Hey people ! Check out the Stormraven Gunship Hands on (WIP)



Also check out the sprue of the plastic Furioso Dreadnought





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Stormraven is awesome !!! And so is the plastic sprue for the Furioso since it allows you to create a Furioso librarian also !


Please don't ask how I got them (but I assure you it's my hands and my photos/video )

Would it have killed you to photograph it from the side?!?

Thanks for the pics and vids!

That spear is SICK.

Thanks for the pictures!

I concur with Scotty. That spear is pretty sweet!

Guess my 22k army isnt quite done yet :( 6 dreads isnt enough!@

Nice Dreadnought sized Nemesis Force Weapon.

Hmm, actually that first photo of the Stormraven has slightly altered my otherwise negative thoughts towards it

BrookM wrote:Nice Dreadnought sized Nemesis Force Weapon.

Gonna look sexy as a custodes dread

Alpharius wrote:Would it have killed you to photograph it from the side?!?

Although it does at least show the hypothesized front thrusters, and that the engines are actually connected to the fuselage...

Thanks bro I'm loving the looks of that furioso! I think I might buy one for my nefarious chaos purposes

I liked it from the original pic, and still do from this one!

I was peering at the Furioso sprue pics to see if any of the bits there look Grey-Knighty, but doesn't look like it.

Looks like that might be a servitor in the turret rather than a marine gunner?

Both look pretty nice, definitely time to plan my next purchases

Jack

The Stormraven looks very cool, anyone know anything about release dates?

the stormraven still looks like a brick :(

but all is forgiven with the dready :O my blood angels will be very happy indeed when I get a few of those kits

when do GW plan on releasing them?

can someone move these pics to the gallery?
The system we use here at work will not allow me to see these pics in a thread and I do not want to wait till I get home to my computer...
Argh!

Commodore Perry
The model of lack-of-patience

Aduro wrote:Looks like that might be a servitor in the turret rather than a marine gunner?

Yup servitor it is ! Good eye ! More photos soon guys

That picture made me like the Stormraven a lot more. And I can totally see a cool kitbash of the venerable chest and head pieces to make some sweet GK dreadnought goodness.

Stormraven still looks funny

Dread looks good though!

Valkyrie wrote:Hmm, actually that first photo of the Stormraven has slightly altered my otherwise negative thoughts towards it

Funnily, I'm in the same boat. Doesn't look too bad, does it?

(On another note... I wonder if GK will get Libby Dreads? )

The Furioso/Libby/deathco dread shall be mine!
So when?

Please take a pic from the side and rear of the StormRaven.
Maybe it is salvageable.

OMG the stormraven is worse than I thought,It's just so chubby ,If I need wings though I may get one, they don't look that bad

dreadnought looks good though

Still not liking the Stormraven. Furiso looks sweet though - I may have to get one, even though I don't play BA.

If the wings are removable, I might just throw them on a rhino and make another stormraven out of that

side, front and rear stormraven pics!!!
oh, and I am still calling it the stormpelican. If it looks as bad as that I will paint one grey with a yellow troop-carrying area . Seriously.

I like Chibihawk myself.

And I spy a Frag Cannon arm! WOOO!

Mr Mystery wrote:And I spy a Frag Cannon arm! WOOO!

What the... No negative comment? Who are you and what have you done with Mr Mystery?!

insaniak wrote:

Alpharius wrote:Would it have killed you to photograph it from the side?!?

Although it does at least show the hypothesized front thrusters, and that the engines are actually connected to the fuselage...

Yeah. Called it. I hope this "fixes" it for some people.

Personally, I love it even more now. I'm going to have trouble not buying any until the Grey Knights codex comes out.

Dreadnought kit looks great as well. I think I spot a Frag Assault Launcher!

Aduro wrote:

Mr Mystery wrote:And I spy a Frag Cannon arm! WOOO!

What the... No negative comment? Who are you and what have you done with Mr Mystery?!

As the actress whispered softly to the bishop...come again?

I am definitely getting those two...
one libby dread and two stormravens- It's an improvement, but any wor don release dates?

I'm sorry, but what's a frag cannon? I haven't looked at the BA codex, so I wouldn't know

Samus_aran115 wrote:I'm sorry, but what's a frag cannon? I haven't looked at the BA codex, so I wouldn't know

Kinda like an assault cannon flamer but no base AP

Woot! Thrusters in front called it! lol

Now I'm getting excited, the thrusters were going to be the only part not easily converted in my MajorTom pattern chibi-hawk...

Great news on all fronts, thanks for sharing man!

kenshin620 wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:I'm sorry, but what's a frag cannon? I haven't looked at the BA codex, so I wouldn't know

Kinda like an assault cannon flamer but no base AP

Yarr. Think Dreadnought scale double barrelled (I think?) shotgun....with rending.

Call that a boomstick? That's a BOOOOOOOOOOOOMstick!


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NERDGASM! I see the Beardyclaws as well!

Now, can anyone spot the magnagrapel?

Damn it! Just as i finish my plastic/resin hybrid they release plastic krack... damn you GW... you want more of my money :S

Oh... and a stormraven gunship.... might grab one.... if not for the fact i run a drop pod assult.

The Chibihawk still doesn't look any better. It still appears to have no rear super-structure, with the tail and wings sitting out in space with only the smallest of connection points.

The BA Dread is wonderful though. A front chest piece for regular BA, Death Company and Librarian is a very nice touch. I wonder how hard it'll be to carve off all the Blood Angel symbols...

What type of doors does it take?

I would assume Landraider sized, as that way GW can release the Redeemer/Crusader Sprue as an upgrade, allowing people to equip it with Hurricaine Bolters.

Provided they don't come in the kit. And even if they do, it's probably a lot cheaper to include an existing design in a new mould, than to mould from scratch.

I just noticed that none of this stuff is grey-knighty just yet... thought the rumors were pointing towards joint kits??

Well I doubt the 'Furioso Dreadnought' kit would have any GK bits in it, and the only icon I can see on the Chibihawk is an Aquila, so that's non-BA specific.

I'm pretty sure it comes with BA icons, as in the original pic. I'm pretty sure those icons aren't FW... Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Still, just commenting on where the rumors went screwie then! lol

Mr Mystery wrote:I would assume Landraider sized, as that way GW can release the Redeemer/Crusader Sprue as an upgrade, allowing people to equip it with Hurricaine Bolters.

Provided they don't come in the kit. And even if they do, it's probably a lot cheaper to include an existing design in a new mould, than to mould from scratch.

Thats cool... "First Claw embark!"

To be fair, the Stormraven isnt finished. I am liking it more, but I want to see it with the front cockpit on.

And the Furiosos kit will be my first dreadnought purchase.

Getting at least 2 of each. I like the storm raven due to its customization possibilities

Ah, thanks. That sounds pretty cool

I'm really hoping that when CSM get re-released we get a kit for that pre-heresy thunderhawk....What's it called.....I forget I can almost guarantee the next vanilla codex will get the SR, so I'm sure every codex will have something like it soon.

(Dreaming of chinorks )

Samus_aran115 wrote:Ah, thanks. That sounds pretty cool

I'm really hoping that when CSM get re-released we get a kit for that pre-heresy thunderhawk....What's it called.....I forget I can almost guarantee the next vanilla codex will get the SR, so I'm sure every codex will have something like it soon.

(Dreaming of chinorks )

StormBird?

I think thats what they called it.

Mr Mystery wrote:

Aduro wrote:

Mr Mystery wrote:And I spy a Frag Cannon arm! WOOO!

What the... No negative comment? Who are you and what have you done with Mr Mystery?!

As the actress whispered softly to the bishop...come again?

Yeah really!

The Mr Mystery we all know and... know... is a BIG GW fan...

As for the Stormraven - I'm liking it a LOT more now!

Samus_aran115 wrote:Ah, thanks. That sounds pretty cool

I'm really hoping that when CSM get re-released we get a kit for that pre-heresy thunderhawk....What's it called.....I forget I can almost guarantee the next vanilla codex will get the SR, so I'm sure every codex will have something like it soon.

(Dreaming of chinorks )

You do realize that the Stormbird was bigger than the Thunderhawk, yeah?

Kanluwen wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:Ah, thanks. That sounds pretty cool

I'm really hoping that when CSM get re-released we get a kit for that pre-heresy thunderhawk....What's it called.....I forget I can almost guarantee the next vanilla codex will get the SR, so I'm sure every codex will have something like it soon.

(Dreaming of chinorks )

You do realize that the Stormbird was bigger than the Thunderhawk, yeah?

But they could get Hell Talons

I'm not impressed with the Stormraven. There's a lot of conversions/kitbashes/scratchbuilt ones that look better.

Happygrunt wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:Ah, thanks. That sounds pretty cool

I'm really hoping that when CSM get re-released we get a kit for that pre-heresy thunderhawk....What's it called.....I forget I can almost guarantee the next vanilla codex will get the SR, so I'm sure every codex will have something like it soon.

(Dreaming of chinorks )

You do realize that the Stormbird was bigger than the Thunderhawk, yeah?

But they could get Hell Talons

Hell talons/ those fancy pods yes, but never a Stormbird, that thing could hold a WHOLE COMPANY of marines inside it

Kanluwen wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:Ah, thanks. That sounds pretty cool

I'm really hoping that when CSM get re-released we get a kit for that pre-heresy thunderhawk....What's it called.....I forget I can almost guarantee the next vanilla codex will get the SR, so I'm sure every codex will have something like it soon.

(Dreaming of chinorks )

You do realize that the Stormbird was bigger than the Thunderhawk, yeah?

Really? Never mind then Give us something new. Stormbird is a stoopid name anyway

I believe it was called the blizzard-chicken.

insaniak wrote:

Alpharius wrote:Would it have killed you to photograph it from the side?!?

Although it does at least show the hypothesized front thrusters, and that the engines are actually connected to the fuselage...

MajorTom11 wrote:Woot! Thrusters in front called it! lol

Now I'm getting excited, the thrusters were going to be the only part not easily converted in my MajorTom pattern chibi-hawk...

Great news on all fronts, thanks for sharing man!

BWAHAHAHAHA Called it!!!!

now technically it doesn't even need wings to fly.... the wings only help with the back two engines in keeping it stable



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now... does the stormraven have any specific BA icons on it?

same with the dread (the librarian parts at least, the regular and DC defiantly have BA marks on them)

I've uploaded them both to the gallery, thanks for sharing!

http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/168281-Furioso%20Dread%20sprue.html?m=2

http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/168280-New%20Storm%20Raven.html?m=2

It may not be a great model, but it opens tons of doors for converting to make it even better.

Cool stuff. Thanks for sharing.

I notice 2 things when I look at the OP.

1.) The Furioso is covered in Blood Angel iconography.

2.) The Stormraven is not.

Coincidence? I think not. Grey Knights are on the horizon!

I am pretty sure this kit will be easily kitbashed with ven dread kit. Will just have to be careful trimming the front shoulders off. I will definitely be throwing this kit on some ironclad legs for more umph. Libby dread needs to look like the baddest dread on the field.

The Furioso will be terrific for Chaos Dreadnought conversions with two DCCW. Great sprue, lots of good parts on it.

BrassScorpion wrote:The Furioso will be terrific for Chaos Dreadnought conversions with two DCCW. Great sprue, lots of good parts on it.

I hope so! The venerable turned out to be awful for chaos conversions, so I'm hoping this one will be better Unfortunately, there's no plasma cannon arm! How can you have a chaos dreadnought without a plasma cannon?

Pantso wrote:Hey people ! Check out the Stormraven Gunship Hands on (WIP)

any idea on what weapons are included in the kit? can you add in all the options like hurricane bolters, missles, meltas, etc.?


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also, what size base does it come on? large flight or valkyrie sized? thanks for posting the pics! it's still ugly as sin but hopefully we'll get a bit more info about the kit.

Kyoto, thanks for uploading the pics to the Gallery. :-)

The Furioso/Librarian sprue looks to be all we could have hoped for - I guess that spells the end for the Furioso I was building!

The Stormraven definitely looks better than that initial photo suggested it would. The wings seem to be properly anchored, and it's wider than I thought. It's still not clear what's going on with the tail; it looks to me as though there is a flat section that extends from the upper fuselage at the back. This probably houses whatever holds the Dread in place. The tail seems to sit on top of that. I think the tail may now be the main issue with the design; I'd be tempted to re-model it as a flat 'T' shape instead of a 'Y'.

I'm still converting the stormraven to have no giant vent or lascannon turret, and swapping the LC turret for the razorback LC turret.
changes they've made from the "leaked" pic:
SM gunner- servitor
BA iconography- no BA iconography
engine closer to the hull
wider (?)

I doubt any changes have been made, Shrike - this one just isn't fully constructed yet.

I know, just saying what differences I can see so far.

shrike wrote:I know, just saying what differences I can see so far.

Except the gunner was never actually seen in the original photo('cept for a small bit of an unhelmeted head), iconography was pretty much guaranteed to be something easily fixed, and the engines being "away from the hull" was likely something that was caused by the terrible angle of the photo.

both look awesome, I will have to pick up that Dread

\m/

Well, either a giant is holding the Stormraven or my previous sense of scale was way off. It looks much smaller than I expected (and better as well).

POST PICS!!!
pwetty pwease!!!

I hope so! The venerable turned out to be awful for chaos conversions,

The Ironclad is currently probably the best for Chaos conversions, that and the original Dread kit if you don't need two CCW.

That sprue pic of the Furioso is good enough to see that it contains lots of good looking CCW options. The Blood Talons arms and claws should also work well for Chaos conversions.

Dread is sweet but the stormraven is very very meh. Now someone needs to get pics of the Voidraven bomber!

Any chance of a pic of the turret on top of a rhino? I'd like to know if it has any possibility for razorback conversions like the second ed one.

on the GW preview page of the day, they have the pic below for the minotaurs. is that some new FW hurricane bolter on the dread on the left or a kitbash of something else?? i didn't see anything on the furioso sprue pic that resembles it.

It's a FW varient that has a command rule, and 2 twin linked HBs on each side.

He meant the Dread, not the Land Raider.

BrookM wrote:He meant the Dread, not the Land Raider.

lol, i don't think i even mentioned the LR in my post.

warboss wrote:on the GW preview page of the day, they have the pic below for the minotaurs. is that some new FW hurricane bolter on the dread on the left or a kitbash of something else?? i didn't see anything on the furioso sprue pic that resembles it.

note the eldar titan in the background...
I have several questions about that pic:
a) when is the titan coming out?
b) why is there a LR redeemer in a heresy-era army?
c) when are those sweet terminators coming out in the forground?

Minotaurs are a not a first founding legion....That is no heresy era army.

BrassScorpion wrote:

I hope so! The venerable turned out to be awful for chaos conversions,

The Ironclad is currently probably the best for Chaos conversions, that and the original Dread kit if you don't need two CCW.

That sprue pic of the Furioso is good enough to see that it contains lots of good looking CCW options. The Blood Talons arms and claws should also work well for Chaos conversions.

Yeah, I agree. Lots of flat places to put MOAR SPIEKS The blood talons should be great, especially if they come in all those pieces. I know a lot of people will be swapping those on standard dreadnoughts.

But I'll hold off on converting a chaos dread. All this talk of "New and improved plastic molding techniques" has got me excited for a dedicated kit for the CDread. An raptors too

Also note the other army on the background and the little guy behind the phantom

a)soon, imperial armour 11, maby 12
b)that's the inqusition/grey knight redeemer
c)dunno but they look cool

The dreadnought sprues look pretty decent there. Loving all the weapon options on it & what looks like a sarcophagus with a psychic hood.

The storm raven sadly while looking better than the previous picture, still looks ugly & the angle of the shot is just hiding its worst features which you will still see from any other viewpoint.

Woahwoahwoah, look at those terminators in the foreground! Are those nemesis force weapons? Me thinks those are new GKs

Yeah, and look at that silver army on the back right! Looks like GK to me!

Samus_aran115 wrote:Woahwoahwoah, look at those terminators in the foreground! Are those nemesis force weapons? Me thinks those are new GKs

Yeah, and look at that silver army on the back right! Looks like GK to me!

I really hope you're joking.

The "power weapons" on those Terminators in the Minotaurs bit are just modified versions of the current, metal NFWs.

The "silver army on the back right" is Mark Bedford's Astral Claws(who have a silver and blue paint scheme) army.

shrike wrote:c) when are those sweet terminators coming out in the forground?

I got there first.

Kanluwen wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:Woahwoahwoah, look at those terminators in the foreground! Are those nemesis force weapons? Me thinks those are new GKs

Yeah, and look at that silver army on the back right! Looks like GK to me!

I really hope you're joking.

The "power weapons" on those Terminators in the Minotaurs bit are just modified versions of the current, metal NFWs.

The "silver army on the back right" is Mark Bedford's Astral Claws(who have a silver and blue paint scheme) army.

Yes, I'm joking

Phew, Samus. You had me worried for a second there

Yeah, I was trying to start a "Huh? Really? Wow!!!eleven!" sort of thing

Aduro wrote:Looks like that might be a servitor in the turret rather than a marine gunner?

I noticed that right away, too.

Good Help us the Storm Raven still looks bad.
But the Fursio looks AWESOME!

BrookM wrote:Nice Dreadnought sized Nemesis Force Weapon.

Just what I used, the FW Dread NFW.

I'm getting two of each- a dread for my BA libby dread, another for my GK dread, a stormpelican for my BA and another for my GK.

The army is for the Badab War

oh my god i am so excited 3 of each please that will do cheers
loving the three sarcophagus and the over sized force weapon
it all looks good, even the raven looks a lot bulkier than the original pic!!

Valkyrie wrote:Hmm, actually that first photo of the Stormraven has slightly altered my otherwise negative thoughts towards it

Agreed...might be kinda cool after all.

so im going to end up buying 2 of each kit....

me too...and I wanted to do DKoK, too...DAMN YOU GW!!!

The Stormraven still doesn't work for me. That is a better angle, but I am still incapable of accepting the proportions.

The Dread kit, blurry as the picture is (thanks, though!), looks like it is loaded with great looking options. All over that one. Now I'll get a Librarian Dread to go with a Chaplain Dread.

Hmm the new dread reminds me, when they update the dark angels would this mean theres a good chance of a mortis dread kit? Complete with twin linked autocannons for everyone else

Aweosme! Now that I have finally seen it from another angle (other than the leaked photo of the model at a obscure angle) --I love it! Cant wait to get a few into the BA army.

Anyone know what they are going to cost?

probably £26 and £35 respectively.

kenshin620 wrote:Hmm the new dread reminds me, when they update the dark angels would this mean theres a good chance of a mortis dread kit? Complete with twin linked autocannons for everyone else

I'd settle for Ravenwing that are actually, you know, Ravenwing. And not just Black Bikes. Not terribly impressed with the current Dark Angel book in the modern day.

Have you ever got the £12 DA upgrade kit? That isn't too shabby- 10 marines in it...
but now GW's replaced it so you only get 5...
still a good deal...

Mr Mystery wrote:

kenshin620 wrote:Hmm the new dread reminds me, when they update the dark angels would this mean theres a good chance of a mortis dread kit? Complete with twin linked autocannons for everyone else

I'd settle for Ravenwing that are actually, you know, Ravenwing. And not just Black Bikes. Not terribly impressed with the current Dark Angel book in the modern day.

I hate to break it to you...but that's really all the Ravenwing are, if you don't include them being "skillful bikers" and also "trained to work with the Scout Company to seek out the Fallen".

The second one is a player decision whether or not to follow, and the skillful biker bit...well, most races lost their equivalent to that, didn't they?

Kanluwen wrote:I hate to break it to you...but that's really all the Ravenwing are, if you don't include them being "skillful bikers" and also "trained to work with the Scout Company to seek out the Fallen". The second one is a player decision whether or not to follow, and the skillful biker bit...well, most races lost their equivalent to that, didn't they?

Telling people what they can and can't have again Kan.

I think most DA players would love to be able to play their Ravenwing and have some benefit for doing so and not have to bring the same special character to every game in order to do so.

It's not so much that.

In 2nd Edition (yeah I know, rose tint my world and all that!) Ravenwing were awesome hard for the enemy to hit (the faster you moved back then, the harder you were to hit. Ravenwing got an additional -1 on top!) and didn't suffer the same in return.

Plus their's were the only Landspeeders to have Heavy Bolter and Assault Cannon, an awesome combination which gave them a very different operational role to non-Ravenwing Speeders etc.

Where are the unique DA tanks? Where are the unique DA units? I know I'm sounding like a petulant brat but seriously, where are they?

Yeah, DA really deserve to have the Ares in the codex. It's an amazing tank. They need a lot of things, really

Mr Mystery wrote:It's not so much that.

It is. Kan is an extreme absolutist and is often quite belligerent in the black-and-white manner that he tells people what they can and cannot have in their games. That's why we call him WRONGBADFUN.

But yes, I do get what you're saying about 2nd Ed Ravewing (I to have the Angels of Death Codex and remember them quite well, with their 'Jink' rules, and so on). The current DA Codex is bland-city. It's why the verb 'Jervised' exists. It was the start of the dreaded Jervis-Era that claimed a number of armies (Chaos included) and relegated them to bland dullness for years to come (only the Orks make it out unscathed).

I'd just love to see Dark Angel players get their Ravenwing armies back, sans a mandatory Special Character, and with some rules that say "Hey! We're the most awesome super-bikers around!". Even something simple like "Jink - All Ravenwing units have a 6+ Invulnerable save to represent their skill in movement. If the unit already has an Invulnerable Save, increase it by +1. Additionally, all Ravenwing Bikers have the Skilled Rider USR.". And then make 'em 5 or so points more expensive (per bike) than a normal Marine Bike. Done. Takes up a page in the book. Really not difficult. You could do a similar thing for Deathwing as well.



But anyway, that's really not what this thread's about. So I'm going to leave it there and jump back on topic:

Plastic Furioso Dread - Awesomesauce.
Chibi-Hawk - Still goofy and dumb looking.

The Jink save was alright in 3rd Ed. 6+ seems a little pointless, but always better than nothing.

I just want to see uniquely DA stuff. Fearless Terminators just don't cut it for me I'm afraid. My brother and I have a couple of full companies of Dark Angels, and right now I'm just very 'meh' about them. Don't get me wrong, it's not that the book is unplayable, it's not. But it is distinctly uninspiring.

Usually, I find the whole 'lulz moar mareenz but grey/red/lulz' argument a tad false, as the charactered Chapters do work differently on the board. But in the case of Dark Angels, it's sadly entirely justified. Which is a real shame.

Wait - Dark Angels are getting a revised codex soon, and they'll get a Furioso and a Stormraven too?

Erm....I don't think so?

Alpha's just messin' with ya Mystery.

And also subtlety nudging us back OT.

Alpharius wrote:Wait - Dark Angels are getting a revised codex soon, and they'll get a Furioso and a Stormraven too?

No, I'm sorry I made an assumption based on plastic dreadnought releases

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Mr Mystery wrote:It's not so much that.

It is. Kan is an extreme absolutist and is often quite belligerent in the black-and-white manner that he tells people what they can and cannot have in their games. That's why we call him WRONGBADFUN.

I didn't say "can't have". So stop putting words in my mouth and start actually reading posts before trying to call me out with your standard crap.
I said that "If you don't include the skillful bikers bit and being trained to work with the Scout Company to seek out the Fallen, the Ravenwing are just Black Bikes". Which is 100% true.
But you'd know that if you read it, FAILSTOREADPOSTS.

But yes, I do get what you're saying about 2nd Ed Ravewing (I too have the Angels of Death Codex and remember them quite well, with their 'Jink' rules, and so on). The current DA Codex is bland-city. It's why the verb 'Jervised' exists. It was the start of the dreaded Jervis-Era that claimed a number of armies (Chaos included) and relegated them to bland dullness for years to come (only the Orks make it out unscathed).

You mean the "dreaded Jervis-era" that really impacted all of two Codices? Chaos and Dark Angels were the only ones who really had the "flavor" gutted from them in favor of simplification.

I'd just love to see Dark Angel players get their Ravenwing armies back, sans a mandatory Special Character

That's not happening, and you and I both know why. Powergamers ruin everything for everyone, especially when it comes to fluff for weirdly organized forces like the Ravenwing and Deathwing.

and with some rules that say "Hey! We're the most awesome super-bikers around!". Even something simple like "Jink - All Ravenwing units have a 6+ Invulnerable save to represent their skill in movement. If the unit already has an Invulnerable Save, increase it by +1. Additionally, all Ravenwing Bikers have the Skilled Rider USR.". And then make 'em 5 or so points more expensive (per bike) than a normal Marine Bike. Done. Takes up a page in the book. Really not difficult. You could do a similar thing for Deathwing as well.

Well, see the problem is the fluff has slightly evolved in regards to the Ravenwing. They've gone from just being "the forward advance" of a Dark Angels force, where they'd strike hard and strike fast paving the way for the main assault and setting up Deathwing Teleport Assaults, to being the "speartip" of the Dark Angels'(and the other Unforgiven Chapters) hunt for the Fallen. Ravenwing no longer just harass the enemy...they take them on, head first.
They take to the field with Chapter Veterans and the Scout Company's best Scouts to isolate, capture, and extract with the Fallen or someone who knows the location of a Fallen.

Basically: They're not "just the most awesome super-bikers around!" anymore. They're the Unforgiven's SpecOps.

The Deathwing have also taken an evolutionary step from just "They're superveterans always wearing Terminator armors!". They're now more akin to the Unforgiven's "Repentant Knights". They're the best and brightest of the Unforgiven Chapters bearing the weight of the world upon their shoulders, with the knowledge of as much of the full story of the Fall of Caliban as any Chapter Master save Azrael and determined to make the Fallen repent and clear the perceived blemish upon their honor.

In both cases...those are things that are slightly hard to represent outside of story narratives and campaign rules, wouldn't you agree?

Mr Mystery wrote:Where are the unique DA tanks? Where are the unique DA units?

The tanks bit is a bit annoying, yes. The Ares, Damocles, and more would all be flavorful...and more importantly fun for a Dark Angels force.

The unique Dark Angels unit bit, I can't actually really think of anything they have that's "signature" that isn't already in.
Maybe the "Ravenwing Scout" units? Pathfinders mounted in Land Speeder Storms that use the disarray stirred up by the main Ravenwing assault to grab a target?
But that goes back to the "slightly hard to represent outside of story narratives and campaign rules" bit.

I just want to see uniquely DA stuff. Fearless Terminators just don't cut it for me I'm afraid. My brother and I have a couple of full companies of Dark Angels, and right now I'm just very 'meh' about them. Don't get me wrong, it's not that the book is unplayable, it's not. But it is distinctly uninspiring.

Agreed. It's disgusting that it's easier, and more characterful, to represent a Deathwing force using the Space Wolf Codex.

Usually, I find the whole 'lulz moar mareenz but grey/red/lulz' argument a tad false, as the charactered Chapters do work differently on the board. But in the case of Dark Angels, it's sadly entirely justified. Which is a real shame.

Well, I think part of the problem is just that if you removed the "Unforgiven" aspect, they're just a slightly divergent Codex Chapter.

They need a bit more fleshing out in that regards and a radical rethink in how the Fallen could be implemented again.

Alpharius wrote:Wait - Dark Angels are getting a revised codex soon, and they'll get a Furioso and a Stormraven too?

I hope they get a revised Codex soon.
I don't think they'll get a Furioso though. Stormraven is likely, and thematically would work fantastic with the Ravenwing/Ironwing.

If they bring the Mortis Dreadnought in, I'll just about die of shock.

Stormraven still blows...

I see myslef replacing my dreadnoughts in the near future though... damn you GW... Damn you.


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BTW... Flesh Tearers... not blood angels. Bunch of pretty boys.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Alpha's just messin' with ya Mystery.

And also subtlety nudging us back OT.

All least ONE person got it!

But seriously guys, back OT, OK?

I wonder how long until the standard Dread kit is replaced and retired. I mean, it's a bit poop now, compared to the Ven and the Furioso.

Even when it was a pound cheaper, I still urged my customers to get the Ven, seeing as it was simply a far superior kit!

I still want to know if those wings come off

Mr Mystery wrote:Even when it was a pound cheaper, I still urged my customers to get the Ven, seeing as it was simply a far superior kit!

Redone, or a new weapon sprue added? Remember that making plastic moulds isn't what you'd describe as 'cheap'. If they're re-cutting it just to add new stuff, it might be cheaper to make a new 'weapon' sprue that gives a bunch more weapons, maybe an extra sarcophagus or two, and the basic Dread stays as is. It'd be a bit like when they added the new (now gone) accessory sprue to all the previous Guard vehicles. It would also allow them to jack up the price, and we know how much GW loves excuses to raise prices!!!


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Samus_aran115 wrote:I still want to know if those wings come off

What an odd question. I'd suspect that you don't have to put them on in the first place.

I'm putting them on a rhino. I swear I'll do it xD

Ye of little imagination.

Put them on a Basilisk.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Ye of little imagination.

Put them on a Basilisk.

In all seriousness, I'm pretty sure I could use that chibihawk as a proxy predator or something if I tore the wings off

I am finding my self agreeing with Kan. DA need something to make them unique and interesting. Other wise you could just play C:SM with mostly plasma guns.

Back on Topic, Dose anyone know if they are going to have all the weapon options in the StormRaven kit. Or just how many sprues there are?

AND WE WANT SIDE PICS!!!

Dreadnought is good .

Chibihawk is...cute. And little. Almost makes me want to pet it. No, who am I kidding. It still looks goofy.

I imagine the models should be put together by now. Pics shouldn't be hard to come by. Please put them up. Please?:(

I'm starting to think that a) this isn't him, or b) He's dead.
If it was him and he's reading this, surely he could POST SOME MORE PICS!!!
That or surely he hasn't been reading the requests of just about everyone on here.
POST SOME SIDE AND REAR PICTURES ALREADY!!!

That pic...taken in reception of GW, just by the stairs.

I'm not convinced it's actualy his own model....

"I assure you it's my hands and my photos/video"
BURN HIM! PURGE!!!
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AKA: This means I not convinced.

Mr Mystery wrote:That pic...taken in reception of GW, just by the stairs.

I'm not convinced it's actually his own model....

He never actually said it's "his own model". He said that "it's in his hands" and that it's "his photos, but don't ask how I got them".

Neither did I. Just clearing up for some other folks.

Hope he's not a GW employee, this could well cost him his job. I may or may not be speaking from the same thing almost happening to me.

Doesn't look like a GW store, maybe an FLGS?

Head Office...main reception.

I know that area well!

Mr Mystery wrote:Head Office...main reception.

I know that area well!

WHO ARE YOU?????//??/?

Your name suits you well, mystery man

Samus_aran115 wrote:

Mr Mystery wrote:Head Office...main reception.

I know that area well!

WHO ARE YOU?????//??/?

Your name suits you well, mystery man

maby, just maby, he's Jervis

Ugh, just realized. GW is more savy than we anticipated. They are using viral marketing on us and we didn't see it. Some chap in headquarters wouldn't be standing out in the opening holding this stuff taking pics without permission.

Samus_aran115 wrote:

Mr Mystery wrote:Head Office...main reception.

I know that area well!

WHO ARE YOU?????//??/?

Your name suits you well, mystery man

I'm just a spod that used to work for them, who wound up on the Managers Course instead of opting for redundancy, winding up redundant after I promptly failed said course!

I'm no one special! Promise!

FM Ninja 048 wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:

Mr Mystery wrote:Head Office...main reception.

I know that area well!

WHO ARE YOU?????//??/?

Your name suits you well, mystery man

maby, just maby, he's Jervis

No need for personal attacks now...

Actually it might not be the GW Head Office.

Door in the Storm Raven pic is all wrong.

CURSES!

jspyd3rx wrote:Ugh, just realized. GW is more savy than we anticipated. They are using viral marketing on us and we didn't see it. Some chap in headquarters wouldn't be standing out in the opening holding this stuff taking pics without permission.

Maybe they're just trying to get the 'rats' fired Placing obvious bait like that :3 You never know what really goes on at GW HQ....

And hey, lay off Jervis! Was jammy enough to have him host an imromptu seminar all about 8th Edition Fantasy this year. Once I'd finished suffering from my Bugman's Curry (seriously hot!) I hightailed it to the gaming hall just in time!

He's a good bloke!

Mr Mystery wrote:And hey, lay off Jervis! Was jammy enough to have him host an imromptu seminar all about 8th Edition Fantasy this year. Once I'd finished suffering from my Bugman's Curry (seriously hot!) I hightailed it to the gaming hall just in time!

He's a good bloke!

Good =/= bloke

You're either one or the other

Why the feth does this deserve termination, that's what I want to know. If anything the stormraven pic helps them, because their real blunder a couple months ago had everyone burying the model before it was even released. The more angles we get the better.

He's a good bloke!

Oh yeah, he's all well and good...when he isn't ruining your armies by making them bland, boring, and uncompetitive.

Oooh you sexist little strumpet!

Mr Mystery wrote:And hey, lay off Jervis! Was jammy enough to have him host an imromptu seminar all about 8th Edition Fantasy this year. Once I'd finished suffering from my Bugman's Curry (seriously hot!) I hightailed it to the gaming hall just in time!

He's a good bloke!

that's flashman who's saying that, it was all him, I like Jervis (a bit)

and two days in and already giving/atending seminars, now THATS dedication

I think I might know who you are sir....

Nothing is going to change how awful that StormRaven looks. I will laugh hysterically the first time I see one on the table.

Sidstyler wrote:Why the feth does this deserve termination, that's what I want to know. If anything the stormraven pic helps them, because their real blunder a couple months ago had everyone burying the model before it was even released. The more angles we get the better.

He's a good bloke!

Oh yeah, he's all well and good...when he isn't ruining your armies by making them neat, fun, and competitive.

Fixed that for you.

Mr Mystery wrote:I think I might know who you are sir....

Samus_aran115 wrote:Fixed that for you.

lmao, yeah, sure you did.

Sidstyler wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:Fixed that for you.

lmao, yeah, sure you did.

Oh god, my sweet sweet chaos codex. All this at the hands of one man....gav thorpe

Rymafyr wrote:Nothing is going to change how awful that StormRaven looks. I will laugh hysterically the first time I see one on the table.

Before or after whatever is inside pancakes you?

I laughed when I saw it. Just give me a Valkriye and I will make a Storm Raven.

Samus_aran115 wrote:Fixed that for you.

The Dark Angel and Chaos Marine players in the world disagree with you...

Alpharius wrote:

Rymafyr wrote:Nothing is going to change how awful that StormRaven looks. I will laugh hysterically the first time I see one on the table.

Before or after whatever is inside pancakes you?

Indeed. I will also be making it my personal mission in life to make a pretty version of that s.o.b with minimal converting. Mark my words. The MajorTom pattern Chibi-hawk will be a reality, with stc's for all!

*cue 2 minute long dr.evil laugh that trails off into awkward obscurity. Then cue a 1 minute long dr.evil laugh for gaks'n'gigs'

Only, perhaps, this time Tom we don't get in contact with Chapterhoue to make copies of it for us.

Samus_aran115 wrote:

Sidstyler wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:Fixed that for you.

lmao, yeah, sure you did.

Oh god, my sweet sweet chaos codex. All this at the hands of one man....gav thorpe

Dark Angels are in the same boat, and Jervis' name is all over that one IIRC. So they're both donkey-caves.

And since DA came out first it can be argued that CSM is his fault, too, because he started the whole "bland, boring, and sucky" philosophy and Gav followed suit.


Also, love all these guys claiming they will "laugh hysterically" the first time they see a stormraven on the table. I hope the owner rightfully punches you in the mouth for being a douchebag.

The Stormraven looks a bit better than to begin with with, but I still don't like it. The Furioso looks great though- If only I collected BA....

For people absolutely hating the GW Storm Raven, here is a non-GW alternative that I just found, by Mythicast (Resin, 89$!):
http://mythicast.com/?page_id=4#ecwid:category=0&mode=product&product=1220549

Kroothawk wrote:For people absolutely hating the GW Storm Raven, here is a non-GW alternative that I just found, by Mythicast (Resin, 89$!):
http://mythicast.com/?page_id=4#ecwid:category=0&mode=product&product=1220549

i didn't think it was possible but i've just been proven wrong about GW's version... you apparently CAN build a storm raven uglier than the official one. : ( is that for use in warhammer 40,000 or warhammer 1932? it looks like something straight out of that old fasa midwar air pirate game with the big airship at gencon for scenery.

good job finding an alternate, though.

Meh... nothing great but not horrible either. Again though, how does that thing carry a dread?

warboss wrote:
is that for use in warhammer 40,000 or warhammer 1932? it looks like something straight out of that old fasa midwar air pirate game with the big airship at gencon for scenery.

I think it fits perfectly in 40k...it would make a great fighta-bomba for orks

Jack

@Warboss
Hahaha! Warhammer 1932, good one!

Samus_aran115 wrote:

Mr Mystery wrote:Head Office...main reception.

I know that area well!

WHO ARE YOU?????//??/?

Your name suits you well, mystery man

He's Mr Mystery.

I think he might be Mista Noo Yawk posting under an alias.


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Sidstyler wrote:Why the feth does this deserve termination, that's what I want to know. If anything the stormraven pic helps them, because their real blunder a couple months ago had everyone burying the model before it was even released. The more angles we get the better.

Because releasing a costy new product is a carefully planned event and leaked photos lead to people jumping to conclusions.

I was, and still am on the fence about buying the SR kit and biting the bullet of fielding a flying out-house, or taking the time to convert my own. I'm thinking something alot like this, with a few modifications of my own to make it look a bit more like a SM craft:
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2010/05/40k-hobby-horn-pattern-storm-raven.html#

I really find the "OMG check out how Space Marines this thing is" look of the official kit is just silly. It is built in an incredibly in-aerodynamic way, i.e. the under surface area will create more drag than the over surface area, and the whole mess of pockets and corners on the cabin are just ugly. They really look to me like the designer was trying really hard to make it look like a land raider, but the remembered that it had to fly, so tried to fix it at the last minute.

Some more Dreadnought sprue snaps, thanks to Mr. Morticon on B & C :

Shame those torsos are a bit too bloody.

One dread will be my GK dread, one will be my RG libby dread.
One stormraven will be my GK stormraven, one will be my RG stormraven.

oh that makes me happy.

Is the death mask the only dread head?

Looks like it. Two of the plates don't use the separate head and the one that does is for the libby.

whats on the sprue to the right....

Shame there isn't a more generic head for the dread, for use with other chapters.

Come to think of it, I'm guessing this kit is fully compatible with the Venerable coffin. If so, no harm in the bloody fronts, just use a spare from the other.

I still can't make out if the Force Weapon is handheld or if it is incorporated in the arm like a bajonet-ish spear.

And what is the piece on the sprue on the top left? Is that a mask of some sort or just a pad?

The wings on the "regular" torso look a bit like funny ears, but they shouldn't be that big of a problem.


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Gibbsey wrote:whats on the sprue to the right....

From what I can remember right now the arm with the frag cannon is on that one, and the other close combat weapon arm where either the other blood fist goes or the Force Weaon + the claws.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:Fixed that for you.

The Dark Angel and Chaos Marine players in the world disagree with you...

Hey, I play both and I still find them both fun to play. As for Competitive, you can ask White_Dragon about Chaos.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:

Mr Mystery wrote:Head Office...main reception.

I know that area well!

WHO ARE YOU?????//??/?

Your name suits you well, mystery man

He's Mr Mystery.

I think he might be Mista Noo Yawk posting under an alias.

Maybe he's really Dik_Tokyo.

*suspense music*

The deathcompany sarcophogus has a skull built in for the head, the libby has the death mask, so 2 head options, but not interchangable...

^ Also the first time we get the front already built into the torso.

The Black Reach dread has that too of course, but all of the regular plastic kits give us several choices. I consider this a minor disappointment, but nothing that can't be converted/fixed.

I can't see the first picture in the thread's opening post at work, so I'm not sure what else is on the other sprue.




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Looks like the Force Weapon is indeed bajonet like and not "hand"-held (unfortunately).

Kanluwen wrote:That's not happening, and you and I both know why. Powergamers ruin everything for everyone, especially when it comes to fluff for weirdly organized forces like the Ravenwing and Deathwing.

Really? Becuase I seem to recall two releases, namely Blood angels and Space wolves that have some strange orgaizations and power to them......hasnt stopped GW there.

carmachu wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:That's not happening, and you and I both know why. Powergamers ruin everything for everyone, especially when it comes to fluff for weirdly organized forces like the Ravenwing and Deathwing.

Really? Because I seem to recall two releases, namely Blood angels and Space wolves that have some strange organizations and power to them......hasn't stopped GW there.

It took me a bit to find out where you actually found that statement.

Out of context, it looks kinda silly.

My response was to this:

I'd just love to see Dark Angel players get their Ravenwing armies back, sans a mandatory Special Character

I've not seen the Blood Angels 'dex in detail, but the Space Wolves codex does require special characters to do that "strange organization" and the power associated with them.

That is the issue.

Plus: Special Character "themed" armies are all the rage!

Was in my local GW today and i asked one of the staff about the storm raven and he said it should be up on the gw website wednesday afternoon/night.

Great news, I am really looking forward to seeing what they unleash for the BA, I am hoping there are a few surprises beyond the Furioso and SR, and also really curious to see more of the options for building both -

Thanks CL

This is truly fantastic news! I probably won't rush to get the SR (only because I don't use them in my lists at the moment) but I definitely want a few of these dreads.

present from warseer, via /tg/

Now I wonder whether anyone can work out from that photo how the back of the Stormraven works!

You missed 3 pics. Posted by BramGaunt BTW.
Here attached for convenience before imageshack goes down

I just saw these on warseer, like it or not ( i do like it btw ) you cant argue that the frame gives some good options for kit bashing, especially with orks, just think of the orky pod racers and jet bikes you could make with the engines

Hrm, plenty of conversion fodder. Maybe I will be getting one and turn it into a generic shuttle, the weapons will come in handy for future projects.

And I see Grey Knight Insignia (book with blade).

Interesting stuff. And pleasing to see it comes with Hurricane Bolters as well.

Yeah, i didn't think that was all of them and i didn't go to warseer to get them, i knew someone would pick up the rest

Access ramps and hatches look interchangable with the Space Marine plastic/ FW line.

Its nearly free of specific markings so it should be easy to spread it like the LRC...

Mr Mystery wrote:And I see Grey Knight Insignia (book with blade).

You're right. Books with blades and winged blood drops.

Wonder how much....

I reckon same as a Landraider.

Not too bad then.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Mr Mystery wrote:And I see Grey Knight Insignia (book with blade).

You're right. Books with blades and winged blood drops.

Makes me wonder if they will open it up to all chapters, or just keep it BA/GK only.

Any sign of any GK-specific weapons?

Can’t see GW limiting it too few chapters and losing sales on this kind of kit.

Slinky wrote: Makes me wonder if they will open it up to all chapters, or just keep it BA/GK only.

It wouldn't surprise me if they made a big noise about it being BA / GK exclusive for a few months to try and push sales of the GK codex.

Once the sales of that have tailed off, there'll be a website / WD special announcing the release of the STC to all other loyalist Chapters.

And after that, Huron or Abaddon or someone will get their hands on one, reverse-engineer it and - hey presto! - Chaos Storm Ravens!

Im planning one for my Night Lords *Insert evil laugh here*

Necroagogo wrote:

Slinky wrote: Makes me wonder if they will open it up to all chapters, or just keep it BA/GK only.

It wouldn't surprise me if they made a big noise about it being BA / GK exclusive for a few months to try and push sales of the GK codex.

Once the sales of that have tailed off, there'll be a website / WD special announcing the release of the STC to all other loyalist Chapters.

And after that, Huron or Abaddon or someone will get their hands on one, reverse-engineer it and - hey presto! - Chaos Storm Ravens!

Think thats spot on.

Interesting the imperial eagle us all over it, is it just me or does it look like the ba icons were placed to cover the imperial eagle in some instances... Good indication that everyone gets one down the line...

I'm hoping they won't give this to all Marine armies, actually. For one thing, I don't think it'd be fair to Blood Angels players to have their unique toy diluted like that, and I don't think Codex Marines need any more ways of getting quickly into the fray, so the model does not fill a tactical gap (for GK I'd argue it does, since they don't have drop pods for their line infantry, or Scouts infiltrating teleport homers).

Agamemnon2 wrote:I'm hoping they won't give this to all Marine armies, actually. For one thing, I don't think it'd be fair to Blood Angels players to have their unique toy diluted like that, and I don't think Codex Marines need any more ways of getting quickly into the fray, so the model does not fill a tactical gap (for GK I'd argue it does, since they don't have drop pods for their line infantry, or Scouts infiltrating teleport homers).

Agreed!

Begone, those who wish everything genericized! Hooray for uniqueness!

MajorTom11 wrote:Interesting the imperial eagle is all over it, is it just me or does it look like the ba icons were placed to cover the imperial eagle in some instances... Good indication that everyone gets one down the line...

Or they could just be interchangeable. The Blood Angels do use the standard Imperial iconography alongside of their own unique stuff, just like the Ultramarines and Dark Angels and pretty much every Chapter.

Hmmm...Force Weapon on the Dread Sprue. Not overly keen on how it looks to attach (ramrod style). But, get the ornante powerfist from the Ven, and it can look pretty cool.

Hmmmm.

Given that GW is trying to make money, it is a pretty safe bet that all Marines will have this vehicle sooner (Flyers supplement?) or later (6th edition Marine codex).

BrookM wrote:Hrm, plenty of conversion fodder. Maybe I will be getting one and turn it into a generic shuttle, the weapons will come in handy for future projects.

Yeah, you could just use the new Storm Raven kit for conversions then mount a Land Raider on the flyer base?

That meme is getting rather old.

Dude, I'm a Space Wolf player, how do you think I feel?!

Agamemnon2 wrote:I'm hoping they won't give this to all Marine armies, actually. For one thing, I don't think it'd be fair to Blood Angels players to have their unique toy diluted like that, and I don't think Codex Marines need any more ways of getting quickly into the fray, so the model does not fill a tactical gap (for GK I'd argue it does, since they don't have drop pods for their line infantry, or Scouts infiltrating teleport homers).

Yeah, but let's face it, that's how GW rolls. LRC, anyone?

Since new pics of the sprues are coming out, i figured i'd colate the old pics of various photoshop conversions of the kit from the previous thread to give others who hold the view that this is an ugly, ugly bird some ideas for conversions. happy plastic trimming time!

Considering they FAQ's in the new pattern Land Raiders for Space Wolves when the latest Codex: Marines came out, I would hardly say it's out of the question they'd retcon this into all the other chapters. It's just a matter of how and when.

MajorTom11's for sure

hungryp wrote:

Agamemnon2 wrote:I'm hoping they won't give this to all Marine armies, actually. For one thing, I don't think it'd be fair to Blood Angels players to have their unique toy diluted like that, and I don't think Codex Marines need any more ways of getting quickly into the fray, so the model does not fill a tactical gap (for GK I'd argue it does, since they don't have drop pods for their line infantry, or Scouts infiltrating teleport homers).

Yeah, but let's face it, that's how GW rolls. LRC, anyone?

LRC was originally in a campaign book, for an army that was extremely popular and then put in with the standard Marine 'dex until they got their very own "Codex: Black Templars" some years later..

So the LRC is kind of an extreme example.

Color me interested. WIll be picking one up, and just finding a way to fix the top part of the craft. The turret area is the only thing that looks funny to me.

hungryp wrote:

Agamemnon2 wrote:I'm hoping they won't give this to all Marine armies, actually. For one thing, I don't think it'd be fair to Blood Angels players to have their unique toy diluted like that, and I don't think Codex Marines need any more ways of getting quickly into the fray, so the model does not fill a tactical gap (for GK I'd argue it does, since they don't have drop pods for their line infantry, or Scouts infiltrating teleport homers).

Yeah, but let's face it, that's how GW rolls. LRC, anyone?

Yeah, that's why all armies now have access to Ork Stompas in regular games ... wait!

Despite the fact I don't have a good BA list with them in, I think the model has potential. Take off the top-turret and the tail, plasticard the back up a bit and it could look great

Slinky wrote:Makes me wonder if they will open it up to all chapters, or just keep it BA/GK only.

It's bizarre that it has Chapter symbols for only two Chapters. Chapter-specific kits aren't exactly a new concept - there are heaps of them already - but for a kit to just have two Chapters included is very odd. I would have at least thought the kit would be like the Land Speeder and Drop Pod and contain a few symbols for the standard Chapters (Ultramarines, Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Space Wolves) with GK's added in for flavour.

Perhaps they'll do an upgrade kit for £15

jimbo1701 over at Warseer made some comments on the sprue pics, putting names to all parts:

Those landing gear pistons are rather massive.

And lo, with the Stormraven's release...

The Tau Empire have lost the Landing Gear Wars.

Well hey, looks like all the weapon options are there. Can't complain about that.

still not sold on how the back goes together.

looks like I may just pick up one for shuttle conversions/ podracers.

the seats look nice though and plasma cannons are alaways good for me to have lying around.

my veiws on this model have increaced to 6/10

Not convinced those are part of the landing gear. Is it not described as having a clamp to hold the Dread in place? Door as labelled is too small for a Dread, so I reckon it's a magnetic clamp for the Dreadnought.

Anyone have a clue on release date? I know there's a "flyer WD special", but which month is that?

GW has been holding out on us. Those sprues say 2010. Also, the BS missile rear is probably the multi-meltas.

Up for Advance Order Wednesday apparently.

wow. 2 replies in about 10 seconds.
Wednesday?! That soon? I was thinking up for advance order march-time!
I'll be ordering one in a week or two.

I would go with rear gear is for dreadnought, however how they hold the dreadnought in still a mistery, maby someone with a dreadnought could take a look at the model to see it it would fit anywhere?

warboss wrote:Since new pics of the sprues are coming out, i figured i'd colate the old pics of various photoshop conversions of the kit from the previous thread to give others who hold the view that this is an ugly, ugly bird some ideas for conversions. happy plastic trimming time!

I'm not sure any of them are really much of an improvement on or noteworthy departure from the original.

I actually like the original, and I like some of the conversions well enough, but in essence they are all blocky and pretty much the same as the original.

If I had to pick one to replace the original it would be the bottom right one as it looks the most like the blocky aesthetic of space marines; sort of reminds me of a mini Thunderhawk.


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Miss Dee wrote:Perhaps they'll do an upgrade kit for £15

GENIUS!!!

This model is kind of cool. I really like the dreadnoughts.

It would be a great looking model if it wasn't so fugly.

Necros wrote:It would be a great looking model if it wasn't so fugly.

That makes no sense. "It would look good if it didn't look so bad"

Y'know, I actually kinda like it. A bit o' spring cleaning here and there, and it could make a lovely, larger, and probably cheaper, version of Forgeworlds Arvus Liter. Or a similar shuttle of somesuch. Which I do like the idea of.

CT GAMER wrote:

warboss wrote:Since new pics of the sprues are coming out, i figured i'd colate the old pics of various photoshop conversions of the kit from the previous thread to give others who hold the view that this is an ugly, ugly bird some ideas for conversions. happy plastic trimming time!

I'm not sure any of them are really much of an improvement on or noteworthy departure from the original.

I actually like the original, and I like some of the conversions well enough, but in essence they are all blocky and pretty much the same as the original.

If I had to pick one to replace the original it would be the bottom right one as it looks the most like the blocky aesthetic of space marines; sort of reminds me of a mini Thunderhawk.

yeah, i remember you in the "pro" camp in that thread. in the end, it's a style opinion so there isn't a technical right answer. i like using official models (also because my plasticard-fu is week beyond an occasional floor or strut) and i'll pick up a single model for conversion. i'll probably liberally borrow ideas from all the versions i reposted... i'll lower the engines to flush with the top, use the lascannons without the servitor turret to resemble other marine vehicle remote turrets, straighten out the tail to resemble a thunderhawk's more, and trim down that huge intake behind the turret to just the small part on top.

edit: i get the feeling that the hurricane bolter sponsons will look very bulky compared to the small central transport frame but, ruleswise, is a must if you're kitting the bird out for anti-infantry.

If anyone has trouble seeing the pictures I upload the sprue pics into the gallery.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/images-518-1484_Sprues.html

Up for advance order Wednesday? That's exciting. I might put an order in for three for the future GK release.

shrike wrote:

Necros wrote:It would be a great looking model if it wasn't so fugly.

That makes no sense. "It would look good if it didn't look so bad"

Swing, and a miss! ...Right over 'is head.

so... it looks like the hurricane bolters fit over the doors on the front.. rulewise, i don't see it in the BA codex but it sure looks like adding the hurricane bolters *should* disallow you to exit from the two side front doors. anyone see any other place to put them?

Warboss, unless the SR is immobilized, the doors are just decorative.

augustus5 wrote:Up for advance order Wednesday? That's exciting. I might put an order in for three for the future GK release.

I'll be looking forward to seeing it, as I'm curious how it will be priced. It's an ugly bird, but at heart I love birds, and especially the ugly ones... so maybe. I think it could be made better with some tweaking, perhaps.

All I see right now up for order is some Ultramarines stuff. Good for them - GWS has ignored the marines in general and Ultramarines in specific for far too long, glad to see them finally getting some love.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCats.jsp?catId=cat440160a&rootCatGameStyle=wh40k

Up for pre order, looks even more chibby by the picture they put up, doesn't show the back end though.

The scriptor bot is awesome and will be added to my Red Hunters Space Marines for sure ...

GW wrote:Remember the terrified look on your opponents' face when you first fought them with your Blood Angels? Well be prepared to see it again because nothing inspires terror quite like this vehicle - it's a flying red fist of death that's going to punch their army until it begs for mercy. There is something extremely satisfying when you transport your most devastating unit (and potentially a Dreadnought) across the table and right into the face of the enemy army. And after you unleash the troops? Well, you can just blast chunks out their tanks and monsters with Bloodstrike Missiles until there's nothing left to blow up.

or

GW wrote:Remember the terrified look on your opponents' face when you first fought them with another SM army? Well be prepared to see it again because nothing inspires terror quite like this thing- it's a flying red brick of death that's going to flick their army until it shoots it down. There is something extremely satisfying when you transport your most cheesy unit (and potentially a Dreadnought) across the table and right into the fist of the enemy army. And after your disembarked troops die? Well, you can just ping chunks out their armour and monsters with Bloodstrike Missiles until there's no more bloodstrike missiles.

That'd be my version.

A new flying unit, and quite fittingly for SM players its a shortbus. A squat, ugly little shortbus. I guess they used up all their good designs on DE and decided that SM players wouldn't care as long as they were nice and cheesy and had articles about killing a million billion people per day with space marine powers.

timff8 wrote:I was, and still am on the fence about buying the SR kit and biting the bullet of fielding a flying out-house, or taking the time to convert my own. I'm thinking something alot like this, with a few modifications of my own to make it look a bit more like a SM craft:
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2010/05/40k-hobby-horn-pattern-storm-raven.html#

I really find the "OMG check out how Space Marines this thing is" look of the official kit is just silly. It is built in an incredibly in-aerodynamic way, i.e. the under surface area will create more drag than the over surface area, and the whole mess of pockets and corners on the cabin are just ugly. They really look to me like the designer was trying really hard to make it look like a land raider, but the remembered that it had to fly, so tried to fix it at the last minute.

Actually a Land Raider is more aerodynamic than the Storm Raven.

Kilkrazy wrote:

timff8 wrote:I was, and still am on the fence about buying the SR kit and biting the bullet of fielding a flying out-house, or taking the time to convert my own. I'm thinking something alot like this, with a few modifications of my own to make it look a bit more like a SM craft:
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2010/05/40k-hobby-horn-pattern-storm-raven.html#

I really find the "OMG check out how Space Marines this thing is" look of the official kit is just silly. It is built in an incredibly in-aerodynamic way, i.e. the under surface area will create more drag than the over surface area, and the whole mess of pockets and corners on the cabin are just ugly. They really look to me like the designer was trying really hard to make it look like a land raider, but the remembered that it had to fly, so tried to fix it at the last minute.

Actually a Land Raider is more aerodynamic than the Storm Raven.

while i agree that the storm raven is an ugly bird, i'm not sure about that last part. here's the uncredited (sorry, i didn't save the html address) pic i found yesterday comparing the two.

Burgwatzk wrote:A new flying unit, and quite fittingly for SM players its a shortbus. A squat, ugly little shortbus. I guess they used up all their good designs on DE and decided that SM players wouldn't care as long as they were nice and cheesy and had articles about killing a million billion people per day with space marine powers.

Be VERY careful when making those types of comments.

In fact, don't make them at all.

MinMax wrote:

shrike wrote:

Necros wrote:It would be a great looking model if it wasn't so fugly.

That makes no sense. "It would look good if it didn't look so bad"

Swing, and a miss! ...Right over 'is head.

Sorry, it's just difficult to detect sarcasm over forums.