camboyaz wrote:

MrDAKKA wrote:What race could tau join?


Imperial: Die xeno scum!
or lets work together! (for those that have read codex space marines on the battles of the ultramarines bit)

See there is some fluff! Yeah Codex: SM is where I got the idea!

That isn't proof. They worked together for one battle, and in exchange the Ultramarines were nice enough to let them go. Once.

Ok I just thought of this:
A renegade Inquisitor captures a Tau army, and somehow Brainwashed them into worshipping the Emperor, and the Tau do the Inquisitor's biding: killing 'heretics', killing other Xenos, washing the Inquisitor's space car.

It's a stretch, and it needs more details (like how does the Inquisitor capture the Tau. How does he brainwash them), but there are plenty of examples of renegade Inquisitors doing crazy stuff. Sometime they even thing they're doing nothing wrong.

It's the only way i can thing of to build semi-plausible fluff around the OP idea.

Grass4hopper wrote:Ok I just thought of this:
A renegade Inquisitor captures a Tau army, and somehow Brainwashed them into worshipping the Emperor, and the Tau do the Inquisitor's biding: killing 'heretics', killing other Xenos, washing the Inquisitor's space car.

It's a stretch, and it needs more details (like how does the Inquisitor capture the Tau. How does he brainwash them), but there are plenty of examples of renegade Inquisitors doing crazy stuff. Sometime they even thing they're doing nothing wrong.

It's the only way i can thing of to build semi-plausible fluff around the OP idea.

Why would the inquisitor do that?

Klawz wrote

Grass4hopper wrote:
Ok I just thought of this:
A renegade Inquisitor captures a Tau army, and somehow Brainwashed them into worshipping the Emperor, and the Tau do the Inquisitor's biding: killing 'heretics', killing other Xenos, washing the Inquisitor's space car.

It's a stretch, and it needs more details (like how does the Inquisitor capture the Tau. How does he brainwash them), but there are plenty of examples of renegade Inquisitors doing crazy stuff. Sometime they even thing they're doing nothing wrong.

It's the only way i can thing of to build semi-plausible fluff around the OP idea.

Why would the inquisitor do that?

Cause he's renegade/rogue and wants an army of brainwashed warriors. Seem like rogue Inquisitors do some crazy stuff.

Like I said, it's a stretch, but it's the only think I could think of that fits the OP idea and can arguably fit into the fluff.

Grass4hopper wrote:Cause he's renegade/rogue and wants an army of brainwashed warriors. Seem like rogue Inquisitors do some crazy stuff.

what do you think the IG are for

camboyaz wrote:See there is some fluff! Yeah Codex: SM is where I got the idea!

I give up: You are totally immune to facts and logic.

Kroothawk wrote:

camboyaz wrote:See there is some fluff! Yeah Codex: SM is where I got the idea!

I give up: You are totally immune to facts and logic.

Hey, Don't be so shallow. I will be using Tau and SM as allies in many Apoc. Battles and because of the allies matrix, I need to find a way to explain.

I even have a Special Rule for the Tau:

For the Greater G... I mean FOR THE EMPEROR!:

All Cult Tau must take a leadership test when shooting at other Tau (No Kroot) when Etherinal is on the board. If they fail, the other player controls them. Take a leadership test every players turn, and when they pass the starting player controls them and they don't need to take test ever again during game. If Etherinal dies, the Tau will always rejoin the Imperial forces, but no doubt, they will be punished serverly.

Like everybody else said. No it won't work ever....at all

You don't need fluff or special rules to justify your forces working together in apocalypse so why bother. You can just have it that the tau forces and SM forces are allies to fight off a greater threat (it has been done before in the fluff). The Tau would never join the Imperial Cult, it's complety anti xeno and has no fluff to support it and it never will.

Your special rule is well...pointless. If the enemy has a etheral you could lose half your army. Besides hardly anybody uses etherals anyway since if they die, the tau get fethed over.

And finally, Check your spelling, people on dakka like words spelt right, just take a few seconds to check before you post...thank you

In summary:

No

ph34r wrote:

GalacticDefender wrote:At first I thought "Wow, this is a totally ridiculous idea. Then I thought "Well, if imperials sometimes change their allegiance, why couldn't another race?" This could apply to Tau or pretty much any other race. If some humans follow the greater good, why couldn't some Tau follow the Imperial cult?

If Tau followed the Imperial Cult, the first thing they would have to do is kill themselves. Imperial Cult = humanity first, kill all xenos. Xeno mercenaries are occasionally used, for furthering the cause of killing xenos.

Unless I guess, a group of Tau collectively went nuts, and decided it needed to go on a crusade against the rest of the Tau and/or other Xenos to redeem themselves in the eyes of the Emperor for being born xeno. That could actually be pretty cool.

It wasn't really ever stated that the Emperor was xenophobic before he was put on the Golden throne, was it? The Tau could maybe worship the emperor or something simple like that. I dunno. I wouldn't ever do something like that in my Tau army, I'm just stating that maybe it wouldn't be completely impossible. Just highly unlikely.

And that idea you mentioned is awesome

Klawz wrote:

Grass4hopper wrote:Ok I just thought of this:
A renegade Inquisitor captures a Tau army, and somehow Brainwashed them into worshipping the Emperor, and the Tau do the Inquisitor's biding: killing 'heretics', killing other Xenos, washing the Inquisitor's space car.

It's a stretch, and it needs more details (like how does the Inquisitor capture the Tau. How does he brainwash them), but there are plenty of examples of renegade Inquisitors doing crazy stuff. Sometime they even thing they're doing nothing wrong.

It's the only way i can thing of to build semi-plausible fluff around the OP idea.

Why would the inquisitor do that?

You questioned the motive? How about how the hell did he manage to capture an entire army of Tau?

purplefood wrote:

Klawz wrote:

Grass4hopper wrote:
Ok I just thought of this:
A renegade Inquisitor captures a Tau army, and somehow Brainwashed them into worshipping the Emperor, and the Tau do the Inquisitor's biding: killing 'heretics', killing other Xenos, washing the Inquisitor's space car.

It's a stretch, and it needs more details (like how does the Inquisitor capture the Tau. How does he brainwash them), but there are plenty of examples of renegade Inquisitors doing crazy stuff. Sometime they even thing they're doing nothing wrong.

It's the only way i can thing of to build semi-plausible fluff around the OP idea.

Why would the inquisitor do that?

You questioned the motive? How about how the hell did he manage to capture an entire army of Tau?

Like I said originally "It's a stretch, and it needs more details (like how does the Inquisitor capture the Tau. How does he brainwash them)" I'm not saying it's a perfect piece of fluff, it just is more plausible IMHO then Tau just deciding 'hey, lets worship that Emperor dude'.

Grass4hopper wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Klawz wrote:

Grass4hopper wrote:
Ok I just thought of this:
A renegade Inquisitor captures a Tau army, and somehow Brainwashed them into worshipping the Emperor, and the Tau do the Inquisitor's biding: killing 'heretics', killing other Xenos, washing the Inquisitor's space car.

It's a stretch, and it needs more details (like how does the Inquisitor capture the Tau. How does he brainwash them), but there are plenty of examples of renegade Inquisitors doing crazy stuff. Sometime they even thing they're doing nothing wrong.

It's the only way i can thing of to build semi-plausible fluff around the OP idea.

Why would the inquisitor do that?

You questioned the motive? How about how the hell did he manage to capture an entire army of Tau?

Like I said originally "It's a stretch, and it needs more details (like how does the Inquisitor capture the Tau. How does he brainwash them)" I'm not saying it's a perfect piece of fluff, it just is more plausible IMHO then Tau just deciding 'hey, lets worship that Emperor dude'.

Maybe it is just easier to say they are renegades employed by a radical ordo xenos inquisitor.

@ purplefood: That makes sense and is a lot more plausible, good idea.

You're welcome...

GalacticDefender wrote:

ph34r wrote:

GalacticDefender wrote:At first I thought "Wow, this is a totally ridiculous idea. Then I thought "Well, if imperials sometimes change their allegiance, why couldn't another race?" This could apply to Tau or pretty much any other race. If some humans follow the greater good, why couldn't some Tau follow the Imperial cult?

If Tau followed the Imperial Cult, the first thing they would have to do is kill themselves. Imperial Cult = humanity first, kill all xenos. Xeno mercenaries are occasionally used, for furthering the cause of killing xenos.

Unless I guess, a group of Tau collectively went nuts, and decided it needed to go on a crusade against the rest of the Tau and/or other Xenos to redeem themselves in the eyes of the Emperor for being born xeno. That could actually be pretty cool.

It wasn't really ever stated that the Emperor was xenophobic before he was put on the Golden throne, was it? The Tau could maybe worship the emperor or something simple like that. I dunno. I wouldn't ever do something like that in my Tau army, I'm just stating that maybe it wouldn't be completely impossible. Just highly unlikely.

And that idea you mentioned is awesome

Yes there is:

"Listen not to the alien, Look not upon the alien, Speak not unto the alien" is the word of The Emperor and the actual Imperial Cult. Pretty crappy cult for the Tau to Join.

Actually, this radical Inquisitor Xenos idea could go somewhere. If an Inquisitor somehow managed to get his hands on the method that Ethereal's use to influence Tau, through disections and other methods, then the result could be interesting. You could represent the Inquisitor as an Ethereal in your army.

Remember though, the Ethereals do not completely control the Tau. They influence them (through pheremones and other means), so it would still be hard for Tau to start worshipping the Emperor, but suddenly more likely to fight for him to some extent.

It's unconventional, but certainly more plausible than the Tau defecting on their own accord.

In a even further stretch of pure hypothesis: The radical Inquisitor Xenos could find a ancient relic from some extinct civilization that allows him to control the Tau.

Mysterious ancient relics are always a sound reason, that no one can argue with

That would make the Tau appear mindless, something I don't think the OP wants. The Inquisitor fighting the Ethereals with their own game adds an interesting twist on things. Although, he'll likely catch a lot of flak from those that are of the opinion that the Tau really are as good and cuddly as the front page says.

I was thinking the Inquisitor would make the Tau worship the Emperor.

Your ideas is better Emperors Faithful.

I just love threads like this inspire creative thinking, even if none of it canon

Really, the OP can do whatever he wants with his army's fluff. That most say it's impossible/silly/dumb is little reason to stop you, mate.

Emperors Faithful wrote:Really, the OP can do whatever he wants with his army's fluff. That most say it's impossible/silly/dumb is little reason to stop you, mate.

he can do what he wants, its whether other people want to read 2 pages of or have to listen to a spiel of how its 'possible' when its not.

most people would facepalm and say 'shut up and play'

Fluff-wise, you're grasping at straws with this idea friend. You've got pretty much no actual starting point for it, just a few random battles where the Imperium and the Tau Empire have been able to work together to a common goal, and then leave without spilling blood. That's not really ground-work for them being able to worship the Emperor, that's more an insight into the political and military status between the Imperium and Tau, that they can do that, and then strive against each other in battle a week later. This is most likely alot due to the Imperium dismissing the Tau as a major threat at this current time due to their small numbers.

However, when it comes to the Imperial Cult, it's not going to work. Suffer not the Alien to live and all that. Personally, I'd find it fairly hard to hold faith in a religion that told me I was an abomination (But, pskyers do it, so there's some rationale.....they are human however.), but that may be just me.

Your best bet would be to follow ideas suggested earlier in this thread if you wish to create an Imperial themed Tau army. Tau renegades are supported by the fluff. Commander Farsight, Commander Brightsword was on his way before his assassination, they're around. Mercanaries or mind control by Inquisitors, up to you, but I think it makes far more sense than xenos worshipping the God-Emperor.

Emperors Faithful wrote:Really, the OP can do whatever he wants with his army's fluff. That most say it's impossible/silly/dumb is little reason to stop you, mate.

Yes anyone can do what they like with their plastic soldiers. But in the background section people discuss what works with established lore and setting. Trying to shoehorn tau into the imperial cult just seems like an exercise in futility.

Another cool and in-fluff way to have Imperial Cult Tau would be a radical ordo xenos inquisitor isolating the Ethereal pheromone crystal, and using it to essentially mind control a Tau force that had lost its ethereal - perhaps due to an assassination made by the inquisitor's forces even. Inquis moves in, controls tau, bam. Tau force loyal to the Imperium.

Cue redemption crusade of Tau against xenos to fight for the Emperor, and against other Tau even to bolster forces.

camboyaz wrote: I will be using Tau and SM as allies in many Apoc. Battles and because of the allies matrix, I need to find a way to explain.

That is something completely different. There are numerous fluff examples where Imperial troops ally with Tau because Tau are seen as the lesser evil when facing Orks, Necrons, Chaos or Tyranids. No need for Tau to join a "Tau are scum that need to be killed" cult. Tau are pragmatic and not xenophobic, so alliances with them are easy. BTW many SM dislike the Imperial cult as well, being former fighting buddies of the Emperor.

Well, i'll probably do a mercianary army, with some guys in it worshipping the Emperor, but not the Imperial Cult, just a variaton ( Because though they are hired by the IOM, they didn't bother telling everyone to worship him, some just picked up on it) Check out some background in fiction and Special Units in Proposed Rules.

Why not do the opposite and have humans who follow The Greater Good. So much simpler and more likely.

Cause I don't have Guard, I have SM! SM would NEVER EVEN IF IT WOULD KILL THE CHAOS GODS join the Greater Good

It's more likely than Tau joining the Imperium.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:It's more likely than Tau joining the Imperium.

1) thats Heresy!

2) Nobody joins anyone. The factions are meant as seperate entities.

3) A Team in Apoc can temporary join, so its more "common foe" than lasting alliance.

1hadhq wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:It's more likely than Tau joining the Imperium.

1) thats Heresy!

2) Nobody joins anyone. The factions are meant as seperate entities.

3) A Team in Apoc can temporary join, so its more "common foe" than lasting alliance.

Imperial Guard could join the Tau. Space Marines/guard could join Chaos.

Huh? No we were just talking about what's more likely a chapter of Space Marines joining the Tau or a group of Tau joining the Imperium.

I honestly think its more likely for the Space Marines to go rogue. Space Marines go rogue and commit heresy all the time. There is no recorded incidence of Tau doing the equivilant.

So to join chaos is the same as to join the Tau? Somehow, this does not sound comparable....

Maybe I was not precise enough.

The relations of chaos and IoM are a shared source. There is no such base with other factions.
So to say space marines go renegade and join chaos has anything to do with space marines joining any other group is ridiculos.

Tau got Farsight as renegade to the empire.
As controlled followers (like ants); Tau cannot leave if a etheral is around.

1hadhq wrote:So to join chaos is the same as to join the Tau? Somehow, this does not sound comparable....

Maybe I was not precise enough.

The relations of chaos and IoM are a shared source. There is no such base with other factions.
So to say space marines go renegade and join chaos has anything to do with space marines joining any other group is ridiculos.

Tau got Farsight as renegade to the empire.
As controlled followers (like ants); Tau cannot leave if a etheral is around.

I was refuting the point that factions don't join.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:It's more likely than Tau joining the Imperium.

No, no it isn't. SM only join Chaos. A Space Marine saying for the Greater Good is like a Ork hugging someone. It doesn't happen. Now Tau Mercs. could work, not Greater Good SM

camboyaz wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:It's more likely than Tau joining the Imperium.

No, no it isn't. SM only join Chaos. A Space Marine saying for the Greater Good is like a Ork hugging someone. It doesn't happen. Now Tau Mercs. could work, not Greater Good SM

Nope. Although Tau Marines are highly, highly, highly unlikely its still 10 times more plausible than Tau mercenaries.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

camboyaz wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:It's more likely than Tau joining the Imperium.

No, no it isn't. SM only join Chaos. A Space Marine saying for the Greater Good is like a Ork hugging someone. It doesn't happen. Now Tau Mercs. could work, not Greater Good SM

Nope. Although Tau Marines are highly, highly, highly unlikely its still 10 times more plausible than Tau mercenaries.

Tau mercenaries are plausible just not ones that worship the Emperor

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

camboyaz wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:It's more likely than Tau joining the Imperium.

No, no it isn't. SM only join Chaos. A Space Marine saying for the Greater Good is like a Ork hugging someone. It doesn't happen. Now Tau Mercs. could work, not Greater Good SM

Nope. Although Tau Marines are highly, highly, highly unlikely its still 10 times more plausible than Tau mercenaries.

How?

camboyaz wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

camboyaz wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:It's more likely than Tau joining the Imperium.

No, no it isn't. SM only join Chaos. A Space Marine saying for the Greater Good is like a Ork hugging someone. It doesn't happen. Now Tau Mercs. could work, not Greater Good SM

Nope. Although Tau Marines are highly, highly, highly unlikely its still 10 times more plausible than Tau mercenaries.

How?

Space Marines are autonomous armies that fight when and where they like and sticking up for things they believe in is very common amongst them. Look up the Badab Uprising and the Celestial Lions for examples. Just because you've fallen out of favor with the Imperium doesn't mean you're automatically a Chaos Marine.

Further more if Astartes want to join Tauland The Etherals would say welcome aboard and be doing fist pumps behind closed doors at Etheral town.
On the flip side all humans even to mention the idea of working with the Tau will be immediately be burned at the stake. If psykers are available they will be burned at the stake for even thinking about it.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

camboyaz wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

camboyaz wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:It's more likely than Tau joining the Imperium.

No, no it isn't. SM only join Chaos. A Space Marine saying for the Greater Good is like a Ork hugging someone. It doesn't happen. Now Tau Mercs. could work, not Greater Good SM

Nope. Although Tau Marines are highly, highly, highly unlikely its still 10 times more plausible than Tau mercenaries.

How?

Space Marines are autonomous armies that fight when and where they like and sticking up for things they believe in is very common amongst them.

No, Marines aren't autonomous. They fight for mankind, and they fight for what they believe in(The Emperor!)

Fine, but so do the Tau! but x2.

No, Farsight and his people didn't.

camboyaz wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

camboyaz wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

camboyaz wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:It's more likely than Tau joining the Imperium.

No, no it isn't. SM only join Chaos. A Space Marine saying for the Greater Good is like a Ork hugging someone. It doesn't happen. Now Tau Mercs. could work, not Greater Good SM

Nope. Although Tau Marines are highly, highly, highly unlikely its still 10 times more plausible than Tau mercenaries.

How?

Space Marines are autonomous armies that fight when and where they like and sticking up for things they believe in is very common amongst them.

No, Marines aren't autonomous. They fight for mankind, and they fight for what they believe in(The Emperor!)

You don't know what autonomous means do you?
SM are autonomous but they are very loyal to the Emperor.
Tau however have shown that they will turn renegade just like SM.

Simply tell everyone that says it is impossible...

I REJECT YOUR FLUFF AND SUBSTITUTE IT WITH MY OWN!

Problem Solved

camboyaz wrote:No, Farsight and his people didn't.

They've fallen out of favor with the Etherals and vice versa but they have never done anything to harm their people. In fact a tau may not have killed another Tau in the last 6,000 years. They are fiercely loyal.

As oppsed to Space Marines. In one decade over 50% of all Space Marines betrayed The Emperor.

Jon Touchdown wrote:Simply tell everyone that says it is impossible...

I REJECT YOUR FLUFF AND SUBSTITUTE IT WITH MY OWN!

Problem Solved

I REJECT YOUR FLUFF AND SUBTITUTE IT WITH MY OWN!

fair enough.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

camboyaz wrote:No, Farsight and his people didn't.

They've fallen out of favor with the Etherals and vice versa but they have never done anything to harm their people. In fact a tau may not have killed another Tau in the last 6,000 years. They are fiercely loyal.

As oppsed to Space Marines. In one decade over 50% of all Space Marines betrayed The Emperor.

No, Tau have advanced from tribal to Space-Faring in 5,000 years, and they killed each other about 1,000-2,000 years into that, in their "Dark Time" Seach Tau in Lexicanum. WHAT NOW!

Fine Tau haven't killed one another for 4,000 years. Meanwhile as I'm typing this sentence 8 more marines rebelled against the Imperium.

Well, Tau may have murderers to. Also while im typing this sentance, 12 Tau were murdered, 34 joined the Farsight enclave, 5 of those Marines were killed, and 1 Tau learned what cheese is.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:
Fine Tau haven't killed one another for 4,000 years. Meanwhile as I'm typing this sentence 8 more marines rebelled against the Imperium.

You're over exadurating how many marines turn renegade. It isn't really that many.
The point is Tau have had a history of turning renegade and becoming mercenaries.
SM however have a history of turning renegade and either working for Chaos or for the Emperor but being hunted.
Overall it's unlikely Tau would join a cult which basically wants them to die. It is possible they would work for an Ordo Xenos inquisitor for a time in return for supplies/equipment etc

With the Tau's complete inability to deal with Psykers, you could run a small Tau force under the control of a radical inquisitor. It's for the greatest good.

The problems would be how do these tau interact with other tau, and how does this force replace it's losses/replenish supplies? Cut your ties with the tau empire, and where do you get more ammo/fuel from?


-Matt

Well if you read the entire thread, you would have seen that I made a special rule for the Tau vs Tau issue.
They could trade with the Farsight Enclaves for the other issue.

camboyaz wrote:

Well, Tau may have murderers to. Also while im typing this sentance, 12 Tau were murdered, 34 joined the Farsight enclave, 5 of those Marines were killed, and 1 Tau learned what cheese is.

No Tau have joined the Farsight Enclaves since they were formed because, um, NOBODY KNOWS WHERE THEY ARE.

Klawz wrote:

camboyaz wrote:

Well, Tau may have murderers to. Also while im typing this sentance, 12 Tau were murdered, 34 joined the Farsight enclave, 5 of those Marines were killed, and 1 Tau learned what cheese is.

No Tau have joined the Farsight Enclaves since they were formed because, um, NOBODY KNOWS WHERE THEY ARE.

Look at this map to figure it out! http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/File:Map_farsight_enclaves.jpg

camboyaz wrote:

Klawz wrote:

camboyaz wrote:

Well, Tau may have murderers to. Also while im typing this sentance, 12 Tau were murdered, 34 joined the Farsight enclave, 5 of those Marines were killed, and 1 Tau learned what cheese is.

No Tau have joined the Farsight Enclaves since they were formed because, um, NOBODY KNOWS WHERE THEY ARE.

Look at this map to figure it out! http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/File:Map_farsight_enclaves.jpg

That would work well, wouldn't it. (klawz fail)

Kroothawk wrote:
Or good Sith Lords in Star Wars?

Bam.

OP, what I think pretty much everyone here is trying to say is that Tau can side with the Imperium, but it is pretty much impossible for a Tau to become part of the Imperial Cult.

As for the matters of Space Marines, a a rouge chapter could seek refuge in Tau space, in return for their valuable job skills and nice-looking resumes. They may even be granted their own planet to recruit from. That they are renegade and working with the Tau doesn't automatically make them fall for the Tau ideals, but over time it may creep in (in fact they may quickly replace veneration for a single Emperor figure with the Greater Good). The Tau on the other hand, would never be welcomed into Imperial Space, even if they rebelled against the larger Empire.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

camboyaz wrote:No, Farsight and his people didn't.

They've fallen out of favor with the Etherals and vice versa but they have never done anything to harm their people. In fact a tau may not have killed another Tau in the last 6,000 years. They are fiercely loyal.

As oppsed to Space Marines. In one decade over 50% of all Space Marines betrayed The Emperor.

This may be true on paper, but it's certainly not in reality.

While they may not have actually done the deed, the Tau have orchestrated the assassination of their own. I would like to refer you to the Last Chancers series, specifically the second book, 'Kill Team', in which they are contracted by loyalist members of the Tau to assassinate Commander Brightsword, protege of Farsight, because it's believed his aggresive military tactics could take him down the same path as his mentor. I would like to exaggerate, just to make sure it's clear, that these are loyalist Tau, not Farsights rebels, doing it for 'The Greater Good' and may or may not have had Ethereal sanction, I cannot remember.

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While it would easily be possible for the Guard to join up as a Gues'va warrior under the Tau, and remotely possible even for a renegade Space Marine chapter to hide out in Tau space (Although it's unlikely, as renegade chapters are hunted fiercely, and staying in one place wouldn't be the smartest of ideas, and that supposes that it's a renegade Chapter that has rebelled against the Emperor, yet not far enough to turn to Chaos, and doesn't turn to a stronger race such as the Eldar, or simply attemt to flee beyond the reach of the Imperium), it's far more likely that Tau mercenaries exist and sign up with a radical Inquisitor than Astartes joining the Empire... perhaps they found out about the Ethereal caste and their pheramone production, and thus became disenchanted with 'The Greater Good' and the closed-mindedness of the other Tau in ensuring that the Ethereals will was carried out... it took less than realising you were essentially being 'mind-controlled' for the Horus Heresy to begin.

In the end however, it remains the OPs 'little plastic men' to do with what he will. Whether or not the background is feasibly possible, that's another story.

If you were a non-chaos CHapter, the best place you could look for a save haven would be the Tau Empire (or some equivalent acceptive upstart race) as Eldar are far too weak and divided to offer refuge even if they wanted to. Of course, they could just head for the Halo Stars, but few people seem keen on that.

Commander Endova wrote:I'd think it'd be hard to justify. Biologically, the Tau are engineered to be easily controlled by the Ethreals, and thus susceptible to being brainwashed into believing whole-heartedly in the Greater Good.

Only Commander Farsight has splintered off from the main Tau Empire, and he's certainly not pro-Imperial.

However, humans allying with the with the Tau, and taking up the call of the Greater Good Is common.

They're engineered? I thought they evolved and just happened to be weak to it? Is every single Tau engineered? Otherwise, genetic mutation could cancel the weakness to the pheromones out and if Farsight is somehow able to resist it isn't impossible.

Now as to why they're following the imperial cult is something that's baffling to me. From my knowledge that's a similar position as a Jewish Nazi.

Luco wrote:
They're engineered? I thought they evolved and just happened to be weak to it? Is every single Tau engineered? Otherwise, genetic mutation could cancel the weakness to the pheromones out and if Farsight is somehow able to resist it isn't impossible.

I don't think Tau are engineered. Ethereals may be, or it could be natural. Unless you believe that tosh about the Tau being created by the C'tan there is nothing to explain any engineering in the race.

Now as to why they're following the imperial cult is something that's baffling to me. From my knowledge that's a similar position as a Jewish Nazi.

Actually, those existed. But this isn't relevant to the OP.

Emperors Faithful wrote:

Luco wrote:
They're engineered? I thought they evolved and just happened to be weak to it? Is every single Tau engineered? Otherwise, genetic mutation could cancel the weakness to the pheromones out and if Farsight is somehow able to resist it isn't impossible.

I don't think Tau are engineered. Ethereals may be, or it could be natural. Unless you believe that tosh about the Tau being created by the C'tan there is nothing to explain any engineering in the race.

Now as to why they're following the imperial cult is something that's baffling to me. From my knowledge that's a similar position as a Jewish Nazi.

Actually, those existed. But this isn't relevant to the OP.

Willingly joined as opposed to doing it to avoid being detected? PM link? But if they lose the ability to be mindcontrolled by the Etherials and were prejudiced against because of it wouldn't it possibly be enough for them to try to escape and join the Imperial Cult for only they know what reason?

Imperial Tau warcry: "For the Greater Emperor! Um... not quite. For the Emperor's Good! erm... what was it again?

Er...are we talking about Nazi Jews or Tau here?

Jewish nazi for the link. Tau for the rest. Sorry, back to sci-fi!

Emperors Faithful wrote:OP, what I think pretty much everyone here is trying to say is that Tau can side with the Imperium, but it is pretty much impossible for a Tau to become part of the Imperial Cult.

That was the correct part and I did expect it goes on but...

Emperors Faithful wrote:
As for the matters of Space Marines, a a rouge chapter could seek refuge in Tau space, in return for their valuable job skills and nice-looking resumes. They may even be granted their own planet to recruit from. That they are renegade and working with the Tau doesn't automatically make them fall for the Tau ideals, but over time it may creep in (in fact they may quickly replace veneration for a single Emperor figure with the Greater Good). The Tau on the other hand, would never be welcomed into Imperial Space, even if they rebelled against the larger Empire.

Ok these ROUGE chapters are annoying and will seek refuge there.
Now any other bunch of space marines ,
(of any allegiance, no matter loyalist, traitor or renegade ),
sticks with killing xenos. Some chaos-marines tend to employ xenos as distraction or cannonfodder.

One must wonder where EF gets these ideas from?

The Space marines follow the Emperor ( who protects a whole race from chaos ) or Chaos itself but never any xenos.
See, the moment the AL listened to the cabal, their future was screwed.

The issue with Tau, is IMO they believe in their own superiority and expect others to join but would never join somewhere themselves.
Are you sure the mechanicum would not welcome some Tau who offer presents ? Last I've heard the cogboys like any find of Tech....

Emperors Faithful wrote:

Luco wrote:
They're engineered? I thought they evolved and just happened to be weak to it? Is every single Tau engineered? Otherwise, genetic mutation could cancel the weakness to the pheromones out and if Farsight is somehow able to resist it isn't impossible.

I don't think Tau are engineered. Ethereals may be, or it could be natural. Unless you believe that tosh about the Tau being created by the C'tan there is nothing to explain any engineering in the race.
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Codex Tau Empire page 20. Report of a gentor secundus about Tau. Found synthetic proteins and other hints on artificially sped up evolution.

The Emporer doesn't protect Chaos humans from Chaos.

1hadhq wrote:
The issue with Tau, is IMO they believe in their own superiority and expect others to join but would never join somewhere themselves.
Are you sure the mechanicum would not welcome some Tau who offer presents ? Last I've heard the cogboys like any find of Tech....

the adepts of mars see xeno tech in the same vain as chaos tech, pure evil, they hardly like new human tech.

Indeed. New human tech is merely semi-evil.

1hadhq wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:
As for the matters of Space Marines, a a rouge chapter could seek refuge in Tau space, in return for their valuable job skills and nice-looking resumes. They may even be granted their own planet to recruit from. That they are renegade and working with the Tau doesn't automatically make them fall for the Tau ideals, but over time it may creep in (in fact they may quickly replace veneration for a single Emperor figure with the Greater Good). The Tau on the other hand, would never be welcomed into Imperial Space, even if they rebelled against the larger Empire.

Ok these ROUGE chapters are annoying and will seek refuge there.
Now any other bunch of space marines ,
(of any allegiance, no matter loyalist, traitor or renegade ),
sticks with killing xenos. Some chaos-marines tend to employ xenos as distraction or cannonfodder.

One must wonder where EF gets these ideas from?


The Space marines follow the Emperor ( who protects a whole race from chaos ) or Chaos itself but never any xenos.

Warriors, throughout history, have rarely fought for ideals or cuases in the heat of battle. Instead they fight for the man beside them, the unit or squad, not the country. It is all too easy for Space Marines, even considering the conditioning) to develop the same mentality and to put loyalty to the Chapter (and its survival) over loyalty to the Imperium, espeically if the Imperium has declared them excommunicate traitoris (especially if the accusation is unjust). Hunted down in Imperial Space, this rouge chapter will often turn to the warp, and thus CHaos, for refuge out of spite or a sheer wish for survival. It's not implausible that a chapter may flee out of Imperial Space rather than venture into the Eye of Terror or other Traitor refuges, hiring themselves out to an alien race to sustain themselves. Indeed, so long as they are not fighting the Imperials in the aliens service they may justify their existence with the arguement that they are still fighting the enemies of the Imperium.

After that, with the Tau's persuasive idealogy, it's only a matter of time before the Chapter becomes more comfortable with their situation.

As for these ideas, one must know the mind of the enemy if you wish to defeat them.

ROUGE chapters are quite disturbing, I hate Space Marines with make-up

just call PunHawk

... jumping from an Eldar Flacon tank to help the Rouge Traders

have mercy on us sir!

GalacticDefender wrote:At first I thought "Wow, this is a totally ridiculous idea. Then I thought "Well, if imperials sometimes change their allegiance, why couldn't another race?" This could apply to Tau or pretty much any other race. If some humans follow the greater good, why couldn't some Tau follow the Imperial cult?

Because the Imperial Cult says "DEATH TO ALL XENOS"