Hi,
stickmonkey over at Warseer regularly gives us early rumours about upcoming releases. Here his early rumours about a Tyranid 2nd wave:

Also, in other rumors, August is being banted about as Tyranid 2nd wave. To include:
Doom blister
Tyrannofex plastic with options to build as Tervigon - unreliable rumor as to the optional build, but I'm throwing it in
Harpy
Tyranid direct only lashwhip bonesword upgrade blister for warriors
"yrmgarll?" direct only genestealer blister...like flashgit model, one pose, direct only.

On the flyer front. Theres a rumor of a thunderbolt fighter in design for plastic...from the sound its very early, and if other rumors are true of a "flyer" WD supplemental release, it would not make that cut.

As always, my rumors are typically far off and subject to change. but so far ive got a better hit to miss ratio...hopefully GK wont ruin my record...

Those all sound like great kits, do we have any idea when this second wave would be?


Thanks for the updated info Kroothawk.

That sounds like it should make niddies happy! Bout time on the seperate boneswords etc. They better make a tervie too.

Sasori wrote:Those all sound like great kits, do we have any idea when this second wave would be?

Erm ... August

BTW stickmonkey mostly posts rumours about far away releases, because NDAs prohibit him talking about the early Grey Knight release, but not the Necron or Tyranid release after that ... yet.

Definately interested in seeing a model for both the Tervs and Tyrans.

So when is the date slated for release?

Thanks for the latest scoop.

It's in the first line of the quote, folks!

Kroothawk wrote:It's in the first line of the quote, folks!

Ah...so when they say August, they don't mean a person's name, which is Latin for awesome?

By August most `Nid players won't care about the Bonesword/Lashwhip conversion kits I bet. Too many out there already that make them.

Agreed with Aduro.

I hope they release a Mycetic Spore as well to at least define its size. It'd be quite a missed opportunity otherwise.

Don't really need a model for the doom, it's annoying enough sometimes just as a "counts as" zoanthrope.

Still the tyrannofex might be good enough to force me to make my zerg, er, I mean nid army.

Nah, they won't do a Mycetic Spore. It's the new Drop Pod. Should probably come out in a few years.

TBH I'm just glad to hear about the second wave. There's a whole bunch of stuff that don't have GW approved models in the codex so I will wait in anticipation to see what they will release. Harpy, tyrannofex and tervigon are the ones I'm sure everyone is waiting to see.

My money is on fliers being introduced into the main rule set for 6th edition. I wonder if the thunderbolt is being developed for that purpose.

Kroothawk wrote:Hi,
stickmonkey over at Warseer regularly gives us early rumours about upcoming releases. Here his early rumours about a Tyranid 2nd wave:

Also, in other rumors, August is being banted about as Tyranid 2nd wave. To include:
Doom blister
Tyrannofex plastic with options to build as Tervigon - unreliable rumor as to the optional build, but I'm throwing it in
Harpy
Tyranid direct only lashwhip bonesword upgrade blister for warriors
"yrmgarll?" direct only genestealer blister...like flashgit model, one pose, direct only.

On the flyer front. Theres a rumor of a thunderbolt fighter in design for plastic...from the sound its very early, and if other rumors are true of a "flyer" WD supplemental release, it would not make that cut.

As always, my rumors are typically far off and subject to change. but so far ive got a better hit to miss ratio...hopefully GK wont ruin my record...

The Tyrannofex kit will be a major dissappointment to me if it doesn't have a Tervigon build. Still,even if it doesn't come with Tervigon bits,it will provide a better conversion platform than the Carnifexes do. The rest is nice,but I think everybody is waiting for Mycetic Spores.

Plastic Tyran/Terv is LONG overdue. The fact that these two huge monsters were not given kits is simply criminal.

Aduro wrote:By August most `Nid players won't care about the Bonesword/Lashwhip conversion kits I bet. Too many out there already that make them.

Look on the bright side though - at least it shows that GW are paying attention to the market, even if they don't really grasp how to be part of it yet.

Aduro wrote:By August most `Nid players won't care about the Bonesword/Lashwhip conversion kits I bet. Too many out there already that make them.

Well, not every Tyranid player has a credit card or knows about the alternatives: The target player still is the teen noob. And no current bonesword model is perfect. And no alternative model for Harpy and Tyrannofex yet apart from private conversions.

But getting official models for all the Codex units is fine and necessary, even if the unconfirmed Tervigon is the most needed. I like new shineys (or is it slimeys ). And the latest batch of models has been fine, so I have confidence (even if I don't like the Tyrannofex art).

GW gets some beating for not providing models for all Codex units immediately. But it is a result of the policy change to update armies constantly, not only once per generation, which is a good thing. Making essential units like the Tervigon unavailable for so long is a mistake though.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Look on the bright side though - at least it shows that GW are paying attention to the market, even if they don't really grasp how to be part of it yet.

meaning ever, yes? because if they were to be truly paying attention to the market they'd have payed attention to this site and warpshadow for what models should be released and what should have made it into the codex. no disrespect to you in anyway, more this is an observation and an insult to GW already low intelligence levels

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:meaning ever, yes? because if they were to be truly paying attention to the market they'd have payed attention to this site and warpshadow for what models should be released and what should have made it into the codex. no disrespect to you in anyway, more this is an observation and an insult to GW already low intelligence levels

No disrespect taken. The fine folks at Dakka (at least, those of us without our heads in the sand) are quite cognisant of GW's seemingly boneheaded methods when it comes to marketing and promotion, and the glacier-like pace in which they respond to market forces.

Kroothawk wrote:BTW stickmonkey mostly posts rumours about far away releases, because NDAs prohibit him talking about the early Grey Knight release, but not the Necron or Tyranid release after that ... yet.

So you're confirming Necrons and Tyranids to come later....

The Tyrannofex and Tervigon concept images in the book show they are clearly designed to use the same body. I would be staggered if it wasn't released as a multi-option kit like the Screaming Bell/Plague Furnace, Stegadon, High Elf Dragon etc etc.

Considering the Tervigon is several orders of magnitude more popular than Tyrannofexes, I'd be shocked if it wasn't a dual kit.

Not surprised by the bonesword kit, but the Ymgarl and Harpy rumors are surprising. The latter is a relatively simple conversion and not the most popular choice in the codex, while the former is a popular choice that idoesn't even really require conversion, just some extra Ymgarl heads.

Definately interested in seeing a model for both the Tervs and Tyrans.

I'm not, but I'm definitely interested. Especially a Tervigon. I already built a Tyrannofex, but it was a lot of work and time-consuming, so a Tervigon will have to wait till there's a kit. I have too many other projects to devote that kind of time to converting another creature like that.

Chapter House do a nice Carnifex to Tervigon conversion kit. I have just ordered one for possible conversion to a Tyrannofex.

Personally I trust a red shirt at GW over Stickmonkey

Aduro wrote:By August most `Nid players won't care about the Bonesword/Lashwhip conversion kits I bet. Too many out there already that make them.

I don't agree. I could go to Chapterhouse or make my own out of Scything Talons, but I'm sort of a GW purist - I like to have kits if they have one and I prefer not to sub out anything else if I can help it. It's one of the main reasons I don't use Warriors or Shrikes - all the lashwhip/bonesword conversion I would have to do. I don't even like to buy bits from bits stores. I don't know why - it's just a thing I have. I like to have the newest kits and I will sell my older kits when the new ones come out.

I, for one, am grateful for a bonesword/lashwhip blister. It's something we've needed for two editions now and we're finally getting it. It opens up a lot of options. What I wonder is what the blister will have in it. 5 boneswords and 5 lashwhips would be sweet. Probably 3 though.


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gorgon wrote:Considering the Tervigon is several orders of magnitude more popular than Tyrannofexes, I'd be shocked if it wasn't a dual kit.

I wonder if this is perpetuated by the fact that it is so much easier to make a tervigon than a tyrannofex. Obviously, they are different in game terms, but if the tyrannofex had a kit, I'm sure it would be seeing much more playtime. I, for one, plan on picking up two for my army if these rumors are true.

Plastic Thunderbolt rumor makes me happy.

It not coming out with the other fliers makes me sad.

Death By Monkeys wrote:Plastic Thunderbolt rumor makes me happy.

It not coming out with the other fliers makes me sad.

That's funny, because the ones you scratchbuilt have been pwning in my Apoc games of late. Yours are just as cool as the FW ones, and get lots of compliments when they see field time. Thanks DBM!

I'm just hoping the flier rules are better (meaning more detailed and better at creating a dogfight dynamic despite the I-go-you-go turn structure) than, say, Spearhead was for armor.

Back to bugs, though:

By August most `Nid players won't care about the Bonesword/Lashwhip conversion kits I bet. Too many out there already that make them.

Agreed, but that long-wait-effect might not apply to bigger things in the line, like Tervigons. You have to keep in mind that there are three things that keep many modelers waiting for GW models not released in the first wave, instead of buying from 3rd parties. I gather these three things from conversations with other gamers as well as my own experience- no actual data, just anecdote:

1) Plastic > resin for modelers who modify their kits at all, so whenever the plastic exists or is decent (even with a wait first), the time gained in easier, stronger kitbashing generally justifies the months spent waiting. This is magnified by the complexity of converting/kitbashing the piece. Bigger things- especially that still need GW bitz to complete a 3rd party kit- are more expensive both in time and additional parts and thus less worth buying unless you have an event you want to field them for right away.

2) GW kits are better for tourney players due to the 75%/50% rule in GW-supported tourneys. Sad but true. Some equipment bitz you can get away with, but the bulk of the model has to be GW if you want to play in the official GW events, like LVGT... or even have the option to do so. And if you're investing tons of paint time and have even moderate tourney ambitions, your little toys need to be able to go wherever you want to play with them. Again, the bigger the model or part involved the better it is to wait for GW releases.

3) Once they finally do come out, many of the GW kits have been of equal-or-higher quality than the 3rd party products. GWs modeling team is really hitting their stride these days, with a few bizarre exceptions (Razorgor, Vulkan, etc.). Take the DE line- not a crap mini in the whole lot so far.

With those in mind, it seems better to wait a certain period for the new stuff, unless it's really, really useful (like Tervigons). And the larger the kit, the better it is to wait for a GW one. If the three things above really do apply to the majority of 40K modelers, something like a Doom model is likely to not sell well at first and then not much at all once the GW model comes out. The Tervigon will be more complex, having size and need for GW additional parts in most kits working against 3rd party sales, but utility working for them.

I guess what I'm saying is that 3rd party bitz should sell well through out a cycle, but 3rd party full kits will probably only sell well when there's a stupidly long wait for useful units or a totally pants GW version (Thunderwolves!).

Given the waiting time until August, Aduro's probably right about the lash whip/bonesword kits from 3rd parties doing well against GW kits both now and after August, but tervigon kits will decline in sales when the GW kit comes out and perhaps even decline now that these rumors are out. So will spods, if there's ever a plastic GW model priced at $35 or under. Unless someone comes up with a kickin' spod for $20 or under, which would be a real giant-killer.

[biznerd]What would be fascinating to see would be 3rd-party sales numbers for second-wave models, tracked from release of codex until a GW model is finally released and then for some time afterwards. Then you could plot GW sales for the kits after release and compare the two charts. Oooooh, and to find out whether rumors actually matter for business, you could include the impact of a release rumor on 3rd party sales, too. [/biznerd]

Shucks, Savnock. Glad to hear that my T-Bolts are still doing you well. They do well enough, but when I compare them to a plastic Valk the level of detail just feels under par. I really still want to field a squadron of them and at this point, I'd rather buy a sharply detailed plastic one for $60 than scratchbuild one of my own.

I dont think we have to worry at all about the Tervigon kit coming out.

I chose to cater to those tyranid players who now have carnifex kits doing nothing (pretty much all of them). Our kits are perfectly legal at GW sanctioned events, since they incorporate GW parts (for those who care about such petty rules).

I bet the Tervigon kit from GW will be much more expensive as well, I am thinking in the $60 price range.

As for the Ymagrl Stealer, well, I rather have the ability to just use genestealers with all their poses and put on 3 different heads rather then 1 $15 GW metal model.

I will be interested if GW even comes out with a spore pod, but I doubt it at this time. While ours is the price of a Spacemarine Droppod, $35, and larger (to carry a carnifex of course).

I just think its not prudent to use the whole "can it be used in a GW sanctioned tournament" when GW rarely has any of its own tournaments anymore, and even the ones ran by the large cons, Adepticon, Wargamescon, Novacon, could care less if you are using 3rd party products.

We are releasing our own "Doom" model next week, and its larger then the Zoanthrope model, metal, single piece and I think we will only charge $20.00 at the most.

In any case, these are unsubstantiated rumors, for some reason I dont believe there will be a 2nd wave of tyranids...

Chapterhouse wrote:In any case, these are unsubstantiated rumors, for some reason I dont believe there will be a 2nd wave of tyranids...

They are not unsubstantiated I am afraid
And GW has to release something in the 8-9 months per year without a new Codex/army book. Harpy has been seen WIP, Doom/Ymgarl/Whip are all small quick projects and the Tyrannofex/Tervigon plastic kit is compulsory for the release, and 1.5 years for a second wave is usual. Still 8 months to prepair, and Navarro's sculpts are always something special.

BTW hope the female Farseer will also be available next week. My order is waiting

Chapterhouse wrote:In any case, these are unsubstantiated rumors, for some reason I dont believe there will be a 2nd wave of tyranids...

LOL, yeah, GW is never releasing another Tyranid model and the rumors that they are releasing more are totally implausible. That statement at least gives the appearance of having been posted in fear of losing sales. And the less than subtle negative comments about GW seem a bit unbecoming from a business that is entirely dependent upon Games Workshop. A case of biting the hand that feeds you I think.

Chapter House makes some good stuff indeed, but yeah, the less than subtle comments are too common in posts about his compitition.

Hooray!

We no longer have just the Foam Wars. We now have the Foam Wars and the Third Party Parts Producer War!

Kroothawk wrote:

Chapterhouse wrote:In any case, these are unsubstantiated rumors, for some reason I dont believe there will be a 2nd wave of tyranids...

They are not unsubstantiated I am afraid
And GW has to release something in the 8-9 months per year without a new Codex/army book. Harpy has been seen WIP, Doom/Ymgarl/Whip are all small quick projects and the Tyrannofex/Tervigon plastic kit is compulsory for the release, and 1.5 years for a second wave is usual. Still 8 months to prepair, and Navarro's sculpts are always something special.

BTW hope the female Farseer will also be available next week. My order is waiting

I am excited about the Harpy, but I just dont think they will do the big bug kit or the doom kit, the big bug will have to be a very large plastic kit which takes thousands to tool up on. The Doom kit, well, why wouldnt they release a tyranid prime, or a Parasite kit?

I cast up the first female seers today, but I wont put any on the site till I have a painted model ready for the product page, email me if you want details.

BrassScorpion wrote:

Chapterhouse wrote:In any case, these are unsubstantiated rumors, for some reason I dont believe there will be a 2nd wave of tyranids...

LOL, yeah, GW is never releasing another Tyranid model and the rumors that they are releasing more are totally implausible. That statement at least gives the appearance of having been posted in fear of losing sales. And the less than subtle negative comments about GW seem a bit unbecoming from a business that is entirely dependent upon Games Workshop. A case of biting the hand that feeds you I think.

I never said they were never going to release another Tyranid model. I just dont see how they would release a kit over a year later for a codex that old.. personally I dont see any other examples of them doing that with other army books (such a large second wave). One or 2 models, sure, and usually new units, but not such large second waves. Besides, did I post negatively about it? No I did not.

Aduro wrote:Chapter House makes some good stuff indeed, but yeah, the less than subtle comments are too common in posts about his compitition.

Yet again you jump to conclusions, where was my negative post? You bothered me enough in private messages about post I never made (and could not show many any) and do so in public. What exactly was contributed to this thread by your post?



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Kanluwen wrote:Hooray!

We no longer have just the Foam Wars. We now have the Foam Wars and the Third Party Parts Producer War!

No, we have a couple of dakkaites who want to start drama..

Enough already, everyone. Can the he-said-she-said and let's concentrate on speculating about little toys, shall we?

Chapterhouse, If they do come up with a mega-Nid kit, perhaps you could have some add-ons for options not well covered now... like adaptations for the Apocalypse battlefield.

A convenient Tryano-to-Heirophant (or Trygon-to-Heirophant) conversion kit would be great. Converting one up for a $60 GW kit (and I'm betting you're right on the price point, or off by $5 at the most) plus $80 of legs/tentacles/whatever would still be cheaper than the FW option. Fortunately if there's a decent large thorax and guns in the tyrano kit, you'd just have to do a bunch of legs (and maybe a gun for one side, if the tyranno kit has a single gun.

I never said they were never going to release another Tyranid model. I just dont see how they would release a kit over a year later for a codex that old.. personally I dont see any other examples of them doing that with other army books (such a large second wave). One or 2 models, sure, and usually new units, but not such large second waves.

Orks had two or three major waves, one of which occurred in 2010, years after their release. Marines have wave releases all the time. Hell eldar had two decent sized kits released this years and they are quite old. I don't think a couple of large plastic kits, a SC blister (or two really considering ymgarls are sort of a sc) and some bits consitutes a major departure from GWs SOP.

Savnock wrote:Enough already, everyone. Can the he-said-she-said and let's concentrate on speculating about little toys, shall we?

Chapterhouse, If they do come up with a mega-Nid kit, perhaps you could have some add-ons for options not well covered now... like adaptations for the Apocalypse battlefield.

A convenient Tryano-to-Heirophant (or Trygon-to-Heirophant) conversion kit would be great. Converting one up for a $60 GW kit (and I'm betting you're right on the price point, or off by $5 at the most) plus $80 of legs/tentacles/whatever would still be cheaper than the FW option. Fortunately if there's a decent large thorax and guns in the tyrano kit, you'd just have to do a bunch of legs (and maybe a gun for one side, if the tyranno kit has a single gun.

Amen,

In any case, I think there will always be gaps in the line or just missing options that the gamers want and need. As GW gets more and more away from the tournament scene (their prize and other support for the big tournaments has been horrible, I know of two big 100 strong tourneys that GW has stiffed) you will see more and more possibility for variety of minis used.

I know I would love to see large organic flyers, as the wings are horribly difficult to model and design for production.


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winterman wrote:

I never said they were never going to release another Tyranid model. I just dont see how they would release a kit over a year later for a codex that old.. personally I dont see any other examples of them doing that with other army books (such a large second wave). One or 2 models, sure, and usually new units, but not such large second waves.

Orks had two or three major waves, one of which occurred in 2010, years after their release. Marines have wave releases all the time. Hell eldar had two decent sized kits released this years and they are quite old. I don't think a couple of large plastic kits, a SC blister (or two really considering ymgarls are sort of a sc) and some bits consitutes a major departure from GWs SOP.

I guess your right, I think the dynamic has changed though, seeing as in those past releases there was not as many smaller companies available to fill the holes. Just look at thunder wolves.

Chapterhouse wrote:I am excited about the Harpy, but I just dont think they will do the big bug kit or the doom kit, the big bug will have to be a very large plastic kit which takes thousands to tool up on.

And will sell like hot cakes. An army can have 8 of these things (Tervigons & Tyran combined). People field lots of Tervigons. People, right now, convert loads of Tervigons just like they convert loads of Stormravens. When these kits come out they will be a lisence to print money.

Chapterhouse wrote:The Doom kit, well, why wouldnt they release a tyranid prime, or a Parasite kit?

Because the Doom kit is something pretty much everyone uses. You make what sells. I had forgotten that the Parasite even existed until you mentioned it.

This year has seen big second waves of Orks (March, several plastic kits), IG/Eldar (June, several plastc kits), Imperium Fantasy (May, December), Daemons (August, several plastic kits), High Elves (October, several plastic kits), next year will start with 2nd wave of Skaven (January, big HPA plastic kit) and Blood Angels (February, big Storm Raven plastic kit) followed by 2nd wave of Dark Eldar until June. So big second waves including plastic kits are the norm for quite some time. Art shows how a combined Tyrannofex/Tervigon kit will look like (GW policy: all units will get models eventually), Doom will be metal blister of course, Parasite not mentioned, Tyranid Prime not essential as a separate model. So the rumours are perfectly wthin the range of expectations.

That said, there is always room for diversity provided by non-GW companies.
I am quite happy with my non-GW Doom, Tervigons, Mycetic Spores, Ymgarl Genestealers, Tyranid Prime and Swarm Lord plus terrain

I am excited about the Harpy, but I just dont think they will do the big bug kit or the doom kit, the big bug will have to be a very large plastic kit which takes thousands to tool up on. The Doom kit, well, why wouldnt they release a tyranid prime, or a Parasite kit?

They are about to release a large vehicle(chibihawk) thats not that popular and possibly even another dreadnought kit that is solely available for the Blood Angels codex (eventually GK and if they are intelligent, FAQ'd/updated into other SM armies). You honestly think that they eventually wouldn't make a plastic multi use kit for a damn near must have Tyranid unit? Or make a metal blister model for possibly the most popular(over rated imo) SC in the Tyranid codex? Really? Although I saw nothing overtly negative in your previous posts, aside from a chip on your shoulder about GW prize support and its rules, you just seem defensive about this rumored release.

Most of your stuff is pretty damn nice, but that Doom of Malantai you are making... it is to Chapterhouse, what the Razorgor was to GW. You know you can do better.

Sorry if that comes off as harsh, but as one of your customers, I had to say it.

Hopefully these turn out to be accurate. That codex has way too many unreleased models.

I don't see how the Tervigon/Tyrannofex kit would make a harpy. The bodies are very different.

Also why include wings in a kit that makes 2 creatures without wings?

Branderic wrote:I don't see how the Tervigon/Tyrannofex kit would make a harpy. The bodies are very different.

Also why include wings in a kit that makes 2 creatures without wings?

When did anyone say that a Harpy was going to be with the TFex/Terv?

kenshin620 wrote:When did anyone say that a Harpy was going to be with the TFex/Terv?

No one did. So let's not repeat it a dozen times to the point where it starts getting reported as news...

Breaking news!

Tervigons can get wings.

Tyrannofexes can ride Hive Tyrants!

You heard it here first, get yours while they're hot!

i will be interested to see the size difference between the Tyrannofex/Terv compared to the canifex. I mean unless they're simply releasing the same kit with a few bits to stick on

The Mawloc/Trygon model was a fantastic release and I would hope this would be up to that standard of awesomeness when it comes out.

I was rather hoping for the Swarmlord to be made.

They built Karios Fateweever and that's even made of metal!

Not sure why I cant have a swarmlord

I am sure a Tervigon kit will be popular.

It is one of the best units in the codex. There must be loads of people who don't have the inclination to convert something, who perhaps will be sucked into Tyranids by availability of a kit.

More bugs the better for me, gotta love those bugs... speaking of love I hope to start next year with one new big bugger

Kanluwen wrote:Breaking news!

Tervigons can get wings.

Tyrannofexes can ride Hive Tyrants!

You heard it here first, get yours while they're hot!

OMG! I'll go tell the guys at Taco Bell!

OMG! I'll go tell the guys at Taco Bell!

Get me a chalupa while you're there.

Kilkrazy wrote: who perhaps will be sucked into Tyranids by availability of a kit.

Count me in.

BrassScorpion wrote:

Chapterhouse wrote:In any case, these are unsubstantiated rumors, for some reason I dont believe there will be a 2nd wave of tyranids...

LOL, yeah, GW is never releasing another Tyranid model and the rumors that they are releasing more are totally implausible. That statement at least gives the appearance of having been posted in fear of losing sales. And the less than subtle negative comments about GW seem a bit unbecoming from a business that is entirely dependent upon Games Workshop. A case of biting the hand that feeds you I think.

It's been that way since they first came out, one of the strong reasons why i'll never buy from them.

Distinct lack of class.

Everyone please keep this thread on topic and refrain for insults, casual, thinly veiled, strong and direct, etc., about any users in particular.

Final warning, OK?

Thanks!

NAVARRO wrote:More bugs the better for me, gotta love those bugs... speaking of love I hope to start next year with one new big bugger

It here is the problem of nerdtalk in everyday live. Does that mean you will work on a minature or planing to have another kid?

I have the impression that interest in the nids has waned greatly in the past year particularly when compared to BA and Wolves. I don't think a second wave would revive this interest very much coming so long after the codex. I know for my part there's nothing in that list of models I really need or have been waiting for.

Symbio Joe wrote:

NAVARRO wrote:More bugs the better for me, gotta love those bugs... speaking of love I hope to start next year with one new big bugger

It here is the problem of nerdtalk in everyday live. Does that mean you will work on a minature or planing to have another kid?

It just means Im currently working on one big sculpt for bugfans sometime in January...

*grins*

Tervigon/Tyrranofex kit you say?

Harpy kit you suggest?

Doom model! *smacks the rippers down for embarrassing dancing*

...1 mini blister for yrmgarll?

Finally a lashwhip/bonesword blister... I have money this is going to look remarkably like the old metal warrior bits. Or maybe the original tyrant guard... no sword for them though.

The lack of a prime is somewhat confusing, along with the sporepod... but ultimately these sound like awesome rumors. August gives me some time to save between grad courses.

Tyranids have been selling well since the new release last January. I still see people buying piles of them at my local GW. A second wave would surely do well too.

Brass Scorpion wrote:A second wave would surely do well too.

I, for one, will start a Tyranid army if this becomes the case.

For the record, I have also recently purchased Chapterhouse's Tervigon conversion kit and am entirely satisfied with it in the absence of an official model.

I kind of wonder if the Ymgarl Stealer information isn't another case of wire-crossage.

I can't see them selling them as one metal kit, which would just be...well, useless and wouldn't sell anywhere near as well as if they released a set of metal Ymgarl Stealer heads and other bits and bobbles.

Yup, a metal mini anything above a 5 man/monster/alien infantry unit always struck me as stupid. 5 Incubi fine, but I assume if you take Ymgarl you are looking at at least 8 minis, if not more. Flash git was equally useless and disappointing on that front for me.

As you say, better to re-cut a sprue of Ymgarl bitz for direct order from the existing pieces. Far, far more useful.

Marrak wrote:The lack of a prime is somewhat confusing

Here's to hoping that people figure out some day that a Tyranid Prime IS a Warrior, not a special Warrior, just a Warrior. Those extra shoulder pads? Yeah. Boom. Tyranid Prime.

On track: I don't use any of them really, but the Lash Whip/Bonesword sprue makes me very happy. I use them on all my Warriors and am unwilling to buy 3rd party or convert them. The Harpy, well, if the model is cool enough, I'll start using one in my army.

As for the Doom? I know he's going to look insanely awesome, and I will be very happy to finally have an actual Doom model, not just a Zoanthrope that thinks he's Doom.

Kanluwen wrote:I kind of wonder if the Ymgarl Stealer information isn't another case of wire-crossage.

I can't see them selling them as one metal kit, which would just be...well, useless and wouldn't sell anywhere near as well as if they released a set of metal Ymgarl Stealer heads and other bits and bobbles.

Maybe that’s not the point – it did say that it would be like the Flash Git model, and just a one-off “collector” piece. Yes, it’s not useful, and a conversion kit would be far more practical (and good from a sales perspective), but I can see them doing that.

See, now if that's the case then I hope it's posed awesomely as a centerpiece for a unit of Ymgarl Stealers.

The Fragile Breath wrote:

Marrak wrote:The lack of a prime is somewhat confusing

Here's to hoping that people figure out some day that a Tyranid Prime IS a Warrior, not a special Warrior, just a Warrior. Those extra shoulder pads? Yeah. Boom. Tyranid Prime.

On track: I don't use any of them really, but the Lash Whip/Bonesword sprue makes me very happy. I use them on all my Warriors and am unwilling to buy 3rd party or convert them. The Harpy, well, if the model is cool enough, I'll start using one in my army.

As for the Doom? I know he's going to look insanely awesome, and I will be very happy to finally have an actual Doom model, not just a Zoanthrope that thinks he's Doom.

I fully understand the Prime is a warrior, but by that logic, a SM Captain is still a SM.

It's not an absolutely required model, but the lack of one is still surprising.

That is not quite true.

The new Tyranid Codex is a retro Codex, giving new rules to old OOP models like spike rifle gaunts, strangleweb gaunts, old bonesword Warriors (photo on the right), Epicast Mycetic spore, Armorcast Exocrine (=Tyrannofex), Armorcast Malefactor (=Tervigon), and esp. the old Hive Tyrant (now Alpha Warrior, photo on the left, modified with Chapterhouse bitz):



And Chapterhouse has perfect Ymgarl heads, Chapterhouse and Troll Forged perfect Dooms, and even more companies now offer bone swords and Mycetic Spores.

I agree its a throwback codex, being a nid player since 1995. Im surprised at how you used our bits on the 2nd edition Tyrant, thats a new one for me!

You still use the fugly Twarriors though with the bugsbunny teeth?!

I love the original warriors, apart from the teeth. I miss the sting tail, the thorax/abdomen split and the exposed organs under the ribs...

The old warriors were Awesome. It was the crap metal Warriors that came after that were horrid.

Chapterhouse wrote:You still use the fugly Twarriors though with the bugsbunny teeth?!

I had a few and bought several extra. But I might buy some more to apply your alien heads

I've got a lot of the old plastic and metal 'Nid Warriors from late 1st Ed/2nd Ed (for the metals). I like them really. I've got heaps of the current ones as well, but the old ones had a certain charm to them.

The old bug warriors ARE Nid warriors to me. That's how they were when I first became aware of them and their latest incarnations are a bit too much Hive Tyrant lite for me. I'd probably think they were goofy if I wasn't looking at them through nostalgia goggles, but I don't know - they are way more creepy than the current range.

Advanced Space Crusade was the first 40K miniatures boxed game that I bought from GW. Those early plastic Tyranid Warriors and Genestealers still make up the core of my Tyranid army, though I have continued to add to it with each new generation of models.

BrassScorpion wrote:Advanced Space Crusade was the first 40K miniatures boxed game that I bought from GW. Those early plastic Tyranid Warriors and Genestealers still make up the core of my Tyranid army, though I have continued to add to it with each new generation of models.

Ditto, except when I bought it it was called 'Tyranid Attack'. Those 8 'Stealers and 6 Warriors have been the centre of my 'Nid army for... a long time now.

Saddly, while I have a few of my old things lying around, I was so bad at modeling and painting and storing my stuff back then they're not anything I would use in my current army. The only exception are my old old Screamer Killers, which other than their arms are still the old old metal ones. Those however do need to get tossed into a vat of Simple Green and cleaned up and repainted with less than their current 2" thick layer of paint.

Here a small update by stickmonkey on the 2nd wave:

There is a bit of speculation in this post so I'm putting in general and not rumors.

Lots of internal rumbling on a 2nd wave of tyranids. I don't have timelines, but expect it to hit before end of year, but after dark eldar releases complete that codex.

First, a new tyrant model is soon to debut. It has options for the swarm lord. It has some slight differences from the current metal, but is basically similar. I do think it stands between an inch or more higher, but not as tall as a trygon. I did not have an existing tyrant to compare. Wings are supposedly in the kit, but I did not see those.

Second, a harpy has been done, and will either be in this release or in the "summer of flyers"

Next for plastic kits the tervigon is finalized. IMO it does not exactly meet the image in the codex, but if you squint it's close. The model is nice and definitely fits the line.

This is where it gets fuzzy. The tyrranofex is not at all shaped or sized IMO like the tervigon model. I did not have them side by side to compare, but lot of Internet speculation these kits would be combined. I don't see it. Some pieces like legs might have dual use, but I didn't see sprue cuts to tell there. If they are one kit, it will surprise me.

No word on mycetic spores... Either way. I would place a bet they are also coming, but I don't know anything solid.

For metals,

There is a doom and parasite sculpted. They look as expected. Doom is fairly dynamic, parasite is a bit bigger than I thought and will likely use the larger skimmer base.

Also someone mentioned old one eye is getting a new sculpt, but I don't know how much faith I place in that one yet.

And a new yrgarll genestealer in metal...think flash gitz

That it for now.

Cheers.
(...)
Tyrant. Plastic.
Parasite. Vyper/wave serpent skimmer base, not flyer base.
Harpy. Flyer base. Harpy is about the size of a Valkyrie.

One thing I did not look closely at is the harpy/tyrant parts comparison. It's possible, though not probable, those might be a shared kit.

I'm afraid they are too late for a lot of Tyranid players.

I have already made my own Tervigons, Tyrannofexes and Mycetic Spores.

Newbies might be interested, though they are as likely to move on to GK or whatever is the nine days wonder this month.

If they get a new codex as part of the 2nd wave then Nidd will be all set.

Kilkrazy wrote:I'm afraid they are too late for a lot of Tyranid players.

I have already made my own Tervigons, Tyrannofexes and Mycetic Spores.

Newbies might be interested, though they are as likely to move on to GK or whatever is the nine days wonder this month.

The Tyranid debacle has to be considered a total failure for GW.

1. The codex is weak----most units fall into Top Tier or Crap Tier---and this should be the tinkerer codex of 40k considering the routes/evolution they have available.
2. They failed to realize what Top Tier was and have a model available for it (Pushing out the Venomthrope at launch while STILL not having a Tervigon/Tyrannofex?) There is a serious disconnect between design and production.
3. The FAQ made a weak codex even weaker. What two themes were present at launch (Tervigon baby maker or Tyrant Reserve shock)......they FAQ one away.

If they announced they were pushing Sisters/Necrons/Whatever back to better serve Nid players with a new Codex......I would endorse it.

Well, as usual, I'll play the devil's advocate. These new releases sound really exciting to me, I'm okay with our current codex, and my friends like to only use the FAQs on confusing rules.

Rumblings of a plastic Tyrant make Fragile very, very happy.

The Tyrant Models are going to have to look significantly better for me to change mine.

I'm all for Tervigon and Tyrannofex kits. I'm a terrible converter, and have no problem for that.

I"ll pick up the Special Characters as well.

Either way, I'm looking forward to this release.

Kilkrazy wrote:I'm afraid they are too late for a lot of Tyranid players.

I have already made my own Tervigons, Tyrannofexes and Mycetic Spores.

Newbies might be interested, though they are as likely to move on to GK or whatever is the nine days wonder this month.

Y'know for a bit there I thought I understood GW's thinking. Figuring that everyone already head Carnifexes they nerfed them and included several new uber units in the codex. Makes sense, push the new stuff right?

But... it's been what a year and a half? And they don't have the new stuff in the shops! They're pushing business to Chapterhouse etc among the hard core gamers and new guys will walk away after waiting forever for their uber units.

WHAT IS THE LOGIC HERE?

look the simple fact is this. Those units suck and are way overcosted. IF they want sales they need to do a white dwarf release with a rules update

1.Tyrannofex sucks is way overpriced 2

2. Harpy: up there with the worst units in 40k for the points

3. Y-Stealers are great but why would you by them one at a time in a blister?

4.The Doom after the FAQ nerf why would you buy this now?

5. The Tervigon people would buy this if the model was outstanding but if the price is too high people have already converted up there own I doubt you would see many. Hell I have 2 conveted up I wouldn't buy one.

Regardless of all the problems, delays, etc. a plastic Hive Tyrant with Swarmlord options and wings would sell like crazy. I would probably start up a third nid army if that came out.

Pretty binary responses here. Love or hate.

Kilkrazy wrote:I'm afraid they are too late for a lot of Tyranid players.

I have already made my own Tervigons, Tyrannofexes and Mycetic Spores.

Newbies might be interested, though they are as likely to move on to GK or whatever is the nine days wonder this month.

Tyrainds are my main army and it's not too late for me. Here's how I see it:

- Plastic Hive tyrant - Hell yes! I've got one old metal HT and one old metal Flyrant. They are fragile and a pain to tote around. They requrie much more TLC than my larger plastic trygon. I'll gladly retire them both for a well made plastic HT kit for nothing more than convenience.

- Plastic Tervigon - If it's a good kit then I'll pick up at least one. I built one of the CH tervigon conversions. It worked but it was just too fiddely for me to want to build more of them and I have no desire to scratchbuild one. Right now when I need another tervigon I plunk down an carnifex and call it counts as. I don't like proxies, so yes I'll probably pick one up.

- Tyranofex & Harpy - Maybe, it would depend on price and "cool" factor of the kit. I just haven't had the time or energy to convert either one, but I might be tempted by some good looking plastic.

- Everything else - probably not. I've either converted it or don't want it.

I don't argue that GW hasn't bungled Tyranids, but I haven't given up on them yet. GW certainly won't have gotten as much money out of me as they want, but if the rumors are half way true, they'll get some. The bottom line for me (and I expect others) is that cool looking kits will still generate some sales regardless of the state of competative gameplay.

Agreed, it has been a long wait. Yes there is a large selection of boneswords, and more than a few tervigon conversions/kits out there from 3rd parties.

The problem is that most of them are horrible, don't want to derail this thread (my views on CHS are well known, I suppose) but that dropping touted a few pages earlier would not attract my cash, nor have any of the other offerings out there. There are a few companies that provide half descent BSword alternatives, but they are all flawed in one way or another, so I have been making do with plasticard for now. I hope the GW swords are similar to the curent ones on the Hive Tyrant, as they are my prefered shape.

I hope the kits turn out like their art works, and if so I will be spending some of my cash on them. I also hope this rumor is true as I have heard the odd rumbling about 'nid kits, and plastic is so much nicer to deal with than metal.

They will probably look nothing like existing version, just so you can't sneak a 3rd party one in lol.

Personally, I am excited about all those rumours and will possibly uy all models, even when I already have some scratchbuild or non-GW versions. But I like variety and new shineys.

BTW bad news on a rerelease of the Forge World Tyranid terrain: Hive Node from www.warpshadow.com got this official answer by FW:

Hi there.

I’ve talked to the people in charge and they have informed me that due to the cost of making these terrain pieces we would have to increase the price of each kit by at least three times the previous amount. However, we are not prepared to re-release them at those prices and so we will be continuing the research into alternative production methods for our larger scenery pieces. As such we will not be able to supply them to you for the foreseeable future. Once again, please accept our apologies for any inconvenience caused.

Fun fact: The original Warseer thread disappeared without a trace, though hidden in "general discussion". Good thing I found it today and copied all information

I would not be surprised at all to see GW release the old FW Tyranid terrain as plastic kits at some point. In fact, I poured over every page of the NidDex where there was a capillary tower or other 'Nid terrain piece to see if there was any sign they were plastics...

It wouldn't be the first time they hid plastics in plain sight!

Valete,

JohnS

Someone say harpy?





Yea, im up to 3 now, and they really dont do all that much
Nice to sonic a unit for multi-assault, but thats about it.
Unless your against mech, and you can use them to pop transports all day long.

That is an excellent conversion Jack!

No lie! Do you have a step-by-step for that?

Well, that's a Trygon with a shortened tail (leave out middle part) plus added Balrog wings, weapons and talons on the wings, quite straightforward but good looking.

I was more daring and took a Reaper model (think shooting and flying by psychic means):

۞ Jack ۞ wrote:Someone say harpy?

That actually had me for a moment. But it's a Trygon isn't it? Where did the wings come from?

Kroot has it spot on

Trygon, missing tail mid section, balrog wings and 2 stranglethorn cannons.
About the only annoying part is clipping the carapace a bit behind the head and at the bottom to allow the parts to fit in a different pose



Edit:
Flash, let me know if theres any small tournies going on in the local area
Want to get more use out of them lol, as of now its the usual 7-8 people i play.

۞ Jack ۞ wrote:Flash, let me know if theres any small tournies going on in the local area
Want to get more use out of them lol, as of now its the usual 7-8 people i play.

Will do, but don't hear of many.

Thats the problem mate, usually get 1-2 a year down portsmouth, but wasnt sure of the southampton area.

Might have to make a thread on dakka and see whats about in hants.

That conversion is great Jack. I would put money on the Boneswords staying efectively the same as the current HT one if the basic shape isn't changing too much...

I'm really looking forward to this now, I know it's really early, but this might be the spur for me to get off my backside and get what I have finished so that I can get right on with any new stuff.

This reminds me that i need to buy some trygon kits and gargs and... yeah shame on me for not even getting one of the latest bugs ... maybe the new incoming bugs will spice me again.

Looking forward if there's a Tyrannofex and plastic hive tyrant. My old tyrant is missing a leg, and I want to make a new one now that I know what I'm doing.

Shouldn't it be... Tervigon that can be upgraded to a Tyrannofex? I don't see how the two could be in the same kit. They're drastically different! A tyrannofex is like a giant carnifex on steroids, while a tervigon is like a weaker carnifex

Unless I'm underestimating how big a tervigon is :3


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Mr Nobody wrote:Looking forward if there's a Tyrannofex and plastic hive tyrant. My old tyrant is missing a leg, and I want to make a new one now that I know what I'm doing.

I was thinking that it'd be a tervigon that can be upgraded to a tyrant. It would work, except for the fact that tervigons aren't upright like the tyrant, so you'd need a ball and socket sort of thing for the legs, instead of the little pegs they have

Samus_aran115 wrote:
Unless I'm underestimating how big a tervigon is :3

I think that's what it is. I think I'm doing the same thing. I think that all the carnifex-to-tervigon conversions have made it seem smaller than it really is. If you look at the backs of both creatures in the codex, they have the same three-stack configuration running down the shells of their armor, making them look very similar.

I think the tervigon is as big as the tyrannofex, but the conversions have down-sized it.

If you look at the picture of each in the book they have a lot of similarities in body-shape and structure. Having the two as a combined kit would work quite well I think, and would be another use for the big oval base.

I've been holding off on converting my own Tervigon and Tyrannofex due to the size. I've seen some very good conversions and scratchbuilds, but I'm worried that I'll spend time building something and it'll end up looking really bad once the official releases make it.

I feel there is a bias against us 'Nid players as the Dark Eldar are getting a third wave before we get a second wave. Yeah... Yeah... Yeah... the last time they saw any new releases was back when Reaganomics was king. :p

Kroothawk wrote:Here a small update by stickmonkey on the 2nd wave:

Harpy. Flyer base. Harpy is about the size of a Valkyrie.

Ugh. Really? Why does a T5 4W model need to be the size of a valkyrie? Is the standard table size going to go up to 4x8 with all these huge models GW is pumping out now?

*double post ignore please*

Arschbombe wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:Here a small update by stickmonkey on the 2nd wave:

Harpy. Flyer base. Harpy is about the size of a Valkyrie.

Ugh. Really? Why does a T5 4W model need to be the size of a valkyrie? Is the standard table size going to go up to 4x8 with all these huge models GW is pumping out now?

So, you know the stats--but don't know that it's a monstrous creature?

Yeah...there's a reason it will be "the size of a Valkyrie".

So, you know the stats--but don't know that it's a monstrous creature?

Yeah...there's a reason it will be "the size of a Valkyrie".

Just because its a monstrous creature doesn't mean it should be on the craptastic oval base. Frankly if it has the same LOS profile as a valk I'll be much less tempted to buy one. If there's any model in the codex, let alone the game, that needs a cover save, its a harpy. The valk profile, stand and base will make that pretty hard to do.

And if they always intended the harpy to be a 'flyer' on a flyer base, then why not give it move as jetbike rules? Something to justify the cost and LOS profile.

winterman wrote:
Just because its a monstrous creature doesn't mean it should be on the craptastic oval base. Frankly if it has the same LOS profile as a valk I'll be much less tempted to buy one. If there's any model in the codex, let alone the game, that needs a cover save, its a harpy. The valk profile, stand and base will make that pretty hard to do.

And if they always intended the harpy to be a 'flyer' on a flyer base, then why not give it move as jetbike rules? Something to justify the cost and LOS profile.

Why is the oval base "craptastic"? It's fine. Of all the things to complain about with GW minis, the oval base has got to be pretty far down there.

I dunno, I find it pretty offputting for some reason.

Da Boss wrote:I dunno, I find it pretty offputting for some reason.

I'm not crazy about it either.

Funny, hearing that the Harpy is the size of a Valkyrie made me even more excited for the release. I've never used a Harpy, but I'd buy one just to paint for Hive Fleet Seraphim.

Why is the oval base "craptastic"? It's fine. Of all the things to complain about with GW minis, the oval base has got to be pretty far down there.

Its fine for an undercosted flyer like the valk/vendetta. Its not a good base for anything you have to move through terrain, walls, etc to get into assault. It (and similar bases like bikes bases) cause issue with how one moves the model and not gain extra movement, or other similar shenanigans (eg multi assaulting with the trygon).

Keep it simple -- the harpy is a T5 W4 4+ save MC. Does it need to be the twice the size of a demon prince and perched 5" up in the air above any kind of cover save?

Its mostly fine, but unlike every other round base model, rotating the base in place can violate some of the movement rules for 40k. This is irrelevant when used on a vehicle, because the odd shaped hulls already have restricted movement when nearby models or impassable terrain and can already cheat forward movement by rotating...

But ultimately it isn't the shape of the base that tyranid players will take issue with but the 8" tall stem that will undoubtedly push the harpy up in to the stratosphere. Toughness 5, 4 wounds, 4+ armor, no possible cover save on most common tourney tables, unless you are generating your own cover through venomthropes. it is not an improvement on the harpy's playability. Perhaps if the venom cannon was more effective, than a case could be made that the increases LOS that the stem gives is useful, but I have not found that to be the case.

Regarding the other releases, even though I have converted my own tervigons and tyrrannofexes, and even received the odd compliment on them, I would much rather have cool plastic ones, and a standardization of their size would help in determining who can get cover from who, and who can give cover to who. It would make me very happy to have plastic kits for both of those units.

I don't use them, but both the doom and the parasite are often used special characters and it will be nice to have models representing them.

The ymgarl metal is rather silly. If you buy even a few boxes of genestealers to make regular ones, then you'll have ample tentacle faces, scything talon arms, and extended carapace bits to make your own ymgarl in plastic. But a single metal model won't be taxing GWs production much, so who cares.

I sure hope that promised metal bits pack is also a part of the release. lash whips and boneswords are a vital component of hte warrior unit, and completely lacking from the range.
Plastic hive tyrant would be pretty welcome too for casual play, but I don't tend to use them in my competitive lists. That's really pretty irrelevant though. many people will enjoy a new, cool looking fully plastic hive tyrant kit. And it'll be great to have in the line.

I think that the release will be good as it will at least show a standardization of size relationships for certain things. I've seen really small, fat, tyrannofexes to large, tall, tyrannofexes. I just wish they'd make a spore pod. I've seen tiny ones to F'N huge ones. It's ridiculous.

Shep wrote:Its mostly fine, but unlike every other round base model, rotating the base in place can violate some of the movement rules for 40k. This is irrelevant when used on a vehicle, because the odd shaped hulls already have restricted movement when nearby models or impassable terrain and can already cheat forward movement by rotating...

But ultimately it isn't the shape of the base that tyranid players will take issue with but the 8" tall stem that will undoubtedly push the harpy up in to the stratosphere. Toughness 5, 4 wounds, 4+ armor, no possible cover save on most common tourney tables, unless you are generating your own cover through venomthropes. it is not an improvement on the harpy's playability. Perhaps if the venom cannon was more effective, than a case could be made that the increases LOS that the stem gives is useful, but I have not found that to be the case.

Let's face it. Harpies shouldn't be seeing cover saves on any table. They're monstrous, flying creatures with no legs to land.

Regarding the other releases, even though I have converted my own tervigons and tyrrannofexes, and even received the odd compliment on them, I would much rather have cool plastic ones, and a standardization of their size would help in determining who can get cover from who, and who can give cover to who. It would make me very happy to have plastic kits for both of those units.

Yes. Yes it would. Mostly to screw the people who have the Tervigons/Tyrannofexes that are as long as a Land Raider, but height-wise are smaller than a Guardsman over.

I don't use them, but both the doom and the parasite are often used special characters and it will be nice to have models representing them.

The ymgarl metal is rather silly. If you buy even a few boxes of genestealers to make regular ones, then you'll have ample tentacle faces, scything talon arms, and extended carapace bits to make your own ymgarl in plastic. But a single metal model won't be taxing GWs production much, so who cares.

The Ymgarl metal isn't going to be a general release. That's what is meant by "Think Flash-Gitz". The Flash-Gitz model is one that, while looking dynamic as all get out, is very unique and would work best as a unit leader not as the basis for an entire unit.
Doom/Parasite I'd take or leave. The Doom wasn't that difficult to convert really.
The Parasite goes hand in hand with that, as if you're converting Shrikes/Winged Warriors--you're able to convert a Parasite fairly easy.

I sure hope that promised metal bits pack is also a part of the release. lash whips and boneswords are a vital component of hte warrior unit, and completely lacking from the range.
Plastic hive tyrant would be pretty welcome too for casual play, but I don't tend to use them in my competitive lists. That's really pretty irrelevant though. many people will enjoy a new, cool looking fully plastic hive tyrant kit. And it'll be great to have in the line.

They're not "completely lacking from the range". You just have to get them from the Hive Tyrant kit and bits sellers.

As it stands though, it's less likely to be a "metal bits pack" and more likely to be a plastic frame.

That also reminds me NAV, shouldnt you be sculpting up some more decent kits for us?
Would love something to replace the ugly abomination that is the new biovore.





Kan: Your right mate, about the only possible way i can find of giving cover to my harpies is by using them as shields for another one

Also mate, keep in mind that making a mould for metal is alot more price effective for them, and they can charge more for it.
I have my money on metal upgrades, like with the skaven slaves one in recent releases.

However, i have 4 large ones on my swarmy now, all converted.

Also have 9 warriors with twin bones, and 9 with bones and lash, again, converted.


I think they have missed the decent part of the market with these, took far too long to drop them.

۞ Jack ۞ wrote:

Kan: Your right mate, about the only possible way i can find of giving cover to my harpies is by using them as shields for another one

Also mate, keep in mind that making a mould for metal is alot more price effective for them, and they can charge more for it.
I have my money on metal upgrades, like with the skaven slaves one in recent releases.

I'd normally agree, but the fact that the Hive Tyrant is going to be plastic means there will be a plastic frame featuring those weapons.

If they do it right, they can just sell the frame by itself like they did with the Island of Blood High Elf Spearmen or the Apocalypse Squadron Command Frame.

However, i have 4 large ones on my swarmy now, all converted.
Also have 9 warriors with twin bones, and 9 with bones and lash, again, converted.
I think they have missed the decent part of the market with these, took far too long to drop them.

It did take them far too long to drop them, but at the same time:
Why should they have bothered? The market was rife with the 3rd party crap by the time the codex launched and the months immediately following it.

They've gotten to see what people are going after, what specific aesthetic they want(could easily find that out from seeing army showcases, etc from tournaments)--and now they get to come in with plastic versions and potentially just slap the 3rd party crap out of the equation.

Didnt see about the placcy tyrant :O

Got a metal one which is swarmy, but my flyrant is plastic as otherwise it wouldnt stand on its base right lol.


If they would have jumped on it with the initial release then they could have made a nice proffit.
A set with 2 large boneswords and 6 small ones would have been ace.
Instead they wait until everyone has them instead, then release them.
They should have bothered simply for the proffit if nothing else.


Keep in mind mate they could look ace, but equally they could look like arse.
allthough there is a basic pattern one on the tyrant, nothing is stopping them redoing them.

I don't know about them "making a nice profit" on the original release.

By this point in time, we've seen what the 3rd parties can do. They have no problems undercutting(or in some cases, charging more than GW) and producing absolute garbage.

Kanluwen wrote:They have no problems undercutting(or in some cases, charging more than GW) and producing absolute garbage.

Because GW isn't producing them. If they had been available I would have bought GW boneswords and not gone 3rd party. If they had been there in a bitz pack with the codex release, the 3rd party companies probably wouldn't have given it a go in the first place regardless of price. As much as we all bitch, there's still a sizable part of the comunity that remains brand loyal.

winterman wrote:Just because its a monstrous creature doesn't mean it should be on the craptastic oval base.

Sometimes, a 60mm base is just not big enough

Da Boss wrote:I dunno, I find it pretty offputting for some reason.

Man, you got issues. Just because the oval base is shaped a bit like a... you know...

Kanluwen wrote:I don't know about them "making a nice profit" on the original release.

By this point in time, we've seen what the 3rd parties can do. They have no problems undercutting(or in some cases, charging more than GW) and producing absolute garbage.

Not much point in putting something in a codex if there's no model for it.

But you knew that.

also: *trolled-softly.jpg*

Kilkrazy wrote:

Da Boss wrote:I dunno, I find it pretty offputting for some reason.

Man, you got issues. Just because the oval base is shaped a bit like a... you know...

Pineapple? (Or am I the only one seeing that?)

(Really it's because I think the fliers look ridiculous on the tiny tables we play on. Fliers are better in epic scale games)

Man, you got issues. Just because the oval base is shaped a bit like a... you know...

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Worglock wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:I don't know about them "making a nice profit" on the original release.

By this point in time, we've seen what the 3rd parties can do. They have no problems undercutting(or in some cases, charging more than GW) and producing absolute garbage.

Not much point in putting something in a codex if there's no model for it.

But you knew that.

also: *trolled-softly.jpg*

Sure there is. Or do you expect Sergeant Bastonne to have a model?

Its a shame that GW didn't make these models earlier, but its a good thing they are doing it now! The Bonesword bit for the Tyrannid Warriors is a breath of fresh air since having to convert almost everything that is useful in the army can get quite annoying. I can't wait to see how the Tervigon/Tyrannofex model looks.

Worglock wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:I don't know about them "making a nice profit" on the original release.

By this point in time, we've seen what the 3rd parties can do. They have no problems undercutting(or in some cases, charging more than GW) and producing absolute garbage.

Not much point in putting something in a codex if there's no model for it.

But you knew that.

also: *trolled-softly.jpg*

It's almost like they put more stuff in the book than they release or already have out so that they can hit up that book's players for more money later.

Does anyone know for sure if this second release really is coming or is this still just a rumor. I read almost all of the last 5 pages and it still seems like a pipe dream.

Why? to quote rwwin, Gw has royally bungled the Tyranid codex. It really irks me at how little thought they apparently put into some of this dex. Fail. Yep. Fail GW.
on another note. I would buy two Tervigons if the kit didnt suck. why. Just to have em for when i wanted to play a really fun game against anyone playing an older codex.

Kroothawk wrote:

winterman wrote:Just because its a monstrous creature doesn't mean it should be on the craptastic oval base.

Sometimes, a 60mm base is just not big enough

I love The Mother of All Broods! Pity you can't get 'em anymore... I'd been thinking about getting a couple for a Tervigon army...

Valete,

JohnS

sennacherib wrote:Does anyone know for sure if this second release really is coming or is this still just a rumor. I read almost all of the last 5 pages and it still seems like a pipe dream.

As the title says, it is still early rumours by one source, stickmonkey. But his rumours get more concrete.

Kanluwen wrote:

Worglock wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:I don't know about them "making a nice profit" on the original release.

By this point in time, we've seen what the 3rd parties can do. They have no problems undercutting(or in some cases, charging more than GW) and producing absolute garbage.

Not much point in putting something in a codex if there's no model for it.

But you knew that.

also: *trolled-softly.jpg*

Sure there is. Or do you expect Sergeant Bastonne to have a model?

actually, yes I do expect Sergeant Clownshoes to have a model. Just like I expect "Giant Alien Monster of Zerg Rush" to have a model. Because, well, the game is based on models.

Funny how that works.


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Worglock wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:I don't know about them "making a nice profit" on the original release.

By this point in time, we've seen what the 3rd parties can do. They have no problems undercutting(or in some cases, charging more than GW) and producing absolute garbage.

Not much point in putting something in a codex if there's no model for it.

But you knew that.

also: *trolled-softly.jpg*

It's almost like they put more stuff in the book than they release or already have out so that they can hit up that book's players for more money later.

Except that they don't, or they wait so long that by the time they get around to it, people either don't care anymore, or have just switched to he newest over-powered Speds Marheenz cheese list with baby carriers that has come out in the meantime.

Are we sure there's going to be a plastic Hive Tyrant? I'd think GW would be more inclined to make a big new plastic kit for something that people don't have (Tervigon/Tyrannofex) than something most people already do.

There is room for all three in the next release. And a plastic Hive Tyrant has been on the GW internal wish list as long as plastic Gargoyles (esp. now that you need a model for the Swarmlord and more boneswords).

H.B.M.C. wrote:Are we sure there's going to be a plastic Hive Tyrant? I'd think GW would be more inclined to make a big new plastic kit for something that people don't have (Tervigon/Tyrannofex) than something most people already do.

Thats assuming that newer players or people like me who hate metal won't buy one as a replacement. Anything that makes my figure case lighter is good, plus it won't explode at the mearest touch of an unwashed. Assumptions like these would mean that we would still be playing with RTB-01 marines, because why would any one buy news ones when they already have...?

I agree it has been way too long to get these minis, but I maintain that with them we should see more 'nid players at the tables.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Are we sure there's going to be a plastic Hive Tyrant? I'd think GW would be more inclined to make a big new plastic kit for something that people don't have (Tervigon/Tyrannofex) than something most people already do.

Like Kroothawk said: there's room for all of them in the next release.

With the Hive Tyrant, there's been stirrings for awhile that they want to do the Hive Tyrant in plastic. They're trying to get rid of as many big metal kits as they can.

I can only hope that there is REALLY going to be a tervigon model. I already have everything else i need but this seems like something that anyone in their right mind, working for GW would have known to be a hot seller. Why they delayed as long as they did, no one can say. I am suspicious that it had something to do with allowing lots of time for people to convert their own, and then make these models obselete via the release of a way cooler model of their own. Planned obselesence seems to be a more active part of GW marketing strategy.

Having a Tervigon 2 years after Codex release and having a 2 year preparation for a plastic release might point to the fact, that Tervigons, Hydras and Tyrannofexes were added at a late stage in Codex development. Keep in mind that it was a first to have that many new and essential units in a Codex without a model, and every thread on Warseer suggesting their existence at that time was locked and deleted immediately for being unfounded nonsense.

If it is optional for tervigon/ tyrannofexes I'm definitely getting three...

Has this ever happened before, where a 2nd wave for a later Codex release (Dark Eldar) came first? To me, that makes it feel like there will not be a 2nd wave Tyranids release.

Fearspect wrote:Has this ever happened before, where a 2nd wave for a later Codex release (Dark Eldar) came first? To me, that makes it feel like there will not be a 2nd wave Tyranids release.

Yes, see any space marine release.

GW do not have a release policy that treats all armies equally, they focus on what they think will sell (as any company would).

Dark Eldar are a special case as 13 years after the last release the old miniatures are practically unusable, so the whole range had to be redesigned as a whole. Now it is done, they want to release the models so the army is playable.

That said, the Tervigon is also urgently needed. And having 2nd waves between Codex releases at all is still quite a new thing.

Kroothawk wrote:Having a Tervigon 2 years after Codex release and having a 2 year preparation for a plastic release might point to the fact, that Tervigons, Hydras and Tyrannofexes were added at a late stage in Codex development. Keep in mind that it was a first to have that many new and essential units in a Codex without a model, and every thread on Warseer suggesting their existence at that time was locked and deleted immediately for being unfounded nonsense.

Forum threads being locked and deleted on Warseer at whim just means it's a day ending in "y".


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Fearspect wrote:Has this ever happened before, where a 2nd wave for a later Codex release (Dark Eldar) came first? To me, that makes it feel like there will not be a 2nd wave Tyranids release.

I'm less inclined to believe that they're releasing items in "waves" as opposed to "releasing items when Matt Ward manages to slam his head into the right colored picture on the wall at the office".

Kanluwen wrote:
So, you know the stats--but don't know that it's a monstrous creature?

Yeah...there's a reason it will be "the size of a Valkyrie".

That's it? It's a monstrous creature so it needs to be a bigger target than all the other monstrous creatures?

A daemon prince with wings isn't the size of a valk. Tyrants aren't the size of a valk, The trygon is as tall as a valk, but doesn't take up nearly as much table space.

Yeah, there's a reason it will be the size of a valk. It's GW not understanding the unit's relative value on the tabletop and thinking if it's valk-sized they can charge a valk price and everyone will buy it. I'm sure there was a reason behind the pyrovore model too.

Can't wait for these new models to come out :d nids are definatly going to be my second 40k army list

Arschbombe wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:
So, you know the stats--but don't know that it's a monstrous creature?

Yeah...there's a reason it will be "the size of a Valkyrie".

That's it? It's a monstrous creature so it needs to be a bigger target than all the other monstrous creatures?

A daemon prince with wings isn't the size of a valk. Tyrants aren't the size of a valk, The trygon is as tall as a valk, but doesn't take up nearly as much table space.

A Daemon Prince with wings can also walk. Tyrants have had an established size for awhile, as have Trygons. There was existing framework there, and they worked from that.

Yeah, there's a reason it will be the size of a valk. It's GW not understanding the unit's relative value on the tabletop and thinking if it's valk-sized they can charge a valk price and everyone will buy it. I'm sure there was a reason behind the pyrovore model too.

Yeahhh...not really.
They're going to make it "the size of a valk" because they're going to do everything they can to put the screws to the chumps who like to field monstrous creatures that have a profile as small as a Guardsman.

Quality, new models
now can we have a new book? or atleast our previous one back :K

Kanluwen wrote:

A Daemon Prince with wings can also walk.

So can a Harpy. The rules are the same. Monstrous creature + wings.

They're going to make it "the size of a valk" because they're going to do everything they can to put the screws to the chumps who like to field monstrous creatures that have a profile as small as a Guardsman.

Riiiiight. As if there were anything that would prevent those evil "chumps" from making the valk base 1/2" tall. How rampant are these "chumps?" I haven't seen a single one.

The only way a valk-sized Harpy makes any sense is in conjunction with the rumored summer of fliers where it gets new rules to let it move faster and get some sort of protection like a fast skimmer. As it stands under the current rules it's just heavy bolter fodder.

Well, most Tyranid models get larger, even Termagants and certainly Hive Tyrants and Carifexes. 2nd edition Hive Tyrant can now double as an Alpha Warrior. Next Hive Tyrant is rumoured to be again an inch larger. Trygon was originally a gargantuan creature, now a mere monstrous creature. Has to do with GW's ability to manufacture bigger models and big Tyranids looking cool (noone is scared by a 2nd edition Carnifex that is easy road kill for a Land Raider). BTW size doesn't matter much for a Harpy, as flyers rarely have cover.

I don't use a Metal Tyrant, as Tyrants aren't great in this Codex and my army uses one of the Forge World Tyrants because I love the updated-3rd edition look. However, I would definitely buy one if it came out in plastic, if only for a Swarmlord.

Honestly, I will probably buy at least one of every model in this release. More than likely several of the Tervigons.

Darth Bob wrote:I don't use a Metal Tyrant, as Tyrants aren't great in this Codex and my army uses one of the Forge World Tyrants because I love the updated-3rd edition look. However, I would definitely buy one if it came out in plastic, if only for a Swarmlord.

I was thinking of getting the plastic as a Swarmlord to go with my Forgeworld Tyrants since it should be a lot bigger, but then I realised there's a getter use. GW model for Tyrants with armoured shell, Forgeworld Tyrants for wings and Tyants without armoured shell.

Asked about rumours for the 2nd wave Tyranids, Harry said:

There might be the odd Nid or two in the pipeline.

I've heard these rumors, I've also heard that there will also be a plastic Hive Tyrant released with the Second wave of Nids. I wouldn't be suprised from a second wave, there were several big units in the Nids Dex that seem to have gotten looked over by GW.

A plastic hive tyrant would be nice...like real nice.

dalsiandon wrote:A plastic hive tyrant would be nice...like real nice.

Though this is an obvious statement it has the advantage of being non-controversial. Yes it would be nice. I'd add a Swarmlord to my rarely used Tyranid army if there was an all plastic option to do so. It would be a fun modeling opportunity.

Isn't a year and a half a little late for a 2nd wave release?

Davor wrote:Isn't a year and a half a little late for a 2nd wave release?

Yes and no.

The 2nd wave releases for most have been a year and a half, or thereabouts.

The only reason Dark Eldar are really swarming the release schedule right now is that the entire range and background and book were redone.
Dark Eldar have been in the works for what, a decade or thereabouts? They've had the time to work on the stuff. Tyranids...not so much.

Thanks Kanluwen, for the answer. I thought I saw BA have a 2nd release as well, so was surprised how they got one while Tyranids didn't

Davor wrote:Thanks Kanluwen, for the answer. I thought I saw BA have a 2nd release as well, so was surprised how they got one while Tyranids didn't

With Space Marines it's kind of an iffy thing.

The Battleforce that we saw released? That's an easy release for a 2nd wave. It's just them repackaging existing sprues.
The Dreadnought? A few retools of an existing frame, some new bits here and there--voila, entirely new Dreadnought!

The Stormraven is really the only entirely new thing in that mix; but that was really inevitable considering the Grey Knights book was going to have it in there as well.

BrassScorpion wrote:

dalsiandon wrote:A plastic hive tyrant would be nice...like real nice.

Though this is an obvious statement it has the advantage of being non-controversial. Yes it would be nice. I'd add a Swarmlord to my rarely used Tyranid army if there was an all plastic option to do so. It would be a fun modeling opportunity.

I'm sorry I was unaware that an obvious non-controversial statement would be a sore spot. As many gaunts as I have built and the genestealers I have in place to build the one thing that keeps me from going full out into the 'Nids is how expensive they are (cost wise in terms of money) and how limited their HQ is at this time. But I guess that could be said of many of the races in this game. Although plenty of IoM HQ can be had for 15 bucks or or so.

I was unaware that an obvious non-controversial statement would be a sore spot.

Sore spot? That's an odd inference. Do people here spend all their time looking for something to be upset about? To quote a famous science fiction movie, "It's a madhouse, a madhouse!" LOL.

BrassScorpion wrote:

I was unaware that an obvious non-controversial statement would be a sore spot.

Sore spot? That's an odd inference.

Just guessing, after all I did not expect my remark to generate any kind of comment at all.

Kroothawk wrote:Next Hive Tyrant is rumoured to be again an inch larger.

That will likely be the case. However, given 5th edition's rule sets that deny cover unles 50% obscured and make hiding very difficult...that makes little tactical sense. It's like an inseparateble wall separates thier modelors from the game's designers. Bigger isn't better. The hive tyrant would be better suited to return to its smaller 3rd edition profile (FW models). Besides, it looks too much now like a cumbersome carnifex rather than the lean, dangerous preditor it was.

Big Tyranids looking cool (noone is scared by a 2nd edition Carnifex that is easy road kill for a Land Raider).

I agree they "look" cool...but in turkey shoot 5th edition, few opponents are scared of a 4th edition carnifex unless its babysat by its dimunitive cousin the Alpha warrior.

BTW size doesn't matter much for a Harpy, as flyers rarely have cover.

The 5th edition codex (which should last another 4 years) isn't a flyer though, and its rules, not some adhoc expansion, should be the basis on designing the model. I would prefer to have the harpy the size of a land speeder and hug the ground.

awwww. rap you had to go and remi.d me we have 4 years left on this crap book. eh well, ....crap.

Again, this codex is much more competitive in 5th edition than was the previous codex (in 5th edition)...we should at least be thankfull for that. Personally, I think the edition (ie the main rule book) has more to do with most Nid player's grievances than simply the codex. We should see a new edition before too long. Here's hoping they take a step back from thier current vehicle lovegasm .

I think you are right, it is more in the current rules. Since this book was written for 5th, however, the current ruleset had to have been taken into account. We know whether it was the chicken or the egg in this case.

wyomingfox wrote:That will likely be the case. However, given 5th edition's rule sets that deny cover unles 50% obscured and make hiding very difficult...that makes little tactical sense. It's like an inseparateble wall separates thier modelors from the game's designers. Bigger isn't better. The hive tyrant would be better suited to return to its smaller 3rd edition profile (FW models). Besides, it looks too much now like a cumbersome carnifex rather than the lean, dangerous preditor it was.

While I agree the FW models suit the Tyrant far more than GW's (aside from not representing the armoured shell biomorph at all), having a bigger Hive Tyrant doesn't mean it won't get cover. Few people run walking Tyrants without Tyrant Guard, and a single Tyrant Guard will give a bigger Tyrant the same opportunity for cover saves as the current Tyrant.

Something else to consider is being a plastic model means you can much more easily convert it. Get the knife and green stuff out and make yourself a crouching Tyrant

-Loki- wrote:

wyomingfox wrote:That will likely be the case. However, given 5th edition's rule sets that deny cover unles 50% obscured and make hiding very difficult...that makes little tactical sense. It's like an inseparateble wall separates thier modelors from the game's designers. Bigger isn't better. The hive tyrant would be better suited to return to its smaller 3rd edition profile (FW models). Besides, it looks too much now like a cumbersome carnifex rather than the lean, dangerous preditor it was.

While I agree the FW models suit the Tyrant far more than GW's (aside from not representing the armoured shell biomorph at all), having a bigger Hive Tyrant doesn't mean it won't get cover. Few people run walking Tyrants without Tyrant Guard, and a single Tyrant Guard will give a bigger Tyrant the same opportunity for cover saves as the current Tyrant.

Something else to consider is being a plastic model means you can much more easily convert it. Get the knife and green stuff out and make yourself a crouching Tyrant

i would very much like one from the entry of C:tyranids because the artwork for them is amazing but the model atm doesn't come close to it :(

-Loki- wrote:Having a bigger Hive Tyrant doesn't mean it won't get cover. Few people run walking Tyrants without Tyrant Guard, and a single Tyrant Guard will give a bigger Tyrant the same opportunity for cover saves as the current Tyrant. Something else to consider is being a plastic model means you can much more easily convert it. Get the knife and green stuff out and make yourself a crouching Tyrant

Valid point. Though a Flyrant wouldn't benefit from a TG. Also, a larger HT does make hiding the overall unit behind LOS Blocking terrain more difficult (not that it is easy in 5th edition anyways) . I would still prefer a smaller, plastic HT. Can't I have my cake and eat it to?

-Loki- wrote:Something else to consider is being a plastic model means you can much more easily convert it. Get the knife and green stuff out and make yourself a crouching Tyrant

Crouching Tyrant, Hidden Trygon!

Sure, you can model something to take advantage of cover. But you're less likely to get flak for it if you create a cool narrative-reason for the pose, like the Tyrant looking a captive human commander in the eye or something. I know all the crawling Wraithlord guys always get crap for their models in tourney situations. But a cool diorama-style modeling choice will go a long way to mitigating that (like the kneeling Altaioc sniper-Wraithlord one of the GW guys did).

wyomingfox wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:Next Hive Tyrant is rumoured to be again an inch larger.

That will likely be the case. However, given 5th edition's rule sets that deny cover unles 50% obscured and make hiding very difficult...that makes little tactical sense. It's like an inseparateble wall separates thier modelors from the game's designers. Bigger isn't better. The hive tyrant would be better suited to return to its smaller 3rd edition profile (FW models). Besides, it looks too much now like a cumbersome carnifex rather than the lean, dangerous preditor it was.

I, for one, would hate it if it got smaller. The 3rd edition Tyrant looked awful with it's massive head (compared to it's itty-bitty legs) and smiling teeth. The new one looks great, but is a pain in the rear to model, convert, and transport.

The rumor-mongers who feed me goodies have said that the Hive Tyrant plastic kit will be much more akin to the Swarmlord from Dawn of War 2: Retribution. Bigger size, but far scarier, and with a crap-ton of options. It's also not unrealistic to expect plastic (or resin) kits for the Tyrant Guard/Hive Guard in wave 3. Box of 3 for $53.75 like the Bloodcrushers, would be my guess, or even $44.50 like the Raveners.

As the mods closed the other thread, here a copy of brassangel's post there, which is exactly in line with stickmonkey's prediction, but with more details:

***UPDATE***

There will apparently be another wave of Tyranids coming soon, possibly a 3rd after that.

A Harpy is supposedly due with the "Summer of Flyers" 40k release, but that's not a part of the wave. This 2nd wave will either be in the fall or winter, and hopefully not pushed back any further. Think of how the Dark Eldar got some wave releases around and during the time of the new Grey Knights release, and expect this wave to be rather quiet alongside either the Tau or Necrons.

The models are said to be:

Tyrannofex/Tervigon (plastic kit - roughly US $50, like the Trygon)
Hive Tyrant/Swarmlord (plastic kit - roughly US $53, like the Dreadknight - if you've seen the size of the Swarmlord in Dawn of War 2: Retribution, you have the right idea...)
The Doom of Malan'tai (either metal, or that new resin/plastic hybrid we've been hearing about)
Special Edition Ymgarl Genestealer (1 mold only, Direct Order only)

Take with enough salt to season pasta water.

What you guys are fogetting is that the tyrannofex is much bigger than the tervigon. i think they will be released as seperate models or it will be added to the carnifex as an extra body or even as a seperate model. i don't think they will be in the same box. just look at the chimnies on their backs. tyrannofex must be bigger as it can fit 3 rows on its back and is a massive beast whearas a tervigon is around the same size as a carnifex. also you can't really take anything about this seriously. what is this guys source. i know gamesworkshop wouldn't release that much info so just think about it. in my opinion the second wave of nids could come (possibly this summer) but there is no evidence to say what games workshop will do. they don't even tell the staff in the stores. the first we will know of it is when they announce the second wave. then they will probably do a black box afew weeks to a month before they come out and only on the day will they release what they are going to release to the full extent. all i am saying is don't get your hopes up and don't assume anything. plus if we all knew what was coming out before they came out what would be the fun in that. sure you can plan ahead but you don't get the exitment of going into your store and finding all this new cool stuff. if they make morenids, great. i will be buying loads, but just wait and we will see what happens...

1R0NM0NK3Y wrote:What you guys are fogetting is that the tyrannofex is much bigger than the tervigon. i think they will be released as seperate models or it will be added to the carnifex as an extra body or even as a seperate model. i don't think they will be in the same box. just look at the chimnies on their backs. tyrannofex must be bigger as it can fit 3 rows on its back and is a massive beast whearas a tervigon is around the same size as a carnifex..

The Tervigon has three rows as well and from what I have been hearing, these models might look a little different than what is depicted in the codex art.

As for sources, I take Kroothawk and stickmonkey very seriously. Brassangel's post corroborates Stickymonkey's so I am believing this is legit. Kroothawk has never let us down either.

Rumours are always just rumours, but some sources are more trustworthy than others. just think about how great Sony is at keeping their new release plans secret. the sad truth, for the company at least, is that information leaks do happen.

there's no way that the Tervigon should only be as big as a Carnifex. it's supposed to have a giant stomach/abdomen teeming with fully formed termagants that it plonks down on the battlefield. replace that big belly with a big gun and blammo! tyranofex!
and if you look at the new Tomb Kings Warsphinx/Necrosphinx box those two models are pretty different from one another. Different enough, at least, that I fully believe that GW could/would also do Tervigon/tyranofex, Talos/Chronos pain Engines, Razorwing jetfighter/voidraven bomber combi sets without batting an eye.

it's supposed to have a giant stomach/abdomen teeming with fully formed termagants that it plonks down on the battlefield

what i meant was it would be a carnifex body with an extra bit you would glue to the bottem to make it larger. sorry about that, i should have elaborated.

and the tyrannofex is bigger, it has a gun designed to take down super heavy tanks!!!!!! and all in all you can see the chimnies are further apart and the beast is just collosal. i get where you are coming from and i made a mistake, i only thought it had 2 rows of chimnies, but all in all it is supposed to be a bigger beast so why would they use the same kit.

and i agree it is very likly that a tervigon and a tyrannofex would be in a second wave but all i am saying is there is no proof. not saying it wont happen, it probably will, but you can never be sure unless games workshop actually announce it and make sure they don't announce it on april 1st, lol. these guys may have been right in the past and i am not saying they are wrong but either way unless you have proof you can't really be sure. to be honest, in this case, i do beleive them, simply because of the amount of thing in the codex that ended up hardly being used...


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