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Post by: Natfka
I just read that the Sisters of Battle model will be veiled according to the rumor mill. Here is a link about it via stickmonkey
http://natfka.blogspot.com/2011/01/new-sisters-of-battle-details.html
"I got to get a good look at a new protoype basic sister, and I'm hoping one of our other sources can sneak a picture out once they see it. The reason is, this sister has a "veil". Words cannot describe...the detailing is phenomenal. The veil is a separate piece, but it looks gorgeous. If they can get this right in molding the sisters wave will be beautiful models. If you've seen this one, you know what I mean... I begged to take a photo for here, but no luck"
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Post by: johnstewartjohn
Why would the veil be separate piece if it covers the face? Why not just have the veils moulded on some spare heads on the sprue? Really don’t understand this rumour.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Actually, this obscure blog quotes a post from Warseer which is much better known here. The full quote goes like this:
stickmonkey wrote:I'm posting this in the rumor section on purpose, but it's more of a review.
I got to get a good look at a new protoype basic sister, and I'm hoping one of our other sources can sneak a picture out once they see it. The reason is, this sister has a "veil". Words cannot describe...the detailing is phenomenal. The veil is a separate piece, but it looks gorgeous. If they can get this right in molding the sisters wave will be beautiful models. If you've seen this one, you know what I mean... I begged to take a photo for here, but no luck.
The model maintains the existing armor styling, but with more filigree. Little details like lace boot tops, small details in the armor. Look at the evolution of daemonettes to wyches, and think what the next step would be.
The bolters however are now streamlined, they are not the marine bolter we've known and loved, but still recognizable. Feminine.
I know I'm getting folks worked up, but sisters are still a long way off, it will be a long wait. So temper any enthusiasm.
Maybe someone can convince him to do a sketch. Worked with Pumbagore 
Another cryptic rumour by him in another thread:
On the sisters front, women in armor move slower than men, but they look better doing it. Sisters like their rides.
Let's hope, that
1.) this thread doesn't derail into off topic flame feasts like most other Sororitas threads
2.) most people now believe that Sororitas will not be discontinued
3.) people realize that the Sororitas release is still far off and there will not be more rumours or confirmations for quite some time.
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Post by: Flashman
All very interesting, but I hope they don't make them too girly.
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Post by: Kroothawk
No way!
And as I don't know where to fit all other vague rumours by stickmonkey, I put them here, so we have more to talk about:
SM January rumor post
Nothing positive here...
My sources are saying GK may be much later this year. Sources say that because the DE release was so successful, that's why we are seeing a shuffling to get more DE models out sooner. More a financial decision than production from what I'm hearing. Hope it's not true.
And now for something new,
On the Tau front, sources say ethereals will have a much bigger presence on the battle field and new roles to fill.
On the necron front, sources say the dead will rise when the souls come out to play this year.
On the SM front, Woe be the small pale man who ignores the ides of march, especially when they come early.
On the sisters front, women in armor move slower than men, but they look better doing it. Sisters like their rides.
Happy new year,
StickMonkey
Small pale man -> White Dwarf article with rules that SM can take Storm Raven?
Necron release November (around Halloween)?
The Grey Knight part is already discussed in the Grey Knight thread.
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Post by: The Dreadnote
Should be interesting if true.
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Post by: pretre
Yay for SOB news. I'm not sure how the veils will work, but I'm excited for news.
And don't sweat the Sisters thread curse too much. Someone's been away since early december and things have been nice and quiet.
Edit: And just noticed that bunch of rumors down lower. Hmm...
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Post by: BrookM
I remember Dan writing a story about a trio of Sisters hunting down one of their own, two of them wore veils as a sign of seniority and veterancy IIRC.
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Post by: Padre
pretre wrote:Yay for SOB news. I'm not sure how the veils will work, but I'm excited for news.
And don't sweat the Sisters thread curse too much. Someone's been away since early december and things have been nice and quiet.
Let's hope that state of affairs continues.... 
Also, stickmonkey's rumours...can someone explain how "Woe be the small pale man who ignores the ides of march, especially when they come early" translates into StormRavens for all Marines? 
Padre^.
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Post by: BrassScorpion
Is this like the "no top knots but they do have high pony tails" reports from last summer on the new Dark Eldar? LOL. This "rumor" hardly seems worth reporting, but I guess with so little info on the particular topic at the moment anything about that model range seems interesting. Keep in mind, even if the report has some veracity, by the time of the release things could look very different.
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Post by: Revarien
Padre wrote:
stickmonkey's rumours...can someone explain how "Woe be the small pale man who ignores the ides of march, especially when they come early" translates into StormRavens for all Marines?
Just saw the back inside cover of this month's White Dwarf (the Skaven cover one)... it's got big ole' letters about the Skies being full (can't remember the text exactly, but I remember thinking that it confirms a lot of the flyer talk), with a pic of some old school blood angles rampaging across a battle field with some thunderhawks lighting up the back field (or maybe they were just proportioned storm ravens).
My thoughts are that it means 'woe to infantry when stuff is released before the month of march'... or I'm just connecting something totally unrelated. Damnable brain!
As for the sisters: If they release them and I'm not done painting my 2.5k pewter army by then.... *sigh* I'll have to add some of the plastic ladies to my ranks... so long as they still look tough as nails (I don't mind a pretty face and all... and yes some of the pewter ones suffer from 'horse-face syndrome', but by god they all look like they could kick ass).
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Post by: BrassScorpion
The advert in the back of the new White Dwarf is for the Blood Angels release, stated there to be January 29. That includes the Stormraven. Next summer's supposed flier extravaganza has nothing to do with it.
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Post by: Revarien
BrassScorpion wrote:The advert in the back of the new White Dwarf is for the Blood Angels release, stated there to be January 29. That includes the Stormraven. Next summer's supposed flier extravaganza has nothing to do with it.
That quote was from last year... so this up coming summer is 'next summer'...
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Post by: Brother SRM
I don't really believe much from Stickmonkey; the veils sound kind of hokey.
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Post by: AlexHolker
Kroothawk wrote:Another cryptic rumour by him in another thread:
On the sisters front, women in armor move slower than men, but they look better doing it. Sisters like their rides.
Apparently this is a reference to Dominion squads.
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Post by: Ouze
I'm definitely stoked about a sexy sisters remake. I hope they get garters.
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Post by: Reecius
Veils?
I'll hold judgment, but not sounding too cool at fist.
Make cool sisters in plastic and they well sell, but if they have veils at all, please oh please keep them a separate piece that is not necessary for construction.
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Post by: filbert
Wouldn't it be more likely, given the trend in the recent plastic sprue releases, that there will be a veiled head option, along with the more 'standard' heads?
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Post by: AlexHolker
filbert wrote:Wouldn't it be more likely, given the trend in the recent plastic sprue releases, that there will be a veiled head option, along with the more 'standard' heads?
That's what Stickmonkey suggested in the first place, that the veil will be some kind of add-on bit for the regular head. Good thing too, as I reckon I'll prefer to use the bare heads.
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Post by: Necroagogo
Ouze wrote:I'm definitely stoked about a sexy sisters remake. I hope they get garters.
Shhh ... you'll wake Melissia
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Post by: BrookM
I'm curious about how the veils will look. Will it be a throwback to their old title of "Daughters of the Emperor' (wedding veil) or a more burka styled thing.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Hang on, or the classic Catholic nun veil thing.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Yep, you got it.
Has been done before:
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Post by: BrookM
Right, good call, forgot about the Sister Hospitaler. That wouldn't look half bad on a unit of sisters.
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Post by: Kanluwen
I kind of hope they're getting a coif or some kind of mailed headpiece rather than just a habit.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Yeah I really hope it's not a Habit either.
I mean, I know the Adeptus Ministorum is the Catholic Church IN SPAAAAACE but do we need to copy the Catholic imagery that closely?
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Post by: BrookM
Nein nein nein, they are Catholic Space Nazis, in Space ja? I do hope they have stiletto boots und sharp faces with the scars and please dear Jes, better hairstyles.
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Post by: SkaerKrow
Aw, I rather like the bob hairstyles of the Sisters. It's a good compromise between style and function.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
My aunt had that hairstyle for years, so whenever I saw a Sister of Battle army it just looked like rows and rows of my aunt.
Very weird.
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Post by: porkuslime
I like it.. a sense of flow and movement would be nice for the Sisters.
-P
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Post by: BrookM
They look like dorks now, not something that's making you scream "punish me I have sinned"
Wait, is Jes still the guy who is doing these plastics?
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Post by: SkaerKrow
Huh, I wonder if that's a difference in region. You don't usually see dorky older women with bob cuts over here. They're usually reserved for hipster chicks and ex-goths.
At least in my experience of spending time with hipsters and goths. 
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Post by: Kanluwen
BrookM wrote:Nein nein nein, they are Catholic Space Nazis, in Space ja? I do hope they have stiletto boots und sharp faces with the scars and please dear Jes, better hairstyles.
THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS!
I hope they do away with the stilettos. I really do.
Standard boots, but with a more platemail like "sabaton" look connecting to the greaves would just look so much better.
In fact, if the Sisters' power armor were made to resemble  or  (the second with the faulds brought in closer to the body rather than the "hoop skirt" appearance they've got going there).
I think there'd be a hell of a lot less "why is Sister armor looking like carapace, but gives power armor saves?" debates! 
Well, plus(I at least) think it would be a better overall look, rather than just the "tightened power armor" look they've got going now.
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Post by: BrookM
Nonsense, if going for such flat and unflattering shapes we might as well just get regular Astartes kits with girly heads instead of the current grizzled baldies.
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Post by: Kanluwen
BrookM wrote:Nonsense, if going for such flat and unflattering shapes we might as well just get regular Astartes kits with girly heads instead of the current grizzled baldies.
But that's where the filigree and embossing work we see on the Sisters differentiates them from the Astartes.
Even the basic Sister has scrollwork and embossing that makes Astartes Captains look underdecorated.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
I hope Jess has a complete mental breakdown and goes bat-gak insane in the next few days and suddenly decides that the Inverse Armour Law needs to be applied to Sisters.
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Post by: AlexHolker
Kanluwen wrote:I hope they do away with the stilettos. I really do.
I don't believe they've ever had high heels, outside of Blanche's artwork. Thank God.
H.B.M.C. wrote:I hope Jess has a complete mental breakdown and goes bat-gak insane in the next few days and suddenly decides that the Inverse Armour Law needs to be applied to Sisters.
Don't be silly, that's what the Repentia are for.
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Post by: BrookM
H.B.M.C. wrote:I hope Jess has a complete mental breakdown and goes bat-gak insane in the next few days and suddenly decides that the Inverse Armour Law needs to be applied to Sisters.
I wouldn't go that far but some nice heels would be grand. Unless the fluff gets another major overhaul and the new "Ann Summers" pattern Sororitas armour are all the rage.
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Post by: Vitruvian XVII
These rumours are interesting, SoB sound like they could be cool if done correctly.
'Ides of March' refers to the 15th of March (and the day when Caesar was killed by Brutus), so id imagine hes talking about SM stuff coming at the beginning of March. 'Small pale man' could be WD, why woe would come to WD i dont know though??
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Post by: BrookM
Chances are: Storm Raven rules for everyone. You can't have the flying Pug for just the Blood Angels and the future Grey Knights now can they?
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Post by: 1hadhq
On the sisters front, women in armor move slower than men, but they look better doing it. Sisters like their rides.
2 things.
move slower
When was there a different movement in 40k?
Or is this a hint at ini = 3, thus "slower than men, ie SM"
like their rides
Please No cavalry. Maybe bikes.
Additionaly, the tourny plate posted in this thread isn't going anywhere when more detail and filigree is mentioned as style of their armor.
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Post by: BrookM
Maybe the rides thing is a reference to even more blinged up Rhinos and Exorcists?
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Post by: Alpharius
I3 is a good guess!
And that 'rides' thing had better be some rhino variant, and not Sisters riding... er... never mind.
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Post by: BrookM
A Rhino variant with even more flamers on them? Or maybe if we're lucky they'll turn the Repressor into a plastic kit.
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Post by: Old Man Yarrik
H.B.M.C. wrote:My aunt had that hairstyle for years, so whenever I saw a Sister of Battle army it just looked like rows and rows of my aunt.
Very weird.
sigged
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Post by: puma713
1hadhq wrote:On the sisters front, women in armor move slower than men, but they look better doing it. Sisters like their rides.
2 things.
move slower
When was there a different movement in 40k?
Or is this a hint at ini = 3, thus "slower than men, ie SM"
Could just mean "are coming out after" the men. Meaning, after GK or maybe another SM codex ( DA or Templars). *shrug*
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Post by: 1hadhq
Gk > necrons > SM flavor ? > xeno flavor ? > SoB isn't impossible, but why add "look better doing it" ?
IIRC we do not expect SoB soon.
So "to be slower" doesn't add much when related to release dates but it makes sense related to stat-changes.
There is hope "like their rides" translates into highly detailed kits, but I do like Alpharius line of thinking....
Renamed SR FTW 
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Post by: Platuan4th
1hadhq wrote:
When was there a different movement in 40k?
Second Ed. Just sayin.
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Post by: wyomingfox
Stickmonkey edited his WarSeer post:
Stickmonkey wrote:EDITED:
I've had a chance to gather notes and thoughts a bit more now that I've completed my work today and had time to get a pint and a bite...
So to clarify a few bits.
The lace, is not laces, its lace around the top of the boot. at the knee. the model has like a pirate style boot and the lace is around the top edge..or thats my take away of what it was.
The bolter is still most certainly a bolter, but look at the existing line, the bolters are disproportioned...especially the bolt pistols...to the models. the new ones are much more like the AoBR SM bolters. With straps, etc. and are separate pieces from arms. they "look" slighty thinner than a SM bolter and have a different shape to the over all gun, but they are not "Girly" i did not have a SM handy to compare directly, so it could just be impression. Also, they have abandoned the banana clip completely it seems.
the veil covered the whole head, its an alternate to the helmet, the face piece is just separate. think cobra commander vs vera wang wedding.
the torso has small details in the corset, i think skulls.
the tabard between the legs had flur de lis details.
there are "sleeves" similar to the image on 19 of the current WH book. similar, but not identical.
I'll reiterate this is a prototype though, not what has necessarily been approved. But as a beta stage model, i really like it, and I think a teaser of it would really build up excitement...hint hint GW overlords... Maybe wait til closer to release...
Overall when i see the current sisters their are very "bulky" these new ones are very graceful, but in a brutal way. the poses are much more dynamic and agressive. not everyone has their feet planted shoulder width apart torso straight on to their opponents....
I was told there will be numerous head options for the sisters, in the way theyve been doing all releases, but the "bob cut" is the preferred hairstyle.
I'm also told sisters repentia, priests, celestians, and seraphim will get new models with seraphim likely to adopt jump packs similar to the sanguinary guard...though I saw no evidence of this. No word on arco flaggelants.
Penitent engine is getting reworked as well.
And of course you saw my Jan rumor post. To provide a clue, Dominion squads.
Inq forces should all be updated by the GK release, so no news there for SoB, but they are expected to be present in the codex.
I also know of a few more "new" units that are being developed.
Cheers.
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Post by: redstripe
H.B.M.C. wrote:I hope Jess has a complete mental breakdown and goes bat-gak insane in the next few days and suddenly decides that the Inverse Armour Law needs to be applied to Sisters.
Let's not do that. One of the greatest features of the Sisters of Battle is that they were able to buck this stereotype. Giving them power-armor bikinis would just make them ridiculous.
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Post by: Gargskull
Sister's riding ponies, it'll happen.
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Post by: BrassScorpion
Gargskull wrote:Sister's riding ponies, it'll happen.
Not just any ponies, My Little Ponies, or maybe Apocalypse Ponies, or perhaps Rending Ponies.
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Post by: Prophecy07
Kanluwen wrote:
In fact, if the Sisters' power armor were made to resemble or
Sorry to derail the thread, but I think I must be going insane. It's either that, or that particular suit of armor has a METAL MUSTACHE.
The far-off crack you will be hearing shortly is the sound of my mind breaking. It has actually already broken, you just haven't heard it yet. Pesky speed-of-sound.
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Post by: AlexHolker
Prophecy07 wrote:Sorry to derail the thread, but I think I must be going insane. It's either that, or that particular suit of armor has a METAL MUSTACHE.
Of course. A hair moustache would just look silly.
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Post by: Alpharius
GW probably feels that they have to keep the SoB models more than a little 'sexy' due to the market that they are aiming at...
So, if that's what you want, I don't think you'll have much to worry about.
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Post by: BrookM
I don't know man, if they don't have heels I'll have to boycott them something fierce and then some.
re: Metal moustache: Back in the day it was very common to go mad with details on the higher end sets of armour. The Royal Armouries in the UK have an example of an ornate helmet complete with faux glasses and a dribble of snot running from the nose.
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Post by: Samus_aran115
Neat rumours. Hopefully that veil isn't attached to the face, I need woman heads. But he said it wasn't. So yay
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Post by: FM Ninja 048
Kroothawk wrote:Yep, you got it.
Has been done before:
hmmm, a bit big, sisters rumours are all good though
hey, that sister doesn't have a power-pack
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Post by: aka_mythos
1hadhq wrote:On the sisters front, women in armor move slower than men, but they look better doing it. Sisters like their rides.
2 things.
move slower
When was there a different movement in 40k?
Or is this a hint at ini = 3, thus "slower than men, ie SM"
like their rides
Please No cavalry. Maybe bikes.
Additionaly, the tourny plate posted in this thread isn't going anywhere when more detail and filigree is mentioned as style of their armor.
It certainly sounds like GW is trying to differntiate them more from the Astartes and show just because a normal human wears power armor they do everything better.
2nd ed. aside, the current 40k edition has rules that effectively create lower rates of movement. The most common is the obliterators movement rules "slow and purposeful"... but there are also instances of that to a lesser degree where that type of roll and move is only applied in either the assault or movement and not in both. Another way I could see them more marginally reduce the sisters movement to make them slower is to take away the ability to "Run". Automatically Appended Next Post: FM Ninja 048 wrote:hey, that sister doesn't have a power-pack
Isn't that a henchmen model... so I think its only suppose to be carapace.
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Post by: Kanluwen
I like the idea of the Sisters moving slower, provided it gives them some kind of bonus for their flame weaponry.
Why?
Because it fits with the mental image I've always had of them. Slow, confident, and setting every bloody thing in their path that offends their Faith ablaze.
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Post by: HoverBoy
Slower could mean slow and purpocefull.
As much as i hate to bringing this up they looked to be doing it in the Soulstorm intro.
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Post by: skrulnik
So Retributor squads with Heavy Flamers, Multimeltas, and Move-shoot would be useful.
It would let you bail out of your transport and fire, which extends the threat bubble a bit.
EDIT-- am I mixing up relentless and S&P? Having both would do what I said above, I guess.
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Post by: andrewm9
skrulnik wrote:
EDIT-- am I mixing up relentless and S&P? Having both would do what I said above, I guess.
Slow and Purposeful gives you relentless but all terrain is like moving through difficult terrain. I think Stick Monkey was referring to Dominion Squads however sayign that Sisters will be comign out after moar marines but they are going to have sweet rides
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Post by: Alpharius
aka_mythos wrote:
FM Ninja 048 wrote:hey, that sister doesn't have a power-pack
Isn't that a henchmen model... so I think its only suppose to be carapace.
Good catch - it actually is a WH Inquisitor henchman - the Chirurgeon, I think?
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Post by: andrewm9
Alpharius wrote:aka_mythos wrote:
FM Ninja 048 wrote:hey, that sister doesn't have a power-pack
Isn't that a henchmen model... so I think its only suppose to be carapace.
Good catch - it actually is a WH Inquisitor henchman - the Chirurgeon, I think?
Yes but she is a Sister Hospitaller. The model comes dripping with fleur de lys' all over. What she is wearing is a wimple on her head and respirator mask on her mouth not a veil at all. There are a few older (and terribly drawn IMO) pictures of Sisters with wimple like head gear so its not too far fetched to see some battle sisters wearing it. Why Sisters would wear it on the battlefield I don't know though. Then again its the same universe where most SM leaders of any stripe don't put on helmets so YMMV.
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Post by: VikingScott
Stickmonkey wrote:Penitent engine is getting reworked as well.
I like the curent Penitent Engines. Except the fact they're in metal.
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Post by: wyomingfox
HoverBoy wrote:Slower could mean slow and purpocefull.
As much as i hate to bringing this up they looked to be doing it in the Soulstorm intro.
Stick Monkey provided two clues:
On the sisters front, women in armor move slower than men, but they look better doing it. Sisters like their rides.
And of course you saw my Jan rumor post. To provide a clue, Dominion squads.
Given the latest clue, you could be on the right track
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Post by: Mithrax
Probably hinting at Repressors for the Dominions.
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Post by: aka_mythos
Slow and purposeful for their heavy weapon squads would be interesting and distinctive from marines. I think something like S&P might be a little hard to justify on basic squads... which I'd rather just see some other form of slowed movement.
FM Ninja 048 wrote:Yes but she is a Sister Hospitaller.
Sister Hospitallers I believe aren't technically "Sisters of Battle." They may be administrated by the same organization, but so are EMT and Police in a lot places; doesn't mean they're gonna be equipped identically. GW could always change things
Automatically Appended Next Post: VikingScott wrote:
Stickmonkey wrote:Penitent engine is getting reworked as well.
I like the curent Penitent Engines. Except the fact they're in metal.
Other than the fact Grey Knights are suppose to get something similar enough to be a variant and GW might have those bits on the sprue, I don't think it'd see too much of a change. The only other changes I could see them make would just be too add more options and upgrades that would have to fit in the kit.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
I can't imagine 'slower' will be Slow & Purposeful. 5th Ed may allow for things to be slower, but why would they be slower than Guardsmen? It's got to mean I3.
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Post by: Flashman
Doesn't it just mean they'll be released later than Grey Knights? That was my interpretation
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Post by: MajorTom11
Don't know if it's been said before, but Hospitalers are Soriatas, just not a millitant order. So still a sister.
As to the hair, I don't know why the entire army needs to have the same haircut, a little variety would be good no? Hope they don't just make a new plastic row of HBMC's aunts lol
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Post by: Kanluwen
Why wouldn't an order of cloistered space nuns have roughly identical haircuts?
They live their lives as members of a tightly regimented and ordered organization. I don't think they really get a choice when it comes to haircuts.
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Post by: 1hadhq
Hospitallers are organized in their own lesser ordos IIRC. They may just know how to defend themselves. Surely no offensive frontline service expected of them.
They could however be part of a HQ squad like Guard medics.
If its S&P, its not heavy squads if the rumor is about dominions isn't it?
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Kanluwen wrote:Why wouldn't an order of cloistered space nuns have roughly identical haircuts?
They live their lives as members of a tightly regimented and ordered organization. I don't think they really get a choice when it comes to haircuts.
There ain't no 'casual Friday' in the Adeptus Sororitas.
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Post by: Kanluwen
H.B.M.C. wrote:Kanluwen wrote:Why wouldn't an order of cloistered space nuns have roughly identical haircuts?
They live their lives as members of a tightly regimented and ordered organization. I don't think they really get a choice when it comes to haircuts.
There ain't no 'casual Friday' in the Adeptus Sororitas.
Well, there is. But it's also immediately followed by "Scourging Saturdays".
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Post by: MajorTom11
Kanluwen wrote:Why wouldn't an order of cloistered space nuns have roughly identical haircuts?
They live their lives as members of a tightly regimented and ordered organization. I don't think they really get a choice when it comes to haircuts.
It's not that I think it is impossible or anything, just that it sucks lol. There is no other precedent in 40k for such dictatorial uniformity on haircuts lol. Forgetting arguments of fluff in either directions, I would just like it better if there were some variety in the bits and look options is all. For me, having them all with identical hair is just boring is all.
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Post by: Kanluwen
MajorTom11 wrote:Kanluwen wrote:Why wouldn't an order of cloistered space nuns have roughly identical haircuts?
They live their lives as members of a tightly regimented and ordered organization. I don't think they really get a choice when it comes to haircuts.
It's not that I think it is impossible or anything, just that it sucks lol. There is no other precedent in 40k for such dictatorial uniformity on haircuts lol. Forgetting arguments of fluff in either directions, I would just like it better if there were some variety in the bits and look options is all. For me, having them all with identical hair is just boring is all.
Uh...the Astartes shaving their heads(barring a few exceptions), uniform haircuts for Guardsmen upon induction, etc...
The Imperium and its organizations are a big stickler for uniformity amongst its employees.
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Post by: HoverBoy
MajorTom11 wrote:There is no other precedent in 40k for such dictatorial uniformity on haircuts lol.
which does well to further emphatise the fanatical aspect of the faction.
Still wish they would switch to a better style tho.
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Post by: Pyriel-
I remember Dan writing a story about a trio of Sisters hunting down one of their own, two of them wore veils as a sign of seniority and veterancy IIRC.
Werent those sisters of silence?
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Post by: andrewm9
Pyriel- wrote:I remember Dan writing a story about a trio of Sisters hunting down one of their own, two of them wore veils as a sign of seniority and veterancy IIRC.
Werent those sisters of silence?
Yes it was.
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Post by: Mannahnin
I like the sounds of these rumors. I agree that "slower" probably means either I3, or just that they're coming out after the Grey Knights.
As for the hair, in my neck of the woods that cut's more associated with goth chicks and some indy/punk girls, as one of the earlier posts indicated. I suspect it must have been the same for Jes in the 80s or early 90s when he came up with it. At this point I expect they'd keep it at least for compatibility with all the existing art and models.
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Post by: MajorTom11
Kanluwen wrote:MajorTom11 wrote:Kanluwen wrote:Why wouldn't an order of cloistered space nuns have roughly identical haircuts?
They live their lives as members of a tightly regimented and ordered organization. I don't think they really get a choice when it comes to haircuts.
It's not that I think it is impossible or anything, just that it sucks lol. There is no other precedent in 40k for such dictatorial uniformity on haircuts lol. Forgetting arguments of fluff in either directions, I would just like it better if there were some variety in the bits and look options is all. For me, having them all with identical hair is just boring is all.
Uh...the Astartes shaving their heads(barring a few exceptions), uniform haircuts for Guardsmen upon induction, etc...
The Imperium and its organizations are a big stickler for uniformity amongst its employees.
Astartes standard haircuts? Lots of buzzcuts and short, as expected since they arent clubbing and trying to pick up chicks lol, but plenty of variety too man come on. Mephiston? Rick James Sanguinor? Pretty much any space wolf? Topknots? Shaved? Short?
For guard as well, there are options of style, they are all short though but their is the buzz cut, shaved, partially shaved, slightly coiffed etc.
Sorry but I don't accept the argument that uniform haircuts are a 'rule' in the Imperium. Again, it's not really even about fluff, I just dont wan't a line with 50 identical slim female heads with bobs. A ponytail, topknot or whatever wouldn't be the end of the world lol.
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Post by: andrewm9
MajorTom11 wrote:
I just dont wan't a line with 50 identical slim female heads with bobs. A ponytail, topknot or whatever wouldn't be the end of the world lol.
I don't either but for different reasons. I want helmets! Helmets for my Sisters please. I think the of the 7 different standard sisters inly 2 in 7 are helmeted. I have no idea what the actual frequency is since more of some poses may be cast than others.
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Post by: pretre
Mannahnin wrote:As for the hair, in my neck of the woods that cut's more associated with goth chicks and some indy/punk girls, as one of the earlier posts indicated. I suspect it must have been the same for Jes in the 80s or early 90s when he came up with it. At this point I expect they'd keep it at least for compatibility with all the existing art and models.
New England is about 20 years behind the times.
On Topic: I'm all for Indy/Punk/Goth gun-toting nuns. That's kind of why I started the army.
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Post by: A Black Ram
New rumor : They will look similar to Attila the Hun. Same hat, but with the Fleur de as the spike on the helmet..
..No, I lied. I'm just trying to say this is still really early to be talking about the sisters..
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Post by: BrookM
andrewm9 wrote:Pyriel- wrote:I remember Dan writing a story about a trio of Sisters hunting down one of their own, two of them wore veils as a sign of seniority and veterancy IIRC.
Werent those sisters of silence?
Yes it was.
No, they talked. Or at least their leader did.
edit.
I'm not talking about that HH short story with sister Leilani buying the farm but rather a short story from uhm.. ah! "Tales from the Dark Millennium"
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Post by: Melkhiordarkblade
I just really hope the Sisters of Battle update and come out in plastic. I really like them.
I even like Soulstorm just because I can play as them.
Like they don't sell ANY SoB unit in the GWs I visited.
Plus they were all metal,that would be a nightmare to work with for A FULL ARMY.
Plus a nice new Exorcist would be a dream come true,seriously I'd buy two,one as an Exorcist the other as a giant organ for the top of my Land Raider.
But yeah new stuff and plastic are long overdue,with something like this more people will play as them and they won't be as looked down on as before.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Melkhiordarkblade wrote:I just really hope the Sisters of Battle update and come out in plastic. I really like them.
Oh I wouldn't worry about that. We're long past the days where new armies were made predominantly in metal. All-plastic is the new black, so to speak. If the Sister release is anything like the Dark Eldar release (although I doubt it would be on the same scale), then we're in for some good times ahead. Yes, there will always be metal models - miniautres that are expected to sell in low quantities like special characters are done in metal as it's more economical that way - but for the bread and butter units, it's going to be plastic all the way.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Just to clarify:
Sisters Hospitallers are part of the Adepta Sororitas. The latter is divided into Ordo Militaris and several civil orders, a.o. Ordo Hospitalis (surgeons, nurses), Ordo Dialogis (sages, advisors, translators) and Ordo Famulus (servants and advisors of the nobility). The Codex lists the names of several military and civil orders on Ophelia VII (Convent Sanctorum) and Terra (Convent Prioris). Both Ordo Hospitalis and Ordo Dialogis have exactly one miniature in the Witchhunter's retinue plus rules in the Codex for them:
Sister Hospitaller (above right):
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440303a&prodId=prod1110092
Sister Dialogis (left, listed under Elite):
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440304a&prodId=prod1110149
And I also understand stickmonkey hints that at least the Dominion squad is slow and purposeful.
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Post by: LavuranGuard
You can bet on plastics very soon, I just bought a load of metal ones!
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
LavuranGuard wrote:You can bet on plastics very soon, I just bought a load of metal ones!
I don't think Murphy's Law will work when it comes to GW.
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Post by: hushrong
Hearing news about the Sisters is nice. I have always liked the helmeted sisters a bit more though so I am not too keen on the veil idea.
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Post by: AlexHolker
Kroothawk wrote:And I also understand stickmonkey hints that at least the Dominion squad is slow and purposeful.
Slow and purposeful is a stupid rule. Random movement is not purposeful.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Nor fun.
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Post by: dienekes96
I'm quite excited for Sister plastics. The original design in 1997 was quite good, and I'd love to see them updated. I liked the description, and I'm always up for a Jes redesign. I loved the DE models, although I have no interest in collecting them. I will collect SOB though. Veils, no veils...I'm always up for options.
Regarding the haircut, I've always wanted a page haircut. I wish they had done the Living Saint with a page cut. But I assume they'll keep a fairly uniform look. But like Marines, maybe a few different hairstyles would play well. But I'm not expecting it.
As for a timeframe, that is easy. The fall release with a long buildup worked well for DE, so I imagine they'll do the same. It won't be fall of 2011, so I would put money on the fall of 2012 if they can get the models working.
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Post by: AlexHolker
dienekes96 wrote:As for a timeframe, that is easy. The fall release with a long buildup worked well for DE, so I imagine they'll do the same. It won't be fall of 2011, so I would put money on the fall of 2012 if they can get the models working.
Why do you say such hurtful things?
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Post by: dienekes96
I wish it would be sooner as well. But I've seen companies get superstitious about dates. Once The Dark Knight made $500 million opening the third Friday in July, guess when Warner Brothers started releasing their big summer movies...like clockwork.
Harry Potter 6 - third Friday in July 2009
Inception - same director (= same selling point) - third Friday in July 2010
Harry Potter 7 (pt. 1) - third Friday in July 2011
And surprise, surprise...guess when The Dark Knight Rises is scheduled to open in 2012. One guess should be enough.
So anyways, if the DE sold well, I'd wager that GW will link some of that success to the fall (post-Games Day UK) release. So that just makes sense for Sisters. I truly hope it is sooner.
But I wouldn't expect it sooner.
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Post by: Pyriel-
No, they talked. Or at least their leader did.
edit.
I'm not talking about that HH short story with sister Leilani buying the farm but rather a short story from uhm.. ah! "Tales from the Dark Millennium"
Hmm, you got me interested.
Was the story taking place on a space ship (one of the sisters did talk even)?
The story I remember was a "short" one, part of a novelle collection, just dont remember what it was about otehr then sisters of silence on a space ship, possible a black ship and I think tehy were hunting for renegade psychers being on the loose.
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Post by: BrookM
Pyriel- wrote:No, they talked. Or at least their leader did.
edit.
I'm not talking about that HH short story with sister Leilani buying the farm but rather a short story from uhm.. ah! "Tales from the Dark Millennium"
Hmm, you got me interested.
Was the story taking place on a space ship (one of the sisters did talk even)?
The story I remember was a "short" one, part of a novelle collection, just dont remember what it was about otehr then sisters of silence on a space ship, possible a black ship and I think tehy were hunting for renegade psychers being on the loose.
The story I am referring to does NOT take place during the HH or on a ship with the Sisters of Silence hunting down a future Leilani. It is not from the "Tales of Heresy" anthology novel, but from the "Tales of the Dark Millennium" collection, based on the Sabretooth cardgames that were released back then. The three sisters were Sororitas with bolters and veils, not mute anti-psykers who have to use sign language.
edit.
Here!
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Post by: Scottywan82
H.B.M.C. wrote:All-plastic is the new black, so to speak. If the Sister release is anything like the Dark Eldar release (although I doubt it would be on the same scale), then we're in for some good times ahead. Yes, there will always be metal models - miniautres that are expected to sell in low quantities like special characters are done in metal as it's more economical that way - but for the bread and butter units, it's going to be plastic all the way.
This pisses me off SO bad. DE's release probably told GW that it makes no difference how long they wait people will always buy new shiny stuff even if they have to sit with nothing for a decade.
What it should have told them is a massively supported release alongside a new codex with brilliant new all-plastic figures covering the key supports of the range is a devastating assault on wallets everywhere.
They would have seen the same thing with the plastic commanders experiment if they hadn't made them suck so hard.
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Post by: Melissia
I'll wait until I see pics before judging, a text description can only go so far.
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Post by: Gitzbitah
Scottywan82 wrote:
This pisses me off SO bad. DE's release probably told GW that it makes no difference how long they wait people will always buy new shiny stuff even if they have to sit with nothing for a decade.
What it should have told them is a massively supported release alongside a new codex with brilliant new all-plastic figures covering the key supports of the range is a devastating assault on wallets everywhere.
They would have seen the same thing with the plastic commanders experiment if they hadn't made them suck so hard.
Always remember that the veteran is not GW's target market or cash cow. Someone who already has sisters may need 100-200 dollars worth of units to modify their army to the new codex- but one poor noob will likely dump 500+ into the ladies of grimdark. However, to entice the noobs to jump to the next bandwagon, you must give them time to recover- army starting money has a long cooldown. So the more successful a release is, the more likely GW is to delay the next release in order to suck more of the money out of the jumpers. They already have the money of the loyal sisters' players out there- they just have to make the models and collect it. The new customers are the ones they are targeting.
Your function now is as a living, breathing advertisement, and they will keep you in the game best not with new releases- but with the lure of 'free' product from their Rogue Trader Tournament initiative. If you win free stuff every 2 or 3 months it will be enough to keep you hooked until the next time your army is updated, or a new army catches your eye. 
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Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin
BrookM wrote:
Here!
Mmmm, sounds like I need to get that one.
Regarding the veil, sounds interesting, and anything new is good. After seeing what they did with Wyches, I'm really hoping for some different heads, hair styles, no hair (go on GW you know it makes sense) and anything else that allows us to at least mark out some differences on the units.
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Post by: CT GAMER
I love SOB and their whole zeaous/warrior nun/purge with fire vibe, and have since back in 2nd edition.
I also love the concept/imagery of the Ecclessiarchy and related: for example I always loved cawdor and redemptionists in Necromunda, etc.
That being said I sold off my whole collection of metal SOB last year as I just didn't play them very often and wasn't thrilled with the current codex options.
If cool/detailed plastic SOB are released and they get a new codex that does them justice I will surely bite; particularly if it also allows for ecclessiarch type units (preachers, confessors, missionaries, zealot mobs, redemptionists types, etc.)
If they are simply filler for an =I= codex, GW has lost my money...
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Post by: Melissia
Sisters are going to be the focus of their own codex, probably with Ecclesiarchy assets as well. Kinda like Grey Knights are the focus of THEIR codex.
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Post by: aka_mythos
MajorTom11 wrote:Don't know if it's been said before, but Hospitalers are Soriatas, just not a millitant order. So still a sister.
Sororitas yes. I'm not definitive on this. The fine distinction I was making was that though they're all part of the same larger organization Ecclesiarch and the Ordo Hereticus and that they are categorized as Sororitas that the "Sisters of Battle" are specifically the chamber militant of those entities, while the Sisters Hospitaller are not. They are another part of the "sisterhood" outside the combat-centric "Sisters of Battle."
AlexHolker wrote:Kroothawk wrote:And I also understand stickmonkey hints that at least the Dominion squad is slow and purposeful.
Slow and purposeful is a stupid rule. Random movement is not purposeful.
Random movement is the "slow" part, the "purposeful" part is that they're relentless. It does make sense from the stand point that they are so intent on shooting their target that aren't focused on moving as fast as possible.
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Post by: Melissia
Why should units that have assault weapons need relentless? Unless Dominions are given terminator armor or equivalents, or if they now take the place of Retributors, it doesn't make any sense.
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Post by: pretre
Great, vacation over apparently.
S&P is reaching a bit based on what Stickmonkey wrote. That being said, S&P gives relentless and SoB with Relentless would be pretty cool. That's rapid fire and charge all the time.
If we do accept that his comments meant S&P, it could mean a redesign with sisters getting relentless / S&P. Dominions with relentless Multimeltas? Yes, please!
Plus, I like the idea of a slow, methodical advance of unwaveringly faithful troops pouring heavy fire through discipline into the enemy.
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Post by: Redbeard
It would be cool if they applied the Sanguinary Guard armour aesthetic to the sisters. But I think there'd be too many complaining parents if they did female armour with nipples showing.
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Post by: HoverBoy
Redbeard wrote:It would be cool if they applied the Sanguinary Guard armour aesthetic to the sisters. But I think there'd be too many complaining parents if they did female armour with nipples showing.
LOL
Either way i actually like the current sister jump pack design, its unique yet clearly imperial.
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Post by: hushrong
The SoB are getting some love over at BL. Too bad it will be a year til it is out.
Hammer and Anvil
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Post by: AlexHolker
hushrong wrote:The SoB are getting some love over at BL. Too bad it will be a year til it is out.
Great. Not only are the codices being pushed back, but the one BL book I was looking forward to is, too.
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Post by: Melissia
A pity, but at least the sisters are actually getting a BL book. A rare occasion indeed.
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Post by: Kanluwen
AlexHolker wrote:hushrong wrote:The SoB are getting some love over at BL. Too bad it will be a year til it is out.
Great. Not only are the codices being pushed back, but the one BL book I was looking forward to is, too.
Er, what?
The Sisters book by Jim Swallow, "Hammer and Anvil" has been scheduled for December 2011 for almost a year.
It hasn't been "pushed back".
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Post by: andrewm9
Kanluwen wrote:AlexHolker wrote:hushrong wrote:The SoB are getting some love over at BL. Too bad it will be a year til it is out.
Great. Not only are the codices being pushed back, but the one BL book I was looking forward to is, too.
Er, what?
The Sisters book by Jim Swallow, "Hammer and Anvil" has been scheduled for December 2011 for almost a year.
It hasn't been "pushed back".
When they first put it on the site it was scheduled for September 2011. Not much of a push back really, but it technically was one. Now Red and Black (audio book for Sisters) is comign out October 2011. Thats hasn't changed since they posted it for clarity's sake.
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Post by: hushrong
Melissia wrote:A pity, but at least the sisters are actually getting a BL book. A rare occasion indeed.
Does suck that it will be a year till it hits store shelves. At least my copy of Faith and Fire won't be all alone then.
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Post by: Kanluwen
andrewm9 wrote:Kanluwen wrote:AlexHolker wrote:hushrong wrote:The SoB are getting some love over at BL. Too bad it will be a year til it is out.
Great. Not only are the codices being pushed back, but the one BL book I was looking forward to is, too.
Er, what?
The Sisters book by Jim Swallow, "Hammer and Anvil" has been scheduled for December 2011 for almost a year.
It hasn't been "pushed back".
When they first put it on the site it was scheduled for September 2011. Not much of a push back really, but it technically was one. Now Red and Black (audio book for Sisters) is coming out October 2011. That hasn't changed since they posted it for clarity's sake.
I'm almost 100% positive it's been scheduled for December 2011 since it went up on there in September.
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Post by: Samus_aran115
Melissia wrote:I'll wait until I see pics before judging, a text description can only go so far.
I agree. 'Veils' and boots are really vague details. Kind of unfortunate that the armour is the old style, but maybe they'll be more fun to paint in plastic. Seraphims are one of the most boring things I've ever painted
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Post by: ReardenPro
As opposed to Guardsmen, Samus, olol.
I am excited about the news, but now I have this one mental image of what the Sisters will all look like now, and when they actually come out with pics I think I'll just be disapointed. Sort of like reading a book before seeing the movie, I guess.
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Post by: BrookM
Here's hoping the bolter girl codex gets a space pope entry of their own, this army is just screaming for a cardinal or pope like character, preferably a walking corpse, confined to a segway of his own.
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Post by: pretre
I believe you'll find that C: WH had a space pope before Tau did. Inquisitor Karamazov.
He shares the general awfulness of his rules and mini with the Tau Space Pope.
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Post by: BrookM
No, I want a new space pope, a really old man with a large hat, the biggest in all of 40k, to denote his seniority.
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Post by: Manchu
Anything to lean away from the Inquisition and toward the Ecclesiarchy would be good.
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Post by: pretre
Karamazov is lacking a hat. 'Tis a shame. I'd have to greenstuff one on if I ever fielded him.
In all seriousness, and on topic, I think there is a good chance that they will bring back the Ecclesiarchy units that we know and love from previous incarnations. This means that we may get one of my favorite special character models back (who is old and does have a big hat!).
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Post by: BrookM
The way things are going chances are that we will see the return of Uriah Jakobus and Redemptor Kirov, whose art back then was awesome:
"COME ON COMRADES, LETS RAPE THE FACIST AND STORM THE REICHSTAG! URA!"
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Post by: pretre
Part of why I am so excited about a revamp is truly cool special characters like those two. I think 5th edition has done a great job in this, rekindling some of the old feeling that was lost in 3rd and 4th.
Was just looking at Kyrinov and he had Frenzy and was Immune to Psychology. Not sure what that was, but I want some.
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Post by: Manchu
BrookM wrote:The way things are going
What do you mean?
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Post by: pretre
I think that was just a turn of phrase.
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Post by: HoverBoy
And i think he meant the way GW is scraping the bottom of the barrel in order to cram as many special charracters as they can in new codexes.
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Post by: Manchu
Oh, I had wondered if there was something beyond the rumor of a veil to support my desire for a greater emphasis on Ecclesiarchy (or rather just less on Inquisition).
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Post by: pretre
HoverBoy wrote:And i think he meant the way GW is scraping the bottom of the barrel in order to cram as many special charracters as they can in new codexes.
You have a little something there on your shoulder. Might want to look into it.
What characters have they created that were 'scraping the bottom of the barrel' in this edition?
And how would bringing back some characters from 2nd edition be doing that?
Or am I just feeding a troll?
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Post by: ghosty
To be honest, if Uriah Jakobus, and redemptor Kirov were to make a return, I'd guess they'd get new miniatures.
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Post by: pretre
Manchu wrote:Oh, I had wondered if there was something beyond the rumor of a veil to support my desire for a greater emphasis on Ecclesiarchy (or rather just less on Inquisition).
Speculation: There was a discussion earlier that the rumors of a veil signals more of a return to the 'nuns with guns' roots, which would also signify a greater emphasis on the 'nuns' part and that leads handily to Ecclesiarchy.
I'm with you, I love the Ecclesiarchy. Without stirring up trouble, I would love to see representation by the Sisters (all branches), Ecclesiarchy and Hereticus. Could make for a flavorful and strong book. Please don't let this be a start to the 'No inquisition in my SOB' hate though. Just mentioning it in passing.
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Post by: HoverBoy
There is nothing wrong with bringing back old characters, what really bugs me is the sheer number in the last few dexes.
I mean really tyranid special characters, it kinda makes me wonder what they have cooked up for crons.
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Post by: pretre
ghosty wrote:To be honest, if Uriah Jakobus, and redemptor Kirov were to make a return, I'd guess they'd get new miniatures.
I hope not. They still stand up to the test of time for me.
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Post by: BrookM
Manchu wrote:BrookM wrote:The way things are going
What do you mean?
The resurrection of old characters, like the Guard codex bringing back Kamir, Straken and Marbo.
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Post by: Melissia
Maybe we'll even see Praxedes again. That would be so badass... the only human known to have killed a Hive Tyrant in one on one combat.
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Post by: pretre
HoverBoy wrote:There is nothing wrong with bringing back old characters, what really bugs me is the sheer number in the last few dexes.
I mean really tyranid special biomorphs, it kinda makes me wonder what they have cooked up for crons.
Special Characters give flavor to the army and, in 5th edition, allow you to further customize FOC, special rules, etc to create a unique force. What's wrong with having more of those? Choice is bad?
Also, Tyranids don't have 'special characters' like other armies do, they have gene templates or biomorphs that are particularly useful.
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Post by: BrookM
Thing is, its not fun that you are required to take Chapter Master Icarus if you want an all assault marine army, or Captain Harley Kawasaki if you want a biker army.
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Post by: pretre
So far, they haven't done that. I know those are off the top of your head, but you can do all assaulty multiple ways and bikers are a generic captain.
Not being able to play 'twinlinked flamer/melta' marines without Vulkan doesn't strike me as too big a cross to bear.
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Post by: Kroothawk
aka_mythos wrote:MajorTom11 wrote:Don't know if it's been said before, but Hospitalers are Soriatas, just not a millitant order. So still a sister.
Sororitas yes. I'm not definitive on this. The fine distinction I was making was that though they're all part of the same larger organization Ecclesiarch and the Ordo Hereticus and that they are categorized as Sororitas that the "Sisters of Battle" are specifically the chamber militant of those entities, while the Sisters Hospitaller are not. They are another part of the "sisterhood" outside the combat-centric "Sisters of Battle."
Ordo Hospitalis and Ordo Dialogis are part of Adepta Sororitas and the latter is Chamber Militant of the Ordo Hereicus, so yes, Hospitallers are included as well. See also my "clarification" post on the matter.
Melissia wrote:Why should units that have assault weapons need relentless? Unless Dominions are given terminator armor or equivalents, or if they now take the place of Retributors, it doesn't make any sense.
Good point. Guess stickmonkey mistook them for retributor squad.
Manchu wrote:BrookM wrote:The way things are going
What do you mean?
Manchu wrote:Oh, I had wondered if there was something beyond the rumor of a veil to support my desire for a greater emphasis on Ecclesiarchy (or rather just less on Inquisition).
All recent Codices featured a comeback of old plus introduction of new characters, most with special army wide rules for army customization. So we should expect the same for Sororitas.
Early rumours on Sororitas also said that the Codex WILL have a focus on Ecclesiarchy. No more details or confirmations though.
Except the confirmation that Jes Goodwin is sculpting many of the models and has some delay due to difficult modelling of cloth (->veils)
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Post by: BrookM
So I'm guessing there will be different sisters to tackle those things then.
Sister Spicy for all your flamer and melta needs.
Sister Naughty for Repentia stuff.
etc.
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Post by: HoverBoy
pretre wrote:Special Characters give flavor to the army and, in 5th edition, allow you to further customize FOC, special rules, etc to create a unique force. What's wrong with having more of those? Choice is bad?
Ahh this is where you are wrong, it isn't really choice it's an illusion of choice, GW say you can have this special army but it can be led by this guy with this gear and no options.
To have true choice for "flavor" and "customised FOC" you need more options in the way of: captains on bikes, warbosses and nobs, meks and dreads, gaunts and tervygons. These are true examples of customised FOC, that still allow you to have the commander/charracter you created rather than running someone elses creation.
I guess some of us enjoy making our own charracters with their own narrative too much. I do like the extra fluff we get out of specials tho, when it isn't uber ridiculous that is.
pretre wrote:Also, Tyranids don't have 'special characters' like other armies do, they have gene templates or biomorphs that are particularly useful.
Yea i say potatoes you say tomatoes, no matter how you call them they're breeding like rabbits
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Post by: pretre
Actually, they are going the SW route.
Sister Soeur of the Sister's Sorority. Armed with Sister Blade and Twin-Linked Sisters Pattern Plasma Pistol.
Speculation: Again, seriously though, they will probably have at least one of each: Sister, Ecclesiarchy and Hereticus character to do wacky FOC stuff. Plus a few just for flavor.
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Post by: Manchu
@Kroothawk: I though the cloth difficulties were with sleeve cuffs (issues with posability) and have never heard about veils until this thread. Veils don't excite me. Visually, they don't connect with gothic, Christian-inspired imagery.
@Melissa: I'd like to see Sisters characters that aren't dead -- i.e., they were awesome but not awesome enough not to die.
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Post by: Melissia
All characters will die eventually, be it by old age or in battle.
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Post by: Manchu
Or GW going under you mean?
The point is, having SCs who are already dead is a bit crap -- unless you're on board with seeing Sisters as having only the one tactic: kill it til you're dead.
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Post by: skrulnik
There is 10,000 years between the Heresy and the "current" timeline. The mix of dead and living characters in the codices makes sense to me.
Its much easier to give every army iconic special characters if they don't all live concurrently.
Otherwise every battle in the current fiction would have to involve the "best of the best" leaders from every army, every time. Boring. Then no-one is special.
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Post by: Melkhiordarkblade
Yeah a new Space Pope model would rock.
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Post by: BrookM
Manchu wrote:Or GW going under you mean?
The point is, having SCs who are already dead is a bit crap -- unless you're on board with seeing Sisters as having only the one tactic: kill it til you're dead.
Even back then they had "dead" characters in their codex books: IG had Macharius, Dark Angels had Naaman, Astartes had Cortez.
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Post by: Manchu
Yeah, Praxedes was dead when her rules were published. I get that martyrdom is a key concept in the SoB mystique but how about some Sisters that aren't killed, raped, corrupted by Chaos, or otherwise undermined by their own fluff?
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Post by: 1hadhq
Done with wishlisting of special characters?
Since the rumor is about a " prototype" and thus mostly hints on style and general design, where may I find the SC there?
wyomingfox wrote:Stickmonkey edited his WarSeer post:
Stickmonkey wrote:EDITED:
I've had a chance to gather notes and thoughts a bit more now that I've completed my work today and had time to get a pint and a bite...
So to clarify a few bits.
The lace, is not laces, its lace around the top of the boot. at the knee. the model has like a pirate style boot and the lace is around the top edge..or thats my take away of what it was.
The bolter is still most certainly a bolter, but look at the existing line, the bolters are disproportioned...especially the bolt pistols...to the models. the new ones are much more like the AoBR SM bolters. With straps, etc. and are separate pieces from arms. they "look" slighty thinner than a SM bolter and have a different shape to the over all gun, but they are not "Girly" i did not have a SM handy to compare directly, so it could just be impression. Also, they have abandoned the banana clip completely it seems.
the veil covered the whole head, its an alternate to the helmet, the face piece is just separate. think cobra commander vs vera wang wedding.
the torso has small details in the corset, i think skulls.
the tabard between the legs had flur de lis details.
there are "sleeves" similar to the image on 19 of the current WH book. similar, but not identical.
I'll reiterate this is a prototype though, not what has necessarily been approved. But as a beta stage model, i really like it, and I think a teaser of it would really build up excitement...hint hint GW overlords... Maybe wait til closer to release...
Overall when i see the current sisters their are very "bulky" these new ones are very graceful, but in a brutal way. the poses are much more dynamic and agressive. not everyone has their feet planted shoulder width apart torso straight on to their opponents....
I was told there will be numerous head options for the sisters, in the way theyve been doing all releases, but the "bob cut" is the preferred hairstyle.
I'm also told sisters repentia, priests, celestians, and seraphim will get new models with seraphim likely to adopt jump packs similar to the sanguinary guard...though I saw no evidence of this. No word on arco flaggelants.
Penitent engine is getting reworked as well.
And of course you saw my Jan rumor post. To provide a clue, Dominion squads.
Inq forces should all be updated by the GK release, so no news there for SoB, but they are expected to be present in the codex.
I also know of a few more "new" units that are being developed.
Cheers.
Ecclesiarchy and SoB:
- repentia stay ( castigate thyself much?)
- metals to plastic , new units
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Post by: AlexHolker
Kanluwen wrote:I'm almost 100% positive it's been scheduled for December 2011 since it went up on there in September.
No, it hasn't. And here's proof.
James Swallow wrote:As well as recent announcements that Deus Ex: Human Revolution is being put back (don't worry, it's still going to be "early 2011"), my next Warhammer 40,000 novel Hammer & Anvil has dropped a few months to a release date around this time next year, so consider yourself well warned about it. Incidentally, Black Library have now confirmed they'll be reprinting my first Sisters of Battle novel Faith & Fire around the same time; and before that arrives, there will be Red & Black in October, an audiobook prequel. It's going to be a bumper Xmas for nuns with guns next year.
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Post by: Kanluwen
AlexHolker wrote:Kanluwen wrote:I'm almost 100% positive it's been scheduled for December 2011 since it went up on there in September.
No, it hasn't. And here's proof.
James Swallow wrote:As well as recent announcements that Deus Ex: Human Revolution is being put back (don't worry, it's still going to be "early 2011"), my next Warhammer 40,000 novel Hammer & Anvil has dropped a few months to a release date around this time next year, so consider yourself well warned about it. Incidentally, Black Library have now confirmed they'll be reprinting my first Sisters of Battle novel Faith & Fire around the same time; and before that arrives, there will be Red & Black in October, an audiobook prequel. It's going to be a bumper Xmas for nuns with guns next year.
Hrmh. Oh well.
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Post by: oomiestompa
1hadhq wrote:Done with wishlisting of special characters?
Nope. I got one more for ya.
Ephrael Stern. I don't how broken she would be.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
It's hard to get excited about a Codex that will do nothing but invalidate yet another of my armies.
Kanluwen wrote:Hrmh. Oh well.
That almost sound liked a concession Kan.
Almost.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Never give up! Never surrender!
To infinity AND BEYOND!
That better?
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Post by: Grot 6
Any word on the last Inquisition faction, the Alien hunters?
Its all great and all about the sisters of battle, but with the way that they are dragging thier feet on revamping codexs? Its almost a crime to have to wait around for almost three years for revamps.
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Post by: Melissia
Three years? Try ten.
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Post by: Kroothawk
... or 12 for Dark Eldar.
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Post by: Aduro
How long's it been since the Necron book came out?
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Post by: nomsheep
about ten years.
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Post by: nomsheep
i was close.
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Post by: Dark Apostle 666
Hope they re-release the inquisition armies, i miss vindicare assassins.
Veils sound cool though- but if they're not seperate they'll be really hard to paint.
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Post by: Squigsquasher
When they said veils, I thought they meant as in muslim bhurka buddy style sisters!
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Post by: CT GAMER
Manchu wrote:Anything to lean away from the Inquisition and toward the Ecclesiarchy would be good.
+1
Bravo!!!
It still boggles my mind that despite how central the Ecclesiarchy are to not only Imperial fluff but the tone/feel/imagery of the 40K universe in general, that GW doesn't give it the attention it deserves with a full fledged Codex: Ecclessiarchy.
Yes they don't have standing armies, but they have plenty of ways in which the fervor of it's followers finds them in violent conflict and crusade.
The codex could be used to represent anything from SOB armies to mobs of zealots led by missionaries, to various Imperial "cults" ( some boardering on heretical/outlaws like the redemptionists, etc.).
Imagine a codex that goes back to the old spirit of GW/ 40K encouraging conversions and themed armies!
I think such a codex would have a lot of appeal, and it's ability to incorporate anything from actual SOB to all manner of priests, arcos, etc. would be a fine vehicle to increase model sales: empire flaggellants mixed with 40K bits to make zealots, peacher/missionary/confessor models, penitant engines, arcos, etc., etc.
make the SOB list the main list, but allow for the other stuff as add-ons or sub-lists of religious rabble. I want armies of flagellants and penitants in robes, covered in litanies and bearing fire marching in the name of the emperor.
Bring back some of the old special characters like Uriah jacobson and the original space pope, etc.:
It will never happen, but it should...
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Post by: CadianXV
I suppose the argument is that the current codecies could be used to realise that vision. The IG codex: Penal Legion troops to represent flaggelents etc, storm troopers as SoB (I know not quite the same...) a heavy focus on Priests, the order system to show the divine word of the Cardinal, use penitent engines as flamer armed sentinels, the opportunities go on...
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Post by: CT GAMER
CadianXV wrote:I suppose the argument is that the current codecies could be used to realise that vision. The IG codex: Penal Legion troops to represent flaggelents etc, storm troopers as SoB (I know not quite the same...) a heavy focus on Priests, the order system to show the divine word of the Cardinal, use penitent engines as flamer armed sentinels, the opportunities go on...
yes, and Space marines COULD all be represenetd by Codex:Space marines, but do you think that SW, BA, DA players, etc. would be thrilled if that was their only option?
Having your army relegated to second class citizen status is not all that appealing. I think wanting an actual dedicated codex for SOB/Ecclessiarchy is a valid desire.
Again: it isn't gonna happen, but still...
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Post by: vaatbak
Kanluwen wrote:Never give up! Never surrender!
To infinity AND BEYOND!
That better?
Buzz lightyear would be proud.
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Post by: Brotherjulian
Veils? SOB have become Far Dareis Mai?
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Post by: Austragalis
I'm happy for the SoB players that are finally getting plastic kits, and I find no problem with the veils. It will probably be a thing like some heads in the sprue have veils molded on and some don't.
I also don't think it would be a problem if they were thrown into the Witch Hunters codex, as long as the codex gave the option and proper rules to field an all Sisters army, which really wouldn't be too difficult.
I would also laugh my ass off if the sisters wore burkas, as some have suggested. That would be such a smart ass thing to do, especially since GW is based Britain!
Then the only demographic left to appease would be the Necron players! After that, they could start on some pet projects, like a Kroot codex or something.
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Post by: Mr Hyena
I like the idea of a Codex: Church; but to be honest I still want the option to have an Inquisition-focused SoB army; or at least let the Inquisition have its own codex (if the whole rumours about HQ choices unlocking unit options is true)
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Post by: pretre
Brotherjulian wrote:Veils? SOB have become Far Dareis Mai?
I am very okay with that.
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Post by: wyomingfox
Brotherjulian wrote:Veils? SOB have become Far Dareis Mai?
Only if they get spears and a rule that makes them uncomfortable around bodies of water.
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Post by: Sister_Lucy
I'll believe it when I see them in person..
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Post by: SkaerKrow
Sister_Lucy wrote:I'll believe it when I see them in person..
FAITH DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY!
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Post by: Wehrkind
Fire does.
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Post by: poontangler
Honestly I'd like to see more people pick up the SoB. Fluff wise they are not as large as the Imperial Guard, but a hell of a lot more common then the Space Marines.
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Post by: Platuan4th
poontangler wrote:Honestly I'd like to see more people pick up the SoB. Fluff wise they are not as large as the Imperial Guard, but a hell of a lot more common then the Space Marines.
How so? Even supposing that there's more Nuns per Order than Marines per Chapter, there's far fewer Orders than there are Chapters in the official fluff. Just to give you an idea: GW stated that the entire Order of the Bloody Rose fought at the Therrix Suppression of 085.M41, numbering 12 Battle Sister squads, 6 Retributor squads, 4 Dominion squads, 3 Celestian squads, and 1 Repentia squad. The Order of Our Martyred Lady is the largest, with several thousand Sisters.
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Post by: Alpharius
It is probably just a reflex response in many conversations about Space Marines - sometimes it is right, sometimes it isn't...
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