Currently being forced to sit through Twilight 3: Bella and Edward hold hands. This is the follow up to Twilight 2: Bella and Edward exchange longing looks which was of course the sequel to Twilight: Bella notices a hot guy at her school.
I could almost tolerate all the lovey dovey nonsense if the plot didn't move at a glacial pace. If I remember correctly, the second film saw Bella trying to decide between Edward and Jacob. As far as I can tell, she is still deciding. Honestly, this is a vampire film! Why is nobody having their throat torn out? The closest thing to an action scene so far was the Munsters chasing the ginger vampire through a wood. She got away. Narratively speaking, this renders the chase pointless.
One of my Mrs Flashman's friends has just phoned up and the film is now on pause. The TV is frozen on a shot of Bella and Edward hugging on the bed. If it wasn't for the pause icon in the top left hand corner of the screen, I don't think I would have noticed
Flashman wrote:Currently being forced to sit through Twilight 3: Bella and Edward hold hands. This is the follow up to Twilight 2: Bella and Edward exchange longing looks which was of course the sequel to Twilight: Bella notices a hot guy at her school.
I could almost tolerate all the lovey dovey nonsense if the plot didn't move at a glacial pace. If I remember correctly, the second film saw Bella trying to decide between Edward and Jacob. As far as I can tell, she is still deciding. Honestly, this is a vampire film! Why is nobody having their throat torn out? The closest thing to an action scene so far was the Munsters chasing the ginger vampire through a wood. She got away. Narratively speaking, this renders the chase pointless.
One of my Mrs Flashman's friends has just phoned up and the film is now on pause. The TV is frozen on a shot of Bella and Edward hugging on the bed. If it wasn't for the pause icon in the top left hand corner of the screen, I don't think I would have noticed
Its ok. I'm from Dakka. I'm here to help.
1. Get a hammer. Smash your toes with the hammer 7 times. That will take your mind off the pain.
2. Hobble to the video store. Rent American Werewolf in London. if you can't then watch this youtube cut over and over. You'll be fine.
Good lord, for the sake of keeping the little woman happy I sat through Eclipse Sunday night. feth me that movie sucked. Bella is the heroine? That indecisive, self absorbed witch is the heroine? Sparkle-pires and shirtless werewolves aside they both need to realize they can do much better instead of her jerking them both around just because she can. The movie ended and I just told my wife, "That chick's a bitch. They need to dump her ass." She just nodded.
Ooh, I think I get it. The blonde munster has just complained that time doesn't move forward when you're a vampire. You see, the films are a clever metaphor for time standing still.
I must concur with Dr. Frazzled. Twilight is not good for your mental health and prolonged exposure may cause you to believe Twilight is worthwhile entertainment. I second my associate's endorsement and would suggest you avoid any so -called vampire movies that involve angsty teenagers and/or pretty boy werewolves.
agroszkiewicz wrote:Vegetarian vampires that sparkle in the light and fall in love with high school girls.
My god the undead are terrifying these days.
Id say you hit that one on the head. Pretty much EVERYTHING in this "vampire" world annoys me. The only thing I find neat, is the fact that the werewolves look like dire wolves. Im annoyed at all the shirtless parts though. Really WTF is with all the shirtless parts? Im not by any stretch offended by homosexuals or anything of that nature, but Im not going to lie, all the shirtless guys get a bit uncomfortable after an hour of it
Also I get to sit and watch it here in the next hour or so
Saying "I'm a vegetarian because I don't drink human blood, I drink animal blood"
Is like me saying "I'm a vegetarian because I don't eat humans, I eat animals"
NO, THAT JUST MAKES YOU NOT A ING CANNIBAL!
Stupid series. When I first heard about a veggie vampire falling in love in a romance-action* I 'ed. Incessantly.
Ok, I may get flamed for this, but I have to say it anyway: The internet has blown this hole Twilight thing out of proportion.
Yeah, the writing is pretty poor. Yeah, the main character is a total Mary Sue. Yeah, the plot makes little to no sense. However, it does fulfill the fantasy of "I'm special and want super cool friends who are really aloof and macho, and they all want to date me at the same time."
But, you know what else has poor writing, characters whose lives are easier than we can dream of, terrible plots, and fantasy fulfillment?
I'll give you a hint: Change the female's ideal "I'm special and want super cool boy friends who are really dreamy and macho, and they all want to date me at the same time." to the male's "I'm special and want super hot girl friends who are really sexy and slutty, and they all want to me at the same time."
That's right. Twilight is just porn for women. If you have a problem with Twilight existing, then you loose all rights to watch porn. Don't watch it if you don't want to, but let's all get over the fact that this exists.
Grakmar wrote:Ok, I may get flamed for this, but I have to say it anyway...let's all get over the fact that this exists.
NO. every copy should be crucified, quartered, shredded, set on fire, stamped on, dunked in oil, set alight again, nuked, and the ground it was nuked on should be fired into the sun.
Grakmar wrote:Ok, I may get flamed for this, but I have to say it anyway: The internet has blown this hole Twilight thing out of proportion.
Yeah, the writing is pretty poor. Yeah, the main character is a total Mary Sue. Yeah, the plot makes little to no sense. However, it does fulfill the fantasy of "I'm special and want super cool friends who are really aloof and macho, and they all want to date me at the same time."
But, you know what else has poor writing, characters whose lives are easier than we can dream of, terrible plots, and fantasy fulfillment?
I'll give you a hint: Change the female's ideal "I'm special and want super cool boy friends who are really dreamy and macho, and they all want to date me at the same time." to the male's "I'm special and want super hot girl friends who are really sexy and slutty, and they all want to me at the same time."
That's right. Twilight is just porn for women. If you have a problem with Twilight existing, then you loose all rights to watch porn. Don't watch it if you don't want to, but let's all get over the fact that this exists.
No. Thats not right at all. My wife had porn for women at her bachelorette (sp? FFS my spell checker just wont spit it out lol) party. And they were not watching Twilight
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shrike wrote:
Grakmar wrote:Ok, I may get flamed for this, but I have to say it anyway...let's all get over the fact that this exists.
NO. every copy should be crucified, quartered, shredded, set on fire, stamped on, dunked in oil, set alight again, nuked, and the ground it was nuked on should be fired into the sun.
At current gas prices? Id settle for a good ol smashin
Grakmar wrote:Ok, I may get flamed for this, but I have to say it anyway: The internet has blown this hole Twilight thing out of proportion.
Yeah, the writing is pretty poor. Yeah, the main character is a total Mary Sue. Yeah, the plot makes little to no sense. However, it does fulfill the fantasy of "I'm special and want super cool friends who are really aloof and macho, and they all want to date me at the same time."
But, you know what else has poor writing, characters whose lives are easier than we can dream of, terrible plots, and fantasy fulfillment?
I'll give you a hint: Change the female's ideal "I'm special and want super cool boy friends who are really dreamy and macho, and they all want to date me at the same time." to the male's "I'm special and want super hot girl friends who are really sexy and slutty, and they all want to me at the same time."
That's right. Twilight is just porn for women. If you have a problem with Twilight existing, then you loose all rights to watch porn. Don't watch it if you don't want to, but let's all get over the fact that this exists.
The difference is there are people out there who say twilight has a really good story. I don't think anyone sees pron as anything but dolphin flogging fuel.
KingCracker wrote: Im not by any stretch offended by homosexuals or anything of that nature, but Im not going to lie, all the shirtless guys get a bit uncomfortable after an hour of it
I do agree, however I'll also point out that our women have been sitting through Megan Fox for a few years as we drag em to Transformers. I think its just the fact that the movies have NOTHING to do with vampiric history or are even loosely based on it (ala Underworld/Blade). Its just teenage soap opera thats attempting (very successfully) to cash in on the almost universal female sexual obsession with vampires and blood.
That's right. Twilight is just porn for women. If you have a problem with Twilight existing, then you loose all rights to watch porn. Don't watch it if you don't want to, but let's all get over the fact that this exists.
No, we lose all right to watch porn without women bitching about it. Which doesn't exist either.
KingCracker wrote:
No. Thats not right at all. My wife had porn for women at her bachelorette (sp? FFS my spell checker just wont spit it out lol) party. And they were not watching Twilight
She was watching porn for men. But, she probably wasn't "enjoying" it the same way we do. She was most likely laughing at it with her friends.
Just like with Twilight. You may sit there and laugh about how terrible it is, but that isn't enjoying the movie the way women do.
(Oh, and you totally spelled bachelorette correctly. Windows doesn't seem to think it's a word.)
KingCracker wrote: Im not by any stretch offended by homosexuals or anything of that nature, but Im not going to lie, all the shirtless guys get a bit uncomfortable after an hour of it
I do agree, however I'll also point out that our women have been sitting through Megan Fox for a few years as we drag em to Transformers. I think its just the fact that the movies have NOTHING to do with vampiric history or are even loosely based on it (ala Underworld/Blade). Its just teenage soap opera thats attempting (very successfully) to cash in on the almost universal female sexual obsession with vampires and blood.
Yea thats a rather good point. Itd be moot if my wife were Bi, but sadly she is not
I know Ive had to explain bits of why this movie is so far off from traditional vampire lore. God, seriously its so far off you could just make up something and say well they are called Jibbawitzes and presto no problems
KingCracker wrote:
I know Ive had to explain bits of why this movie is so far off from traditional vampire lore. God, seriously its so far off you could just make up something and say well they are called Jibbawitzes and presto no problems
That's 100% on target. There's no reason to call Twilight's creatures vampires. Although, it is fun to point out to Twilight fans that it means they've all sold their souls to the devil.
Grakmar wrote:Ok, I may get flamed for this, but I have to say it anyway: The internet has blown this hole Twilight thing out of proportion.
Yeah, the writing is pretty poor. Yeah, the main character is a total Mary Sue. Yeah, the plot makes little to no sense. However, it does fulfill the fantasy of "I'm special and want super cool friends who are really aloof and macho, and they all want to date me at the same time."
But, you know what else has poor writing, characters whose lives are easier than we can dream of, terrible plots, and fantasy fulfillment?
I'll give you a hint: Change the female's ideal "I'm special and want super cool boy friends who are really dreamy and macho, and they all want to date me at the same time." to the male's "I'm special and want super hot girl friends who are really sexy and slutty, and they all want to me at the same time."
That's right. Twilight is just porn for women. If you have a problem with Twilight existing, then you loose all rights to watch porn. Don't watch it if you don't want to, but let's all get over the fact that this exists.
It is quite funny to see males slagging off a really good money making venture just because some males (and, obviously some females) see it as some kind of pron. What total bollocks.
Harry Potter, Twilight, Lord of the Rings, Matrix, Bourne films etc, etc, ad infinitum et nauseum. There are hundreds of film sagas based upon books, all of them targeted at various audiences.
Just because the Twilight films leaves your beer belly open to ridicule does not mean it should never exist. This is an example of people's inadequacies being manifested into jealousy or impatience with something they don't understand. They are very clever films and whilst I was begging for her to throw herself over the cliff as I had enough of seeing her angst and pathetic meanderings over a love interest I could also see where people actually get the films and love them.
There are hundreds of films on offer which people rate as wonderful, Blade Runner, for example is hailed as a superb blah, blah, blah. I thought it was total crap. Doesn't mean it isn't great just means I don't like it.
Get over it, there are far better things to get passionate about rather than a film franchise you can choose to ignore if you wish.
My biggest problems with Twilight is just its crappy writing, full stop. I mean seriously....can Stepehnie Meyer use adjectives other than chagrin or 'Adonis'? More importantly could she spend some more time actually working with a plot rather than just describing how drop dead sexy Edward is every single freaking time he appears. Additionally, I hate Bella with a passion. She has no character, why? Because she exists for no other reason than to be someone the readers replace with themselves in order to live the fantasy. Bella has no character, and is a Mary Sue of the worst order. She has no redeeming characteristics, but everyone loves here and is willing to fight a war in order to save her. More importantly, can you see her arrogance? Her father bought a car off his crippled friend in the first book, and what's her response? To worry about the friend? To thank her dad? No, to whine and complain about how the car isn't perfect.
On top of all that, why in Terra's Holy Name does Meyer potray Edward as loving? He freaking broke her car to stop her from seeing her friends! He's a controlling little bastard in and of himself, and I'm stumped to understand why this is considered attractive at all.
Finally, as for Twilight being basically porn?
Stephenie Meyer said the idea for Twilight came to her in a dream. How much do you want to bet it was a wet dream and she decided to publish her night time fantasy? I swear that's what happened, and what's responsible for this whole crappy series.
To be honest, what annoys me the most about this whole thing is the fact that the fans are just...insane about it. To them its the greatest piece of literature ever. Hell, Stephenie Meyer has described her love story as one of the greatest love stories in history. I....I just don't know what to say.
I'm ending my rant now before I do something stupid. Like sending in the Adeptus Sororitas to purge her and her heresy from this world. Seriously, it is heresy. She's promoting the acceptance and love of mutants!
Bella doesn't really do much for me....she's not that good looking to be honest, and her personality is...annoying to say the least.
Alice at least is actually amusing at times. Seriously, the background characters SHOW Meyer is capable of creating well developed, interesting characters....she jsut chose to put them in the background instead of focusing on them.
God man....You're scary. I've never used the word cornhole in my life...Until now.
I don't mind them terribly. I take it for what it is, entertainment. No sense getting worked up about something that's meant to entertain those less intelligent than you
From a purely cinematographic view, the movie was impressive. Nice effects (except for that part where his skin was glowing. That was the only bad part ), nice angles. Good ambient noise. I liked it, in other words
Samus_aran115 wrote:
I don't mind them terribly. I take it for what it is, entertainment. No sense getting worked up about something that's meant to entertain those less intelligent than you
I view Twilight as EXTREMELY damaging to the perception of what "love" means to young girls these days. The relationships portrayed in the films are downright sick in their level of control, emotional extremes, and self injurious/dangerous behavior. They don't expound on the virtue of love or the mutual respect its supposed to bring, they just show two horribly immature people that just can't live with or without each other. Combined with the extremely blatant sexual overtones it makes for a pretty bad role model for girls (and guys) these days.
And anyone that says media has no effect on kids, I'll be happy to provide statistical data that supports my claim.
Samus_aran115 wrote:
I don't mind them terribly. I take it for what it is, entertainment. No sense getting worked up about something that's meant to entertain those less intelligent than you
I view Twilight as EXTREMELY damaging to the perception of what "love" means to young girls these days. The relationships portrayed in the films are downright sick in their level of control, emotional extremes, and self injurious/dangerous behavior. They don't expound on the virtue of love or the mutual respect its supposed to bring, they just show two horribly immature people that just can't live with or without each other. Combined with the extremely blatant sexual overtones it makes for a pretty bad role model for girls (and guys) these days.
And anyone that says media has no effect on kids, I'll be happy to provide statistical data that supports my claim.
Agreed. Let's ban anything and everything that can be interpreted as having a negative influence on children.
First up: violence.
Anything that portrays violence in a good light should be immediately banned. So, that's thousands of movies, books, tv shows, radio dramas, video games, and board/miniature games. Don't forget all the websites that promote any of these activities.
Grakmar wrote:
Agreed. Let's ban anything and everything that can be interpreted as having a negative influence on children.
First up: violence.
Anything that portrays violence in a good light should be immediately banned. So, that's thousands of movies, books, tv shows, radio dramas, video games, and board/miniature games. Don't forget all the websites that promote any of these activities.
So long, Dakka!
Of course its up to the parents to decide what and how they raise kids, but having an entertainment juggernaut aimed squarely at preteen and teen females that portrays genuinely sick relationships as "true love" isn't a good thing. I don't care about violence, thats a constant in life and kids will learn how to deal with it. I do care a lot about teaching our young ones how to have communicative and healthy relationships both with their peers and with their romantic partners. These movies damage that pretty deeply.
Well, you know what? If Twihards want to rave about how utterly magnificent and instaclassic their "saga" is, that's fine by me. I'll just tune them out with a dose of the original Predator. Now that's how you do scary woodland chase scenes.
Samus_aran115 wrote:From a purely cinematographic view, the movie was impressive
It is fine to like them, but don't go making things up now.
What most people seem to miss is that Bella is the villain. She pits people against each other and causes problems just to stay at the center of attention. All of the movies are about a narcissists manipulations of those around her.
While generally don't feel to much one way or the other about the rest of the cast, Kristen Stewart is awful, just flat out awful. She has the emotional range of a piece of wet cardboard. No matter the situation it is the same expression. The villain is an important, if not the most important, role in a story, and she just doesn't have the skill to pull it off. It also does not help that even with make-up it looks like her skull is trying to suck her eyeballs to the back of her head.
Sometimes, I think it isn't so much Kristen Stewart is a bad actor, so much as Bella is a bland character. I mean, there are some scenes where she shows emotion, and actually seems to be doing acting. However, as soon as you put her with Edward her personality falls to zero.
Not that it was very high to begin with, mind you.
ChrisWWII wrote:Sometimes, I think it isn't so much Kristen Stewart is a bad actor, so much as Bella is a bland character. I mean, there are some scenes where she shows emotion, and actually seems to be doing acting. However, as soon as you put her with Edward her personality falls to zero.
Not that it was very high to begin with, mind you.
She was great in 'the runaways'..She made a more than worthy Joan Jett, IMO
ChrisWWII wrote:Sometimes, I think it isn't so much Kristen Stewart is a bad actor, so much as Bella is a bland character. I mean, there are some scenes where she shows emotion, and actually seems to be doing acting. However, as soon as you put her with Edward her personality falls to zero.
Not that it was very high to begin with, mind you.
She was great in 'the runaways'..She made a more than worthy Joan Jett, IMO
No offense, but as a guy that loves my late 70's early 80's punk movement history this comment makes me feel the need to slap you upside the head. Purely a gut reaction thing, nothing personal.
It's Twighlight Vampires glow and sparkle in the sunlight amd teenage girls fall in love rather than have their throats torn out
I don't get what is going on either, but it is what Twighlight does. The Anti-Twilight setiment rises more than the living dead on this site If you are subjected to the movies/videos/books/calender/parephrenalia and sundry related gubbins; be a man and keep it to yourself.
That way there is less space dedicated to the hated on Dakka. Thank you kindly
Twilight - A bland, featureless girl is torn between necrophelia and bestiality.
wut?
Someone told me I should read the book (back before they were the latest craze) and I honestly couldn't make it past the first few pages. Clearly written for pre-teen females. I see nothing wrong with that. What I do think is wrong is the near religious fanaticism. Walk up to any fan of the series and say it was "mediocre, at best," and you'd think the Spanish inquisition was coming after you. That is what I think is most absurd.
As for my opinion on the quality of it all? Well, I've had more fun watching the paint on my mini's dry.
CrashUSAR wrote:Twilight - A bland, featureless girl is torn between necrophelia and bestiality.
As for my opinion on the quality of it all? Well, I've had more fun watching the paint on my mini's dry.
Congratulations sir, you've just gotten my "random forum quote of the day" award. This is now my status on facebook as a "random forum quote of the day".
Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Try walking into a GW store and saying the game is mediocre
But it is, as far as miniatures games go. The miniatures are nice though.
Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:or into any fan based event
So can one be a fan of something without being a zealot? There are things I like but i wouldn't call every one of them good just by virtue of me enjoying them. There is a difference between enjoying anime and being an otaku, for instance. Even in gaming circles there is a difference between someone who enjoys the game and the guy who doesn't wash and wants to argue every single rule every single time, writing odes to how much he loves Andy Chambers and how their love will never die.
If anyone wants a funny perspective/plot synapses of the entire series, look up "Blogging Twilight", by Dan Bergstein. A man's critical perspective of the entire series, chapter by chapter. I never knew that a series with so many plot holes could become a best seller.
I read somewhere (or I'm just now making up) that Twilight was written with Bella as bland so that the readers could associate with her better. Which isn't' a bold artistic choice as much as it's a craven attempt to give people what they want: the chance to feel like the center of attention.
Saying the writing is bad is like pointing out that the writing in Aqua Teen Hunger force is bad: neither is about telling a story. They're about filling a need.
The point I was trying to make, Ahtman, is that there are often groups of people who will get nuts in any aspect of life.
Twighlight being no exception.
And yes, there will be a majority of readers/filmgoers of the series that don't flip out.
It is constantly being criticised on this forum and I am not sure why it gets under the skin of people tbh
Some teenage girls like Sparkly vamp and/or werewolf more than unwashed gamergeek shock
The corollary is gamer prefers fantasy gaming marketed at teenage boys to fantasy fiction aimed at teenage girlies shock
ChrisWWII wrote:It doesn't make the nerdy part of me cry, it makes the reader side of me cry.
The ruining your nerdy vampire genre bit is just a bonus right?
I actually am not into vampires at all....never really was. I don't care about Stephenie Meyer screwing up the vampire mythos. They're ficitional creatures and she has just as much right to give her interpretation of them as anyone else. Do I like her interpretation? No, but that's not my bone of contention with her.
My problems and source of complaint with Twilight are its: a) horrible writing, b) blatant Mary Sue-ism, c) boring, bland characters that exist solely for the purposes of self insertion, and d) attempts to praise it as a great novel, when it really is not deserving of such a title.
That is why I hate Twilight with a passion. Not any attack on the vampire genre.....
ChrisWWII wrote:It doesn't make the nerdy part of me cry, it makes the reader side of me cry.
The ruining your nerdy vampire genre bit is just a bonus right?
I actually am not into vampires at all....never really was. I don't care about Stephenie Meyer screwing up the vampire mythos. They're ficitional creatures and she has just as much right to give her interpretation of them as anyone else.
No, my problems and source of complaint with Twilight are its: a) horrible writing, b) blatant Mary Sue-ism, c) boring, bland characters that exist solely for the purposes of self insertion, and d) attempts to praise it as a great novel, when it really is not deserving of such a title.
That is why I hate Twilight with a passion. Not any attack on the vampire genre.....
ARRRRRRGH TWILIGHT MUST DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There are tousands of bette books! (In fact, pretty much ALL books are better than Twilight. Even the Halo books are way better. In almost every way, from plot, to actual well written ness.)
Also, wasn't there like 8 pages in one of the books that were blank to describe how Bella felt without Edward? Think of all of the trees that had to die because Stephanie Meyer lacked the descriptive ability to, uh, DESCRIBE!
GalacticDefender wrote:
Also, wasn't there like 8 pages in one of the books that were blank to describe how Bella felt without Edward? Think of all of the trees that had to die because Stephanie Meyer lacked the descriptive ability to, uh, DESCRIBE!
Please tell me this isn't true. Seriously...please?
I found it really bland. It just didn't appeal to me in the slightest, and I would be hard pressed to describe a movie more dull. That's not to say that I honestly think it's the worst movie of all time or that I wouldn't watch it for an excuse to go out and/or encourage a snogging session, there's nothing inherently wrong with it. I'd guess that for the most part the anti-Twilight sensation is due to people hating popular stuff, or maybe it wrecks their image of a Vampire (who cares?). I don't see why it should be so popular, but it's just another movie. There's little need to be so offended or insecure around it. It only annoys me becuase its a boring film, more so than your average drama, and (after 3-4 movies/books) goes nowhere. As another poster had said, someone is just cashing in very sucessfully to a part of the public. So what?
SlaveToDorkness wrote:
GalacticDefender wrote:
Also, wasn't there like 8 pages in one of the books that were blank to describe how Bella felt without Edward? Think of all of the trees that had to die because Stephanie Meyer lacked the descriptive ability to, uh, DESCRIBE!
Please tell me this isn't true. Seriously...please?
I think they had a single word on each of them (November, December ect) to represent her moping for longer than usual.
I read all the Twighlight novels after being forced to go and see Twighlight New Moon, I laughed all the way through it, mainly due to the poor direction. My wife bet to read them so I did.
Take out the Vamp and Wolves references and you are left with a tale about a bout a needy and selfish teenage girl and the controlling object of her inflamed desires. All of which seems quite accurate.
Its not really fanwank either.
Do you know, If I could have, I would have created Twilight just so I could make mega bucks, sod 'real life' portrayals of vampires, I want cash!
Twilight cashes in on that bit in girls that likes soppy romance, and doesn't care when it's a pretty crappy standard, they just dig the fantasy so they ignore the bad stuff.
This is really no different to all of us in our approach the ultraviolence of GW properties.
Although, I've never read any prose as bad as this in any GW property;
Aro started to laugh. "Ha, ha, ha," he chuckled.
I actually thought that blank page thing was kind of clever, at least as a way to show how the character felt empty. Was the reasoning behind why the character was empty good? No. Was the character full before? Also no. I just think it was a clever mechanic....
I'm pretty sure Stephenie Meyer in and of herself is not a bad author...I mean the background characters are interesting. It's just her focus on her boring, plain, wet dream induced central couple that makes these books and films suck. Seriously, watch the films, and note how Kristen Stewart suddenly becomes a decent actor when Edward is not on camera.
The only good thing about Twilight is that it secures vampires ansd werewolves in a modern setting back in th public domain, where it belongs.
When Underworld was released White Wolf took them through the courts claiming plagiarism, it took a while for the fethers to lose too. But lose they did.
it was a bit like when George Lucas sued the makers of (old) Battlestar Galactica for plagiarism for doing a space opera, it took a while for him to lose that one too.
I hate it when companies take folklore and try to exclusively own it. Games Workshop try it all the time with their fething trademarks to ideas not their own. They are not alone, however when the test cases are won the doors are opened for imagniation to be free again.
Admittedly this does men Meyer is free to write her drek, but we are free too. Vampires vs Werewolves TM, no thankyou.
Renesmee will become a vampire hunter and help purge the world of the horrors that have spread on it.
My only fear is that Meyer will write it, and she's shown she much prefers throwing away, y'know, actually interesting politcal conflict and fighting in favor of...."OMGZ!!!1one!! My super uber special character (aka me) has some ubser special powers, and her baby is even MORE uberspeshul!!!11! In fanct they're soooo uber speshul they make all the bad vampires go and hide so I can have time with my ridiculously hot fantasy, wet dream boyfriend!!!!!!111one!!!!"
Seriously, if Meyer writes the sequels it won't be awesomeness of hunting down and destroying vampires. It'll be another crappy love story.
Well I lived through the experience last night. The scrap at the end was vaguely entertaining in a glance up from the laptop kind of way. Plus the Munster that gets all the visions is kind of hot.
Apolgies to the people who were offended by this thread's existence, but in the same way I don't have to stay in the lounge when the Mrs Flashman insists on watching Twilight, you don't have to read a thread with Twilight in the title
Flashman wrote:Well I lived through the experience last night. The scrap at the end was vaguely entertaining in a glance up from the laptop kind of way. Plus the Munster that gets all the visions is kind of hot.
Apolgies to the people who were offended by this thread's existence, but in the same way I don't have to stay in the lounge when the Mrs Flashman insists on watching Twilight, you don't have to read a thread with Twilight in the title
Yea I got through it as well. It wasnt as bad as I hyped myself up for, but it was still rather terrible. I thought the battle at the end was neat, and a bonus, when they are giant wolves, I dont have to see shirtless guys everywhere. I also wondered, if all the GUYS are shirtless, why isnt the one female wolf shirtless? I was bummed.
When you're little, you think your parents know everything and can do anything. It's pretty disconcerting to find, when you grow up a bit, that they're just as consciously fallible as you. Amid the associated blend of emotion is anger and resentment at being naive, being young. It doesn't seem fair that being tricked is an inevitable part of life. A bit further on in life, you start to look around at the world and notice that these huge media phenomena are utter trash. If millions of people go wild over Harry Potter, it must be good right? (Many of the young people who hate Twilight so desperately were young enough to equate Harry Potter's success with some kind of merit and very few of them have reconsidered it.) But reading or watching any amount of Twilight makes it clear that you don't have to be talented to succeed, you don't have to work hard or have new ideas; there is no requirement of creativity or authenticity to achieve widespread acclaim in the English-speaking world. And that, for some gawky teenagers trying to come to grips with themselves, is one of the most irritating things imaginable. For others, about half of all others, its extremely comforting.
I see all this potential, and I see squandering. God damn it, an entire generation pumping gas, waiting tables; slaves with white collars. Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy gak we don't need. We're the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War's a spiritual war... our Great Depression is our lives. We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won't. And we're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, very pissed off.
Manchu wrote:When you're little, you think your parents know everything and can do anything. It's pretty disconcerting to find, when you grow up a bit, that they're just as consciously fallible as you.
Its only later you realize how right they were and the nonsense you were spouting as a teenager really was nonsense.
That's exactly what I mean: As an adult, you think back to what you thought about the world as a teenager with embarassment--only to find that those ideas are of the same quality as those of many adults, including your parents.
And then, like, some existential gak on the last half of this page...
My ex wanted me to watch Twilight. I said I'd watch all the twilight movies (which were just 2 at the time) if she could sit through Blade Trinity and Underworld 2.
How Blade/Underworld-type tripe is better than Twilight is difficult to understand, at least for me--but then again, I think people hate Twilight because it's crap rather than because it's crap that they hate. Maybe people are more circular than I thought.
Ahtman wrote:I see all this potential, and I see squandering. God damn it, an entire generation pumping gas, waiting tables; slaves with white collars. Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy gak we don't need. We're the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War's a spiritual war... our Great Depression is our lives. We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won't. And we're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, very pissed off.
That movie is why Brad Pitt can do no wrong in my eyes(a few other movies maybe but that one fore sure). He could burn kittens and Id ignore it. But sadly Ive met people that have watched it and swear it changed their lives.
Manchu wrote:How Blade/Underworld-type tripe is better than Twilight is difficult to understand, at least for me--but then again, I think people hate Twilight because it's crap rather than because it's crap that they hate. Maybe people are more circular than I thought.
Did you...watch... any of Twilight? It isn't 'hated on' becuase it is popular, or becuase it is hated, it is becuase it genuinely isn't very good on almost any level. The directing, acting, dialogue, pacing, and plot are fairly poor. Underworld is not the greatest film but it is better in almost every category. The first and second Blade movies are actually still fairly entertaining and well put together as well. None of this says that a person can't enjoy the movies. Mediocre is better than sub-par.
There is a difference between something being good and enjoying it. It is ok to like the Twilight movies, just don't turn them into something they aren't. There are movies I like that are not very good movies but they amuse me in one way or another.
Of course I can't speak to the books as I haven't read any of them in any capacity.
Now if your point is that people that are fanatical about any of them are silly, then yes, I agree.
The movies, at least, provide some pretty pictures in the background, and sometime the cinematography is actually quite good, like with the chase scene in Eclipse.
Like wise, the books have some decent parts, mainly the background for characters like Jasper, Alice and Rosalie. However, these few good points are completely buried beneath the tidal wave of crap in the main Bella + Edward plot.
When I care 10x more about the fate of a random background character than whether the main ones live, die or whatever, it's probably a bad thing for the novel..
Ahtman wrote:My wife has zero interest in Twilight but has watched the Blade or Underworld movies of her own accord.
SWMBO liked Blade I and Underworld. She literally fell asleep when those were on the TV. She laughs and laughs at Twilight. To her Twillight is just the current incarnation of the old Knight/Princess mythos, just taken to a lame level. SHe also has seerious scorn for adult women/moms who rant about it. To her they have deeper issues...
Ahtman wrote:My wife has zero interest in Twilight but has watched the Blade or Underworld movies of her own accord.
SWMBO liked Blade I and Underworld. She literally fell asleep when those were on the TV. She laughs and laughs at Twilight. To her Twillight is just the current incarnation of the old Knight/Princess mythos, just taken to a lame level. SHe also has seerious scorn for adult women/moms who rant about it. To her they have deeper issues...
It's the adult males who still play with toy soldiers she should be worried about!
Orlanth wrote:The only good thing about Twilight is that it secures vampires ansd werewolves in a modern setting back in th public domain, where it belongs.
When Underworld was released White Wolf took them through the courts claiming plagiarism, it took a while for the fethers to lose too. But lose they did.
It wasn't just the use of vampires and werewolves that led to the complaint, it was that there was some 60 points of similarity between the two, such as there being a war between vampires and werewolves, the approach of adding a 'dark' twist to the modern world, and so on, in addition to having a plot very similar to a book written as part of the White Wolf line of fiction.
It isn't like Lucas suing someone because he wrote a story about space wizards fighting an evil empire. It's a lot more like Lucas suing because someone wrote a story about a boy, brought up by his aunt and uncle as a farmer on a desert planet, who buys two robots who happen to be caught up in an intergalactic adventure, and when one of them heads off to complete its mission the boy is attacked by native raiders, prompting his rescue by a mysterious space wizard...
And they didn't lose the case, they settled out of court. This didn't change the ability of anyone to use elements of mythology in their stories. But it does mean you have to be extremely careful that your approach to the myths doesn't end up with a setting very close to someone elses, or that someone else hasn't written a nearly identical story.
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Ahtman wrote:Did you...watch... any of Twilight? It isn't 'hated on' becuase it is popular, or becuase it is hated, it is becuase it genuinely isn't very good on almost any level. The directing, acting, dialogue, pacing, and plot are fairly poor. Underworld is not the greatest film but it is better in almost every category. The first and second Blade movies are actually still fairly entertaining and well put together as well. None of this says that a person can't enjoy the movies. Mediocre is better than sub-par.
I agree that the second Blade movie was pretty well put together, I disagree on the first.
I think the point is that there’s plenty of crap out there as bad as the Twilight series, Dan Brown novels come to mind, as does most of the Star Wars books. Yet Twilight cops more nerd hatred than all of those combined.
I think this is in part due to Twilight being very successful right now, but more because it’s a romantic story rather than a violent one, and boy howdy don’t the nerds hate that.
There is a difference between something being good and enjoying it. It is ok to like the Twilight movies, just don't turn them into something they aren't. There are movies I like that are not very good movies but they amuse me in one way or another.
Yeah, definitely. I like lots of stuff that’s crap. Thing is, if someone says “I’m going to see the latest Twilight movie” you’ve really got no place to tell them they shouldn’t, we all enjoy crap of one sort or another, and there’s no harm in it.
If someone tries to claim Twilight is actually any good, then you can tell them they’re wrong. But the only people I’ve seen claiming Twilight is actually good are about 12 years old, and telling them they’re wrong just strikes me as a little mean spirited.
Also: Kate Beckinsale > Kristen Stewart
Damn straight. The biggest sin of the Underworld movies was they got a really hot girl to walk around in PVC all the time, then didn’t exploit her anywhere nearly enough. She should have been just walking around going’ oh, someone dropped a quarter, I’ll just bend over and pick it up’.
sebster wrote:It wasn't just the use of vampires and werewolves that led to the complaint, it was that there was some 60 points of similarity between the two, such as there being a war between vampires and werewolves, the approach of adding a 'dark' twist to the modern world, and so on, in addition to having a plot very similar to a book written as part of the White Wolf line of fiction.
Some of those points of similarity were things like 'your vampires are super strong, our vampires are super strong'. The book that was 'ripped off' was Romeo and Juliet but with Vampires and Werewolves. I'm a White Wolf fan, more so than Underworld, which is a pretty film series with poor characters and plot (familiar?) but even so White Wolf had a poor case and even if they didn't lose, they were going to.
If you don't think that case changed things I recommend you watch True Blood with a copy of Vampire the Masquerade in your hands. Interestingly (or not) True Blood's concept (girl meets vampire) bears an uncanny resemblance to Twilight.
sebster wrote:I think this is in part due to Twilight being very successful right now, but more because it’s a romantic story rather than a violent one, and boy howdy don’t the nerds hate that.
Yeah, definitely. I like lots of stuff that’s crap. Thing is, if someone says “I’m going to see the latest Twilight movie” you’ve really got no place to tell them they shouldn’t, we all enjoy crap of one sort or another, and there’s no harm in it.
If someone tries to claim Twilight is actually any good, then you can tell them they’re wrong. But the only people I’ve seen claiming Twilight is actually good are about 12 years old, and telling them they’re wrong just strikes me as a little mean spirited.
This on the other hand, is Truth. Not the regular kind, but the kind they look for in philosophy classes.
Flashman wrote:Well I lived through the experience last night. The scrap at the end was vaguely entertaining in a glance up from the laptop kind of way. Plus the Munster that gets all the visions is kind of hot.
Apolgies to the people who were offended by this thread's existence, but in the same way I don't have to stay in the lounge when the Mrs Flashman insists on watching Twilight, you don't have to read a thread with Twilight in the title
The thread isn't offensive.
Just the bemoaning of Twighlight by a bunch of nerdy gamer geeks is rather like kids not wanting to eat their cabbage.
Except that cabbage is good for you and you can't have your pudding till you have eaten it.
AHHH! Mrs Flashman won't let you have your pudding until you have, "eaten the cabbage".
George Spiggott wrote:Some of those points of similarity were things like 'your vampires are super strong, our vampires are super strong'. The book that was 'ripped off' was Romeo and Juliet but with Vampires and Werewolves. I'm a White Wolf fan, more so than Underworld, which is a pretty film series with poor characters and plot (familiar?) but even so White Wolf had a poor case and even if they didn't lose, they were going to.
If you don't think that case changed things I recommend you watch True Blood with a copy of Vampire the Masquerade in your hands. Interestingly (or not) True Blood's concept (girl meets vampire) bears an uncanny resemblance to Twilight.
Yeah, I don't really have a stake in either Underworld or The World of Darkness, I played Vampire for a handful of sessions back in the day and thought it was alright. Underworld was good for a look at Kate Beckinsale and nothing else.
And I really don't have an opinion on whether White Wolf's case was strong, because I don't work in IP law which is from what I've been told a very dense and diificult area. But the White Wolf legal team thought they had a case and the Underworld team thought they didn't, and they did agree to an out of court settlement so they likely both saw some merit in the other side's case. At which point I'm inclined to think that given their all practicing lawyers in the field, they might know better than I do.
So all I can do it point out is wasn't really about White Wolf trying to protect their ownership of vampires and werewolves, and about them trying to protect the setting and story they created within that. And that obviously there was something of a case there, given how both sides acted about the matter.
sebster wrote:Yeah, definitely. I like lots of stuff that’s crap. Thing is, if someone says “I’m going to see the latest Twilight movie” you’ve really got no place to tell them they shouldn’t, we all enjoy crap of one sort or another, and there’s no harm in it.
The only movies I would ever tell someone they can't go see either start with the words "Tyler Perry's..." or "Madea's...".
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