just found it on the gw site and havent seen a thread here,so heres a pic

Supposedly the Chapter Master or Company Captain in charge, can't remember which one.

Having seen the other armies on the site, I find them rather uninspiring.

I don't know but some of those basic sm's in the background are pretty sick (conversion wise, not painting). It was at least neat to look at.

Seems like the L'c have been modified. Could just be some good conversions.

It says on the site:
"Will Hayes' Carcharodons: Will chose the Carcharadons because of their mysterious and hideously violent background. He equipped most of them with the Forge World weapon packs because they are a very old Chapter that was established just after the Horus Heresy and he wanted to give them an ancient and war-torn look. Oh, and look at the front, there's that terminator again from page 51 in The Badab War - Part I, I wonder who he is...", so it's probably a SC, captain or chapter master of some kind. Someone important, anyway.
Notice in some of the other pics on GW site- a LR redeemer in a heresy-era army, and a WIP eldar titan...
and one redeemer has the MKIIB LR stuff, but with redeemer bits?!

If you look closely at the lead terminator, it's not just the claws - the entire helmet is a remodel, almost in the vein of regular MK V armour.

That is the same model pictured here....

EDIT - thanks, Shrike.

Padre^.

I have a feeling some heresy-era termie parts are coming...

Nice little find there hamham...lunchbox...what an odd name.

Much cooler than the current style termie helms.

Looks like some pre-heresy stuff to me. Nice model though. Really 'sharky'

Looks awesome. I want one. And every model there XD

Hulksmash wrote:I don't know but some of those basic sm's in the background are pretty sick (conversion wise, not painting). It was at least neat to look at.

Seems like the L'c have been modified. Could just be some good conversions.

They're not lightning claw bits for the first part

He used the swords from the Dark Elf Warrior kit, with some slight modifications.


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Padre wrote:If you look closely at the lead terminator, it's not just the claws - the entire helmet is a remodel, almost in the vein of regular MK V armour.

That is the same model pictured here....

EDIT - thanks, Shrike.

Padre^.

Because the owner of said army made that model for his own personal use It's a conversion done by Will Hayes, one of FW's sculptors.

Supposedly a model will be made for that character, but it won't look precisely the same.

Pre-Heresy Terminators would be nice - but these don't look much like Pre-Heresy Terminators.

At all!

Helmet makes sense fluff wise, since mkV helms were meant to be derived from prototype Termy Tech.

For Pre-Heresy Terminator armor, I hope FW tries a little harder than that!

wow. The look too good to be true.

I like that combat knife sized chainsword in the unit on the right. Suppose that is in the FW kit.

It's either the Chapter Master or 1st Company Captain. He's supposed to be a standalone figure, not a combination of pre-heresy Terminator bits. He has a chainfist built into his lightning claws.

it's in the unit on the left, too. That is pretty cool.

How long ago was it that they lost the ability to make more Terminator Armor? Seems odd that they'd advance it after the Heresy, then forget how to make it altogether.

Aduro wrote:How long ago was it that they lost the ability to make more Terminator Armor? Seems odd that they'd advance it after the Heresy, then forget how to make it altogether.

Never?

They've never lost the ability to "make more Terminator Armor". They've just "lost" the ability (or more likely, purposely misconstrued the directions) to mass produce the armor. It's now basically hand-crafted.

Kanluwen wrote:

Aduro wrote:How long ago was it that they lost the ability to make more Terminator Armor? Seems odd that they'd advance it after the Heresy, then forget how to make it altogether.

Never?

They've never lost the ability to "make more Terminator Armor". They've just "lost" the ability (or more likely, purposely misconstrued the directions) to mass produce the armor. It's now basically hand-crafted.

What's your source for that??

p.s - Not snarky, genuinely curious, I don't recall reading that anywhere, I always remember reading that they no longer knew how to make it, and each suit was a precious irreplaceable relic. Which always bugged me, as I am pretty sure after a millennium or 2, they would all be shot up and finished... It's not like they had a ton of spares even back in the day to explain how it would be possible to keep most chapters owning suits.

shrike wrote:I have a feeling some heresy-era termie parts are coming...

That would be sweet. Id add a squad or tow to the termie collection.

MajorTom11 wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Aduro wrote:How long ago was it that they lost the ability to make more Terminator Armor? Seems odd that they'd advance it after the Heresy, then forget how to make it altogether.

Never?

They've never lost the ability to "make more Terminator Armor". They've just "lost" the ability (or more likely, purposely misconstrued the directions) to mass produce the armor. It's now basically hand-crafted.

What's your source for that??

p.s - Not snarky, genuinely curious, I don't recall reading that anywhere, I always remember reading that they no longer knew how to make it, and each suit was a precious irreplaceable relic. Which always bugged me, as I am pretty sure after a millennium or 2, they would all be shot up and finished... It's not like they had a ton of spares even back in the day to explain how it would be possible to keep most chapters owning suits.

Pretty much all of GW's fluff regarding Terminators?

I mean, yes they say they're "precious, irreplaceable relics"...but so is just about anything that's handcrafted.

yeah, if heresy TDA came out......I'd be getting a couple more squads...

Flipped thru my codexes, and while the new ones don't mention it, the Black Templars Codex states that "the secretes of their construction have long since been lost."

Aduro wrote:Flipped thru my codexes, and while the new ones don't mention it, the Black Templars Codex states that "the secretes of their construction have long since been lost."

Ya... I can easily remember where to find where it said that, but I can't remember ever reading otherwise.

Kan, if it is so prevalent that it is in most of the Codex's, would you care to actually find the page then???

Some see the infantry models.
Some see the tanks.



Some of us look back at the pile of molds and start calculating how much money that amount of RTV cost.

MajorTom11 wrote:

Aduro wrote:Flipped thru my codexes, and while the new ones don't mention it, the Black Templars Codex states that "the secretes of their construction have long since been lost."

Ya... I can easily remember where to find where it said that, but I can't remember ever reading otherwise.

Kan, if it is so prevalent that it is in most of the Codex's, would you care to actually find the page then???

Not really

But, to really go through...
Page 64 of the current SM codex says that they are "incredibly rare"(note: not "no longer made", nor "the secrets of their construction are lost").

And if we're going off "old"(aka the Black Templar Codex) fluff: The previous SM codex, for whatever the "new" Founding Chapter perk was mentioned something (paraphrasing here as I don't have it handy) that they were "newly founded, and thus only possessed a small number of Terminator Armor suits; all of which lacked the history and the more complex Machine Spirit of the ancient suits".

So where do the "newly Founded Chapters" get their Terminator Armor from?
Either it's constructed by hand(which makes by far the most sense, since it's one of the few things not constructed by a Chapter itself, but reliant upon the AM for) or the AM has a supersecret vault filled to the brim with suits of Terminator Armor.

Terminator armour is probably still being made, the novels go through them at a high speed. Space Hulk describes how several Terminator units are forever lost. The short story "the Core" tells how the Night Lords steal five or so suits from the Salamanders. The Ultramarine novels talk about how big Pesanius is and that the lower part of his power armour is made from a suit of Terminator armour. And so on.

models look very cool, i like the claws on them

Kanluwen wrote:And if we're going off "old"(aka the Black Templar Codex) fluff: The previous SM codex, for whatever the "new" Founding Chapter perk was mentioned something (paraphrasing here as I don't have it handy) that they were "newly founded, and thus only possessed a small number of Terminator Armor suits; all of which lacked the history and the more complex Machine Spirit of the ancient suits".

So where do the "newly Founded Chapters" get their Terminator Armor from?
Either it's constructed by hand(which makes by far the most sense, since it's one of the few things not constructed by a Chapter itself, but reliant upon the AM for) or the AM has a supersecret vault filled to the brim with suits of Terminator Armor.

Assuming that's referring to the Black Templars, then you're talking about a Second Founding Chapter - i.e., a chapter which was created nearly 10,000 years ago within the setting. Given that Terminator armour hadn't been around for that long at that time, as it had been created during the Great Crusade, I'm not sure how there can be "ancient suits" of Terminator armour at that stage.

Can someone with the BT book get us the actual quote for this, please, or am I going to have to bust out my 2nd edition Wargear book for quotes here?

BrookM wrote:Terminator armour is probably still being made, the novels go through them at a high speed. Space Hulk describes how several Terminator units are forever lost. The short story "the Core" tells how the Night Lords steal five or so suits from the Salamanders. The Ultramarine novels talk about how big Pesanius is and that the lower part of his power armour is made from a suit of Terminator armour. And so on.

Don't forget about dark apostle, where the word bearers lose something like a hundred suits to the necrons

There is also the small bit about every loyalist suit of armor having a small shard of the big E's armor embedded in the cruxis that is why they are irreplaceable relics as to them not being in production they are it just takes a while. The space wolves had to have a suit made for Ranulf The largest wolf next to Russ they almost had to use Russ's armor but he stopped growing.

So it's gone from questions of a mysterious model to discussion of 40k fluff. I sense a forum sections switch soon

Dysartes wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:And if we're going off "old"(aka the Black Templar Codex) fluff: The previous SM codex, for whatever the "new" Founding Chapter perk was mentioned something (paraphrasing here as I don't have it handy) that they were "newly founded, and thus only possessed a small number of Terminator Armor suits; all of which lacked the history and the more complex Machine Spirit of the ancient suits".

So where do the "newly Founded Chapters" get their Terminator Armor from?
Either it's constructed by hand(which makes by far the most sense, since it's one of the few things not constructed by a Chapter itself, but reliant upon the AM for) or the AM has a supersecret vault filled to the brim with suits of Terminator Armor.

Assuming that's referring to the Black Templars, then you're talking about a Second Founding Chapter - i.e., a chapter which was created nearly 10,000 years ago within the setting. Given that Terminator armour hadn't been around for that long at that time, as it had been created during the Great Crusade, I'm not sure how there can be "ancient suits" of Terminator armour at that stage.

Can someone with the BT book get us the actual quote for this, please, or am I going to have to bust out my 2nd edition Wargear book for quotes here?

I don't own the BT book. Aduro made the quote about the Black Templars book saying "The secrets of its construction are lost". I was just saying that if we go off the older BT book fluff, then the SM codex from that same timeframe stated, roughly paraphrasing, that "new Founded Chapters will have a small supply of Terminator Armour to draw from at their Founding, with Chapters with close ties to the Mechanicus usually having more".

Alpharius wrote:For Pre-Heresy Terminator armor, I hope FW tries a little harder than that!

Unfortunately this is not pre-heresy termie armour, this is what happens when you commision artwork from somebody who made Doomtrooper and such bullpoo before, now everybody's making Warzonish shoulderpads on termies and declare them "pre-heresy"

The armour displayed on the FW images is actually MkIII terminator armour, pre heresy and heresy era armour Mki and II were made before by GW in 1980's.

BrookM wrote:The Ultramarine novels talk about how big Pesanius is and that the lower part of his power armour is made from a suit of Terminator armour. And so on.

So this Pesanius guy was truescaled?

mystery figure looks awesome. Im assuming those are the vaunted space sharks?

Yep. But now they're renamed.

EvilHamster wrote:

Alpharius wrote:For Pre-Heresy Terminator armor, I hope FW tries a little harder than that!

Unfortunately this is not pre-heresy termie armour, this is what happens when you commision artwork from somebody who made Doomtrooper and such bullpoo before, now everybody's making Warzonish shoulderpads on termies and declare them "pre-heresy"

The armour displayed on the FW images is actually MkIII terminator armour, pre heresy and heresy era armour Mki and II were made before by GW in 1980's.

Ok, Ill bite...so what DOES heresy/pre heresy term armor look like?

Ill also add that I like the big shoulder pads. once my termie collection gets in full swing Im going to do a squad with them.

The way they've been wargeared and posed makes them look like a dance troupe.

Mad4Minis wrote:

Ok, Ill bite...so what DOES heresy/pre heresy term armor look like?

Ill also add that I like the big shoulder pads. once my termie collection gets in full swing Im going to do a squad with them.

Here ya go mate
like this(MkI)


And like this (MkII)


Please do note that those things on MkI are not shoulderpads

Oh and here's the link to the original catalogue scan:
http://solegends.com/citcat89/c894106marines-h.htm

They'll probably look good as a model, but on screen?
they look terrible!

shrike wrote:They'll probably look good as a model, but on screen?
they look terrible!

Heretic!!! They are beatifull!!


Btw:
http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/165/d/5/Incendiary_by_jollyjack.jpg

I used to have one of the MkII suits and it was really nice. I'd love to see a new interpretation of it

Scultpted by jes goodwin no less

Actually, as posted earlier, they now look like this:



The "M&M" and "Bulldog" Terminators are literally old school Citadel miniatures that used to represent what Per-Heresy Terminator Armor looked like, but given what we've seen from the "Visions" artbooks, that is no longer the case.

I've got a bunch of the "M&M" Terminators though, waiting for the right project...

Should be interesting to see what forge world comes up with for pre-heresy terminator armor. The new artwork is much better than the old terminators they made.

Id be game for some of those ^^^. Well, Id score any that werent too terrible really.

Though the ones posted above look like something from Warmachines Menoth faction...

Alpharius wrote:I've got a bunch of the "M&M" Terminators though, waiting for the right project...

Heh... I have a bunch of the older Terminators that I was planning to use for my Red Corsairs. Never did manage to track down the "M&M" one though.

brettz123 wrote:Should be interesting to see what forge world comes up with for pre-heresy terminator armor. The new artwork is much better than the old terminators they made.

Id prefer if GW and not FW did them. Im not sure Id buy them from FW...their quality is extremely sketchy, especially in smaller stuff. If they were really cool and decently priced I might take the chance...maybe...

Alpharius wrote:I've got a bunch of the "M&M" Terminators though, waiting for the right project...

can you post pics? Dunno what those look like...

Mad4Minis wrote:

brettz123 wrote:Should be interesting to see what forge world comes up with for pre-heresy terminator armor. The new artwork is much better than the old terminators they made.

Id prefer if GW and not FW did them. Im not sure Id buy them from FW...their quality is extremely sketchy, especially in smaller stuff. If they were really cool and decently priced I might take the chance...maybe...

I think everyone would agree with you here People would just snatch those up. I doubt forgeworld could meet the demand well enough, with good quality at least. Besides, then we wouldn't have to wait like 5 years for hem to show up on our doorsteps, we could just go buy them

Samus_aran115 wrote:

Mad4Minis wrote:

brettz123 wrote:Should be interesting to see what forge world comes up with for pre-heresy terminator armor. The new artwork is much better than the old terminators they made.

Id prefer if GW and not FW did them. Im not sure Id buy them from FW...their quality is extremely sketchy, especially in smaller stuff. If they were really cool and decently priced I might take the chance...maybe...

I think everyone would agree with you here People would just snatch those up. I doubt forgeworld could meet the demand well enough, with good quality at least. Besides, then we wouldn't have to wait like 5 years for hem to show up on our doorsteps, we could just go buy them

Theres that as well.

I could stand the shipping time if the quality was there. My experience with FW is very mixed. I got a Baneblade many years ago that was perfect. Ditto for the chaos dread. The chaos renegades were warped. The Grey Knight strike cruisers were terrible. Well, one was fine, the other looked like it took several torpedoes on the way across the pond.

shrike wrote:

Alpharius wrote:I've got a bunch of the "M&M" Terminators though, waiting for the right project...

can you post pics? Dunno what those look like...

It looks a lot like the picture posted earlier:

wow. And I thought power armour shoulder pads were big...

Those are not shoulder pads they are a solid part of the armor I saw one years ago they are quite heavy being lead and rather solid in the body.

MajorTom11 wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Aduro wrote:How long ago was it that they lost the ability to make more Terminator Armor? Seems odd that they'd advance it after the Heresy, then forget how to make it altogether.

Never?

They've never lost the ability to "make more Terminator Armor". They've just "lost" the ability (or more likely, purposely misconstrued the directions) to mass produce the armor. It's now basically hand-crafted.

What's your source for that??

p.s - Not snarky, genuinely curious, I don't recall reading that anywhere, I always remember reading that they no longer knew how to make it, and each suit was a precious irreplaceable relic. Which always bugged me, as I am pretty sure after a millennium or 2, they would all be shot up and finished... It's not like they had a ton of spares even back in the day to explain how it would be possible to keep most chapters owning suits.

One source is the Index Astartes article on Terminators (collected in Index Astartes IV). The article states new suits are produced by the Adeptus Mechanicus but at a slow rate so existing suits are treated with utmost care.

Alpharius wrote:Actually, as posted earlier, they now look like this...

wh40k.lexicanum.com shows that design pattern as Adeptus Custodes Terminator Armour.

Fantastic!

The Horus Heresy Collected Visions shows this as Pre-Heresy/Heresy Era Terminator Armor (Iron Hands Marine):



Where are we going with this again?

That Alpharius is old and needs his Alzheimer's medication.

Because he's old.



Anyways, I have a hard time believing we'd see those kinds of Terminators being produced exclusively for here. They'd have been done before now, if they were going to be done.

2nd ed wargear book? I have it right here...
"Tactical Dreadnaught armour or Terminator armour, as it is more commonly known, is without doubt the toughest personal armour in the galaxy. The armour is massively bulky and contains a full exo-skeleton arrangement of fiber bundles and adamantium rods to support the heavy gauge plasteel and ceramite plates that form the outer carapace. The Adeptus Mechanicus has designed a number of particularly devastating weapons to be used in conjunction with Terminator armour including storm bolters, heavy flamers, assault cannon, and the deadly cyclone missile launcher. Terminator suits are valuable and often very old so they are reserved for use by proven veterans of the already highly trained Imperial Space Marine chapters"

No mention that it's lost technology. I skipped the technical stuff about armor saves and stuff (tired of typing) but that's all of the fluff

Hmm, why did I come in here thinking this thread was about a Terminator themed Lunchbox?

In other news, nice mini, still not sold on the name change though. I hope most folks are still planning on calling them 'Space Sharks' if they get em.

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:In other news, nice mini, still not sold on the name change though. I hope most folks are still planning on calling them 'Space Sharks' if they get em.

As someone who played Space Sharks "before they were cool" (can I say that now?), the name change is nonexistent in my eyes. As for people who are just picking them up, I can't say. Actually, I wonder how many people are going to start playing them without even knowing that they were first called Space Sharks.

Hi, would anyone be able to tell me were to find these pics on the GW site. I'm building a raptor legion force and I'd like to see thier take on it as official pics are rare on the ground. I've had a look and cant seem to find them, the GW site is painful to navigate.
Cheers

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/blogPost.jsp?aId=14700020a

Having checked in 2nd Ed-era Angels of Death codex, it does mention "much of the technology to build terminator has been lost".

"Much" but not "All"!

So, while it remains difficult and time consuming, it is still possible!

Carcharodons...apparently founded shortly after the Heresy.

Possibly made up of loyalists from the Traitor Legions, ala Garro?

Armour is certainly close to his as per Garro, Oath of Moment...

Apparently the implication in IA10 is that they're founded from the monsters that Corax created.

Alpharius wrote:"Much" but not "All"!

So, while it remains difficult and time consuming, it is still possible!

Yeah, the "much" part is important, so it's not completely gone, but still pretty rare, even for the Astartes.

I remember an old comic where terminators in space hulks would be teleported back after the mission, regardless of the "status" of the wearer, so unless the damage was really severe, each suit has probably been repaired... a few times.

The monsters Corax dispatched himself after the Heresy?
Undead?

Not really - they were more like monstrously mutated things, the result of Corax's attempts at cloning Astartes replacements after the Dropsite Massacre.

1hadhq wrote:The monsters Corax dispatched himself after the Heresy?
Undead?

Or retcon. I don't believe it's ever actually stated that they're from the monsters, but it's the implication.

Interesting that they have been confirmed to raven guard geneseed, wouldn't have connected it like that myself, but I quite like it, brings some of the less featured ones to the fore.

The issue I see there is the end of Corax story, before he left he took the duty to end their misery to himself.Each of them.

So either we get "only slightly flawed ones were granted to live" as 'new' fluff, or we get a really murky background where 'experiments barely able to hold a boltgun'
are a valid source of a space marine chapter and the flawed geneseed works for almost 10 millenia...

I for one would prefer a more believable history of the charcharodons(incorrect surely..)/space sharks, but still welcome them into the ranks of the sons of Corax.

Sarrazon wrote:Apparently the implication in IA10 is that they're founded from the monsters that Corax created.

Now that's a stupid thing to even hint at in IA10!

Corax put them all down himself, and then headed off to the Eye of Terror because of the guilt he felt, and quite possibly also the need to Revenge Himself on the Traitors that, more or less, 'caused' them to happen...

So, really - bad idea.

Doubly so when you read about just how savage and out of control they really were.

Ok folks: new Carcharodons symbol, or classic Space Sharks?

(For the uninformed)

Space sharks FTW!

Like the new symbol. However i don't see the reason for the name change, are space sharks any sillier than space wolves?

johnstewartjohn wrote:Like the new symbol. However i don't see the reason for the name change, are space sharks any sillier than space wolves?

That was what I thought, too. I do like the look of those models, although they do seem rather uniformly posed, a bit more variety would be nice.

I'll go along with that - Old Name and New Symbol.

Because really, that old Chapter Badge?

Silly.

Well seen as forge world are bringing back old chapters.Think they will ever bring back the rainbow warriors?

I very much prefer the new name.

But then again, I'd also lean towards renaming the Space Wolves "Wolves of Fenris".

Alpharius wrote:Corax put them all down himself, and then headed off to the Eye of Terror because of the quilt he felt, and quite possibly also the need to Revenge Himself on the Traitors that, more or less, 'caused' them to happen...

That's one hell of a quilt, Alpharius.....

I know it's just a typo, but it amused me.

(Abuse of power? No way!)

Yes, it was a heavy burden to have to bear...

johnstewartjohn wrote:Like the new symbol. However i don't see the reason for the name change, are space sharks any sillier than space wolves?

I am leaning toward calling Space Wolves "The Rout" from now on.

1hadhq wrote:The monsters Corax dispatched himself after the Heresy?
Undead?

Alpharius wrote:Not really - they were more like monstrously mutated things, the result of Corax's attempts at cloning Astartes replacements after the Dropsite Massacre.

Sarrazon wrote:

1hadhq wrote:The monsters Corax dispatched himself after the Heresy?
Undead?

Or retcon. I don't believe it's ever actually stated that they're from the monsters, but it's the implication.

1hadhq wrote:The issue I see there is the end of Corax story, before he left he took the duty to end their misery to himself.Each of them.

So either we get "only slightly flawed ones were granted to live" as 'new' fluff, or we get a really murky background where 'experiments barely able to hold a boltgun'
are a valid source of a space marine chapter and the flawed geneseed works for almost 10 millenia...

I for one would prefer a more believable history of the charcharodons(incorrect surely..)/space sharks, but still welcome them into the ranks of the sons of Corax.

Alpharius wrote:

Sarrazon wrote:Apparently the implication in IA10 is that they're founded from the monsters that Corax created.

Now that's a stupid thing to even hint at in IA10!

Corax put them all down himself, and then headed off to the Eye of Terror because of the guilt he felt, and quite possibly also the need to Revenge Himself on the Traitors that, more or less, 'caused' them to happen...

So, really - bad idea.

Doubly so when you read about just how savage and out of control they really were.

I can clear this lot up- It isn't gonna happen. I was going to post this when it was firt mentioned, but we had a powercut and the router turned off.
a) The inquisition would be on them in a matter of seconds.
b) Corax executed/put down each one.
c) They wouldn't give them permission to use thier flawed geneseed.
so, yeah. I think it'd be really cool to be a raven guard sucessor, but IA8 was about raven guard, they've probably gone off to focus on other chapters now.

Corax's legion nearly got wiped out at istvaan, he went back to deliverence with his survivors- under 4% survived. He then used forbidden gene-acceleration to make astartes a lot quicker, but this lead to monsters. They then used them breifly in battle, once herding them ahead to smash an iron warriors fortress. He agreed with the codex astertes and made 3 sucessor chapter- the revilers, raptors and black guard. There are other suspected sucessors, but no others have been confirmed. Corax then killed each monster, locked himself in the highest room of ravenspire, came out a year later saying "nevermore" and departed into the eye of terror.
Just a quick summary as t what happened to the raven guard during the heresy.

I liked most of the armies, especially the pre-heresy stuff- that always looks cool. I found the minotaurs a little uninspiring though.

I really want to see those lightning claws as a conversion kit. I would scoop those up for sure!
Also I would LOVE to see some oldstyle terminator armour!

Well if it hasnt been mentioned the mystery terminator is a conversion work. I cant find th link for the article (and after reading all these posts Im too tired to search for it.)

In regards to the space sharks....i like the new name and I tried using it around my local shop but everyone calls them space sharks...or they knock on a door and say "land shark". The new symbol is way better, Ive been playing this game since the beginning (when Grey Knights were made as a Rogue Trader army) and I could not stand the original symbol. Now....FW bring on the pre-heresy terminator armor!

Small tidbit around the Badab releases, written by FW answering a question by LoreDraconis over at Warseer:

For what it’s worth we would love to create more bionic and cybernetic kits and perhaps in the future we will. We are hoping to produce a model for Armmaneus Valthex the Astral Claws Master of the Forge (who could be used, with a little modification, for other Chapters). We would also like to produce a model for Vaylund Cal although we can’t confirm that at the moment.

Father Gabe wrote:Well if it hasnt been mentioned the mystery terminator is a conversion work. I cant find th link for the article (and after reading all these posts Im too tired to search for it.)

Seems that is not the case:

Tyberos the Red Wake

Harpoon style lighting claws.

Very nice figure, IMHO...except for the skulls. I really hope they are an optional attachment.

Padre^.

Come to think of it, he needs an iron halo made from the jaw of a shark.

puma713 wrote:

Father Gabe wrote:Well if it hasnt been mentioned the mystery terminator is a conversion work. I cant find th link for the article (and after reading all these posts Im too tired to search for it.)

Seems that is not the case:

Tyberos the Red Wake

hmm. Finally! A model with LC's that doesn't have clenched fists! I got so fed up of it I converted my chapter master to be pointing with his left LC.
I would get him for my heresy-era army, but:
the skulls.
the fact that his rules probably come in a £50 book.
the fact that all termie raven guard were killed in the dropsite massacre.
the fact that I already have 3 HQ choices in my army.
I might get him, cut off the skulls, and count him as a TDA sergeant with LC's and +2D6 for armour penetration/rending.

puma713 wrote:

Father Gabe wrote:Well if it hasnt been mentioned the mystery terminator is a conversion work. I cant find th link for the article (and after reading all these posts Im too tired to search for it.)

Seems that is not the case:

Tyberos the Red Wake

I just saw that on the FW site. VERY AWESOME. Guess in a few weeks im going to be doing a FW order...I need this guy, CMDR Culln, and Lugft Huron for my termie collection. Culln and Huron will likely get minor conversions. This bad dude will stay stock.

They should've made each blade of the chainsaws below the fist turn alternatively, in a tearing motion. One going forward and one going back, representing the shredding function of a shark's teeth.

Father Gabe wrote:Well if it hasnt been mentioned the mystery terminator is a conversion work. I cant find th link for the article (and after reading all these posts Im too tired to search for it.)

In regards to the space sharks....i like the new name and I tried using it around my local shop but everyone calls them space sharks...or they knock on a door and say "land shark". The new symbol is way better, Ive been playing this game since the beginning (when Grey Knights were made as a Rogue Trader army) and I could not stand the original symbol. Now....FW bring on the pre-heresy terminator armor!

Carcharodon? I was sure I heard that before in conjunction with sharks. Oh yeah, the scientific name for a Great White Shark is Carcharodon carcharias, so lame lame lame GW

Brotherjulian wrote:

Father Gabe wrote:Well if it hasnt been mentioned the mystery terminator is a conversion work. I cant find th link for the article (and after reading all these posts Im too tired to search for it.)

In regards to the space sharks....i like the new name and I tried using it around my local shop but everyone calls them space sharks...or they knock on a door and say "land shark". The new symbol is way better, Ive been playing this game since the beginning (when Grey Knights were made as a Rogue Trader army) and I could not stand the original symbol. Now....FW bring on the pre-heresy terminator armor!

Carcharodon? I was sure I heard that before in conjunction with sharks. Oh yeah, the scientific name for a Great White Shark is Carcharodon carcharias, so lame lame lame GW

They'll always be the Space Sharks to me. Puerto Rican marines as talented at dance as they are at war. Eternal rivals of the Space Jets.

Are you serious?!! How over the top is that Termie... Not only does he have a pair of lightning claws and dual chain fists. But his lightning claws have little metal dorsal fins on them!!!

Why yes, he will make a fine replacement for my missing Salamanders assault terminator sergeant.

Sersi wrote:Are you serious?!! How over the top is that Termie... Not only does he have a pair of lightning claws and dual chain fists. But his lightning claws have little metal dorsal fins on them!!!

Count them again there are 4 chain blades.

Brotherjulian wrote:2nd ed wargear book? I have it right here...
"Tactical Dreadnaught armour or Terminator armour, as it is more commonly known, is without doubt the toughest personal armour in the galaxy. The armour is massively bulky and contains a full exo-skeleton arrangement of fiber bundles and adamantium rods to support the heavy gauge plasteel and ceramite plates that form the outer carapace. The Adeptus Mechanicus has designed a number of particularly devastating weapons to be used in conjunction with Terminator armour including storm bolters, heavy flamers, assault cannon, and the deadly cyclone missile launcher. Terminator suits are valuable and often very old so they are reserved for use by proven veterans of the already highly trained Imperial Space Marine chapters"

No mention that it's lost technology. I skipped the technical stuff about armor saves and stuff (tired of typing) but that's all of the fluff

I have the Space Hulk 3rd Edition 2009 Book here and i Quote.....

"With painful memories of the Blood Angels defeat at Secoris, it was decided to commit only the Chapter's Terminators against the enemies aboard the Sin of Damnation. Over the long Centuries, the 1st Company had been rebuilt and Terminator armour repaired and constructed."


I would say that was some conclusive proof that Terminator Blueprints are still knocking around on the Mechanicums dusty book shelves.

It's theoretically possible that some widget in the armor is no longer able to be produced, but there's stocks of it and
'new' suits can be constructed as long as these widgets don't run out.

This guy is gonna be an upgrade to my termie squad IF the heresy-era termies come out.
This guy will then be the 5th made-up unit in my army.

But in my heart, he will forever be a space shark.
I still don't like the skulls.

Mad4Minis wrote:

brettz123 wrote:Should be interesting to see what forge world comes up with for pre-heresy terminator armor. The new artwork is much better than the old terminators they made.

Id prefer if GW and not FW did them. Im not sure Id buy them from FW...their quality is extremely sketchy, especially in smaller stuff. If they were really cool and decently priced I might take the chance...maybe...

I have a lot of Forge World infantry models (about 100) and not a single one had any problems?

I've bought...7...but no problems with them. I've heard that the rhino & LR doors don't fit and the TH is warped sometimes, but nothing about infrantry.

Meh, I don't really get amped up over the space marine models. I do like the claws though.

shrike wrote:I've bought...7...but no problems with them. I've heard that the rhino & LR doors don't fit and the TH is warped sometimes, but nothing about infrantry.

Indeed. I've only encountered problems with 2 infantry models from them and both were misaligned molds, something that's as common an occurrence with metals from GW(more so with regards to the metal Thousand Sons arms).

I've just realised whats missing from this miniature.

Surely, as a Special Character of the Space Sharks, he should be riding a shark!?!

Such a glaring oversight FW, I am dissappoint...

Platuan4th wrote:

shrike wrote:I've bought...7...but no problems with them. I've heard that the rhino & LR doors don't fit and the TH is warped sometimes, but nothing about infrantry.

Indeed. I've only encountered problems with 2 infantry models from them and both were misaligned molds, something that's as common an occurrence with metals from GW(more so with regards to the metal Thousand Sons arms).

I ordered some chaos renegades, the militia command and enforcers...they were ok. Not too bad flaw wise, but the thinner parts were extremely fragile and bendy.

Ive had some other things from them that were terrible, and some that were great. FW quality seems to be a crap shoot. I blame it more on a quality control (or lack there of) than anything else. It seems they just cast things, package and ship them with little or no inspection before it leaves the factory.

That being said, as soon as I have the money Ill be picking up 3 term characters from FW. Guess Ill roll the dice one more time...


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shrike wrote:
I still don't like the skulls.

The ones hanging form his waist? Ill agree. Im debating whether or not Ill be removing them when I get mine.