Well, the following rumour is very unspecific, but as it comes from one of the best rumour mongers, 75hastings69 over at Warseer, I post it anyway:

Skaven = Jan
O&G = March
Summer = VERY INTERESTING for WFB players
& TK and maybe OK as well as second wave releases for other WFB armies.
(On the question Wood Elves in 2011) AFAIK "No".
Only thing I heard is a rather LARGE WE "type" mini in the works
(...)
Well after the recent fantastic minis released by GW (pretty much all the IoB stuff, new skaven etc.) the stuff scheduled for next year is again very very special, and should interest players of ALL races make of that what you will

Have to add it's the most excited I've been about WFB for a long long time.
(...)
(On the question, if this is the monsters) Hmmm, very interesting my friend ....... very interesting indeed, obviously there'd need to be much more than a Chimera for me to get excited, perhaps the return of some long forgotten stuff might excite some old duffer like myself that's been in the hobby for over 25 years....
("If I'm allowed to wishlist I'd rather say Siege.") You're not

Apocalypse for Warhammer Fantasy? Just bring back the generals compendium!

ooooH!

Cockatrice!

If everyone will be interested, it's probably a "superheavy" that anyone can use. A fantasy Baneblade, if you will.

Actually, my first thought was some of that terrain with funky rules that's in the new rulebook, but that probably wouldn't make Hastings quite that excited.

Sounds awesome... I wish it would be some stuff like chaos dwarves, a land train or such! But that wouldn't apply to all races... would excite someone who had been in the hobby for a long time, though.

I agree about the "super heavy" idea being a good fit, but wouldn't that match up with forge world better? And wouldn't they be stealing some of forge world's 2011 thunder? Or maybe they think it will be a stepping stone to getting people to invest in large fantasy forge world models.

Nice rumor, thanks for sharing! Has me very interested, indeed!

Well, we get a Chaos Dwarf Land train by Warhammer Forge.
Personally I always hope for good terrain (no not another skull tower, but maybe Elven buildings), but that doesn't quite fit the description.

But how about an updated Warhammer Quest box with current quality plastics! Just personal speculation though. But then again, it isn't Warhammer Fantasy BATTLE so doesn't fit either.

I'm thinking it is a huge Summer Event, like a Chaos invasion or some such, that will effect the entire Warhammer world. This way, all armies are envolved, and you could have some specific miniatres that are the main characters in the overall story. Maybe even some specific terrain that will also be important. They've done it before, and would be really fun to bring the game into the spotlight.

Maybe Nagash is going to make a return, since they have already done a Chaos Invasion. That would also bring the Tomb Kings up from the South.

Just an idea...

Yeah, guessing Summer Campaign or Warhammer expansion like Apocalypse/Spearhead.

Warhammer Monsters sounds like fun, though I really need more encouragement to paint the old rank and file.

You can cross campaign off, in all likelyhood.

They've said they're not going to do them after Storm of Chaos/Fall of Medusa. Too many moving parts that can feth up.

More likely is their rumored "Apocalyptic Battle" rule set, and some kind of generic "fortress", and perhaps a plastic Emperor Dragon.

No WE Codex.....BLAH

Kanluwen wrote:...More likely is their rumored "Apocalyptic Battle" rule set, and some kind of generic "fortress"...

What, like this generic fortress that they already sell?

That fortress is way too generic! It needs more skulls, crude stonework and bling baby, lots and lots of bling!

CaptainLoken wrote:I'm thinking it is a huge Summer Event, like a Chaos invasion or some such, that will effect the entire Warhammer world. This way, all armies are envolved, and you could have some specific miniatres that are the main characters in the overall story. Maybe even some specific terrain that will also be important. They've done it before, and would be really fun to bring the game into the spotlight.

Maybe Nagash is going to make a return, since they have already done a Chaos Invasion. That would also bring the Tomb Kings up from the South.

Just an idea...

A while back Jervis wrote a column to the effect of 'yeah we have these massive campaigns but nothing will ever change' basically saying that while fluff is nice it won't be refelected in the game since they don't want to tell players they can't play Ultramarines anymore because the nids ate them (though they have no trouble telling squat players that).

So I doubt a campaign would excite an old vet.


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Flashman wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:...More likely is their rumored "Apocalyptic Battle" rule set, and some kind of generic "fortress"...

What, like this generic fortress that they already sell?

That must be the oldest model still in production, certainly the oldest plastic.

BrookM wrote:That fortress is way too generic! It needs more skulls, crude stonework and bling baby, lots and lots of bling!

It's generic, but it's also decidedly human.

Yeah, this definitely sounds like WFB Apoc with rules for monsters and maybe Siege thrown in, but I guess we'll see.

Although I will say that if Hastings is keen on it, it's probably pretty good. In addition to being one of the best rumor guys out there, he's not afraid to give his unbiased opinion on releases (see Beastmen).

I'm hoping we don't see the Fortress re-released, as I'm happy there's at least one GW scenery model that isn't covered to the brim with skulls, decay, or marks of chaos. Do they think we're going to forget we're playing a GW game if they don't hammer it into even the very scenery of the game? "That wood is leafy, they might think they're playing Hordes!"

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

That must be the oldest model still in production, certainly the oldest plastic.

I dunno. Pretty certain the Eldar jetbike is still older

Oldest model are some of the Snotlings.

But yes..colour me deeply intrigued.

Almost certainly an expansion of some kind. Perhaps not Apocalypse is size though. Siege would be my bet.

could it be the return of the "Dogs of War" and "Regiments of Renown"?

floating fortresses!!! Can you see it!!!!

DragonLance Flying Citadel? That would be BOSS.

Why is it the 'Big summer event' always seems to be next year...? We never actually seem to get there

... and it is always Nagash

Kroothawk wrote:... and it is always Nagash

Because the Nagash miniature stands the test of time and people want a reason to purchase it and have awesome rules for it!


lol?

lord_blackfang wrote:If everyone will be interested, it's probably a "superheavy" that anyone can use. A fantasy Baneblade, if you will.

Actually, my first thought was some of that terrain with funky rules that's in the new rulebook, but that probably wouldn't make Hastings quite that excited.

That's the more likely case as it meshes with the rumors of O&G getting a super heavy spider thing mentioned from the their previous "rumor thread".

FIMIR!

No, I expect it will be something like Kanluwen suggested - a big friggin' dragon that everyone and their mother has access to.

quakejake13 wrote:could it be the return of the "Dogs of War" and "Regiments of Renown"?

Either that or a wave release of assorted regiments that need redoing. Those are the only things that would really come close to universal appeal.

Death By Monkeys wrote:No, I expect it will be something like Kanluwen suggested - a big friggin' dragon that everyone and their mother has access to.

Except most armies wouldn't have access to it.

AlexHolker wrote:

quakejake13 wrote:could it be the return of the "Dogs of War" and "Regiments of Renown"?

Either that or a wave release of assorted regiments that need redoing. Those are the only things that would really come close to universal appeal.

Except most armies have never had access to most of the regiments. Undead(either flavor), Chaos(any flavor), Dark Elves, Lizardmen, and Ogres had no entries for the RoRs.

Death By Monkeys wrote:No, I expect it will be something like Kanluwen suggested - a big friggin' dragon that everyone and their mother has access to.

Except most armies wouldn't have access to it.

Says who? The Emperor Dragon has a statline in the main rulebook. Just because it, at this moment, is only available to people with a specific Lore doesn't mean that you can't just use it without the Lore.

Same with any of the monsters in there. Cockatrices, Chimerae, everything has a stat line and can be fielded without the Transformation of Kadon--provided your opponent is okay with it.

If it's a monster that everyone can use, then I shall be disappointed. They did that already when they released the Warhammer Giant i.e. made it available for most races, but later went "Ho hum, did we say that? Well maybe it's ok in friendly games, but it's not really official. Oh you went out and bought a Giant for your VC army. Er... I guess you could use it as a background scenery piece."

I'm ok with some form of Monster/Legendary Battles Expansion but so long as they don't change their minds about it six months down the road.

Flashman wrote:If it's a monster that everyone can use, then I shall be disappointed. They did that already when they released the Warhammer Giant i.e. made it available for most races, but later went "Ho hum, did we say that? Well maybe it's ok in friendly games, but it's not really official. Oh you went out and bought a Giant for your VC army. Er... I guess you could use it as a background scenery piece."

Where did they ever say that?

Plus, in the case of an Emperor Dragon or the like...don't think of it as "Hey Giant Dragon, come fight for us!" think of it as "Oh balls. We've woken a sleeping monstrosity. Oh well, let's try to poke it and blame the other guys!"

Kanluwen wrote:

Flashman wrote:If it's a monster that everyone can use, then I shall be disappointed. They did that already when they released the Warhammer Giant i.e. made it available for most races, but later went "Ho hum, did we say that? Well maybe it's ok in friendly games, but it's not really official. Oh you went out and bought a Giant for your VC army. Er... I guess you could use it as a background scenery piece."

Where did they ever say that?

Dogs of War

Now yes I'd admit no one usually took giants. They just took frigging Mercenary Cannons becuase if theres one thing every army needs, its cannons

I'm thinking more Dogs of War.

Apocalypse worked for 40k thanks to Forgeworld. Essentially, the models were there, and people liked them.

Fantasy doesn't really have a range suitable, at present. Of course with Warhammer Forge looming, this is set to change. But in time for next year? Perhaps not so much.

No, I'm now thinking Dogs of War. It's something for everyone, and the sort of range you can add to whenever and indeed whatever.

Kanluwen wrote:

Flashman wrote:If it's a monster that everyone can use, then I shall be disappointed. They did that already when they released the Warhammer Giant i.e. made it available for most races, but later went "Ho hum, did we say that? Well maybe it's ok in friendly games, but it's not really official. Oh you went out and bought a Giant for your VC army. Er... I guess you could use it as a background scenery piece."

Where did they ever say that?

It's pretty much exactly what they said when they released the plastic Warhammer Giant. They stated in WD that giants could now be used by Empire, Vampire Counts, Tomb Kings, Skaven and Dark Elves (in addition to Ogres, Orcs and Goblins and Chaos) so that everyone would run out and buy one and then later pretended it was all just for fun. Glad I never fell for it.

Yes Flashman, because the hobby begins and indeed ends with official rules.

Kanluwen wrote:

AlexHolker wrote:

quakejake13 wrote:could it be the return of the "Dogs of War" and "Regiments of Renown"?

Either that or a wave release of assorted regiments that need redoing. Those are the only things that would really come close to universal appeal.

Except most armies have never had access to most of the regiments. Undead(either flavor), Chaos(any flavor), Dark Elves, Lizardmen, and Ogres had no entries for the RoRs.

So fix it? The Lizardmen already have Tichi-Huchi's Raiders and ogres have their own representatives among the mercenaries, but there's no reason why they couldn't throw in a couple of Sylvanians, some Norsemen for Chaos, and a few other new Regiments of Renown.

Except most armies wouldn't have access to it.

Says who? The Emperor Dragon has a statline in the main rulebook. Just because it, at this moment, is only available to people with a specific Lore doesn't mean that you can't just use it without the Lore.

Dwarves and Brettonians certainly wouldn't use it, for a start. Beastmen, Daemons, Skaven and Undead aren't likely to either.

Kanluwen wrote:

Flashman wrote:If it's a monster that everyone can use, then I shall be disappointed. They did that already when they released the Warhammer Giant i.e. made it available for most races, but later went "Ho hum, did we say that? Well maybe it's ok in friendly games, but it's not really official. Oh you went out and bought a Giant for your VC army. Er... I guess you could use it as a background scenery piece."

Where did they ever say that?

Plus, in the case of an Emperor Dragon or the like...don't think of it as "Hey Giant Dragon, come fight for us!" think of it as "Oh balls. We've woken a sleeping monstrosity. Oh well, let's try to poke it and blame the other guys!"

It's cool because we just know Warhammer needs a more large monsters to make the game less and less about the dozens of units that the armies are supposed to consist of both in background material and in sample army lists and force organisation.

Sure it's a given that 40K Apocalypse is slowed, non-competitive and played actively by maybe a total of five guys on this planet, but the same kind of push in Warhammer would/will be far and beyond slowed. Hey kids! Put that Dark Elf Warrior box down! You don't want those! You want a formation of 10 Hydras with a special super duper combined D strength breath attack! Stay tuned for the MEGA uber monster kit we're releasing next month!

Anyone remember the old Emperor Fire Dragon rules from FW?

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/D/dragemp.pdf

I wouldn't mind something like a big ol' dragon on its own. I'd probably pick one up to turn into a Coatl for my Lizardmen, even just as a display piece.

Mr Mystery wrote:I'm thinking more Dogs of War.

Apocalypse worked for 40k thanks to Forgeworld. Essentially, the models were there, and people liked them.

Fantasy doesn't really have a range suitable, at present. Of course with Warhammer Forge looming, this is set to change. But in time for next year? Perhaps not so much.

No, I'm now thinking Dogs of War. It's something for everyone, and the sort of range you can add to whenever and indeed whatever.

The problem with apoc for fantasy is not the model range.. Its that the game simply isnt suited to that kind of battle. In 40k you have easy ways to affect other sides of the battle but due to WFB's rigid movement system and minimal shooting that becomes almost impossible

Youre better off playing 2 or 3 side by side games because nothing from one side will affect the other

GW would have to drastically alter the game for huge battles to be even remotely enjoyable, I seriously doubt that's going to happen

Kirasu wrote:The problem with apoc for fantasy is not the model range.

40k Apocalypse is for 3000+ point games without a FOC.
The new Warhammer Fantasy edition is for 3000+ point games without a FOC, so doesn't need an Apocalypse version.

Mr Mystery wrote:Yes Flashman, because the hobby begins and indeed ends with official rules.

Some people enjoy having official and well-tested rules for their games. What is wrong with that?

You might as well not bother Neconilis, people have been asking that question for years and have yet to get a real answer.

Neconilis wrote:

Mr Mystery wrote:Yes Flashman, because the hobby begins and indeed ends with official rules.

Some people enjoy having official and well-tested rules for their games. What is wrong with that?

They why are they playing GW games?

What?

You were all thinking it.

Because competitive players like the fluff and models, too?

The only reason people think they don't is because they meet the worst of the worst and then assume every single competitive person in the world that plays any game is exactly like that.

No one would play this game if they didn't at least partially enjoy the background and felt the models were worth spending hundreds of dollars on. No one gets into this game for simple "ego-stroking" like what's often implied.

Sidstyler wrote:Because competitive players like the fluff and models, too?

You didn't get Kid_Kyoto's point: Some people doubt that GW does thorough playtesting anymore coughpyrovorecough

Mr Mystery wrote:Yes Flashman, because the hobby begins and indeed ends with official rules.

I am more than happy to mess around the ruleset for my own games (e.g. terrain on my battlefields is decidedly unmystical), but my issue with the Giant is that they expanded the armies that could include it and implied the ruling was official to increase sales of the model. A year later and could those Empire/VC/TK/Skaven/Dark Elf players use it in any sort of nonfriendly game? No.

the GW game I was excited about 20 years ago was Man-o-war

(a fantasy precursor to BFG for you young tykes out there)

I doubt it will ever return though

Kandle wrote:the GW game I was excited about 20 years ago was Man-o-war

(a fantasy precursor to BFG for you young tykes out there)

I doubt it will ever return though

No it wasnt, the precursor to BFG was space fleet which was released in 1991 followed by man o war in 1993

You are right though with it not returning which is such massive shame

Kroothawk wrote:

Sidstyler wrote:Because competitive players like the fluff and models, too?

You didn't get Kid_Kyoto's point: Some people doubt that GW does thorough playtesting anymore coughpyrovorecough

lol, admittedly I don't really "get" the pyrovore...I don't get a lot about Codex: Tyranids, actually...

Man-o-war sounds fun, I'm guessing it's like WHF ship battles then?

Yea it was ship to ship battles



Do not know whether the fluff is still canon though. Bretonnians for one are actually the best navy of the old world (something about coastal brets pretty much being a lot more like british sea empire or something)

Quest. Warhammer Quest.

Players of all armies can make use of it. And it would be 2011's Space Hulk I'd imagine, a single run boxed game. Seeing as we've just had Fantasy, and 40k is most likely due in 2012, they have a gap for a major release.

Plus, think of the revenue! Include the old monster list, and that's a lot of plastics and metals sold purely to those playing Quest alone.

Mr Mystery wrote:Quest. Warhammer Quest.

Players of all armies can make use of it. And it would be 2011's Space Hulk I'd imagine, a single run boxed game. Seeing as we've just had Fantasy, and 40k is most likely due in 2012, they have a gap for a major release.

Plus, think of the revenue! Include the old monster list, and that's a lot of plastics and metals sold purely to those playing Quest alone.

I would really, really like to see this happen. Might even put some money aside as a just-in-case.....

Give what they packed into it before, I'm squirelling away £100...just in case.

This would give me such a nerdgasm if it's true, I'll be peeling by trousers off the moon!

This is what I said when 3rd Ed Hulk came out - the only logical choice for a Limited Release Fantasy-based game would be one where the game is self-contained. The only really self-contained Fantasy game is Quest. You could put in about 8 plastic heroes, and then 3 full frames of great new bad-guys, all the old tiles, and just include as much stuff from the expansions in the basic box.

No support needed - everything that comes in the box is all you need.

Yup, so it makes sense. I do believe we'll see it, but whether it's in 2011 is just a guess!

Please GW....if you're reading this....DO IT.

Mr Mystery wrote:Yup, so it makes sense. I do believe we'll see it, but whether it's in 2011 is just a guess!

Please GW....if you're reading this....DO IT.

I think the world would end before GW takes internet advice

But knowing GW, they would make 10.000 $ steel moulds for a total of 100 WQ boxes, sell them on one day in selected GW stores and be happy how fast they sell out!

As long as they actually sell it, and I get my grubby mitts on one, I couldn't give a rats ass!

And if I am right, and it's another Space Hulkesque limited release, I certainly hope Store Managers show a little more backbone this time and not allow scalper arseholes to buy multiple copies, creating and inflating the second hand market all at once. Seriously pisses me off scalping like that!

Why should they care? They got paid for it, that's all that matters.

I really don't see any GW employee refusing to sell five boxes of them to a guy who came in willing to throw down the cash for them.

Sid...were I still working for them (and hadn't missed the Space Hulk release by a month when I re-joined last time) I'd have limited it to two per customer to be honest. It's not like I wouldn't sell them all without the help of scalpers. That the scalpers scalping actually worked is proof enough of that fact.

Mr Mystery wrote:Sid...were I still working for them (and hadn't missed the Space Hulk release by a month when I re-joined last time) I'd have limited it to two per customer to be honest. It's not like I wouldn't sell them all without the help of scalpers. That the scalpers scalping actually worked is proof enough of that fact.

I'm not sure a limit would help. If I wanted more I'd just send some friends to buy them for me. Others would too.

The only people screwed over by this would be the scalpers without any friends

There's a way past any system of course, and if someone puts the effort in then fair enough.

But walking in, and buying a dozen copies? That's just taking the piss.

H.B.M.C. wrote:This is what I said when 3rd Ed Hulk came out - the only logical choice for a Limited Release Fantasy-based game would be one where the game is self-contained.

The least illogical, anyway. Considering how much of the cost of plastic kits is overhead, anyone stupid enough to make them limited release instead of selling the damn things should be fired. Preferably out of a trebuchet.

AlexHolker wrote:The least illogical, anyway. Considering how much of the cost of plastic kits is overhead, anyone stupid enough to make them limited release instead of selling the damn things should be fired. Preferably out of a trebuchet.

Well I'm basing it upon the 3rd Ed Hulk business model (and I use the term 'business model' in the most generous manner possible). Anyway, I think that the reason 3rd Ed Hulk was a Ltd. Ed. release was because of the cost of printing all the cardboard components. If not for that, it might've hung around longer. The same would apply to Quest no doubt.

Though with Quest, they could arugably put the rules up online for download. You'd just have to make your own floor tiles.

No doubt the scalpers assisted Space Hulk in selling out reasonably quickly, but if you really wanted a copy, it was fairly easy to pick one up (provided you had a spare £60.00).

Reminds me, really must sell my spare copy on ebay...

I would love something, anything new for my beloved WE. Perhaps a plastic Tree man, that would be sweet but Im already useing the LOTR Ents for my Tree men.

i just found warhammer quest rules online and now i really want them to release this!

pick up a few hirst arts molds and make the quest floorboards. It's easy, you can make cool 3d stuff and have tons of fund and it's more resilient than cardboard. quest is a great game.

The "Warhammer Quest" niche is currently filled by "Descent" from Fantasy Flight Games.
http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_minisite_sec.asp?eidm=5&esem=2

Kroothawk wrote:The "Warhammer Quest" niche is currently filled by "Descent" from Fantasy Flight Games.
http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_minisite_sec.asp?eidm=5&esem=2

You could argue that the Space Hulk niche was filled by Doom when it came out.

Actually, I recommended Doom tiles to Space Hulk fans before it was rereleased.

John's got to be banned, a Dogs of War reference and he's not in the thread within 24hrs.


Regardless, Warhammer Quest is what I would dream over, after selling my two boxes and all the heroes five years ago (no, I don't know what I was thinking either) I'd be all over a Quest re-release.

Probably would want multiple boxes as well, well two. With my Skaven army coming together, I think I might have to do underground themed bases, just in case.

Kroothawk wrote:The "Warhammer Quest" niche is currently filled by "Descent" from Fantasy Flight Games.
http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_minisite_sec.asp?eidm=5&esem=2

Only vaguely... the character progression and between adventure sections aren't quite up to Quest's standards imo.

I'm with Morathi. For some reason I sold my copy a few years back too... now I wonder why.

I'm saying pretty much 100% this is going to be the new fortress rules. Yeah that is an old plastic kit, but that is all the more reason to update it IMO.

With such a strong rumour as that you barely have to read between the lines it pretty much says it all. New seige rules and large scale battle (a la apoc) inbound.

("If I'm allowed to wishlist I'd rather say Siege.") You're not

I interpreted this as a No.

Kroothawk wrote:

("If I'm allowed to wishlist I'd rather say Siege.") You're not

I interpreted this as a No.

He might just have been joking about Warseer's No Wishlisting rule.

Yeah probably joking about wishlisting on forums like dakkadakka and warseer hense the

Two more tidbits for this rumour:

Harry wrote:There isn't much to report (beyond the O&G which we did to death months ago) within the next six months.....

Elfboy wrote:We get something new and exciting this summer... a summer release that would be exciting for all the warhammer armies, and that this release was bringing back something from the past.

.... Except for this .... Which is quite exciting.

BramGaunt wrote:I heard that midsummer will feature a Warhammerexpansion with a ton of new miniatures for several different armies.

Bun Bun wrote:I've heard the same.

So they hear stuff, how exciting.

If a rumour is exciting for Harry and Hastings, it is for me. Period.

Something from the past and specifically warhammer related, but not siege...

I'm stumped

That thing from the past: General's Compendium? I can't see Warhammer Chronicles coming back, seeing as the originals were predominantly errata and Trial Rules (the former of which is now covered online, the latter either online or WD if made at all). An army doesn't seem probable to me, so that's gone too. If doing a lot of monsters this Summer, perhaps a release of some Monster supplement that has beasts multiple books can use? Sorta like the back of a few Old Edition (5th & older) books? Return things like Cockatrices and such.

is it the TROLLS games and tapes ?

Warhammer Quest WOULD get my money. Monsters would not. Well... MAYBE for my DE, since they can justify it, but it's hardly something appropriate for all armies.

Revamped Mordheim, also would get my money. In a biiiiiig way.

Warhammer Quest is the only 'thing from the past' that I think would appeal to ALL Warhammer players, but it isn't really Warhammer as such, so I'm not sure there...

Man O War would have broad appeal, but players of races with no nautical leanings (Wood Elves, Lizardmen) would be left out.

Monsters doesn't excite me in the slightest (I got the monster I wanted at the beginning of the month ) and it's only loosely 'from the past' because some of them haven't been seen for a while (Chimera, Cockatrice) as kits.

Mordheim is too limited to Old World races, so again the term 'all Warhammer players' wouldn't apply.

I did wonder Blood Bowl, but can you really see them releasing teams for all races?

Mighty Empires is A) not exciting (unless you have a large gaming group in which case, it's kind of fun) and B) already available.

Siege has been discounted.

Have I missed anything?

A scenario book not much unlike Battle Missions?

What about Dogs of War/Regiments of Renown? That would appeal to pretty much everyone (AFAIK, there was never a faction that didn't have access to SOMETHING), and would feature a ton of new models for everyone!

Anyway, I'm more excited about the possibility of new Ogres!

Bretonnians can't take Dogs of War so it isn't likely that.

I don't get why people want the Compendium back. There isn't anything in the original that can't be used currently for local play.

As far as I know it is still available if you look hard enough.

Some more tidbits:

Harry wrote:There is a 'Warhammerexpansion' in the summer. But I think "ha ton of new miniatures for several armies" might be over cooking it a bit.

BramGaunt wrote:Oh, maybe not a ton, I exaggerated a little on this one, I admit. "Some rather nice pieces, some of them expected for a long time" is what I was told exactly.

Besides:

Darnok wrote:

Druchii7 wrote:TK and OK seem to be next

I haven't heard anything about OK in 2011.

So ...

So...I guess that means that 40k is pretty screwed for major releases (not counting Grey Knights) this year right?

Doubt it. 40k and Fantasy both usually see 3 armybooks/codecies per year, plus in the summer one of the two usually sees a major release, like an expansion, new edition, etc. I'm a bit surprised, because Fantasy had 8th ed. last year, but I suppose it isn't unheard of for back-to-back summer releases.

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:John's got to be banned, a Dogs of War reference and he's not in the thread within 24hrs.

GW could revamp Dogs of War as "Warhammer Mercenaries", and it would be the right thing to do, but we know that ain't gonna happen any more than we'll get Chaos Dwarves or Squats back...

If it's not DoW, I couldn't care less at this point. I'm playing hardly any Fantasy, and not even bothering to follow the game any more.

If I want a medieval battles game, I'll play BattleLore, which is both more-realistic and smoother-playing than Fantasy, at a small fraction of the price.

chaos0xomega wrote:Doubt it. 40k and Fantasy both usually see 3 armybooks/codecies per year, plus in the summer one of the two usually sees a major release, like an expansion, new edition, etc. I'm a bit surprised, because Fantasy had 8th ed. last year, but I suppose it isn't unheard of for back-to-back summer releases.

2010. 1 Fantasy Armybook. 2 40K Codexes.

Warhammer monsters sounds good if it is true it could be great!!


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JohnHwangDD said: GW could revamp Dogs of War as "Warhammer Mercenaries", and it would be the right thing to do, but we know that ain't gonna happen any more than we'll get Chaos Dwarves or Squats back...

forge world have some choas dwarves lined up so you never know

UltraPrime wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:Doubt it. 40k and Fantasy both usually see 3 armybooks/codecies per year, plus in the summer one of the two usually sees a major release, like an expansion, new edition, etc. I'm a bit surprised, because Fantasy had 8th ed. last year, but I suppose it isn't unheard of for back-to-back summer releases.

2010. 1 Fantasy Armybook. 2 40K Codexes.

Will be probably 2 Codices (Grey Knights + X) and 2 army books (ORcs&Goblins plus TK) like most years. Been a long while with 3 each.

BTW my wishlisting would be terrain for all races, e.g. basic camp stuff as seen in Warhammer Online. Easy to do, already designed and enhancing gaming experience enormously.

And people wonder why sales are down...

Really, talk about how to NOT capitalize on the launch of a new edition of WFB!

Alpharius wrote:And people wonder why sales are down...

Really, talk about how to NOT capitalize on the launch of a new edition of WFB!

Precisely. We should have had IOB, the 8th ed book, and a new army book within 3 months, then another couple books at a good clip. Alas, it is not to be so.

If it were army specific terrain and accessories that would rock. Kinda tired of Empire being the only scenery out there.

I agree that GW's momentum on releases the last few years has been lacking.

What I don't get is this idea that books and models have to be released together. TK for example are 2 editions old and the hold up is most likely due to waiting for models to be finished.

From what I can tell, releasing secondary waves of models for armies well after their books are out has been successful.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:John's got to be banned, a Dogs of War reference and he's not in the thread within 24hrs.

GW could revamp Dogs of War as "Warhammer Mercenaries", and it would be the right thing to do, but we know that ain't gonna happen any more than we'll get Chaos Dwarves or Squats back...

If it's not DoW, I couldn't care less at this point. I'm playing hardly any Fantasy, and not even bothering to follow the game any more.

If I want a medieval battles game, I'll play BattleLore, which is both more-realistic and smoother-playing than Fantasy, at a small fraction of the price.

Warhammer Forge is doing Chaos Dwarves, so they haven't exactly been squatted.

2010. 1 Fantasy Armybook. 2 40K Codexes.

key word is usually. 2010 was an unusually slow year.

chaos0xomega wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:GW could revamp Dogs of War as "Warhammer Mercenaries", and it would be the right thing to do, but we know that ain't gonna happen any more than we'll get Chaos Dwarves or Squats back...

If it's not DoW, I couldn't care less at this point. I'm playing hardly any Fantasy, and not even bothering to follow the game any more.

If I want a medieval battles game, I'll play BattleLore, which is both more-realistic and smoother-playing than Fantasy, at a small fraction of the price.

Warhammer Forge is doing Chaos Dwarves, so they haven't exactly been squatted.

No Army Book, so yes they have.

Considering that Forgeworld doesn't even acknowledge squats, I would say that Chaos Dwarves have a good bit more life left in them.

Isn't it a 'you can mix all of chaos together' release I thought I saw somewhere on the main page?

Also I'm not liking the lack of WE support of the whole 'every army has a monster' approach that the might be starting to take.

JohnHwangDD wrote:No Army Book, so yes they have.

FW and GW are still fighting over who may do a complete Chaos Dwarf army book Seriously, CDs still have friends among the creative staff, Squats not so much.

Phototoxin wrote:Isn't it a 'you can mix all of chaos together' release I thought I saw somewhere on the main page?

This and Chaos Dwarfs are topics for the Warhammer Forge thread, not this one about the Warhammer expansion coming this summer.

Phototoxin wrote:Also I'm not liking the lack of WE support of the whole 'every army has a monster' approach that the might be starting to take.

Is a big arse walking tree not montrous enough for you? When GW finally swing round to WE again, I expect the treeman kit will be amazing.

Kroothawk wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:No Army Book, so yes they have.

FW and GW are still fighting over who may do a complete Chaos Dwarf army book Seriously, CDs still have friends among the creative staff, Squats not so much.

As of 8E, if you don't have a printed Army Book, you're not an "official" army. Ergo, CD are dead.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:GW could revamp Dogs of War as "Warhammer Mercenaries", and it would be the right thing to do, but we know that ain't gonna happen any more than we'll get Chaos Dwarves or Squats back...

If it's not DoW, I couldn't care less at this point. I'm playing hardly any Fantasy, and not even bothering to follow the game any more.

If I want a medieval battles game, I'll play BattleLore, which is both more-realistic and smoother-playing than Fantasy, at a small fraction of the price.

Warhammer Forge is doing Chaos Dwarves, so they haven't exactly been squatted.

No Army Book, so yes they have.

"Squatting" means they've been completely erased and forgotten, with nary a mention and with the GWQuisition breaking into your home and destroying your models as an example to the others.

The Chaos Dwarves have the Hellcannon entry, still exist in the background, and are in the line-up for FW to release several more complimentary units of Chaos Dwarf warmachines for the Warriors of Chaos.

They've far from been squatted.

Flashman wrote:

Phototoxin wrote:Also I'm not liking the lack of WE support of the whole 'every army has a monster' approach that the might be starting to take.

Is a big arse walking tree not montrous enough for you? When GW finally swing round to WE again, I expect the treeman kit will be amazing.

Aye, if any of the elves want for monsters it's the High Elves. Unless we're counting mounts, of course. In which case, hey, the Wood Elves also get their forest dragon-riding ladies.

Otherwise, there's still a fair few non-monstered-up armies - dwarves, Bretonnians, empire (unless counting the steam tank as one) and vampire counts (well, not in the gaming sense. I'm pretty sure vampires and their minions are considered monsters in a more general sense ). All of which I imagine are quite happy without them.

Of course, the lack of WE support in general (see also Brets, Tomb Kings etc.) is sad to see, and they'll hopefully get a rejig in the nearish future.

I hope the Bretonnians never really get monsters. It just doesn't fit for them. They kill off all the really dangerous beasties, and the most "monstery" they go is for Hippogryphons.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:No Army Book, so yes they have.

FW and GW are still fighting over who may do a complete Chaos Dwarf army book Seriously, CDs still have friends among the creative staff, Squats not so much.

As of 8E, if you don't have a printed Army Book, you're not an "official" army. Ergo, CD are dead.

Well, they even have a shiney new Indy GT legal army book

UltraPrime wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:Doubt it. 40k and Fantasy both usually see 3 armybooks/codecies per year, plus in the summer one of the two usually sees a major release, like an expansion, new edition, etc. I'm a bit surprised, because Fantasy had 8th ed. last year, but I suppose it isn't unheard of for back-to-back summer releases.

2010. 1 Fantasy Armybook. 2 40K Codexes.

There was three 40K codexes in 2010:

Tyranids - January
Blood Angels - April
Dark Eldar - November

40k averages 3 Codices per year, plus an "special" release of some sort. 40k has nothing to worry about.

Didnt the doggies get released last year too? Or was that late 09 I cant remember.

2 Codices 2009, 2.5 Codices 2008 (the half one is Daemons), 2 Codices 2007, 2 Codices 2006:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_%28Warhammer_40,000%29

Army books:
1 army book 20010, 2 army books 2009, 3.5 army books 2008 (half one is Daemons), 2 army books 2007, 1 army book 2006:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armies_of_Warhammer

Start to worry

I would seriously kill for the "mixing chaos in one army" rumour. I know it'll never happen, but hell, weirder things have happened (Dark Eldar and Grey Knights in the space of a year).

Anyway, Quest would be lovely.

And to settle the army book/codex thing: OnG and TK for Fantasy, GK and Necrons for 40k, I reckon.

Cerebrium wrote:I would seriously kill for the "mixing chaos in one army" rumour. I know it'll never happen, but hell, weirder things have happened (Dark Eldar and Grey Knights in the space of a year).

Anyway, Quest would be lovely.

And to settle the army book/codex thing: OnG and TK for Fantasy, GK and Necrons for 40k, I reckon.

Quest already exists, sort of, as in Fnatasy Flights board game Descent: Journey into darkness.

Cerebrium wrote:I would seriously kill for the "mixing chaos in one army" rumour. I know it'll never happen, but hell, weirder things have happened.

It is not a rumour: Warhammer Forge has confirmed that they will release a Chaos army list including all three fractions, but again: You are in the wrong thread as Warhammer Forge stuff and the confirmation is discussed here:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/342397.page

What about Warmaster?

Warhammer collectible card game !

Lord of battles wrote:What about Warmaster?

Warmaster is not a Warhammer extension, but a separate game, as are Mordheim and Heroquest/Warhammer Quest.

CURNOW wrote:Warhammer collectible card game !

... It would not surprise me.

Minsc wrote:

CURNOW wrote:Warhammer collectible card game !

... It would not surprise me.

There already is a awsome buildable card game done by Fantasy Flight Games called Warhammer Invasion!! No need for a collectiable card game.

C'mon guys!







Chainsaw Warrior! You all know it is due for a remake...

Ready handfuls of sodium chloride...

...I was in a GW today (not my local one, so if the evil GW management are reading this, don't go giving the Southampton store a hard time ) and the blueshirt mentioned that a GW bigwig had been at their store and said something about a Warhammer related boxed set. At this point I asked "Expansion or boxed set?" and he replied "Yeah, box set, maybe like Space Hulk."

Regrettably that is all.

I have to go with warhammer quest now!

Secondary starter box, featuring Orcs and Empire.

Warhammer Quest sounds nice, it would go nicely on the shelf with Space Hulk and Dust Tactics.

Warhammer Quest was fantastic back in the day, and I know it got a whole bunch of O&G armies started amongst my then gaming group (Burford, Oxon represent!)

GW have maintained that it's simply not feasible to release again, as the sheer amount of content that would be needed in the main box would become too expensive to produce and sell at a reasonable price (and that's the GW definition of 'reasonable price,' so who knows how bad it'd be in the real world)

I guess handing it off to FFG a la Space hulk or Horus Heresy might mitigate against that.

Personally, I hope the cryptic announcement is the return of Sumer Campaigns, just because I loved those.

FFG already offers a good and established Warhammer Quest clone called "Descent". Major money maker for FFG, no reason to release something almost identical under GW licence.

It would be interesting to release another version of the starter box to spread choices around. However, I would like campaign packs, those were fun back in the day, and with one order and one destruction army I can choose my side now.

Of course there's Advanced Heroquest and Talisman too..

Kroothawk wrote:FFG already offers a good and established Warhammer Quest clone called "Descent". Major money maker for FFG, no reason to release something almost identical under GW licence.

I dunno man. I played Descent, and whilst it is indeed Dungeony, it's simply nowhere near the 'WAHA!' factor of Quest.

Also, horrible rubbery plastic. Not my bag.

If Mantic beat them to the punch on a quest style game, I will laugh my ass off.

Mr Mystery wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:FFG already offers a good and established Warhammer Quest clone called "Descent". Major money maker for FFG, no reason to release something almost identical under GW licence.

I dunno man. I played Descent, and whilst it is indeed Dungeony, it's simply nowhere near the 'WAHA!' factor of Quest.

Also, horrible rubbery plastic. Not my bag.

I dont know what box set of descent you're talking about but mine are all hard and durable plastic plus the sculpts are awsome. As for it not having the aww factor of Quest I think it does and then some imho.

I don't want FFG to re-do Warhammer Quest. I want GW to re-do Warhammer Quest ala the Space Hulk re-release. With the current plastics technology it would be awesome.

It all comes down to whether GW would be willing to pay for printing that much cardstock and that many cards (event, dungeon, treasure, magic, etc.).

Will it be giant toadstool men?
They would make a wonderful platform for seige warfare.
If it isn't I bagsey the idea and claim all Intellectual Property rights and copyright and all that gubbins.

I will also make my own Giant Toadstool Men, but may need some help with the stats please.

Good grief I really want Giant Toadstool Men now!

H.B.M.C. wrote:I don't want FFG to re-do Warhammer Quest. I want GW to re-do Warhammer Quest ala the Space Hulk re-release. With the current plastics technology it would be awesome.

Given GW's superior marketing and distribution efforts, they will at best sell 1% of the quantities that Descent sells (and sell it for only one week). Descent is a bestseller for 5 years now, with 5 expansions, 15 metal miniatures and 2 accessories.

Maybe it's a Warhammer Fantasy movie made by Codex Pictures

Chaos Warrior?

TBD wrote:Maybe it's a Warhammer Fantasy movie made by Codex Pictures

NNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Da Boss wrote:If Mantic beat them to the punch on a quest style game, I will laugh my ass off.

Erm....why? Mantic as a company just don't have the market penetration that GW have? Indeed, whilst their price is good, the quality is simply not a match for GW's. No reason at this stage to believe it would be any different with their own game.

Maybe they get the distribution with the new introductory game for 26$ coming out in March
And with a GW 3000 point standard size army costing like 1000-2000$, people might switch to the 200$ solution.

Kroothawk wrote:
And with a GW 3000 point standard size army costing like 1000-2000$, people might switch to the 200$ solution.

I know I have and I wasn't even going to consider returning to fantasy until I saw the Mantic deals.

Mr Mystery wrote:

Da Boss wrote:If Mantic beat them to the punch on a quest style game, I will laugh my ass off.

Erm....why? Mantic as a company just don't have the market penetration that GW have? Indeed, whilst their price is good, the quality is simply not a match for GW's. No reason at this stage to believe it would be any different with their own game.

I'll laugh because GW have had literally years (decades?) to make a move on their WHQ franchise, and a new start up looks like it might get there first. I know mantic aren't original, but at least they see a demand and go for it.

I'll find the situation funny, and not because I am pro one company or another. I like both.

Some incoherent Warseer rumours about upcoming Fantasy releases:

Harry wrote:I know that a over year ago I knew for sure that Orcs and Goblins were the first fantasy release for 2011 and that by GD I knew that TK were the next and coming in the next 12 months .... (That is before Gamesday this year) but I confess I wasn't expecting them quite this soon. Right now I have no idea what is the next fantasy army after that. Their is so much stuff in the works for so many different armies that is difficult to make an accurate prediction about what is coming next and if it is just going to be a wave of models or the full miggins with a new book.

GodlessM wrote:And then Avian said it was Green people, then dead people, then fat people, and he got the first two spot on.

Darnok wrote:Sadly, I haven't heard anything about fat people at all - but the shiny people (aka Bretonnians) don't stand out on that front either. What we can expect though, and I think I share that opinion with Harry, is a lot of exciting stuff in the coming months. I do need to get my wizards painted, and I'm pretty sure I'll be tempted be both monsters and heroes at the same time.
Oh, and I paint some Nids too.

Elrond wrote:I guess I got a clue from a italian gw manager. It lets me think that the next AB after Khemri will be Bretonnia, released in july/august/september I guess.

Deathbysoup wrote:A little birdy told me its Bretonnia.

:sigh:

I play dwarves and VC. A monster release helps me not at all. Especially if they are merely models for Transformation of Kadon. Big effing yawn.

I want Warhammer Quest. The Descent tiles look far to busy. Mantic's King's Hold has some interesting mechanics. But I want a Space Hulk style re-release of Warhammer Quest please.

More rumours on this topic:

Captain Ventris wrote:On Topic however, I was told by a source that the forthcoming Warhammer Expansion won't be released till Next year, summer 2012 and would be something along the Lines of Warhammer Fortifications and will include a brand new plastic Castle set
I'm still waiting to see it pan out though, this particular source is as of yet untested (...)
its what I was told by a source within GW and I'm simply passing it along, its not like I said "This is what is happening, you are all wrong", I clearly stated it was what I was TOLD, and was not necessarily FACT

bluemage pointed out that this might conflict with rumours on a possible 6th edition 40k next year.

Ahh. Another push back to the now 5 year old rumor about the "Summer of Fantasy!" All very convenient.

6th ed 40k would fill me with a great and terrible rage, given that there are still 3rd and 4th ed books out there. Not to mention the fact that 5th ed seems to be pretty balanced over all. :sigh:

If 6th ed came out in 2012 that would only be 4 years between editions.. sorta soon Id think. Then again 5th ed was only 4 years after 4th ed, so who knows!

I like 5th ed except for wound allocation, true line of sight and mech spam (But vehicles are huge money makers for GW.. sooo)

All the quicker to sell new books my my dear!

Never mind the codices that are just getting some attention, only in time to become obsolete all over again!
All things being equal of course.

Chibi, damn your well founded cynicism!

Having read through the entire thread and the rumours posted, the only thing which I think can fit the criteria is Warhammer Quest.

A new release in the form of Space Hulk, some beautiful minis, a sell out and nice little wedge of cash in the pocket for GW.