely place to put them. In the book Storm of Iron, there was an Iron Warriors Warsmith that turned into a Daemon Prince, so feel free to add one to your force.

I would suggest giving the Khorne Berserkers the same paintjob of the other IW in your army, just make sure to add some khorne symbols and drench them with a Red Wash. Again, in Storm of Iron, there was a group of Khorne Berserkers led by a captain, it talked about him cleaning the blood off of his armour every day, so as not to lose the fact that he was an IW.

Possessed marines should be given the same colours as any of your other IW, but try and replace some of the fleshy bits with mechanical parts, as IW love making newer, better machines.

If you go for the right armour/weapons on the new dp, there are plenty of pipes which can be painted as hazards while keeping the normal IW armour style going.

It was the only way I could get it to work on

http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/146634-Daemon%20Prince%2C%20Iron%20Warriors.html

I'm making a very gnarly IW army drawing on the theme of the Obliterator technovirus and the Cult's acquisition of archeo-tech. If you're interested check out the blog in my siggy.


Other than that, you can always borg em up a bit (the possessed and other non marine models) with some random cybernetic pieces. Also the GW DP kit has biomechanical bitz with plenty of tubes, metal trim, etc.


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Samus_aran115 wrote:
4. Hmm, use them as chosen or something...Maybe raptors (I've bought 3 possessed kits for those winged packs)

I could have built you a set of 6+ wingpacks for alot less than you paid for those kits. Look more interesting too.

This looks good (not by me)



hope it gives you ideas for where you want to go with yours.

Heres the gallery for it: http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/user/24683-Stbag.html

That does look good....looks downright fantastic actually!

Nice find, Bonegrinder.

I think the DP model would look good with some conversion along those lines to look more IWish, i.e. more bionic and mechy bits covering the fleshy bits.

re the Khorne berzerkers, I think it depend on your fluff - are they literally Khorne berzerkers somehow allied to your IW, or are they IW dedicated to close combat who have no particular allegiance to Khorne but simply use the berzerker rules? Either is perfectly fluffy - the latter would be more original, just remember to keep them visually different to the non-berzerker marines.

Popsicle wrote:Whichever you think looks coolest. I'd go with Red and IW Shoulder Pads, I think. Do two test minis, one of each of the above suggestions, and post them on here; people can tell you which they prefer.

I think that's exactly what I'm going to do.

Samus_aran115 wrote:I'd say red bodies and a single IW shoulder pad (Usually the left for CSM)....Make them look sort-of rusty if you can....Hazard stripes are nice if you can fit them on there.

This is what I'm leaning towards, but not sure if I can do hazard stripes well enough at that size. We'll see, though!

battle Brother Lucifer wrote:Purple skin, silver armor for DP

Silver armor, yes, purple skin - I dunno. That's a little too pimp for me. I'm 95% sure I'm going to go with traditional red for the skin.

Brotheralexos wrote:In the book Storm of Iron, there was an Iron Warriors Warsmith that turned into a Daemon Prince, so feel free to add one to your force.

Yeah, I read that too so surprised to read that IW usually eschew daemons.

Ifalna wrote:If you go for the right armour/weapons on the new dp, there are plenty of pipes which can be painted as hazards while keeping the normal IW armour style going.
It was the only way I could get it to work onl

That looks doable - I'll keep it in mind. As a side note, it was your Iron Warrior Terminator commission that made me fascinated with Iron Warriors, then I read Storm of Iron, and so now, here I am.

Bonegrinder wrote:This looks good (not by me)

hope it gives you ideas for where you want to go with yours.

As awesome as he is, I'm pretty sure Daemon Princes only have a single close combat weapon, and this guy is clearly wielding some sort of ranged weapon. Obviously you can do count-as, but that's not how i roll, as the kids say.

I'm also considering fabricating a big servo arm for him, as that would really give him the IW feel, but that would take the place of wings, and I think this is a situation where I'm going to have to go with function over form. We'll see though.

Thank you everyone for your suggestions. You've given me lots to think about.

Ouze wrote:Hello Dakka,

So, I'm starting a Iron Warriors force (because that's apparently the best way to resolve the 600+ points of unassembled ork\marine\necron stuff I have). Anyway, I have some questions on the schemes. This is a mingled fluff\painting question, but mostly painting, so putting it here.

1.) I'm planning on using a Daemon Prince as a HQ unit. Fluffwise, is this a problem? I read a passing comment from somewhere that the IW don't use summoned daemons, but this seems unlikely.

They don't use "Summoned" Daemons, persay. One of the cooler things about the Iron Warriors is that when they do Daemons(in the loosest sense) they're a blend of technology augmented by the occult forcibly bound into a machine shell. Think of the movie "Virus", but...well, weirder.

2.) How should I paint the armor of the above Daemon Prince? Skin, I can do anything, but there really isn't any place to easily include warning stripes on the daemon prince. How do I integrate him visually into my force?

I'd say you don't really need the warning stripes on him. It can look tacky on a Daemon Prince, if he's not wielding a bolter or something where it can be visibly integrated well.

3.) On the same note, what about my Khorne Berserkers? Do I paint them red, with an IW shoulderplate? Or do I paint them in IW colors, with red & brass helmets? I know I can do whatever seems right to me, but wondering how other people have done it.

Well, that depends on how you really want to do it. Do you want your Berzerkers to be from another warband/the World Eaters proper...or do you want them to be Iron Warriors who've gone a bit off the deep end and started to adorn themselves with sigils of Khorne?

If you're not completely sold on using the Berzerker models themselves...you can use CCWs+BPs combined with standard CSM bodies, bulk them up with a bit of "improvised" armor to make them look a bit like hardened siege breakers...and then show that they're Khornate worshipers with sigils painted on the steel armor.

4.) Finally, same exact questions as #1 - my battleforce included some posessed space marines. Do they belong with an IW force? Paintwise, I assume I'd just go with a normal IW scheme and then pervert it.

What do you mean by "pervert it"?

Ouze wrote:Hello Dakka,

So, I'm starting a Iron Warriors force (because that's apparently the best way to resolve the 600+ points of unassembled ork\marine\necron stuff I have). Anyway, I have some questions on the schemes. This is a mingled fluff\painting question, but mostly painting, so putting it here.

1.) I'm planning on using a Daemon Prince as a HQ unit. Fluffwise, is this a problem? I read a passing comment from somewhere that the IW don't use summoned daemons, but this seems unlikely.

2.) How should I paint the armor of the above Daemon Prince? Skin, I can do anything, but there really isn't any place to easily include warning stripes on the daemon prince. How do I integrate him visually into my force?

3.) On the same note, what about my Khorne Berserkers? Do I paint them red, with an IW shoulderplate? Or do I paint them in IW colors, with red & brass helmets? I know I can do whatever seems right to me, but wondering how other people have done it.

4.) Finally, same exact questions as #1 - my battleforce included some posessed space marines. Do they belong with an IW force? Paintwise, I assume I'd just go with a normal IW scheme and then pervert it.

Thanks!

1.) Their Primarch is a Daemon Prince, after the Iron Cage Incident, so I doubt they would have a problem with that. However they do not like mutation, and tend to hack off any limbs, so your DP should look suitably Mechanical.

2.) Use a normal skin tone, and have it blend into the mechanical parts. And feel free to paint some mechanical parts in flesh tones, to show how his body has now blurred the line between machine and man.

3.) Iron Warriors dont use berserkers fluff-wise, so if you want to remain fluffy, maybe paint them in another legion's colors (probably world eater) and just have them allied with the IW for the time being. That or make them into IW with cyborg implants (drug injectors, etc...)

4.) As mentioned before Iron Warriors dislike mutations, but they do use possessed, by harnessing their power into their weapons. I'd imagine they'd have weapons grafted onto extra limbs or have rockets built into their hooves or something along those lines.

If your wanting to mount a servo arm, you could always replace the tail with a mechandrite(spelling?), or servo arm there and keep the wings above. Fluff wise one of the older GW lists said that you could have 0-1 berserker squads I believe. You also see this in storm of Iron where one of the squads is on the verge of falling into a permanat berserker state and their leader becomes a deamon prince and goes through a portal to fight untold wars. As for skin tone, pick whatever you are comfortable with. I HATE painting flesh tones as I am not good at it. You could try a real dark black skin to almost mimic oil or grease.

Kanluwen wrote:They don't use "Summoned" Daemons, persay. One of the cooler things about the Iron Warriors is that when they do Daemons(in the loosest sense) they're a blend of technology augmented by the occult forcibly bound into a machine shell. Think of the movie "Virus", but...well, weirder.

I'm going to try and incorporate some biomech into him. The movie reference is good (and I actually Liked Virus, but I enjoyed the original comic too so it figures). I think, as Ifalna said, I can keep the hazard stripes and restrict them to the hoses... and possibly, to the Biomech.

Kanluwen wrote:Well, that depends on how you really want to do it. Do you want your Berzerkers to be from another warband/the World Eaters proper...or do you want them to be Iron Warriors who've gone a bit off the deep end and started to adorn themselves with sigils of Khorne?

I've been thinking about while I was filing and trimming the models tonight. I'm going to start writing my lore, and it makes sense for them to simply be World Eaters that are on assignment with the Iron Warriors.

Kanluwen wrote:What do you mean by "pervert it"?

(in regards to the Possessed space marines)
They'd have the armor painted like standard Iron Warriors and then blend in the demonic elements.

MechaEmperor7000 wrote: As mentioned before Iron Warriors dislike mutations, but they do use possessed, by harnessing their power into their weapons. I'd imagine they'd have weapons grafted onto extra limbs or have rockets built into their hooves or something along those lines.

The more I read from you guys and think about how I want more lore to work, the more I think the Possessed have no real place in my army. I'm thinking about swapping them in the swap shop for something more appropriate. But, I'll think more about them later - I want to get the rest done.

As my guys will be worshiping Chaos Undivided, I think allowing Daemons to possess and mutate them would be erring in showing too much worship to Tzeentch. That, and I'd have an impossible time smoothly blending in the mutations - I have a Nightbringer that I've been stuck on for like 2 months because I can't blend the cloth into the living metal.

Ouze wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:They don't use "Summoned" Daemons, persay. One of the cooler things about the Iron Warriors is that when they do Daemons(in the loosest sense) they're a blend of technology augmented by the occult forcibly bound into a machine shell. Think of the movie "Virus", but...well, weirder.

I'm going to try and incorporate some biomech into him. The movie reference is good (and I actually Liked Virus, but I enjoyed the original comic too so it figures). I think, as Ifalna said, I can keep the hazard stripes and restrict them to the hoses... and possibly, to the Biomech.

See, if it were me? I'd restrict the warning stripes on the hoses. Depending on how the biomech parts look, it could either be a resound success...or look like complete trash.

Kanluwen wrote:Well, that depends on how you really want to do it. Do you want your Berzerkers to be from another warband/the World Eaters proper...or do you want them to be Iron Warriors who've gone a bit off the deep end and started to adorn themselves with sigils of Khorne?

I've been thinking about while I was filing and trimming the models tonight. I'm going to start writing my lore, and it makes sense for them to simply be World Eaters that are on assignment with the Iron Warriors.

Remember: not all Berzerkers are World Eaters! There's plenty of warbands out there that have either resulted from the splintering of the World Eaters Legion, or they've just been founded afterwards. Vraks has some good ones in it. You can even go and create your own warband being led by a former World Eater who opted to strike out on his own. That's the fun of the Berzerkers. They're all nutters!

Kanluwen wrote:What do you mean by "pervert it"?

(in regards to the Possessed space marines)
They'd have the armor painted like standard Iron Warriors and then blend in the demonic elements.

Gotcha.

MechaEmperor7000 wrote: As mentioned before Iron Warriors dislike mutations, but they do use possessed, by harnessing their power into their weapons. I'd imagine they'd have weapons grafted onto extra limbs or have rockets built into their hooves or something along those lines.

The more I read from you guys and think about how I want more lore to work, the more I think the Possessed have no real place in my army. I'm thinking about swapping them in the swap shop for something more appropriate. But, I'll think more about them later - I want to get the rest done.

As my guys will be worshiping Chaos Undivided, I think allowing Daemons to possess and mutate them would be erring in showing too much worship to Tzeentch. That, and I'd have an impossible time smoothly blending in the mutations - I have a Nightbringer that I've been stuck on for like 2 months because I can't blend the cloth into the living metal.

Alternative: Don't paint them or the Daemon Prince the "standard" reddish flesh. Have them be a sickly flesh tone, then have them fluff-wise be attempts at bonding daemonic entities with vat-grown clones.

Techy AND freaky as hell to think about! Willing Daemonic possession and mutation aren't really an exclusive hallmark of Tzeentchian worship. Nurgle, Slaanesh, and even Khorne followers do that.

OK, I've asked for a mod to move this to P&M blogs, and I'll develop this from there. I've got a good idea and this has gone quite a ways from being a general P&M question into now more specifically developing an army.

The worshipper of any god invites possession, it's not a wholely Tzeentch thing. It's only Tzeentch if it causes extensive mutations. Reading up on some fluff, Berserkers probably will fit with Iron warriors, depending on how you use them. Iron Warriors are fierce fighters when the combat gets close, so that could be a special division of Warriors dedicated to holding the line. Otherwise though they are siegemasters. As for Daemons, Obliterators and Daemon Princes are probably the only things they'll use.

What I am doing for my IW possesed is not making them Iron warriors. My fluff is that they are a hybrid of Dark Angels and Orks(my friends two armies) that were injected with the obliterater virus. I also added chains to accent the fact that they were unwilling.

The Iron Warriors summon and use several daemons in the ultramirines omnibus.

Use hazard stripes on trim parts, but not as a primary.

Just paint them with IW colors. Nobody will care and they will look more coherent with the rest of the force.

So, I've decided to change my force from Iron Warriors to a homebrew legion called the IronKnights Marauders

I've got a logo, and the below lore. So far as models, I have a chaos battleforce, a set of terminators, a power armor lord, and a daemon prince - I'd imagine I should be able to tart them to at least 1000 points no sweat.

Type: Chaos Space Marines
Parent\Sponsor Legion: Iron Warriors
Symbol: Attached
Motto: Iron Will, Iron Fist

Here's my concept for my Iron Warriors spinoff . I haven't yet laid down any paint but they are, in nearly all fashions, the same as the Iron Warriors who make up the bulk of their numbers.

My guys are sort of like the Reasonable Marines. They want to save humanity. You're probably thinking they are the 40k equivalent of Drizzt, right? They're misunderstood good guys, yearning to throw off the shackles of their dark kin., right? ... not so much.

To the Iron Knights Marauders, there is no sin, no heresy, worse then inefficiency. The universe is a dangerous place. The astronomicon is fading. The xenos threaten from every corner. The rise of the Necrons and the Tyranids threaten the very continued existence of man. Who will ensure our survival? The Imperium? Please. Their countless worlds, stovepipe commands, and poor record-keeping are nearly as much of a threat as the Tau. They fiddle while Rome burns.

The fool, Abbadon? Hardly - he tosses away equipment and lives in pursuit of nothing worth having. He has brought only death and failure. To save humanity, it's necessary to rule with efficiency and ruthlessness. And who better then they to guide humanity towards utter and total domination of the universe?

My guys prize efficiency above all else. They worship Chaos as a pantheon, showing no special favor to any one god, for they all have their bonuses and weaknesses - how best other to harness them then by playing off which is the strongest? Some of you may have read a short story about Kharn, in which he has an ancient display in his helmet that tracks his kills. My guys would have something similar in nature, but not in function - they would track efficiency like the scene in Terminator 2, where he uses the minigun on the massed police. Of course, they're not trying to avoid fatalities, but rather waste - not a single bolter round pumped into body needlessly.

The Iron Knights Marauders have a code (a man's gotta have a code). Never for them the slaughter for slaughters sake, to taste the blood. Control is all. All those needless slaughters their colleagues are so enamored of just lead to angry populations starting insurgencies, and then they lead to costly and time-consuming population liquidations... No.

In the tradition of the Iron Warriors, before preparing a siege, they parley and offer the opponent a single chance to surrender whatever it is the Knights Marauders need. If they do so, not a shot is fired or a drop of blood spilled - not because they are weak or merciful, but because it's just good business. Sometimes it's just easier to negotiate. Their word is as iron and unbreakable as is their will and their armor . Of course, if their enemy does not surrender, they are slaughtered to the last man, woman, and child, because at that point, you have to send a message. Slaughter, but directed, efficient, purposeful slaughter.

Personnel: The Iron Knights Marauders have established a home world, name TBD, on the fringe of space, far out in the black. There, they have established a Sparta-like society (not in visual theme, though). Everyone fights. No weakness is permitted. The Iron Knights are equal opportunity employers, and their numbers include equal percentages of men and women, both as marines and cultists (no greenstuffed boobs, though). They also tend to attract zealots from loyalist marines and members of the cult of the machine god, who prize efficiency over faith.

The Iron Knights Marauders maintain close ties with their sponsor legion, the Iron Warriors, and most of their champions were previously Iron Warriors. They share a generally similar philosophy and visually are nearly identical. They also have a pact with the World Eaters legion - they provide Berserkers, and in return the Knights provide siege expertise.

For lesser engagements against xeno populations, they have been known to employ Death Skulls Ork mercenaries.

Much like their Iron Warrior brothers, they eschew the mutating powers of the warp. You don't save humanity by trading away your own, and to allow possession and mutation is to give undue worship unto Tzeentch. The Iron Knights need only their unbreakable will and unbending fortitude, not the fickle gifts of inattentive gods.

The only things I see that make no sense:
Iron Warriors never had Successor Foundings. Those were post-Heresy and Traitor Geneseed was locked away right at the outset of the Horus Heresy.

Now, if you were to say they were a splinter from the Iron Warriors...that would work. They feel that Perturabo's betrayed the Iron Warriors and their best interests, so they struck out on their own.

Have to agree with Kanluwen. I'd make more sense if the Iron Knights where a succesor to the Imperial Fist actually. I might be unfairly general here, but I belive that NO Iron Warrior want to save humanity, just look what the Imperium put em through during the great crusade.

Well, he's not trying to have them be "good guys" which Imperial Fist successors would be.

He wants, what amounts to, "we'll save humanity so we have someone left to rule over".

At least if I'm reading that right.

Ouze wrote: They worship Chaos as a pantheon, showing no special favor to any one god, for they all have their bonuses and weaknesses - how best other to harness them then by playing off which is the strongest?

Sounds like they will become furies then!

Kanluwen wrote:Well, he's not trying to have them be "good guys" which Imperial Fist successors would be.

He wants, what amounts to, "we'll save humanity so we have someone left to rule over".

At least if I'm reading that right.

Yes - they're concerned for the well being of their fellow man in the same way a farmer takes care of his chickens - it's property they need eggs from, and if anyone's going to fry them, it's him.

I'll update this to be more accurate, I'm not that familiar with the Horus Heresy.

Ouze wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Well, he's not trying to have them be "good guys" which Imperial Fist successors would be.

He wants, what amounts to, "we'll save humanity so we have someone left to rule over".

At least if I'm reading that right.

Yes - they're concerned for the well being of their fellow man in the same way a farmer takes care of his chickens - it's property they need eggs from. I'll update this to be more accurate, I'm not that familiar with the Horus Heresy.

That's why you're posting here, so we can pick on you for it!

Well, and fix it.

I would go with Splinter warband, rather than 'sucessor legion'

wolfshadow wrote:I would go with Splinter warband, rather than 'sucessor legion'

Yeah, you guys are right. I've updated the lore. I also have some pics of the Daemon Prince WIP I'll be adding to this thread (after I finish an SPSS install, at work)


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OK, I'm starting with the Daemon Prince. I've washed the marines and they're drying out before being rpimed - I'm going to try and do the marines in batches of 5.

I really did not like any of the present close combat weapons in the box for the Daemon Prince, so I scratchbuilt him one. This only took about half an hour, not counting procreate drying time. I'm not a talented sculpter, but I think i can pull off a simple skull easily enough.



Here is the prince himself:



I didn't particularly like the pose, either - I don't mind the left hand in the "bring it!" pose, but what's with the right arm? It's just kinda hanging there. I sanded down the joint and drilled a hole for a brass peg. My butchery was pretty bad, but his giant shoulderpads should cover it pretty good.

Here's a view of the peg:



And here is is, with the shoulder join patched in with procreate.



and the top view:



And here is a test pose:



That's how I'd like the axe to be positioned when finished. I'm still working on sculpting the replacement hand, which is harder then the little skull on the axe. I think I should be able to pull it off, and worse case scenario, will give up and just cut up one of the alternate hands included on the sprue.

You'll see I also cut his horns off and positioned them up; I'm not sure why more people don't do that. I hate how they look pointing down\sideways. It's unseemly.


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BlutEisenRegel wrote:Sounds like they will become furies then!

I didn't know what Furies were until you posted this. These are going to have to come into play, now. Perhaps winged bloodletters which count-as possessed SM.

Nice pose on that Daemon Prince!

Indeed. As an IK deamon prince, I would look at GSing him some armour plating just so he looks that much more of a badass. Good start. I like the direction your going with it.

I'm in the process of starting an Iron Hands sucessor chapter of loyalists. I have a few dev's, and a Captain,a nd 1 AOBR termie mostly painted so far.

Prince looks good, very much a classic "demonic" look. Personally I'd have given him a big ass gun, but your scratchbuilt axe is very nice looking!

No major updates yet. This is going to be a slow moving work.

Here is some minor stuff, though. I magnetized my Icon bearer's staff, but decided that might have general interest, so I posted it to P&M if you'd like to check it out.

I also finished filing down all the mold lines on my marines, and got them washed and dried, I primed them black today. My GWS Iron Warriors upgrade kit arrived today, along with the shoulderpads. Not sure if I'm going to use the shoulderpads or not yet; I ordered them before I decided to make it a custom chapter. On the other hand, the hassle of trying to ebay out the shoulderpads is not worth it, I think I'll use them anyway. As most of these guys were previously Iron Warriors anyway, and my lore shows them as still being very close in all ways, no reason they can't be vanilla Iron Warriors with my guys.

I primed the shoulderpads today in yellow. That was a mistake.



The only yellow spray can I could find at Lowe's was gloss. Turns out the gloss goes on much thicker then does the flat paint, it looks terribly dribbly on some of them despite how careful I was. Not sure this is insurmountable - the only ones are really bad are the ones with chaos stars on them. The ones that are mostly plain (on the left) are the only ones that really need to be primed yellow anyway, and those came out OK. The other ones, the detailed ones, went right into some simple green and remain there still. Better to use flat white and then handpaint yellow, apparently.

Limbo wrote:Nice pose on that Daemon Prince!

Couldn't agree more! But maybe it should be a bit more mechanic?

Love the fluff BTW!

OK, I've got the shoulderpads stripped.

I based them in white this time. Then gave them a really thin cover of golden yellow, then another layer. As it turns out, I'm not that good at freehanding hazard stripes.

This might be a problem for an Iron Warriors theme.

I had originally (and rather cleverly, I thought) got some 1/16" masking tape from Tamiya, having had good success with the 1/4" tape. Unfortunately, it's not quite the same. On the smaller scale, the tape is just too stiff (snicker) to bend to the curves I need it to. It also doesn't stick particularly well - it comes off really easy. Pretty disappointing.

Since the tape was out, I tried drawing stripes on and painting them in. This went so well they were all in simple green within an hour.

My third attempt (pictured) is somewhat better. I used a smaller brush and a lot more patience. Practice is helping some too. I hoped to, for the third attempt, to just draw them on completely, but my micron pens kept getting stuck after a pad or two. I tried clearing it by scribbling, but no joy. So, detail brush and I did better.


the ones where the stripes are going nearly straight up and down are my favorites

I've done lot of googling and still don't see a dead simple way of painting hazard stripes on curved objects simply.

On small shouldepads, I'd say there's no easy way, masking tape however works on terminator shoulders. Personllay, I just gave up on striping the small pads and put hazard stripes on the weapons instead, much easier

Hrm... possible tip for doing Hazard stripes. Get a black pigment micropen to freehand the lines, then either use a thicker micropen to color them in or use paint.

I seriously <3 my micropens. And they are cheap at about $2-4 each.

On the subject of shoulder pads, you should try a Lamenters army! Painting chequers on every single shoulder pad is a nightmare!

From experience, I would recommend the following (note: this is not how I do my chequers, but something I tried that I think would work for stripes) -

Do the whole pad in a light grey colour. On EVERY pad, paint a dot diagonally opposite the bottom front corner of the pad. Carefully, in dark grey (I just use a brush, but lots of people recommend micron pens), draw a straight line to connect them.

Draw another line, halving each half of the remainder of the pad. That will give you four areas to colour in. That should look about right, but you could halve again, and go for eight lines if you feel ambitious. I think that would be too many. Alternatively, you could go for six lines, but that might be hard to judge.

Colour in alternating areas with Bleached Bone, but leave the edges grey. Go over the whole thing in a couple of thin yellow coats.

Colour in the other areas with a dark grey up to the line, then with black over the top. Don't go to the very edges of the grey with the black.

Fifty wrote:On the subject of shoulder pads, you should try a Lamenters army! Painting chequers on every single shoulder pad is a nightmare!

From experience, I would recommend the following (note: this is not how I do my chequers, but something I tried that I think would work for stripes) -

Do the whole pad in a light grey colour. On EVERY pad, paint a dot diagonally opposite the bottom front corner of the pad. Carefully, in dark grey (I just use a brush, but lots of people recommend micron pens), draw a straight line to connect them.

Draw another line, halving each half of the remainder of the pad. That will give you four areas to colour in. That should look about right, but you could halve again, and go for eight lines if you feel ambitious. I think that would be too many. Alternatively, you could go for six lines, but that might be hard to judge.

Colour in alternating areas with Bleached Bone, but leave the edges grey. Go over the whole thing in a couple of thin yellow coats.

Colour in the other areas with a dark grey up to the line, then with black over the top. Don't go to the very edges of the grey with the black.

Hmm. I'm going to try this. Thanks.

Ok, here's a brief update.



The tape that I couldn't get to work for the shoulderpads DOES work great for the legs, turns out. I had much better luck with these. I used 1/16" tamiya tape, and a tool I use for random stuff - it has a scraper pick on one end and a thick needle on the other. The needle end was used to press the tape into creases. It helped to lick the needle before pressing, it seemed to soften the tape a little. If you're less disgusting then me, I suppose you can just dip it in water too.

I did a few styles of hazard stripes on the legs - a complete wraparound on the right of left leg. After doing 12 of those, I did 2 "sexy garters" up the upper legplate. The I was going to punk out on the rest as my fingers were already hurting pretty bad*, but decided to further risk carpal tunnel by doing the rest of the legs in a half-plate. Just like the whole leg wrap, only it went halfway across - from the center front stopping at the little centered arrow in the back. I have 19 bodies total due to the vagaries of my bitz box and various trades.

I wound up priming black, basecoating boltgun metal, and after doing the stripes, did a test wash in Gryphonne Sepia, Devlan Miracle, and Badab Black. Devlan Miracle looked the best (surprise!) so I went with that. Some of them look a tad "muddier" in this picture then they actually do, and some of them really are a little muddy and I'll be touching them up soon.

Now I have a pile of guns and arm and backpacks. I haven't decided what to do with the heads. I had enough torsos, but I only have like 8 or so heads. I'm also undecided on what to do with the left side shoulderpads. I have Iron Warriors pads from GWS, but I'm concerned they kinda look like crap now, and I rather suspect painting them won't improve them much. I regret buying them truth be told.

*my finger and wrist have been hurting a lot lately because in addition to working 50 hours a week for the last 3 weeks, I've been super busy with a research paper for school... hah, I'm so full of it. I did have to do the former, and certainly should be doing the latter, but in reality, a friend got me Mass Effect for Christmas and now I've got what could best be described as "FPS finger". How did I miss this game in 2007? Good times.

Looking good.

Excellent job on the hazard stripes.


For more heads, check out the Maxmini steam Knight heads.

http://www.maxmini.eu/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=12&products_id=60

O Snap. Those are nearly perfect. As a matter of fact, all but 1 really are perfect.

Those are some good looking IW!! Me likey long-time!

Wow, nice work on the stripes!!!

Maxim heads are really awesome, can heartly recommend them (here's them in action http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/168344-.html)
And no, the IW shoulderpad doesn't get much better when painted http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/168345-.html

Also, OMG those hazard stripes are so pretty!! Awesome work!!

Ok, here's a small update. Between work, school and the copies of Mass Effect 1 & 2 I got for Christmas, updates have been lagging. I finally gave these guys some love this weekend.

I have all the left arms done, all the right arms and bolters done, and the heads are primed. They've been washed, but I haven't yet done touchups.



I've tentatively got them in 2 squads of 10 each. Here's squad A. I see them as being my assaulting squad, if I don't have a more appropriate assaulter available. The special weapons are a plasma gun and a meltagun. The meltagun guy is magnetized so he can swap to a bolter, if I wind up making a larger squad of 20. I don't know where the Aspiring Champions helmet came from, as it came in a bits grab bag, but I freaking love it. I don't have any twin-linked bolters (do they even make them?) so I gave him a loyalist storm bolter off a rhino, as I have quite a few spares of those, also from the grab bag. It looks a little oversized, but so what.



And, squad B. A little less mobile, I gave these guys a heavy bolter and a lascannon. I know the lascannong gets a lot of flak, but it came with my Iron Warriors conversion pack, and I've gotta use it somewhere. Besides, I played a game last night where I did quite well with lascannons (albeit on a dreadnought). The heavy bolter, I'm kinda ehh on. I did a good job with the gargoyle head but I bungled the stripes on this one pretty bad. Not quite so bad I'm willing to strip it, but I'm considering it.

Looking very nice indeed.

I like the use of the Vehicle SB as a combibolter.

OK, I got a little more work done.

I did wind up ordering the Maxmini Steam Knight heads, but they haven't arrived yet. As they are coming from Poland, I'm neither surprised nor irked, I presumed it would take about a month. I've put aftermarket Iron Warrior heads on as placeholders and will take 10 of them off when the Steam Knight ones arrive... assuming they are in the right scale, and I don't change my mind at the last second. I am fickle like that.

I've got 20 semi-done. They still lack finished shoulderpads, as some of them are taking the third bath in simple green. It's like I hired Michael J Fox to paint my hazard stripes. I can't get straight lines to save my life. I wish I could tape the shoulders like I taped the legs, but the shoulderpads really don't seem to allow taping - it never fits the curve very well and peels at the ends. If I could find a more supple tape I think it would solve my problem.


Here are the troops I have so far. I originally had 19, but I scrouged around and found the parts to make 1 more. I decided to make the extra one into an Aspiring Champion - that way I can have 2 seperate squads of 10 marines each, or one big squad and use him as a counts as. I'm not sure how you guys usually play chaos lists, and although I own marines, I've only played as them once or twice- but it seems like 20 is usually adequate for that slot. My loyalists are for my friends to use when we play together.



Here are the two Aspiring Champions. I gave one a power fist and another a power sword, so I can pick which to use if they go as one big squad. I really love that helmet on the left. I bet it totally sucks to actually wear, though.

Go, my legions! Kill the loyalist scum directly in front of us! Charge!
My lord, there is a furioso dreadnought on either side of them. Is that wise? Do you not see them, again?
My Legions! It has come to my attention that you perhaps should not charge! Shoot them from here! Damn this narrow field of vision!

Awkward.


I magnetized this guys meltagun, so he also has a bolter if I do one giant squad. I have yet to, but will, repeat that process with the plasma gun guy.


For the other heavies, I went with a lascannon and a heavy bolter. I know the lascannon gets a lot of flak but I've had really good luck with them.

I'm considering shaving of entire side of the heavy bolter and replacing it with a custom styrene strip, which I can tape and hence get good straight lines on.


pew! pew! pew!


Here are the rest of the troops. I haven't actually painted any of the icons yet. For now, the banner counts as a perisope.

yet to do:

Finish the shoulderpads
Touch up all the marines - the wash really killed some of the fine details, an I plan to fix them before dullcoting.
finish all the "horn" helmets, as they have no detailing done yet.
Drill out the gunbarrels
finish the backpacks
Paint the base rims black
dust them off - you might notice a lot of them look sort of dusty. I've been doing a lot of dremel grinding in my work room so they really are quite dusty.
Dullcote

Then I'll move on to either the terminators, or the rhinos. I already have one rhino, and a second on the way. The Daemon Prince I still haven't decided on a theme for, yet.

First, love the pose on that prince- you made a meh model look pretty good!
Second, really like the heads on those Iron Warriors. The only criticism I have is that the chaos knight head on one of your aspiring champs looks out of scale.

You have some really nice work here. The only negative thing I have is the name: Iron Knights are a Loyalist Imperial Fist successors. I'm not sure an IW splinter faction would want to have that kind of association in their name.

chaos0xomega wrote:You have some really nice work here. The only negative thing I have is the name: Iron Knights are a Loyalist Imperial Fist successors. I'm not sure an IW splinter faction would want to have that kind of association in their name.

...dammit.

Iron Marauders, now thats a name I can get behind!

I sure hope this is the last thematic change, but they can't be running around with the same name as loyalists - it's unseemly.

The guy with the plasma gun has my current favorite GW head. So awsome.

Looking very good bro.

OK, I finally peeled myself away from my other projects to get some work done on this.



I got all 20 of the backpacks and alternate pads done. I have the maxmini steam knight heads, and have primed and basecoated them. Still need brass highlights and touchups.

Still to do: the hazard striped pads that need redone.

Models left: Defiler, 2x Rhinos, 5x Terminators, 1x Terminator Lord, 1x PA Lord, 1x Daemon Price... and maybe a land raider. I'm just hoping to get these guys done before my chibihawk arrives, which will immediately steal away all of my attention for at least a month, I suspect.

Ok, got some more work done.

Backpacks are done and on, heads are done and on, Chaos pads are done and on. The only things remaining are the hazard stripe pads, some touchups, and the icons for the icon bearer. Then I'll move on to either the DP or the Rhinos.

Here are some more WIP shots:



Here's squad A. My thought is that this will be the faster moving squad - for heavy weapons choices I'll go with the plasma gun and the melta, and the aspiring champion with the power fist. I accidentally switched the champion from the other squad in these pictures though.



Here's squad B. My thought is that this will be squad that squats on objectives - for heavy weapons choices I'll go with the heavy bolter and a lastcannon, and the aspiring champion with either a power sword or may no CC special weapon. (As before, I accidentally switched the champion from the other squad in these pictures though.)




Here are the models with the Maxmini Steam Knight heads. I was pleased with how they came out, scale-wise: they seemed a little tall when I was painting them but the fit, as you can see, is perfect.

OK, here's an update. I got these guys done 2 days ago, dullcote and all. Need only to drill the gun barrels.

I still didn't do that great a job with the hazard stripes, but truly, Devlan Mud covers a multitude of sins.





I need to work on a term paper for the next few days, but I already have a pair of rhinos for these guys. The rhinos will be done differently then my other, more ornate rhinos. I'm not going to bother with the insides, and will be gluing the hatches closed. I'll do a simple paintjob of just boltgun metal with hazard stripes on the doors, I think, and some icons over it. Nothing fancy; I'll save the good stuff for the better vehicles, like the defiler and land raider.

I also picked up a venerable dreadnought on Ebay today to convert to a chaos dread. The metal chaos dread seems intolerable to me, and I hate the horrendous looking spaghetti power flail it has. I'll probably go with either a chainfist, or sharpen the existing power fist into claws... something like that, unless you guys have a better idea.

A truly fantastic start, that army is to die for. A really stunning silver. Excellent painting, I'm a big fan of those shoulder pads to. Keep up this superb work, I'm going to try and follow this lovely thread.

Well, from that distance we can barely see any flaw with your hazard stripes... They'd rather qualify as "striking" to me!!
That defines the whole squads as well, btw...

I'm also fond of your SM force, there's a lot of great details on them...

OK, I have gotten some more stuff done on this, and I think this post is probably going to stand as a great example of why I can't ever get anything done in a timely fashion. project drift.

Rhino

I started a Rhino. Turns out that if you glue all the hatches closed, and don't fill it with LED's or tiny print or a billion purity seals, you can grind out a nearly finished rhino in like, 3 hours. Here's what I got so far before my ADD compelled me to look, that dog has a fluffy tail!



I'm planning on having that demon head thing be an automated gunner, as it's simply inefficient to have a marine drive AND gunning. I can't imagine my Iron Marauders, champion of efficiency, wouldn't improve on that paradigm.

Also, it's .75 less of a marine to paint.

After trying my hand at sculpting a cog for the logo, and failing abysmally, I just ordered some cogs of Amazon. They were like 2 for 75 cents, without shipping. I'm going to use these as a base and then add more sculpting to flesh it out, and then cast it to make door logos. Here are some pics of size references. Also, I've painted some dip onto the rhino to dirty it up some.



Cog logo

Maybe something like this?



Defiler

I primed the defiler, and fiddled with it some. I hated how the autocannon and power spaghetti noodles flail must be glued in place, so I made it so the mounts rotate\magnetized, respectively.



Needed a spindle for the autocannons.





The other side was much simpler. The magnet might require an upgrade (which I spell thusly, u-p-g-r-a-y-y-e-d) to a large one, depending on how the DCCW winds up. We'll see.

Dreadnought

Obviously, my guys need a dreadnought. The metal chunk of fail that is the current dread is out, obviously. I looked into getting an Iron Warriors dreadnought from Forgeworld, but a quick look at a calculator indicated I can't afford to spend that much on such an underwhelming model. Well, let me clarify; it's not a bad model, it's just not worth as much as they want. I instead ordered a venerable dread and will convert it. Was like $30 delivered, to boot!



Here's the close combat weapon:



The blades are made from Ork choppas, and shaved down some. The rest is obviously styrene. I'm considering just scratchbuilding the whole arm, as it looks kinda too big maybe. It's true that the current Chaos Dread already has a high-five hand that's about as large, but is the current model really what I'm going to go with as a target? I can do substantially better, I think\hope.

Army's coming along nicely, a thing that's been bothering me thought, it your heavy bolter. You should consider removing the muzzle on it and have just the daemon head, it looks kinda weird as it is.
I'm liking the mark idea for the warband, cogs always look awesome in warhammer 40k

Lastly, abit about tactics, it's a bad idea to take meltas and plasmas in the same squad, mainly cause you can't use em both and then assualt. Most chaos players usually take 2x assualt or 2x rapid fire weapons in a squad. I would advice against heavy weapons in a normal CSM squad too, seeing how they'll stop a unit of 10+ models just to fire. Only time I'd have heavy wepons in a regular marines squad is if I had a plasma in the same squad, and I knew they would sit on a objective. Still, you should consider making a havoc squad with your heavy weapons, 1: cause they're awesome 2; cause they're fluffy for IW

Limbo wrote:Army's coming along nicely, a thing that's been bothering me thought, it your heavy bolter. You should consider removing the muzzle on it and have just the daemon head, it looks kinda weird as it is.
I'm liking the mark idea for the warband, cogs always look awesome in warhammer 40k

Lastly, abit about tactics, it's a bad idea to take meltas and plasmas in the same squad, mainly cause you can't use em both and then assualt. Most chaos players usually take 2x assualt or 2x rapid fire weapons in a squad. I would advice against heavy weapons in a normal CSM squad too, seeing how they'll stop a unit of 10+ models just to fire. Only time I'd have heavy wepons in a regular marines squad is if I had a plasma in the same squad, and I knew they would sit on a objective. Still, you should consider making a havoc squad with your heavy weapons, 1: cause they're awesome 2; cause they're fluffy for IW

I might try that bit with the bolter. The stripes came out rather poor on it so I've been thinking about redoing it anyway.

Thanks for the tactical advice: I've never played once with CSM so have no idea about tactics for them. I haven't even read anything yet really. I have Devastators for loyalists, but they are super overpriced; is that not the case for CSM? Can't check codex now, at work.

I wouldn't paint my havocs differently, so I can always just rotate in more melta\bolter marines and then those heavy weapons guys can be the havocs.

Love your stuff, it's truly inspiring! Due to their rather monotonous paint scheme IW-armies can sometimes look somewhat boring, but your stuff is FAR from boring!! Cool details where they count, without overdoing it or making it too simple! Great modeling and painting!

OK, here is an update. Statistically speaking, looks it I'm about a month in between units and hence updates. Told you guys it would be slow!

I've gotten done 5x terminators and a Terminators Lord. I'm pretty pleased with them all around, generally speaking. Here is a picture dump:

Group shot


Group shot, with magnetized weapons:



I kept the weapons magnetized so I can swap around between them, and the Terminator Lord. The Lord can swap between a pair of lightning claws, or a bolter + powerfist, or a combi-melta, or whatever such combinations. Same for some of the terminators, though I don't have enough bits to have spares for all of them.

Here are the individual terminators.

One:



Two:



Three:



Four:



Five:



And, my WIP Chaos Lord in Terminator Armor:



I still haven't finished the touchups and some of the bling for the chaos lord (like his cloak, which is drying as we speak) but he's good enough to put on the tabletop, so here we are.

My next project will be finishing up the pair of rhinos. I haven't made much headway on that as they really need an icon to go forward, but I think the one I have now is almost ready. Still pending: Defiler, Daemon Prince, Dreadnought, PA Chaos lord, and possibly\likely a Land Raider.

Wow, someone finaly found a way to make iron warriors look good, the hazard stripes are great aswell, much better than some of the other attempts out there.

Absolutely awesome IW's, the brassy gold really works well. Grats!

It is, in fact, vallejo brass mixed with shining gold, highlighted with more shining gold. I washed it with brown ink but ehhh I'm still not so hot with gold yet.

Your Iron War... Marauders are definitely great...

I do have a minor concern about the Lord w/ L.Claws though. I don't know for sure what's troubling me, maybe the fact it looks too... simple?
That's bothering me indeed, for I had intended to build a similar Lord (Terminator + Claws), but I feel like he's missing something... Maybe with the cloak, it'd look better?

Looks great! I don't know if you've done anything else on the Dred's hand, but I think it'll look a lot more balanced if you extend the thumb as well


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Oh, also, I might go over the yellow stripes a couple more times to make them a little brighter?

Ouze wrote:OK, I finally peeled myself away from my other projects to get some work done on this.



I got all 20 of the backpacks and alternate pads done. I have the maxmini steam knight heads, and have primed and basecoated them. Still need brass highlights and touchups.

Still to do: the hazard striped pads that need redone.

Models left: Defiler, 2x Rhinos, 5x Terminators, 1x Terminator Lord, 1x PA Lord, 1x Daemon Price... and maybe a land raider. I'm just hoping to get these guys done before my chibihawk arrives, which will immediately steal away all of my attention for at least a month, I suspect.

Love the use of the thumbtacks as head holders. Great idea. Also, the shoulder pads look amazing. What colors did you use for them?

I really like these guys. Good work.

I'm liking your work here Nice conversion work and painting. I like the dread claw, and also the cogs. Keep it up!

Awesome work!! The dusty looking hazardsstripes look great, and I love how you painted the gold!
I agree with Yggdrasil about the lord thought, he's abit plain. I think he'd look much better with the cloak

Very nice start. I like how you have done dusty hazard stripes, as I don't like bright clean ones that too many people seem to do. Are you going to stick lots of Obliterators in since they are all machine like?

Malganess wrote:Love the use of the thumbtacks as head holders. Great idea. Also, the shoulder pads look amazing. What colors did you use for them?

Actually, in addition to the regular thumbtacks, some of them have rare earth magnets glue to the ends. There is a big metal strip near my desk at work, so for weird shaped pieces I can stick in a thumbtack and then stick them on the strip to dry without them falling over\getting knocked over.

Killmaimburnkillmaimburn wrote:Very nice start. I like how you have done dusty hazard stripes, as I don't like bright clean ones that too many people seem to do. Are you going to stick lots of Obliterators in since they are all machine like?

I did originally leave them in very bright yellow, but they looked too off too me. I decided to wash them with devlan mud to make them look more faded and muted, and was happier with the result.

So far as Obliterators go, not sure where I'm going with that. I certainly like the idea of Obliterators, and they unquestionably fit into my own theme, but I also find them to be some of the ugliest models GWS has in production now. If I do them, I'm going to have to convert something. Before that, though, I'm thinking Bloodletters converted with wings to be Furies: my guys are all about Chaos Undivided, so they'd worship Furies as holy, I think.

Ok, I got updates... and one of them is, imo, what the kids call epic win.

First, here is the terminator lord with his bling. That cape makes a big difference. Side note, that's the best job I've ever done on a cloak, ever - usually my flowing cloth is, well, terrible. This one is rather "acceptable" I think.





For the wolf fur part, I think I was supposed to dry brush it? I probably should have done that first. Anyway, by the time I got up to that I had already done the cloak, and it was already looking pretty good, so I would up picking out each tuft with a reaper eye brush... twice. First a overall job of scorched leather, then the aforementioned tuft-picking with codex grey, then again tuft picking with fortress grey. Not sure if I have the names of those last 2 right, as I get them confused, but the dark grey and then the tips were done in the lighter one.

Ok, so back to that winnage I had mentioned earlier. I really wanted to scratchbuild legs for my dreadnought that were like the ones in War of the Worlds.... I like the idea of tripod legs. Unfortunately, I couldn't figure out how to go about that in a way that I liked, so I decided to do the below instead. I actually really like how it worked out. The treads are from Curtis' Ramshackle games, and the rest is just the original venerable dreanought legs, chopped up a little. The rod is 1/8th.






I still need to clean up the treads a little, but my dremel tool battery died mid-job, so here's what I got so far. They're just blu-tacked on but I think you get the idea. Johny Five alive!

I really do like the idea of having a walker on tracks.

But, IMHO I think the frond end of the tracks need a little something, but I cannot put my finger on it, since the area in the front end of the tracks is mostly empty space.

WOW nice dread!

btemple0 wrote:I really do like the idea of having a walker on tracks.

But, IMHO I think the frond end of the tracks need a little something, but I cannot put my finger on it, since the area in the front end of the tracks is mostly empty space.

Yeah, it's not finished, but I have to go work. I'm going to put an armor plate or something there.

I like the tracks alot, maybe you could mount a flamer in the front.

OK, some more progress. Between school¹ and work², I've been pretty busy, but I did find some time today to whip this up.

The treads work, but they're not, you know, boss. I had really wanted a tripod walker like in War of the Worlds. So, I got some sculpey, some sandpaper, some procreate, and some styrene, and here's what I got.




and in a mold box:



Hoping the mold works out. I'm using Smooth-On Oomoo of dubious quality. It's very, very thick to begin with (you know the site says it's "low viscosity? hah!) and it's kinda old, so one of the parts has a thick pink skin on it. I tried adding some silicon rubber thinner made by a better company, and hope that works. I normally use Tap's platinum cure super low viscosity, which is, imo, the best silicon mold making stuff on the market, but I'm kinda low on both that and money, and I got lots of those Oomoo, and the parts aren't very fine anyway, so it should be ok, I hope. We'll know tommorow.


¹ Dragon Age 2
² Dragon Age 2

Looking really good! You have done a great job painting your Lord and the dreadnought looks really cool and Iron Warriors like.

Love the dreadnought, makes me think of quake II (thinking of the tank boss)! Would be cool to make a defiler with the same concept (in a far future when I have the time and money to build a IW army my defiler will have tracks )!

Came a little further with the legs. As it turns out, 3 segments is just too large for a dreadnought. If I were building a scratch defiler or some such it would work, but I wound up trimming them down to just 2 legs segments. I'm a little closer to my original concept, now, although I originally intended for them to be a little spindly with armor plates over them. Still, not too shabby. Still need to fill some pits and file them down but this is a decent approximation of what I had intended.



I need to shorten the wasit joint. I have a 1/8" rod running from the torso to the leg assembly, and that 1/4" tube is covering it. I have sort of a nut made of glue on the underside, and then carefully lifted it so it can torso-twist (something I never quite mastered in Mechwarrior!) I also did some work chao-sifying it up some more. I'm pretty happy with it now and think it's nearly ready to prime. I do want to add some spikes to it, but I want them to look like they belong, and not just randomly glued on as many chaos conversions do. Maybe I don't need the spikes at all, it hardly screams loyalist as is.

I really do like the treads, though. Since I'm sure I'll have another dreadnought (I like dreadnoughts) will save those for the next one.

Looks great, I like the whole tripod-idea (being a fan of half-life 2)! But I sure hope you save those treads for another dread 'cause they are just awesome!

Switching gears for a sec, here is the WIP so far on my defiler. I've got the bottom half done.



This is what I've been working on, in a really halfass way, while thinking about what I want to do with the dreadnought. I haven't primed the dreadnought because I'm not 100% sure where I'm going with it, though I'm leaning pretty strongly towards the legs.

The defiler is coming along not too badly. I refuse to work on it at home, and so it's a slow one, done only in my downtime at work. I'm probably going to abandon that principle this weekend, as I think I'm going to LED up the innards of this guy. I like the idea of a red glowing face behind the helmet, though I think thats the only LED I'm going to employ on this model.

Defilers looking great, and I think glowing red eyes would be a great idea! Is that the final look on the bottom? Wondering since it maybe alittle to much gold, althought I can't really say until the top half is on

Limbo wrote:Defilers looking great, and I think glowing red eyes would be a great idea! Is that the final look on the bottom? Wondering since it maybe alittle to much gold, althought I can't really say until the top half is on

I haven't painted the hoses and minor stuff like that, but it's a more or less final look, less. I agree it has a lot of brass on it, but my theme for my guys is dirty metal (boltgun) trimmed in brass (Vallejo brass for everything, 50/50 vallejo brass and gold for elites, gold for HQ). I'm disinclined to change my theme for this one model, as the trim is pretty distinctly demarcated on every piece of the armor. I think it's less that this model has a lot of brass, and more that defilers in general have a lot of trim, period.

On the defiler subject, I got some more done on that. I decided to go with an orange LED because I didn't have a bright enough red one or the patience to wait for one to be delivered it looked better. I went with one larger LED rather then specific eyes since I don't want to get into soldering SMD's.


Here is the mask off, and the light off. I put a "cover" over the sides of the LED made from a 1/8th styrene tube, and used a dremel to flatten the front of the LED, which had the side effect of making it look like a Geth.


Light on. Still a lot of bleed, hope to fix it with paint.


Here is the on-off switch (the bit with the notch in it). It fit very nicely there, imo.


Here is the wiring. The 2 shiny spots are magnets, which keep the back cover in place. I used a normal batter mount with the sides cut off so it would fit better. Normally I just put the battery loose in whatever cavity I can, but in this case, it fit in that spot so nearly when mounted upside down (that's what she said) I glued it in. I'll probably wrap the battery in painter tape to get some short insurance, though it really does fit like it was meant to go there.


And, with the light on, unpainted mask on. Brightness is just about right - not too dull, not overpowering.

No painting done tonight. Most distastefully, work is actually busy - the nerve.

Awesome stuff here! I hope you dont mind if i steal some of your Dreadnought ideas at some point .

Fans of your Iron Warriors +1

Iron Angel wrote:Awesome stuff here! I hope you dont mind if i steal some of your Dreadnought ideas at some point .

So long as you know I stole most of my ideas from someone more talented then I, have at it!

Thanks for the link , the more inspiration the better!

here's my attempt at an IW Daemon Prince. I can't see any reason why an IW army wouldn't use any big weapon thay had at their disposal. Also, you woudl think it woudl be up to the DP as to wether he stayed with the Company after he ascended or not.

if you're intested, here is a list of what i used:

I'm loving the LED defiler, easier than trying to paint light effects

Tri-pod dread is very cool too very unique. I hope you saved those trax and use them for something else.

Yeah, I actually got two sets of them from Ramshackle Games.

I am kinda concentrating on my orks now, but plan to get back to this thread after I finish my warbikers.

I did mess with my Daemon Prince the other day, though. I decided that he should probably have a gun after all, so I went with a punisher cannon meant for a valkyrie.

Looks sweet so far man!

Having been a Devotee before seeing the glory of the Waaaagh!!!! after the release of 5th ed Chaos Marines....
Here's a bit of my wisdom.


1 & 4. Iron Warriors do not utilize "Summoned Daemons". Daemon Princes and Possessed Marines are both corporeal entities, NOT "summoned daemons". And "Storm of Iron" by Graham McNeal is about the ascension of an Iron Warriors Daemon Prince, and if it's good enough for Graham, then it's more than okay with me.

2. I tried to make my Daemon prince look like his armor had become incorporated into his flesh, so i striped his flesh. No one complained.

3. Back then, you couldn't field Berserkers in an Iron Warrior force, soooo.... no comment.

I do like what you have done so far. 'Course, it does feel a bit Orky, which is never bad in my opinion!

I have a squad of berzerkers in my IW army and use in pretty much every game. As been pointed out before, there is an assault squad in Storm of iron that is borderline berzerkers.

i went with silver amrour and just used red on the Khorne shoulder pads and helmets. Looks alright actually.

Of course, your painting puts mine to shame so your 'zerkers woudl no doubt look as epic as the rest of your army!

Suddenly, a Wild Update Appears!!!

Yes, it's true. As I promised in June-ish, I'd post some updates after I finished my bikers. What I did not forsee was my hated co-worker would suddenly quit for a promising career as an assistant manager at Gamestop. While I'm gleeful he's gone, it left me holding the bag for a while. A bag that was full of overtime. So, I finally had some free time, and I decided to finish out my Defiler.

Some notes: I didn't realize until I saw these pics how dusty it was; I hadn't covered the bottom half and it's quite noticeable. I hadn't yet applied Dullcote, so I hit it with a can of compressed air and then did the dullcote. These pics are before that though. It looks less... furry now, but it's still wet and I'm too lazy to take these pictures again. I will when I decide to really redo these and make a proper army profile for these guys, which will probably be when the 6th Edition Legions book drops. Also, this is the last model until then, because these guys have always been my second string behind Necrons, and I'm going to be super busy with them for a while.

Enough lip flapping, here are some pics.



I wish I had done a better job of hiding the mold lines on the front, there.



Weapons are magnetized. I suspect my normal build will be TL Lascannons and a havoc launcher.



But here are my choices.



Now, some dusky shots:



With some of his little friends:



Personally, I'm not too sure how safe it is to walk so close in front of this thing.

I'm very pleased with the model. I've always liked it, since Dawn of War. I feel I did a decent job on it.

Awesome model and amazing paint job. i wish i coudl get my chevrons as tidy as yours (even using maskign tape they are never as nice as i want them to be).

From a games point of view, how come you went for the Lascannon/Havoc build which is (i believe) the most expensive one. Since it cant shoot anything else after the Battlecannon i always thought the optimum build was 4 DCCWs.

Chilling....that defiler is really beautiful. I was kinda iffy about all the gold first, but it turned out really well. He'll be great inspiration for me when I paint up my defiler

Praxiss wrote:From a games point of view, how come you went for the Lascannon/Havoc build which is (i believe) the most expensive one. Since it cant shoot anything else after the Battlecannon i always thought the optimum build was 4 DCCWs.

I haven't yet played a single game of 40K with CSM and only gave a quick glance through the codex, so I kinda just built what was the coolest looking. Looking at the rules for Ordnance weapons now, I see that was actually kind of a dumb thing to have done and I may have wasted some perfectly good lascannon bitz. It can't fire both of them, and there is really no situation where the lascannon is more useful then the battlecannon, right?

So, long story short, because I'm stupid. But since the weapons are magnetized, I think I should be able to fix that by adding some CCW's to it.

EDIT: ordered 2 more CCW's.

I run my defiler with Lascannon and close combat arm. I find the Lascannon comes in handy for a few reasons one its a better anti tank weapon for Land Raiders as you get to re-roll to hit. The second if you get a weapon destroyed they always pick the battle cannon leaving you another anti tank weapon to shoot back with.

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Forgot to say how nice the paint job is love the hazard stripes really well done, because of your rhino you inspired me to play with LEDs for my rhinos which I'm working on at the moment.

So, I had shelved this army some time back.

My nephew has decided he wanted to play 40k, after playing a great deal of Dawn of War. He decided he liked Imperial Guard. After further discussion, we decided on Traitor Guard, specifically; so that he could use my CSM units with his to pad out his forces while he develops his army. I'll build some renegades of my own to add to his. So I guess these guys are back in development. There will be a lot of house ruling since the Renegades lists I've seen are a little restrictive and I'd prefer to use the Valkyrie I bought on a whim when it was first released; as well as my Defiler.

Speaking of the Defiler, here it is with its final corrected build of 4 arms. The arms are on pegs so I can swap them out with other stuff, although smarter posters than I already explained why I don't want to in this thread, previously. It's unchanged from the previous images; the only things I've added are the 2 additional DCCW's, as well as about 6 months of dust since it's been sitting out finished since my last post. I kind of wished I had brushed it off before taking this picture now that I've seen it, I'll have to remember to do so when I consider this to be finished and do an actual army profile for these guys.



I also added some Khorne Berzerkers.



I think I did a good solid tabletop quality job. Unfortunately, I couldn't do too much better than that because I screwed up the priming. I primed them with Army Painter Dragon Red, and these were the first models I ever used that paint with. I went a little too heavy in some parts, and wound up making lemonade with what I had rather than strip them and start again from the beginning. It wasn't horrible per se and only some models were oversprayed but some finer details, like the heatsink area on the plasma pistols were a little obscured by excess paint. Speaking of, I used my airbrush to do a little spot of green glow. I also used an old toothbrush to do a splattered blood effect on the bases.

I also decided to max out plasma pistols with this squad. Although I don't usually use plasma pistols much, my feeling is that Khorne Berzerkers don't generally spend a lot of time worrying about how safe their equipment is.

I have a few more things that are either finished or just about finished that I'll upload pictures of here in the news few days. I'm just waiting for my traitor guard brass etch to show up, which will hopefully be soon, to add some finishing touches to them. I have a pair of Chimeras, a Leman Russ Executioner, an Armored Sentinel, and a Manticore. It turns out that when you don't spend all day dicking around with LED's and making hinged doors or carefully painted interiors you can bang these vehicles out in like a week from box to dullcote, who knew?