I just wanted to pause and take time to reflect upon how others view the general respect and civility on the DakkaDakka forums.

As we know, no one is perfect and there are times when our emotions or rhetoric get the better of us. And we have moderators to help mediate the worst things that may be said.

But I want to know how others feel about how you are treated on the forum/how others are treated on the forum.

If this is more a General Discussions thing, please move it there. As always, I place it in OT if it doesn't fit in other forums.

I like it here. With a few exceptions, everyone around here is pretty good. While we all have very different opinions, I have met only about three posters who take things far too seriously.

One of which BLAMED THE VICTIM!

The censor/swear filter is such a nice touch.

And remember, it is far easier to get angry at words than people. There are people posting those thoughts. They must believe they're right, unless they're trolling. Try to see it from their perspective.

There's really only a handful of posters that I think are actually as awful as they seem on the forums, and one of them is gone forever anyway. Most people are either busting balls or actually having a reasonably intelligent conversation.

Dakka's a pretty good bunch, all in all.

Its better than the rest of the internet, which is really all that one can ask for.

Hell, its more civil than a couple of classrooms that I've been in.

Well, with two (now banned) posters standing as notable exceptions.

When I did the DeffRolla Petition, I was perma banned from 11? other sites, mainly due to getting into it with other members about how stupid I was for wanting to do that. One site even banned me because they said I started the fights, by posting the petition total WTF moment there.

Anywho, Ive seen the hospitality(or lack there of) at alot of other sites. A few were decent and a couple even tried to help out a bit, but DAKKA is FAR more civil and open to at least hearing you out. As well, Ive only really disliked maybe 2 or 3 people on here. And what is there like 20k members or more on DAKKA? Id say thats pretty decent

And only a couple times have a mod PMd me to calm a situation or what have you down, and they were more then willing to be pleasant about it. So much so, I cant quite figure out how others have gotten the perma ban.


*edit I really cant spell*

I usually stay out of the very touchy threads, but most of my posts somehow are the pebble that derails the train of thought of the current topic.

Case in point: the opposite gender thread.

I've also gotten the Mod PM, and I have messaged an apology to the person I was rude to, explained my situation, and he understood. We now get along quite well.

Overall, Dakka is a haven from most of the Trolls that inhabit the interwebs.

IF it is a religious fight, vs threads, political battle, I stay out. As I am a teenager and I do not know that type of stuff. And I cannot make a legitimate claim that could be supported by evidence.

Well the DAKKADEADLIEST threads were Vs. threads, Im sure you could chime in with no problems there

Dakka is nothigbut abunch of fasfasist swin bullies and blametgevictimblsmethevictimohmyhod

Sorry for the tertible spe,lngg typing on a touchscrern

I see what you did there

By and large I believe we have a pretty good bunch of individuals on Dakka,things get a bit heated from time to time,nature of the interwebs,but for the most part even when they do those involved make the attempt to remain at least partialy civil....most of the time.

The art of trolling at its roots


Erm, that was for the above FITZZ post.

rubiksnoob wrote:Dakka is nothigbut abunch of fasfasist swin bullies and blametgevictimblsmethevictimohmyhod

FITZZ wrote: By and large I believe we have a pretty good bunch of individuals on Dakka,things get a bit heated from time to time,nature of the interwebs,but for the most part even when they do those involved make the attempt to remain at least partialy civil....most of the time.

Yes most of the time.

Monster Rain wrote:

rubiksnoob wrote:Dakka is nothigbut abunch of fasfasist swin bullies and blametgevictimblsmethevictimohmyhod

rubiksnoob wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:

rubiksnoob wrote:Dakka is nothigbut abunch of fasfasist swin bullies and blametgevictimblsmethevictimohmyhod

You know what makes me sad?

YOU DO!

What was this deffrolla petition?

Monster Rain wrote:

rubiksnoob wrote:Dakka is nothigbut abunch of fasfasist swin bullies and blametgevictimblsmethevictimohmyhod

I am pleased to have contributed to this meme.

Yes, you and your jackbooted co-conspirators managed to run off someone who might have uncovered the truth about your far-right fascist machinations.

During the State of the Union address tomorrow pretend you are sitting
beside your most hated poster.

And cuddle.

micahaphone wrote:What was this deffrolla petition?

It was a petition to get them to make a clear ruling on it.


As to how good I find Dakka community to be, my ignore list is empty.

Ah. Hooray for an empty ignore list, as people only occasionally troll, it happens to the best of us. I bet I probably have before. I only know of one poster who utilizes the ignore list.

Even the most antagonistic of posters (and one or two of them have posted in this thread) keep it civil compared to most of the internet.

I actually think the worst poster on Dakka is a mod, but even he is nowhere near as bad as people I have seen on numerous other forums I have frequented in the past and managed to simply ignore. I think part of that is the fact that Dakka is purely a community, rather than a community that revolves around a game, where favouritism can be shown in a competetive or semi-competetive venue and tempers subsequently flare. Sure, there is "favouritism" here, but that is human nature, and it seems to be the kind of favouritism designed to try and improve the site, not to elevate an elite few. Even if people don't always agree with the decisions, the motivations behind them seem honest and decent.

Having said that, [DCM] > The rest of the subhuman scum who inhabit this place, subsisting like bottom-feeders or worm-like parasites on the virtuous and noble few.

Should we up it to 2-3 antagonistic posters then?

Glad to hear being a DCM is akin to eating grapes in ancient Rome.

I do hope that I'm not one of these antagonistic posters... quick, I must check my post history! Am I a troll? Find out next time, when Micahaphone awakens!

Shut up and start peeling Micahaphone. I can't stand skin on my grapes. And don't stop fanning me with those palm fronds whilst you do it - I don't want to get too warm.

Monster Rain wrote:

Should we up it to 2-3 antagonistic posters then?

You called?

Fifty wrote:Shut up and start peeling Micahaphone. I can't stand skin on my grapes. And don't stop fanning me with those palm fronds whilst you do it - I don't want to get too warm.

Yes m'lord. Shall we be saddling the royal steeds to go out and tax the peasants, somemore, suh? Will there be any lopping of heads today? If so, I will need a fifth limb, as the grapes, fanning, saddling, riding, and cooking is taking up all my limbs. I know that hiring another person would bite into your lions and giraffes fund, but I can't do it all, sir.

Crikey man, you have teeth, don't you? Do I have to think of everything?

Sorry, sir! Peeling with a cleaver shall be diverted to the mouth, Sir!



So if I pay for DCM, do I automatically get my own slav-er, butler?

Yep.

But the mods get a personal harem, so we still aren't top of the ladder.

I can haz Harem?

I thought all the ad and DCM money went into their "Booze, Hookers, and Retirement" fund, but due to budgeting restraints, they had to get rid of the retirement part?

It's mostly civil. Some (very few) posters do put on quite a show, though. And sometimes, the prevalence of British and American posters leads to some eye-brow raising situations.

I think it's pretty nice here. Most posters are fun, nice and comprehensive, even helpful and tolerant.

I love B&C.

Pretty civil bunch.

Destrado wrote:It's mostly civil. Some (very few) posters do put on quite a show, though. And sometimes, the prevalence of British and American posters leads to some eye-brow raising situations.

I think it's pretty nice here. Most posters are fun, nice and comprehensive, even helpful and tolerant.

I love B&C.

What's worse, the Brits losing to French and ragtag Colonists or Americans needing France's help to win their independence?

I kid, I kid.

These forums are pretty civil, better than most official gaming forums I've been on.

Ahtman wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:

Should we up it to 2-3 antagonistic posters then?

You called?

Yes, better make it 4 or 5.

Amaya wrote:What's worse, the Brits losing to French and ragtag Colonists or Americans needing France's help to win their independence?

I kid, I kid.

The bile and vitriol you're bound to see if someone mentions that Obama called France "America's strongest ally".

Oh SNAP!

Sorry for the off-topic.

Destrado wrote:

Amaya wrote:What's worse, the Brits losing to French and ragtag Colonists or Americans needing France's help to win their independence?

I kid, I kid.

The bile and vitriol you're bound to see if someone mentions that Obama called France "America's strongest ally".

Oh SNAP!

Sorry for the off-topic.

If it weren't for France we'd all be sipping tea instead of cheap bear.

Having been to France and England I'd prefer the English Tea to the cheap beer.

I only understood "dog piss" when I drank Stella Artois. How I missed my Superbock.

-shrugs- I've been on better and I've been on worse. Mostly, I'm done with dealing with drama and this is the first forum I've been ignore happy and actually used the thing.

Amaya wrote:

Destrado wrote:

Amaya wrote:What's worse, the Brits losing to French and ragtag Colonists or Americans needing France's help to win their independence?

I kid, I kid.

The bile and vitriol you're bound to see if someone mentions that Obama called France "America's strongest ally".

Oh SNAP!

Sorry for the off-topic.

If it weren't for France we'd all be sipping tea instead of cheap bear.

France is usually associated with Wine, not cheap beer. The US is associated with cheap beer. It would be nice to blame someone else for this but it is our own fault.

I see more civil behaviour on 4chan.

Moderation quality has dropped, the OT forum causes no end of grief, and there's a serious bias towards certain kinds of users.

Amaya wrote:

Destrado wrote:It's mostly civil. Some (very few) posters do put on quite a show, though. And sometimes, the prevalence of British and American posters leads to some eye-brow raising situations.

I think it's pretty nice here. Most posters are fun, nice and comprehensive, even helpful and tolerant.

I love B&C.

What's worse, the Brits losing to French and ragtag Colonists or Americans needing France's help to win their independence?

We didn't lose, we initiated a tactical withdrawal ¬.¬

Cheese Elemental wrote:I see more civil behaviour on 4chan.

Moderation quality has dropped, the OT forum causes no end of grief, and there's a serious bias towards certain kinds of users.

Whuh?

When was the last time a thread was locked? It's been pretty mellow on here recently.

That "I expected this from Alabama" thread about 5ish days ago. But political or religious threads always end badly pretty much all the time no matter where on the interwebs it hides.

I have very few qualms with Dakka, it's a really great website and the OT forum is a wonderful place to discuss, argue and just joke around. It's really a community as much anything can be on the internet.

n0t_u wrote:That "I expected this from Alabama" thread about 5ish days ago. But political or religious threads always end badly pretty much all the time no matter where on the interwebs it hides.

I think the Nazi Religion thread has been doing quite well so far. Even the posters that would ussually be antagonistic have behaved themselves there.

Cheese Elemental wrote:I see more civil behaviour on 4chan.

Moderation quality has dropped, the OT forum causes no end of grief, and there's a serious bias towards certain kinds of users.

Considering the level of civility you typically exhibit I find this statement highly amusing. Thank you for the laugh.

Avatar 720 wrote:We didn't lose, we initiated a tactical withdrawal ¬.¬

You're killing our self serving narrative!

OT was historically not moderated as heavily as the other sections of the board. That is changing, especially as the number of reports increase. there is no reason that Rule #1: Be polite, should not be active here.

I am and always have been a man who believes that you should be able to say absolutely anything you like as long as people can retort. I think that grown men should be able to sit and call each other names as much as they like in the OT forum, save the rest of the board for talk of minis, the gloves should be allowed to come off in here, and they never do. The mods lock threads just when i am starting to find them amusing!

If you recall the furore people made over the Muslim march through WB, i was all for it. I think we should never ever censor people under pretty much any circumstance, as long as I and others are free to respond.

I enjoy dakka, but all it takes is some fether to say I am "bashing" their Religion, and its an instalock. Its an absolute joke frankly. This is occuring in every single facet of our lives, it must be If i notice it on dakkadakka as well as every day in the news, and it is why Islam is able to get away with so much, and why Creationists are able to lay the smack down on sensible Americans so much.

And yes, by "bashing" I mean disagreeing with the ridiculous unverifyable claims they are making, or possibly disagreeing with being needlessly cruel to gay people, mutilating womens genitals or telling kids lies.

It aint fair, but life aint fair. Im not whinging about it, or i would be over at warseer, im just answering the question.

Cheese Elemental wrote:I see more civil behaviour on 4chan.

Moderation quality has dropped, the OT forum causes no end of grief, and there's a serious bias towards certain kinds of users.

In the words of the Immortal Bard: If you don't like it don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.

And yes, by "bashing" I mean disagreeing with the ridiculous unverifyable claims they are making,

This is where I begin to start getting sick of some people. There are those who will politely 'disagree' and indeed even state that they themselves have little that is verifiable (I already make it known that I have little evidence) and it'll all go nicely as we eventually agree to disagree.

Then there are people who will not only bash my unverifiable claims, but will go on to fervorously state over and over that I am wrong, that they have evidence that is irrefutable and 100% verifiable as true and will berate me for defending my beliefs. Its these people who I have problems with. Homosexuality? Fine by them (fine by me too, but using it as an exmaple). Sexism? Needs to be cut down. Racism? Needs to be cut down. Someone else following a religion? OMFGHANDMEMYMACHETTE!.

Stating over and over that you can disprove X claim and then never actually doing anything bar mocking me and people like me is not arguing. Some people need to learn that (not just atheists/theists, but other people in other situations too).

mattyrm wrote:I am and always have been a man mutilating womens genitals.

It aint fair, but Im not whinging about it.

I guess some people just misinterpret what you're trying to say sometimes.

Frazzled wrote:
In the words of the Immortal Bard: If you don't like it don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.

Hamlet?

What's amusing is the certain element that use the anonymity and safety of the Internet to be purposely rude.
I've often wondered if their tongues would click as fast in a bar as their fingers seem to do in the safety of their homes.

Actually, one thing I do agree with is what mattyrm just said about religion. It is a personal beef of mine that religion has a "get out of jail free" card in real life that allows it to be cruel towards people with impunity if they throw the word "belief" in there.

I would say that Dakka is quite repressive about allowing people to expressing negative attitudes, even politely negative ones, towards religions or religious figures that would be permitted towards political parties and figures. Honestly, threads have been closed for things said about the Pope that some mods themselves would say about Obama.

One argument is that this is a forum about painting little lead toys. Another argument is that this is an off-topic forum.

Frazzled wrote:
In the words of the Immortal Bard: If you don't like it don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.

Hamlet?

mattyrm wrote:I I think that grown men should be able to sit and call each other names as much as they like in the OT forum,

Not everyone who posts on Dakka is an adult.

Most posters don't want to be called names when attempting to debate a point. In fact I would suggest that if one is reduced to simply insulting another poster instead of debating the issue at hand, then one doesn't really have a thoughtful argument or point, merely an opinion.

Ten bucks says this turns into a religion thread.





I love it here.

FITZZ wrote: What's amusing is the certain element that use the anonymity and safety of the Internet to be purposely rude.
I've often wondered if their tongues would click as fast in a bar as their fingers seem to do in the safety of their homes.

You can count on me for that anyways. Hell Ive been told by many, I seem ahole-ish in person. I think its because I know Im joking around, but others havnt caught on yet. So biased opinions? Insulting overtones? Yes, right here

KingCracker wrote:

FITZZ wrote: What's amusing is the certain element that use the anonymity and safety of the Internet to be purposely rude.
I've often wondered if their tongues would click as fast in a bar as their fingers seem to do in the safety of their homes.

You can count on me for that anyways. Hell Ive been told by many, I seem ahole-ish in person. I think its because I know Im joking around, but others havnt caught on yet. So biased opinions? Insulting overtones? Yes, right here

In truth, I make a more conscious effort to be (at least reasonably) polite on Internet forums.

Same here, Ive retyped more then a few posts on DAKKA. I enjoy this site, I dont want to get bumped off

How about my conspicuous absence from the Nazi vs. Japan debate? I am quite impressed with myself for not getting involved in that one, what with being probably in the top three Dakka Japan-lovers, along with Kilkrazy and Kid_Kyoto...

(Not that I'd deny Japan did horrible, horrible things in the war, but there is some needless Japan-bashing in that thread.)

Fifty wrote:How about my conspicuous absence from the Nazi vs. Japan debate? I am quite impressed with myself for not getting involved in that one, what with being probably in the top three Dakka Japan-lovers, along with Kilkrazy and Kid_Kyoto...

(Not that I'd deny Japan did horrible, horrible things in the war, but there is some needless Japan-bashing in that thread.)

Oh, i'd bash the Japanese if you know what I mean

Avatar 720 wrote:

Fifty wrote:How about my conspicuous absence from the Nazi vs. Japan debate? I am quite impressed with myself for not getting involved in that one, what with being probably in the top three Dakka Japan-lovers, along with Kilkrazy and Kid_Kyoto...

(Not that I'd deny Japan did horrible, horrible things in the war, but there is some needless Japan-bashing in that thread.)

Oh, i'd bash the Japanese if you know what I mean

But. . . ALL of them??

Avatar 720 wrote:
Oh, i'd bash the Japanese if you know what I mean

No, clarify.

KingCracker wrote:Same here, Ive retyped more then a few posts on DAKKA. I enjoy this site, I dont want to get bumped off

Exactly.

Also,I see prolonged engagement in disagreements over the interwebs as a waste of time,take Religion for example...though someone may write something that may change my opinion (or at least offer a different perspective) concerning a certain viewpoint,no one is going to ever write anything that is going to cause me to "Believe in god"....and likewise..nothing I type is going to make a devout Christian slap their forehead and say " Well gee...I never thought of that...I'm giving up on this god thing right now."
The whole process simply devolves into a " I can repeat my crap more than you can repeat yours" situation most of the time.

FITZZ wrote:

KingCracker wrote:Same here, Ive retyped more then a few posts on DAKKA. I enjoy this site, I dont want to get bumped off

Exactly.

Also,I see prolonged engagement in disagreements over the interwebs as a waste of time,take Religion for example...though someone may write something that may change my opinion (or at least offer a different perspective) concerning a certain viewpoint,no one is going to ever write anything that is going to cause me to "Believe in god"....and likewise..nothing I type is going to make a devout Christian slap their forehead and say " Well gee...I never thought of that...I'm giving up on this god thing right now."
The whole process simply devolves into a " I can repeat my crap more than you can repeat yours" situation most of the time.

Ahh so you DO at least visit the you make da call section

FITZZ wrote:

Exactly.

Also,I see prolonged engagement in disagreements over the interwebs as a waste of time,take Religion for example...though someone may write something that may change my opinion (or at least offer a different perspective) concerning a certain viewpoint,no one is going to ever write anything that is going to cause me to "Believe in god"....and likewise..nothing I type is going to make a devout Christian slap their forehead and say " Well gee...I never thought of that...I'm giving up on this god thing right now."
The whole process simply devolves into a " I can repeat my crap more than you can repeat yours" situation most of the time.

Surely a war of attrition is the only good way to get your point across? If you drown the opposition in noise (text?), you truly have won.

I love the smell of the OT forum in the morning, smells like internet victory.

Medium of Death wrote:

Avatar 720 wrote:
Oh, i'd bash the Japanese if you know what I mean

No, clarify.

I want to remain a dakkarite for the time being Maybe when you're older.

But. . . ALL of them??

What can i say? I'm a giver

Fifty wrote:How about my conspicuous absence from the Nazi vs. Japan debate? I am quite impressed with myself for not getting involved in that one, what with being probably in the top three Dakka Japan-lovers, along with Kilkrazy and Kid_Kyoto...

I would think Kornholio would be ahead of you. Also, when did we start making a taxonomy of loving other countries? What criteria are we using?

Ahtman wrote:

Cheese Elemental wrote:I see more civil behaviour on 4chan.

Moderation quality has dropped, the OT forum causes no end of grief, and there's a serious bias towards certain kinds of users.

Considering the level of civility you typically exhibit I find this statement highly amusing. Thank you for the laugh.

__________________________

I like the political discussion for the most part. It's interesting to see what other people think about things, even if you don't agree with them.

Ahtman wrote:

Fifty wrote:How about my conspicuous absence from the Nazi vs. Japan debate? I am quite impressed with myself for not getting involved in that one, what with being probably in the top three Dakka Japan-lovers, along with Kilkrazy and Kid_Kyoto...

I would think Kornholio would be ahead of you. Also, when did we start making a taxonomy of loving other countries? What criteria are we using?

I had, I admit, forgotten about him, but I was not meaning to give the impression of trying to win a competition, just identifying some other people who love the country.

Yeah to claim that OT is like 4chan is ridiculous crack.. its not actually that uncivil in here considering. Im pretty much on a polar opposite with Orlanth and GG, but i enjoy speaking with them and have never once thought "I dont want to read their posts"

I dont think I will ever ignore anyone, for that matter. If you dont like the OT, dont come to the OT, i just think people whinge too much.

Its like channel 4, dont partake if your not interested, but dont try and spoil it for everyone else!

Fifty wrote:

Ahtman wrote:

Fifty wrote:How about my conspicuous absence from the Nazi vs. Japan debate? I am quite impressed with myself for not getting involved in that one, what with being probably in the top three Dakka Japan-lovers, along with Kilkrazy and Kid_Kyoto...

I would think Kornholio would be ahead of you. Also, when did we start making a taxonomy of loving other countries? What criteria are we using?

I had, I admit, forgotten about him, but I was not meaning to give the impression of trying to win a competition, just identifying some other people who love the country.

Do you? When was the last time you sent Japan some flowers? When was the last time you just called to call? That is what I thought. You lust Japan, but you don't love her.

Ahtman wrote:

Fifty wrote:

Ahtman wrote:

Fifty wrote:How about my conspicuous absence from the Nazi vs. Japan debate? I am quite impressed with myself for not getting involved in that one, what with being probably in the top three Dakka Japan-lovers, along with Kilkrazy and Kid_Kyoto...

I would think Kornholio would be ahead of you. Also, when did we start making a taxonomy of loving other countries? What criteria are we using?

I had, I admit, forgotten about him, but I was not meaning to give the impression of trying to win a competition, just identifying some other people who love the country.

Do you? When was the last time you sent Japan some flowers? When was the last time you just called to call? That is what I thought. You lust Japan, but you don't love her.

Do I detect a hint of jealousy there?

I sent my Japanese girlfriend some flowers in Feb 2003, but then we split up a couple of months later. Does that count?

I think it's pretty civil in here, most of the time. A few years ago when I was more stressed and less patient I said some hasty things and to be honest the mods were pretty cool about it.
Nowadays I am more amused than anything else by things. I have one person on Ignore, but I'm thinking I'll undo that soon. He said something that caused me massive offense and I figured it was better to ignore than get really angry about it. I think there are only a few rude posters here, but I like them because they make it a bit more interesting. I would agree that religion seems to get a fairly strict treatment, but it doesn't bother me much. I stay out of creationism threads now anyway.

mattyrm wrote:Yeah to claim that OT is like 4chan is ridiculous crack.. its not actually that uncivil in here considering. Im pretty much on a polar opposite with Orlanth and GG, but i enjoy speaking with them and have never once thought "I dont want to read their posts"

I dont think I will ever ignore anyone, for that matter. If you dont like the OT, dont come to the OT, i just think people whinge too much.

Its like channel 4, dont partake if your not interested, but dont try and spoil it for everyone else!

Sometimes people need a break from nerdraging about the Stormraven, so they come here to nerdrage about something not game related; you know: a change of pace

Well we just finished another religuious discussion. Yes it was locked however that is unusual, most are still open, also more tellingly it was locked because it was becoming circular not because of trolling.

Both Christians and those who dislike Christianity have axes to grind on this particular subject (Hitler and Christianity) and offense could have easily been taken yet the thread produced remarkably few trolls.

Such discussions usually start with a few muppets posting 'in b4 lock', but they need not hurry, they last for days and generate a grudging respect for opposed points of views, in spite of continued resistance to them from the majority of participants.

Temperates simmer that is true, but never boiled. Besides were are all creatures of bias and its easy to fail to see a reasoned alternative viewpoint as reason if it is outside ones paradigm. However despite diametrically opposed points of view surfacing and each side not being able or willing to answer the others questions to satisfaction; both sides included intelligent debate and quality attempts to put ones side across.

There are not many places on Teh Internets where you can have that. And you know what would happen if they tried.




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mattyrm wrote:Im pretty much on a polar opposite with Orlanth and GG, but i enjoy speaking with them and have never once thought "I dont want to read their posts"

I get on very well with Matty by all accounts, agree very closely on many topics outside religion, and I read an increasing respect in his questioning even when he tells me he thinks by theology doesn't add up; we can laugh about those differences too.

Hang around long enough and you will find the same people who you clash heads with agree elsewhere. Yes there are trolls who don't like what I or others say on one subject, and therefore take their hatreds onto others, but that is their problem not ours and it is easier than it might first appear to ignore those people. We can't expect perfection, but the real hostility issues are very few and far between.

a case in point of how Dakka really works, even over the last day some of the very same people I was exchanging pages of no holds barred - no ground given debate with were happily accommodating a recommendation to make a slight change of view on a seperate issue, even though the second issue itself is as highly contentious as the first. Were Dakka as petty and immature as forums are often elsewhere this would not be so.

Furthermore people normally forget disagreements quickly enough (outside the topics concerned) and with one or two exceptions don't bring hang ups to unrelated sections of the board, which is refreshing. In fact it is easy even for someone like me who is repeatedly outspoken in defence of a minority viewpoint on a contentious subject can get on in the larger community. I have not seen my opinions get in the way of a request for help with a list or raise ire if I make a post in Tactics.

Even boards member with whom I vocally disagree with on pretty much anything are still happy to talk gaming with me. I have exchanged 'Add to Friends' with people because we began to share modelling tips, collection advice and tactics on one of the games here, even though we under no illusions that we are opposed on pretty much all life issues we happen to discuss.

Dakka works.

As someone who has watched the OT for a few years and somehow not managed to register till now... the removal of some certain posters made the OT much nicer to read.

Who got removed?

Did I miss something?

Orlanth wrote:Both Christians and those who dislike Christianity

What he means is some Christians and other Christians and non-Christians debating a topic. It is rarely actually dislike of Christians that drive a thread. What happens is someone says "I don't know, I think some bad stuff happened during the Crusades" and the next thing you know it is "OMG why do you bring your Anti-Christian agenda here? We're so persecuted!"

I find myself getting a little bullish about some topics where it'd be best to walk away from the computer. But I find I end up listing most people I've argued with as friends after a few volleys and eagerly following their posts thereafter.

@Ahtman: There is a tendency for people (like me as often as not) to offhandedly post a very strong viewpoint at first, which can be translated as "disliking Christians" or "disliking atheists," but I pretty much agree with you. After the parties have calmed down a bit, it is almost never a case of somebody persecuting someone else for their beliefs.

I think i rpobably could have gotten kicked off ehre at least twice if i decided to post some homebrew characters for my 40k army, and i refuse to do battle reports since they would give C.S. goto a hard-on (yeah the battles my buddies and i do are that bad) And i love the cammunity here to much to post anythign that could and would get me baned, my 2 cents and now back to recipe converstions, woo.....

Well, Tazz just earned a spot on my ignore list, and I pretty much hate all of you.



J/K, though.

To be serious, I don't participate in many of the more controversial threads anymore, because I don't particularly like arguing on the internet. It seems like an exercise in futility, at best. I do come here for news, and reactions to said news, however. I think the radical viewpoints some of the more vocal posters here hold make it possible to form an overall unbiased picture by weighing the merits of each side's argument.

Well, I'm still here. Never been banned.

At this point I'm thinking that the Mods are either saints, or drunk all the time. Probably the latter.

Albatross wrote:Well, I'm still here. Never been banned.

At this point I'm thinking that the Mods are either saints, or drunk all the time. Probably the latter.

Where's the rum?

And why is it always gone?

I blame the scruffy gypo that nicked mattyrm's army

Ahtman wrote:

Orlanth wrote:Both Christians and those who dislike Christianity

What he means is some Christians and other Christians and non-Christians debating a topic. It is rarely actually dislike of Christians that drive a thread. What happens is someone says "I don't know, I think some bad stuff happened during the Crusades" and the next thing you know it is "OMG why do you bring your Anti-Christian agenda here? We're so persecuted!"

Manchu wrote:

@Ahtman: There is a tendency for people (like me as often as not) to offhandedly post a very strong viewpoint at first, which can be translated as "disliking Christians" or "disliking atheists," but I pretty much agree with you. After the parties have calmed down a bit, it is almost never a case of somebody persecuting someone else for their beliefs.

However because I am religious, people openly accuse me of being unable to be impartial on such threads, often cloaked in terms that are unambiguously hostile. I openly admit that I have a vested interest in many topics on religion threads, not everyone is as honest, I have met crossed texts with plenty of fanatical disbelievers here on Dakka. Even when they do not show it in a direct discourse in respect to good debate it if often comes out in other threads. Frankly I get on better with people like matty, who doesn't like 'God botherers' and says as much face up, than with some who in all likelyhood don't know how biased they are. When poeple think they are impartial and are not they mistake a personal opinion for an established one with greater authoirty than it actually holds. Now this ironically is usually a bigger problem with regards to the religious than others, but most rational relgious debaters know this and can thus guard against it, however in relgious and political debate everyone contributing is suddenly religious or political, and one need not have robes or a party badge to be overly fervid.

By and large even this isx no big problem, as all but the tiniest minority don't bring their baggage to a new thread and can argue afresh, even with similar people on a similar topic.

Albatross wrote:Well, I'm still here. Never been banned.

At this point I'm thinking that the Mods are either saints, or drunk all the time. Probably the latter.

Why is this an either/or proposition?

Mannahnin wrote:

Albatross wrote:Well, I'm still here. Never been banned.

At this point I'm thinking that the Mods are either saints, or drunk all the time. Probably the latter.

Why is this an either/or proposition?

I think so. Do you really want me to go into the definition of a saint?

Keep drinking heretic!

Of what does the Earth Mother give that we may know of the continual flow and renewal of life?

The Waters of Life.

And whence do these Waters flow?

From the bosom of the Earth Mother, the ever-changing All Mother.

And how do we honor this gift, which gives us life?

By partaking of the Waters of Life.

And has the Earth Mother given forth her bounty?

She has!

Then give me the waters.

Mannahnin wrote:The Waters of Life.

Muad Dib!
He who controls the Spice controls the universe! Oh wait you meant something else...never mind...

We bless and pass two cups- one with spring water, one with a fine whiskey or good single-malt scotch.

Whiskey means "Water of Life" IIRC.

Yep. Derived from the gaelic "uisce beatha."

Mannahnin wrote:We bless and pass two cups- one with spring water, one with a fine whiskey or good single-malt scotch.

Now there you go.

Monster Rain wrote:Whiskey means "Water of Life" IIRC.

Yep. Derived from the gaelic "uisce beatha."

Yes, you get two points on the quiz.


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Mannahnin wrote:And has the Earth Mother given forth her bounty?

She has!

Actually, though, until Spring the answer is "She has not, but through the wisdom of the Ancestors we have stored up against need."

If I had been present at Cana when Christ was passing around the good stuff, I can say with certainty I would not have demurred.

If I had to mod YMDC or news and rumours, I'd be drunk too.

Mannahnin wrote:We bless and pass two cups- one with spring water, one with a fine whiskey or good single-malt scotch.

That's a vast improvement on the "two MODs one cup" "art project" that was talked about anyway.

Da Boss wrote:If I had to mod YMDC or news and rumours, I'd be drunk too.

Uh-huh. I reckon I could chainsaw babies with only say, 2 beers in me - I can't even read YMDC without being totally gak-faced!


Seriously, so drunk that I have ACTUAL gak on my face.

If the cup contains whisky, I would imagine it quickly becomes "One Mod, One Cup, and a Hastily Excavated Grave".

Ya know Alby, for them to be saints there has to be a god. I think someone had a religious conversion

I like Dakka. It's one of very few sites I visit regularly and one of only 2 forums I post on.
I just counted. I've got 7 people on my ignore list. Six of them are because they posted with such horrifying lack of grammar, spelling and punctuation that I literally found myself unable to comprehend what they were saying without having a second or 3rd read.
The last is just one of the rudest people I've met online, and I found it better to ignore him than even read his drivel.

I think the Mods here do an admirable job, and the place is, overall, quite civil. That wasn't always the case. There was a time, before Yak owned the place, that Dakka was well known for devolving into arguing and name-calling. It's quite a nice place to hang out these days!

My only gripes are "A" the way "slow" and "slowed" are thrown around (which is more of a societal problem than anything else) and "B" the fact that a certain member seems to feel the need to go into graphic detail about his sex life in these (family) forums. Of course, "b" will resolve itself well enough, once the "report" button has been hit enough.

Well done, Mods.


Eric

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Ya know Alby, for them to be saints there has to be a god. I think someone had a religious conversion

Meh you are the sexmod, if we swap out the m for a g then alby has all the evidence he needs.

EDIT: Totally off topic again but I hope Dresden's final album will be called "Alby, One tough act to follow"

On topic though, Dakka is easily my favorite Lady Gaga, religious debate and relationship advice website. For some reason people keep talking about "warhammers" or something, but aside from that it's pretty cool.

corpsesarefun wrote:

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Ya know Alby, for them to be saints there has to be a god. I think someone had a religious conversion

Meh you are the sexmod, if we swap out the m for a g then alby has all the evidence he needs.

I approve of this comment

I have to say I cringe whenever relationship related stuff comes up on here, and cringe hard. But that's because I'm a grumpy bastard who has to wear a tie to work these days. I remember when I was in Uni and this stuff was our daily fodder.

The age spread here is pretty wide, which is sometimes interesting. We have some pretty literate early teens knocking about.

MagickalMemories wrote:the way "slow" and "slowed" are thrown around (which is more of a societal problem than anything else)

We are working on this as we don't like it, either. Please use the report button when you see it. Same goes for substituting "gay" for "lame."

As a man who walks with a limp, I find your conflation of lame with negative emotions to be hurtful and am now going to sob into my ale

I'm making a point of not asking about the limp, given the other complaints I've read in this thread.

I'm sorry I'm too busy crying salty tears of grief into my delicious ale to reply to you, Manchu.

Manchu wrote:I'm making a point of not asking about the limp, given the other complaints I've read in this thread.

Bob had a limp, now he has a very sucessful marketing campaign....

MagickalMemories wrote:I like Dakka. It's one of very few sites I visit regularly and one of only 2 forums I post on.
I just counted. I've got 7 people on my ignore list. Six of them are because they posted with such horrifying lack of grammar, spelling and punctuation that I literally found myself unable to comprehend what they were saying without having a second or 3rd read.
The last is just one of the rudest people I've met online, and I found it better to ignore him than even read his drivel.

I think the Mods here do an admirable job, and the place is, overall, quite civil. That wasn't always the case. There was a time, before Yak owned the place, that Dakka was well known for devolving into arguing and name-calling. It's quite a nice place to hang out these days!

My only gripes are "A" the way "slow" and "slowed" are thrown around (which is more of a societal problem than anything else) and "B" the fact that a certain member seems to feel the need to go into graphic detail about his sex life in these (family) forums. Of course, "b" will resolve itself well enough, once the "report" button has been hit enough.

Well done, Mods.


Eric

Y'know...being passive-aggressive is a form of incivility too.

I'm British, I should know.

Albatross wrote:

MagickalMemories wrote:I like Dakka. It's one of very few sites I visit regularly and one of only 2 forums I post on.
I just counted. I've got 7 people on my ignore list. Six of them are because they posted with such horrifying lack of grammar, spelling and punctuation that I literally found myself unable to comprehend what they were saying without having a second or 3rd read.
The last is just one of the rudest people I've met online, and I found it better to ignore him than even read his drivel.

I think the Mods here do an admirable job, and the place is, overall, quite civil. That wasn't always the case. There was a time, before Yak owned the place, that Dakka was well known for devolving into arguing and name-calling. It's quite a nice place to hang out these days!

My only gripes are "A" the way "slow" and "slowed" are thrown around (which is more of a societal problem than anything else) and "B" the fact that a certain member seems to feel the need to go into graphic detail about his sex life in these (family) forums. Of course, "b" will resolve itself well enough, once the "report" button has been hit enough.

Well done, Mods.


Eric

Y'know...being passive-aggressive is a form of incivility too.

I'm British, I should know.

Gibbsey wrote:

Manchu wrote:I'm making a point of not asking about the limp, given the other complaints I've read in this thread.

Bob had a limp, now he has a very sucessful marketing campaign....

From the above post, clearly Gibbsey is who he's referring to

Is "lame" really that offensive?

People should really chill the feth out IMHO. I understand(though again I'm not,offended by) "slow" but "lame?" The number of words we aren't allowed to say is getting to be pretty alarming.

I'm pretty sure he was joking, MR.

OTOH, I am genuinely offended when people use "sad" (especially you Brits!), since I suffer from Clinical Depression.

I wasn't joking! I'm STILL CRYING HERE.

Mannahnin wrote:OTOH, I am genuinely offended when people use "sad" (especially you Brits!), since I suffer from Clinical Depression.

What about all the folks with Seasonal affective Disorder??? Won't someone think of the children?

Please stop arguing and talking about limpness, retardedness, drunkness, sadness, and cupness.



I had a troubled childhood.

Da Boss wrote:I wasn't joking! I'm STILL CRYING HERE.

Its ok. It will help flavor your ale.

Manchu wrote:

MagickalMemories wrote:the way "slow" and "slowed" are thrown around (which is more of a societal problem than anything else)

We are working on this as we don't like it, either. Please use the report button when you see it. Same goes for substituting "gay" for "lame."

And "raping" armies, tanks and so on.

Teenage slang up with which we will not put.

Kilkrazy wrote:

Manchu wrote:

MagickalMemories wrote:the way "slow" and "slowed" are thrown around (which is more of a societal problem than anything else)

We are working on this as we don't like it, either. Please use the report button when you see it. Same goes for substituting "gay" for "lame."

And "raping" armies, tanks and so on.

Teenage slang up with which we will not put.

Does Dakka have a Help Line for these affected armies/armoured vehichles?

Manchu wrote:

MagickalMemories wrote:the way "slow" and "slowed" are thrown around (which is more of a societal problem than anything else)

We are working on this as we don't like it, either. Please use the report button when you see it. Same goes for substituting "gay" for "lame."

Manchu. You're a Mod.
You should know this already....

I do. >: )


Eric



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Albatross wrote:Y'know...being passive-aggressive is a form of incivility too.

I'm British, I should know.

So would be making unsupported allegations.

There was no aggression, passive or otherwise, in the post.
I was simply sharing my opinions.

Eric

MagickalMemories wrote:

Manchu wrote:

MagickalMemories wrote:the way "slow" and "slowed" are thrown around (which is more of a societal problem than anything else)

We are working on this as we don't like it, either. Please use the report button when you see it. Same goes for substituting "gay" for "lame."

Manchu. You're a Mod.
You should know this already....

I do. >: )

Well yeah we know, but we always like a good opportunity for a public reminder.

MagickalMemories wrote:

Manchu wrote:

MagickalMemories wrote:the way "slow" and "slowed" are thrown around (which is more of a societal problem than anything else)

We are working on this as we don't like it, either. Please use the report button when you see it. Same goes for substituting "gay" for "lame."

Manchu. You're a Mod.
You should know this already....

I do

Yeah, but I hope others will, too.


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EDIT: What Mannahnin said.

Destrado wrote:Please stop arguing and talking about limpness, retardedness, drunkness, sadness, and cupness.



I had a troubled childhood.

So are you offended by people 'thinking of the children'?

If it's Gary Glitter or Pete Townsend I'm offended by it.

Da Boss wrote:I'm sorry I'm too busy crying salty tears of grief into my delicious ale to reply to you, Manchu.

If it was a margarita you could cry on the rim.

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:

Da Boss wrote:I'm sorry I'm too busy crying salty tears of grief into my delicious ale to reply to you, Manchu.

If it was a margarita you could cry on the rim.

I always cry when something salty touches my ri-



...actually, no.

That's too far, even for me.

Albatross wrote:

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:

Da Boss wrote:I'm sorry I'm too busy crying salty tears of grief into my delicious ale to reply to you, Manchu.

If it was a margarita you could cry on the rim.

I always cry when something salty touches my ri-



...actually, no.

That's too far, even for me.

when you go one character from completeing the sentance

Albatross wrote:

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:

Da Boss wrote:I'm sorry I'm too busy crying salty tears of grief into my delicious ale to reply to you, Manchu.

If it was a margarita you could cry on the rim.

I always cry when something salty touches my ri-



...actually, no.

That's too far, even for me.

Clearly Alby is the one who MM was talking about. Or is he? The mystery plot thickens!

HMMMM i like civility. I love civility in fact ill go as far as saying i like to be civil anywhere i go



but i get beaten up for it.

Albatross wrote:So are you offended by people 'thinking of the children'?

Any mentally healthy person would be

WarOne wrote:I just wanted to pause and take time to reflect upon how others view the general respect and civility on the DakkaDakka forums.

As we know, no one is perfect and there are times when our emotions or rhetoric get the better of us. And we have moderators to help mediate the worst things that may be said.

But I want to know how others feel about how you are treated on the forum/how others are treated on the forum.

If this is more a General Discussions thing, please move it there. As always, I place it in OT if it doesn't fit in other forums.

Personally I have felt nothing but acceptance, encouragement and support from members of the site I have talked to. As long as you can be as polite to people as you would like to be treated and can admit faults. Or at least agree to disagree. Then you get on with 99% of the people here fine. A fair few other hobby sites could really learn a thing or two about fostering a friendly community.

Admittedly I'm human and have the odd moment were i pause and ask myself. "Was I harsh or coming across as belligerent?" If I cant 100% say no then i do my best to rectify the situation. And am quite happy to be called out on things if I'm proven wrong. It helps you become better in the hobby I feel if you can do such things.

Lastly. Dakka is a fun community to be a part of. Met some awesome people via this ( My Dark heresy group and some others). Only wargaming/rpg hobby site I've actually enjoyed over the years.

Dakka is the only forum I have enjoyed posting on simply because of the community, it is civil without being uptight with plenty of humour as well as a unifying hobby.

Its like a big anonymous warhams family

I really like Dakka. This was the first forum I have ever logged into. And i haven't even regret it once.
Everyone is very polite to each other. I have to admit that sometimes there are heated discussion.
But these never last really long, or get out of control.

Also i like the fact that there is a great deal of humour on this forum. Dakka has given me some great funny moments.
I like people who don't always take themselves seriously.