I have it on quite good authority that following the release of the Stormraven Gunship with the Blood Angels new models in a few weeks, the next issue of White Dwarf will contain rules/fluff which will enable all Space Marine chapters to use the unit.

Whether or not this is happening because of the rumoured Flyer ruleset expansion is anyones guess, but with BA definately and GK almost certainly getting the Stormraven, I am pretty confident that this will be confirmed in due course and there will be Stormravens all around!

The Milky Bars are on me!

Things have been pointing this way for quite a while, and it is well covered in both the SR thread and GK thread... however, rules in the next WD is a new rumor... so i'll refrain from my usual snappy don't double thread vitriol lol

Hmmm my iron hands would love a storm raven... but my carry case wouldn't.

The Decapitator wrote:Whether or not this is happening because of the rumoured Flyer ruleset expansion is anyones guess, but with BA definately and GK almost certainly getting the Stormraven, I am pretty confident that this will be confirmed in due course and there will be Stormravens all around!

Who besides Stickmonkey has talked about a Flyers expansion? I wouldn't put a lot of stock in it unless it was said by someone who knows what they're talking about.

I can't remember specifically, but I think others also said they had heard about flyers themselves, Kroothawk would probably be a better person to ask.

It makes sense that all Space Marine chapters would get Stormravens usable so long as you're playing FlyersExpansion the same way that they can use Baneblades and Heirophants so long as you're playing Apocalypse.

It seems unlikely that we'll get a Nightspinner-like WD-approved addendum to all Space Marine codecies.

The Flyers supplement has been talked about by quite a few people, and is something which I am 80% certain will happen. Whether it will will be rules for all armies to field flyers in normal games such as the Stormraven or Valkarie, or whether it will be an expansion such as Spearhead is yet to be seen.

Everyone has their own opinions, I'm just getting it out there as it's from a *very* good source.

Absolutionis wrote:It makes sense that all Space Marine chapters would get Stormravens usable so long as you're playing FlyersExpansion the same way that they can use Baneblades and Heirophants so long as you're playing Apocalypse.

It seems unlikely that we'll get a Nightspinner-like WD-approved addendum to all Space Marine codecies.

Why not? FAQs lately are there to sell more models.. DA/BT one, deff rolla, etc.. So now storm raven

Would love to get one or two for my Templars.

I've heard this rumor as well, and from multiple sources.

White Scars Stormraven hoooo....

Why not give a looted one to the orks also........ Naaaah, that would be awesome.

It's good to hear a traditionally unsupported and unappreciated army is getting a new toy.

No.

Wait.

I mean the opposite don't I?


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By the by I upload the sprue pics into the gallery.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/images-518-1484_Sprues.html

In before people complaining that only my chapter should have the new toys. Good to see GW normalizing the rules earlier than the next codex.

do we really need *another* stormraven thread?? especially since we've been talking about all marine chapters getting them in the other one?

Beat ya to it on the 1st post warboss lol!

warboss wrote:do we really need *another* stormraven thread?? especially since we've been talking about all marine chapters getting them in the other one?

I think this was worth it's own mention, as many other people may not be following that thread if they don't play Blood Angels.

I'm 75% excited, and 25% wishing they had a model that was less butt-ugly.

You guys know if the Valkyrie is a similar size for proxying? I already have one, and it would be a snap to repaint the outside in one of my chapter's livery.

Eh, who am I lying to. I'm sure I'll get on anyway.

Kinda hoping that this is true. Gives me a reason to grab one for my Ebon Gauntlets. The Omnissah will be please.

I can't see GW missing out on an opportunity to make easy money. I'd expect rules to pop up in White Dwarf in the next month or two - they said they wanted to do more stuff like that after the Night Spinner came out, now would be a good time.

Yeah, I heard the rumor too... except... what do you call it... oh, it was conjecture. I don't doubt that this will occur at some point in the future (unfortunately), but I don't believe the rumor, simply because so many people are guessing that this is going to occur, I'm sure someone out there read one such comment, turned to their friend and said "They're saying that they are going to be publishing rules for all SM chapters to use Stormravens in White Dwarf after the model is released" and then the friend goes and takes that rumor online to a website and says "I have it on good authority that they are going to be publishing Stormraven rules for all SM chapters to use in White Dwarf like a month after its been released."

I've seen it happen before. I have been a victim/perpetrator/perpetuator of such behavior before. Take it with a grain of salt people. Ditto the flyer expansion (although I've been hearing more concrete sounding noise about that as of late).

The Decapitator wrote:The Flyers supplement has been talked about by quite a few people, and is something which I am 80% certain will happen. Whether it will will be rules for all armies to field flyers in normal games such as the Stormraven or Valkarie, or whether it will be an expansion such as Spearhead is yet to be seen.

Everyone has their own opinions, I'm just getting it out there as it's from a *very* good source.

It seems (to me) that you're the first person to actually say they have a source on this. I remember when the original rumors leaked about a big summer flyer release it didn't actually contain any info about any kind of supplement or rules at all. However, on that thread about 20 people jumped to the conclusion that a Spearhead style supplement would be released along side the models,a nd within a day this"rumor" of a supplement was being repeated pretty much everywhere.

I'm not saying it won't happen, but I haven't seen ANY rumors that imply that it will. Just a fair amount of rumors that indicate that several flier models are on the horizon (The Stormraven and the Dark Eldar ones being the only ones we have any real idea about).

So yeah, I was considering this rumor complete bunk until you posted and said that you have a very good source.

To clarify, the only source I've ever found on a Flyers supplement was Stickmonkey's thread a few months ago - and that thread was moved out of the rumors forum for scepticism. In this thread he mentioned that the Stormraven would be released around this summer expansion.

When even Warseer rejects something you gotta take notice.

jake wrote:

The Decapitator wrote:The Flyers supplement has been talked about by quite a few people, and is something which I am 80% certain will happen. Whether it will will be rules for all armies to field flyers in normal games such as the Stormraven or Valkarie, or whether it will be an expansion such as Spearhead is yet to be seen.
Everyone has their own opinions, I'm just getting it out there as it's from a *very* good source.

It seems (to me) that you're the first person to actually say they have a source on this.

MasterSlowPoke wrote:To clarify, the only source I've ever found on a Flyers supplement was Stickmonkey's thread a few months ago - and that thread was moved out of the rumors forum for scepticism. In this thread he mentioned that the Stormraven would be released around this summer expansion.

Well, almost all rumours about the Storm Raven predicted WD rules for every SM chapter in the same month, so this is not new rumour.

Here a collection of previous non-stickmonkey sources for the flyer rumours:

NoBaconz4You wrote:He said that GW had just paid off a lot of debt not long ago, and have gathered quite a profit, he continued to explain that GWHQ were being a little more relaxed when design/making/releasing new models, saying that 'instead of only bringing out stuff that will earn the most income, like previously, they plan to release a lot more, i.e. new models for everything,' (and most excitingly) 'plastic versions of various FW products.'

He was almost certain that the Thunderhawk was first on the list (and no, not mistaken for the stormraven), and to follow were Warhound Titans, Tau Mantas and Barracudas...

BrassScorpion wrote:One of the customers at my local store said he recently took the tour of the GW studio and the person walked him past an area by mistake that is not normally included in the tour. The new fliers were on display, new SoB model and more. He said there's a flier for virtually every 40K army out there, which is the second time I've heard that now from two different sources. And I've heard the "summer of fliers" bit from yet another very reliable person too. Let's hope some of this cool new stuff is released sooner rather than later.

StraightSilver wrote:I had a chance to have a chat with Jes Goodwin today and got some more info regarding DE release schedule.(...)

There are 4 new plastic kits coming next year, he wouldn't say exactly what they were but that the Venom is definitely coming soon and they have models for both flyers listed in the Dex on ready to go (but he wouldn't confirm if these were part of the 90%).(...)

He also said that now that rapid prototyping and CAD technology has progressed the design team can use 2 ups instead of 3 ups which means that making larger apocolypse style kits (Stompa and Baneblade) in plastic is now more possible.

This means that they are currently working on one of these types of kits as the sales for the Stompa etc were very good, but wouldn't say whether they had decided on what this would be, although I got the impression he wanted it to be Eldar.

Shabadoo on the 4 DE plastic kits:

Make that

Talos
Venom
Razorwing
Voidraven

and you would be more accurate.

Here the stickmonkey quote:

So after reading the recent post about Jes's comments I wanted to get some inside skinny.

We know Jes mentioned the DE flyers as being "on the way" And we have had constant rumoring of the Storm Raven.

Well I did some work asking and this is what I have to report.

There are currently 7 flyers in development...some complete, some nearing completion.

Possibility for a summer "Flyer" White Dwarf to introduce them, including special rules.

Tau, Eldar/DE, Ork, SM, Nid, ???

It makes a lot of sense, but if each of these is roughly the size of a Valk set, that's a huge release.

It would give credence to prior rumors the Storm Raven would not be released with GK...assuming GK still make Q1.

It doesnt seem to invalidate anything Jes has said.

We have had a history of these "combined" releases occuring mid year for a few years.

Cheers.

BTW:

jake wrote:When even Warseer rejects something you gotta take notice.

Warseer mods are very quick at closing threads. They even banned all Tyranid rumour threads when people insisted on posting rumours on units bigger than a Carnifex other than the Trygon (Tervigon as seen on the cover, Tyrannofex, Harpy). So closed rumour threads on Warseer don't mean anything.

So 2 "heard at my stores", Stickmonkey, and the fairly accurate but ultimately unrelated DE second wave releases.

Yes, three confirmed additional flyers in the first 6 months (currently only one flyer), plus several others rumoured by several sources.

If Kroothawk believes it to be true, I also believe it to be true.

I expect there will also be a special spikey Stormraven released for CSM players that will cost £15 extra.

The real question is how many Thunderwolves can fit inside a Stormraven?

How many Thunderwolves can dance on the head of a pin?

Hmmm... Storm Ravens for all. I'm not sure how I feel about this. Tho I suppose it's an excuse to buy one.

Well from a purely selfish POV I will childishly shout:


HANDS OFF ITS OURS WE GOT IT FIRST!!

But i guess I am glad everyone else gets it too, a bit glad anyway

Who besides Stickmonkey has talked about a Flyers expansion?

As someone pointed out, many other people. And the tidbits I threw in include a little more than just "at the store" chatter, though like a lot of people, citing sources would be indiscreet.

but with BA definately and GK almost certainly getting the Stormraven, I am pretty confident that this will be confirmed in due course and there will be Stormravens all around!

And definitely too, hopefully.

It certainly would be a better financial move for the model to be usable with all versions of their most popular selling range and more fun for the modelers, collectors and gamers with those models.

Slinky wrote:How many Thunderwolves can dance on the head of a pin?

Duns Scotus FTW!

Slinky wrote:How many Thunderwolves can dance on the head of a pin?

42?

I expect there will also be a special spikey Stormraven released for CSM players that will cost £15 extra.

Actually, that would be awesome, which is to say that as long as they legitimize game use of it by Chaos Marines, I'm pretty sure us converters can take care of the rest with or without buying an extra spiky sprue.

Kroothawk wrote:

BTW:

jake wrote:When even Warseer rejects something you gotta take notice.

Warseer mods are very quick at closing threads. They even banned all Tyranid rumour threads when people insisted on posting rumours on units bigger than a Carnifex other than the Trygon (Tervigon as seen on the cover, Tyrannofex, Harpy). So closed rumour threads on Warseer don't mean anything.

I didn't actually say that, even though DAKKA DAKKA seems to some how of attributed the quote to me. Weird.

Anyway...

I wasn't doubting the release of several new vehicle kits. We've seen the Storm Raven and Jes Goodwin has confirmed the DE fliers. I was actually calling into question the validity of some kind of summer expansion or rules similar to Spearhead set centered around fliers. It wouldn't surprise me if something like that did pop up, but I don't think we've actually seen any reliable rumors to back it up yet. Just wishful thinking.

Anyway, while the text you quoted certainly indicates the development of new kits, I don't see anything there that leads credence to the so called "summer of fliers". While it's easy to assume that we'll see a large release of 7 or so fliers alongside an expansion this summer, it's just as easy to believe that we'll see the Storm Raven next month, the DE fliers in a few months and then nothing else any time soon. Again, what we have is a little bit of rumor and a lot of speculation, and it feels a lot like the rumor mill has jumped the gun on this one.

I want two for my wanderers and 2 for my storm crusaders.
And I also want the one that I wanted to make for my OMG L33t marines.

Kudos to GW for solving bad design through more marketing.

"People are making fun of the (leaked?) BA Stormraven picture! They are calling it the chibi-hawk!"

"Make it available for all Space Marine players! Lets see how hard they whine when its a legal FA option in their codex!"

The marketer in me salutes them!

rabidaskal wrote:Kudos to GW for solving bad design through more marketing.

"People are making fun of the (leaked?) BA Stormraven picture! They are calling it the chibi-hawk!"

"Make it available for all Space Marine players! Lets see how hard they whine when its a legal FA option in their codex!"

The marketer in me salutes them!

Your reasoning is flawed: it assumes that GW listens to it's customer base, which we know to be false...

rabidaskal wrote:Kudos to GW for solving bad design through more marketing.

"People are making fun of the (leaked?) BA Stormraven picture! They are calling it the chibi-hawk!"

"Make it available for all Space Marine players! Lets see how hard they whine when its a legal FA option in their codex!"

The marketer in me salutes them!

Aren't they Heavy Support?

Flashman wrote:I expect there will also be a special spikey Stormraven released for CSM players that will cost £15 extra.

I'm actually interested in the prospect of converting a Storm Raven to have a demonic maw for the nose area which Khorne Berzerkers would charge out from.

With all of the rumors of the additional fliers I think we are more likely to see is the upcoming release of the more appropriate thunderhawk. But, I guess we will know soon. At any rate I would prefer they do it this way but I could see why they would just make the SR universal and hope to sell a entire buttload and a half of the new kit. It's really a shame that they are not more forthcoming with their upcoming releases, especially if it is true that many of the models are completed already.

rabidaskal wrote:Kudos to GW for solving bad design through more marketing.

"People are making fun of the (leaked?) BA Stormraven picture! They are calling it the chibi-hawk!"

"Make it available for all Space Marine players! Lets see how hard they whine when its a legal FA option in their codex!"

The marketer in me salutes them!

OR

"You know there's no way we're going to make enough money on this plastic kit if it can only be used by 2 marine armies. Why not make it available to everyone!"

Kinda like the plastic Giant kit in WFB, everyone could take one...

Flashman wrote:I expect there will also be a special spikey Stormraven released for CSM players that will cost £15 extra.

Yeah, chaos should get to use 'em, but id probably end up buying a "normal one" and converting it instead of spending 15 quid on some spikes.

WHAT ABOUT THE HERETICS?

We need something cooler anyway. Forget it. I don't want it anyway :3

Have fear, the Wolves will get wings...

From the bright side, my under construction demiurg army (who count as Space Marines) make a lot more sense in flying transports...

I would be much more interested in the Thunderhawk... there must be more flyers on the way otherwise the dubious flyer expansion would be about valkyries, chibi's and forgeworld stuff!

There are loads of tanks so spearhead, other than a reason to make people buy more tanks, is a reasonable expansion but what will a flyer expansion bring?

A fighter for almost every race.

As for stickmoney rumors they are trash. Now with the fliers expansion I could see it if it was added to apoc or they finally redo apoc. Or update it a bit. About 10 years ago I remember flyers added to the 40k and it was a crash and burn. No one seemed to enjoy it was clunky and just dumb. And basi g rumors off 2 models being released is poor judgement. So does that mean they are going to make an all dread army now? I mean they made a plastic dread.

Dark Apostle 666 wrote:

Flashman wrote:I expect there will also be a special spikey Stormraven released for CSM players that will cost £15 extra.

Yeah, chaos should get to use 'em, but id probably end up buying a "normal one" and converting it instead of spending 15 quid on some spikes.

Well considering that Chaos Space Marines don't even use Land Speeders, Plasma Cannons or newer Technology available to the modern Astartes, I can't imagine them receiving a shiney new Storm Raven...

Hell Talon on the other hand, now that would be sweet!
Or they could give the CSM nothing a watch as the players complain even more...

Now with the fliers expansion...

Remember Spearhead from last summer? I see the likelihood with the Fliers Expansion being another "new way to play" that utilizes fliers with an accompanying expanded rules set like Spearhead or Planetstrike, but only for playing that particular "expansion" of the game, not normal rule book and Codex only battles for the majority of players. Of course, with friends, one can use, add and toss out anything you like to make a game thematic and more fun.

Just Dave wrote:

Dark Apostle 666 wrote:

Flashman wrote:I expect there will also be a special spikey Stormraven released for CSM players that will cost £15 extra.

Yeah, chaos should get to use 'em, but id probably end up buying a "normal one" and converting it instead of spending 15 quid on some spikes.

Well considering that Chaos Space Marines don't even use Land Speeders, Plasma Cannons or newer Technology available to the modern Astartes, I can't imagine them receiving a shiney new Storm Raven...

Have storm ravens not been around since the heresy?

No. Stormravens didn't show up until relatively recently(M41.97ish, I think. Really close to the current timeline).

There was a predecessor to the Thunderhawk, called the "Stormbird" that people sometimes equate to a Stormraven.
It's not. Stormbirds were much bigger than Thunderhawks, and replaced by the Thunderhawk in the end.

Anyways, I doubt we'd see the Helltalon/Hellblades for Chaos. They're associated with the Renegade Guard more than the Traitor Legions. It would be like the Marines getting a Valkyrie.

Just makes more sense for the Thunderhawk, in the end, to be released. You've got power armor, of all flavors, able to utilize it. Even the Inquisition uses them.

Not in any old background - the Stormbird and the Thunderhawk were the vehicles of choice.

The latest HH book, PROSPERO BURNS even notes that the Thunderhawk is a cheap, mass produced necessary piece of crap for the Great Crusade when compared to the Artistry in Motion that is the Stormbird.

Of course, GW can, and will, change the background at will.

But I think the latest BA Codex points to the Stormraven as being a more 'modern' discovery/invention...

Thats it, Storm BIRD lol, i knew i had something in my head that began with storm lol, my bad

Ugh. Am I the only one who dreading this? If all space Marine Codices can take Stormravens, that means I'll want to buy even more of the beautiful things. Hell, I wrote up a White Scars themed list today using the Stormraven Rules from C:BA and everything thing else from C:SM.

Just Dave wrote:

Dark Apostle 666 wrote:

Flashman wrote:I expect there will also be a special spikey Stormraven released for CSM players that will cost £15 extra.

Yeah, chaos should get to use 'em, but id probably end up buying a "normal one" and converting it instead of spending 15 quid on some spikes.

Well considering that Chaos Space Marines don't even use Land Speeders, Plasma Cannons or newer Technology available to the modern Astartes, I can't imagine them receiving a shiney new Storm Raven...

Hell Talon on the other hand, now that would be sweet!
Or they could give the CSM nothing a watch as the players complain even more...

Didntnyou know when you fall to chaos you give back your apothecary gear, land speeders, attack bikes, whirlwind, land raider crusaders, land raider redeemers, thunder hammer, storm shields, assault cannons, cyclone missile launchers, and special ammo.


Chaos makes you forget all the stuff.

Kanluwen wrote:No. Stormravens didn't show up until relatively recently(M41.97ish, I think. Really close to the current timeline).

It's mentioned in the Deathwatch rulebook in the background packages for Blood Angel Marines. Deathwatch is set in 800-something.M41.

Well there ya go.

Recent. Really recent.

I'll say the same thing as what I said on HO:

I can't help but be annoyed at this "I wanna have it" mentality. BA (and now GKs) have been waiting for an update for ages. Now, we'll have something others don't, but the main reaction (apart from the "it looks like gak" reaction) is "me too, me too!".

I don't mind not having access to Land Speeders or Whirlwinds in my GKs. I don't want "Grey Cavalry" and although we'll possibly have all-termi armies, I don't want bikes (and all-bikes armies).

I know it's logical for GW to allow the SR for all (even though a similar kit, the Valkyrie, is only for one army). I'm just being childish; I haven't had a codice in 8+ years, no 3++ Storm Shield, no Heavy 4 rending Assault cannons, so I don't want to share.

Phil

It would make sense to give the stormraven (in a financial sense) to every chapter. I don't think there are enough blood angel players, alone, willing to buy such an ugly pregnant-goldfish-flyer.

Slackermagee wrote:It would make sense to give the stormraven (in a financial sense) to every chapter. I don't think there are enough blood angel players, alone, willing to buy such an ugly pregnant-goldfish-flyer.

And that's why it's also going to be available to the Grey Knights. Probably will be, later on, shoehorned in as an assault craft for the Inquisitorial Stormtroopers too.

That's three forces right there. Not just Blood Angels players.

SPACE SHARK STORMRAVEN TOASTERISH LOOKING THING FTW

I feel bad for all the other Space Marine folk. Now their chapters have that thing canonically rammed into their launch bays. Just imagine poor Calgar's face as he wakes up one day to find a dozen blue Stormpelicans staring at him from the foot of his bed.

Keep it away from Codex Chaos Space Marines please. We can have something like jetbikes for our special flying unit. Anything to spare the Raven.

Someone was kind enough to post these pictures on the BoLS Lounge. I'm liking this model more and more as I get to see more of it. It looks pretty good to me now that you can get an unobstructed view. I hope I can paint one for my Spears Of Ares as well as Grey Knights.

I dig it.

That is how you present a new model! I already kinda liked it to be honest and figured that the weirdness was due to the angle. This just proves it for me. Especially the the pictures of it from the back sides. Only thing I'll probably do is change the turret to a razorback turret as I don't like the domed turret look.

Agreed, that looks good. I'll be buying a few, when do they go for sale?

Advance Orders for the new Blood Angel models go on the GW website tomorrow, Wednesday, Jan. 19.

BrassScorpion wrote:Advance Orders for the new Blood Angel models go on the GW website tomorrow, Wednesday, Jan. 19.

Sweet, thanks.

Rather than make some crappy expansion like spearhead, I would hope they just fix the whole "skimmer-flyer" thing. Expand the rules, write an faq and errata. Make it so anything with the new valk flying base utilize the new expanded rules.

A few fixes should be expanding the weapons rules to encompass 45 degrees downward. The rulebook only mentions weapons being able to fire 45 up, no mention of down. I would also like it if only jetbikes or jump infantry could assault "skimmer-flyers".

I like it too!

But... where does the Dread fit on this?

Alpharius wrote:I like it too!

But... where does the Dread fit on this?

He rides on top (or drives).

while admittedly better looking in those pics than the others, it's still an ugly duckling that i'll be taking a knife to right away when i buy mine.

Anyone who grabs on and doesnt like the turret should totally PM me :-P

I think those turrets would make awsome Razorback turrets.

How do you managed to take photos of this thing and STILL not manage to show the rear. Is a profile shot really that hard?

From those pics it still appears to have nothing other than a thin line joining the tail, engines and wings. And the turret is still a POS.

I agree about the turret looking 'off,' and I think subbing in a Razorback turret is the way to go. As for the tail, it's not the right angle to tell.

Alpharius wrote:I like it too! But... where does the Dread fit on this?

Perhaps in the raised area in the rear under the tail or maybe he rides on the wing like the gremlin in Nightmare At 20,000 Feet. But seriously, folks, 40K transports are like that old college fad of phone-booth stuffing, but with more imagination and more violation of the laws of physics. And I'm really glad these days the transports are all a bit undersized because I have enough trouble storing my enormous 20-year and growing model collection as it is. The more pictures there are of this Stormraven the better I like it.

There are pictures of the new Furioso fully assembled out on the BoLS Lounge now as well. It will be great for Chaos Dread conversions with those talons...

is that the magna grapple on the top?

warboss wrote:is that the magna grapple on the top?

Good eye. Either that's the magna-grapple or Dreadnoughts have their "area" on top of their heads.

Sweet Pics but I am not pleased with the Idea that all chapters are going to get the Stormraven I wanted it to be a BA GK thing but what can ya do.

That Dreadnought looks interesting. These new pics of the Storm Raven also make me like it a little more. As for the BA players you guys still have the Baal Predator a new Dreadnought kit, fancy guard and the Sanguinor (living saint from WH basically ) so no real need to complain about it.

Dread =

Wow. I had forgotten about the Magna-Grapple. I 'spose I'd shunted it off to the "Too stupid a concept to remain in my standard memory" section of my brain.

And it looks... silly. Not as bad as I thought it might be. Still, I'm amazed they actually made a part for it. Still a stupid absurd concept with pants-on-head slowed rules. On the bright side at least Ward didn't call it a "Blood Grapple".

Ugly Green Trog wrote:Well from a purely selfish POV I will childishly shout:


HANDS OFF ITS OURS WE GOT IT FIRST!!

But i guess I am glad everyone else gets it too, a bit glad anyway

Ahah, unless you are a GK player, you are sadly mistaken

I like the chibihawk now, it'll look great once you remove the hood scoop and turret.

Are people forgetting that Black Templars had to share the LRC! And we've not had an update in forever! No sour grapes here! Anyhoo I'll be getting at least one of these bad boys and the new dread kit for my Templars. Mmmm Shiney!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lets not forget the Space Wolves were robbed of the tank named after their Primarch

So my salamanders can have them some nose-cone meltas?

Rumor flying around that the stormraven will be available to other chapters via apoc formations. I hope this isn't true and just some hater speak:(

BrassScorpion wrote: I'm liking this model more and more as I get to see more of it. It looks pretty good to me now that you can get an unobstructed view.

Agreed...whether or not you like how GW has 'built' it - the sum of its parts = awesome model. Can't wait to get.

"Apocalypse Only" for other chapters would equal 'no sale' for me.

And, I'd imagine, less sales for GW too.

"Requiring" 3+ Stormravens in Apocalypse? No thanks!

jspyd3rx wrote:Rumor flying around that the stormraven will be available to other chapters via apoc formations. I hope this isn't true and just some hater speak:(

It's available to all Space Marine armies already via Apocalypse, which is to say anyone could use one with their army in Apocalypse even though the selection would be from the BA or GK Codex while the rest of their army might be from Codex SM or Wolves, etc. Remember, in Apocalypse one can use models from multiple army books. In this case, though, one could easily paint the model in their army's livery so that it looks like it "belongs" rather than having it appear as an "ally" unit. If they don't make rules to use them with Codex Space Marines, I may paint one for my Spears Of Ares anyway to use in Apocalypse games.

In two years, I have never played apoc. It would be super slowed of me to buy three for apoc only. Now if they make it to where any chapter can use it for tourneys. I would buy three now in advance order.

One thing people arn't discussion and I think it bears fruit here is that will bloodstrike missiles make the conversion across.

They will probably become Knightstrike missiles for the Grey Knights .... Maybe???

I assume if they get an any space marine release they may become the Vanillastrike missiles.

Maybe those are too likely to be jokes actually.

I've got it from a secondhand source that the next White Dwarf (though this might be March's, not February's) will have a Chapter Approved for the Stormraven. That said, secondhand info, so be skeptical.

Kinda sucks... It would have been nice to keep them unique-ish, but then again it makes no sense money wise, so i guess we will have to share!

I"m guessing "Nemesis" is the new "Blood" in the upcoming C: GK.

bhsman wrote:I've got it from a secondhand source that the next White Dwarf (though this might be March's, not February's) will have a Chapter Approved for the Stormraven. That said, secondhand info, so be skeptical.

I can more than agree with that, I think White Dwarf will be all for trying to sell more copies by doing something like this. I'd say it would be a trick missed if they didn't.
Will have to get one for my imperial fists, they need a faster way of getting across the board.

It would make business sense to give the storm raven to all Space marine Chapters in order to sell as many as possible to maximize profit.

The Storm Raven as it is in the Blood Angels codex isn't that appealing rules wise. Its great if you go first but at av12 with a couple eggs in its basket you have to reserve going second.

The model is really ugly. Maybe it will looks less terrible with a swap to a Razorback tl las turret and removing the scoop part on top.

As previously helpfully already mentioned, I'll be building mine without the air intake and without the turret on top - and it will look great!

Alpharius wrote:As previously helpfully already mentioned, I'll be building mine without the air intake and without the turret on top - and it will look great!

Nifty idea, looks like that will be fairly easy to do too. What with the intake being a separate part of it's own. Putting the turret on the underside might make it look more like a gunship as well. Huzzah!

I like how you're thinking!

I've long wanted a Baal Pred in my DIY chapter of marines, even if it was 0-1. Why you make a hyper effective anti infantry tank for an army that specializes in HtH I'll never know...

The Stormraven... well, I'll see the rules on it first. Looks to me like $70 spent on something that won't be playable next edition.

the other question is whether or not your opponent would consider white dwarf rules to even be something you can use without his permission... i'm waiting to see if my deathwing can get a storm raven.. if so, i'll get a single one to convert. if not, i won't despite having a 5,000pt BA army. My BA are done and all older edition models; having a new sculpt ruins the OOP model theme that i've acquired (but didn't intend to.. my army is just old!).

If it's just like the Nightspinner it's official to play anytime and anywhere you want. Granted that's subject to the normal limitations of your opponent wanting to play you. But as for official events it would be legal.

Hey, if it's February or March's WD then it would be legal for Adepticon right?

I personally dont like em'

Bad news by BramGaunt over at Warseer:

Just skimmed through feb WD.

There are NO rules for the Stormraven to use it in other armies. The complete rules, however, are in the WD - including pointcosts, special rules, options, but no sentence that you may use it in another army than GK and Blood Angels. Punchline, all that is missing ist the wording "the Sr is a heavy support choice for all SM Armies" The Hobbyarticle states the SR to be a Space Marine vehicle.
Using the Storm Raven outside of Ba/Gk armies is therefor a gentlemens agreement.

BTW the magna Grapple is just a small round elevation like a sucker cup with hinted at claws.

Then again, I am completely sure that someone can come up with some hand based magna-grappling goodness, so your dreads are all mimicing scorpion ( ala Mortal Kombat ) when that sentinel starts running away

"Get over here!" indeed!

At least you know that when that guardsmen has started get yanked towards the "big angry black and red machine" he has already soiled himself as the big mechanical voice yells that over the vox.

I built the Stormraven for my local GW today. I have to say, the model is surprisingly good after seeing the pictures of it. There simply is not a single photo of the thing out there that does it justice.

BTW the magna Grapple is just a small round elevation like a sucker cup with hinted at claws.

There's also a winch next to what looks like the Grapple with cable reeled in on it, making it appear as if the magnet can descend on a cable to pick up or drop off the Dreadnought it carries.

Kroothawk wrote:Bad news by BramGaunt over at Warseer:

Just skimmed through feb WD.

There are NO rules for the Stormraven to use it in other armies. The complete rules, however, are in the WD - including pointcosts, special rules, options, but no sentence that you may use it in another army than GK and Blood Angels. Punchline, all that is missing ist the wording "the Sr is a heavy support choice for all SM Armies" The Hobbyarticle states the SR to be a Space Marine vehicle.
Using the Storm Raven outside of Ba/Gk armies is therefor a gentlemens agreement.

BTW the magna Grapple is just a small round elevation like a sucker cup with hinted at claws.

For whatever reason, I'm having a had time swallowing this one. For one, why bother putting some of its rules in the WD, and then not saying what armies it can be used for, and why leave out who can use it (and in what FOC slot) and even bother having the rules in there?

If they want to sale more of the Stormravens they ought to make them available to ALL 40k Models. Heck, why not fantasy too?

My Dwarves would love to come charging out of one of them!

Commander Endova wrote:For whatever reason, I'm having a had time swallowing this one. For one, why bother putting some of its rules in the WD, and then not saying what armies it can be used for, and why leave out who can use it (and in what FOC slot) and even bother having the rules in there?

Well, the Stompa was more expensive, for just one army (with no chance to make it fit into any other army) and not even for standard games but only Apocalypse games. Still it sold so well that GW will do more big kits like this.

Alpharius wrote:I"m guessing "Nemesis" is the new "Blood" in the upcoming C: GK.

Nemesis! Grey Knights had their weapon prefix-word before they were cool. These will be Psystrike missiles.

To all the marine players complaining about other marine chapters getting Ravens:

No problem. Just give us back out Land Raider Crusaders and we will be on our way

liam0404 wrote:To all the marine players complaining about other marine chapters getting Ravens:

No problem. Just give us back out Land Raider Crusaders and we will be on our way

Ok fair trade IMO. How are we going to tell all the marine players using the crusader they can't any more?

Kid_Kyoto wrote:It's good to hear a traditionally unsupported and unappreciated army is getting a new toy.

No.

Wait.

I mean the opposite don't I?


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By the by I upload the sprue pics into the gallery.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/images-518-1484_Sprues.html

Yeah, they'll be giving out the storm raven to space marines (who aren't spikey) like Oprah gives out cars, "YOU GET A STORM RAVEN, AND YOU GET A STORM RAVEN!"

The xenos/Chaos group: "And us? Please ma'am, what about us?"

Oprah/GW: How DARE YOU QUESTION MY AUTHORITY! Buy a Space Marine army-A REAL ONE YOU CHAOS WHELPS!

liam0404 wrote:To all the marine players complaining about other marine chapters getting Ravens:

No problem. Just give us back out Land Raider Crusaders and we will be on our way

And give us back our Land Speeder Tornados, while you are at it.

Steelmage99 wrote:

liam0404 wrote:To all the marine players complaining about other marine chapters getting Ravens:

No problem. Just give us back out Land Raider Crusaders and we will be on our way

And give us back our Land Speeder Tornados, while you are at it.

Only if you give Dark Angels back Termies as troops.

GW are pretty cunning, eh?

1. Stormraven = great special rules.
2. Most armies are SMs.
3. Sell it to all of them.
4. Profit!

That's a formidable marketing strategy.

http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2011/1/23/176697_tb-The%20New%20StormRaven.jpg[img]
But It would Be awesome if we all had it but i would convert the wings because face it they look rediculous

We still have no confirmation that they are going to be accessible for all Chapters though do we?

Although it would make business sense and we kind of expect it from GW, we still have nothing solid to go by that it will be released for all Chapters do we?

We have confirmation that the February White Dwarf doesn't allow other chapters to, but that might change in march.

BTW, Just Dave, where is your avatar from?

So yes, there is still no confirmation that all Chapters will have access to it...

The name Neverhood sound familiar? Where's yours fro--- oooh...

I suspect that C: SM and C: DA (MAYBE) will get it, but C: BT, C: CSM, and C: SW will not. Simply because Chaos never gets anything, SW already have their feature unit, TWC, and Black Templar not getting it is just a hunch.

Then again, I'm likely completly off, and incorrrect on all assumptions (except for CSM of course).

IMO the best use of the Stormraven is a BA dreadnought delivery system. Dreads with Talons, especially DC dreads, can tear through units big or small once delivered. The key is getting there and the Stormraven helps facilitate that like no other. Even if the other SM chapters could get access to one, they don't have the dread assault power the BA have to take full advantage of delivering the dread in the first place. If you just wanted an assault vehicle to deliver troops or termies, then the LR is better. The SR outshines the LR in it's dreadnought delivery capabilities.


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BTW Chaos needs one of these in the worst way and it has to come from the FA slot. You make that happen GW and Chaos Space marines will be fighting with the big boys at the top tables.

Just Dave wrote:So yes, there is still no confirmation that all Chapters will have access to it...

The name Neverhood sound familiar? Where's yours fro--- oooh...

THERE WE GO!!! I knew it looked familiar! Gonna have to find a copy of that game to play it again.

DarthDiggler wrote:
BTW Chaos needs one of these in the worst way and it has to come from the FA slot. You make that happen GW and Chaos Space marines will be fighting with the big boys at the top tables.

Chaos needs something, but this isn't it. Really. This would only be a stopgap measure, like duct-taping a chest wound and not going to the hospital.

HQ - Lash Prince
HQ - Kharn
EL - Chaos dread with ccw
TR - 10 CSM, icog, las/plas in rhino
TR - 8 Berzerkers, champ w/ fist
TR - 10 CSM, 2 meltaguns, icog champ w/ fist, rhino
FA - Stormraven, MM + donkey cannon
HV - 3 obliterators
HV - 3 obliterators
HV - Land Raider w/ armor


Here is a real quick 2k CSM list with the SR in FA. IMO Chaos has always lacked a serious threat in the EL and FA slots. Now in one fell swoop you get both and a much more potent list.

DarthDiggler wrote:HQ - Lash Prince
HQ - Kharn
EL - Chaos dread with ccw
TR - 10 CSM, icog, las/plas in rhino
TR - 8 Berzerkers, champ w/ fist
TR - 10 CSM, 2 meltaguns, icog champ w/ fist, rhino
FA - Stormraven, MM + donkey cannon
HV - 3 obliterators
HV - 3 obliterators
HV - Land Raider w/ armor


Here is a real quick 2k CSM list with the SR in FA. IMO Chaos has always lacked a serious threat in the EL and FA slots. Now in one fell swoop you get both and a much more potent list.

I would actually want to take a chaos dreadnought. With them as unpredictable as they are. The storm raven would actually mitigate (somewhat) the crap where they shoot your own guys and all. I read about the crazed rule and said "Pfft, guess GW just saved me from buying a dreadnought and having to convert it to chaos"

Kilkrazy wrote:GW are pretty cunning, eh?

1. Stormraven = great special rules.
2. Most armies are SMs.
3. Sell it to all of them.
4. Profit!

That's a formidable marketing strategy.

Why do I get the feeling, Killkrazy, your not entirely appreciating the genius behind all this.

Sometimes the simpler the strategy the better, there is not always a good reason to complicate thing.

Kilkrazy wrote:GW are pretty cunning, eh?

1. Stormraven = great special rules.
2. Most armies are SMs.
3. Sell it to all of them.
4. Profit!

That's a formidable marketing strategy.

True but they don't always do what is smart and will make them the most money. Every now and then the counter-intuitive GW rears it's ugly head and we are left scratching our heads.

chaos0xomega wrote:We have confirmation that the February White Dwarf doesn't allow other chapters to, but that might change in march.

But why would they put an entire Chapter Approved article about it in the February issue and not the confirmation all chapters get to use it, only to put that confirmation in the March issue

I'm guessing that GW may try to tempt people to start an ENTIRE NEW ARMY in order to get access to the STORMRAVEN.

In other words, better go buy a BA or, even better, a GK force so you can use the new shiny!

Then, when 6th Edition rolls around, all SM chapters will have access.

Alpharius wrote:Then, when 6th Edition rolls around, all SM chapters will have access.

My money's on this. I expect to see it in the 6th ed. marine dex

Well if thats the case, Alpharius and Mukkin'About, it will be some time befor I need one of these fugly flying whales.

Absolutionis wrote:It makes sense that all Space Marine chapters would get Stormravens usable so long as you're playing FlyersExpansion the same way that they can use Baneblades and Heirophants so long as you're playing Apocalypse.

It seems unlikely that we'll get a Nightspinner-like WD-approved addendum to all Space Marine codecies.

Why not? More chapters have the stormraven available means more stormraven kits sold, which means more money for GW.

Makes sense....

It makes sense for loyalist Marines to get it down the line, but thinking Chaos would is completely ridiculous. Chaos doesn't even have landspeeders or drop pods, things that have been around since the Heresy. Stormravens are more recent in the fluff, if I'm not mistaken?

TBD wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:We have confirmation that the February White Dwarf doesn't allow other chapters to, but that might change in march.

But why would they put an entire Chapter Approved article about it in the February issue and not the confirmation all chapters get to use it, only to put that confirmation in the March issue

Sorry, it was meant to be a sarcastic comment, I forgot the smiley, fixed

liam0404 wrote:To all the marine players complaining about other marine chapters getting Ravens:

No problem. Just give us back out Land Raider Crusaders and we will be on our way

No trouble... Now if you will all pass out your Relic blades and wrist-mounted weapons, our Grey Knights here will collect them

Man, for the first time in... well.. ever, I get a plastic kit with GK/=I= symbols and already all the SM crybabies want it. Where were my 3++ SS (heck, we're the last marines not to have them, even post-FAQ!)? My assault 4 rending assault cannons? My... well everything that SM have?

I KNOW it makes perfect business sense for GW to give SR to every marine/CSM player out there, but keep your hands off my toys.



Phil

hmmm...isn't the stormchicken the offspring of the storm bird?...and if I remember all sm legions had access to them...hmm...maybe I need to look in that vault behind the locked doors in the fang basement and see what is really there....oh look a Storm Bird...and a couple Leman Russ Exterminators...well now that's where the darn things went

I would actually like to see stormravens in all chapters. Imperial guards get fliers, maybe we're seeing fliers becoming more common and available, adding a new twist to the game.

I'll stop thinking of it as the Chibi-hawk if they make a Chaos spikey version. Then it will be the PUFFER FISH OF DOOM!!!one!!!1

Well I'll just wait.

If rules for the Storm Raven are not made for all SM chapters... I won't buy one. Except if they make a good Grey Knights codex all in plastic... and for good I mean not cheesy. I know I'm dreaming... and pretty hard also.

Wait a second. I thought restricting this to Blood Angels only was supposed to be a good thing? Given how obnoxiously screwball it looks, why does everyone seem to be pining for one?

Breotan wrote:Wait a second. I thought restricting this to Blood Angels only was supposed to be a good thing? Given how obnoxiously screwball it looks, why does everyone seem to be pining for one?

basically... why do they have to waste money on making a thing like that... wich costs € 52,00= only for one or two armies ? I mean... Space Marines are the most sold in GW, if they don't do a thing like this they are crazy!

It's like the Land Raider Crusader, made for the Black Templars, then everyone wanted one and they had it... first with White Dwarf rules 0-1 then in the new codex... everyone could get it.

KOS wrote:

Breotan wrote:Wait a second. I thought restricting this to Blood Angels only was supposed to be a good thing? Given how obnoxiously screwball it looks, why does everyone seem to be pining for one?

basically... why do they have to waste money on making a thing like that... wich costs € 52,00= only for one or two armies ? I mean... Space Marines are the most sold in GW, if they don't do a thing like this they are crazy!

It's like the Land Raider Crusader, made for the Black Templars, then everyone wanted one and they had it... first with White Dwarf rules 0-1 then in the new codex... everyone could get it.

Furthermore, some might want it because of the rules. It is possible to proxy a Stormraven with something else.

Well this model is not so great in fact.... I'd love to substitute it with a model of the drop ship in Aliens but I can't find it. :(

Otherwise the Old Crow Model may give something useful but it resembles a Valkyrie rather than a Space Marine flyer.

Gitzbitah wrote:The real question is how many Thunderwolves can fit inside a Stormraven?

Poor Space Wolves: getting two silly looking units in so short of a time span...

Alpharius wrote:I'm guessing that GW may try to tempt people to start an ENTIRE NEW ARMY in order to get access to the STORMRAVEN.

This. BA players already know what it does, so the only reason for GW to put the full rules in WD is to show the rest of us how awesome the new BA toy is and we should all totally play BA.

KOS wrote:
It's like the Land Raider Crusader, made for the Black Templars, then everyone wanted one and they had it... first with White Dwarf rules 0-1 then in the new codex... everyone could get it.

Where is my Baal Pattern Predator?

This is why I play the Ultramarines.

I have a Valkyrie sitting around that will become a SR if this is true.

I'm quite pleased.

ceorron wrote:I assume if they get an any space marine release they may become the Vanillastrike missiles.

This made me lol. Thanks for making my morning.

liam0404 wrote:Just give us back out Land Raider Crusaders and we will be on our way

No problem. Redeemers are better anyway!

Kilkrazy wrote:GW are pretty cunning, eh?

1. Stormraven = great special rules.
2. Most armies are SMs.
3. Sell it to all of them.
4. Profit!

That's a formidable marketing strategy.

But you're forgetting another step, if not THE most important step! Observe:

1. Stormraven = great special rules.
2. Most armies are SMs.
3. Sell it to all of them.
4. ????
5. Profit!

NOW, it makes complete sense!

TBD wrote:But why would they put an entire Chapter Approved article about it in the February issue and not the confirmation all chapters get to use it, only to put that confirmation in the March issue

Probably because they want people to continue reading their magazine...

Just Dave wrote:Well considering that Chaos Space Marines don't even use Land Speeders, Plasma Cannons or newer Technology available to the modern Astartes, I can't imagine them receiving a shiney new Storm Raven...

Actually, they do get Plasma Cannons, albeit only for a single unit, but it's there. (See Obliterators)

As for my thoughts on the Storm Raven being available for all chapters, I'm actually not in favor of it. And yes, I am saying this as a Ultramarine player. Not because I'd feel compelled to buy one for my army if it became legal for my codex (which I more than likely will do if/when it does happen), but because I'm getting tired of seeing the lack of exclusiveness that codices ought to have. Bare in mind that I am a very new player (in the grand scheme of the game, at least), and have limited knowledge on which codex had access to which unit first, and blah blah blah blah... I had no idea that LRC's were not released for C:SM primarily, but can understand the frustration on this example. That being said, I can see how giving access of the Storm Raven to other armies could make BA players think "WTF!?" Fluff-wise, it makes little sense for C:SM to have access to it, as it's lacking in their literature (at least from what I've read). But then of course, this can also change, as someone else pointed out earlier.

At any rate, I can understand why GW would consider making it accessible to other SM armies, as Killkrazy pointed out that it would almost surely increase their revenue and sales. Space Marines are the "Flagship Army" of GW, and anything that'll help market their best seller is just a textbook play out of the theories and practices of effective marketing. As a person who studied it himself, and as a businessman, I can understand and appreciate the idea of it. However, as a gamer, and an Ultramarine player, I don't...

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to find a way to save some extra spending cash for when it does become accessible to C:SM...

I play Ravenguard and I hate this. For non-codex chapters Its a never ending cycle of self justification. To justify a non-codex chapter having a book, it has to have something that distinguishes it from the rest. If that uniqueness is than made available to all chapters, it dilutes the uniqueness and diminishes the worth of the non-codex chapter's rules. It creates a cycle and pattern where with each revisiting of an army and a new codex, the degree to which they must be reimagined is greater. Vanilla marines do not need anymore, the vanilla codex is already over saturated with options and in this instance its also a bit contradictory to the fluff for the unit.

I tend to think the Stormraven isn't really going to be available to all marines, for regular games. That this rumor is really some how connected to its availablility to all marines in the Flyer-centric expansion GW's putting out in the summer.

I think the stupidest part is people making the assumption that just because the rules are in White Dwarf that it's going to be made available to everyone else.

White Dwarf used to, when previewing new and exciting items, show the rules.

Why? Because it might be something that people aren't used to having to play against. It lets people who don't own a copy of the associated Codex know what they'll be facing.

Footsloggin wrote:I suspect that C: SM and C: DA (MAYBE) will get it, but C: BT, C: CSM, and C: SW will not. Simply because Chaos never gets anything, SW already have their feature unit, TWC, and Black Templar not getting it is just a hunch.

It's a Marine skimmer, so Chaos won't get it. They throw away all of that stuff when they turn traitor - I guess Maschine Kult Techmarines are more Imperial fanatic than Spase Marins...

That said, it's a lock for vanilla and DA, on top of BA & GK.

As a Fast Assault Transport, it fits well with Templars, so I'd expect the BT to get it.

Woofs are a question mark, and I can't see how they'd get their woofs on thunderwoofs inside, so I'm going to say, no. The sheer stupidity of woofs on woofs says they shouldn't get any more toys. A spase woof on a spase woof inna flying spase woof? Hell no.
____

@RB: CSM Dreads can't take Plasma Cannon?

The Decapitator wrote:I have it on quite good authority that following the release of the Stormraven Gunship with the Blood Angels new models in a few weeks, the next issue of White Dwarf will contain rules/fluff which will enable all Space Marine chapters to use the unit.

Whether or not this is happening because of the rumoured Flyer ruleset expansion is anyones guess, but with BA definately and GK almost certainly getting the Stormraven, I am pretty confident that this will be confirmed in due course and there will be Stormravens all around!

The Milky Bars are on me!

i think that the doors should be compatible with the forge world rhino doors

i might convert it for ork supabomma

CSM Dreads get plasmacannons too.

Didn't someone clip an article showing that only BA and GK get SRs?

I agree that they're putting the rules in to familiarize non-BA players with the rules, and to tempt them into starting BA or GK.

Mannahnin wrote:CSM Dreads get plasmacannons too.

Didn't someone clip an article showing that only BA and GK get SRs?

I agree that they're putting the rules in to familiarize non-BA players with the rules, and to tempt them into starting BA or GK.

It's on the Box back, IT shows the ][ painted up SR.

Wow! This may actually draw my attention away from Warmachine, Flames of War, and Firestorm armada!

CT GAMER wrote:

Gitzbitah wrote:The real question is how many Thunderwolves can fit inside a Stormraven?

Poor Space Wolves: getting two silly looking units in so short of a time span...

I agree with JohnHwangDD. CSM almost certainly wont get it, nothing to say they wont get some other flyer though.

And I just can't imagine it being the sort of things space wolves would use. Flying wolves just dosn't fit for me, I think landspeeders are really a stretch for them truth be told, so I don't think they will be getting it either.

As for this diluting the codex, don't think it does, blood angles have lots and lots of very differing units and layout from your normal space marine force to the point where I don't know how they can consider themselves to still be a codex astartees army any more really.

A light flier for Chaos Marines would be great, but also a major break from their design philosophy. The Hell Blade, perhaps? A good unit in Fast Attack would be real welcome!

On topic: The Storm Raven model represents a significant investment in design and production. Making the Storm Raven more widely available would certainly sell more kits. Also, it just might look better in blue.

Exopheric wrote:A light flier for Chaos Marines would be great, but also a major break from their design philosophy. The Hell Blade, perhaps? A good unit in Fast Attack would be real welcome!

On topic: The Storm Raven model represents a significant investment in design and production. Making the Storm Raven more widely available would certainly sell more kits. Also, it just might look better in blue.

that model is awful in red. Every other color would do, but red kills it. Come on, the Grey Knight version is much.. MUCH better!

Considering this thread is still open due to the news coming out in White Dwarf (maybe) is pretty funny. Do people actually buy that stupid magazine still? *Sigh* I guess they do.

I don't anymore from... what... 2 years ? I just get it when and IF there are new rules coming out. If not, the magazine stays right where it is with all its advertise and false battle reports.

Sigh

I've bought OLD White Dwarf where they talked about the hobby, convertions and background... now it's just rubbish.

KOS wrote:

Exopheric wrote:A light flier for Chaos Marines would be great, but also a major break from their design philosophy. The Hell Blade, perhaps? A good unit in Fast Attack would be real welcome!

On topic: The Storm Raven model represents a significant investment in design and production. Making the Storm Raven more widely available would certainly sell more kits. Also, it just might look better in blue.

that model is awful in red. Every other color would do, but red kills it. Come on, the Grey Knight version is much.. MUCH better!

Yep, it grew on me quite a bit after I saw it in the Grey Knight colors. But, oops, I play Blood Angels. When I get around to picking one up, it's getting a Death Company paint scheme. Anything but flat red.

I assume as WD is out in 3 days, someone must have an sub copy by now.

Oh, and as it's the 'in thing' I must *sigh* as I mentioned WD...

Got my WD in the post today, the SR stats are simply that. No word from what I saw after a skim about what chapters can/cannot use it, it's just the rules straight out of the codex.. weird.

I just realized - there's nothing in the SR rules that say that it can't transport Terminators, right? At least I couldn't find anything in the BA SR rules that say that. Has that been FAQ'd?

If not, that means that if all the SM Codices can get SRs that my Deathwing Squads and DW Dread could get lifted into combat in one....I'll have to think on the ramifications of that.

Personally, I'm amazed that this thread is still going (for six pages of all things) and there is still NO CONFIRMATION AS TO ALL CHAPTERS GETTING STORM RAVENS.
We haven't even got any substantial rumour or reasoning, other than it making sense from a business point of view...


@ Death by monkeys; yes, you can transport terminators.

Just Dave wrote:Personally, I'm amazed that this thread is still going (for six pages of all things) and there is still NO CONFIRMATION AS TO ALL CHAPTERS GETTING STORM RAVENS.
We haven't even got any substantial rumour or reasoning, other than it making sense from a business point of view...

Oh there's confirmation.

Just that the truth is the article confirms exactly the opposite of what this rumor is. There's nothing in the article saying "All Space Marine Codices can use this item".

Exactly.

Rest in peace, dear "All Space Marine Chapters to get Stormraven rules!" thread!

Maybe you were just ahead of your time...

...see you in 6th Edition!