Who do you guys think is the best primarch BESIDES the god emperor? The only reason why i say this is because it is to easy. Guys like the night lords primarch Konrad Curze. Primarches like that. So if you wouldnt mind please throw in your opinion whenever you want to.

Leman Russ he was constantly drunk on mead and starting pub brawls yet had honor (stupid dark angels emo priests!)

Best at what? Give us a metric, man.
The Emperor is not a Primarch, btw.
Each Primarch is arguably the best at something..
The Best Leader: Horus
The Best Tactician: Probably Lion El'Jonson
Strategy/Logistics: Bob Guilliman
etc..

The best to you the one you like most

The Emperor wasn't a primarch... never mind that.
Favortie was Russ and my favorite quote concerning him
"Do you remember that time he got drunk and tried to throw it [His spear] at the moon? It took us 3 days of searching that bloody jungle to find it"

Guilliman, for doing the right thing.

DEUS VULT wrote:Guilliman, for doing the right thing.

Some may say that's a controversial choice given most peoples attitude towards him.

Ferrus Manus...I mean come on, he had SILVER hands and eyes! I loved his persoanlity in the horus heresy books and he's the primarch of my favorite legion (who's color scheme I based my chapters off of.) Close second (ironically) would be Fulgrim.

purplefood wrote:

DEUS VULT wrote:Guilliman, for doing the right thing.

Some may say that's a controversial choice given most peoples attitude towards him.

I enjoy stirring the pot
IMHO the Codex Astartes is a damn fine thing.

DEUS VULT wrote:

purplefood wrote:

DEUS VULT wrote:Guilliman, for doing the right thing.

Some may say that's a controversial choice given most peoples attitude towards him.

I enjoy stirring the pot
IMHO the Codex Astartes is a damn fine thing.

Fair enough IMO writing down all of your tactics for use in a military situation and then telling people you will only follow these tactics is probably a bad idea because if they get the book they know everything you will do...
But he is a nice fellow so i suppose it balaces out.

purplefood wrote:

DEUS VULT wrote:

purplefood wrote:

DEUS VULT wrote:Guilliman, for doing the right thing.

Some may say that's a controversial choice given most peoples attitude towards him.

I enjoy stirring the pot
IMHO the Codex Astartes is a damn fine thing.

Fair enough IMO writing down all of your tactics for use in a military situation and then telling people you will only follow these tactics is probably a bad idea because if they get the book they know everything you will do...
But he is a nice fellow so i suppose it balaces out.

Totally nice guy, will even help you move if you bring the beer.

Horus, followed closely by Magnus the Red.... face it if Horus hadn't gone all chaosy things would have been peachy

Corax, cos he is awesome
Magnus, cos he is a space-wizard
Lion'El Johnson because he is named after a gay poet who rote a poem about his coming out, it was called "Dark Angel".

My three favourite

Corax the SM ninja,
Vulkan the craftsman lavaman,
Dorn the loyal,
Lion el' johnson the gay,
Khan the biker,
Angron the angry,
Sanguinius the killy,
gulliman the writer (even though chaos can easily predict what we're gonna do because of it)

Russ without a doubt

anyone who judges a man on how much he can drink and eat and how well he can fight is the sort of bloke I want to know, we all know that under the bed he had hundreds of copies of bolter babes as well.

Umm.. well I love my ultramarines, so I'd have to say guilliman. I like his loyalty and his use of his intelligenc and skills... pretty good guy to help out humanity and all.
But aside from that i suppose angron and horus. Angron was awesome cause he wanted to kill everything and that's hilarious, and Horus because.. he's awesome.

1. Fulgrim= perfection, the best.

2. Corax=bad**s.

3/4. Alpharius/Omegon=???

Dorn,Corax and Angron.

Corax is getting quite a few. Consider me suprised.

Magnus, he's always right, it's a habit.

You know I'm giving Corax a big thumbs up

Also, Sanguinius was pretty cool. Only primarch with wings!

Maurin wrote:You know I'm giving Corax a big thumbs up

Also, Sanguinius was pretty cool. Only primarch with wings!

Corax had metaphoric wings.

I vote for Dorn. I admire his steadfastness and loyalty (not like a dog's loyalty though, that's Russ).

Also, building castles is fun.

The Primarch of the Flaming Marines: Justin Beiberius


...But no seriously: Corax.

are you kidding? magnus, beyond a doubt. im pretty sure i read somewhere that magnus' was almost as powerful as the emperor.


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shrike wrote:

Maurin wrote:You know I'm giving Corax a big thumbs up

Also, Sanguinius was pretty cool. Only primarch with wings!

Corax had metaphoric wings.

actually in the first heretic im pretty sure it says he has some sort of metal wing structure on his jump pack thing.

necrongod wrote:are you kidding? magnus, beyond a doubt. im pretty sure i read somewhere that magnus' was almost as powerful as the emperor.


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shrike wrote:

Maurin wrote:You know I'm giving Corax a big thumbs up

Also, Sanguinius was pretty cool. Only primarch with wings!

Corax had metaphoric wings.

actually in the first heretic im pretty sure it says he has some sort of metal wing structure on his jump pack thing.

Excellent, that gives me fluff to support my Raven Guard counts as sanguinary guard conversions!

leman russ cos he gets drunk!

Sanguinues, followed by Dorn and Alpahrius.

tough call

1st place: Sanguinius, He held the palace gate by his lonesome, then he teleported onto the barge where Horus even when he was weak from the fighting. The guy knew he was gonna die but he faced his fate anyway, fought like a lion, died like a lamb, I can admire that kind of self sacrifice.

2nd place: a tie between Jaghtai Khan, and Leman Russ, Khan for his steadfastness at the siege of the palace and Russ, well...

Space viking, nuff said.

"Do you remember that time he got drunk and tried to throw it [His spear] at the moon? It took us 3 days of searching that bloody jungle to find it"

where'd you find that? Its just plain hilarious!

I like Malal the forgotten Chaos god. He is the only one of his brothers that turned chaos but was forced into it instead of having the choice. He is also the only brother that became a chaos god. All the others were doomed to being Demon Princes. Also the sons of Malal sound like they kick a ton of A$$.

I also do like Corax also known as SPACE BATMAN!!!

Eldrad wrote:I like Malal the forgotten Chaos god. He is the only one of his brothers that turned chaos but was forced into it instead of having the choice. He is also the only brother that became a chaos god. All the others were doomed to being Demon Princes. Also the sons of Malal sound like they kick a ton of A$$.

I also do like Corax also known as SPACE BATMAN!!!

I think you might be confused. Malal isn't a primarch and it's Conrad Curze who's space batman.

Yeah, Conrad is space batman, Corax is space ninja. Totally different, get it straight!

shrike wrote:gulliman the writer (even though chaos can easily predict what we're gonna do because of it)

Wut? Writing a treatise on organization, strategy and tactics is telling the enemy what your gonna do? Quick, someone phone Sun Tzu, Clausewitz, Rommel and the US military!

Maurin wrote:Yeah, Conrad is space batman, Corax is space ninja. Totally different, get it straight!

You've got it completely wrong, Corax isn't a space ninja, he's a flying space ninja! Completely different.

Thanks For thee help Mr. Nobody. Sorry i got them mixed up. But from what i heard Malal is an x primarch. His follower group is the sons of Malal. They were one of the first marine chapters from what i was told

Eldrad wrote:Thanks For thee help Mr. Nobody. Sorry i got them mixed up. But from what i heard Malal is an x primarch. His follower group is the sons of Malal. They were one of the first marine chapters from what i was told

You were told wrong.

Could you tell me were you read this. I don't doubt you its just that i want to find some more back round on Malal its very scarce.

Alpha legion fanboys always go on about Alpharius as if he is the best thing ever 'Oh Alpharius isn't dead that's just what he want's you to think', 'Alpha legion aren't chaos they are the good guys' blahblah. I like Mortarion there's something about his backstory that intrigues me, his homeworld is only described in the most abstract of terms. Of course he has the obligatary misguided tragic heroism and the resulting traitor legion aren't particularly engaging. He has the coolest name.

Eldrad wrote:Could you tell me were you read this. I don't doubt you its just that i want to find some more back round on Malal its very scarce.

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Malal

From the article:

Use of Malal in further Games Workshop productions ceased around 1988, the same year the first of the two Realm of Chaos background books was published. Malal is not referred to or mentioned at all in these products. There was also an uncertainty as to who actually owned the rights to the concept of Malal - the comic's authors or Games Workshop.

He no longer exists in the Warhammer or Warhammer 40,000 universe, and at no time was he a Primarch.

Corax because as previously stated hes a space ninja
and anyone whos that big but can still be stealthy has skillz

Maurin wrote:Yeah, Conrad is space batman, Corax is space ninja. Totally different, get it straight!

i dunno corax is the one obssesed with birds AND he has wings....

my top 5

1: Leman Russ (well derr I play space wolves)
2: Vulkan (he likes to swim in fire)
3: Rogal Dorn (he took an entire chaos ship by himself)
4:Corax (he's an freaking primarch ninja)
5: Horus ( he killed sanguinus which means alot in my books)

also my least favourite
1: rowboat girly man Lion'El and sanguinus are the worst I don't like them they are the emperors only daughters.
2:all the other chaos ones for being chaosy and betraying the emperor

No were in this does it say that Malal wasn't a primarch. It also doesnt say that he is so, in course i wasn't wrong but neither were you. Its a draw.

I have to take dorn, but i'm in love the Black Templars. They're lunatics with swords!

Sanguinius
"Whilst many of his brothers fought solely out of the joy of battle, Sanguinius fought to secure the golden era of peace and prosperity which would surely follow. His vision was the Emperor's, a hope of Mankind united in peace and prosperity. Alas, it was a vision not to be."

Eldrad wrote:No were in this does it say that Malal wasn't a primarch. It also doesnt say that he is so, in course i wasn't wrong but neither were you. Its a draw.

*facepalm*
Eldrad, from taking a look at your earlier posts, it seems that you dont really have a clear idea what a Primarch is.
Here: http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Primarch

The Primarchs were the twenty genetically-engineered "sons" of the Emperor. The Emperor used his own DNA in their creation, and they were designed to be far superior to the average human: immensely larger, stronger, hardier, faster, and more intelligent. They were also incredibly charismatic, as their main role was to be generals and leaders of the Imperial military.

There were twenty (20), two (2) of which have been erased from Imperial records. The other eighteen (20-2=18) are all known and named. The two that are missing have never been named, ever, with the sole exception being Rubinek, which only appeared once a long time ago and has been retconned.

Games Workshop also does not use Malal any more in the fluff; they havent since 1988. Im gonna take a shot in the dark and say this is longer than you've been alive. Malal is not a primarch.

necrongod wrote:are you kidding? magnus, beyond a doubt. im pretty sure i read somewhere that magnus' was almost as powerful as the emperor.

... Naaah. Cause the emperor doesn't get slapped around by a drunk Viking.

Eldrad wrote:The best to you the one you like most

These threads are so old.

Its not 'which is the best" thread.

Its a useless "Which primarch do you think is the coolest" that we've had a hundred or more times.

Definitely Curze, crazy heavy-handed justice-obsessed superhuman Batman. I love the fear tactics and fanatical devotion to his cause he imbued in his legion. To the point of destroying his own home planet because it fell back into corruption and crime in his absence.

Other than the Night Haunter, Dorn is a close second.

WARORK93 wrote:tough call

1st place: Sanguinius, He held the palace gate by his lonesome, then he teleported onto the barge where Horus even when he was weak from the fighting. The guy knew he was gonna die but he faced his fate anyway, fought like a lion, died like a lamb, I can admire that kind of self sacrifice.

2nd place: a tie between Jaghtai Khan, and Leman Russ, Khan for his steadfastness at the siege of the palace and Russ, well...

Space viking, nuff said.

"Do you remember that time he got drunk and tried to throw it [His spear] at the moon? It took us 3 days of searching that bloody jungle to find it"

where'd you find that? Its just plain hilarious!

Space Wolf series... the last one iirc

Sanguinius: he held off the tides of chaos and knowingly died for the emperor. Also i read somewhere that only he and leman russ defeated the emperor in battle.

Lorgar - for trying to save us from an Ultrasmurf dominated universe of 40k during the Horus Heresy

Glendor wrote:Sanguinius: he held off the tides of chaos and knowingly died for the emperor. Also i read somewhere that only he and leman russ defeated the emperor in battle.

Weirdly enough the Emperor isn't actually that good a fighter if you look at some of the fluff. Though he is still a psychic power house.

DEUS VULT wrote:

Eldrad wrote:No were in this does it say that Malal wasn't a primarch. It also doesnt say that he is so, in course i wasn't wrong but neither were you. Its a draw.

*facepalm*
Eldrad, from taking a look at your earlier posts, it seems that you dont really have a clear idea what a Primarch is.
Here: http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Primarch

The Primarchs were the twenty genetically-engineered "sons" of the Emperor. The Emperor used his own DNA in their creation, and they were designed to be far superior to the average human: immensely larger, stronger, hardier, faster, and more intelligent. They were also incredibly charismatic, as their main role was to be generals and leaders of the Imperial military.

There were twenty (20), two (2) of which have been erased from Imperial records. The other eighteen (20-2=18) are all known and named. The two that are missing have never been named, ever, with the sole exception being Rubinek, which only appeared once a long time ago and has been retconned.

Games Workshop also does not use Malal any more in the fluff; they havent since 1988. Im gonna take a shot in the dark and say this is longer than you've been alive. Malal is not a primarch.

21 you mean seeing as Alpherius had a twin

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:

DEUS VULT wrote:

Eldrad wrote:No were in this does it say that Malal wasn't a primarch. It also doesnt say that he is so, in course i wasn't wrong but neither were you. Its a draw.

*facepalm*
Eldrad, from taking a look at your earlier posts, it seems that you dont really have a clear idea what a Primarch is.
Here: http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Primarch

The Primarchs were the twenty genetically-engineered "sons" of the Emperor. The Emperor used his own DNA in their creation, and they were designed to be far superior to the average human: immensely larger, stronger, hardier, faster, and more intelligent. They were also incredibly charismatic, as their main role was to be generals and leaders of the Imperial military.

There were twenty (20), two (2) of which have been erased from Imperial records. The other eighteen (20-2=18) are all known and named. The two that are missing have never been named, ever, with the sole exception being Rubinek, which only appeared once a long time ago and has been retconned.

Games Workshop also does not use Malal any more in the fluff; they havent since 1988. Im gonna take a shot in the dark and say this is longer than you've been alive. Malal is not a primarch.

21 you mean seeing as Alpherius had a twin

One soul in two bodies= One dude with two bodies
I count him as one cause he's basically one person. Bad fluff, IMHO, but whatever.

Sanguinius. Where was your precious space wolf when the emperor was being mortally wounded?

Mr Nobody wrote:

Maurin wrote:Yeah, Conrad is space batman, Corax is space ninja. Totally different, get it straight!

You've got it completely wrong, Corax isn't a space ninja, he's a flying space ninja! Completely different.

A thousand pardons, good sir. I don't know what I was thinking!

necrongod wrote:

Maurin wrote:Yeah, Conrad is space batman, Corax is space ninja. Totally different, get it straight!

i dunno corax is the one obssesed with birds AND he has wings....

shrike wrote:

Maurin wrote:Also, Sanguinius was pretty cool. Only primarch with wings!

Corax had metaphoric wings.

metaphoric wings! and bats are different to ravens.

prussia59 wrote:

necrongod wrote:are you kidding? magnus, beyond a doubt. im pretty sure i read somewhere that magnus' was almost as powerful as the emperor.

... Naaah. Cause the emperor doesn't get slapped around by a drunk Viking.

if you would have read a thousand sons, magnus LET the space wolves kick their asses because he felt they deserved it

Lion'el jonson and leman russ, cause they use to make pub brawls
""coz my strategy went wrong for your stupid habits dog idiot!!!"...
" Ehy, come on johnny... I had to solve the thing fast because there was the superball that night"

Guillaman because he is BLUEEEEE!

necrongod wrote:

prussia59 wrote:

necrongod wrote:are you kidding? magnus, beyond a doubt. im pretty sure i read somewhere that magnus' was almost as powerful as the emperor.

... Naaah. Cause the emperor doesn't get slapped around by a drunk Viking.

if you would have read a thousand sons, magnus LET the space wolves kick their asses because he felt they deserved it

A likely exscuse. "I didn't get my butt handed to me! I was just humoring them!"

Maurin wrote:

necrongod wrote:

prussia59 wrote:

necrongod wrote:are you kidding? magnus, beyond a doubt. im pretty sure i read somewhere that magnus' was almost as powerful as the emperor.

... Naaah. Cause the emperor doesn't get slapped around by a drunk Viking.

if you would have read a thousand sons, magnus LET the space wolves kick their asses because he felt they deserved it

A likely exscuse. "I didn't get my butt handed to me! I was just humoring them!"

Well, not only did he have to fight Leman Russ, he also had to hold the Space Wolves. So he fought an entire army, by himself.

WARORK93 wrote:tough call

1st place: Sanguinius, He held the palace gate by his lonesome, then he teleported onto the barge where Horus even when he was weak from the fighting. The guy knew he was gonna die but he faced his fate anyway, fought like a lion, died like a lamb, I can admire that kind of self sacrifice.

2nd place: a tie between Jaghtai Khan, and Leman Russ, Khan for his steadfastness at the siege of the palace and Russ, well...

Space viking, nuff said.

"Do you remember that time he got drunk and tried to throw it [His spear] at the moon? It took us 3 days of searching that bloody jungle to find it"

where'd you find that? Its just plain hilarious!

I was tired when I got home from work and decided instead of tired I was going to be awesome instead. However, I read the above post and realized someone had already been awesome in this thread.

Sang was pure of heart, a beat stick and a martyr for the cause.
Khan halted Horus's supply route to Terra, therein helping end the siege.
Russ is just a drunk viking, tough to not like that.

Mukkin'About wrote:Sanguinius. Where was your precious space wolf when the emperor was being mortally wounded?

Destroying an entire SM legion.

A single favourite is hard for me to pick out.

My favs are: Ferrus Manus, Fulgrim, Magnus, Konrad Curze, Angron, Dorn and Alpharius*

My least favourite are: Sanguinius, Horus, Leman Russ, Khan, Lion El'Johnson

I also really dig the Emperor...


*I actually liked Alpharius before the whole twin story came to be. It's just lame this way IMO.

As for the legions:

Favs: Thousand Sons, Emperor's Kiddies, Iron Hands, Imperial Fists
Least Favourite: Blood Angels, Iron Warriors and Black Legion/Lunar Wolves

Konrad Kurze.

He is the epitome of awesomeness. He's got a problem with his planet? Nuke it from orbit. You face death in the face? Spew the greatest line ever uttered in 40k:

Your presence does not surprise me, Assassin. I have known of you ever since your craft entered the Eastern Fringes. Why did I not have you killed? Because your mission and the act you are about to commit proves the truth of all I have ever said or done. I merely punished those who had wronged, just as your false Emperor now seeks to punish me. Death is nothing compared to vindication.

You ask were Russ was when the emperor was wounded he was laughing at how terrible sanguinus was

chowderhead13 wrote:Konrad Kurze.

He is the epitome of awesomeness. He's got a problem with his planet? Nuke it from orbit. You face death in the face? Spew the greatest line ever uttered in 40k:

Your presence does not surprise me, Assassin. I have known of you ever since your craft entered the Eastern Fringes. Why did I not have you killed? Because your mission and the act you are about to commit proves the truth of all I have ever said or done. I merely punished those who had wronged, just as your false Emperor now seeks to punish me. Death is nothing compared to vindication.

Although that line was pretty epic, Kurze was one of my least favorite primarchs.

Seems like he was always making excuses for himself

"Why the hell are you so savage?" "Oh I cant help it , I was raised that way"

What a load of bull, that goes for him and Angron too. Both were so hotheaded and insensetive they couldnt see they were practically handing their souls over to be played with by the Chaos gods.

Deus Vault I'm pretty sure I know what a primarch is. The god emperor is the father of the Primarches is he not. IMO if they are just mere genetic copies of him then biologicly he would be the same as them. Also you said there are two Primarches that aren't talked about and that could very well mean that Malal is one of them. Sure he was discontinued from 40k but that doesn't mean he wasn't a Primarch. This is all I
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WARORK93 wrote:

chowderhead13 wrote:Konrad Kurze.

He is the epitome of awesomeness. He's got a problem with his planet? Nuke it from orbit. You face death in the face? Spew the greatest line ever uttered in 40k:

Your presence does not surprise me, Assassin. I have known of you ever since your craft entered the Eastern Fringes. Why did I not have you killed? Because your mission and the act you are about to commit proves the truth of all I have ever said or done. I merely punished those who had wronged, just as your false Emperor now seeks to punish me. Death is nothing compared to vindication.

Although that line was pretty epic, Kurze was one of my least favorite primarchs.

Seems like he was always making excuses for himself

"Why the hell are you so savage?" "Oh I cant help it , I was raised that way"

What a load of bull, that goes for him and Angron too. Both were so hotheaded and insensetive they couldnt see they were practically handing their souls over to be played with by the Chaos gods.

Konrad was Evil, not crazy. He was plotting, vicious, and used fear to capture entire worlds without setting foot on them. Angron is a angry sack of crap.

Lexi on Angron:

During the course of the Great Crusade, he reaped many victories, although some criticized the extreme and bloodthirsty tactics he used to ensure the destruction of his opponents.

Lexi on Night Haunter

Night Haunter encouraged his legion to decorate their armour with images designed to inspire fear in the enemy, a tactic that proved incredibly effective. Soon, rumours of the impending presence of the Night Lords would cause a system to pay all outstanding tithes, cease all illegal activities and put to death any mutants and suspected heretics.

One was tactics oriented, the other just wanted skulls for the golden throne.

shrike wrote:

necrongod wrote:

Maurin wrote:Yeah, Conrad is space batman, Corax is space ninja. Totally different, get it straight!

i dunno corax is the one obssesed with birds AND he has wings....

shrike wrote:

Maurin wrote:Also, Sanguinius was pretty cool. Only primarch with wings!

Corax had metaphoric wings.

metaphoric wings! and bats are different to ravens.

actually in the first heretic, it says he has some type of metal wings attached to his jump pack

Eldrad wrote:Deus Vault I'm pretty sure I know what a primarch is. The god emperor is the father of the Primarches is he not. IMO if they are just mere genetic copies of him then biologicly he would be the same as them. Also you said there are two Primarches that aren't talked about and that could very well mean that Malal is one of them. Sure he was discontinued from 40k but that doesn't mean he wasn't a Primarch. This is all I
have to say on this topic.


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Ok dude, ok

In no particular order:
-Horus (before Cha.. er I mean sub-par writing destroyed him.)
-Alpharius\Omegon
-Konrad Curze
-Mortarion

Undivided i like your post

Eldrad wrote:Deus Vault I'm pretty sure I know what a primarch is. The god emperor is the father of the Primarches is he not. IMO if they are just mere genetic copies of him then biologicly he would be the same as them. Also you said there are two Primarches that aren't talked about and that could very well mean that Malal is one of them. Sure he was discontinued from 40k but that doesn't mean he wasn't a Primarch. This is all I
have to say on this topic.


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Malal was never a primarch. He was a Chaos god. He now simply never existed.
And if the primarch are genetic copies of the Emperor then how are they different?

purplefood wrote:

Eldrad wrote:Deus Vault I'm pretty sure I know what a primarch is. The god emperor is the father of the Primarches is he not. IMO if they are just mere genetic copies of him then biologicly he would be the same as them. Also you said there are two Primarches that aren't talked about and that could very well mean that Malal is one of them. Sure he was discontinued from 40k but that doesn't mean he wasn't a Primarch. This is all I
have to say on this topic.


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Malal was never a primarch. He was a Chaos god. He now simply never existed.
And if the primarch are genetic copies of the Emperor then how are they different?

if i remember correctly, each of the primarchs are a copy of one aspect of the emperor. magnus his psycic powers, angron his battle skills, horus his will to conquer (there were other examples but i couldnt remember and i couldnt find my copy of the first heretic) etc, etc, etc

Best at what?

I'd say the coolest are as follows:

Russ, for his drunken viking awesomeness.

Kurze, the dark knight for doing what he though was right.

Corax, for being based on a Poe poem, and for being fething INVISIBLE!

Alpharius, cause he's dead.... or is he? The sneaky one is amazing! Plus he's a twin, and he sided with Horus to ultimately save the universe.

Top 3\

1 Angron of the world eaters
2 Konrad Curze of the Night Lords
3 Mortarion of the death guard/legion or simply put nurgle ROFL

one thing i think should be mentioned is why are certain primarchs DIISLIKED? Guilliman cuz hes got the most annoying blue colors, hes an arrogant dill weed, AND his name is impossible to spell. Horus because he was stupid enough to beleive by destroying the galaxy he could save humanity, he was also stupid enough to be trikked by a stupid word bearer, AND because he cant even beat a half- nurgle-half- man dude without nearly dying.






this may be off topic but i was just wondering

Rogal Dorn at number 1 for me
Fulgrim and Magnus are tied for 2nd

Eldrad wrote:Deus Vault I'm pretty sure I know what a primarch is. The god emperor is the father of the Primarches is he not. IMO if they are just mere genetic copies of him then biologicly he would be the same as them. Also you said there are two Primarches that aren't talked about and that could very well mean that Malal is one of them. Sure he was discontinued from 40k but that doesn't mean he wasn't a Primarch. This is all I
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Sorry friend, but saying that just because there's two unnamed primarchs, Malal could be one, isn't exactly a logical argument. There are actually a few points to suggest he isn't, barring that not knowing about the two unknown legions is part of the mystique of the 40k universe, the main one being he is a warp-entity, not a Daemon-Prince. The other Primarchs became Daemon-Princes upon their 'ascension' to Chaos, yet he is not, which alone suggests he is different.

Other points being that he acts in the Warhammer Fantasy universe, does not have an Astartes legion, and seems to have been turned into the being the Sons of Malice worship as 'Malice'. These all suggest he is not one of the unnamed primarchs.

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As for my favourite primarch, I'd probably have to go with......... Lion'El Johnson, due to his superb tactical mind, and the fact he seems the most 'human' of the primarchs, without trying to be excessively so. He is a primarch, and obviously so, yet is prone to moodyness, jealousy, and brooding behaviour.

Guilliman for his Sun Tzu impression is also a favourite, as well as Magnus 'I could clean up working as a magician on TV'.

Ummmm...... Malal is the retconed chaos god of chaos destroying itself
IE anti-chaos chaos god

I'm pretty sure russ was a furry

youbedead wrote:I'm pretty sure russ was a furry

I died a little bit inside.

So then Describe to me why he hates chaos there is no other reason for him to hate chaos unless he was forced into it when he was young. Infact he should love chaos he feeds off chaos. He leaches from them to make himself powerful. I cant argue the fact about his presince in the fantasy world but as we all know everything in 40k derives from something in fantasy. But i believe that the suns of Malice are one of those un spoken legions. Plus who the heck is Malice if it isn't Malal. Also if he was a normal chaos god then it wouldn't mater if he had followers or not because he could simply make them. I think ive said anough to support my theory it may or may not be correct think what you must but i would like to get back to the thread instead of talking about this.


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Deus Vault nice pic

whatever i have to go to sleep no point arguing with a child... im going to sleep

I think Sanguinius was the best Primarch.

I mean, seriously, how many of you would walk to your death and even knowing about it?

For awhile before the Horus Heresy Sanguinius and Horus were ho-hum palsy-walsy, and Horus even admitted he thought Sanguinius was better than him.

Dropping all the heroic crap, he had Angel wings.

Angels Wings > You


Also I think Guilliman was amazing.

Considering he stopped a second and third civil war and made a way to prevent entire legions of Space Marines going heretical by splitting them down into smaller sizes, and then enforcing it on 99% of the Space Marine Loyalist, save for a couple, I think that's saying a lot for his commitment.

Eldrad wrote:So then Describe to me why he hates chaos there is no other reason for him to hate chaos unless he was forced into it when he was young. Infact he should love chaos he feeds off chaos. He leaches from them to make himself powerful. I cant argue the fact about his presince in the fantasy world but as we all know everything in 40k derives from something in fantasy. But i believe that the suns of Malice are one of those un spoken legions. Plus who the heck is Malice if it isn't Malal. Also if he was a normal chaos god then it wouldn't mater if he had followers or not because he could simply make them. I think ive said anough to support my theory it may or may not be correct think what you must but i would like to get back to the thread instead of talking about this.


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Deus Vault nice pic

The Sons of Malice are not one of the lost legions. They are a reneagade chapter lead by chapter master Kathal. They were attacked by inquisitor Pletas of the Ordo Hereticus who they killed. This happened just prior to the 13th black crusade. http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Sons_of_Malice
Malal (or Malice) is the renegade god of Chaos and herarch of anarchy and terror. Chaos gods are created and sustained by emotions. I don't think it's possible for a mortal to become a chaos god.

VenerableBrotherPelinore wrote:

As for my favourite primarch, I'd probably have to go with......... Lion'El Johnson, due to his superb tactical mind, and the fact he seems the most 'human' of the primarchs, without trying to be excessively so. He is a primarch, and obviously so, yet is prone to moodyness, jealousy, and brooding behaviour.

Guilliman for his Sun Tzu impression is also a favourite, as well as Magnus 'I could clean up working as a magician on TV'.

This is exactly why he has always been my favorite. That brooding depressive genious.

Second runner up is Sing...the wings...the perfection...the result of his sacrafice and what it meant for the rest of his legion/chapter.

purplefood wrote:

Mukkin'About wrote:Sanguinius. Where was your precious space wolf when the emperor was being mortally wounded?

Destroying an entire SM legion.

"where was your precious primarch then?"
"Destroying a legion."
"...ah."

shrike wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Mukkin'About wrote:Sanguinius. Where was your precious space wolf when the emperor was being mortally wounded?

Destroying an entire SM legion.

"where was your precious primarch then?"
"Destroying a legion."
"...ah."

+1.

Taking magnus out of the fight wasn't as heroic as it iwas ntened to be, but the chaos gods lost a valuable weapon... while sanguinius was dying. Yes, it was a "heroic sacrifice" to let the emperor win, but it was kinda... accidental. Plus, it screwed over his legion forevermore.

Asgeirr Darkwolf wrote:

Taking magnus out of the fight wasn't as heroic as it iwas ntened to be, but the chaos gods lost a valuable weapon... while sanguinius was dying. Yes, it was a "heroic sacrifice" to let the emperor win, but it was kinda... accidental. Plus, it screwed over his legion forevermore.

In the older fluff, Sang was prescient and knew he was going to his death...but the chink he would deliver in Horus's chaotic armor was needed for the Big E to win. So he knowingly marched to his doom to save us all!

Well... who had the most long-lasting effect on the way things turned out? Oh yeah that's kind of obvious if you read the Horus heresy books, the ones about the Horus heresy, where Horus the primarch becomes a potential rival to the all-powerful Emperor while the other primarchs either bend to his influence or have to band together to defeat him, and the winged guy gets killed by Horus, and the Emperor gets mortally wounded capitalizing on the chink his wingy vampy son made... the answer is pretty clear... it's definitely Angron, the true main character of the Horus Here-say. They should have just named the whole incident after him or something.

yeenoghu wrote:Well... who had the most long-lasting effect on the way things turned out? Oh yeah that's kind of obvious if you read the Horus heresy books, the ones about the Horus heresy, where Horus the primarch becomes a potential rival to the all-powerful Emperor while the other primarchs either bend to his influence or have to band together to defeat him, and the winged guy gets killed by Horus, and the Emperor gets mortally wounded capitalizing on the chink his wingy vampy son made... the answer is pretty clear... it's definitely Angron, the true main character of the Horus Here-say. They should have just named the whole incident after him or something.

The Angron heresy...
Not quite the same ring to it.

Ooooh, its like being a kid in a sweet shop.

1. Angron. Just so damn angry.
2. Alpharius. Just so damn sneaky.
3. Lorgar. Just so damn emo. Nah, only kidding, third would be konrad kurze. Scary man/demigod/thing

purplefood wrote:

yeenoghu wrote:Well... who had the most long-lasting effect on the way things turned out? Oh yeah that's kind of obvious if you read the Horus heresy books, the ones about the Horus heresy, where Horus the primarch becomes a potential rival to the all-powerful Emperor while the other primarchs either bend to his influence or have to band together to defeat him, and the winged guy gets killed by Horus, and the Emperor gets mortally wounded capitalizing on the chink his wingy vampy son made... the answer is pretty clear... it's definitely Angron, the true main character of the Horus Here-say. They should have just named the whole incident after him or something.

The Angron heresy...
Not quite the same ring to it.

I havent actually read the books but I somehow get the feeling that the HH series wasnt that good?

WARORK93 wrote:

purplefood wrote:

yeenoghu wrote:Well... who had the most long-lasting effect on the way things turned out? Oh yeah that's kind of obvious if you read the Horus heresy books, the ones about the Horus heresy, where Horus the primarch becomes a potential rival to the all-powerful Emperor while the other primarchs either bend to his influence or have to band together to defeat him, and the winged guy gets killed by Horus, and the Emperor gets mortally wounded capitalizing on the chink his wingy vampy son made... the answer is pretty clear... it's definitely Angron, the true main character of the Horus Here-say. They should have just named the whole incident after him or something.

The Angron heresy...
Not quite the same ring to it.

I havent actually read the books but I somehow get the feeling that the HH series wasnt that good?

Most people here say it's pretty good. Depends on the book really though. And the author.

I havent read them eather but i read alot of lexicanum .

Mortarian - Becasue he had a godamn scythe, makes you awesome using a scythe

The scythe thing is admittedly, awesome, however he's a bit of a grouch/dour faced so and so in my opinion. Plus he had a bit of a bag on about psychics which I think is a tad short sighted.

Considering the reason he and his legion end up all Nurgley is because of a psychic you have to agree with him.

That and crap luck from day one

Lorgar, Corax and Vulkan.


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I would have gone for Mortarion, but he didn't dedicate himself to papa nurgle straight away, he was 'Persuaded' to by having much of his legion destroyed by the destroyer plague.

I being a fan of good and loyal guys trying to make a difference, id go for Corax then Sanguinius, those HH guys are just too... cliche (cept kurze i think). Anyways, Sanguinius died for a noble cause, just like Big E almost did.

Sanguinius. Went to his death when he knew it was coming, did not turn when it would have saved him. Sang also was favored by many to be the warmaster over Horus and took Horus' ascension to Warmaster bearing no ill will.

I am really hoping we get a lot more background on this enigmatic primarch in the HH novels.

shrike wrote:Corax the SM ninja,
Vulkan the craftsman lavaman,
Dorn the loyal,
Lion el' johnson the gay,
Khan the biker,
Angron the angry,
Sanguinius the killy,
gulliman the writer (even though chaos can easily predict what we're gonna do because of it)

You forgot Russ the constantly inebriated.

SM ninja FTW!!!
sanguinius is cool, but I prefer rowboat to golden boy. After all, he did write the codex-astartes. That's a pretty damn useful book.

I dunno, all these goody two shoes sm guys, I can respect the loyalty n all, but I just dont think they're as interesting. Don't get me wrong, being good isn't boring, but I feel they delve more deeply into the characters that are turned, because it makes a better journey for the audience, so I can get taken along with that a bit more. Then again, maybe i',m just a sucker for a guy with twin chainaxes and a drug induced war frenzy....

shrike wrote:SM ninja FTW!!!
sanguinius is cool, but I prefer rowboat to golden boy. After all, he did write the codex-astartes. That's a pretty damn useful book.

is that why quite a few legoins decided not to use it?

necrongod wrote:

shrike wrote:SM ninja FTW!!!
sanguinius is cool, but I prefer rowboat to golden boy. After all, he did write the codex-astartes. That's a pretty damn useful book.

is that why quite a few legoins decided not to use it?

All the Legions adopted the Codex Astartes to some extent. The Space Wolves are the only legion that didnt adopt the Codex Astartes 10 company format
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Codex_Astartes
The majority of Chapters are Ultramarines successors and follow the Codex closely.

shrike wrote:SM ninja FTW!!!
sanguinius is cool, but I prefer rowboat to golden boy. After all, he did write the codex-astartes. That's a pretty damn useful book.

not really, think about it if he hadn't broken up the marine legions the nids wouldn't be such a threat and astartes would be less predicable

Russ for being awesome and just plain fun to read about.

Kurze for his grim past and his underhanded tactics, it would be awesome to see Russ and Kurze fight

Dorn for his awesome defensive capabilities, steadfast as the castles he builds.

Magnus for his psychic awesomeness, second only to the Emperor it seems, and for the tragic events concerning his precious legion.

Sanguinius for me definitely, I mean just look at the guy he has wings that allow him to fly even whilst carrying all his primarch battle kit, intense psychic abilities that revolve around using blood as a weapon both inside and outside the body, he can see the future, his legions / his artificed gear looks like THE BOMB and not forgetting the whole heroic sacrifice thing.

Closely followed by Vulkan (His origin story is awesome not to mention the promethium cult deserves major kudos) and Lion el johnson (gotta love the idea of his final battle with Lex Luthor , Oh and hes sleeping in a ROCK waiting for the end of days so he can bust out and kick ass)

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:

shrike wrote:SM ninja FTW!!!
sanguinius is cool, but I prefer rowboat to golden boy. After all, he did write the codex-astartes. That's a pretty damn useful book.

not really, think about it if he hadn't broken up the marine legions the nids wouldn't be such a threat and astartes would be less predicable

I've thought about it. Yor statement makes no sense.
The purpose of breaking up the legions was not to reduce the number of space marines (arguably there are more in total now(m41) than during the HH) but rather to reduce the power wielded by one man/primarch. The standing legions were simply too powerful. By splitting the legions into 1000+/- marine chapters the Imperium increased tactical flexibility, maintained the total number of Marines, and decreased the potential threat of Marines going rogue. The Tyranids are a threat because there are a lot of them, not because the legions no longer exist. The Imperium does not pursue an expansionist policy as they did during the Great Crusade. Rather, the maintenance of Imperial space is the current focus. Due to their flexible nature, Chapters are better suited for this task than legions.
In addressing your second point, how does the Codex Astartes make them less predictable? I think you may be confusing it as a simple playbook, which it is not. While it does address tactics, it also address strategy, logistics and other factors critical to conducting a succesful campaign and organizing a squad/company/chapter. I doubt very much that Guilliman would write the text if it gave the enemy any kind of significant tacitial or strategic advantage.

Any Chaos Primarch that is still hanging around with his troops. I'm a big fan of Lorgar for his initial efforts, but this whole "ascend to Daemonhood then lock himself in his room for 10,000 years and counting" is a bit annoying.

codex astartes IS a play book written by a pimarch who was an unwitting tool of chaos to farther break down the imperium (read legion to know what i am talking about)

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:codex astartes IS a play book written by a pimarch who was an unwitting tool of chaos to farther break down the imperium (read legion to know what i am talking about)

Do you have anything to back up that statement?

I like Dorn and Sanguinius.

Dorn is steady as a rock. Honourable and reliable. He embodies traits I admire. He also defended the palace like a boss.

Sanguinius died for your sins.

DEUS VULT wrote:

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:codex astartes IS a play book written by a pimarch who was an unwitting tool of chaos to farther break down the imperium (read legion to know what i am talking about)

Do you have anything to back up that statement?

read it, it basically says what you can or cannot do... and if you don't adhere to this the entire imperium comes down on you... unless your the wolves for some odd reason

DEUS VULT wrote:

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:codex astartes IS a play book written by a pimarch who was an unwitting tool of chaos to farther break down the imperium (read legion to know what i am talking about)

Do you have anything to back up that statement?

the book. legion

Vulkan. Sorry. But I like Halberds more than swords.

Kurze: The way he carried out justice in his past and how his legion fought prior to going too far. Quick, decisive, cruel and a complete surprise.

Lion: Surviving on a death world as an infant away from civilization says enough. Master strategist and cautious/paranoid behavior to keep his back safe. Only his faith in his brothers undid him.

Rowboat: Made one of the nicest places to live in the imperium. Being a master of logistics is one of the best talents though or else you end up like the Americans in the Spanish-American war... hi, cavalry division here. whats that? No, the horses didn't make it save 2 and one drowned coming ashore.

I'll be honest and I don't mean this disparagingly...but I'm shocked Kurze is liked by so many. I always found his character template so emo I guess....I would have never guessed he would be so popular.

I like dem all!

But seriously...

Kurze, Sanguinius, Corax, Angron, and.... I like turtles (Dorn)

Hehe... first 4 are mostly assualt oriented, then we get to turtles...

Malal is a chaos god.
Read the HH book, heroes of the space marines.

Rogal Dorn.

He saved the Emperor's life!

In my opinion it has to be Lion El'Johnson or Angron, both of these primarch's survived an attack when they where but a 'tiny' baby.

The Lion survived on a death world with warp beasts and Angron killed a freakin Eldar Farseer sent back to kill him!

rogal dorn. purely because the back templars originated from him.
also, konrad kurze, because... he is the batman

For the loyalists mine is Sanguinius, since he held the interior gate of the palace alone. Broke Kar'Banda over his knee. They right before he dies he rips the heads off to other blood thristers then Horus kills him.

Overall favorite primarch though has to Cruze. He was the monster the Emperor needed him to be.

What LeacyofBaal said about Curze. Perfect.

Asgeirr Darkwolf wrote:

shrike wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Mukkin'About wrote:Sanguinius. Where was your precious space wolf when the emperor was being mortally wounded?

Destroying an entire SM legion.

"where was your precious primarch then?"
"Destroying a legion."
"...ah."

+1.

Taking magnus out of the fight wasn't as heroic as it iwas ntened to be, but the chaos gods lost a valuable weapon... while sanguinius was dying. Yes, it was a "heroic sacrifice" to let the emperor win, but it was kinda... accidental. Plus, it screwed over his legion forevermore.

I think you are looking at the Russ/Magnus situation from the wrong angle. Magnus had not fallen to Chaos when Russ attacked. Russ' orders from the Emperor were to bring Magnus back to Terra for punishment. Horus intercepted those orders, being the Warmaster, and gave Russ new orders to destroy the Thousand Sons. When Russ began his attack Magnus thought the Emperor had betrayed him and vowed his loyalty to Chaos.

So technically, Russ removed a powerful tool of Chaos from the Heresy. But it was also a tool that would not have belonged to Chaos had Russ not attacked it.

OT: My vote is for Sanguinius. Wise and humble in counsel, but fierce and relentless in battle.

Have to be Sanguinius for me, his personality just seems the most human to me he is noble at his best and a raging, killing, brezerker at his worst, plus he manhandled a Blood thirster and then willing goes to open up a can on Horus who is on par with the Emperor, which doesn't go as planned but hey win some lose some

necrongod wrote:

DEUS VULT wrote:

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:codex astartes IS a play book written by a pimarch who was an unwitting tool of chaos to farther break down the imperium (read legion to know what i am talking about)

Do you have anything to back up that statement?

the book. legion

You HAVE to do better than throw a book at me. WHERE in the book? Gimme a page number or even better, a direct quote!

Lord Chiasson wrote:Have to be Sanguinius for me, his personality just seems the most human to me he is noble at his best and a raging, killing, brezerker at his worst, plus he manhandled a Blood thirster and then willing goes to open up a can on Horus who is on par with the Emperor, which doesn't go as planned but hey win some lose some

Apparently he knew he was going to die, but did it anyway because he knew it was his fate to oppose Horus and fall. He went out with courage and honour.

According to Dan Abnett he was the kind of guy who got to know each of his brothers on a very intimate personal level and didn't have quarrels with anyone.

Expunged number 2

because you're such a crazy fether that not even the imperium knows who you are, and neither does chaos.

and cuz Expunged number one was a ponce. Did you see the way he hogged all the grox steak that one time we all went over to Sangy's place for snacks? What a gak head!

EmilCrane wrote:

Lord Chiasson wrote:Have to be Sanguinius for me, his personality just seems the most human to me he is noble at his best and a raging, killing, brezerker at his worst, plus he manhandled a Blood thirster and then willing goes to open up a can on Horus who is on par with the Emperor, which doesn't go as planned but hey win some lose some

Apparently he knew he was going to die, but did it anyway because he knew it was his fate to oppose Horus and fall. He went out with courage and honour.

According to Dan Abnett he was the kind of guy who got to know each of his brothers on a very intimate personal level and didn't have quarrels with anyone.

Yeah a true bad mother....shut yo mouth. SANG!! Oh yeah!!!

It's Vulkan for me. I like hammers, fire & flames. Plus he was kind of a nice guy compared to the giant dicks most of the other Primarchs are.

DEUS VULT wrote:

necrongod wrote:

DEUS VULT wrote:

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:codex astartes IS a play book written by a pimarch who was an unwitting tool of chaos to farther break down the imperium (read legion to know what i am talking about)

Do you have anything to back up that statement?

the book. legion

You HAVE to do better than throw a book at me. WHERE in the book? Gimme a page number or even better, a direct quote!

ok i dont have an excact quote (lost my copy of the book) but heres how it goes. this orginization called the cabal made up of a bunch of aliens that are good at seeing the future. they predicted that if the emperor beat horus then he would be reduced to a corpse and the imperuim would halt all expansion stopping. in this stagnant time chaos would eventually seep in and win in the end. however, they said if Horus wins that the galaxy would be plunged into eternal war, eventually destroying all humanity, but in the process destroying chaos(no emotion, no gods). that is why the alpha legion joined horus, to destroy chaos. whether or not the cabal was right it is yet to be seen

thats as well as i can remeber i hope i did a good job of explaining. correct me if im wrong, all ye who have read legion

thanks for posting i have enjoyed every ones coments.

Sanguinius,just for plain awesomeness.he has wings!wings!

bok_choy17 wrote:Sanguinius,just for plain awesomeness.he has wings!wings!

Corax kinda has wings.

My favorite would probably be Dorn, calm and collected, a good tactical mind (but not the best), good combat skills (but not the best), but one hell of a siege specialist. He is basically good at most things (better than some of the other primarchs) but does not hold it over everyone's heads. Plus he was the only one with the balls enough to really stand up against the codex astartes, which ended up getting him over his head (meanwhile Vulkan and Russ just seemed to sit in the shadows and go "meh, whatever, if they pass it, we just won't really follow it").

Next would be Alpharius because from Legion it was made clear that he isn't as serious as his other brothers, he likes to go out and do his own things while another of his Legion pretends to be him (which I think is brilliant)
Finally, Curze, I can't help but feel a little bad for him, because nobody believed his visions (well, Dorn didn't and Fulgrim was a bit scared of him), but he was a very effective commander.

After those three I kind of have soft spots for Sanguinius, Russ, and Khan, but not as big as the first three for me.

My faviroute is definatly Fulgrim because he is the only being who has killed two primarchs (arguably guilman's not dead but healing) and he strangled the avatar of khaine to death, how bada** is that

necrongod wrote:

DEUS VULT wrote:

necrongod wrote:

DEUS VULT wrote:

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:codex astartes IS a play book written by a pimarch who was an unwitting tool of chaos to farther break down the imperium (read legion to know what i am talking about)

Do you have anything to back up that statement?

the book. legion

You HAVE to do better than throw a book at me. WHERE in the book? Gimme a page number or even better, a direct quote!

ok i dont have an excact quote (lost my copy of the book) but heres how it goes. this orginization called the cabal made up of a bunch of aliens that are good at seeing the future. they predicted that if the emperor beat horus then he would be reduced to a corpse and the imperuim would halt all expansion stopping. in this stagnant time chaos would eventually seep in and win in the end. however, they said if Horus wins that the galaxy would be plunged into eternal war, eventually destroying all humanity, but in the process destroying chaos(no emotion, no gods). that is why the alpha legion joined horus, to destroy chaos. whether or not the cabal was right it is yet to be seen

thats as well as i can remeber i hope i did a good job of explaining. correct me if im wrong, all ye who have read legion

I gather you mean that Guilliman is a tool of Chaos for killing Alpharius? I kinda get what youre getting at, but I submit:
1) Guilliman had no idea Alpharius was still loyal to the Imperium
2) Whose to say the cabal was telling the truth? They have their own motives, and tricking a Primarch into joining Chaos would be a signifcant blow to weaken the Imperium.
I hope I am not misunderstanding your point. I apologize if so.

moonshine wrote:My faviroute is definatly Fulgrim because he is the only being who has killed two primarchs (arguably guilman's not dead but healing) and he strangled the avatar of khaine to death, how bada** is that

Why do fans still think he is healing? When we have in character references of revered Ultramarines saying that they know Gulliman is dead and will never return.

If you want to root for a Primarch to come back root for the Lion.

or Russ

Corax!

Sanguinius is cool... but just too perfect. Each Primarch was created for a purpoose; Sang's was to be the golden child (and to sacrifice himself... but we've been over this.). Who gets my vote for the coolest job? Top 3:

Kurze, to impose order in whatever means necessary, and to use fear as a weapon and tool.

Alpharius, to find the plans of hte enemies and stop them before they know the plans themselves. Plus, you know, they're identical ninjas.

RRRRRRRUUUUUSSSS! His legion was created for the purpose, as an extreme safeguard, to take down another legion. Badass. You don't get much cooler than that. He is the plan B, the Order 66, the hound of the Emperor (can be used in a good and bad way).

Asgeirr Darkwolf wrote:RRRRRRRUUUUUSSSS! His legion was created for the purpose, as an extreme safeguard, to take down another legion. Badass. You don't get much cooler than that. He is the plan B, the Order 66, the hound of the Emperor (can be used in a good and bad way).

Now that explains a lot... GENIOUS!

shrike wrote:SM ninja FTW!!!
sanguinius is cool, but I prefer rowboat to golden boy. After all, he did write the codex-astartes. That's a pretty damn useful book.

It teaches Marines everywhere how to count to 10!

Asgeirr Darkwolf wrote:Sanguinius is cool... but just too perfect. Each Primarch was created for a purpoose; Sang's was to be the golden child .

lorgar was golden..............


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DEUS VULT wrote:

necrongod wrote:

DEUS VULT wrote:

necrongod wrote:

DEUS VULT wrote:

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:codex astartes IS a play book written by a pimarch who was an unwitting tool of chaos to farther break down the imperium (read legion to know what i am talking about)

Do you have anything to back up that statement?

the book. legion

You HAVE to do better than throw a book at me. WHERE in the book? Gimme a page number or even better, a direct quote!

ok i dont have an excact quote (lost my copy of the book) but heres how it goes. this orginization called the cabal made up of a bunch of aliens that are good at seeing the future. they predicted that if the emperor beat horus then he would be reduced to a corpse and the imperuim would halt all expansion stopping. in this stagnant time chaos would eventually seep in and win in the end. however, they said if Horus wins that the galaxy would be plunged into eternal war, eventually destroying all humanity, but in the process destroying chaos(no emotion, no gods). that is why the alpha legion joined horus, to destroy chaos. whether or not the cabal was right it is yet to be seen

thats as well as i can remeber i hope i did a good job of explaining. correct me if im wrong, all ye who have read legion

I gather you mean that Guilliman is a tool of Chaos for killing Alpharius? I kinda get what youre getting at, but I submit:
1) Guilliman had no idea Alpharius was still loyal to the Imperium
2) Whose to say the cabal was telling the truth? They have their own motives, and tricking a Primarch into joining Chaos would be a signifcant blow to weaken the Imperium.
I hope I am not misunderstanding your point. I apologize if so.

i think you pretty much got it, but i think the eldar are pretty bent on destroying chaos. oh, and omegon is still alive