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Post by: Sanguinis
So my question to you guys is this. Who is the most powerful 40K leader?
The Emperor-Leader of the Imperium. Most powerful Psyker ever. Possibly has a spirit in the warp that rivals the Chaos Gods in power.
The Chaos Gods-Who's power is so great that if they even set foot in the material universe it would collapse under their energy.
The C'tan (Specifically the Void Dragon)-Who are the Star Gods that made the Necrons so powerful and almost ate the universe.
Eldrad-Who's mind is so powerful he is currently locked in a struggle of wills with the Black Fortress which is a sentient machine that is also apparently a Psyker.
The Tyranid Hive Minds-Who control the whole of the Tyranid race and are also thought to be very powerful Psykers.
The Orkz (I mean the whole race)-Who, its thought, could conquer the Galaxy if they ever got over their own petty feuds and joined together.
The Tau (Again the Whole Race)-Who are thought to be the ones who will inherit the Galaxy after the dust settles.
I know the last two aren't really leaders but they don't really have powerful leaders but according to their fluff they could end up with the Galaxy after a while so I included them anyway.
So I'm curious and thanks for responding!
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Post by: 1hadhq
ORks and Tau need leaders too, maybe maggieT and the space pope?
To answer your question:
TheEmperor.
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Post by: Formosa
Sanguinis wrote:
The Emperor-Leader of the Imperium. Most powerful Psyker ever. Possibly has a spirit in the warp that rivals the Chaos Gods in power.
The most powerful being who has ever lived.. yep
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Post by: AlmightyWalrus
The Immortal God-Emperor of Mankind, of course.
Anything else is Heresy!
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Post by: Ed_Bodger
I'm going to use my 1000th post to throw the full weight of my support behind the Emperor, regardless of any argument I back him.
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Post by: Joske De Veteraan
THE most powerfull is (ofcourse) the emperor.. what a question XD
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Post by: Eldrad
The Emperor isnt any more. I mean in his day he would be the gratest only next to maybe Houres. But in the curent time period Grork and Mork are the strongest. As far as Pyshic goes i would say Eldrad all the way.
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Post by: AlmightyWalrus
Eldrad wrote:The Emperor isnt any more.
The Adeptus Custodes called. They generously refrain from suing you and taking you infront of the God-Emperor of Mankind to have your mind ripped to pieces in exchange for your promise that you cease this silliness.
Nah, who am I kidding? That wasn't the Custodes, that was the  , they asked me to tell you to cancel any scheduled events you intend to be going to the next eternity.
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Post by: Just Dave
Eldrad wrote:The Emperor isnt any more. I mean in his day he would be the gratest only next to maybe Houres. But in the curent time period Grork and Mork are the strongest. As far as Pyshic goes i would say Eldrad all the way.
Except Eldrad is even more dead (that's right, more dead!) than the Emperor.
I actually have to say the Emperor.
We don't know the true strength of the Hive Mind or Gork and Mork (are we sure the latter even exist?).
The Tau don't have any real leader other than the Space Pope and well...
Eldrad isn't a particularly extra ordinary being compared to Emps and several gods, as much as I like the guy.
Chaos and C'tan are a close second (joint) for me. The power of Chaos is easy to see and their subjects (eg. Bloodthirsters) are clearly incredibly deadly, however they constantly fail and are reliant on the existence of mankind.
The C'tan are powerful, but dwindling and considering the Emperor seemingly defeated the Void Dragon(?) before it suggests he's more powerful.
Ultimately I have to say the Emperor, it seems a bit Space Marine fanboy-ish, but he did create the Primarchs, Space Marines, access to the webway and much more. I think he'd still be up and running now if he didn't go easy on Horus...
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Post by: VikingScott
The Chaos gods do not lead armys.
Chaos Lords do.
So if anything Abbaddon is leader of that faction.
Emperor most powerful leader.
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Post by: WARORK93
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Post by: Darkvoidof40k
At the moment? The Emperor. Just the fact that he exists, even as a myth, to many ka-trilla-billions of the normal humans in the universe is a great power, even if he didn't want it.
Modest bastard that he is, of course..
But, he is gonna finally fall over and die soon enough, although it's still a wonder how his magic chair holds his skeleton together..
and how do you have a mind without a brain..
Too many damned questions. That's the upside of the Chaos gods, you don't need to think (Tzeentch does that for everyone, apparently), you just need to walk forward, scream, pillage and die.
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Post by: Retribution
The Hive Mind, the singularly combined psychic might of bazillions and bazillions and bazillions of organisms
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Post by: Eldrad
Actuly Eldrad is very much alive. He may now be part wraith bone tree but wraith bone is a living substance there for he is more alive than any one else on the list.
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Post by: AlmightyWalrus
Eldrad wrote:Actuly Eldrad is very much alive. He may now be part wraith bone tree but wraith bone is a living substance there for he is more alive than any one else on the list.
Not more than the Emperor, and certainly not more than the C'tan or the Chaos Gods.
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Post by: Eldrad
Actuly what happened in the battle imbetween Horus and his father is that Horus rammed a sword through his fathers head and the only reason why the emperor killed Horus is becuase Horus was using some sort of invaunrable save device that was believed to be damaged when he was fighting a grater demon of khorn or so im told.
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All and all i blaame Tzeench for it.
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Also i say that Ynead will be the strongest thing ever.
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He is believed to be able to kill slannesh which is somthing Nurgle couldnt even do
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Post by: Emperors Faithful
Out of this whole poll there are only two individual 'leaders'. And seeing that Eldick is dead, you just gotta go with our Lord and Saviour, the Emperor of Mankind.  Automatically Appended Next Post: AlmightyWalrus wrote:Eldrad wrote:Actuly Eldrad is very much alive. He may now be part wraith bone tree but wraith bone is a living substance there for he is more alive than any one else on the list.
Not more than the Emperor, and certainly not more than the C'tan or the Chaos Gods.
I thought his soul was sucked into the Blackstone Fortress? That's a step down in the 'Alive Scale' from even the Emperor.
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Post by: DEUS VULT
Eldrad wrote:Actuly what happened in the battle imbetween Horus and his father is that Horus rammed a sword through his fathers head and the only reason why the emperor killed Horus is becuase Horus was using some sort of invaunrable save device that was believed to be damaged when he was fighting a grater demon of khorn or so im told.
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All and all i blaame Tzeench for it.
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Also i say that Ynead will be the strongest thing ever.
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He is believed to be able to kill slannesh which is somthing Nurgle couldnt even do
*ahem* LOLWUT?
Dude, pass whatever your smoking, man!
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Post by: Grass4hopper
I voted for the Emperor because he has a quantifiable amount of power. Not that we know the upper limits, but we know of a lot of powerful stuff he's done and is still doing.
The Hive Mind MAY be more powerful, but we don't know the full strength of the Tyranid Race and the Hive Mind. One of the IoM theories is that there is an unseen psychic leader of the Nids, but they're nothing concrete to back that up. We just don't know the full extent of the Hive, so the Emperor; with greater know power; wins at this point in time.
The Chaos Gods-Who's power is so great that if they even set foot in the material universe it would collapse under their energy.
If they're as powerful as they claim why don't they just enter the material universe? Cause they're scared little 
The C'tan (Specifically the Void Dragon)-Who are the Star Gods that made the Necrons so powerful and almost ate the universe.
Again it's a maybe, but we don't know enough, and as Emperors Faithful pointed out both the Chaos Gods and the Ctan aren't leaders, but groups of squabbling beings. If they ever worked together who knows what they power would be, but they squabble like teenage girls.
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Post by: Darkvoidof40k
Teenage girls squabbling is funny. 
AS for the Chaos Gods, destroying the universe, including humanity, would cause them to cease to exist. But as they can exist in different timezones, even before they first existed, they'll survive. But if they don't exist, they can't exist elsewhere but its the warp so it's best if I shutup and don't ask anymore questions. *brain explodes*
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Post by: sieek
sry guys but c'tan obviously win, they kicked ass back in their time and just went to their age long sleep to stop themselves from killing the whole galaxy
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Post by: Darkvoidof40k
sieek wrote:sry guys but c'tan obviously win, they kicked ass back in their time and just went to their age long sleep to stop themselves from killing the whole galaxy
They didn't destroy/seal off the warp like they promised they would? Ohhhhh noooo, that's why we voted Imperialists into government this time and not the Homocidalists.
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Post by: Grass4hopper
sieek wrote:
sry guys but c'tan obviously win, they kicked ass back in their time and just went to their age long sleep to stop themselves from killing the whole galaxy
But the Ctan are not a united group. The Emperor probably kicked the Void Dragons butt, so he can deal with the most powerful Ctan. If they worked together maybe, but they're not working together.
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Post by: purplefood
Grass4hopper wrote:sieek wrote:
sry guys but c'tan obviously win, they kicked ass back in their time and just went to their age long sleep to stop themselves from killing the whole galaxy
But the Ctan are not a united group. The Emperor probably kicked the Void Dragons butt, so he can deal with the most powerful Ctan. If they worked together maybe, but they're not working together.
The most powerful C'tan is the Outsider but he is pretty gulabble and insane so go figure.
The C'tan went to sleep to avoid dying because of all the psychic races that were created by the Old Ones.
Overall i choose Emperor, not only is he a powerful psyker and a great generl he also commands the entire Imperium.
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Post by: AgeOfEgos
Eldrad wrote:Actuly what happened in the battle imbetween Horus and his father is that Horus rammed a sword through his fathers head and the only reason why the emperor killed Horus is becuase Horus was using some sort of invaunrable save device that was believed to be damaged when he was fighting a grater demon of khorn or so im told.
Might want to clean up your text a bit there, that makes for rough reading.
I'm not sure where that background is from though...here is the only detailed description I've ran across regarding the fight between Horus/Emperor (I believe the old Horus Heresy Board Game had some fluff about it as well);
The Warmaster bestrides the body of a broken angel. Behind him the tortured earth fills the viewport, a bauble for Horus to seize with one clawed hand. Corpses of massacred Marines lie everywhere.
Face glowing with internal bloodlight. Horus speaks. "Poor Sanguinius. I offered him a position of power in the new order. He could have sat at the right hand of a god. Alas he chose to align himself with the losing side."
The Emperor stands transfixed, trying to force frozen words from his tongue. In the end he can only whisper, "Why?" Mad laughter rings out. "Why? You ask me why? Have all those millennia taught you nothing? Weak fool, your timidity prevented you from binding the forces of Chaos. You shied away from the ultimate power. I have bound it to my will and will lead humanity into the new age. I, Horus, Master of Chaos."
The Emperor looks at his former friend and shakes his head. He sees the trap that has ensnared Horus. "No man can master Chaos," he says quietly. "You have deluded yourself. You are the servant, not the master."
A look of rage transfigures the Warmaster. He stretches out a hand and a bolt of force leaps forth. The Emperor screams as agony wracks his body. "Feel the true nature of my power then tell me I am deluded," roars Horus, in the voice of an angry god.
Beads of sweat stand out on the Emperor's forehead, he steels himself against the pain. "You are deluded," he says.
Once again Horus gestures and lances of pure poison sear through the Emperor's veins. "I let you come here, old friend, so that you could witness my triumph. Kneel before me and I will spare you. Acknowledged the new master of mankind."
Desperately the Emperor summons his power and lashes out. Lightning flickers between the combatants. The stench of ozone fills the air. The Emperor leaps forward, sword raised. Weapons clash as battle is joined on every level: physical, spiritual, psychic.
Bolts of force flicker as mortal gods clash, balancing the fate of the galaxy on every blow. Runesword and lightning claw ring against each other with a sound like thunder. Energies potent enough to level planets are unleashed.
A backhand buffet from Horus knocks the Emperor through a stone bulkhead. The counterstroke tears a supporting column out of the ceiling as the Warmaster ducks.
In the warp the Emperor hears the Chaos Powers howl as they feed their pawn more power. The Lord of Humanity stands alone against their massed might and knows that he is losing. Somehow he cannot bring his full force to bear on the Warmaster. Horus shows no such restraint.
A lightning claw cuts the Emperor's armour as if it were cloth, sheers through flesh and bone. The Emperor ripostes with a psychic stroke intended to disrupt the Warmaster's nervous system. Horus laughs as he deflects it.
His claws take the Emperor across the throat, opening windpipe and jugular. Another blow severs the tendons on his wrist, causing the sword to drop from nerveless fingers.
Insane laughter echoes round the chamber. Horus breaks several ribs with an almost playful punch. A surge of energy seers the Emperor's face, melting the flesh till it runs, bursting an eyeball, setting his hair alight. The Emperor stifles a whimper, wonders how he can be losing. Blackness threatens to engulf him.
Horus grasps his wrists, splintering bones. Blood pumps from the Emperor's throat. Horus lifts his foe above his head and brings him down across his knee, breaking his spine.
For a second the Emperor knows only darkness then a flare of agony brings him back to consciousness as Horus rips his arm from its socket. The Warmaster howls with bestial triumph.
Suddenly the battering stops. Through his good eye the Emperor sees a solitary Terminator has entered the room. The Marine charges towards the Warmaster, stormbolter blazing. Horus looks at him and laughs. For a moment he stands triumphant, allowing the Marine to see what he has done to his Emperor.
The Emperor knows what is going to happen next, sees the gloating triumph on Horus' face. There is no trace of his friend left there. There is only a daemon driven by insane destructive fury.
Horus turns his burning gaze on the Terminator and the Marine's flesh flakes away to reveal his skeleton, then even that is gone, reduced to dust.
The Emperor sees the trap that has been set for him. He has been restraining himself, trying not to hurt one who had been as a son to him. Now he sees that there is no trace of his trusted comrade left. He knows that he must stop this semblance of his former friend and avenge the fallen Terminator. He must strike one deadly blow. He will get no other chance.
He gathers every particle of his power, focuses it into a mighty bolt of pure force, more coherent than a laser, more destructive than an exploding sun. He aims it as Horus, a lance of power destined for the madman's heart. Horus senses the upsurge of energy and turns to face the Emperor, a look of horror on his face.
The Emperor lets fly. It strikes the Warmaster. Horus screams as destruction rains down on him, twisting and writhing in titanic agony. He strives frantically to counter the Emperor's deathblow but his struggles become more feeble as the lethal energies play over him.
Driven by all the force of his rage and pain and hatred the Emperor wills Horus's death. He senses the forces of Chaos retreat, disengaging themselves from their pawn. As they do so sanity returns to the Warmaster. The Emperor sees realisation of the atrocities he has committed flicker across Horus' face. Tears glisten there.
Horus is free but the Emperor knows he himself is dying and that the Powers of Chaos may once again possess the Warmaster and he will not be there to stop them. He cannot take that risk. Horus must die. Yet for a second, looking into his old friends face, he hesitates, unable to do the deed. Then he thinks of the slaughter that still goes on outside, may go on forever. Resolve hardens within him.
He forces all mercy and compassion from his mind, empties it of all knowledge of friendship and coimraderie and love. His eyes lock with Horus and see understanding there. Then with full cold knowledge of what he is doing the Emperor destroys the Warmaster.
Source:
Horus Heresy
The assault on Earth
by Bill King
(taken from White Dwarf #161)
Back to the original thread; If you include the Chaos Gods then I would say they would logically be the most powerful. Big E would be second.
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Post by: purplefood
That is awesome...
Emperor has never seemed so badass.
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Post by: Mr Nobody
I'd have to say the hive mind since it can control trillions of organisms at the same time, and even an iota of it's focused power can take out tanks or even a craftworld.
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Post by: Grass4hopper
After reading the quote AgeOfEgos posted from WD, I'd say that proves the Emperor is more than a match for the Chaos. The only reason be almost lost was because he let his compassion blind him, but it was never a question of power. Hell from the wounds Horus gave him he should have died outight, but his overwhelming power allowed him to continuing living (even for a short time) and destroy Horus even though he have the full power of all 4 Chaos Gods.
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I'd have to say the hive mind since it can control trillions of organisms at the same time, and even an iota of it's focused power can take out tanks or even a craftworld.
Yes, but again we don't know the full extent of the Hive Minds powers. Is it more powerful than the combined Chaos Gods, cause the Emperor beat their warped behinds.
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Post by: purplefood
Mr Nobody wrote:I'd have to say the hive mind since it can control trillions of organisms at the same time, and even an iota of it's focused power can take out tanks or even a craftworld.
The Hive Mind is the collective consciousness of all of them. I'm not sure there is even an organism strong enough to harness that power apart from maybe the Emperor or the Chaos Gods...
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Post by: Mr Nobody
purplefood wrote:Mr Nobody wrote:I'd have to say the hive mind since it can control trillions of organisms at the same time, and even an iota of it's focused power can take out tanks or even a craftworld.
The Hive Mind is the collective consciousness of all of them. I'm not sure there is even an organism strong enough to harness that power apart from maybe the Emperor or the Chaos Gods...
You could say that's another one of it's strengths, it doesn't have a single body, making it difficult to kill. Like Gork and Mork.
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Post by: purplefood
Mr Nobody wrote:purplefood wrote:Mr Nobody wrote:I'd have to say the hive mind since it can control trillions of organisms at the same time, and even an iota of it's focused power can take out tanks or even a craftworld.
The Hive Mind is the collective consciousness of all of them. I'm not sure there is even an organism strong enough to harness that power apart from maybe the Emperor or the Chaos Gods...
You could say that's another one of it's strengths, it doesn't have a single body, making it difficult to kill. Like Gork and Mork.
It's a strength and a weakness as it makes it near impossible to kill but unable to focus it's full power.
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Post by: ragnor2004
I put my vote in for the Emperor as well, I think that fact he was awesome and powerful, but could still feel compassion for one of the sons he created adds a little bit of humanity to his character.
I dont feel like we know enough about the hive mind to judge its or their power.
I would have to say though that currently I dont feel like the chaos gods or the Emperor are really leaders, more of a spiritual path or doctrine "For the Emperor", "Blood for the Blood God" and all that jazz.
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Post by: Grass4hopper
ragnor2004 wrote
I would have to say though that currently I dont feel like the chaos gods or the Emperor are really leaders, more of a spiritual path or doctrine "For the Emperor", "Blood for the Blood God" and all that jazz.
I was under the impression that the Emperor was still influencing the IoM, in subtle unseen ways. But you're right that he's not the direct leader like he was before ascending to the Golden Throne.
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Post by: Corax
I voted The Hive Mind. Because, as the above states,
purplefood wrote:The Hive Mind is the collective consciousness of all of them. I'm not sure there is even an organism strong enough to harness that power apart from maybe the Emperor or the Chaos Gods...
, Mr Nobody wrote:You could say that's another one of it's strengths, it doesn't have a single body, making it difficult to kill. Like Gork and Mork.
Yeah.
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Post by: JazzyJ
The Big E all the way.
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Post by: Darkvoidof40k
Well, the thing we all have to realise here is that there is a pretty obvious divide, really. You've got "Gods" on the material plane and "Gods" on (or in?) the immaterial plane of existance.
The Hive Mind is on the material plane, as far as we know. Sure, it could be some massive warp entity that is smart enough to disrupt humanities' communication and transport capabilities, but I believe that its just on feature of the race as a whole.
But ultimately, something did create them. Unless there's some real good evolution going on there..
The C'tan are also on the material plane. They're just nigh-invincible mortals at the end of it. They can't even tough the warp - no psychic power, hence they are far less powerful than the Emperor.
Although, sadly, the Emperor is getting a bit past his prime..
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Post by: Lokirfellheart
Emprah FTW!
I would say the chaos gods, but as mentioned earlier, they are realient on humankind.
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Post by: TheLinguist
Grass4hopper wrote:After reading the quote AgeOfEgos posted from WD, I'd say that proves the Emperor is more than a match for the Chaos. The only reason be almost lost was because he let his compassion blind him, but it was never a question of power. Hell from the wounds Horus gave him he should have died outright, but his overwhelming power allowed him to continuing living (even for a short time) and destroy Horus even though he have the full power of all 4 Chaos Gods.
I would have thought it was rather only a fragment of the combined powers of Chaos Undivided, thus making Chaos more powerful than the capital E, seeing as just because he held back a bit, a deluded servant(Though far above being a mere pawn) almost destroyed him and put him in a golden wheelchair. Without wheels. And with some huge technological wonders.
So, yeah, it's the pantheon of Chaos for me, obviously.
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Post by: VenerableBrotherPelinore
For me, at first glance it would be a toss-up between the Emperor and the four gods of Chaos.
Obviously, Horus nearly defeated the Emperor, but we know not how much the Emperor held back (Presumably alot, as he's done alot since his interment in the Golden Throne), how much his powers have grown since he was placed in the Golden Throne (See Gideon Ravenor), and all the psykers that have joined his collective consciousness (The Inquisition Trilogy leads one to believe that psykers consumed by the Golden Throne become 'part' of the mind of the Emperor) and how much of the powers of the Chaos Gods they were channeling into Horus (Was it a fraction, or a very large portion?)
In the end however, there is only the Emperor, for he is our shield and protector.
(Also, didn't Slaanesh go 'OM NOM NOM' on Eldrad's soul inside that Blackstone fortress?)
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Post by: AlmightyWalrus
Just saying, is there ANY advantage for the Chaos gods in NOT channeling as much power as possible through Horus to kill the Emperor? If they really wanted him dead, they would've channeled as much of their power as possible through Horus, yes? And the Emperor STILL held back, until Horus killed Anonymous Terminator #28. That would suggest to me that the Emperor is, indeed, more powerful than all four Chaos Gods working in concert. They tried to kill him, didn't work, end of story.
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Post by: VenerableBrotherPelinore
Well, there's two points working against that theory my friend.
First, that Horus likely wouldn't have been able to withstand the entirety of the powers of the Chaos Gods channeled through him, thus it couldn't have been the true scope of their powers.
Secondly, who said they want the Emperor dead. Since his placement on the Golden Throne, Mankind has taken a downward spiral into a brutal age that holds human life to be worth nothing, and the Emperor is behind alot of that. Perhaps if the Emperor had fallen that day, he would have been hailed even moreso as a martyr, and mankind would have risen above the state they are now, not become ruled by hatred and fear. Perhaps the Emperor would have even ascended in a fashion into the warp and became an even more powerful entity, powerful enough to truly challenge and defeat the Chaos pantheon. We just don't know......Tzeentch might however, and thus kept his 'brothers' from out-right destroying the Emperor and creating a foe they would not be able to defeat in the future.
Also might have simply been amusing to the Chaos gods to snatch victory from their champion at the moment of his triumph...they aren't the most benevolent of entities.
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Post by: Eldrad
I still have to say eather Ynead or Malal
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Post by: shrike
1hadhq wrote:Orks need leaders too, maybe maggieT?
ork leader= maggie thatcher?
ghazghkull mag uruk thraka
ghazghkull mag urut thatcha
ghazghkull margaret thatcher.
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Post by: TheLinguist
Eldrad wrote:I still have to say eather Ynead or Malal
Malal? I simply ask, how can the god that pretty much rules the domain of contradiction and has almost no followers at all be the most powerful leader in the galaxy?
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Post by: Just Dave
I wouldn't bother man, remember your listening to the opinion of someone that said:
Eldrad wrote:Actuly what happened in the battle imbetween Horus and his father is that Horus rammed a sword through his fathers head and the only reason why the emperor killed Horus is becuase Horus was using some sort of invaunrable save device that was believed to be damaged when he was fighting a grater demon of khorn or so im told.
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All and all i blaame Tzeench for it.
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He is believed to be able to kill slannesh which is somthing Nurgle couldnt even do
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Post by: Sanguinis
Yeah I'm gonna have to agree with all of you that the Emperor is the most powerful.
I forgot about Gork and Mork. Do we know that they exist?
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Post by: Emperors Faithful
AlmightyWalrus wrote:Just saying, is there ANY advantage for the Chaos gods in NOT channeling as much power as possible through Horus to kill the Emperor? If they really wanted him dead, they would've channeled as much of their power as possible through Horus, yes? And the Emperor STILL held back, until Horus killed Anonymous Terminator #28. That would suggest to me that the Emperor is, indeed, more powerful than all four Chaos Gods working in concert. They tried to kill him, didn't work, end of story.
Actually, that would make Anonymous Terminator #28 the most powerful being in the universe, as he brought the full wieght of the Emperor's ability against Horus. 
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Post by: Eldrad
guys stop being jerks im sorry i don't know everything in 40k's complicated story line . I also don't play marines. Im going off of what my friend Adam told me leave me alone. Plus Malal is the strongest Primarch left he is a chaos god of hating chaos. Plus all the other chaos gods have bean around for well over 20,000 years . They also have their own entitys like demons. Malal doesnt have as much followers one because he's only bean around for roughly 7,500 years. I believe he was younger than the other Primarchs. If all of you havent forgot Malal fought his way to power all the other gods just kinda came into being. So ya Malal is pretty fricken strong. And if you guys dont remember Nurgle has had multiple wars with Slaanesh and neather of them have ever won. So ya nurgle cant kill Slannesh and if Ynead can he would be in my book stronger than some of the chaos gods. So ya dont doubt what i know
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Also Just Dave have fun insulting my on nurdy things i dont care about you
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Post by: Emperors Faithful
First up, no one has been a jerk. Or at least not to you.
The Chaos Gods struggle against each other constantly, no one has bested anyone. Just as Nurgle couldn't defeat Slaanesh (especially at his/her/its zenith, though according to legend he managed to save Isha from Slaanesh) neither has Slaanesh done any better.
Ynnead is a sort of 'ace in the hole' for the Eldar that is by no means an existing being. Even if it were to be real, it doesn't exist yet.
As for Malal, Games Workshop has pretty much shut their mouth up about him, so his fluff has gotten kind of dusty. Automatically Appended Next Post: And would it hurt to utilise some propa grammah?
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Post by: Just Dave
Emperors Faithful wrote:First up, no one has been a jerk. Or at least not to you.
No, no. I have. Kind off...
I was promptly mocked in return though, particularly for showing an interest in 'nurdy things' and being inferior to his clearly superior knowledge.
Nonetheless, could it be argued that the Emperor is the most powerful as he's seemingly immune to what appears to be his biggest threat; Chaos?
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Post by: Eldrad
He does kind of deter chaos and i never said that you had inferior knowledge all i said was that i know my share as well. I will say that i mocked you on insulting my on nurdy grounds. No i cant get better grammer but I'm sorry if it bothers you. I would actuly say that there are bigger threats to the Emperor of man such as there being a fricken web way gate in Terra that the Empire doesn't know about. So dark Eldy i would say are pritty scarry.
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Post by: AgeOfEgos
Hey Eldrad, I had completely forgotten about Malal and had to Lexicanum that. It seems GW was forced to discontinue his existence as they did not (ironically) own the intellectual property. Still, good point on bringing him up....I had forgotten he existed.
Regarding attacks, we're all just discussing fictional characters in a fictional world so I don't believe anyone is attacking...just disagreeing. Toy soldiers and all that. However, grammar/punctuation and spelling is a lesser requirement of the posting rules;
http://www.dakkadakka.com/core/forum_rules.jsp
It just makes it easier on the eyes for others reading your posts and will save you a bit of hassle when others point it out. For example, others may be turned off from your post early on due to the grammatical nature of it...that they may miss you bringing up lesser known fluff (Like Malal).
Cheers.
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Post by: CommissarCandlestick
Lokirfellheart wrote:Emprah FTW!
I would say the chaos gods, but as mentioned earlier, they are reliant on humankind.
Does the Emperor not rely on huge armies of humans? He wouldn't be able to hold the Imperium of Man together if he didn't have his marines and Imperial Guard to protect him. I too say the Emperor, because in the end, he's the one with a galaxy spanning empire.
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Post by: TheLinguist
Eldrad wrote:He does kind of deter chaos and i never said that you had inferior knowledge all i said was that i know my share as well. I will say that i mocked you on insulting my on nurdy grounds. No i cant get better grammer but I'm sorry if it bothers you. I would actuly say that there are bigger threats to the Emperor of man such as there being a fricken web way gate in Terra that the Empire doesn't know about. So dark Eldy i would say are pritty scarry.
I'm not trying to attack you, but first you said Malal would be the most powerful leader, which I think is rather implausible, seeing as he has almost no followers.
And now you're suddenly speaking of the DE as a whole being a threat to humanity from that Webway Gate? I fail to see a connection between the two and much less connection between the latter and thread subject.
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Post by: Mr Nobody
This thread is spiraling out of control.
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Post by: Eldrad
Linguist i was just comenting on what Just Dave had said about how Chaos is the Emperors biggest threat. I just dont think it is true. The emperor had always seen aliens as his biggest threat so why would that ever change? Correct me if I'm wrong but i think that the emperor is pretty vaunrable in his big metal chair.
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Post by: Ed_Bodger
You are still way off topic talking about Dark Eldar this is a who is the most powerful character thread. Good knowledge on malial however.
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Post by: Eldrad
Thank you Ed and sorry for how off topic i am
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On another note i think that it depends on what your rating. Ultimate power Emperor (at one time). Warp entitys Chaos gods. Support Eldrad. Tyrant Hive Mind. Orks are orks. Comi's of space = tau. and so on and so forth. Each person/race is good at somthing else is all im saying
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sorry i ment to say dictatore hive mind
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Post by: Grass4hopper
VenerableBrotherPelinore wrote:
First, that Horus likely wouldn't have been able to withstand the entirety of the powers of the Chaos Gods channeled through him, thus it couldn't have been the true scope of their powers.
Secondly, who said they want the Emperor dead. Since his placement on the Golden Throne, Mankind has taken a downward spiral into a brutal age that holds human life to be worth nothing, and the Emperor is behind alot of that. Perhaps if the Emperor had fallen that day, he would have been hailed even moreso as a martyr, and mankind would have risen above the state they are now, not become ruled by hatred and fear. Perhaps the Emperor would have even ascended in a fashion into the warp and became an even more powerful entity, powerful enough to truly challenge and defeat the Chaos pantheon. We just don't know......Tzeentch might however, and thus kept his 'brothers' from out-right destroying the Emperor and creating a foe they would not be able to defeat in the future.
Also might have simply been amusing to the Chaos gods to snatch victory from their champion at the moment of his triumph...they aren't the most benevolent of entities.
If the Emperor had ascended that could have been a blow to the Chaos, who knows. But for the sake of this discussion lets say Horus killed the Emp, and the Emp didn't go all Obi-wan on them. Then the Chaos could have warped all of humanity into whatever form benefitted them the most.
CommissarCandlestick wrote:
Does the Emperor not rely on huge armies of humans? He wouldn't be able to hold the Imperium of Man together if he didn't have his marines and Imperial Guard to protect him. I too say the Emperor, because in the end, he's the one with a galaxy spanning empire.
But the Emperor doesn't rely on human for his power, the Chaos Gods do.
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Post by: shealyr
VenerableBrotherPelinore wrote: Well, there's two points working against that theory my friend.
First, that Horus likely wouldn't have been able to withstand the entirety of the powers of the Chaos Gods channeled through him, thus it couldn't have been the true scope of their powers.
Actually, I'd content that it was most definitely the true scope of the power of Chaos Undivided. As beings of the Immaterium, the Chaos gods can only channel their power through a mortal vessel or a Daemon. The Big E wasted the paragon of Chaos Undivided. Game, set, match for the Emperor.
VenerableBrotherPelinore wrote:Secondly, who said they want the Emperor dead. Since his placement on the Golden Throne, Mankind has taken a downward spiral into a brutal age that holds human life to be worth nothing, and the Emperor is behind alot of that. Perhaps if the Emperor had fallen that day, he would have been hailed even moreso as a martyr, and mankind would have risen above the state they are now, not become ruled by hatred and fear. Perhaps the Emperor would have even ascended in a fashion into the warp and became an even more powerful entity, powerful enough to truly challenge and defeat the Chaos pantheon. We just don't know......Tzeentch might however, and thus kept his 'brothers' from out-right destroying the Emperor and creating a foe they would not be able to defeat in the future.
Also might have simply been amusing to the Chaos gods to snatch victory from their champion at the moment of his triumph...they aren't the most benevolent of entities.
Oh yes. If the Chaos Gods lose, it's because it was Tzeentch's plan. If that isn't a catch-22, I don't know what is. Please defend this position, it only furthers the justification of the Emperor being the most powerful being ever.
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Post by: Emperors Faithful
CommissarCandlestick wrote:Lokirfellheart wrote:Emprah FTW!
I would say the chaos gods, but as mentioned earlier, they are reliant on humankind.
Does the Emperor not rely on huge armies of humans? He wouldn't be able to hold the Imperium of Man together if he didn't have his marines and Imperial Guard to protect him. I too say the Emperor, because in the end, he's the one with a galaxy spanning empire.
That's why it's called Most Powerful 40k Leader, not Most powerful individual. However, 'the Chaos Gods' isn't a leader. Even when they share the same goals, we are talking about different beings here. Neither are the C'tan, as they too are seperate individuals (with seperate goals). Nor can you say 'the Orks', they are a race and by no means united. 'Ghazgkull' would have been a better option. All in all, sorry OP but these aren't the best options.
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Post by: VenerableBrotherPelinore
shealyr wrote: Actually, I'd content that it was most definitely the true scope of the power of Chaos Undivided. As beings of the Immaterium, the Chaos gods can only channel their power through a mortal vessel or a Daemon. The Big E wasted the paragon of Chaos Undivided. Game, set, match for the Emperor.
Oh yes. If the Chaos Gods lose, it's because it was Tzeentch's plan. If that isn't a catch-22, I don't know what is. Please defend this position, it only furthers the justification of the Emperor being the most powerful being ever.
I am unsure that it could possibly be the full extent of the Chaos Pantheons powers, mainly due to the fact that if they can get pretty much get bitch-slapped by the Emperor whenever he wants, what was he worried about before that point in regards to them, and simply didn't go out, hunt them down Rambo style and slaughter/imprison them before corruption became an issue. I mean, if he can hold his own against the full might of the four while holding back because they're inhabiting his favourite son, then realise there's no redemption for Horus after being dealt a mortal blow and psychic pimp slap him down, there isn't a giant threat to his safety there is there?
As for the second half, there's several instances of the Chaos Gods abadoning their champion because they find it amusing at the time, or they've displeased them in some way. There's also alot of references to Tzeentch manipulating events, and even taking substantial losses to further a cause hundreds of years down the track (The Grey Knights Series emphasises this one). It was merely conjecture as to possible reasoning that they may have not wanted to win, other reasoning could have simply been another god wanting to stick up to one of the others, or simply not being able to channel enough power through Horus. The other point that they might like the current status quo is that while there is always the Great Game, when Horus failed, why did they simply not empower another, Abaddon perhaps during one of his Black Crusades, or another of the Daemon-Primarchs, and send him in to finish the job? The current status quo feeds the Chaos Gods with blood, hatred and fear, causing them to rise in power.
Perhaps the simple reason was that the Chaos Gods chose to fight another day. Sensed they were losing, and pulled out. We don't really know. The argument is pretty much pure conjecture, as we have no solid proof one way or the other.
I actually agreed that the Emperor was the most powerful leader in 40k. I simply find it hard to believe that the 'big nasty' of the Chaos Gods, beings that are constantly being striven against by the Emperor in the warp, at least if you listen to the Ordo Malleus, could be so handily defeated.
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Post by: Darkvoidof40k
Yeah, Big E is pretty much the most powerful dude out there, both directly and indirectly.
Hell, if it wasn't for him right now, the Imperium would grind to a halt and we'd have Daemons all over.
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Post by: Chaos Lord Gir
Since the whole Chaos Gods as leaders theory is debunked, I voted for the Emperor on account of well yeah, hes bad ass. I can think of a thousand times a thousand reasons not to piss him off.
But I hardly think hes 'beating' the Chaos Gods in the warp, yes he's stopping major daemonic incursions left right and center, but 'containing' is completely different to outright kicking the Chaos God's butts.
Besides I honestly think they should all go wipe out damn Slaanesh. I hate that guy.
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Post by: Darkvoidof40k
Chaos Lord Gir wrote:Besides I honestly think they should all go wipe out damn Slaanesh. I hate that guy.
Of course, the term "guy" is used loosely here. 
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Post by: Ugly Green Trog
/vote Emperor
I have heard although i cant remember where that there was some sort of psychic link between Horus and the 4 powers whilst they were channeling power into him, and when they saw the power of the emperor's full unleashed might they retreated out of fear that it may carry on through the link with horus into the warp and severely hurt if not outright kill them.
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Post by: kizzdougs
Emperor over Chaos gods? No way!!
How can a single individual, even the Emperor, compete with true Gods created from all the naughty emotions of the ENTIRE galaxy?
A servant of the Gods managed to cripple the emperor and don't forget they must work through petty and fragile mortals.
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Post by: Maurin
All hail the God-Emperor!
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Post by: WARORK93
The Chaos gods knew exactly what they were doing when they mortally wounded the Emperor through Horus. The trick was to give Horus just enough juice to not outright kill him but put him in a position where HE would no longer be a coherent threat but the Imperium would still exist.
If they had killed the Emperor and Horus would have won, the new Chaos Imperium would go around killing anyone who was still loyal to the Emperor, that would take what a few centuries? The Chaos gods eternal hunger demands huge amounts of bloodshed to continue the balance. The reprocussions of Horus' victory would probably end the Chaos Gods sooner or later. (I refer you to that novel about the Alpha legion, when the Cabal is speaking to Alpharius.)
Now what they did is pretty smart. Let Horus almost kill the emperor and then run away at the last second. In one on one (or one on four) The emperor could have taken the Chaos gods and they knew this. One on one with Horus, that was a different story and the Chaos gods knew this too. They had been setting that plan in motion ever since they split the Primarchs up and scattered em to the wind.
The Chaos gods knew that the Emperor would hold back, not wanting to kill his most treasured friend and son, despite all that power the Emperor was still (at least part) human. And if their's one thing that humans have a weakness for, its compassion. The four gods used this fact to mortally wound the Emperor.
The Chaos gods' goal is not to kill the Imperium outright, though many people speak as if it is. Their goal is to have a never ending conflict to fuel their savage lusts. And thats just what they've gotten for the past 10,000 years.
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Post by: DickBandit
Retribution wrote:The Hive Mind, the singularly combined psychic might of bazillions and bazillions and bazillions of organisms
This. It's basically a living, breathing, psychic super computer of pure terror and destruction.
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Post by: Darkvoidof40k
Well said, WARORK93.
I believe that this is the end of that discussion.
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Post by: necrongod
why so many votes for the emperor? he is a rotting corpse on a golden toilet......im gpoing w/ the c'tan. undying gods with legoins of unkillable minions AND a tomb world right next to terra itself!
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Post by: Ed_Bodger
What a surprise judging by your username
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Post by: necrongod
wierdest thing is, i dont actually play necrons.......
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Post by: Gibbsey
necrongod wrote:why so many votes for the emperor? he is a rotting corpse on a golden toilet......im gpoing w/ the c'tan. undying gods with legoins of unkillable minions AND a tomb world right next to terra itself!
Now isnt it hinted at in fluff that the Emperor imprisoned the void dragon on mars? (although the void dragon was weakend)
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Post by: necrongod
Gibbsey wrote:necrongod wrote:why so many votes for the emperor? he is a rotting corpse on a golden toilet......im gpoing w/ the c'tan. undying gods with legoins of unkillable minions AND a tomb world right next to terra itself!
Now isnt it hinted at in fluff that the Emperor imprisoned the void dragon on mars? (although the void dragon was weakend)
yes he did, but i dont think he counted on half of the adeptus mechanicus turning and folowing the void dragon
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Post by: Gibbsey
necrongod wrote:Gibbsey wrote:necrongod wrote:why so many votes for the emperor? he is a rotting corpse on a golden toilet......im gpoing w/ the c'tan. undying gods with legoins of unkillable minions AND a tomb world right next to terra itself!
Now isnt it hinted at in fluff that the Emperor imprisoned the void dragon on mars? (although the void dragon was weakend)
yes he did, but i dont think he counted on half of the adeptus mechanicus turning and folowing the void dragon
He put it there so that technology would never be completely lost, at least the mechanicus thinks they're worshiping the emperor (leaders of the mechanicus im not so sure about)
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Post by: WARORK93
I got the impression that the mechanicus were worshipping the void dragon unknowingly
What I mean is that they thought it was the machine god but it is actually the void dragon, a C'tan
Isnt there a faction in the mechanicus that believes the emperor is the Omnissiah incarnate?
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Post by: Gibbsey
WARORK93 wrote:I got the impression that the mechanicus were worshipping the void dragon unknowingly
What I mean is that they thought it was the machine god but it is actually the void dragon, a C'tan
Isnt there a faction in the mechanicus that believes the emperor is the Omnissiah incarnate?
i think they all beleive the Omnissiah is a part of the emperor (and why the inquisition is so far okay with them, between them worshiping "part of the emperor" and being vital to the imperium the inquisition wont wipe them out)
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Post by: Maurin
One thing going against the C'Tan is that they actually have playable models, and thus people get to kill them. Makes 'em seem not that powerful.
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Post by: MrDAKKA
The god emeror!
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Post by: Grass4hopper
I can't find the post, but on recent thread with a similar line of discussion someone posted the Emperor may be absorbing the 1000 psykers sacrificed to him every day. I don't know if the fluff backs this up, but if it does wouldn't the Emperor actually be growing in power everyday? 365,000 psykers a year, 3,650,000,000 psykers a millennium. That's a lot of psychic energy.
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Post by: Mr Nobody
Grass4hopper wrote:I can't find the post, but on recent thread with a similar line of discussion someone posted the Emperor may be absorbing the 1000 psykers sacrificed to him every day. I don't know if the fluff backs this up, but if it does wouldn't the Emperor actually be growing in power everyday? 365,000 psykers a year, 3,650,000,000 psykers a millennium. That's a lot of psychic energy.
No, the psykers are keeping him alive and helping focus the Astronomicon.
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Post by: Ailaros
Yarrik. Every time you kill him, he staggers back to his feet. He can theoretically continue on for infinity.
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Post by: scuddman
Eldrad. He's so powerful, that he's in every competitive Eldar army. Even when they face each other.
What other ever plays for both teams?
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Post by: Mr Nobody
scuddman wrote:Eldrad. He's so powerful, that he's in every competitive Eldar army. Even when they face each other.
What other ever plays for both teams?
He's dead, more so than the emperor.
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Post by: Darkvoidof40k
Mr Nobody wrote:scuddman wrote:Eldrad. He's so powerful, that he's in every competitive Eldar army. Even when they face each other.
What other ever plays for both teams?
He's dead, more so than the emperor.
They do have a point though.. he does get out more than The Big E.
"Yeah, okay, I'll come quietly mister Ordo Xenos Inquisitor.." *sigh*
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Post by: Mukkin'About
The Emperor
/thread
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Post by: AgeOfEgos
I'd like to humbly point out that after months of referring to the Emperor as the Big E.....the terminology is spreading. That's step one of my plan, step two involves raising an army.
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Post by: Gibbsey
AgeOfEgos wrote:I'd like to humbly point out that after months of referring to the Emperor as the Big E.....the terminology is spreading. That's step one of my plan, step two involves raising an army.
Step 3: ???
Step 4: Profit!
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Post by: Grass4hopper
AgeOfEgos wrote:
I'd like to humbly point out that after months of referring to the Emperor as the Big E.....the terminology is spreading. That's step one of my plan, step two involves raising an army
If you pay me in 40K merch I'll join
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Post by: Owain
Orks don't have leaders, Tau are lead by ethereals, and the Hive Mind, being collective, wouldn't be fit into a single organism because that defeats the purpose. Out of what's left, the Emperor is clearly the most powerful. He trumps even the Chaos Gods because his supernatural might is a force to be reckoned with, as well. Let's not forget that Eisenhorn was able to directly call His wrath down upon the Lith. In addition to this, he can directly exert an influence upon the material world. The Chaos Gods will weaken if Mankind ever experiences another enlightenment.
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Post by: xXSir MontyXx
God-Emperor most definitely, one person being able to stabilize warp travel for all humans to use??? No question.
Thought about the hive mind but its not realy a single thing......
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Post by: Darkvoidof40k
xXSir MontyXx wrote:Thought about the hive mind but its not realy a single thing......
Well it is, actually. It's just linked to all the synapse creatures, which in turn connects the smaller Tyranids. So it's kinda like Brain Control or something..
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Post by: Emperors Faithful
Darkvoidof40k wrote:xXSir MontyXx wrote:Thought about the hive mind but its not realy a single thing......
Well it is, actually. It's just linked to all the synapse creatures, which in turn connects the smaller Tyranids. So it's kinda like Brain Control or something..
And there's little evidence to suggest it actually has any powers beyond a supreme intelligence and exerting control orchestrating the Tyranid Race. Though it's highly likely. Automatically Appended Next Post: Though the term 'leader' may be stretching it a bit. The Hive Mind doesn't lead the Tyranid Race per se, it is the Tryanid Race. I think...maybe?
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Post by: Darkvoidof40k
Emperors Faithful wrote:Darkvoidof40k wrote:xXSir MontyXx wrote:Thought about the hive mind but its not realy a single thing......
Well it is, actually. It's just linked to all the synapse creatures, which in turn connects the smaller Tyranids. So it's kinda like Brain Control or something..
And there's little evidence to suggest it actually has any powers beyond a supreme intelligence and exerting control orchestrating the Tyranid Race. Though it's highly likely.
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Though the term 'leader' may be stretching it a bit. The Hive Mind doesn't lead the Tyranid Race per se, it is the Tryanid Race. I think...maybe?
Well, actually it's the Hive Ship at the centre of a fleet (ie, in charge of/top of the food chain, so to speak). In effect, it would seem that each fleet has it's own "Hive Mind". Plus, each fleet has its own sort of genetic memories, because if one Hive Fleet mutates/evolves to the climate of one planet, another Hive Fleet wouldn't know about those changes or that planet, unless I'm mistaken.
But, I wouldn't go as far as to say that the Hive Mind IS the Tyranid race, as if abandoned, the little bugs (hell, even some of the bigger ones) go feral.
Now that I think about it, perhaps there is just some vast psyker out there, who is actually managing to control them. Although, The Shadow in the Warp would seem to disprove this theory.
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Post by: Gibbsey
Darkvoidof40k wrote:Emperors Faithful wrote:Darkvoidof40k wrote:xXSir MontyXx wrote:Thought about the hive mind but its not realy a single thing......
Well it is, actually. It's just linked to all the synapse creatures, which in turn connects the smaller Tyranids. So it's kinda like Brain Control or something..
And there's little evidence to suggest it actually has any powers beyond a supreme intelligence and exerting control orchestrating the Tyranid Race. Though it's highly likely.
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Though the term 'leader' may be stretching it a bit. The Hive Mind doesn't lead the Tyranid Race per se, it is the Tryanid Race. I think...maybe?
Well, actually it's the Hive Ship at the centre of a fleet (ie, in charge of/top of the food chain, so to speak). In effect, it would seem that each fleet has it's own "Hive Mind". Plus, each fleet has its own sort of genetic memories, because if one Hive Fleet mutates/evolves to the climate of one planet, another Hive Fleet wouldn't know about those changes or that planet, unless I'm mistaken.
But, I wouldn't go as far as to say that the Hive Mind IS the Tyranid race, as if abandoned, the little bugs (hell, even some of the bigger ones) go feral.
Now that I think about it, perhaps there is just some vast psyker out there, who is actually managing to control them. Although, The Shadow in the Warp would seem to disprove this theory.
Well that wouldent explain the Swarmlord, he can appear in any Hive Fleet if needed and jsut gains more memories and experiences.
The question about the Tyranid Hive Mind is it the combined minds of the tyranids, or is it an entity its self that has control over the tyranids?
The tyranids are not from the milky way, so they are at least in another galaxy (unless they were chased away/ took all resourses) if not several.
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Post by: Eldrad
Owain im not trying to be rude but the orks do have Gazghkull Thraka and most tribes are lead by Mech boys or at least Lexicanum tells us it is.
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Tells us they are*
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Post by: shrike
Owain wrote:Orks don't have leaders.
well, in a typical waagh, the totem pole goes as follows:
warlord
big meks
warbosses
nobs/painboyz/wierdboys
meks
boyz
grots
snotlings
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Post by: Emperors Faithful
Yes, but "The Ork Race" doesn't count as a leader. If the poll mentioned an actual Ork individual like Gazghkull then that would be acceptable.
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Post by: shrike
Emperors Faithful wrote:Yes, but "The Ork Race" doesn't count as a leader. If the poll mentioned an actual Ork individual like Gazghkull then that would be acceptable.
even ghazghkull can't stand up to gods like the c'tan, chaos, the emperor (demi-god, but still).
they should have gork and mork.
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Post by: baconlord44
the orks obviously... the emperor of man may fight with gods and demons, but the orks can literally call a war into being with the power of thought. Chances are they could destroy the chaos gods with sheer force of will if the greateer majority of weirdboys channeled a couple billion ork's waagh energy... considering the current (vague) power levels of the ork's psyche, that would probabably be enough juice to vaporize the emperor. 'umies aint real boyz, dey cower 'hind dere boss and whimper. dere boss is weak, like de umies is weak. us boyz is gons ta kill de all.
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Post by: poontangler
The Orkz. 
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Post by: purplefood
baconlord44 wrote:the orks obviously... the emperor of man may fight with gods and demons, but the orks can literally call a war into being with the power of thought. Chances are they could destroy the chaos gods with sheer force of will if the greateer majority of weirdboys channeled a couple billion ork's waagh energy... considering the current (vague) power levels of the ork's psyche, that would probabably be enough juice to vaporize the emperor. 'umies aint real boyz, dey cower 'hind dere boss and whimper. dere boss is weak, like de umies is weak. us boyz is gons ta kill de all.
I doubt that. If there were enough orks all focused enough for the weid boyz to channel the power into attacking something they would probably blow up the planet they were on or simply blow up through the psychic overload.
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Post by: xXSir MontyXx
Gibbsey wrote:Darkvoidof40k wrote:Emperors Faithful wrote:Darkvoidof40k wrote:xXSir MontyXx wrote:Thought about the hive mind but its not realy a single thing......
Well it is, actually. It's just linked to all the synapse creatures, which in turn connects the smaller Tyranids. So it's kinda like Brain Control or something..
And there's little evidence to suggest it actually has any powers beyond a supreme intelligence and exerting control orchestrating the Tyranid Race. Though it's highly likely.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Though the term 'leader' may be stretching it a bit. The Hive Mind doesn't lead the Tyranid Race per se, it is the Tryanid Race. I think...maybe?
Well, actually it's the Hive Ship at the centre of a fleet (ie, in charge of/top of the food chain, so to speak). In effect, it would seem that each fleet has it's own "Hive Mind". Plus, each fleet has its own sort of genetic memories, because if one Hive Fleet mutates/evolves to the climate of one planet, another Hive Fleet wouldn't know about those changes or that planet, unless I'm mistaken.
But, I wouldn't go as far as to say that the Hive Mind IS the Tyranid race, as if abandoned, the little bugs (hell, even some of the bigger ones) go feral.
Now that I think about it, perhaps there is just some vast psyker out there, who is actually managing to control them. Although, The Shadow in the Warp would seem to disprove this theory.
Well that wouldent explain the Swarmlord, he can appear in any Hive Fleet if needed and jsut gains more memories and experiences.
The question about the Tyranid Hive Mind is it the combined minds of the tyranids, or is it an entity its self that has control over the tyranids?
The tyranids are not from the milky way, so they are at least in another galaxy (unless they were chased away/ took all resourses) if not several.
There is no hive mind in the Tyranid hive fleets, the Hive Tyrant leads them in a way, having the most connesction to the hive mind and all, but no there is not one in every fleet.
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