During the Horus heresy when the emperor still had a physical body and was mobile how strong was he exactly ?. To be especially specific could he survive a hunter killer missile to the face ?, its been a long running dispute at my local Gw store and just wanted to hear some opinions. I mean I understand he's psychic and could likely telekinetically push it away, but say for some reason he couldnt and the full force of a hunter killer missile hit him in the face would he survive ?.

His physical body wouldn't. But remember, this is the Emperor you're talking about. Essentially, he represents a warp god in physical form.

In the simplest terms, it's not like he'd even have to push the missile away with his psychic powers. It would simply miss him because he's that awesome.

(unless he willed it to hit him)

From what I know the HK wouldn't even touch him. Terminator Armour shields and his psychic barriers would almost certainly stop it in it's tracks.

The question is what would happen if his terminator shields and everything didn't work for some reason, so that he did get hit.

I imagine the Emporer is T4, so the missile would Instant Death him, but he almost certainly has Eternal Warrior, so he would survive that and take a wound.

It should go without saying that the Emporer has more than one wound.

Kilkrazy wrote:The question is what would happen if his terminator shields and everything didn't work for some reason, so that he did get hit.

I imagine the Emporer is T4, so the missile would Instant Death him, but he almost certainly has Eternal Warrior, so he would survive that and take a wound.

It should go without saying that the Emporer has more than one wound.

Just imagine that instead of hitting his face, instead of massive pressure damage to organs and his armour the warhead was a dud or that it glanced off of a finely filiagred greave on his armour to explode further away.

Mr. Burning wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:The question is what would happen if his terminator shields and everything didn't work for some reason, so that he did get hit.

I imagine the Emporer is T4, so the missile would Instant Death him, but he almost certainly has Eternal Warrior, so he would survive that and take a wound.

It should go without saying that the Emporer has more than one wound.

Just imagine that instead of hitting his face, instead of massive pressure damage to organs and his armour the warhead was a dud or that it glanced off of a finely filiagred greave on his armour to explode further away.

I meant more in real life terms as opposed to on the tabletop, You could say itd shred him just like anyother human but I get mixed reactions from the people at my local gaming store, some say he must have like iron skin or that he could withstand the force / heat of the explosion just to him being that physically resistant.

well this is the emperor we are talking about. he would have had the most unbelievably pimped artificer armour imaginable.
Problem is 40k dudes tend to go without the helmet. poor choice.
Anyways, if he was hit with it, he'd live. he'd come out with some cool face scars but i'm sure he'd "lessen the impact" with psychic shenanigans or whatnot.
After all, the emperor protects.. his beautiful face

ChronoCupcake wrote:

Mr. Burning wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:The question is what would happen if his terminator shields and everything didn't work for some reason, so that he did get hit.

I imagine the Emporer is T4, so the missile would Instant Death him, but he almost certainly has Eternal Warrior, so he would survive that and take a wound.

It should go without saying that the Emporer has more than one wound.

Just imagine that instead of hitting his face, instead of massive pressure damage to organs and his armour the warhead was a dud or that it glanced off of a finely filiagred greave on his armour to explode further away.

I meant more in real life terms as opposed to on the tabletop, You could say itd shred him just like anyother human but I get mixed reactions from the people at my local gaming store, some say he must have like iron skin or that he could withstand the force / heat of the explosion just to him being that physically resistant.

Well if you strip away his supreme powers, and with these, his super human potential then...

I regret to inform you that your leader ..The Emperor... is dead, presumed totally immolated. I am assured that he was striving for humanities salvation and protection up to the moment the most banal explosive projectile took his life.

Please note that the forces of the Empyrean are now ripping through reality and corrupting everything in their path.

Yours.

The Council of Terra.

But sure, being superhuman he could totally ignore that mo=fo'ing missile and bring some pain to whomever fired it.

Hope that helps.

seeing as a HK missile is not exactly devastating, as are the foes he has faced in his life?
he could take it.

An ork boy nearly choked the life out of the Big E according to my 2nd Ed fluff, and Horus saved his life. So I'm thinking a Hunter Killer Missile to the face would probably mess him up good-o.

That question is like asking if a HK missile would hit Chuch norris in the face. NO he would roundhouse it away

xD yeah I think its a pretty redundant question like one of those could god make a stone so heavy he couldnt lift it question, As in it'd undermine the entire point if god / the emperor did either of those things.

I'm quite sure he could stop it, Neo style.

But if, for the sake of plot, it actually got through...

...he still wouldn't die. If a Callidus assassin can keep their body intact through sheer force of will whilst under the influence of polymorphine, I'm quite sure the Emperor could hold himself together/instaregen after being hit by a missile.

He'd just stomp out looking all dread and on fire, like Eva-01.

Let see the thing that managed to cripple the emperor is Horus, hence the HK missile have to be able to be stronger than Horus with the Emperor letting the HK hits him ( He didn't want to fight Horus, before Sanguinus got killed)

Hence the God Emperor would probably make the missile stop and turn back out of it's own will

The Emporer isn't a god.

Probly not kill him but at least bug the hell out of him lol.

question is could zog worts curse squig him lol

ChronoCupcake wrote:During the Horus heresy when the emperor still had a physical body and was mobile how strong was he exactly ?. To be especially specific could he survive a hunter killer missile to the face ?, its been a long running dispute at my local Gw store and just wanted to hear some opinions. I mean I understand he's psychic and could likely telekinetically push it away, but say for some reason he couldnt and the full force of a hunter killer missile hit him in the face would he survive ?.

Excluding psychic powers, and some warp fate transgression, the emperors head would be split open and unrecognizable as a head. So his physical body would have been totally wasted. Eternal warrior or not, no body survives a 10km/s jet of semi-liquid copper, THEN you have blast pressure that would kill him, then the shrapnel. Yeah, excluding psychic powers, no physical organic being of roughly human size could withstand that. And to the head, your looking at killing stuff like squigoths and gargantuan squigoths. Even terminator armor would be iffy protection. it's got a shot if hunter killers are gen II shaped charges, none at all if they are gen III, and i'm sure at least some FW's use gen III. Adamantiums a special material but it's not magic.... now a deflector shield... that would do the trick.

He'd just stomp out looking all dread and on fire, like Eva-01.

also, Eva-01 would totally kick the emperors ass.

Kilkrazy wrote:The Emporer isn't a god.

WHAT ?!?! we should have you tried for heresy


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gendoikari87 wrote:

ChronoCupcake wrote:During the Horus heresy when the emperor still had a physical body and was mobile how strong was he exactly ?. To be especially specific could he survive a hunter killer missile to the face ?, its been a long running dispute at my local Gw store and just wanted to hear some opinions. I mean I understand he's psychic and could likely telekinetically push it away, but say for some reason he couldnt and the full force of a hunter killer missile hit him in the face would he survive ?.

Excluding psychic powers, and some warp fate transgression, the emperors head would be split open and unrecognizable as a head. So his physical body would have been totally wasted. Eternal warrior or not, no body survives a 10km/s jet of semi-liquid copper, THEN you have blast pressure that would kill him, then the shrapnel. Yeah, excluding psychic powers, no physical organic being of roughly human size could withstand that. And to the head, your looking at killing stuff like squigoths and gargantuan squigoths. Even terminator armor would be iffy protection. it's got a shot if hunter killers are gen II shaped charges, none at all if they are gen III, and i'm sure at least some FW's use gen III. Adamantiums a special material but it's not magic.... now a deflector shield... that would do the trick.

He'd just stomp out looking all dread and on fire, like Eva-01.

also, Eva-01 would totally kick the emperors ass.

Man the emperor would cleave eva 01 with a glance of his incredibly chiselled masculine features, im still of the impression the Emperor could just hold his particles together through sheer force of will.

Assuming that the big e is at least a physical match for primarchs, which he is, then I reckon yes, he'd live. Most hh novels talk about primarch organics being superior in every conceivable way to human physiology. Things like bone density and skin toughness etc clearly make him more resilient. Talk of shaped charges and such is all well and good, but his body strength in relative terms is a complete unknown. Also, talk of discounting his psychic powers is like saying could he do it with no arms.. It's a part of what makes him as strong as he is, so the idea of him resisting damage by sheer force of will is entirely probable.

Kilkrazy wrote:The question is what would happen if his terminator shields and everything didn't work for some reason, so that he did get hit.

I imagine the Emporer is T4, so the missile would Instant Death him, but he almost certainly has Eternal Warrior, so he would survive that and take a wound.

It should go without saying that the Emporer has more than one wound.

The Emperor (Emporer?) is t4? And Mephiston is t6?

ph34r wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:The question is what would happen if his terminator shields and everything didn't work for some reason, so that he did get hit.

I imagine the Emporer is T4, so the missile would Instant Death him, but he almost certainly has Eternal Warrior, so he would survive that and take a wound.

It should go without saying that the Emporer has more than one wound.

The Emperor (Emporer?) is t4? And Mephiston is t6?

tehehehehe *high five* excuse the hyperbole but the emperor would be one of the rare valid uses of a t10 rating (keep in mind I have exceedingly small amounts of wargaming experience but a statline of all 10s seems to be the big hyperbole that floats around when people make overpowered characters)

ph34r wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:The question is what would happen if his terminator shields and everything didn't work for some reason, so that he did get hit.

I imagine the Emporer is T4, so the missile would Instant Death him, but he almost certainly has Eternal Warrior, so he would survive that and take a wound.

It should go without saying that the Emporer has more than one wound.

The Emperor (Emporer?) is t4? And Mephiston is t6?

Yeah, I'd have to agree. The Emperor has a much higher toughness. He was even more Superhuman than the Primarchs from what I remember, and you could easily rate every single Primarch as T6. Plus he could definitely make himself strong with his Psychic powers or even just dissipate the missile and what not. You'd need to be Horus or that super-powered Ork warlord to even think about fighting the Emperor.

Pffffft foo's, everyone knows Mephiston is possessed. That's why he's T6. That and because GW designers are fond of giving Typhus a big FU.

the Emperor was just a man as far as his body went.


Likely T4 because he's the Emperor. naturally, no Hunter Killer would get close enough to damage him, he would know it was coming and deflect it/explode it/ turn it around...


in the picture of Him facing down Horus, you will notice that he doesn't appear to be much taller then the Custodes behind him and he is certaintly shorter then Horus(even accounting for Warp Enhancement and Terminator armor)

the Primarchs seem to be taller then him physically, although the Emperor's presence seems to amplify his stature. it probably is tough to guage the Emperor's actual dimensions. His face is described as changing appearance/your perception depending on the situation. he seems like a young warlord and a beneficient old man at the same time.

Da Boss wrote:Pffffft foo's, everyone knows Mephiston is possessed. That's why he's T6. That and because GW designers are fond of giving Typhus a big FU.

I beg to differ in the BA dex it says that mephistons gene seed activated a second time a previously unheard of phenomena, which I'd theorise made him closer to a primarch's strengh then an average marine. So assuming vanilla marine t4, mephiston t6, then a primarch would be roughly t8 ? which would ideally place the Emperor at t10.


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Grey Templar wrote:the Emperor was just a man as far as his body went.


Likely T4 because he's the Emperor. naturally, no Hunter Killer would get close enough to damage him, he would know it was coming and deflect it/explode it/ turn it around...


in the picture of Him facing down Horus, you will notice that he doesn't appear to be much taller then the Custodes behind him and he is certaintly shorter then Horus(even accounting for Warp Enhancement and Terminator armor)

the Primarchs seem to be taller then him physically, although the Emperor's presence seems to amplify his stature. it probably is tough to guage the Emperor's actual dimensions. His face is described as changing appearance/your perception depending on the situation. he seems like a young warlord and a beneficient old man at the same time.

In that picture he's got his knees bent on a flight of stairs, and Horus is massively bloated by chaos powers compare him with sanguinius in that same picture, and consider that a primarch would tower above any astartes / custodian.

Kilkrazy wrote:The Emporer isn't a god.

Where is that heresy/exterminatus symbol people keep dropping on threads?

Grey Templar wrote:the Emperor was just a man as far as his body went.

You sure, heretic?

Body, yes. Soul, Hell No.


Of course, he probably made some "modifications" over the centuries.

Zoanthropes can produce warp shields, so imagine the emperor would have something similar along the surface of his body.

ph34r wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:the Emperor was just a man as far as his body went.

You sure, heretic?

Doh, he just stuck a light under his collarguard so he could walk around looking all divine and stuff.

ph34r wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:the Emperor was just a man as far as his body went.

You sure, heretic?

Off-Topic: Is that how guardian spears look? I pictured the bolter much more.. integrated i suppose

Sanguinius smashed boulders with his bare hands. Horus smashed Sanguinius like a bug. The Emeror killed Horus. A Hunter-Killer Missile would do as much damage as bugs do to your windshield.

The way I look at it is that the Emperor is the god of humanity in the same way that Mork and Gork are the ork gods. The emperor was the god of humanity, so it makes sense that he would have a human form, though it would be a perfected human form.

The Emperor isn't just glowy and psychic, he's at least 8 feet tall. Maybe 9.

Greatest thread ever.

We've been through all this nine foot stuff before. If the Emporer was nine feet tall, he would have got a bad back from thousands of years of living in houses built for human sized humans.

More to the point, how would the Emporer be T10 without loads of Geneseeds, when SMs are only T4 with loads of Geneseeds?

If the Emporer could grow to T10 without Geneseeds, why did he need to make Geneseeds in order to make SMs T4?

Eh?

Kilkrazy wrote:We've been through all this nine foot stuff before. If the Emporer was nine feet tall, he would have got a bad back from thousands of years of living in houses built for human sized humans.

More to the point, how would the Emporer be T10 without loads of Geneseeds, when SMs are only T4 with loads of Geneseeds?

If the Emporer could grow to T10 without Geneseeds, why did he need to make Geneseeds in order to make SMs T4?

Eh?

Because the geneseed is, more or less, a weak copy of a copy of the Emperor's own genes? Top that off with the fact that geneseed needs to be compatible with different genetical setups and it doesn't seem too far-fetched with T10...

As for the size of the Emperor, IIRC there's a scene in one of the HH novels where either Perturabo or Mortarion appearently "towers" above the Emperor. This leads me to believe that the Emperor is of normal human height. Worrying about back-problems on such a being seems silly tho'.

Where did the Emporer get all his special genes, then, if not from his parents? If his parents had them, why weren't they special?

Lol, the emperor most certainly NOT the size of an average human. He is AT LEAST as large as normal SM, even tho' I think that he IS 8-9 feet tall.
A hunter-killer to the face would result in a slightly blackened by smoke but otherwise unharmed Empeor. Anyone who says otherwise, or in a different way doubts The Emperor's godness will be reported to the Ordo Hereticum.

Kilkrazy wrote:Where did the Emporer get all his special genes, then, if not from his parents? If his parents had them, why weren't they special?

Quoted from WH40K Wiki:

"In the end they decided to pool their psychic energies by reincarnating as a single soul in a single human body. The thousands of shamans, as one, took poison, and as one, died. A year later the man who would become the Emperor was born. His psychic power was so potent that its energies altered his physiology and rendered him immortal so he would no longer need to reincarnate and could not be assaulted by the daemonic creatures of the Immaterium upon his death. As he grew older, his potent psychic powers began to manifest. Over many millennia, he traveled among the many peoples of mankind, using his ancient wisdom to help where he could in the guise of many different legendary, historical and religious personages."

Many quoted Black Library sources at the bottom of the wiki page.

Hope that helps.

Kilkrazy wrote:Where did the Emporer get all his special genes, then, if not from his parents? If his parents had them, why weren't they special?

The Walmart super clearenace section. I take it youve never been into the back room... You can buy it by the bucket.

Reanimator wrote:Assuming that the big e is at least a physical match for primarchs, which he is, then I reckon yes, he'd live. Most hh novels talk about primarch organics being superior in every conceivable way to human physiology. Things like bone density and skin toughness etc clearly make him more resilient. Talk of shaped charges and such is all well and good, but his body strength in relative terms is a complete unknown. Also, talk of discounting his psychic powers is like saying could he do it with no arms.. It's a part of what makes him as strong as he is, so the idea of him resisting damage by sheer force of will is entirely probable.

Irrelevant, shaped charges are several times more powerful than needed for most tanks, With the possible exception of several feet of adamantium. you need psychic powers to protect against them. Gen II are several times less powerful than gen III, and i imagine most HK's are gen II, and even Gen II would cut through any organic and most non organic material, it's basically a large clunky HIGH PRESSURE plasma weapon. Gen III are several times more powerful. Even looking at the highly abstract and inaccurate game system even if he were T10, he could still be wounded on a 6, and straight to his head would kill him (think Special ID rule for having your brain removed) Gen III being much more powerful would break the game system.

Man the emperor would cleave eva 01 with a glance of his incredibly chiselled masculine features, im still of the impression the Emperor could just hold his particles together through sheer force of will.

the emperor is not a god, Eva unit 1 however, IS.


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Mr Nobody wrote:Zoanthropes can produce warp shields, so imagine the emperor would have something similar along the surface of his body.

we are excluding psychic abilities though. if we added that in, I imagine not much could phase the emperor. Maybe a special high gamma source that was disguised so he didn't know it as killing him till he was too dead to do anything about it.


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Kilkrazy wrote:Where did the Emporer get all his special genes, then, if not from his parents? If his parents had them, why weren't they special?

the emperor had no parents, several thousand of old earths greatest mages got together and sacrificed themselves to create a near godlike being.

GazzyG wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:Where did the Emporer get all his special genes, then, if not from his parents? If his parents had them, why weren't they special?

Quoted from WH40K Wiki:

"In the end they decided to pool their psychic energies by reincarnating as a single soul in a single human body. The thousands of shamans, as one, took poison, and as one, died. A year later the man who would become the Emperor was born. His psychic power was so potent that its energies altered his physiology and rendered him immortal so he would no longer need to reincarnate and could not be assaulted by the daemonic creatures of the Immaterium upon his death. As he grew older, his potent psychic powers began to manifest. Over many millennia, he traveled among the many peoples of mankind, using his ancient wisdom to help where he could in the guise of many different legendary, historical and religious personages."

Many quoted Black Library sources at the bottom of the wiki page.

Hope that helps.

Physiology and genes aren't the same thing.

If the Emporer was nine feet tall, how did he keep going into peoples' houses without having to bend down and get a bad back?

Kilkrazy wrote:

If the Emporer was nine feet tall, how did he keep going into peoples' houses without having to bend down and get a bad back?

Hint: "the last church". The Emperor as a normal sized human. You see what he wants you to see.

I actually doubt that a HKM would get near the Emperor...
Thousands of guardsmen would be kicked in front of it and if that isn't enough then they send in ten thousands more.

Any kind of missile would hurt badly and a anti tank weapon would probably kill or a least seriously wound him. His abilities were down to skill, inteligence and being an amazing psyker. His body wasn't much more powerful than a SM. By comparing all the fluff he seems about as physically powerful as an ork warboss (his strength and toughness not skill).

Unless his face is as tough as a LR (in which case why is he wearing armour) a missile is going to do some damage. The reason he lasted so long was because he could deflect them with his powers, move out of the way or get some other guy to take the shot for him.

1hadhq- yes he can change what he looks like but thats how you see him, in reality he is still the same size and being so huge is going to be very impractical. It won't take people long to realise they should just built low rooms.

wrong thread

Da Boss wrote:An ork boy nearly choked the life out of the Big E according to my 2nd Ed fluff, and Horus saved his life. So I'm thinking a Hunter Killer Missile to the face would probably mess him up good-o.

Dang, I was going to bring this up but I was beaten to the punch.

In summary, the Emperor was still in a human body. If, for some reasons, all his defenses failed and he was actually struck by an anti-tank missile, he'd get obliterated.

That seems to be what the actual question is about. So it's not useful to discuss what defenses he actually had or how helpful they would be.


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ChronoCupcake wrote:
I beg to differ in the BA dex it says that mephistons gene seed activated a second time a previously unheard of phenomena, which I'd theorise made him closer to a primarch's strengh then an average marine. So assuming vanilla marine t4, mephiston t6, then a primarch would be roughly t8 ? which would ideally place the Emperor at t10.

This logic is entirely flawed since it assumes the Emperor was more physically capable than the Primarchs. He was not. He built them to be physical monsters*.

The only beings the Emperor ever bests in physical combat are the Primarchs, but that would only imply his superiority to them in those terms if we didn't also have evidence of his inferiority to other beings that were essentially annoyances to them.

If anything, it implies he coded in some "let me beat you up" backdoors into their psyches. Since he built them from the ground up, that is well within possibility.

*Also, we have GW official statistics for one Primarch, and he's Toughness 6.

4M2A wrote:
1hadhq- yes he can change what he looks like but thats how you see him, in reality he is still the same size and being so huge is going to be very impractical. It won't take people long to realise they should just built low rooms.

The same size of ?
As I see it, the Emperor is a great mind bound with a shell to this realm. Size may be undefined and may adapt to needs.
Or the other way round, some archeotech seems to provide more space inside than outside, especially the vault of the Dragon.

And why should anyone built low rooms?
Chaos to hide from him?

it was a warlord not a boy, and twas huge, plus i always thought he allowed it to happen so Horus had to save him, thus when he made Horus warmaster there would be less decent.. howd that pan out?

Also, wasn't it Rogal Dorn, not Horus?

Ashryu wrote:Greatest thread ever.

Hehehe ill admit It was a bit of a tongue in cheek post, was half expecting it to get closed.


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Kilkrazy wrote:

GazzyG wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:Where did the Emporer get all his special genes, then, if not from his parents? If his parents had them, why weren't they special?

Quoted from WH40K Wiki:

"In the end they decided to pool their psychic energies by reincarnating as a single soul in a single human body. The thousands of shamans, as one, took poison, and as one, died. A year later the man who would become the Emperor was born. His psychic power was so potent that its energies altered his physiology and rendered him immortal so he would no longer need to reincarnate and could not be assaulted by the daemonic creatures of the Immaterium upon his death. As he grew older, his potent psychic powers began to manifest. Over many millennia, he traveled among the many peoples of mankind, using his ancient wisdom to help where he could in the guise of many different legendary, historical and religious personages."

Many quoted Black Library sources at the bottom of the wiki page.

Hope that helps.

Physiology and genes aren't the same thing.

If the Emporer was nine feet tall, how did he keep going into peoples' houses without having to bend down and get a bad back?

His physiology is dependant on his genes and I really dont think you can bring science into it, as far as psychic powers are concerned he could go from a psychic infant to the size of a greater demon if he had the psychic power, kinda how chaos marines bloat in size and become larger and more durable the more psychic influence they absorb from the warp.

1hadhq wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:

If the Emporer was nine feet tall, how did he keep going into peoples' houses without having to bend down and get a bad back?

Hint: "the last church". The Emperor as a normal sized human. You see what he wants you to see.

This is more or less how i see it too

1hadhq wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:

If the Emporer was nine feet tall, how did he keep going into peoples' houses without having to bend down and get a bad back?

Hint: "the last church". The Emperor as a normal sized human. You see what he wants you to see.

Im of the opinion that the Emperor could change his shape and appearance at will, hence why he appears in so many different guises at different periods of time. I mean in the jac draco books he can stop the flow of time, so its already shown that hes strong enough to toy with the fabrics of reality. So he could appear as an old shrivelled man or a 10 ft tall hulking giant, he appeared in different forms infront of the primarchs right ?.


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DarknessEternal wrote:

Da Boss wrote:An ork boy nearly choked the life out of the Big E according to my 2nd Ed fluff, and Horus saved his life. So I'm thinking a Hunter Killer Missile to the face would probably mess him up good-o.

Dang, I was going to bring this up but I was beaten to the punch.

In summary, the Emperor was still in a human body. If, for some reasons, all his defenses failed and he was actually struck by an anti-tank missile, he'd get obliterated.

That seems to be what the actual question is about. So it's not useful to discuss what defenses he actually had or how helpful they would be.


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ChronoCupcake wrote:
I beg to differ in the BA dex it says that mephistons gene seed activated a second time a previously unheard of phenomena, which I'd theorise made him closer to a primarch's strengh then an average marine. So assuming vanilla marine t4, mephiston t6, then a primarch would be roughly t8 ? which would ideally place the Emperor at t10.

This logic is entirely flawed since it assumes the Emperor was more physically capable than the Primarchs. He was not. He built them to be physical monsters*.

The only beings the Emperor ever bests in physical combat are the Primarchs, but that would only imply his superiority to them in those terms if we didn't also have evidence of his inferiority to other beings that were essentially annoyances to them.

If anything, it implies he coded in some "let me beat you up" backdoors into their psyches. Since he built them from the ground up, that is well within possibility.

*Also, we have GW official statistics for one Primarch, and he's Toughness 6.

wait are you trying to say that the primarchs are equals to the emperor ?, they where essentially fragments of him none of them where individually as strong as him, wouldnt it be a bit redundant to be the leader of mankind then clone 20 copies of yourself that are just as strong and all have there own sentience thats like him asking for the horus heresy to happen. All the primarchs pre heresy knew he was there superior in every way.


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Man the emperor would cleave eva 01 with a glance of his incredibly chiselled masculine features, im still of the impression the Emperor could just hold his particles together through sheer force of will.

the emperor is not a god, Eva unit 1 however, IS.

Off topic butThe Emperor vs Eva unit 1 ? how is that even remotely fair for Eva unit 1, its just a bio organic machine birthed from a highly advanced speicies they call "angels" in the eva universe, that and it has a womans soul giving it a crude sentience and a battery that can run indefinitely. Pretty cool i guess but the emperor could just hadouken its head off.

ChronoCupcake wrote:
wait are you trying to say that the primarchs are equals to the emperor ?, they where essentially fragments of him none of them where individually as strong as him, wouldnt it be a bit redundant to be the leader of mankind then clone 20 copies of yourself that are just as strong and all have there own sentience thats like him asking for the horus heresy to happen. All the primarchs pre heresy knew he was there superior in every way.

No, what I'm saying is they were superior to him physically, not equal. This is borne out in background material.

And the Primarchs knew no such thing. They knew he was smarter and their leader. That's about it. They knew he was inferior to them physically, what with having actually witnessed in battles.

didnt he capture a ctan? the void dragon iirc.

Yes.

Off topic butThe Emperor vs Eva unit 1 ? how is that even remotely fair for Eva unit 1, its just a bio organic machine birthed from a highly advanced speicies they call "angels" in the eva universe, that and it has a womans soul giving it a crude sentience and a battery that can run indefinitely. Pretty cool i guess but the emperor could just hadouken its head off.

Your thinking of eva unit 1 like the other eva's, it isn't. the S2 engine doesn't just give it an unlimited battery life it literally gives it unlimited power, and creates a living god. that's what the whole "OMG Seele's using the eva series for human instrumentality" was all about. The ultimate blasphemy, mankind creates a god and merges with it.

God creates the angels,
God destroys the anges,
god creates man,
Man destroys god,
Man creates the angels.

Angels, destroy man.... woman inherits the earth.

Kilkrazy wrote:We've been through all this nine foot stuff before. If the Emporer was nine feet tall, he would have got a bad back from thousands of years of living in houses built for human sized humans.

More to the point, how would the Emporer be T10 without loads of Geneseeds, when SMs are only T4 with loads of Geneseeds?

If the Emporer could grow to T10 without Geneseeds, why did he need to make Geneseeds in order to make SMs T4?

Eh?

Did you look at the picture? Have we been over the "look at picture it's not that hard" stuff before?

I think he would survive through force of will, but he would be wounded he would end up on the Golden Throne. Which would leave Horus free to run around, which the Big E being able to smack him down.

he captured a god for feth sake! and you think a HK missle can kill him? HAH!

DarknessEternal wrote:

ChronoCupcake wrote:
wait are you trying to say that the primarchs are equals to the emperor ?, they where essentially fragments of him none of them where individually as strong as him, wouldnt it be a bit redundant to be the leader of mankind then clone 20 copies of yourself that are just as strong and all have there own sentience thats like him asking for the horus heresy to happen. All the primarchs pre heresy knew he was there superior in every way.

No, what I'm saying is they were superior to him physically, not equal. This is borne out in background material.

And the Primarchs knew no such thing. They knew he was smarter and their leader. That's about it. They knew he was inferior to them physically, what with having actually witnessed in battles.

Give me a quote that even remotely suggests this, you do realise that when he found some of the primarchs he beat them in competitions of strength i.e vulkan and even duelled some of them to victory. The primarchs were comparable to him in terms of strength became he was like nothing else in the human race but they still were't "as" strong, theres a quote that talks about how they all embodied different elements of his spirit / nature and the strengths and weaknesses associated with it.


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gendoikari87 wrote:

Off topic butThe Emperor vs Eva unit 1 ? how is that even remotely fair for Eva unit 1, its just a bio organic machine birthed from a highly advanced speicies they call "angels" in the eva universe, that and it has a womans soul giving it a crude sentience and a battery that can run indefinitely. Pretty cool i guess but the emperor could just hadouken its head off.

Your thinking of eva unit 1 like the other eva's, it isn't. the S2 engine doesn't just give it an unlimited battery life it literally gives it unlimited power, and creates a living god. that's what the whole "OMG Seele's using the eva series for human instrumentality" was all about. The ultimate blasphemy, mankind creates a god and merges with it.

God creates the angels,
God destroys the anges,
god creates man,
Man destroys god,
Man creates the angels.

Angels, destroy man.... woman inherits the earth.

http://wiki.evageeks.org/First_Ancestral_Race these were the only remotely god esq dudes in the evangelion universe, the only people that refer to eva unit 1 as a god are seele and there going to be incredibly biased considering there some kind of shady illumanati esq power cabal that runs the world in the evangelion universe. It was more of a hyperbole if anything else, if you read the article it talks about the white moon and the black moon, and how Adam was just "a tree of life" and his children (angels) are just a different species created by the first ancestral race that was supposed to propagate the earth until the black moon crashes and lilith "another tree of life" began birthing lilim (humans). check out the article it'll make sense but in no way is it a god the evanglion universe is way to vague and open to interpretation anyway. Regardless I doubt we should turn this into one of those 40k vs alternate universe threads .

you do realize that is in no way based on eva cannon right? as you said it's all open to interpretation. Seeing as how eva unit one and lilith remoulded all of humanity and the earth... i'll stick with the god thing.

Regardless I doubt we should turn this into one of those 40k vs alternate universe threads

no but we should make one....

ph34r wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:the Emperor was just a man as far as his body went.

You sure, heretic?

HAHA! give the heretics what they deserve

Don't make me call Cthulhu in here! I KNOW he can kick the emperor ass.

Who is Cthulhu?

Pop culture meme, basically a long running joke about it being so powerful can can rip the gods in half.

Why would you stick a bolter on the end of a long stick.

gendoikari87 wrote:

Off topic butThe Emperor vs Eva unit 1 ? how is that even remotely fair for Eva unit 1, its just a bio organic machine birthed from a highly advanced speicies they call "angels" in the eva universe, that and it has a womans soul giving it a crude sentience and a battery that can run indefinitely. Pretty cool i guess but the emperor could just hadouken its head off.

Your thinking of eva unit 1 like the other eva's, it isn't. the S2 engine doesn't just give it an unlimited battery life it literally gives it unlimited power, and creates a living god. that's what the whole "OMG Seele's using the eva series for human instrumentality" was all about. The ultimate blasphemy, mankind creates a god and merges with it.

God creates the angels,
God destroys the anges,
god creates man,
Man destroys god,
Man creates the angels.

Angels, destroy man.... woman inherits the earth.

I just puked a little in my mouth.


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gendoikari87 wrote:Don't make me call Cthulhu in here! I KNOW he can kick the emperor ass.

I did it again.

royal house wrote:Why would you stick a bolter on the end of a long stick.

For better range.


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ChronoCupcake wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:

ChronoCupcake wrote:
wait are you trying to say that the primarchs are equals to the emperor ?, they where essentially fragments of him none of them where individually as strong as him, wouldnt it be a bit redundant to be the leader of mankind then clone 20 copies of yourself that are just as strong and all have there own sentience thats like him asking for the horus heresy to happen. All the primarchs pre heresy knew he was there superior in every way.

No, what I'm saying is they were superior to him physically, not equal. This is borne out in background material.

And the Primarchs knew no such thing. They knew he was smarter and their leader. That's about it. They knew he was inferior to them physically, what with having actually witnessed in battles.

The Emporer would have used his magic powers to appear as if strong and feirse warrior, but really his body was human.

This thread is about what happens if the Emporer gets hit by a heavy anti-tank missile when he isn't protected by magic powers and armour.

Yes he captured the Void Dragon, but that was a psychic battle not physical. Basically i guess in this situation he dies.

Ok, so apparently it wasn't a simple assumption that the emperor (or emporer depending on where you're from) is stronger than a primarch. Given that's the assumption I've always made, frankly, I haven't heard enough in this thread to convince me otherwise despite some valiant efforts.

Since I believe that a primarch's body, without psychic powers or other such interference would indeed survive such an onslaught, possessing as they do regenerative abilites and so forth (I'm thinking wolverine levels here, albeit not as quick), I am going to agree with Killkrazy and conclude that the emperor would indeed take a wound, but despite ruinous injuries that would fell a normal man, which he patently is not, he would live to fight another day.

Reanimator wrote:Ok, so apparently it wasn't a simple assumption that the emperor (or emporer depending on where you're from) is stronger than a primarch. Given that's the assumption I've always made, frankly, I haven't heard enough in this thread to convince me otherwise despite some valiant efforts.

Since I believe that a primarch's body, without psychic powers or other such interference would indeed survive such an onslaught, possessing as they do regenerative abilites and so forth (I'm thinking wolverine levels here, albeit not as quick), I am going to agree with Killkrazy and conclude that the emperor would indeed take a wound, but despite ruinous injuries that would fell a normal man, which he patently is not, he would live to fight another day.

good theory but heads don't grow back. at least brains don't.

Well now I think we're debating the scope of his regenerative abilities. This I have no scale for, save for what I imagine him to be capable of. Clearly you and I disagree about what the limits of those are, and we may just have to accept that.

PS In a very science geek way I happen to think shaped charges are very cool, and did not intend my earlier dismissal of your mention thereof to be off hand.

not really i just think his godlike powers come from his psychic ability, without that he is just human.

PS In a very science geek way I happen to think shaped charges are very cool, and did not intend my earlier dismissal of your mention thereof to be off hand.

no offense taken, I study them so I can be a bit of a fanboy.

Kilkrazy wrote:The Emporer would have used his magic powers to appear as if strong and feirse warrior, but really his body was human.

This thread is about what happens if the Emporer gets hit by a heavy anti-tank missile when he isn't protected by magic powers and armour.

And just to be clear, you have indeed looked at the canonical picture of the emperor, and decided that the people standing next to him must all be midgets?

What do you mean?

Are you suggesting the Emporer would have have lived in the normal human world for 20,000 years being four feet taller than everyone else, and not bumped his head on the ceiling?

Is it possible that an oil painting might be idealised to exaggerate the Emporer's height?

Kilkrazy wrote:What do you mean?

Are you suggesting the Emporer would have have lived in the normal human world for 20,000 years being four feet taller than everyone else, and not bumped his head on the ceiling?

Is it possible that an oil painting might be idealised to exaggerate the Emporer's height?

Or that the Emperor is a huge dude that uses his powers to fudge everyone's vision so he does not seem out of place.

Considering how he is depicted consistently, and how your theory has 0 support, don't you think it would be a lot more logical for the simpler and more supported answer to be correct?

No.

How does fudging people's vision help the Emporer fit into buildings, furniture and vehicles made for people four feet shorter?

Why bother to conceal his height for 20,000 years?

It doesn't make any sense.

It is more likely that he used his powers to fudge people's vision to seem much taller when it was important to become Emporer.

How is "he's a magical giant that uses magical space magics to magically magic himself into looking shorter" simpler than "he's not ten feet tall, that painting is just an exaggeration"? The Emperor wasn't a genetically engineered abhuman freak like his mutant legions, he was an immensely powerful psyker who existed in human society for millenia without anyone going "oh wow there's a ten foot tall guy running around being a hero, what's up with that?"

Couldn't both be true? He could have been normal height when he wanted to blend in, and now he's the big cheese he's changed his appearance so that your average astartes isn't dwarfing him. Psychic powers to project his new height into the minds of his subjects and psychic powers to actually alter his form are not worlds apart.

There are various possibilities.

1. For no particular reason, the shamans who made the Emporer decided to make him nine feet tall.

Thus, he always was always nine feet tall. Knowing he would not fit into human society when towering over three feet above most people, he used his space magic to conceal his height from everyone until the 20th millennium.

During the previous 30,000 years, he simply put up with not being able to fit into normal clothes, houses, cars and so on, and he had unsatisfyingly small portions when eating out, until McDonald’s was invented.

Because he could not buy the things he needed, he made special, very large things for himself, such as clothes, baths, bicycles and cars. He used his space magic to conceal the size of these things. Sometimes he had things custom made and used space magic to make the workers forget what they had done.

When forced to use a human sized object that he couldn’t get at super size, such as a train, he just put up with the inconvenience.

Thanks to his unnatural physiology, he was able to withstand the constant back strain caused by mixing with ordinary humans inside normal sized buildings.

Once he became Space Emporer, there was no need to conceal his enormous size, so he stopped using space magic and everyone saw him as his natural size.

2. He was normal human size and used his space magic to look bigger when he became Emporer.

3. He was normal human size, but used his space magic to physically grow larger when he became Emporer.

4. He was normal human size, and never looked larger, and the pictures showing him larger than that are artistic licence.

or we could go with the theory that no matter what happens to humans we keep growing and regenerating, but due to the physic powers he has he didnt start to suffer the degeneration effects of human growth, so once he "stopped" growing in the normal terms, its reasonable to presume that he was about 5' 9" - 6' 3" but slowly over the many years he slowly kept going as the decay rate of his cells was phyiscally slower than the regenerative and repair rate of his new cells, so they slowly made him larger, denser, and over time the organs of a primarch finally started growing because finally a human reached the growth point the body goes "hey its time to produce new stem cells to create these organs", a good exaple of this is that a child isnt born with knee caps, they get them at about 2, so after a few thousend years, the dorment blue prints finally had the size and mass to start producing Teir 3 organs in him, im not saying he could survive the blast, im just givin a logical view on the growth and size of the emperour, you get natural giants at 7ft and taller, so why is it so hard to think that over 20000 years he wouldnt actually grow to be about 8-9 feet tall? he might of been human sized once, but after all that time some growth will occer

Truth is we will never know unless anyone lives in the 40k universe.

Malice wrote:Truth is we will never know unless anyone lives in the 40k universe.

That kind of argument really has no place in this forum. It's a given that it's a fictional universe, so simply stating that it is and that the answer is unknowable defies the entire premise of discussing it all, not to mention casting a scornful tone on all those attempting to do so.

Kilkrazy wrote:
3. He was normal human size, but used his space magic to physically grow larger when he became Emporer.

Makes most sense to me.

Two or four make the most sense to me, though I suppose three isn't out of the question, even if it is a bit odd.

My take: Can the emperor die to a krak missile. Yes, especially a face shot if it gets through.

Could the emperor deflect a krak missile, most probably it where his pstychic aura is likely centred, I dont think the Emperor actually needa a helmet outside of a hostile environment protection, and perhaps not even then.

Would blowing the Emperors head off with a krak missile finish him. No, his body would die and he would be reborn somewheere either instantly or nine months later, depending on when the Emperor moves to his next body.

This will be politically inconvenient for everyone but do no lasting harm to the Emperor.

Whenever you see movies of medieval knights & warriors they're played by big burly guys way over 6"

But in reality the average height in the past was much shorter, and most medieval suits of armor are just cute sized.

One of the main reasons we are taller than our ancestors is pre-natal care, especially proper diet and nutrition.

I think it stands to reason that the Emperor, born in the less advanced past (relative to the 40k timeline) would have grown up to be tall, for his time perhaps, but shorter than the primarchs who, as test tube babies, had the best possible pre-natal care and nutrients flooded into their system.

In short I have no problem with 9.5 to 10 ft. tall primarchs and a mere 7 ft. tall emperor.

Kilkrazy wrote:3. He was normal human size, but used his space magic to physically grow larger when he became Emporer.

This. When the Unification wars happened, the Emperor actually needed to go out into the world and kick ass. With his powers, there is no reason that he should remain a tiny year 0 height person.

gendoikari87 wrote:not really i just think his godlike powers come from his psychic ability, without that he is just human.

This is the way I always pictured it too

Kilkrazy wrote:There are various possibilities.

1. For no particular reason, the shamans who made the Emporer decided to make him nine feet tall.

Thus, he always was always nine feet tall. Knowing he would not fit into human society when towering over three feet above most people, he used his space magic to conceal his height from everyone until the 20th millennium.

During the previous 30,000 years, he simply put up with not being able to fit into normal clothes, houses, cars and so on, and he had unsatisfyingly small portions when eating out, until McDonald’s was invented.

Because he could not buy the things he needed, he made special, very large things for himself, such as clothes, baths, bicycles and cars. He used his space magic to conceal the size of these things. Sometimes he had things custom made and used space magic to make the workers forget what they had done.

When forced to use a human sized object that he couldn’t get at super size, such as a train, he just put up with the inconvenience.

Thanks to his unnatural physiology, he was able to withstand the constant back strain caused by mixing with ordinary humans inside normal sized buildings.

Once he became Space Emporer, there was no need to conceal his enormous size, so he stopped using space magic and everyone saw him as his natural size.

2. He was normal human size and used his space magic to look bigger when he became Emporer.

3. He was normal human size, but used his space magic to physically grow larger when he became Emporer.

4. He was normal human size, and never looked larger, and the pictures showing him larger than that are artistic licence.

Even if he was 4 feet taller then everyone else he wouldnt need to get into cars / transports because he can presumably teleport at will, Clothes are such a minor issue he could make them himself or stretch out normal clothes to his size (his will can remake reality) and he was pretty much a nomad until he openly revealed himself as the emperor so he was probably out living in the wilderness / caves and then when he did reveal himself im sure he could get humanity to make accommodation more fitting his size and stature.
Allthough im not sure I follow what you mean when you say "when he became Emperor" ? care to elaborate ?.

This may be one of the most entertaining/comical threads ive read on here haha

ChronoCupcake wrote:
Allthough im not sure I follow what you mean when you say "when he became Emperor" ? care to elaborate ?.

The circumstances of life for some nine-foot tall guy hiding in a cave in Tibet, and the Space Emporer, are somewhat different.

As I understand it, the Emporer didn't spend 30,000 years hiding in a cave, he spent it moving among the people, collecting wisdom and knowledge, understanding the world and influencing people to do the right thing.

I don't see how that would have been done from a cave in Tibet, and I don't see how he would have gone around London or Tokyo, mixing and influencing, without having to travel on a tube train, or in a taxi, and without ever visiting people's houses and shops.

I don't understand the obsession of the idea that the Emporer has to be nine feet tall. Would he be less powerful if he were six feet tall? If his height is important, but makes no difference in daily life, why not make him 12 feet tall, or 20 feet?

Kilkrazy wrote:I don't understand the obsession of the idea that the Emporer has to be nine feet tall. Would he be less powerful if he were six feet tall? If his height is important, but makes no difference in daily life, why not make him 12 feet tall, or 20 feet?

wouldnt that make him the same height as a warhound titan? o.o

plus in the book machanicum or how ever its spelt, hes not as tall as a knight and there about 9 foot arnt they?

Best thread ever. I'm calling it Space Magic from now on, too.
Also. why do badasses have to be ten feet tall? Have some people internalised mini scale creep that much?

Going by fluff and real life he would probably be very seriously injured. This would be if all shield etc failed and he was left with just his armour.

By rules I would imagine him to be T4, he is not a marine but is stronger than a boggo human. So again it should ID him but he should have EW.

Reality- Dead
Rules- -1 wound

Mr Nobody wrote:Zoanthropes can produce warp shields, so imagine the emperor would have something similar along the surface of his body.

True, but the emporers sheild would be all shiny and impressive

Well, we know that the EMperor is powerful to screw with the fabric of reality if he so wanted to, so it's not out of the question that he can change his physical size at will. And since he was just a god-like psyker, born to human parents, he was probably a height that was enough to be impressive, but not so much so as to draw too much attention throughout history. But yeah, if you got rid of all the Emperor's psychic power and all his armor he's just a normal human. What makes him so powerful IS his psychic capabilities, which are on par with (if not greater than) the Gods of Chaos.

Though, as far as Primarch toughness goes, didn't Leman Russ get socked in the head by the Emperor with a power fist, and then wake up with just a headache?

He would die, but it would never hit him. And ivnever heard of the emperor being reborn in a diffirent body.


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Just read the lexicanum tread on the emperor. So ignore the never heard of emperor rebirth.

Why do people keep talking about the emperor deflecting the missile? did they even read the thread!? lol.


the emperor is a superhuman on all levels but a missile to the face would kill him. to say it WOULDN'T is like saying when Horus stabed the emperor it was a force stronger then a rocket? (No need to mention his armor would stop a rocket I am talking abut sheer force/power) so I am guessing if Horus stabs at you 4 times its like getting hit by 4 rail guns? thats a bit much if you ask me lol.

In After D'Shea the Emperor took down an alien gribly by gripping a grenade in his fist and punching it in the face. Unless you can go toe to toe with the Emperor on psychic terms, as Horus could when he was backed up by all 4 Chaos gods, the Emperor will stomp on you and your entire civilization without breaking a sweat. It's not just a matter of psychic shields and the like. The Emperor's entire existence is sustained by his awesome psychic will. A missile strike on his physical body would be shrugged off because the force of will sustaining him is infinitely greater. If the Emperor was stripped of his psychic awesomeness his body would probably wither to dust in an instant anyway - he is getting on in years after all.


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GamzaTheChaos wrote:the emperor is a superhuman on all levels but a missile to the face would kill him. to say it WOULDN'T is like saying when Horus stabed the emperor it was a force stronger then a rocket? (No need to mention his armor would stop a rocket I am talking abut sheer force/power) so I am guessing if Horus stabs at you 4 times its like getting hit by 4 rail guns? thats a bit much if you ask me lol.

Horus did a bit more than stab him. Horus wielded the psychic might of the Chaos gods. He could obliterate your soul and turn your bones to dust by looking at you.

I'm pretty sure that's what happend to poor old Ollanius Pious.

Note--And yes, I point blank REFUSE to accept GW writing him out of continuity. As far as I'm concerned, Ollanius Pious is still the most bad fething ass Guardsmen to ever exist, or WILL ever exist. ALL HAIL SAINT OLLANIUS!

He would eat the missle and poop out a land raider most likely.

oh come o hes the EMPEROR of man kind!!! you cannot kill the emperor with a mere hunterkiller missile!!!

lion_el_johnson wrote:oh come o hes the EMPEROR of man kind!!! you cannot kill the emperor with a mere hunterkiller missile!!!

but Horus killed him with his lightning claw.... so a HK missile most likely would kill him

Horus killed him by a broken heart.

lol

Its a stretch rules to fluff but... assuming primarchs are only strength 4 a blow from a powerfist is the same strength as a hit from a hunter killer and there are several places that a primarch survives the encounter (Lion and the Wolf for example) and since the emperor is primarch^2 I'd garner he'd live.

Luco wrote:Its a stretch rules to fluff but... assuming primarchs are only strength 4 a blow from a powerfist is the same strength as a hit from a hunter killer and there are several places that a primarch survives the encounter (Lion and the Wolf for example) and since the emperor is primarch^2 I'd garner he'd live.

methinks primarchs are at mephiston's strength and toughness seeing as he maybe the reincarnation of sanguinius

This thread is missing the point, a hunter killer missile wouldnt do crap. Horus almost did it but im sure the Emperor has a plan for that. The real question is; what would Chuck Norris do to the Emperor if he was still in physical form?

No one can kill the emperor I'm sure that the HK wouldn't get to the emperor as he has millions of bodyguards and above all warp powers. For the EMPEROR!!!!!

Brennian wrote:No one can kill the emperor I'm sure that the HK wouldn't get to the emperor as he has millions of bodyguards and above all warp powers. For the EMPEROR!!!!!

millions? no, the custodes are only about 10000 strong and only three have EVER fallen

xXSir MontyXx wrote:This thread is missing the point, a hunter killer missile wouldnt do crap. Horus almost did it but im sure the Emperor has a plan for that. The real question is; what would Chuck Norris do to the Emperor if he was still in physical form?

Chuck Norris is currently killing chaos gods. We don't know their names because every time he kills one he wipes it from history so we never get to know about them. As far as the emperor is concerned he'd never hurt the emperor, they had tea time last week and are great pals.

I have it on good authority the Emperor would be able to commando roll to safety.

Though rumours percist that he may subsequently be vunrable for up to three seconds as he puts his shades back on, and fires off a witty one-liner.

Luco wrote:

xXSir MontyXx wrote:This thread is missing the point, a hunter killer missile wouldnt do crap. Horus almost did it but im sure the Emperor has a plan for that. The real question is; what would Chuck Norris do to the Emperor if he was still in physical form?

Chuck Norris is currently killing chaos gods. We don't know their names because every time he kills one he wipes it from history so we never get to know about them. As far as the emperor is concerned he'd never hurt the emperor, they had tea time last week and are great pals.

And we all know that Chuck Norris usual travel method around the universe is the Hunter-Killer Missile. These babies are Chuck-Norris loaded.

That's why Big E doesn't need to avoid/deflect/do a barrel roll.

He would just hop on it, and they would go get a tea.

Thread.......spiralling..........out of control..........

I agree.

Locking thread.