Hey up, went to Warhammer World yesterday for a GCN meet and managed to have a good look at IA10. Suffice to say Carchardons are going to probably become very popular.

Sons of medusa are a literal offshoot of the Iron Hands having seceeded from them in M35. They are even more hardline Mechanicus than the iron hands themselves following prophecies which have been noticed through flickerings in the Astronomican as Mars passes through Terra's orbit. they get a giant Cyborg Master of the forge who allows you to upgrade your Devastators to have FNP so long as their moddeled appropriately

Exorcists have sub cults within them essentially like the Thousand sons in the Graham McNeil novel. They are also at odds with the Ordo Hereticus for their forbidden knowledge regarding Daemons. The Special character comes equipped with a Thunder hammer that auto wounds psykers and daemons, is immune to psychic powers 50% of the time and I believe allows combat tactics to be replaced with fearless.

Salamanders get a funky dreadnought which was built by Vulkan and a duelling captain who comes with 2 power swords (i think) andhas no chapter tactics rules.

Minotaurs are essentially the High lords of Terra shock and awe weapon. They go in and take on anyone even other Marine chapters on a regular basis. Bit of fluff where they beat on two feuding Astartes Chapters. One retreats but the other is mauled nearly to the point of extinction being an Ultramarine2nd founding several other UM sucessors swear a blood vengeance on the Minotaurs. Special Character is a chapter master with a power spear that can function as a bright lance for one shot.

Mantis warriors have a duelling librarian with his own special psychic power and allows for infiltrate.

Star Phantoms just prior to Badab war have lost their homeworld through a Hrud migration. They have a fascination with Death and particularly the idiom: "Only in death does duty end". The special Character Androcles, who takes out Huron, is captain of the 9th and allows you to take Devastators as Elites as well as Heavy

The mystery terminator in IA9? Well he's the Carchardons Chapter master armed with lightning claws and a chainfist which he can split his attacks between. Originally a conversion piece he looks to be released at the end of january, the forgeworld boys have been looking at the blogposts on the internet and have been amused that just because the picture is green tinted everyone is jumping at him being a mantis warrior or one of the sons of medusa. there are no plans to release Mk1 Termie armour with IA10 but its on the to do list. Chapter tactics wise he allows you to replace combat tactics with Furious charge however afterwards if the unit destroys another in close combat it becomes subject to rage. Fluffwise the carchardons are a crusade type fleet however they are constantly crusading and essentially "living off the land" not coming back in for resupply and are essentially the Imperial boogeyman. Fluff also suggests that the Raven Guard are their progenitors and that the founders were the monsters created by Corax in an effort to rebuild the Ravens after Istvaan V.

You also get a siege SM army which can take Ironclads and siege dreadnoughts as troops. Squadrons of predators, vindicators and whirlwinds. You have to take a compulsory Master of the seige who comes with Artificer armour. Further more to offset the power gamey elements of the list (You can take Achilles as Heavy Support...) the army has to take a special siege objective which it must claim otherwise can only ever draw.

BrookM wrote:Interesting. I'm guessing IA10 won't be released until next year then, despite earlier reports claiming it to be a December release.

Theduke07 wrote:Ah no rumors on Space Sharks? :(

reds8n wrote:
The mystery terminator in IA9? Well he's the Carchardons Chapter master armed with lightning claws and a chainfist which he can split his attacks between. Originally a conversion piece he looks to be released at the end of january, the forgeworld boys have been looking at the blogposts on the internet and have been amused that just because the picture is green tinted everyone is jumping at him being a mantis warrior or one of the sons of medusa. there are no plans to release Mk1 Termie armour with IA10 but its on the to do list. Chapter tactics wise he allows you to replace combat tactics with Furious charge however afterwards if the unit destroys another in close combat it becomes subject to rage. Fluffwise the carchardons are a crusade type fleet however they are constantly crusading and essentially "living off the land" not coming back in for resupply and are essentially the Imperial boogeyman. Fluff also suggests that the Raven Guard are their progenitors and that the founders were the monsters created by Corax in an effort to rebuild the Ravens after Istvaan V.

White_Lancer wrote:Poster is A1 size, sorry for the poor quality, taken on my phone. One side The Chapters involved in the conflict and the other is the stable warp routes through the Maelstrom area. Should be up for preorder soon and shipping on 10th January.

HungryTaz wrote:Space Sharks = Carchardons

Kroothawk wrote:To be precise: Carcharodon is the scientific name of the genus whose only species is the Carcharodon carcharias, the White Shark.
(Working on the translation: "don" comes from Greek "tooth", as this is the most common finding of sharks, as they grow and lose teeth constantly)

Malika2 wrote:Lets hope they don't have some fast attack options in which we will see Space Marines riding on top of sharks...

Death By Monkeys wrote:

Malika2 wrote:Lets hope they don't have some fast attack options in which we will see Space Marines riding on top of sharks...

Doubt it. They sound pretty vanilla now. I was actually hoping that just as they gave the Lamenters the Blood Angels rules that they would give the Space Sharks the Space Wolves rules minus Thunderwolves. But now they sound pretty boring, ruleswise.

Kanluwen wrote:Teeth and jaws are the only findings of sharks, from what I can recall, because their entire body is cartilage which doesn't fossilize.

Kroothawk wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Teeth and jaws are the only findings of sharks, from what I can recall, because their entire body is cartilage which doesn't fossilize.

Not quite, as the White Shark is a living species, not just a fossil

Kroothawk wrote:Have a look at this finding

... or this one:


http://www.fossilmuseum.net/fishfossils/Paratriakis-curtirostris/Paratriakis.htm

Fossil Museum wrote:While shark teeth are abundant in the fossils record, the preservation of an entire shark (having a cartilageneous skeleton rather than bones) is an extraordinary rarity.

Kanluwen wrote:I think you didn't read that site very well

Fossil Museum wrote:While shark teeth are abundant in the fossils record, the preservation of an entire shark (having a cartilageneous skeleton rather than bones) is an extraordinary rarity.

I win!

Kanluwen wrote:The point was that sharks leave no fossils behind outside of their teeth.

kronk wrote:Can't wait to see the resin terminator. Should be epic!

Edit: Ah, is it the one that Sarrazon posted on page one? If so, it looks sweet. I'll use it for a Terminator Captain or something.

Manchu wrote:So we are expecting models of:

- Sons of Medusa: Cyborg Master of the Forge

- Exorcists: SC w/TH

- Salamanders: funky dready and two-sword captain

- Minotaurs: SC w/PWcombi-bright lance
- Mantis Warriors: librarian
- Star Phantoms: SC called Androcles

- Carchadons: termie SC

Manchu wrote:So we are expecting models of...

Kanluwen wrote:VERY VERY doubtful. That was a conversion done by one of the FW staff and there's no plans to release it.

Originally a conversion piece he looks to be released at the end of january

Manchu wrote:Kan, what is your source?

Regarding SharkMaster:

Kanluwen wrote:VERY VERY doubtful. That was a conversion done by one of the FW staff and there's no plans to release it.

OP stated:

Originally a conversion piece he looks to be released at the end of january

Manchu wrote:Kan, what is your source?

Regarding SharkMaster:

Kanluwen wrote:VERY VERY doubtful. That was a conversion done by one of the FW staff and there's no plans to release it.

OP stated:

Originally a conversion piece he looks to be released at the end of january

Manchu wrote:@Tom: I never noticed the 11 in your name before. Weird.

@Any other "it would seem likely"s? I'd like to see a Mantis Warriors guy beyond all others, along with Mantis Warrior shoulders &etc. But two insectoid-themed SM librarians seems a stretch.

MajorTom11 wrote:

Manchu wrote:@Tom: I never noticed the 11 in your name before. Weird.

@Any other "it would seem likely"s? I'd like to see a Mantis Warriors guy beyond all others, along with Mantis Warrior shoulders &etc. But two insectoid-themed SM librarians seems a stretch.

MajorTom is usually taken

I hope they continue putting out bit kits/generic armor troopers personally. The character models are incredible, but the stuff I can mix into my normal plastics are what really comes in handy for me. I have gotten relatively used to shaving scorpions off of things though lol. I wish FW would do something with BA, they are one of the only main Marine armies without much representation besides shoulder pads and brass. A FW BA dread would be incredible I'm sure!

@Kan, I actually quite like the conversion, Termie's are one of the only forms of armor in the game without much in the way of variants, so the suit that Mk V armor is based on is pretty cool to me! (and no I don't count GK or the old 1st ed circle head guys lol, plastic/resin only comparisons!)

MajorTom11 wrote:

I hope they continue putting out bit kits/generic armor troopers personally. The character models are incredible, but the stuff I can mix into my normal plastics are what really comes in handy for me.

MajorTom11 wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:There's not really much for FW to do for Blood Angels though GW really overdid them.

Well I can't really argue with that lol... but before this year there would definitely have been room for them! I just hope the plastic Furioso actually happens, then I'll shut my yap lol. FW still does amazing, amazing work in general, I keep buying stuff from them like the T.bolt pilot and others that I have no idea when I'll get around to painting, but they are just so damn pretty... Can't blame a guy for wanting stuff for his army from them!

Kanluwen wrote:

MajorTom11 wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:There's not really much for FW to do for Blood Angels though GW really overdid them.

Well I can't really argue with that lol... but before this year there would definitely have been room for them! I just hope the plastic Furioso actually happens, then I'll shut my yap lol. FW still does amazing, amazing work in general, I keep buying stuff from them like the T.bolt pilot and others that I have no idea when I'll get around to painting, but they are just so damn pretty... Can't blame a guy for wanting stuff for his army from them!

The plastic Furioso is pretty much guaranteed at this point, isn't it?

But I do have to say: People who think that Ultramarines get too much love need to look at the Blood Angels line

Manchu wrote:@Tom: But that's kind of like saying "everything IG is Cadian." 'Only from a Cadian point of view my friend,' must be a saying among many regiments.

Manchu wrote:@Tom: But that's kind of like saying "everything IG is Cadian." 'Only from a Cadian point of view my friend,' must be a saying among many regiments.

MajorTom11 wrote:

Manchu wrote:@Tom: But that's kind of like saying "everything IG is Cadian." 'Only from a Cadian point of view my friend,' must be a saying among many regiments.

Technically! lol

In my defense, SM is pretty homogenous in terms of the way they look, they all wear one of 8 marks of PA. IG can look like pretty much anything, so I see Cadians as more unique in uniform than a mark of Power Armour. Granted, there is just no way to cover an army that ranges from chemical mutants to penal legions to fur clad to greatcoats to modern military depending on who you decide to use!

Kan, you are right UM don't have much from FW 'technically', but at least they got a dread!

Kanluwen wrote:

MajorTom11 wrote:

Manchu wrote:@Tom: But that's kind of like saying "everything IG is Cadian." 'Only from a Cadian point of view my friend,' must be a saying among many regiments.

Technically! lol

In my defense, SM is pretty homogenous in terms of the way they look, they all wear one of 8 marks of PA. IG can look like pretty much anything, so I see Cadians as more unique in uniform than a mark of Power Armour. Granted, there is just no way to cover an army that ranges from chemical mutants to penal legions to fur clad to greatcoats to modern military depending on who you decide to use!

SM are pretty homogenous in how the armor marks look, you're right.
But they do modify it depending on the Chapter. Blood Angels, to use as an example, add ornamentation in the form of the chalices, etc. Raven Guard and the Raptors tend towards having lots of pouches and webbing on their armor for gear, Dark Angels add the robes and concealed blades, etc.

Kan, you are right UM don't have much from FW 'technically', but at least they got a dread!

"They got a dread!" isn't really a good excuse, when your Chapter's getting two vehicles just for them
What I, personally, would have liked to see was a "Chapter Master" kit for each Chapter.

A generic Unforgiven Chapter Master from FW, guy wearing artificer armor with a robe, combi-plasmagun in one hand levelled for a killshot, and his sword hanging loose in his other hand would be awesome.

Kanluwen wrote:I don't think it will be dispersed to the SM proper,

Manchu wrote:

But two insectoid-themed SM librarians seems a stretch.

Salacious Greed wrote:I think the only scorpion on Loth is on his shoulder pad, so it isn't difficult to make him into another Chapter.

Kanluwen wrote:I don't think it will be dispersed to the SM proper, but it's almost guaranteed it'll be in the Grey Knights book so it won't "just" be BA

Alpharius wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:I don't think it will be dispersed to the SM proper, but it's almost guaranteed it'll be in the Grey Knights book so it won't "just" be BA

Seriously?

Why the hell not?

GW would have to be daft to NOT do this, and when it comes to sales, well, they aren't too daft, so I'd say... expect it... soon!

MajorTom11 wrote:Chibi-hawks for everyone!

endtransmission wrote:I wouldn't be too surprised if they kept it as BA/GK until the rumoured flyer expansion and then unleashed it on all the marine players with some explanation that the AdMech decided that the BA/GK experimental phase was over and anyone could now use it.

It would fill the Space Marine slot in that expansion nicely without any new models being needed.

warboss wrote:

endtransmission wrote:I wouldn't be too surprised if they kept it as BA/GK until the rumoured flyer expansion and then unleashed it on all the marine players with some explanation that the AdMech decided that the BA/GK experimental phase was over and anyone could now use it.

It would fill the Space Marine slot in that expansion nicely without any new models being needed.

i suspect something like that will happen. IIRC the crusader originally was an armagedon codex unit for templars only (maybe salamanders since they were in there too but can't recall if they got it). then the GK got it in their codex and so did everyone else via a white dwarf article. For the past few years, it seemed GW was adverse to putting any new rules in white dwarf but that seems to have changed relatively recently (spearhead, the nightspinner) to some extent (although they don't go hog wild like in 3rd edition with all the variant army lists). I'm thinking that the chibihawk will be a part of the WD flyer article(s) with an added line about being able to take it for any marine force in normal 40k.

Alpharius wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:I don't think it will be dispersed to the SM proper, but it's almost guaranteed it'll be in the Grey Knights book so it won't "just" be BA

Seriously?

Why the hell not?

GW would have to be daft to NOT do this, and when it comes to sales, well, they aren't too daft, so I'd say... expect it... soon!

Kanluwen wrote:
They'd have to be daft to do it when it's a White Dwarf only thing. People aren't going to buy WD just to use the Stormraven in games.

Kanluwen wrote:Actually, I'm fairly certain that there wasn't a White Dwarf article that had everyone get it.

It was Black Templars and Grey Knight only, then the next batch of Marine codices came out and they all got them.

Kanluwen wrote:It was funny the first time.

And in that regard right there, it doesn't even make sense. There's no "absolutist" statement in there.

Oh, and:
How many people bought White Dwarf for Spearhead?

Alpharius wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:It was funny the first time.

And in that regard right there, it doesn't even make sense. There's no "absolutist" statement in there.

Oh, and:
How many people bought White Dwarf for Spearhead?

Good question - what's the answer?

I suspect it will be expanded to most (if not all) SM Chapters via White Dwarf AND the Internet/PDF AND, obviously, just in case they missed anybody, in the 6th Edition SM Codex.

MajorTom11 wrote:...'People aren't going to buy WD just to use the Stormraven in games' isn't stated as opinion but as fact... I think they may. ...

White_Lancer;5182930 wrote:Well yes the word "suggestion" is pretty much all of what it is. It only suggests Raven Guard as the Carcharodon geneseed that the Inquisition recovers has Genetic markers of similar points to that of the Ravens. There is no definitive answer to which they come from but their skin is pale white and the older the Marine gets the more black their Iris becomes eventually subsuming the pupil as well. Theres nothing to confirm that they are the monsters from the Raven Guard, it just suggests... Also they apparently don't play nice with others either. I'm not sure if any of you have read any of the other Imperial Armour books but when they do Space Marine profile pictures usually it says something like:

Brother Argentum, 19 confirmed kills, cited for marksmanship honour

With the Carcharodons (Interestingly a megalithic shark not Greek) their profile say

Unknown battle brother: Pict image captured

Oh one last thing about them the Chapter Master Character? he allows Bolters to be replaced with CCW's

Also The Sons of Medusa special character is a Master of the forge type with a Mephiston esque statline. This is due to all of the bionics he has modified himself with over the years becoming a Giant-Freaking-Cyborg with a servo harness and some other gubbins. I'm surprised more people haven't picked up on the fact that he grants Devastator marines feel no pain for free so long as their suitably bionicy looking as being the travesty of cheese opposed to whether the Carchardons are Raven Guard sucessors or not.

I did also get a look at the Executioners who happen to be an Imperial fists successor if my memory serves. They have a barabarian look about them to deliberately mislead their foes. Their led mainly by their Chaplains who are essentially tallyman, your going to have to forgive me if I get this wrong I was more bothered by the Carcharodons at this point due to the general coolness of them. they should be getting a Reclusiarch and a Chapter master Character.

The book itself has Huron on the front of it, in his Terminator armour and should be coming in a slip case like the Vraks book with an Inquisitional sealed report look about it. Theres going to be some Battlefleet gothic stuff as well to represent the Badab system space war, which is nice to see. Some very cool looking technical specs on Power armour as well.

Further more I had a nice long long chat with the Forgeworld boys and they love just taking a small but incredibly deep slice of the 40k fluff cake, I mean just look at the raid on Kastorel-Novem, cookie if anyone can find that fluff reference (Hint: Its in the BRB). I was speaking to the Author of the books Alan Bligh and he has done a hell of a lot of research into the Badab war and everything in it is taken from canonical sources including the renaming of the Space Sharks to the Carcharodons. The Forgeworld boys also want to do some Mk8 and Mk7 (Yeah, I know you get it as plastic...)power armour further down the line to complete off the set of armour as well

aka_mythos wrote:I'm just hoping the Mk8 is more like the original artwork than the random torso that comes on the sgt. sprue. That art had a lot more character with the armor on hands/arms and legs looking more robust. The helmet also was more interesting than just the Mk7 helmet.

MajorTom11 wrote:Don't forget the bracers over the wrists, knee pads and funny little domes on the ankle joints too!

Alpharius wrote:

aka_mythos wrote:I'm just hoping the Mk8 is more like the original artwork than the random torso that comes on the sgt. sprue. That art had a lot more character with the armor on hands/arms and legs looking more robust. The helmet also was more interesting than just the Mk7 helmet.

MajorTom11 wrote:Don't forget the bracers over the wrists, knee pads and funny little domes on the ankle joints too!

You're both.... right!

I have some faith that FW will do it 'right', but this is lessened by some of the shortcuts they've taken with the recent Heresy-era Power Armor releases...

MajorTom11 wrote:@WB -

Some of the helmets were modified, as well as other elements that were pretty subtle. I think that's what Alphy meant.

warboss wrote:what shortcuts? i haven't looked over the armor *too* closely but i didn't notice anything particularly odd or out of place.