I was told today by my store owner that his GW rep said that the next codex will be Necrons. I can't confirm it with any proof, but I figured I might as well pass it along. I thought it was going to be Daemon Hunters. I don't play either army, but both need a new dex.

Anyways, please don't flame me. If I posted in the wrong section, I am sorry.

Yes!! That would be awesome!! But it needs salt...

Awesome, but we are talking a GW rep..

Dark Eldar just been released, so the next one should be a SM codex. I thought the rumour was Grey Knights.

Not trying to argue, just sharing what I heard in hopes that someone might find it useful for whatever reason.

I hope to dear god its true!

Why can there not be two races released at the same time really?

It's not like they really need to put money into promoting it?

They'd get more money that way.

Although I guess its really just as fast as the books and/or sculpts are made. So maybe its possible for a team to overtake each other if there's a problem on one side.

*shrug* I don't know what goes on in GW really

It seems unlikely, given the weight of Grey Knights rumours (tons, including sightings of the new TAGKs) compared to that for the Necrons (next to none).

obsidianaura wrote:Why can there not be two races released at the same time really?

It's not like they really need to put money into promoting it?

They'd get more money that way.

These days GW isn't even willing to release second waves for different games in the same month. And Skaven and Blood Angels are about as far away from appealing to the same people as it's possible to get.

I wonder if the recent increase in Necron appreances in short stories and the novel Dead Men Walking, are a hint of things to come...llike the Dark Eldar in the last Salamanders book.

AlexHolker wrote: including sightings of the new TAGKs
.

Any pics...or just someone claiming to have seen them?

Mad4Minis wrote:Any pics...or just someone claiming to have seen them?

Someone claiming to have seen them.

Im glad to see it. I hope that becomes a reality, the necrons are in dire need of an updated codex and some revision work to the current models offered.

obsidianaura wrote:Why can there not be two races released at the same time really?

It's not like they really need to put money into promoting it?

They'd get more money that way.

GW has been targetting the bandwagon crowd quite heavily with the exponential codex creep, and wide spacing of codexes. If you want people to start every army and play it for just long enough to get it all painted up before they sell it and move on to the next thing, then you must give the player enough time to get tired of it before you drop the next coolest thing. They get much more money from a new player picking up blood angels than an old blood angel player buying a codex, the characters and sanguinary guard.

With this mindset, it actually does make them more money to release 2 races in a widely spaced pattern. If they wanted to maintain interest in all races then you'd see something more like the 90s 'Chapter Approved' column, which released optional rules, units, and scenarios for various armies each month which were codified each year in an annual book.

Didn't forgeworld get a Necron MC?

Necrons also appeared last year in the last Soul Drinker's novel. I had my hopes up then for a concurrent release. I won't be so easily fooled now.

Hardcore necron players have gotta be pretty frustrated at this point.

Ashryu wrote:Hardcore necron players have gotta be pretty frustrated at this point.

How long did Orks wait for the current dex?

Are the Necrons equalling that wait yet?

Personally I hope the new Necron codex come sooner rather than later, as they are the only 40K army I have never collected over the years besides Eldar, and I'm thinking of starting up a collection, but not until I see the new dex and models...

Ashryu wrote:Hardcore necron players have gotta be pretty frustrated at this point.

After millions of years in stasis we can afford to be patient, but yes a new codex for 'crons in the next 12 - 18 months would be nice

What's frustrating to me (as a cron player) is that codices that already had a newer version than crons got updated to 5th before older codices. I get it, from a business standpoint, lead with your strong foot and whatnot. But seriously...it's rather aggravating that an 8 year old codex gets sidelined so a 3 year old (or whatever) codex can be updated first.

Heck, I'm happy with the new MC though, for now. It's SOMETHING at least.

Kevin949 wrote:What's frustrating to me (as a cron player) is that codices that already had a newer version than crons got updated to 5th before older codices. I get it, from a business standpoint, lead with your strong foot and whatnot. But seriously...it's rather aggravating that an 8 year old codex gets sidelined so a 3 year old (or whatever) codex can be updated first.

It's more like the Peter Principle: things get tinkered on until something breaks, then get dropped to the bottom of the list because they're not popular enough to warrant the attention.

Father Gabe wrote:I wonder if the recent increase in Necron appreances in short stories and the novel Dead Men Walking, are a hint of things to come...llike the Dark Eldar in the last Salamanders book.

Let us not forget that the Fall of Damnos is coming out in the spring. Necrons Ahoy. I've been hopeful since I heard about it and most rumours lately point towards the first half of 2011.

I want the codex announced and ready for release before this time next year. The only thing that I'm scared of is, what's gonna happen to my moneh when they do finally arrive? I shudder just thinking about such damage.

GW managers aren't told gak. Don't believe anything they say.

camcam_HALO wrote:Didn't forgeworld get a Necron MC?

No, it's a test FW model.

The_Savior wrote:

camcam_HALO wrote:Didn't forgeworld get a Necron MC?

No, it's a test FW model.

....No it's not.

The_Savior wrote:

camcam_HALO wrote:Didn't forgeworld get a Necron MC?

No, it's a test FW model.

what? Do you have any idea what you just typed? lol.

I thought it was like in testing because of it's special rules?

I know the Tomb Stalker is real.

samrtk wrote:

Father Gabe wrote:I wonder if the recent increase in Necron appreances in short stories and the novel Dead Men Walking, are a hint of things to come...llike the Dark Eldar in the last Salamanders book.

Let us not forget that the Fall of Damnos is coming out in the spring. Necrons Ahoy. I've been hopeful since I heard about it and most rumours lately point towards the first half of 2011.

I want the codex announced and ready for release before this time next year. The only thing that I'm scared of is, what's gonna happen to my moneh when they do finally arrive? I shudder just thinking about such damage.

Just start saving now

The_Savior wrote:I thought it was like in testing because of it's special rules?

I know the Tomb Stalker is real.

Experimental rules is what you're thinking of. Unlikely to change though.

Kevin949 wrote:

The_Savior wrote:I thought it was like in testing because of it's special rules?

I know the Tomb Stalker is real.

Experimental rules is what you're thinking of. Unlikely to change though.

Alright, then I was confused.

There was something about it that really sucked, I just forgot It's a nice model though, for sure.

Samus_aran115 wrote:There was something about it that really sucked, I just forgot It's a nice model though, for sure.

I'm not sure, for what it costed it was pretty good looking on paper.

Kurgash wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:There was something about it that really sucked, I just forgot It's a nice model though, for sure.

I'm not sure, for what it costed it was pretty good looking on paper.

I remember thinking something about it when it came out... Ah, it's guns. Yeah. It's guns could be better for it's 4 BS, IMO

Probably that it's a Heavy Support choice so no Monoliths for you. =P

Also, first post. =) (Actually from Finland, not Denmark. I'm just an exchange student right now.)

I believe Necrons are offically the oldest codex in active use. Orks and DE were of similar age if I remember right. It'll be a happy day when I can break mine out again.

Automata wrote:Probably that it's a Heavy Support choice so no Monoliths for you. =P

Also, first post. =) (Actually from Finland, not Denmark. I'm just an exchange student right now.)

Welcome to dakka great way to start with a Necron thread because 'You'll be back!'

AlexHolker wrote:

Mad4Minis wrote:Any pics...or just someone claiming to have seen them?

Someone claiming to have seen them.

Ah, so completely worthless then. Bummer.

AlexHolker wrote:It seems unlikely, given the weight of Grey Knights rumours (tons, including sightings of the new TAGKs) compared to that for the Necrons (next to none).

Rumours we have seen, just confirmation is what we lack, not surprising as the release is more than 6 months away.

23rd September by Stickmonkey over at Warseer:

Well kids, I managed to get a few rumors from my sources that seem worthwhile to post. Same caveats as always.

Tau and Necrons are still a long way off, so no one go off the deep end in excitement. I have done what vetting I can on these, but it is way too early to not have loads of salt on hand. (...)

Necrons
All Immortal based models being redone. Because Destroyers, Lords, etc. were supposedly based on the immortal "chassis" and that has been redone "bigger", its a cascade effect. However, skimmer body base not expect to change.

Immortals possible move to Troops choice.

New Elite options

Pariahs no longer 0-1

Additional C'Tan

plastic Tomb Spyder box to make TS or variant.

New fast attack MC

Pylon may make codex as heavy option

You will find a collection of older rumours here:

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=274318

As I have always said, Crons are a potential cash cow.

1.) Easy as hell to paint
2.) Easy to learn
3.) Used to be very forgiving army, great for new players
4.) Used to be also a very good army, great for vets and as a second army
5.) Cool background, nice looking models
6.) Cheapest army to build buying everything new

I always used to recommend crons as a first army and wanted to make one as a secondary army as they would be so easy to paint and collect.

GW needs to make them competitive again and they will sell well. Pitch them as the cheap, easy army to collect that is also good on the table and tons of people will snatch them up.

Reecius wrote:As I have always said, Crons are a potential cash cow.

1.) Easy as hell to paint
2.) Easy to learn
3.) Used to be very forgiving army, great for new players
4.) Used to be also a very good army, great for vets and as a second army
5.) Cool background, nice looking models
6.) Cheapest army to build buying everything new

I always used to recommend crons as a first army and wanted to make one as a secondary army as they would be so easy to paint and collect.

GW needs to make them competitive again and they will sell well. Pitch them as the cheap, easy army to collect that is also good on the table and tons of people will snatch them up.

Not to mention how incredibly fragile the guns, arms, and legs are making it scary to buy used if you want to paint them or want all future models you acquire to fit in with your army.

I stopped buying used models years ago. Not worth the hassle of cleaning them. I would rather buy stuff new and not worry about and defects, etc. One thing about GW, their customer service is excellent. Anytime I have had a problem with their product, they take care of it immediately.

Reecius wrote: GW, their customer service...

their what now?

obsidianaura wrote:Why can there not be two races released at the same time really?

It's not like they really need to put money into promoting it?

They'd get more money that way.

Although I guess its really just as fast as the books and/or sculpts are made. So maybe its possible for a team to overtake each other if there's a problem on one side.

*shrug* I don't know what goes on in GW really

There are only 100 pages in WD for advertising. The new army gets like 75, everything else gets 20, and then there's a painting or "tactics" article for 3 pages and Jervis gets 2 for Standard Bearer.

I thought this was common knowledge?

@Gothgar
No joke man, their customer service is outstanding. Maybe other people have had different experiences than I have, but any time I have had any issues with their product, they have taken care of it immediately.

I've looked at the past releases of codex's and noticed that there are three books that have yet to be updated since 3rd Edition:Necrons, DeamonHunters and Witch Hunters, so its a very good chance that any of these three books will be next to get an update. I'm personally hoping for Witch Hunters but I'd be very interested to see what changes they make to the Necron's if that is the next book to come out, I hope they nerf the Warscythe a little, losing 3 Wolfguard in Terminator armor because they don't even get an invulnerable save sucks lol

HarleyDude01 wrote:I've looked at the past releases of codex's and noticed that there are three books that have yet to be updated since 3rd Edition:Necrons, DeamonHunters and Witch Hunters, so its a very good chance that any of these three books will be next to get an update. I'm personally hoping for Witch Hunters but I'd be very interested to see what changes they make to the Necron's if that is the next book to come out, I hope they nerf the Warscythe a little, losing 3 Wolfguard in Terminator armor because they don't even get an invulnerable save sucks lol

From what i understand most consider Necrons to already be nerfed compared to the armies that have 5th ed updates already. As far as the warscythe goes...I love it, except for the fact that the Lords warscythe doesnt get the ranged attack the Pariahs does...that needs to be corrected.

I highly doubt this, all signs currently point to GK. Necrons would be a HUGE project but definetly should be done, just like dark eldar the codex is currently waaaaaaay outdated would have to be completly rebuilt instead of just updated.

I don't agree. I was told about this 3 months ago where my report was greeted with scorn; the Necrons would be coming January 2011.

The staff member I spoke to stated he had seen some of the new work and finished models, some on larger bases, Immortals.

A few more weeks and we'll know for sure.

Reecius wrote:@Gothgar
No joke man, their customer service is outstanding. Maybe other people have had different experiences than I have, but any time I have had any issues with their product, they have taken care of it immediately.

Many times yes. Customer Service is something they've got down pat.

Aduro wrote:

Reecius wrote:@Gothgar
No joke man, their customer service is outstanding. Maybe other people have had different experiences than I have, but any time I have had any issues with their product, they have taken care of it immediately.

Many times yes. Customer Service is something they've got down pat.

Indeed. I've had a few great experiances with getting replacement/missing pieces from sets I've bought. Stuff was shipped quickly at no charge.

Why can there not be two races released at the same time really?

Cash flow, GW's and ours. Releases are timed so that they don't compete with each other. Too many new things in one month means something's going to sit on shelves as customers make a choice as to which to spend their monthly toy budget upon. GW stages their releases to capture a steady cash flow each month without having to compete with themselves for those "shiny new object" dollars and pounds their customers are willing to spend each month.

Aduro wrote:

Reecius wrote:@Gothgar
No joke man, their customer service is outstanding. Maybe other people have had different experiences than I have, but any time I have had any issues with their product, they have taken care of it immediately.

Many times yes. Customer Service is something they've got down pat.

I agree with this, my necron codex I bought from another non-GW hobby store started to fall apart after like 1 month, maybe 2, of ownership. I take good care of my stuff too so it wasn't man-handled and it was always in my carrying case when not in use. Anyway, the glue/binding that held the pages to the spine started to fail and pages were falling out, I was at my FLGS and told them about it and showed them and the condition the book was in, they gave me a new one on the spot even though I didn't even buy it from them. That's service, if you ask me.

Also to note, my friends 5th edition rulebook is doing the same thing with the pages looking like they're going to start falling out.

Reecius wrote:@Gothgar
No joke man, their customer service is outstanding. Maybe other people have had different experiences than I have, but any time I have had any issues with their product, they have taken care of it immediately.

+1 on many occasions they've not hesitated to replace products that have fallen apart or were mispackaged. Just off the top of my head, I know they've sent me:

-a box of horrors because of one of the arms not matching
-a box of banshees because it had a Legion of Damned Legionnaire in it rather than one of the banshees
-2 different Tyranid codices when they fell apart
- a new lictor because the blister had two right legs

And that's just what I can think of sitting at my desk at work.

Oh, and they sent me a Dark Eldar codex that I cancelled the pre-order for. When I received it, I called them and said if they'd send me a SASE, that I would gladly ship it back to them. "Keep it," they said.

camcam_HALO wrote:I was told today by my store owner that his GW rep said that the next codex will be Necrons. I can't confirm it with any proof, but I figured I might as well pass it along. I thought it was going to be Daemon Hunters. I don't play either army, but both need a new dex.

Anyways, please don't flame me. If I posted in the wrong section, I am sorry.

Aw, and now your stores' GW sales rep gets his ass fired!!)

It's just another "Redshirt Rumor". If it was official, no one would actually be talking about it. Those that do, get fired.

Elmodiddly wrote:I don't agree. I was told about this 3 months ago where my report was greeted with scorn; the Necrons would be coming January 2011.

The staff member I spoke to stated he had seen some of the new work and finished models, some on larger bases, Immortals.

A few more weeks and we'll know for sure.

Or you read the official "incoming" article two months ago where GW confirmed that in January we will see a second wave Skaven

yep their customer service is great.

In recent memory... my wfb starter set didn't have any horse bases, they sent em right out to me.

Got a necron battleforce that was missing 3 sprues worth of green rods, so they sent me a whole box of warriors. Now I can use the extra warriors for some flayed one conversions instead of buying metals

Got a russ a while back and one of the frames was all bent up and warped like it melted in someone's car in the summer, so they sent me a whole new tank.. I used the other parts that were good to build a 2nd turret with a different gun, and had other bitz to mess around with.

rdlb wrote:Yes!! That would be awesome!! But it needs salt...

Done



Don't believe a thing those guys say. If nercons are next and this is true, then we might have to listen to a few things they say for once, otherwise it's back to "Hey a (color)shirt said this to me, can you believe it HAW HAW HAW"

Kroothawk wrote:

AlexHolker wrote:It seems unlikely, given the weight of Grey Knights rumours (tons, including sightings of the new TAGKs) compared to that for the Necrons (next to none).

Rumours we have seen, just confirmation is what we lack, not surprising as the release is more than 6 months away.

23rd September by Stickmonkey over at Warseer:

Well kids, I managed to get a few rumors from my sources that seem worthwhile to post. Same caveats as always.

Tau and Necrons are still a long way off, so no one go off the deep end in excitement. I have done what vetting I can on these, but it is way too early to not have loads of salt on hand. (...)

Necrons
All Immortal based models being redone. Because Destroyers, Lords, etc. were supposedly based on the immortal "chassis" and that has been redone "bigger", its a cascade effect. However, skimmer body base not expect to change.

Immortals possible move to Troops choice.

New Elite options

Pariahs no longer 0-1

Additional C'Tan

plastic Tomb Spyder box to make TS or variant.

New fast attack MC

Pylon may make codex as heavy option

You will find a collection of older rumours here:

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=274318

Sorry to quote this so long after the fact....But new c'tan? How the feth is that even possible? I thought it was well established that there are only like four c'tan left Void dragon, nightbringer, deciever and the other one are basically it...

But it's possible that that old fluff was retconned. Idk.

Maybe a couple of the C'tan put on some Barry White.....

By new C'tan they mean that players would be able to take the Void Dragon or the Outsider. But this dosen't make much sense in that the Void Dragon is trapped on Mars and recent fluff (rulebook) has shifted away from the C'tan and more in favor of individual Necron Lords.

BUT I think it would be possible to make a new C'tan unless the machinery used to make the originals was destroyed by the remaining 4.

Anyway I can't wait for the new Necron dex. I've slowly been collecting a Necron army on the side for the last few years in anticipation of the day that the new dex would come out. The only things I haven't bought are wraiths, flayed ones, pariahs and C'tan. Of course half of those can be converted from warriors.

But I hope the rumor is true, I've got so tired of waiting I've started making up my own units

Anyone else wanna bet that the Tomb Stalker will be in the new dex just like the Pirhana and Skyray was for Tau.

Tomb stalker As fast attack MC would be awesome.

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:By new C'tan they mean that players would be able to take the Void Dragon or the Outsider. But this dosen't make much sense in that the Void Dragon is trapped on Mars and recent fluff (rulebook) has shifted away from the C'tan and more in favor of individual Necron Lords.

Tycho is dead, but the new Blood Angels book has rules for him again. Don't let things like trapped or dead get in the way of selling models.

-Matt

I would absolutely love to see a new Necron codex come out next and I don't think it would be too far of a stretch to think that they might come before Grey Knights...

Speaking from the owner at my FLGS, he also heard from a GW rep that Grey Knights were NOT going to be the next codex released.

The new Tomb Stalker looks absolutely beautiful.

GW doen't really have to give us a Marine codex next since the focus in Feb will be the 2nd phase of Blood Angels.

The latest White Dwarf features a Necron battle report and for the life of me I can't remember the last time I saw the Necrons featured in a White Dwarf battle report.

Other than Witch Hunters and Daemon Hunters it is the oldest codex out there.

Why not April-May for Necrons?

April-May would be cool My birthday

Samus_aran115 wrote:

Sorry to quote this so long after the fact....But new c'tan? How the feth is that even possible? I thought it was well established that there are only like four c'tan left Void dragon, nightbringer, deciever and the other one are basically it...

But it's possible that that old fluff was retconned. Idk.

When was the first time you heard of Sternguard Veterans? Or Vanguard Veterans?

Or marines riding giant wolves?

GW has zero problem with shoehorning anything and everything into the existing background - expect the unexpected!

Wolflord Patrick wrote:I would absolutely love to see a new Necron codex come out next and I don't think it would be too far of a stretch to think that they might come before Grey Knights...

Speaking from the owner at my FLGS, he also heard from a GW rep that Grey Knights were NOT going to be the next codex released.

The new Tomb Stalker looks absolutely beautiful.

GW doen't really have to give us a Marine codex next since the focus in Feb will be the 2nd phase of Blood Angels.

The latest White Dwarf features a Necron battle report and for the life of me I can't remember the last time I saw the Necrons featured in a White Dwarf battle report.

Other than Witch Hunters and Daemon Hunters it is the oldest codex out there.

Why not April-May for Necrons?

I'm afraid to ask who won.

I am not sure about necrons being next. But again rumors are just that.

CT GAMER wrote:

Ashryu wrote:Hardcore necron players have gotta be pretty frustrated at this point.

How long did Orks wait for the current dex?

Are the Necrons equalling that wait yet?

That the Ork's frustration was greater, does not lessen the Necron's.


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Automata wrote:Probably that it's a Heavy Support choice so no Monoliths for you. =P

Also, first post. =) (Actually from Finland, not Denmark. I'm just an exchange student right now.)

Welcome to DakkaDakka!.

HawaiiMatt wrote:Tycho is dead, but the new Blood Angels book has rules for him again. Don't let things like trapped or dead get in the way of selling models.

There's a distinct difference between "dead since the Third War for Armageddon" and "dead since the Cretaceous Period".

Plus, Tycho has fought in wars (as a Captain and as a Death Co. leader), and they are all about giving players the option of "historical" recreations. The Void Dragon has not in the history of the Imperium.

That being said, I wouldn't be surprised to see the fluff change.

They need to have the 'Great Grey Day's and release both the necrons and grey nights. It would have a catchy title and I'm sure they could come up with some battle fluff between the two of them. I think that everyone would be happy this way.

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:By new C'tan they mean that players would be able to take the Void Dragon or the Outsider. But this dosen't make much sense in that the Void Dragon is trapped on Mars and recent fluff (rulebook) has shifted away from the C'tan and more in favor of individual Necron Lords.

BUT I think it would be possible to make a new C'tan unless the machinery used to make the originals was destroyed by the remaining 4.

Anyway I can't wait for the new Necron dex. I've slowly been collecting a Necron army on the side for the last few years in anticipation of the day that the new dex would come out. The only things I haven't bought are wraiths, flayed ones, pariahs and C'tan. Of course half of those can be converted from warriors.

But I hope the rumor is true, I've got so tired of waiting I've started making up my own units

Anyone else wanna bet that the Tomb Stalker will be in the new dex just like the Pirhana and Skyray was for Tau.

As cool as the Void Dragon fluff is, I really love the idea of the Lords being the ones calling the shots. Goes a long way to giving them some personality, something the Necrons desperately need. I am also looking forward to the new codex, minis, fluff, etc so I can continue my army.


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Azure wrote:They need to have the 'Great Grey Day's and release both the necrons and grey nights. It would have a catchy title and I'm sure they could come up with some battle fluff between the two of them. I think that everyone would be happy this way.

Not sure that would work...arent GK more aimed at daemons and chaos than stuff like Necrons?

Mad4Minis wrote:As cool as the Void Dragon fluff is, I really love the idea of the Lords being the ones calling the shots. Goes a long way to giving them some personality, something the Necrons desperately need. I am also looking forward to the new codex, minis, fluff, etc so I can continue my army.

Something I've suggested elsewhere is that they could have two sub-factions within the Necrons: those who are 100% under the thrall of the C'tan, and whose Lords can act as a conduit for their C'tan's powers, and those who survived with more of their personality intact, who don't get access to the Essence of the C'tan abilities but can take a Wolf Guard-type unit of lesser sapient Necrons. Retcon the fluff for the Gauss Flayer back to the 2nd edition version and you've got two groups, both harvesting life for the C'tan, but one also harvesting sentient life for their own experiments, to try to fully free themselves from the C'tan.

^ I hope that's the case. My necron army's bakground fluff is very much anti-C'tan, would be nice to see that view legitamized in a codex.

AlexHolker wrote:

Mad4Minis wrote:As cool as the Void Dragon fluff is, I really love the idea of the Lords being the ones calling the shots. Goes a long way to giving them some personality, something the Necrons desperately need. I am also looking forward to the new codex, minis, fluff, etc so I can continue my army.

Something I've suggested elsewhere is that they could have two sub-factions within the Necrons: those who are 100% under the thrall of the C'tan, and whose Lords can act as a conduit for their C'tan's powers, and those who survived with more of their personality intact, who don't get access to the Essence of the C'tan abilities but can take a Wolf Guard-type unit of lesser sapient Necrons. Retcon the fluff for the Gauss Flayer back to the 2nd edition version and you've got two groups, both harvesting life for the C'tan, but one also harvesting sentient life for their own experiments, to try to fully free themselves from the C'tan.

Thats workable. I am hoping for something along the lines of finding the C'Tan control waning, they take the opportunity to establish their own empires. Of course, existing races empires make great sources of raw materials...

Any which way they go will have to be a step up from what we have now.

And it makes sense, there are multiple Tomb Worlds (an undisclosed number) and only 2 C'tan who are known to be active so how could the 2 control EVERY Necron Legion. So it just makes sense that the Necron Lords would be more individualised and more ambitious when on their own, especially if say the god they served was consumed by the Nightbringer and they're left to their own doings.

I imagine the latest Battlestar Galactica will help with the robots breaking away from the norm.

AlexHolker wrote:

Mad4Minis wrote:As cool as the Void Dragon fluff is, I really love the idea of the Lords being the ones calling the shots. Goes a long way to giving them some personality, something the Necrons desperately need. I am also looking forward to the new codex, minis, fluff, etc so I can continue my army.

Something I've suggested elsewhere is that they could have two sub-factions within the Necrons: those who are 100% under the thrall of the C'tan, and whose Lords can act as a conduit for their C'tan's powers, and those who survived with more of their personality intact, who don't get access to the Essence of the C'tan abilities but can take a Wolf Guard-type unit of lesser sapient Necrons. Retcon the fluff for the Gauss Flayer back to the 2nd edition version and you've got two groups, both harvesting life for the C'tan, but one also harvesting sentient life for their own experiments, to try to fully free themselves from the C'tan.

That's not a bad idea. And, this way you could use the Void Dragon and Outsider by having their tabletop models be "Avatars" or lords that are channeling the power of these cthonic beings, regardless of their present location.

Prophecy07 wrote:That's not a bad idea. And, this way you could use the Void Dragon and Outsider by having their tabletop models be "Avatars" or lords that are channeling the power of these cthonic beings, regardless of their present location.

Having read more about the fluff for the Void Dragon, I'd say under no circumstances should its thralls be able to channel its power. If your setting has Prometheus make Zeus his and lock him in a box for humanity's benefit, this should be a game changer, and not in the gods' favour. If you're going to put something this awesome in the fluff, you should make damn good use of it.

Well, you guys have to remember, when made into robots, the C'tan Manipulated the Necrontyr's thoughts to their will. Then, the tomb words separated.

Ashryu wrote:Hardcore necron players have gotta be pretty frustrated at this point.

No more than Dark Eldar were before, or Sisters and Grey Knights are now.

Mewiththeface wrote:Well, you guys have to remember, when made into robots, the C'tan Manipulated the Necrontyr's thoughts to their will. Then, the tomb words separated.

I wouldnt be surprised to see a major overhaul of Necron fluff. One of the biggest things that has hurt them ever since the last update is the whole "slaves to the C'Tan" deal. Thats a major turnoff. It makes them very one dimensional with zero room for personalization or customization.

I would expect the C'Tan to become a very optional part of a Necron army, similar to chaos gods in CSM. You can play an army favored by a particular god, or you can do a chaos undivided army. It would make a lot of sense to redo Necrons the same way. Maybe give them gifts or favors from the 4 different C'Tan, again similar to chaos.

Perhaps even add in a couple special characters. There have been enough major Necron battles and uprisings that surely some have stood out and become noteable. Maybe a couple Lord SCs, perhaps a SC from immortals, pariahs, etc as well.

Necrons have the potential to be a very attractive army, all they need is the firepower they used to have, a bunch more flexibility, and a huge dose of personality...hopefully we will see all of that in the new codex. Along with some nice new models as well.

Kurgash wrote:

Wolflord Patrick wrote:

The latest White Dwarf features a Necron battle report and for the life of me I can't remember the last time I saw the Necrons featured in a White Dwarf battle report.

I'm afraid to ask who won.

It was a competitive event with the WD team against the design studio, so obviously both sides brought their A-game.

Mad4Minis wrote:Perhaps even add in a couple special characters. There have been enough major Necron battles and uprisings that surely some have stood out and become noteable. Maybe a couple Lord SCs, perhaps a SC from immortals, pariahs, etc as well.

I'm in favour of this. Give the Essence of C'tan X to the thralls, and give the special characters to the sapient Necrons.

I'd like to see a faction of Necrontyr who are moving against the C'tan. Oh, they still hate all life in the galaxy and hey're perfectly fine with galactic genocide, they just don't want to be slaves to the C'tan and want to free their race from the servitude..

I don't want GW to phase out the C'tan entirely, they should still be the leading factor of the Necrons; only have them in Apoc, with insane rules for swatting titans, and entire Guard regiments and such. They should be so good they're almost illegal, some cheese for Apoc would be nice, cause Necrons just don't have it down in that sector.

Codex-wise, I'm a big advocate for the Avatars of the C'tans, Lords who represent their god within the Necrons, perhaps make them MCs that move as Jump Infantry with a whole array of specialized wargear to that one god, that way each Avatar/Herald will be immensely unique. Only allowed to field one of the four in a game (0-1).

There should still be the bog standard Lords who choose from the regular Lord armoury for the smaller point games, and perhaps as being an almost Lieutenant like HQ to the Avatar Lords.

There's not much personality you can give Necrons, and I like that, I don't know why. Lords, Immortals and some Pariahs should retain some of their personalities however, however twisted they will have become.

This thread will be locked shortly for wishlisting.

Oh, I never said C'tan should be removed, I merely meant that there should be a faction within the Necrons opposing the C'tan.

Melissia wrote:Oh, I never said C'tan should be removed, I merely meant that there should be a faction within the Necrons opposing the C'tan.

He's talking about alot of other people who are advocating that move.

I'm sure he can speak for himself.

Melissia wrote:I'm sure he can speak for himself.

I can assure you, it wasn't aimed at you. It wasn't aimed at anyone, but an idea, I just decided to rapid fire my opinions over the thread.

samrtk wrote:

Melissia wrote:I'm sure he can speak for himself.

I can assure you, it wasn't aimed at you. It wasn't aimed at anyone, but an idea, I just decided to rapid fire my opinions over the thread.

And thus we come to an understanding, goodness.

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Regardless, I don't believe a GW rep's statement. Necrons might be close, but there's little reason to believe they'll be before Grey Knights, whom we have heard much more about.

Melissia wrote:And all of it while making both of your posts completely and utterly in every way unnecessary. Much fun times are had.

I'm still trying to figure out why you thought this would be an acceptable thing to say. The discussion in this thread seemed nice and polite until you started posting rude and unnecessarily contrary posts.

Anyway moving on

I don't think there will be a faction that is moving against the C'tan simply because the C'tan are responsible for the survival of the Necrontyr race both in leading them against the Old Ones and in convincing/tricking them into their current forms. There is just isn't any reason for them to when they owe so much to the C'tan.

As far as characters go I can see them doing something like what was done with the Tyranid codex where the ICs aren't exactly ICs they're just differant or special biomorphs. So maybe it will be like what someone said earlier where certain units will have a character that will just be a more advanced model, like a wraith character that enhances the abilities of wraiths and such and probably a Lord that's slowly been carving his way across the galaxy etc.

As far as the Avatars of the Gods go I'm not really sure about that. I can see Necron Lords maybe taking on aspects of their C'tan as I've always thought that the Necrons would be organised into legions with each legion being devoted to a specific C'tan instead of all of them together. Either way I think it's pretty safe to say that the Necrons will have some list of special abilities they can choose from.

You know, I had always thought a platinum lord in the manner GW explained the swarmlord. Code that code be sent to a variety of bodies that take its lively hood and once the body is crushed, the code is sent back to the tomb network or moved to its next needed appearance.

I would hesitate to see the necrons as grateful to the C'Tan for making them as they are now. Although they gain greatly, much was also lost. They wanted the power to dominate the Old Ones and the galaxy, instead they became slaves to a race with entirely different plans. IIRC from the codex this was/is displeasing to many Necrontyr. Id say its very possible to see in the new codex an aspect of the Necrons that have little or nothing to do with the C'Tan.

As mentioned already recent fluff (which the codex will likely be similar to) has many Necron forces operating under the motivations of their particular Lord and not any C'Tan. Who knows, maybe we will see a higher level Lord in the new codex, something more on the level of a Lord leading an entire tomb world or fleet, as opposed to the current Lord which is more like a battlefield commander.

Sorry but I don't see it. Especially with the Necrons losing apart of who they are every time they're transfered into a new body. And the Necron Lords are the favored servants of the C'tan. They woulden't have become the favored if they where hatefull and rebelous of them.

Except for the time that the C'tan were asleep for tens of thousands of years after the enslaver plagues, leaving MORE than enough time for the Necron Lords to potentially develop individual personalities, including personalities which are rebellious.

Except the Necron Lords where also asleep during that time period. Sorry but personally I don't think there will ever be a rebelous faction of the Necrons. Fighting against eachother for power sure, but not outright rebeling against the C'tan that's just me though

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:Except the Necron Lords where also asleep during that time period. Sorry but personally I don't think there will ever be a rebelous faction of the Necrons. Fighting against eachother for power sure, but not outright rebeling against the C'tan that's just me though

Then GW might as well just kill the army now, because the best part of the Necrons relies on at least some of them trying to worm their way out from under the C'tans' collective thumb.

AlexHolker wrote:

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:Except the Necron Lords where also asleep during that time period. Sorry but personally I don't think there will ever be a rebelous faction of the Necrons. Fighting against eachother for power sure, but not outright rebeling against the C'tan that's just me though

Then GW might as well just kill the army now, because the best part of the Necrons relies on at least some of them trying to worm their way out from under the C'tans' collective thumb.

Where do you get That from? It's not been in Any of the previous army fluff. I think it would be a cool concept if they put it into a new book, but the army by no means will fail if they don't.

I'd also like to know where you are getting that because it seems to me like this non existant rebelion being the coolest part is simply your opinion? and GW isn't going to can a perfetly fine (though out of date) army simply because you want a rebel faction. I've never seen anything that says that any Necrons have tried to rebel or ever would.

There is a differance between opperating independantly with a Necron Lord having some personailty and outright rebelion. And the Necrons have alot going for them without having to have a rebelous faction.

Heres an idea, regardless of how they would do it fluff wise what if they made it so that you could make your own C'tan? Say they had base stats and rules for them and then have a list of abilities as options and the C'tan could take one or two of them that would have some effect on the C'tan itself as well as its army.

Aduro wrote:Where do you get That from? It's not been in Any of the previous army fluff.

I get it from what in my opinion was the Golden Age of Necron fluff: back in 2nd edition when the Necrons were an unknown adversary that used weaponised teleporters, seemingly to collect specimens for some diabolical purpose. Then in 3rd they replaced that with thralldom to hungry C'tan. You can keep that, but I'd want the more sapient Necrons to be doing some extra collecting on the side for their own goal of breaking free of C'tan control.

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:I've never seen anything that says that any Necrons have tried to rebel or ever would.

There is a differance between opperating independantly with a Necron Lord having some personailty and outright rebelion. And the Necrons have alot going for them without having to have a rebelous faction.

Because of what the Necrontyr lost when they were transferred to their metal bodies, there are two options: they did so willingly and knowing the cost, or they were tricked. The first is boring and quite frankly ridiculous, the second allows for Necrons wanting to free themselves from C'tan control.

Heres an idea, regardless of how they would do it fluff wise what if they made it so that you could make your own C'tan? Say they had base stats and rules for them and then have a list of abilities as options and the C'tan could take one or two of them that would have some effect on the C'tan itself as well as its army.

No. Of all the creatures in the 40k universe, the C'tan are least deserving of such rules. There are only four of them in existence, and only three still active. Creating "Build your own C'tan" rules while Daemon Princes get the awe-inspiring choice of Mark/Wings/Power would be a slap in the face to everyone who has to put up with the 4th-5th edition "Less is more" nonsense.

Like I said REGARDLESS of how it would be done fluff wise considering GW always has a way of changing their fluff.

And please do tell what they lost? considering their short lives where turned into the equivlant of immortality, they gained leaders who are masters of the material realm and they defeated their ancient enemies the Old Ones. Now yes by entering into their current bodies they lost all semblances of a normal life but there is almost no referance as to what normal life was in Necrontyr culture other then they where highly advanced and lived short lives.

So all I see is someone who dosen't like the fact that the Necrons aren't tailored to what he wants and so he has set about complaining and saying "It shoulden't be made anymore if I don't get what I want". The Necrons will be perfectly fine in a plot sense even without having a rebelous faction that has never existed in their fluff and dosen't need to exist. And if you don't like the fact that GW dosen't tailor to your whim there is absolutly nothing forcing you to buy the new codex when it comes out or playing the army.

That being said, just because there isn't a rebel faction in the Necron fluff (and not likely to be one) dosen't mean that a person coulden't have a rebel faction of Necrons. Especially given the new take that the fluff indicates some Necron Lords believe themselves to be gods, it would make sense that one Lord (believing himself a god) would set out to try and destroy the other C'tan. It isn't really a instance of rebelion but instead of insanity/dillusion.

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:Like I said REGARDLESS of how it would be done fluff wise considering GW always has a way of changing their fluff.

And I told you anyway because trying to ignore the elephant in the room renders the whole question useless.

And please do tell what they lost?

Their right to self-determination. Their existence as more than slaves to the will of the C'tan.

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:Sorry but personally I don't think there will ever be a rebelous faction of the Necrons.

Yeah because GW never changes/rewrites/forgets what it has put forth for fluff already...

Never say never with GW, otherwise you get hit on the head by a Deepstriking Land Raider...

CT GAMER wrote:

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:Sorry but personally I don't think there will ever be a rebelous faction of the Necrons.

Yeah because GW never changes/rewrites/forgets what it has put forth for fluff already...

Never say never with GW, otherwise you get hit on the head by a Deepstriking Land Raider...

Or a Monolith that can go :gasp: 7!!!!! inches

I dont agree with the "Chaos Necrons" idea at all. You guys play way to much Space Marines if you ask me. The Necrons are all about their all powerful C'Tan, and I very much doubt they would change that huge of an advantage.




I really hope they are next, or damn close anyways. Ive been a pretty big fan of the Necrons for years, and I feel bad for them at present, they really need some umph. Any why nerf the Warscythe exactly? Its the only power weapon type weapon they can take isnt it? (not counting the Ctan or tomb spyders) And its not as if the Necron Lord gets a million attacks. So big deal youll loose 2ish guys a turn WHOA!!!!! STOP THE KILLING!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CT GAMER wrote:

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:Sorry but personally I don't think there will ever be a rebelous faction of the Necrons.

Yeah because GW never changes/rewrites/forgets what it has put forth for fluff already...

Never say never with GW, otherwise you get hit on the head by a Deepstriking Land Raider...

Good thing I didn't say never then isn't it

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:

And please do tell what they lost?

The Lords are the only ones who retain any semblance of their former self. The warriors are mindless automatons, the immortals are pretty much the same. Instead of masters of the galaxy they became slaves. Sounds like a big loss to me...

First thing people need to realize and accept is GW doesnt care for past history & fluff, and they WILL rewrite it to suit their current whim. They have done it before, they will do it again. Deal with it, its gonna happen. Period.

The biggest reason I see the C'Tan getting some big changes in roll is because players overall dont like them. Sure, they have great stats and get used in games, but overall they have been poorly received. People just dont care for them. Necrons lost a lot of fun and cool factor when the C'Tan got added. I remember loving Necrons when they were new, then when the codex with the C'Tan came out my first thought was "WTF is this bull...".

GW needs to add more dimension to the Necrons besides just being C'Tan slaves in order to broaden their appeal. If they dont the only market they will have is current Necron players updating their army, and the venture of the new releases will be a huge financial loss.

Necrons being stuck as nothing more than C'Tan slaves would be like making all SM Ultramarines, all Orks Goffs, all CSM Khorne Beserkers, etc. All the other races have many aspects to them, even the Tau.

As they sit now Necrons are almost pointless. They are nerfed almost beyond use. The "theme" of the race is one dimensional and frankly a bit weak. The only things currently going for them is cool models that are easy to paint.

However, they have huge potential.

Heres what Im thinking we will see, could be right or wrong, only time will tell.

1) New/retconned fluff

2) They get their firepower back, at least most of it.

3) C'Tan get a less prominent role in general, esp on the 40K level.

4) C'Tan possibly moved to Apoc level, possibly with at least the Void Dragon being added. Which is where they deserve to be, after all they are semi-gods and 40K cant really capture the power they should have.

5) More personality and independence from at least the Lords.

6) Last but not least...new models with plastics replacing many or all of the metals. Likely new units as well.

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:

CT GAMER wrote:

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:Sorry but personally I don't think there will ever be a rebelous faction of the Necrons.

Yeah because GW never changes/rewrites/forgets what it has put forth for fluff already...

Never say never with GW, otherwise you get hit on the head by a Deepstriking Land Raider...

Good thing I didn't say never then isn't it

Acually:

"don't think there will ever be"= never

You just said in six what could be said with one.

CT GAMER wrote:Never say never with GW, otherwise you get hit on the head by a Deepstriking Land Raider...

QFT and sigged

I'm having serious doubts any of this is true. I'm taking this with a bag of sodium chloride

Hmmm funny I thought me saying that "don't think there will ever be" ment "don't think there will ever be" not Never. Thank you for telling me what I said when in fact I didn't say it.

As far as the Necrons losing out so much you forget that they where servants to the C'tan prior to being turned into the Necrons. So saying that they became slaves instead of masters dosen't really work because 1. They where already slaves, 2.They gained immortality and 3. It is better to sit at the right hand of the devil then in his path. While they may be slaves to the C'tan they where still masters of the galaxy at one point and given enough time could do it again.

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:Hmmm funny I thought me saying that "don't think there will ever be" ment "don't think there will ever be" not Never. Thank you for telling me what I said when in fact I didn't say it.

Just wow...

Ok, fine. Since you don't seem to get it I will explain so its nice a clear for you.

If I had said "It will never happen" that is speaking in terms of an absolution. That is saying something as if my word is law and as soon as I say something it automatically becomes the way things are. It's speaking as if I had said something wouldn't happen there is no possible way it could.

But saying "Sorry but personally I don't ever think that there will be a rebelious faction of the Necrons" Is stating my opinion, beings as my opinion is not an absolution that means that it is possible it could happen I just don't think it ever will. And in case you can't see it there is a differance.

One is saying there is no chance it could ever happen. The other is saying it could but I don't think it ever will.

Now since we've had this little lesson in understanding what's been said I suggest that you get over the fact that I didn't say it would never happen. Stop making faces and comments as if I was a complete idiot. And let the thread continue on as normal.

Even if a Necron Lord does rebel, the C'tan would merely need to lift a finger and crush whats left of him, recycle him and retrive the rogue army.

But gauss weapons always wound on a 6! The C'tan doesn't stand a chance!

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:Ok, fine. Since you don't seem to get it I will explain so its nice a clear for you.

If I had said "It will never happen" that is speaking in terms of an absolution. That is saying something as if my word is law and as soon as I say something it automatically becomes the way things are. It's speaking as if I had said something wouldn't happen there is no possible way it could.

But saying "Sorry but personally I don't ever think that there will be a rebelious faction of the Necrons" Is stating my opinion, beings as my opinion is not an absolution that means that it is possible it could happen I just don't think it ever will. And in case you can't see it there is a differance.

One is saying there is no chance it could ever happen. The other is saying it could but I don't think it ever will.

Now since we've had this little lesson in understanding what's been said I suggest that you get over the fact that I didn't say it would never happen. Stop making faces and comments as if I was a complete idiot. And let the thread continue on as normal.

Feel better?

Good, now we can get back to discussing Necrons...

Of all things, Tyranids might actually be something closer in terms of personality to the Necrons. Individual Hive Tyrants have degrees of freedom from the Hive Mind, but still cannot outright rebel against it. Lords are the same to the C'tan. Giving individuality to the Necrons might cause backlash to the fluff people, since they are suppose to be soulless killing machines. However like everyone's already pointed out, GW does things on a whim.

I heard the C'tan was going to be written out of the book, since rule-wise they couldnt be properly represented (without people calling shenanigans at how "weak" they seem in-game).

samrtk wrote:Even if a Necron Lord does rebel, the C'tan would merely need to lift a finger and crush whats left of him, recycle him and retrive the rogue army.

I'm not sure it would be as easy as that but exactly

If the Necrons coulden't rebel against the C'tan when they where alive how would they be able to when they are for the most part machines.

KingCracker wrote:I dont agree with the "Chaos Necrons" idea at all. You guys play way to much Space Marines if you ask me. The Necrons are all about their all powerful C'Tan, and I very much doubt they would change that huge of an advantage.

Nobody said anything about "Chaos Necrons".

samrtk wrote:Even if a Necron Lord does rebel, the C'tan would merely need to lift a finger and crush whats left of him, recycle him and retrive the rogue army.

Which as I said, is boring as hell. If Necrons are immortal machines that don't do anything but serve the C'tan, you've just got a second Tyranid faction, with "feed the hive" replaced with "feed the C'tan".

Which is why if you make the goals of the Necrons dependant upon which C'Tan they serve, then it becomes more interesting - suddenly you've got four different methods of doing Necrons, and four different (and no-doubt mutually exclusive) goals.

Sadly, the way GW would implement this is just to have each C'Tan give you a few different special rules.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Which is why if you make the goals of the Necrons dependant upon which C'Tan they serve, then it becomes more interesting - suddenly you've got four different methods of doing Necrons, and four different (and no-doubt mutually exclusive) goals.

Sadly, the way GW would implement this is just to have each C'Tan give you a few different special rules.

Truth in that...and as I pointed out, similar to have chaos works...you play an army of a particular god it gets and does certain things. I could see GW pulling this with Necrons as well. You have an army supporting a given C'Tan, it gets and does certain things. Hell just look at the similarity...4 gods, 4 C'Tan. It would be a bit lazy of GW to do it that way, but then again so is having them be a single minded race, just like Tyranids.

In the end GW has several things to address...the unpopular C'Tan, the fact that army function and background are very one dimensional (even Tyranids have more flexibility), The current range of models are mostly metal and old, and the heavily nerfed rules.

I dont think the C'Tan will go away, just get reworked. Im personally hoping to have upcoming fluff awaken the Void Dragon and cause all kinds of fun and excitement on Mars.

Exactly how it ends up wont be known until the codex arrives. However those that point to recent books and new bits of fluff, that are pretty divergent from the old, are likely on the right track. GW may be dropping some hints.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Which is why if you make the goals of the Necrons dependant upon which C'Tan they serve, then it becomes more interesting - suddenly you've got four different methods of doing Necrons, and four different (and no-doubt mutually exclusive) goals.

It would be an improvement, but it's still the same old "All roads lead to C'tan" that made the 3rd edition codex so abnoxious.

Mad4Minis wrote:Im personally hoping to have upcoming fluff awaken the Void Dragon and cause all kinds of fun and excitement on Mars.

No. Not only does it waste what should have been a setting-shaping feat by the Emperor by using it as nothing more than another Sealed Evil in a Can, the likely consequence of the Void Dragon somehow escaping is that the Imperium dies.

AlexHolker wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:Which is why if you make the goals of the Necrons dependant upon which C'Tan they serve, then it becomes more interesting - suddenly you've got four different methods of doing Necrons, and four different (and no-doubt mutually exclusive) goals.

It would be an improvement, but it's still the same old "All roads lead to C'tan" that made the 3rd edition codex so abnoxious.

Mad4Minis wrote:Im personally hoping to have upcoming fluff awaken the Void Dragon and cause all kinds of fun and excitement on Mars.

No. Not only does it waste what should have been a setting-shaping feat by the Emperor by using it as nothing more than another Sealed Evil in a Can, the likely consequence of the Void Dragon somehow escaping is that the Imperium dies.

According to the 5th ed rulebook the Imperium IS dying. The void dragon waking, starting a rampage, and a good chunk of the Techpriests joining him would make a great catalyst for another Heresy level shakedown.

The Imperium has been top dog for too long. It needs to nearly fall, just in time for the Emperor to rise again and reform it in its former glory. Thats where they have been heading since day one. They have milked the "holding the Imperium together by a thread" thing for what 20+ years? Its time to take the next step in the story line.

So much anger in a rumor/speculation thread about a Codex that is a long ways away.

I hate the Necrons even more now than ever before!

Please endeavor to NOT make it personal in here, OK everyone?

I can see where HBMC is going and I agree. There is not a lot of fluff going for Necrons; they hate all living things and are mindless for the most part etc, etc. A bit like Nids.

Opening this up to various styles dependant upon C'Tan will work wonders but if rumours are true that it will be in the next few months it's too late to change.

Am I the only one who finds the core necron plastics far to bland and undetailed compared to current gen-plastics? People seem to be turned off due to the uniform fluff and limited personalization options... I can only imagine the warriors being relatively undetailed and limited in pose can only contribute to that. Do you guys agree they are a bit... mushy and plain on taking another look at them beside DE or BA? Or do you feel they are perfectly servicable as is?

I wonder what the chances are of them re-doing any of the plastics... Sorry if this question has already been put forward, I only saw the 'bone-giant' and 'big tomb spider' rumors earlier.

Elmodiddly wrote:I can see where HBMC is going and I agree. There is not a lot of fluff going for Necrons; they hate all living things and are mindless for the most part etc, etc. A bit like Nids.

Tyranids don't hate all living things. They love them. With barbecue sauce.

Balance wrote:Tyranids don't hate all living things. They love them. With barbecue sauce.

MajorTom11 wrote:Am I the only one who finds the core necron plastics far to bland and undetailed compared to current gen-plastics? People seem to be turned off due to the uniform fluff and limited personalization options... I can only imagine the warriors being relatively undetailed and limited in pose can only contribute to that. Do you guys agree they are a bit... mushy and plain on taking another look at them beside DE or BA? Or do you feel they are perfectly servicable as is?

I wonder what the chances are of them re-doing any of the plastics... Sorry if this question has already been put forward, I only saw the 'bone-giant' and 'big tomb spider' rumors earlier.

I love the current Necron plastics. I don't think they need to redo them at all. Except maybe the Monolith, I'd love for that to get something that looked more like super advanced alien tech, rather than big block. But the Warriors and Destroyers remain one of my favorite plastic kits, even with their general lack of detail compared to the new new plastics. I like and appreciate that lack of detail and overall sameness, as well as the mindlessness of their fluff, as one of my key draws to the faction. It's the one army where I Like spamming a lot of the same units and same styled stuff.

I just want them to add plastic Immortals, plastic Flayed Ones, and a plastic Tomb Spyder the size of a Carnifex. A second rung to that wish list is a plastic Lord kit, where He can have all the extra details and doodads similar to what the plastic Marine and Chaos Lords get. Only reason the Lord's second rung really is because I already have something like six Lords built up for various roles and purposes.

Aduro wrote:

MajorTom11 wrote:Am I the only one who finds the core necron plastics far to bland and undetailed compared to current gen-plastics? People seem to be turned off due to the uniform fluff and limited personalization options... I can only imagine the warriors being relatively undetailed and limited in pose can only contribute to that. Do you guys agree they are a bit... mushy and plain on taking another look at them beside DE or BA? Or do you feel they are perfectly servicable as is?

I wonder what the chances are of them re-doing any of the plastics... Sorry if this question has already been put forward, I only saw the 'bone-giant' and 'big tomb spider' rumors earlier.

I love the current Necron plastics. I don't think they need to redo them at all. Except maybe the Monolith, I'd love for that to get something that looked more like super advanced alien tech, rather than big block. But the Warriors and Destroyers remain one of my favorite plastic kits, even with their general lack of detail compared to the new new plastics. I like and appreciate that lack of detail and overall sameness, as well as the mindlessness of their fluff, as one of my key draws to the faction. It's the one army where I Like spamming a lot of the same units and same styled stuff.

I just want them to add plastic Immortals, plastic Flayed Ones, and a plastic Tomb Spyder the size of a Carnifex. A second rung to that wish list is a plastic Lord kit, where He can have all the extra details and doodads similar to what the plastic Marine and Chaos Lords get. Only reason the Lord's second rung really is because I already have something like six Lords built up for various roles and purposes.

I agree, I think the Necron plastics are great kits they just need more of them. Also the thought of a multi part plastic Nec Lord makes me drool (although I really like my plastic one on foot converted from a Destroyer )

Fair enough! For me, it's a lot to do with the faces, in the art when they released, the illustrations looked very creepy and somber to me, whereas the plastics look very cartoony and lacked the subtlety of expression.

However, that's just me, I am still looking forward to seeing what they come up with too!

Actually I like the "sameness" in the necrons. For me it fits the fluff. There really isn't any kinda individuality, just rows and rows of mindless robots marching forward killing anything that's alive. Thats how I think of em anyway.

Necros wrote:Actually I like the "sameness" in the necrons. For me it fits the fluff. There really isn't any kinda individuality, just rows and rows of mindless robots marching forward killing anything that's alive. Thats how I think of em anyway.

In general, I agree with this. The Necrons are, ultimately, the result of an entire race submitting to a greater power (the C'Tan) and being horribly doomed for it. They should be alien and otherly.

Aduro wrote:I just want them to add plastic Immortals, plastic Flayed Ones, and a plastic Tomb Spyder the size of a Carnifex. A second rung to that wish list is a plastic Lord kit, where He can have all the extra details and doodads similar to what the plastic Marine and Chaos Lords get. Only reason the Lord's second rung really is because I already have something like six Lords built up for various roles and purposes.

According to StickMonkey from Warseer you're going to get at least some of your wishes:

StickMonkey wrote:Looks like the dead machines may rise again in 2011. I have good information that Necrons should see a revision following GK. What I have heard:

New Codex drops mid year.
WBB changes to FNP for "most" units
New HQ options include "One" new C'Tan. Nightbringer and Deceiver to get new models...and at least one will have optional "incarnations"
New Tomb Spider plastic model. option to create alternate model that is Heavy artillery.
New fast cc focus unit. jump infantry. warrior sized.
new models for immortals.
new "tank" - could be the TS based artillery just referenced from different source.
new MC walker - likely the rumored "Necronmancer" - may be HQ or Heavy-conflicting rumors here.
New plastic Lord with all options.
New named Lord metal blister
New Monolith option...not represented in models to be released.

MajorTom11 wrote:Fair enough! For me, it's a lot to do with the faces, in the art when they released, the illustrations looked very creepy and somber to me, whereas the plastics look very cartoony and lacked the subtlety of expression.

However, that's just me, I am still looking forward to seeing what they come up with too!

That all depends upon how they're posed and painted. Loads of people go for the boring "hold weapon in front" thing and end up with a Necron who looks like they've just broken their back. Not being big headed but I wanted to avoid the usual look so tried out some different poses and it worked not too bad:

Some more quotes by stickmonkey on Necrons:

A very unreliable rumor source has all the C'Tan models moving to 60mm base sized MCs. That would almost certainly indicate plastic given GW's desire not to build big metal models.

Now that said, they have not to my knowledge ever produced a unique character model in plastic yet.

And to reiterate, this is a very "unreliable" rumor source...i have been fed BS from them before, even though they are in a position to know...so I did not include it above.

(On the question if both WBB and FNP will be present: )
the way it sounds is there are a few units with a WBB rule that is specific. But it is not the rule everyone is used to. I have nothing further to add here, sorry.

Other rumors on warseer have pointed to phase out going to unit basis...not army. but i havent had anything specific recently.

I'm not really thrilled with the FnP cop out but meh.

Even if they have what is essentially FNP rulewise, but just rename it WBB I'll be ok with that. Just seems a tad bit more flavorful.

Though unique rules are always more fun

I'm hoping at least half of StickMonkey's rumors are true! Jump Infantry Necrons would be nice to add to their lack of mobility but I don't think it really suits them. New artillery units sound amazing! A new monolith variant as well! I love it.

To add to the fluff discussion. I think it is possible for the Necron Lords to have a bit of independent thought. In the Blood Angels codex it mentions in the Gehenna Campaign the Blood Angels and Necrons teamed up to fight a Tyranid splinter fleet. After defeating them they parted ways without further fighting. It seems to me that if they were mindlessly under the direct command of the C'tan they would have continued attacking the Blood Angels.

The Different C'tan having different strategies seems lazy but it makes sense and I'm fine with it. They did praise different C'tan and had their own followers so I could see it being possible for different factions of Necrons. Its also possible for them to have fought, especially when the C'tan started turning on each other.

Maybe The Outsider will explode and all of the C'tan it consumed will be set free or something like that (reminds me of how Zeus set his brothers and sisters free from his father). Also although this sounds trivial I'm excited to see what new paint schemes they come up with. Out of all the armies I own the Necrons have been the hardest for me in terms of finding a paint scheme I like (finally decided on one ) so it will be cool to see what new schemes GW has come up with. Unless they just paint tham all the same boring silver

l0k1 wrote:I'm hoping at least half of StickMonkey's rumors are true!

You and me both. I dont really care about the WBB-FNP bit. If all those other rumors are good then Ill be in Necron mini heaven.

Kroothawk wrote:Some more quotes by stickmonkey on Necrons:

A very unreliable rumor source has all the C'Tan models moving to 60mm base sized MCs. That would almost certainly indicate plastic given GW's desire not to build big metal models.

Now that said, they have not to my knowledge ever produced a unique character model in plastic yet.

And to reiterate, this is a very "unreliable" rumor source...i have been fed BS from them before, even though they are in a position to know...so I did not include it above.

(On the question if both WBB and FNP will be present: )
the way it sounds is there are a few units with a WBB rule that is specific. But it is not the rule everyone is used to. I have nothing further to add here, sorry.

Other rumors on warseer have pointed to phase out going to unit basis...not army. but i havent had anything specific recently.

There was a popular rumor going around before about Necrons gaining something called the Necromancer (cant recall the name exactly, but I think this was it, since it didnt fit at all with what the unit was suppose to be), which was suppose to be similar (or equivallent) to that of the WHFB Bone Giant. This might be a MC plastic Kit designed to replace the Ctans, as the majority of the rumors also indicate that GW might be phasing them out due to not being able to represent them well on the tabletop.

I dont think the C'tan are BAD, they certainly aren't great. They have some ok abilities but I think their main problem is their cost. 360pts for a Nightbringer is quite a bit of points to sink into 1 model that doesn't count towards phase out. If it was 250 and could move 12' a turn it would be much more appealing.

I was hoping that the C'tan may have been taken out of the codex and put into the Apoc codex, seeing as the fluff makes them seem more on a par with a Titan or gargantuan creature. I can't see that happening though.

Personally, I'd just be happy with at least one more troops choice, and Rending special rules to Wraiths and Flayed ones.

I'd like to see the following

- Flayed Ones, possibly even Immortals moved to Troop choice or have them become a Troop choice if you take a specific unit

- Cheaper and more effective C'tan

- WBB/FNP either or really

- Phase out specific to unit or removed all together

- More Dakka Dakka. Necrons don't have enough heavy weapons

- Flayed One/Wraith Claws classified as CC weapons

- Plastic elites. Elites are way to expensive to buy and run full units for me

- Gauss Rule changed to Rending

- More options for the units. The Necron army is more one dimensional than their fluff. The only way to really customize your army is to paint it a different color or bash it.

Flayed ones/wraiths need power weapons or rending at the very least.

Phase out rule needs some serious reworking/dropping. Necrons should be able to just send troops into the mincer without thought. Mayeb phase out will depend on the C'tan instead as with necromancers in fantasy?

They really need a second troop choice to give them some options. Maybe even some transports - thinking "Phantom Menace" troop ships ...

The whole phase out thing was a balance to the WBB rule. However, if WBB gets dropped ofr FNP then Id say its fair to remove the mandatory phase out. Im sure it will remain in the fluff, necrons phase out when beaten instead of retreat/run...but game wise it can go.

Plastic models replacing some or all of the metals is pretty much a guarantee.

Mad4Minis wrote:Im personally hoping to have upcoming fluff awaken the Void Dragon and cause all kinds of fun and excitement on Mars.

Except that would advance the plot, unless the Void Dragon awakening is yet another event that just happens to occur in 999.M41.

40K fluff is vague and arbitrary (look at the Tyranid Codex for the best examples of this - suddenly there's a Swarmlord, and look at this Craftworld we invented just to kill it off a paragraph later for the sole purpose of this new 'Doom' unit). Anything new has to slot into the existing fluff in a method that doesn't rock the boat.

MajorTom11 wrote:Am I the only one who finds the core necron plastics far to bland and undetailed compared to current gen-plastics? People seem to be turned off due to the uniform fluff and limited personalization options... I can only imagine the warriors being relatively undetailed and limited in pose can only contribute to that. Do you guys agree they are a bit... mushy and plain on taking another look at them beside DE or BA? Or do you feel they are perfectly servicable as is?

I think the "cloned army of robots" is what defines them. Their physical form is symbolic of their fluff: the loss of identity and imprisonment in a new robotic form.

I don't think Necrons need to be "blinged out" like GW feels every SM model needs to be these days tbh...

CT GAMER wrote:

MajorTom11 wrote:Am I the only one who finds the core necron plastics far to bland and undetailed compared to current gen-plastics? People seem to be turned off due to the uniform fluff and limited personalization options... I can only imagine the warriors being relatively undetailed and limited in pose can only contribute to that. Do you guys agree they are a bit... mushy and plain on taking another look at them beside DE or BA? Or do you feel they are perfectly servicable as is?

I think the "cloned army of robots" is what defines them. Their physical form is symbolic of their fluff: the loss of identity and imprisonment in a new robotic form.

I don't think Necrons need to be "blinged out" like GW feels every SM model needs to be these days tbh...

Ill agree for most of them. It would be nice to customize the Lords, as they have some individuality to them. The basic warriors definitely need to stay pretty plain.

MajorTom11 wrote:Am I the only one who finds the core necron plastics far to bland and undetailed compared to current gen-plastics? People seem to be turned off due to the uniform fluff and limited personalization options... I can only imagine the warriors being relatively undetailed and limited in pose can only contribute to that. Do you guys agree they are a bit... mushy and plain on taking another look at them beside DE or BA? Or do you feel they are perfectly servicable as is?

I wonder what the chances are of them re-doing any of the plastics... Sorry if this question has already been put forward, I only saw the 'bone-giant' and 'big tomb spider' rumors earlier.

I'm with you. And I'll take it a step farther. Personally I think Necrons are a bit of a conceptual mess, mostly because they haven't properly meshed the source themes. And Warriors are one of the best examples of this.

The sleek, streamlined Warrior models are fine for the Terminator-killer robot-high tech themes in the army, but don't work well with the Lovecraft-ancient horror-Egyptian themes. The latter implies *ornateness* IMO. There's virtually nothing there that communicates "remnants of a lost civilization" other than the ankh on the chest.

Give Warriors some inlaid Necrontyr hieroglyphics, head/headress options, more poses, etc. and then maybe we'd be in business. I know others won't agree with me on this right now, but also think that some of you would come around if GW properly executed on them.

Unfortunately, the scant rumors we have seem to indicate the miniature line isn't getting a DE-style do-over. And that's unfortunate because of the many missed opportunities in the line.

gorgon wrote:
The sleek, streamlined Warrior models are fine for the Terminator-killer robot-high tech themes in the army, but don't work well with the Lovecraft-ancient horror-Egyptian themes. The latter implies *ornateness* IMO. There's virtually nothing there that communicates "remnants of a lost civilization" other than the ankh on the chest.

Give Warriors some inlaid Necrontyr hieroglyphics, head/headress options, more poses, etc. and then maybe we'd be in business. I know others won't agree with me on this right now, but also think that some of you would come around if GW properly executed on them.

Unfortunately, the scant rumors we have seem to indicate the miniature line isn't getting a DE-style do-over. And that's unfortunate because of the many missed opportunities in the line.

Seems like a prime opportunity for one or more of the many conversion bit companies to jump in and cash in on (making a variety of alt heads, torsos, bling, etc.), that is if they can stop making Space marine components long enough...

Ill agree on more poses. They could do that as an add on kit, rather than a whole new box set if they really wanted to.

Mad4Minis wrote:Ill agree on more poses. They could do that as an add on kit, rather than a whole new box set if they really wanted to.

i agree with more poses, but think that each individual Necron Warrior should look the same. even marines used to all look 99% the same in a squad except for a sarge - don't get me wrong, i like the move toward individualization in the various SM armies (new BA being the best example. very well done) but Necrons have a very different design sensibility and background feel.

no matter what they do, i'm interested in what they do end up doing.

About the only new poses they'd need would be a set of wal;king legs, and a set of arms golding the gun up with one hand. Could pretty easily recut that into the sprue I would think. Otherwise the Necron Warriors are very easy to give different poses to I think, far more so than pretty much anything else GW's got.

Actually I am fine with all miniatures from the Necron range, which is a compliment for such an old miniature range. Of course new miniatures are always welcome, and give the Wraiths some decent rules finally! And make the army competitive again!

my crons are still on my shelf awaiting the new codex

talking with my contact at forge world and necrons will be featuring in the imperial armour 11 ( i.e not the next one but the one after that )

this will be released around u.k games day next year 2011 and it seems likly that the necron codex will be around that time so oct 2011 the grey knight codex WILL be out around easter 2011 the month after the new ( but very poor ) storm raven model gets released ( used by GK as well)

hope this is of interest to people and have a happy xmas

Honestly, the last thing I'd want is more Egyptian theme on the Necrons. "Khemri in Space" is not what I'm looking for.

asimo77 wrote:Even if they have what is essentially FNP rulewise, but just rename it WBB I'll be ok with that. Just seems a tad bit more flavorful.

Though unique rules are always more fun

It would be nice if they did away with the AP restriction on FNP for the crons as well, same as it is for WBB currently. That's my biggest complaint about FNP for crons is that AP 1/AP 2 negate FNP but not WBB.

Ups and downs for both rules. :(

Kevin949 wrote:

asimo77 wrote:Even if they have what is essentially FNP rulewise, but just rename it WBB I'll be ok with that. Just seems a tad bit more flavorful.

Though unique rules are always more fun

It would be nice if they did away with the AP restriction on FNP for the crons as well, same as it is for WBB currently. That's my biggest complaint about FNP for crons is that AP 1/AP 2 negate FNP but not WBB.

Ups and downs for both rules. :(

I'd be shocked if the necrons lost their Orb of Resurrection, which would no doubt allow them to make a Feel no Pain roll versus any unsaved wound. FNP that can not be neutralized will keep them as persistent an adversary as ever.

I guess I'll wait to buy my friend his Necron Codex for Christmas.

Neconilis wrote:

Kevin949 wrote:

asimo77 wrote:Even if they have what is essentially FNP rulewise, but just rename it WBB I'll be ok with that. Just seems a tad bit more flavorful.

Though unique rules are always more fun

It would be nice if they did away with the AP restriction on FNP for the crons as well, same as it is for WBB currently. That's my biggest complaint about FNP for crons is that AP 1/AP 2 negate FNP but not WBB.

Ups and downs for both rules. :(

I'd be shocked if the necrons lost their Orb of Resurrection, which would no doubt allow them to make a Feel no Pain roll versus any unsaved wound. FNP that can not be neutralized will keep them as persistent an adversary as ever.

I doubt they'd be losing it as well, but with the weakness of FNP (vs. WBB) and the possibility of phase out not going away completely (even on a unit level it would suck) just means that even more weapons will take down necrons easier.

Obviously it's all speculation at this point, but I really enjoy the fact that las cannons don't negate my WBB on half my army. If changed to FNP it will negate FNP on the entire army (res orb not accounted for in this instance). Hell, even plasma pistols will be far more deadly than they are now to necrons. I just really like the fact that WBB has no AP restriction on being negated as it allows a little breathing room on what I should and should not be worried about.

Devilsquid wrote:Honestly, the last thing I'd want is more Egyptian theme on the Necrons. "Khemri in Space" is not what I'm looking for.

No, but Cthulhu in space is what I'm looking for with them.

Theme wise I hope they play up the abduction and sickly experiments. Sorta like real world "alien greys". I think it's far creepier and scarier when you just find your livestock with all its organs surgically removed. Or people go missing after a bright green light is seen in the sky. People waking up with strange implants, and so on.

For you guys that read xenology that's the kind of cron I'm hoping for: experimenting, observing. Also the picture of the necron in xenology is kinda creepy. A bit in the Uncanny Valley territory, IMO

Also taken from a warseer post but these are the kinda stories I'm hoping to see more of: "the taking of the unfortunate child on N'Kele (Index Xenos: Necrons, in White Dwarf 271, pg.23), the abductions during the Gakal Atrocities ('Dying Flame: The Last Stand of the Firbrands' in White Dwarf 287, pg.67 (amoungst others eg. Cthelmax (Codex: Necrons, pg.59), and the boy who had his glands removed (BFG Armada, pg.78)."

In summary: More crop circles! (Their hieroglypics kinda look like crop circles come to think of it)

Kevin949 wrote:

Neconilis wrote:

Kevin949 wrote:

asimo77 wrote:Even if they have what is essentially FNP rulewise, but just rename it WBB I'll be ok with that. Just seems a tad bit more flavorful.

Though unique rules are always more fun

It would be nice if they did away with the AP restriction on FNP for the crons as well, same as it is for WBB currently. That's my biggest complaint about FNP for crons is that AP 1/AP 2 negate FNP but not WBB.

Ups and downs for both rules. :(

I'd be shocked if the necrons lost their Orb of Resurrection, which would no doubt allow them to make a Feel no Pain roll versus any unsaved wound. FNP that can not be neutralized will keep them as persistent an adversary as ever.

I doubt they'd be losing it as well, but with the weakness of FNP (vs. WBB) and the possibility of phase out not going away completely (even on a unit level it would suck) just means that even more weapons will take down necrons easier.

Obviously it's all speculation at this point, but I really enjoy the fact that las cannons don't negate my WBB on half my army. If changed to FNP it will negate FNP on the entire army (res orb not accounted for in this instance). Hell, even plasma pistols will be far more deadly than they are now to necrons. I just really like the fact that WBB has no AP restriction on being negated as it allows a little breathing room on what I should and should not be worried about.

True, though I would assume WBB would be removed as well. But we'll have to see.

Aduro wrote: Could pretty easily recut that into the sprue I would think.

I work in plastic injection molding and I can tell you it would be very difficult if not impossible to modify a mold that way. The only realistic way to do it would be to make an entirely new mold for that sprue. That is not terribly likely as molds are very, very expensive. If they were going to do anything it would either be completely new warrior models or a small sprue with just the parts needed to mod the current figs.

Honestly I dont think either is likely. Id say GW is going to focus on bringing the metal models to plastic and adding new stuff.

What if they made Necron Lords similar to Eldar Autarchs in that you could take differant pieces of wargear from differant units like they do now with the Destroyers. Like claws of a Flayed one that have a special rule or the body of a Wraith etc.

That was be incredibly awesome, given half my lords are converted as being lord versions of the normal units, including a flayed one and a wraith lord.

That would be cool. I also hope we get some AP 2-3 weapons. :( Not much for AP right now. Itd be interesting if they changed D fields for the warriors to 1 or 2 per unit and a little more expensive but are considered to have power weapons in CC.

Also something I think would be cool as another HQ is something like a Necron version of a Liche Priest. I know that Necrons greatest enemy are psykers so they woulden't have any psykers of their own but it could be an anti psyker unit. So pretty much a more powerfull Pariah and in addition to having anti psychic powers it could also have a greater effect on Ld.

To me it makes sense because 1. The C'tan are trying to close off the warp completly so it would make sense that they would have a more powerfull Pariah variant to protect their armies and 2. They coulden't give the ability to a Necron Lord because the Pariah gene has only been found in humans (which I didn't know that Pariahs actually had organic components). Maybe it could even be a Black Pariah, plus I am a firm believer that GW just tried to take Tomb Kings units and translate them to 40k (I mean come on heavy and light chariots=heavy and light destroyers) and so this would be a good translation of a Liche Priest as it would even still have flesh which out of the TK the Liche Priests are the only ones not mummified.

After the necron codex what will be next?

Well chances are that whatever is happening with the Inquisition codices will happen first so if Witch Hunters are released at the same time as Daemon Hunters then Necrons would deffinitly be the last codex that gets an update to be more current. But if they don't release Witch Hunters at the same time as Daemon Hunters it will be after Necrons and then maybe Tau. But then of course there are the WHFB codices that will be done in there to, O&G is supposed to be next for Fantasy followed by Tomb Kings.

At least that's how I see/think it all would happen given recent chatter.

CT GAMER wrote:

gorgon wrote:
The sleek, streamlined Warrior models are fine for the Terminator-killer robot-high tech themes in the army, but don't work well with the Lovecraft-ancient horror-Egyptian themes. The latter implies *ornateness* IMO. There's virtually nothing there that communicates "remnants of a lost civilization" other than the ankh on the chest.

Give Warriors some inlaid Necrontyr hieroglyphics, head/headress options, more poses, etc. and then maybe we'd be in business. I know others won't agree with me on this right now, but also think that some of you would come around if GW properly executed on them.

Unfortunately, the scant rumors we have seem to indicate the miniature line isn't getting a DE-style do-over. And that's unfortunate because of the many missed opportunities in the line.

Seems like a prime opportunity for one or more of the many conversion bit companies to jump in and cash in on (making a variety of alt heads, torsos, bling, etc.), that is if they can stop making Space marine components long enough...

I'ver always thought that while the necron models looked cool, they definitely didn't meet their potential. If I had a scanner handy I'd show it to you, but I think the picture next to the necron warrior entry in the codex is exactly what necrons should look like. Loose cables and wires, and warped, tarnished metal. Maybe someone else has it so they can post it? A quick google search yielded nothing.

I feel like that sorta look is just left to conversions. Seems like a whole lot of work to redesign warriors for a small change.

Though it would be cool if there was a new unit type that represented heavily degraded warriors that looked like that. They would be a hell of a lot weaker but cheaper.

Maybe have a synapse-esque rule to show they need to be constantly watched by a necron lord or they just crumble into robotic shambles.

misterfiveseven wrote:

CT GAMER wrote:

gorgon wrote:
The sleek, streamlined Warrior models are fine for the Terminator-killer robot-high tech themes in the army, but don't work well with the Lovecraft-ancient horror-Egyptian themes. The latter implies *ornateness* IMO. There's virtually nothing there that communicates "remnants of a lost civilization" other than the ankh on the chest.

Give Warriors some inlaid Necrontyr hieroglyphics, head/headress options, more poses, etc. and then maybe we'd be in business. I know others won't agree with me on this right now, but also think that some of you would come around if GW properly executed on them.

Unfortunately, the scant rumors we have seem to indicate the miniature line isn't getting a DE-style do-over. And that's unfortunate because of the many missed opportunities in the line.

Seems like a prime opportunity for one or more of the many conversion bit companies to jump in and cash in on (making a variety of alt heads, torsos, bling, etc.), that is if they can stop making Space marine components long enough...

I'ver always thought that while the necron models looked cool, they definitely didn't meet their potential. If I had a scanner handy I'd show it to you, but I think the picture next to the necron warrior entry in the codex is exactly what necrons should look like. Loose cables and wires, and warped, tarnished metal. Maybe someone else has it so they can post it? A quick google search yielded nothing.

Exactly the look I was talking about... more rounded and lanky, and there was actually a neck present. Tall and ethereal, looking as much like a shambling and dishevelled corpse as a boxy terminator. The face design too with rounded sockedts and more of a grimace was also better in the concept art than the actual mini's for me.

They need to release the dragon, and it needs to be less a dragon and more a Terminator Cthulhu.
Immortals need a plastic kit, they are too expensive.
I'd like to see a plastic Spyder kit and a new looks for them. I kind of like the current model, and kind of don't, all at the same time, but it looks nothing like the pictures in the codex.
The Tomb Stalker is awesome (I've actually fielded it), so a kit for that would be cool with some different options for guns. Should have had the Immortals Guass Blasters (assault 2) anyway, so they could shoot and attack.
Pariahs can be left alone model wise, but they need to be a little stronger for their downside (non-Necron).
Beyond that, I don't want to get into wish-listing, but another vehicle, MC, something funky and weird...

So GK were rumored to be January's release, but on the GK rumor page it seems like its been pushed back. Could this mean that the Necron's codex could be pushed forward to take its place?

l0k1 wrote:So GK were rumored to be January's release, but on the GK rumor page it seems like its been pushed back. Could this mean that the Necron's codex could be pushed forward to take its place?

No.

Actually this whole thread being allowed to be open so long is a bit strange Imo, since it is based on "what some store owner told someone", which is more likely to be balony than actual credible information. We might not even see Necrons at all in 2011.

Confirmed:

jan. Skaven 2nd wave
feb. Blood Angels 2nd wave
mar. Orcs & Goblins complete new release

Almost confirmed:

apr/may. Grey Knights
jun. Flyers

TBD wrote:
Actually this whole thread being allowed to be open so long is a bit strange Imo, since it is based on "what some store owner told someone", which is more likely to be balony than actual credible information. We might not even see Necrons at all in 2011.

That bit wasn't too bad then you said

Almost confirmed:

apr/may. Grey Knights
jun. Flyers

Unless it is in writing from GW then everything else is conjecture and nonsense. You can't have almost confirmed! It either is, or is not.

Someone might know something but those people are few and far between it's the same on the GK thread and rumour mill.

lol

The thread was 15 days old. Not necessarily "necromany", imo. Although he didn't add anything to the conversation.

For what it's worth, a GW employee confirmed the Necromancer (Dreadnought sized Cron beastie) as legit.

If it's true or not I couldn't say but it is one more confirmation.

He also said he has heard all kinds of talk about flyers in Summer time with the POSSIBILITY of a T-Hawk in addition to the Storm Raven (which he guesses will be released for all Marine Chapters).

So a lot of that is conjecture based on rumor, salt to taste.

Fun to think about though.

puma713 wrote:The thread was 15 days old. Not necessarily "necromany", imo. Although he didn't add anything to the conversation.

Probably true, but it was over two weeks old. I just really love that picture and the chance to use it.




Somehow with the Necromancer, I was expecting something WHFB Giant sized. I'm not familiar with the Tomb Kings thing, but the picture I had in my mind was larger than a dreadnought. Ah well.

I don't care about Storm Ravens or T-Hawks so long as my Eldar get the flyers they so richly deserve.

What's the 'Necromancer'? Lame name, doesn't sound very GW.

If you kill it, all of your skeletons will crumble!

So as this thread passed its "we'll be back" roll, I can add stickmonkey rumour here:

On the necron front, sources say the dead will rise when the souls come out to play this year.

So to me this hints at a November release (after Halloween).

Kroothawk wrote:So as this thread passed its "we'll be back" roll, I can add stickmonkey rumour here:

On the necron front, sources say the dead will rise when the souls come out to play this year.

So to me this hints at a November release (after Halloween).

Nah, halloween is basically 'celebrated' all October. Like Christmas is 'celebrated' in all of december,
October would make a lot more sense.

i heard October as well...GW source...ill bet the people who make the actual release schedule dont even know for sure untill shortly before...its not like a new issue of WD or something...its a massive coordinated invasion of stores world wide...one slight hiccup could delay a release by months...

I just hope all this waiting is worth it. Another year, another amount of time spent waiting and hoping.

Flayed 0ne wrote:i heard October as well...GW source...ill bet the people who make the actual release schedule dont even know for sure untill shortly before...its not like a new issue of WD or something...its a massive coordinated invasion of stores world wide...one slight hiccup could delay a release by months...

They have a giant wooden wheel in the break room at the GW Headquarters. And, every few months, they toss a dart at the spinning wheel. Where ever it lands, that's what gets released. Be it Skaven, Blood Angels, Tyranids, Knights of the Blazing Sun, Flyers, WFB 8th Edition, Necrons.

I don't even play Necrons (nor do I want to...) but I'm really hoping they get they update soon. One of my buddies plays 'Crons, and I can't help but feel bad for him, because he really does like the army, he's just so hindered by old rules versus very fresh codices (Dark Eldar, Space Wolves, Tyranids, IG) and I would love to see him get a bit of a boost, as well as awesome new models.

Flayed 0ne wrote:ill bet the people who make the actual release schedule dont even know for sure untill shortly before...its not like a new issue of WD or something...its a massive coordinated invasion of stores world wide...one slight hiccup could delay a release by months...

You do realize there's a two or three month lead time on White Dwarf, right?

Look at all the other new codices. I will be very honest. I think the new Necron Codex will allow Necron players to shatter our dreams and haunt our nightmares with their armies.

As opposed to walking sloooowly up the field and being pie-plated to oblivion I could live with that...

Ascalam wrote:As opposed to walking sloooowly up the field and being pie-plated to oblivion I could live with that...

Agreed. Necrons used to be the "oh no, not them" army. They were the Space Wolves of the xeno armies. Sure, that means they were a bit over powered, but that was part of the cool bit. Yes, it allowed WAAC players a field day, but good players loved the challenged and theres nothing like doing a bit of giant killing now and then.

Tiny Tiny guns.

Very nice model, but probably a pain to assemble

Any new info on the proposed FNP instead of We'll be back? I've seen the rumor back and forth saying they have both, to saying just FNP. Anyone have two cents on this?

Flayed 0ne wrote:i heard October as well...GW source...ill bet the people who make the actual release schedule dont even know for sure untill shortly before...its not like a new issue of WD or something...its a massive coordinated invasion of stores world wide...one slight hiccup could delay a release by months...

Or maybe the referance to the dead walking refers to november 1st, the day of the dead. Would make since being that they're necrons and all.... just my two cents

Whats all this talk of necrons capturing people? I thought they hated everyone...

Pariahs are captured and remade into Necron Anti-Psyker warriors. The rest are fed to the C'Tan. However, a borg like slave drone squad would be very cool, but perhaps should be supported with specific Fluff from a new C'tan that favors some sort of organic machine hybrid.

or an old one- The Dragon aka The Machine God
Adeptus Mechanicus are basically fundie borg. Scary

Happygrunt wrote:Whats all this talk of necrons capturing people? I thought they hated everyone...

There's a reason I used the word "harvest" and not "capture". Just because I suggested they took their enemies alive, because the C'tan prefer their victims fresh or to better aid their own experiments, does not mean they are treating their enemies with kid gloves.

I hope Necrons come out because 40k is sorely missing armies that can get FnP on all their guys

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Kirasu wrote:I hope Necrons come out because 40k is sorely missing armies that can get FnP on all their guys

...

That's one reason I really hope they don't change their WBB to just a universal FNP. Give it some flavor at least!

I really hate fnp, but thats just because i have way to meny pinning weapons.

I have a sizeable necron army amongsy many others, with a Pylon :3

So if that gets included in non apocalypse, it will be rather funny, and yeah back on topic, my GW dude said that he thought it would be around Feb/Mar a while back, but i guess it could have been put back....

I would love to see an necron army take the field again as i've only every played them once (which was actually less then i play Dark eldar before their new dex). its such a cool concept but i would want less termitor to more acient race of machines that brought gaxaly to its knees. Just a qustioni belive mass effect 3 comes out around summmer that has the reapers (ancient machines bent on destroying all life) so could GW be planing on useing that as i boast to sails? just an idea.

Well I think it's about time.

IMO All the codex should be updated my now.
Look at SoB, they're so out of date.

oldone wrote:I would love to see an Necron army take the field again...

Played a 2K point battle last week versus Eldar. The Eldar found attacking a 2 x 'lith standard Necron phalanx like walking into a bandsaw, due in part to them being overly tentative in getting into assault. Their vehicles & troops ended up being gaussed into immobility & stripped of weapons in short order.


I'm doing my bit to keep the soulless standard flying!

IIRC any GW rep is forbidden to speak of things like this, all of their plans are supposed to be under lock and key. The best identifier you will ever have that the Necrons will be getting a new codex is if you see some gigantic picture of a necron lord on the cover of an issue of WD.

Because as we all know, the last thing you want to do is use your retail stores to generate buzz amongst Necron players about a new release. It makes far more sense to keep both staff and paying customers in the dark.

Don’t want them actually having anything to look forward to, now do you?

^^

But.. if they tell the lowly peons what is coming then their competitors might get an advantage!!@#$@.. You know, all the 0 companies that produce full models for 40k

What the OP did not realise was that after he left, the GW rep was replaced with a servitor that looks, sounds and even smells the same as the person did before he made the comment about a codex.

I'm guessing it will be here late 2012. Every time GW talks about a non-Imperial codex, it gets delayed another 3-6 months behind another SM variant. Last comment was Halloween, and I'm sure they'll have to talk about it at least twice before then.

Incoming Grey knights email so this rumor is false. Sorry guys

Last word was they were coming out over a year ago... then last year... now sometime this year. It SHOULDN'T get pushed back again hopefully... I'm really looking forward to new crons

I'm guessing October to ride the Halloween season.

Kirasu wrote:^^

But.. if they tell the lowly peons what is coming then their competitors might get an advantage!!@#$@.. You know, all the 0 companies that produce full models for 40k

It has nothing to do with competitors. If you know a new codex (or any product) is coming out soon, who will buy the current one? That's what it's about.

Aspiring Champion wrote:It has nothing to do with competitors. If you know a new codex (or any product) is coming out soon, who will buy the current one? That's what it's about.

An empty excuse when talking about the Inquisitorial armies. Nobody's going to buy the old DH codex, because GW does not sell it and instead gives it out for free. And they're not going to buy the models, when a basic troops choice of 10 infantry costs about 60 pounds.

GW has done an 'Incoming!' bit on the Grey Knights, so Necrons (unfortunately) won't be coming out anytime soon.

Edit: Just checked my email, and I got an update from GW about said 'Incoming!' article. Looks like GK will be out in April. So figure the time between the new BA 'dex and the new GK 'dex, and you've got a fair idea of how long it may be until Necrons come out.

As long as we get the new codex before the world explodes in 2012, I'll know that I've lived a full life.

Luckily that isn't going to happen, so no need to sweat any delays...

Alpharius wrote:Luckily that isn't going to happen, so no need to sweat any delays...

Except the fact that I want my necron codex. Now.

prime12357 wrote:

Alpharius wrote:Luckily that isn't going to happen, so no need to sweat any delays...

Except the fact that I want my necron codex. Now.

The Necron codex is slated for Dec 24th, 2012.










(It's a joke, I dont know when it is coming out.)

Happygrunt wrote:

prime12357 wrote:

Alpharius wrote:Luckily that isn't going to happen, so no need to sweat any delays...

Except the fact that I want my necron codex. Now.

The Necron codex is slated for Dec 24th, 2012.

You're probably right, though. With BA in Feb, GK in April, fliers in June, something fantasy in September/October, it looks as if we'll get our 'crons in time for christmas.

Yeah, Christmas 2021!

prime12357 wrote:

Happygrunt wrote:

prime12357 wrote:

Alpharius wrote:Luckily that isn't going to happen, so no need to sweat any delays...

Except the fact that I want my necron codex. Now.

The Necron codex is slated for Dec 24th, 2012.

You're probably right, though. With BA in Feb, GK in April, fliers in June, something fantasy in September/October, it looks as if we'll get our 'crons in time for christmas.

You know that the joke is that the world ends on the 23rd of 2012 right?

Long count calendar-

Warhammerwise wouldn't that be a Slaan/Old One thing.. Makes you think...

Happygrunt wrote:

prime12357 wrote:

Happygrunt wrote:

prime12357 wrote:

Alpharius wrote:Luckily that isn't going to happen, so no need to sweat any delays...

Except the fact that I want my necron codex. Now.

The Necron codex is slated for Dec 24th, 2012.

You're probably right, though. With BA in Feb, GK in April, fliers in June, something fantasy in September/October, it looks as if we'll get our 'crons in time for christmas.

You know that the joke is that the world ends on the 23rd of 2012 right?

Either way, we aren't going to get the new codex any time soon.
And if the world ends, we will all die, and in heaven, I certainly hope they have updated codexes...

The Necrons got that new Forge World model, so I'm betting their new codex is due soon.

Unless the new Grey Knights codex has already come out and I didn't realize it, I'm almost positive that it is the next to come out, though.

On the other hand, there's also talks of new Sister of Battle, and I've heard a small group of people talking about Kroot Mercs. The Kroot rumors are most likely just wishful thinking, however...

Personally, I'm just happy that the Dark Eldar release was such a raving success

Austragalis wrote:

Personally, I'm just happy that the Dark Eldar release was such a raving success

Same here!

It will encourage GW to experiment a bit more, and release more Xenos stuff.

Which will, in turn, force the Space Marine Haters to RELAX a little!

Alpharius wrote:

Austragalis wrote:

Personally, I'm just happy that the Dark Eldar release was such a raving success

Same here!

It will encourage GW to experiment a bit more, and release more Xenos stuff.

Which will, in turn, force the Space Marine Haters to RELAX a little!

We can but hope. The cynic in me however would like to point out that the success of the DE release probably owes quite a lot to the fact that it was such a outdated and forgotten race/codex that many thought would never be updated.

Hopefully if one of the 'newer' races/codexes like Tau, Eldar or Necron gets redone and is a similar success then we can start to hope!

*as long as the book doesn't suck* That is all I have to say.

I would love to see new rules for a lot of the races, that or affordable and obtainable models from said ranges, I have honestly only seen one SoB army during my entire time playing, but several necron armies, so I hope the wait on new rules is worth it.

Aspiring Champion wrote:

Kirasu wrote:^^

But.. if they tell the lowly peons what is coming then their competitors might get an advantage!!@#$@.. You know, all the 0 companies that produce full models for 40k

It has nothing to do with competitors. If you know a new codex (or any product) is coming out soon, who will buy the current one? That's what it's about.

Exactly. Nothing like lulling a customer into buying a $30 book, then popping up with a new one a couple months later. At least these days the internet makes it a bit harder to pull that scam...people at least have a vague heads up on things that are coming out.


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btemple0 wrote:I would love to see new rules for a lot of the races, that or affordable and obtainable models from said ranges, I have honestly only seen one SoB army during my entire time playing, but several necron armies, so I hope the wait on new rules is worth it.

Im looking forward to some new and plastic Necrons...A few months ago i got a Lord and a squad of warriors, but Ive been holding it there until the new stuff comes out.

However...if I could pick a race to have redone and updated it would be Eldar. Ive always loved the look of them, but being almost all of them are metal it makes conversions very hard to do. Since Im one of those people who cant leave things alone...I must convert at least a few things in any army. Plastic HQ, aspect warriors, and wraithguard would be a dream come true.

Happygrunt wrote:

prime12357 wrote:

Happygrunt wrote:

prime12357 wrote:

Alpharius wrote:Luckily that isn't going to happen, so no need to sweat any delays...

Except the fact that I want my necron codex. Now.

The Necron codex is slated for Dec 24th, 2012.

You're probably right, though. With BA in Feb, GK in April, fliers in June, something fantasy in September/October, it looks as if we'll get our 'crons in time for christmas.

You know that the joke is that the world ends on the 23rd of 2012 right?

I thought it was the 21st. It was on some discovery channel thing.

prime123457 wrote:Either way, we aren't going to get the new codex any time soon.
And if the world ends, we will all die, and in heaven, I certainly hope they have updated codexes...

It would be cool if in heaven you could get any codex from any time since heaven is outside of time. This is why god can grant prayers about things in the past.
I think im going off topic.

Yeah your right it's the 21st....

Mad4Minis wrote:

Aspiring Champion wrote:

Kirasu wrote:^^

But.. if they tell the lowly peons what is coming then their competitors might get an advantage!!@#$@.. You know, all the 0 companies that produce full models for 40k

It has nothing to do with competitors. If you know a new codex (or any product) is coming out soon, who will buy the current one? That's what it's about.

People are actually buying the "current" Necron codex still?

/boggle

Is the FW tomb stalker supposed to be added to the codex? I've been thinking of getting one, it'd be nice to know if it will be made "official" or not.

I'd imagine so, just like the Trygon was for 'Nids. Here's hoping, its too great of a model not to be added

yeah but they only added the trygon to the codex when they made a plastic one. But then, they added all those IG tanks that you could only get from FW, and there's still a bunch that GW still hasn't gotten to plasticify yet.

Could be the tomb stalker is the monsterous creature that's rumored to be in the book and if that's the case I'd rather wait for the GW version.

Necros wrote:yeah but they only added the trygon to the codex when they made a plastic one. But then, they added all those IG tanks that you could only get from FW, and there's still a bunch that GW still hasn't gotten to plasticify yet.

Could be the tomb stalker is the monsterous creature that's rumored to be in the book and if that's the case I'd rather wait for the GW version.

The Tomb Stalker is usable with the codex, in non-Apocalypse games.

I think the Tomb Stalker was really released as a teaser for the new book and for GW to gauge interest in the Necrons to plan for a future release.

NecronLord3 wrote:I think the Tomb Stalker was really released as a teaser for the new book and for GW to gauge interest in the Necrons to plan for a future release.

In that case, I should buy one.

The Tomb Stalker is a recently released resin figure. GW has historically never released a model in FW Resin and then immediatly into a Codex.

The Eldar Night Spinner, Tyranid Trygon, and Imperial Guard Medusa et al are all old FW models that were not only made Codex-official, but also re-released in plastic. Forge World made profit off them when they were resin and GW re-released them into plastic.

I doubt the Tomb Stalker will be in the codex.

wasn't the tau pirana a FW model first as well?

I think I'll go ahead and order one up anyway. I really like the model. Since I only really play friendly games and never tournaments, I doubt any of my friends would mind me using it.

I'm also thinking about trying to re-cast some of the leg bitz myself to use as legs to make beetle-destroyers instead of the flying kind. I did that before back when GW had bitz orders but I used tomb spider legs. I think the thinner looking stalker legs will work better this time around.

NecronLord3 wrote:I think the Tomb Stalker was really released as a teaser for the new book and for GW to gauge interest in the Necrons to plan for a future release.

FW explicitely said that the Tomb Stalker was a one shot not referring to anything. And nobody at GW is interested in gauging interest in future releases (see rumour policy).

Kroothawk wrote:

NecronLord3 wrote:I think the Tomb Stalker was really released as a teaser for the new book and for GW to gauge interest in the Necrons to plan for a future release.

FW explicitely said that the Tomb Stalker was a one shot not referring to anything. And nobody at GW is interested in gauging interest in future releases (see rumour policy).

So are you in the business of just making stuff up or would you like to site a source? Do to the sarcastic tone of the latter part of your statement I'm inclined to believe you like to make stuff up.

It was mentioned in the forgeworld talk at games day UK if you look up the thread you will see it there.

kirsanth wrote:]People are actually buying the "current" Necron codex still?

I bought one about 3 months ago. Got it pretty cheap.

When are Tomb Kings coming out?

Maybe the dead walking mention was to have the Tomb Kings and Necrons come out at the same time.

megatrons2nd wrote:When are Tomb Kings coming out?

Maybe the dead walking mention was to have the Tomb Kings and Necrons come out at the same time.

Tomb Kings, Necrons, and VC all at the same time. Would be an epic release.

And as such, it won't happen.

Any more news about the Crons?

Aman wrote:Any more news about the Crons?

I've only heard they'll be back

In short - no, no new word.

I'm sure someone will be able to supply new and exciting information.

When there's any to be had.