Seriously though, do you think its at least "possible" that this theory has some merit? I watch the show Ancient Aliens alot, mainly because I find it to be just plain ol good TV, but Id be lying if I didnt think some of what they say on the show could be plausible.


Now that everyone thinks KC has lost his marbles, what does DAKKA think? Do you buy it? Is it at least possible? Completely made up? WAY to many shrooms? Whats your stance DAKKA

I grew up watching "In Search of..." and Star Trek,so I've always had a fascination with the idea of life on other planets and "Visitors".
Having watched Ancient Aliens on several occasions I have to say they make some interesting arguments,but I'm not convinced...as much as I'd like to be.

I absolutely love that show. I tell you what it definitely is an eye opener. It's all theory but that doesn't make it "made up". Oh, I just picked up a copy of Chariot of the Gods. You all should check it out. Personally I think it has just as much merit as "The Old Man in the Sky" and surely more than the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Do I believe in life in space? Yes the odds against it are fairly low.

Do I believe they've come to earth? No, there are 200 billion to 400 billion stars contained within the Milky Way. Even if against the odds they were all populated by intelligent life our nearest neighbour is 4.2 light years away. Nuclear pulse propulsion could push a manned spaceship to 5% the speed of light. 5% of 4.33 light years is approximately 85 years ...

With all the alternative biochemistries and planets out there it is pretty hard to deny alien life however they have little or no reason to visit our blue marble.

Lord Scythican wrote:I absolutely love that show. I tell you what it definitely is an eye opener. It's all theory but that doesn't make it "made up". Oh, I just picked up a copy of Chariot of the Gods. You all should check it out. Personally I think it has just as much merit as "The Old Man in the Sky" and surely more than the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Yea Ill have to check that book out then.


Like I said most the show just makes good television, BUT! they do make good points at times. There has been a few things they have talked about that grabebd my attention and made start thinking. And that guy with the crazy hair is just the tits. Holy friggin tinfoil hat



As for the non believers, thinking they are too far away? Big Brother already has you fooled *rubs hands together*

Try wrote:Do I believe in life in space? Yes the odds against it are fairly low.

Do I believe they've come to earth? No, there are 200 billion to 400 billion stars contained within the Milky Way. Even if against the odds they were all populated by intelligent life our nearest neighbour is 4.2 light years away. Nuclear pulse propulsion could push a manned spaceship to 5% the speed of light. 5% of 4.33 light years is approximately 85 years ...

It's entirely plausible that "Alien Technology" could/would be far advanced to anything we could conceive of,a trip that would hypothetically take us 100 years could,in theory,take some alien race a matter of hours.


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Lord Scythican wrote:I absolutely love that show. I tell you what it definitely is an eye opener. It's all theory but that doesn't make it "made up". Oh, I just picked up a copy of Chariot of the Gods. You all should check it out. Personally I think it has just as much merit as "The Old Man in the Sky" and surely more than the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Yea Ill have to check that book out then.


Like I said most the show just makes good television, BUT! they do make good points at times. There has been a few things they have talked about that grabebd my attention and made start thinking. And that guy with the crazy hair is just the tits. Holy friggin tinfoil hat



As for the non believers, thinking they are too far away? Big Brother already has you fooled *rubs hands together*

Chariots of the Gods is also a film,released in the late 70's, I think you'd like it KC.

FITZZ wrote:

Tri wrote:Do I believe in life in space? Yes the odds against it are fairly low.

Do I believe they've come to earth? No, there are 200 billion to 400 billion stars contained within the Milky Way. Even if against the odds they were all populated by intelligent life our nearest neighbour is 4.2 light years away. Nuclear pulse propulsion could push a manned spaceship to 5% the speed of light. 5% of 4.33 light years is approximately 85 years ...

It's entirely plausible that "Alien Technology" could/would be far advanced to anything we could conceive of,a trip that would hypothetically take us 100 years could,in theory,take some alien race a matter of hours.

Doesn't get round the fact there are 200-400 billion stars to check ... are we interesting enough to bother visiting?

KingCracker wrote:

Lord Scythican wrote:I absolutely love that show. I tell you what it definitely is an eye opener. It's all theory but that doesn't make it "made up". Oh, I just picked up a copy of Chariot of the Gods. You all should check it out. Personally I think it has just as much merit as "The Old Man in the Sky" and surely more than the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Yea Ill have to check that book out then.


Like I said most the show just makes good television, BUT! they do make good points at times. There has been a few things they have talked about that grabebd my attention and made start thinking. And that guy with the crazy hair is just the tits. Holy friggin tinfoil hat



As for the non believers, thinking they are too far away? Big Brother already has you fooled *rubs hands together*

Distance doesn't matter, the problem is if a species is technologically advanced enough to travel to us then they have no reason to visit us. Trade? totally different languages, societies and potentially even methods of communication would make negotiating impossible while different physiologies and technologies would likely make values and demands very different.
Technology? they are insanely advanced otherwise they couldn't get here.
Because we are special? Go outside and look at the stars, now try and say that earth is "special".

Maybe Earth is special. As in...you know.... special? We could be like a zoo attraction. One of those "MILKY WAY TOURS PRESENTS EARTH!" type deals


Also I think Dr. Neal Digrasse Tyson said it best.
"We are 1% different from monkies, and look at the difference that 1% makes. We put men on the moon, we travel our solar system, we can clone ourselves, the list goes on. Compared to a monkey they couldnt come close to being able to comprehend us and the things we do. Now imagine if "aliens" are just 1% different from us, but in the same regard as we are to monkies"

Try wrote:

FITZZ wrote:

Try wrote:Do I believe in life in space? Yes the odds against it are fairly low.

Do I believe they've come to earth? No, there are 200 billion to 400 billion stars contained within the Milky Way. Even if against the odds they were all populated by intelligent life our nearest neighbour is 4.2 light years away. Nuclear pulse propulsion could push a manned spaceship to 5% the speed of light. 5% of 4.33 light years is approximately 85 years ...

It's entirely plausible that "Alien Technology" could/would be far advanced to anything we could conceive of,a trip that would hypothetically take us 100 years could,in theory,take some alien race a matter of hours.

Doesn't get round the fact there are 200-400 billion stars to check ... are we interesting enough to bother visiting?

That's hard to say,since I live on Earth my answer would be no...in general humans aren't particularly interesting,but to some alien civilization we may be extremely interesting,sort of in the way many of us were fascinated by ant colonies as children.

corpsesarefun wrote:With all the alternative biochemistries and planets out there it is pretty hard to deny alien life however they have little or no reason to visit our blue marble.

rubiksnoob wrote:

corpses are fun wrote:With all the alternative biochemistries and planets out there it is pretty hard to deny alien life however they have little or no reason to visit our blue marble.

Yeah...See every time that guy comes on the screen...my "These guys are batgak crazy"alarm goes off.

First up, it's worth recognising that the origin of all that 'primitive people must have had help from ancient astronaughts' came from the shock Euopeans had when they began to realise how many great civilisational artifacts there were across the world. Faced between the idea that Europeans might not be genetically more civlised, they instead chose to believe that aliens must have helped the lesser human races.

Now, the racism has largely disappeared from idea today, but the legacy remains, in the amount of terrible pseudoscience that inhabits the work.

The idea of ancient astronaughts is seriously cool, and worth playing around with on that level. And there is, of course, no evidence that aliens never came, so if you want to believe it go right ahead. But you just need to understand that all the alleged evidence for it is pretty much made up.

Lord Scythican wrote:I absolutely love that show. I tell you what it definitely is an eye opener. It's all theory but that doesn't make it "made up". Oh, I just picked up a copy of Chariot of the Gods. You all should check it out. Personally I think it has just as much merit as "The Old Man in the Sky" and surely more than the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

von Daniken is pretty wildly acknowledged as a fraud. In Chariot of the Gods he claims there is ancient pottery showing ufos, but this pottery was revealed to have been made very recently, and when the potter was tracked down it was revealed he did this on commission from von Daniken. There is an iron pillar in India that von Daniken claimed doesn't rust, but it's since been shown it does rust and is perfectly normal - von Daniken admitted this decades ago, but never took it out of reprints of Chariots of the Gods. He claimed to have travelled through artificial underground tunnels in South America, but the man he claimed guided him through stated that this never happened.

It's all make believe. He's a charlatan.


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corpsesarefun wrote:Distance doesn't matter, the problem is if a species is technologically advanced enough to travel to us then they have no reason to visit us. Trade? totally different languages, societies and potentially even methods of communication would make negotiating impossible while different physiologies and technologies would likely make values and demands very different.
Technology? they are insanely advanced otherwise they couldn't get here.
Because we are special? Go outside and look at the stars, now try and say that earth is "special".

There's isn't much reason to dig up ancient civilisations except to know about them, and we do that. So there probably wouldn't be any reason go to another planet except to study them, but that's a really good reason.

The greater issue, to my mind, is that it seems to me impossible that a species, regardless of technological sophistication, would ever be able to travel outside their solar system. It's really goddamn far.

Incidentally, you have the greatest sig of all time.

Hmm,I really have to research more...I had no about faked material in "Chariots of the Gods"...of course I haven't seen the film since I was thirteen.
Have to admit...the "Ancient Astronaut" case is looking weaker and weaker..I find that slightly sad.

I am a firm believer that there is life elsewhere in the universe (Maybe even in our solar system. Not intelligent, of course, but several moons (especially Enceladus and Europa) most likely have liquid water underneath them, so I wouldn't be too surprised to find some jellyfish type stuff there. I think the question of wether there is life elsewhere or not is not an "if" question, but a "where" question. Who knows if we'll ever find it? But you can bet it's out there. The system Gliese 581 (Spelling?) has a planet that is in the habitable zone, by the way. Exoplanets are so interesting. I should start a topic for this discussion. Okay, whatever, got off on a tangent.

I highly doubt any intelligent life from space has ever been here (Although life here may have been started by a comet or something of that sort, but that doesn't count), but I am open to the possibility. It is an interesting prospect, nonetheless, and it does make you wonder sometimes. Although I think most of those ancient stories of things coming from the sky and stuff like that is either just myth, ot it was a meteor. (Some of those things have now been proven to be meteors.)

Ancient aliens = Slight possibility. Very slight.

Ancient Astronauts = No possibility whatsoever. Total BS.

Tri wrote:Doesn't get round the fact there are 200-400 billion stars to check ... are we interesting enough to bother visiting?

If they seeded the earth with our single-celled ancestors (see directed panspermia) and are monitoring our development, yes. Yes we are.

FITZZ wrote: Hmm,I really have to research more...I had no about faked material in "Chariots of the Gods"...of course I haven't seen the film since I was thirteen.
Have to admit...the "Ancient Astronaut" case is looking weaker and weaker..I find that slightly sad.

Yeah, it's one of those things that's so awesome it should be true. And again, there's no reason to not believe it, it just needs to be recognised that most of the supposed evidence for it is disingenuous.

All I need to know about this topic I learned from Prince of Darkness.

Never seen it, but while I'd love to believe in aliens (if the universe is that large, there's gotta be something else out there. I mean, otherwise it just seems like a waste of space), but the probability f us having contact with them is basically nil.

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Monster Rain wrote:

Tri wrote:Doesn't get round the fact there are 200-400 billion stars to check ... are we interesting enough to bother visiting?

If they seeded the earth with our single-celled ancestors (see directed panspermia) and are monitoring our development, yes. Yes we are.

The whole argument of "Are we interesting enough to visit" seems pretty stupid. WHat if an extraterrestrial race wants to explore things as we do? What if they have the same thirst for knowledge? And who is to say that it wouldn't be first contact with another species for them too? If we found an alien civilization somehow, we would think it was interesting enough to visit, even if the alien species lived on a planet with no resources whatsoever and were ammonia based.

I believe it. Even without a lot of what Von Daniken puts forth in his book, there are numerous things that just don't make sense otherwise. The Nazca lines, the 'Pyramid Zone' (Pyramidal structures can be found on just about every landmass between the Tropic of Cancer and Capricorn, despite the fact that these cultures couldn't/shouldn't have been able to interact), etc. etc.

The alternative explanation is that ancient man was much more technologically advanced than most historians realize, and that there was some form of interaction on a global scale.

Giant canoes. They talked, traded, and planned things by traveling in giant canoes, and then destroyed all evidence, in the hope that the future conquesting Europeans would make a connection and be too freaked out to continue. Sadly, there effect was too delayed to save them.

chaos0xomega wrote:I believe it. Even without a lot of what Von Daniken puts forth in his book, there are numerous things that just don't make sense otherwise. The Nazca lines, the 'Pyramid Zone' (Pyramidal structures can be found on just about every landmass between the Tropic of Cancer and Capricorn, despite the fact that these cultures couldn't/shouldn't have been able to interact), etc. etc.

The Nazca lines are capable of being reproduced with basic surveying techniques. Wooden pegs have been found in the lines, indicating that's exactly what was done. The pyramid is the most geologically stable object, if you're building a really big stone thing it's going to be the best choice, whether you've seen anyone else try it or not.

The alternative explanation is that ancient man was much more technologically advanced than most historians realize, and that there was some form of interaction on a global scale.

One of the tricks of this kind of thing is to presume that ancient civilisations were more primitive. We actually know a lot about their levels of scientific advancement, and a lot of things that are claimed as being being these populations were actually well within their technological capabilities. A classic example are the Nazca lines you mention above.

sebster wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:I believe it. Even without a lot of what Von Daniken puts forth in his book, there are numerous things that just don't make sense otherwise. The Nazca lines, the 'Pyramid Zone' (Pyramidal structures can be found on just about every landmass between the Tropic of Cancer and Capricorn, despite the fact that these cultures couldn't/shouldn't have been able to interact), etc. etc.

The Nazca lines are capable of being reproduced with basic surveying techniques. Wooden pegs have been found in the lines, indicating that's exactly what was done. The pyramid is the most geologically stable object, if you're building a really big stone thing it's going to be the best choice, whether you've seen anyone else try it or not.

The alternative explanation is that ancient man was much more technologically advanced than most historians realize, and that there was some form of interaction on a global scale.

One of the tricks of this kind of thing is to presume that ancient civilisations were more primitive. We actually know a lot about their levels of scientific advancement, and a lot of things that are claimed as being being these populations were actually well within their technological capabilities. A classic example are the Nazca lines you mention above.

No, I'm sticking with my giant canoes theory. It makes more sense.

sebster wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:I believe it. Even without a lot of what Von Daniken puts forth in his book, there are numerous things that just don't make sense otherwise. The Nazca lines, the 'Pyramid Zone' (Pyramidal structures can be found on just about every landmass between the Tropic of Cancer and Capricorn, despite the fact that these cultures couldn't/shouldn't have been able to interact), etc. etc.

The Nazca lines are capable of being reproduced with basic surveying techniques. Wooden pegs have been found in the lines, indicating that's exactly what was done. The pyramid is the most geologically stable object, if you're building a really big stone thing it's going to be the best choice, whether you've seen anyone else try it or not.

The alternative explanation is that ancient man was much more technologically advanced than most historians realize, and that there was some form of interaction on a global scale.

One of the tricks of this kind of thing is to presume that ancient civilisations were more primitive. We actually know a lot about their levels of scientific advancement, and a lot of things that are claimed as being being these populations were actually well within their technological capabilities. A classic example are the Nazca lines you mention above.

I'm pretty sure the problem with the Nazca Lines isn't how they were made, but why they were made. The big fingerpointing bit has always been "Clearly, they were made so someone out there could see it from above!"

FITZZ wrote:

Try wrote:

FITZZ wrote:

Try wrote:Do I believe in life in space? Yes the odds against it are fairly low.

Do I believe they've come to earth? No, there are 200 billion to 400 billion stars contained within the Milky Way. Even if against the odds they were all populated by intelligent life our nearest neighbour is 4.2 light years away. Nuclear pulse propulsion could push a manned spaceship to 5% the speed of light. 5% of 4.33 light years is approximately 85 years ...

It's entirely plausible that "Alien Technology" could/would be far advanced to anything we could conceive of,a trip that would hypothetically take us 100 years could,in theory,take some alien race a matter of hours.

Doesn't get round the fact there are 200-400 billion stars to check ... are we interesting enough to bother visiting?

That's hard to say,since I live on Earth my answer would be no...in general humans aren't particularly interesting,but to some alien civilization we may be extremely interesting,sort of in the way many of us were fascinated by ant colonies as children.

Maybe they think we look sexy?

Kanluwen wrote:I'm pretty sure the problem with the Nazca Lines isn't how they were made, but why they were made. The big fingerpointing bit has always been "Clearly, they were made so someone out there could see it from above!"

I'm not sure we should conclude that therefore it was ancient astronauts. People have built all kinds of stuff that folk won't ever see, largely for religious purposes.


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micahaphone wrote:No, I'm sticking with my giant canoes theory. It makes more sense.

sebster wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:I'm pretty sure the problem with the Nazca Lines isn't how they were made, but why they were made. The big fingerpointing bit has always been "Clearly, they were made so someone out there could see it from above!"

I'm not sure we should conclude that therefore it was ancient astronauts. People have built all kinds of stuff that folk won't ever see, largely for religious purposes.


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micahaphone wrote:No, I'm sticking with my giant canoes theory. It makes more sense.

I think its not so much "out there" as "up there". Maybe ancient Peruvians had weather balloons?

I have to say that I don’t think aliens have been secretly influencing our or any other society on Earth, though I do believe that alien life (both sentient and not) does exist.

It is interesting to note that the detection of radio waves is not the best way of detecting intelligent life in outer space, since (looking at human development as a base line), there will only be a couple of hundred years where radio waves will be blasted out into space before society moves on to better forms of communication (fibre optics for example). It would not surprise me if we do not hit on the next communication breakthrough within another 200 years (quantum wave distortion to just pull some science fictional sounding technology out of the air) which, at present, is undetectable by us but even now is washing over us.

There are various methods of looking remotely at a heavenly body and determining what it is comprise of and once we decide to put very large baseline telescopes into and around the solar system we might be able to more easily resolve planets and take measurements of their atmosphere to look for artificially created gases and so on.

But again, a lot of this relies on us and “them” catching each other at the right time. A few centuries or millennia either way (not to mention the effect of light travelling so slowly ) mean that we could be surrounded by alien civilisations and not know it as they peaked “too early”, or the signals from their planets have not reached us yet…

Kanluwen wrote:I'm pretty sure the problem with the Nazca Lines isn't how they were made, but why they were made. The big fingerpointing bit has always been "Clearly, they were made so someone out there could see it from above!"

I believe the current understanding is that the shapes were walked/paraded around/over -- akin to something like the prayer labyrinths elsewhere in the world -- in a ceremonial fashion.

So.. it was for the Gods in the sky above....
.. which, of course, takes us back to the initial premise perhaps .

Long have I felt the need to feel the clammy hand of the sky gods.

This demonstrably false claim is definitive proof of alien visitation.

I saw a UFO once.

Albatross wrote:I saw a UFO once.

Was is a big one?

snurl wrote:

Albatross wrote:I saw a UFO once.

Was is a big one?

No. It was a fairly small white dot in the sky, on a clear sunny day. It moved very strangely, alternately darting across the sky in perfectly straight lines at very high speed, and hovering motionless. Then it disappeared.


Very strange.

Albatross wrote:

snurl wrote:

Albatross wrote:I saw a UFO once.

Was is a big one?

No. It was a fairly small white dot in the sky, on a clear sunny day. It moved very strangely, alternately darting across the sky in perfectly straight lines at very high speed, and hovering motionless. Then it disappeared.


Very strange.

I never get to see anything like that. There was an incedent in the news near my area where several people saw something similar to what you describe, but I missed the whole thing.

GalacticDefender wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:

Tri wrote:Doesn't get round the fact there are 200-400 billion stars to check ... are we interesting enough to bother visiting?

If they seeded the earth with our single-celled ancestors (see directed panspermia) and are monitoring our development, yes. Yes we are.

The whole argument of "Are we interesting enough to visit" seems pretty stupid. WHat if an extraterrestrial race wants to explore things as we do? What if they have the same thirst for knowledge? And who is to say that it wouldn't be first contact with another species for them too? If we found an alien civilization somehow, we would think it was interesting enough to visit, even if the alien species lived on a planet with no resources whatsoever and were ammonia based.

No my point was time even with instantaneous travel spending as little as 5 minutes in a 0.0001% of milky way solar systems would take 3 years.

Maybe with mass use of probes you could identify Interesting systems to look in but then you also have to sift through the information, and does the computer know what a humanoid life for looks like?

Maybe they have an App for that?

Albatross wrote:

snurl wrote:

Albatross wrote:I saw a UFO once.

Was is a big one?

No. It was a fairly small white dot in the sky, on a clear sunny day. It moved very strangely, alternately darting across the sky in perfectly straight lines at very high speed, and hovering motionless. Then it disappeared.


Very strange.

I saw something a few summers ago. It was around 11pm and the sky was completely clear, but there was this one large bright orb in the distance. It moved slowly to the left and I assumed it was a plane, but when I went back to check, it had backtracked and gone further to the right. It then hovered in place for about 10 minutes and I got bored. I poked my head around the curtains about 5 minutes later and it had gone, just vanished. It was a bloody bright light too, so hard to miss when you can see faint stars around where it was (which also destroys the possibility of cloud cover).

As for general alien existance... yeah, they probably do exist. Who knows, they might be implanting our brains with theories about our very creation in order to forge a conflict and in turn, allow us to wipe ourselves out. Or they could be stuck billions of light years away, humming and twiddling their appendages.

snurl wrote:Maybe they think we look sexy?

Close, but not exactly...

My friend and I postulated that aliens had been using humanity as some kind of video game, with users taking control of people and armies throughout history. We even went so far as to sketch out a couple of stories set when the ancient machines which allowed alien “players” to interface with and control people started to break down, leading to some humans to get strange compulsions to track down visions and the cause of blank spots in their memories etc, and visit ancient monuments and temples hidden all over the world and “discover” the aliens inside.

sebster wrote:von Daniken is pretty wildly acknowledged as a fraud. In Chariot of the Gods he claims there is ancient pottery showing ufos, but this pottery was revealed to have been made very recently, and when the potter was tracked down it was revealed he did this on commission from von Daniken. There is an iron pillar in India that von Daniken claimed doesn't rust, but it's since been shown it does rust and is perfectly normal - von Daniken admitted this decades ago, but never took it out of reprints of Chariots of the Gods. He claimed to have travelled through artificial underground tunnels in South America, but the man he claimed guided him through stated that this never happened.

It's all make believe. He's a charlatan.

I admit, the man screwed up on several occasions, but that doesn't make all of his research made up. That's the thing though, you can write a thousand good theories, but if you fudge on some evidence it feths up the whole thing. Big mistake, but I try to look past all the crap he screwed up.

He sure as hell didn't make up the Book of Enoch you know?

Ahh, gone to sleep and theres actually some good discussion going on, how nice.


von Daniken - As said, sure he screwed up(mainly in getting caught amiright?) but again, not everything he says is BS, the man does make some good points on things. I find that in incredibly old artwork some things he points out to be a bit.....chin scratching. There are flying objects in some. Some actually look like, well space ships for lack of a better word, others do look like guys in chariots. But you have to realize that that long ago, how could they describe a flying thing in the sky?

Not to get all anti holy (as Im actually rather religious at times) but it does make a bit more sense when ancient civilizations write about how their "sky gods" or "star children" came from the skies and lived among them. Is it made up for religious reasons? Well sure it can be, saying it isnt would be silly. But it still makes you wonder, not only why did they say that, but also, where they got the idea about people from the sky?

Again, I dont fully buy into this whole theory, but it does make me wonder at times. And yes, the guy with the crazy hair people keep posting, thats who I was talking about. He just makes me laugh. HEY IM GOINZ ON DA TVZ! MAKE MA HAIRZ THE AWESOMEZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Too funny

Lord Scythican wrote:

sebster wrote:von Daniken is pretty wildly acknowledged as a fraud. In Chariot of the Gods he claims there is ancient pottery showing ufos, but this pottery was revealed to have been made very recently, and when the potter was tracked down it was revealed he did this on commission from von Daniken. There is an iron pillar in India that von Daniken claimed doesn't rust, but it's since been shown it does rust and is perfectly normal - von Daniken admitted this decades ago, but never took it out of reprints of Chariots of the Gods. He claimed to have travelled through artificial underground tunnels in South America, but the man he claimed guided him through stated that this never happened.

It's all make believe. He's a charlatan.

I admit, the man screwed up on several occasions, but that doesn't make all of his research made up. That's the thing though, you can write a thousand good theories, but if you fudge on some evidence it feths up the whole thing. Big mistake, but I try to look past all the crap he screwed up.

He sure as hell didn't make up the Book of Enoch you know?

I think it's less of a case of, "He faked a few things, but most of his research is legitimate," and more of a case of, "When viewed in the right context, some of his wildly extrapolated conclusions can be seen as remotely plausible, but the overwhelming multitude of faked evidence obliterates any shred of credibility he may have had."

SilverMK2 wrote:My friend and I postulated that aliens had been using humanity as some kind of video game, with users taking control of people and armies throughout history. We even went so far as to sketch out a couple of stories set when the ancient machines which allowed alien “players” to interface with and control people started to break down, leading to some humans to get strange compulsions to track down visions and the cause of blank spots in their memories etc, and visit ancient monuments and temples hidden all over the world and “discover” the aliens inside.

'Dude! I can't believe they totally nerfed the British Empire in 5th ed!'

'Yeah, but did you check out USA? 'Um... *broken* much?'

Yeah, well, typical 'Human Creep'...'

'Ha! Yeah, can't wait for the new Codex: People's Republic of China to come out.... if it ever does, that is. I hear they're getting aircraft carriers....'

'SALT!! That's just wishlisting!'




I could do that forever....

.... and still no F.A.Q.

How many editions have we been waiting for the "meaning of life" problem to be answered ?

Lazy bastards.

Not to mention the whole god debacle ...Still nice to get some old fluff back; I thought that the crusades were long gone, master-stroke getting the Americans to do it this time.

Yes.

There are several problems with Von Daniken.

1. A lot of his evidence was faked.
2. A few of the stuff that wasn't is tenuous.
3. The best things, such as the Nazca lines, turn out not to be impossible to do.

The most OUTRAGEOUS theory I heard on that show (It might have actually been him) was that the pyramids were actually a type of "fusion combustion chamber" that supplied power to all the obelisks that Egyptians are known for. This isnt the crazy part yet, ready? And those obelisks beam the energy to the satellites in Earths Orbit. Now that was how Egyptians did things apparently.

I think I need some of Cannerus's stash to even remotely think further on that one

You can take Occam's razor to any one of their theories and have a field day.

rubiksnoob wrote:You can take Occam's razor to any one of their theories and have a field day.

And if you leave it under a pyramid it won't go blunt either !

rubiksnoob wrote:You can take Occam's razor to any one of their theories and have a field day.

Cast on a 20, 10 Attacks with a Strength of 8 thanks to my Ld on your- Oh, wrong guy.

reds8n wrote:

rubiksnoob wrote:You can take Occam's razor to any one of their theories and have a field day.

And if you leave it under a pyramid it won't go blunt either !

It never dulls because it was fabricated on another planet and brought to earth by beings from another world!

IT'S THE ONLY LOGICAL EXPLANATION.

KingCracker wrote:The most OUTRAGEOUS theory I heard on that show (It might have actually been him) was that the pyramids were actually a type of "fusion combustion chamber" that supplied power to all the obelisks that Egyptians are known for. This isnt the crazy part yet, ready? And those obelisks beam the energy to the satellites in Earths Orbit. Now that was how Egyptians did things apparently.

I think I need some of Cannerus's stash to even remotely think further on that one

What about the pyramids and how they made light deep inside them? The whole reflecting mirror trick from The Mummy was proved to not really work and there wasn't enough air inside to do torches, (lack of soot as well). I wonder if they had the light sources that Ancient Aliens referred too:

Lord Scythican wrote:

KingCracker wrote:The most OUTRAGEOUS theory I heard on that show (It might have actually been him) was that the pyramids were actually a type of "fusion combustion chamber" that supplied power to all the obelisks that Egyptians are known for. This isnt the crazy part yet, ready? And those obelisks beam the energy to the satellites in Earths Orbit. Now that was how Egyptians did things apparently.

I think I need some of Cannerus's stash to even remotely think further on that one

What about the pyramids and how they made light deep inside them? The whole reflecting mirror trick from The Mummy was proved to not really work and there wasn't enough air inside to do torches, (lack of soot as well). I wonder if they had the light sources that Ancient Aliens referred too:

Yes, the ancient Egyptians had electricity. Of course! It makes so much sense!

rubiksnoob wrote:

Lord Scythican wrote:

KingCracker wrote:The most OUTRAGEOUS theory I heard on that show (It might have actually been him) was that the pyramids were actually a type of "fusion combustion chamber" that supplied power to all the obelisks that Egyptians are known for. This isnt the crazy part yet, ready? And those obelisks beam the energy to the satellites in Earths Orbit. Now that was how Egyptians did things apparently.

I think I need some of Cannerus's stash to even remotely think further on that one

What about the pyramids and how they made light deep inside them? The whole reflecting mirror trick from The Mummy was proved to not really work and there wasn't enough air inside to do torches, (lack of soot as well). I wonder if they had the light sources that Ancient Aliens referred too:

Yes, the ancient Egyptians had electricity. Of course! It makes so much sense!

Now you are just being an ass. I guess you are in the school of thought that it is a picture of a lotus flower's aroma? All I am saying is they had to light their hallways somehow and mirrors and torches are not good enough for an explanation. Instead of being an ass, wouldn't it be more productive to speculate on the theory and perhaps put forth some alternatives? Here I will help you out: Airducts.

That thing looks like an aubergine, or a giant wang. Knowing the Pharoahs as I do, I'm betting on the second option.

I wonder if it would have been possible for the chambers inside the pyramids to have been painted before they put the roof on?

Kilkrazy wrote:That thing looks like an aubergine, or a giant wang. Knowing the Pharoahs as I do, I'm betting on the second option.

I wonder if it would have been possible for the chambers inside the pyramids to have been painted before they put the roof on?

That sounds plausible as well. Maybe the painted each floor first before the put up the next level. I know I do it with citadel miniatures all the time.

Lord Scythican wrote:

rubiksnoob wrote:

Lord Scythican wrote:

KingCracker wrote:The most OUTRAGEOUS theory I heard on that show (It might have actually been him) was that the pyramids were actually a type of "fusion combustion chamber" that supplied power to all the obelisks that Egyptians are known for. This isnt the crazy part yet, ready? And those obelisks beam the energy to the satellites in Earths Orbit. Now that was how Egyptians did things apparently.

I think I need some of Cannerus's stash to even remotely think further on that one

What about the pyramids and how they made light deep inside them? The whole reflecting mirror trick from The Mummy was proved to not really work and there wasn't enough air inside to do torches, (lack of soot as well). I wonder if they had the light sources that Ancient Aliens referred too:

Yes, the ancient Egyptians had electricity. Of course! It makes so much sense!

Now you are just being an ass. I guess you are in the school of thought that it is a picture of a lotus flower's aroma? All I am saying is they had to light their hallways somehow and mirrors and torches are not good enough for an explanation. Instead of being an ass, wouldn't it be more productive to speculate on the theory and perhaps put forth some alternatives? Here I will help you out: Airducts.

Okay, if they used electricity to light the passages in the pyramids, where is the evidence? Wires, cables, all the different components neccessary for creating and utilizing electrical lighting; shouldn't there be some of it still lying around? And what about making these things?
Wouldn't there be mention somewhere of the craftsmen who created these things? Something like this would have had a major impact on ancient Egyptian culture.
In the myriad accounts by ancient historians of Egyptian culture and society, why is there no mention of electricity? The Egyptians themselves made no reference to it. So where is the evidence for this wild claim?

I am not saying they had electricity. I am saying it is fun to speculate that there could be a possibility due to the fact that the torches and mirror trick wouldn't work. You have to remember anyone who seriously believes that they had electricity can say the aliens took the components and left earth. Heck ancient alien theorists use this explanation because they believe the aliens did this on purpose so we would be scratching are heads and pondering how this is all possible. This is what is supposed to lead us to the theory that aliens did it.

I am not saying I believe any of this. To me it is an entertaining show and I find it fun to speculate these theories. A lot of them have just as much merit as Christianity for crying out loud.

I am the biggest skeptic there is, but even you have to agree there isn't much else on TV worth watching, (besides Dexter of course).

takes 25-30 years to build ... plenty of time to do some painting



Also they used a tunnel running round the outside to get the stuff from the bottom to the top; each straight had a simple winch.

Lord Scythican wrote:there isn't much else on TV worth watching, (besides Dexter of course).

Ehh, you have a point there. Although the only thing I 've really watched on tv in ages is Lie to Me.

Tri wrote:takes 25-30 years to build ... plenty of time to do some painting



Also they used a tunnel running round the outside to get the stuff from the bottom to the top; each straight had a simple winch.

Okay I don't feel like finding the info, but I have heard plenty of times that building a pyramid in 20-25 years is BS. That's like 2102 1/2 ton blocks a day! But there is plenty of researchers who say this is ok!

Regardless, 25-30 years is still a long time...

rubiksnoob wrote:

Lord Scythican wrote:there isn't much else on TV worth watching, (besides Dexter of course).

Ehh, you have a point there. Although the only thing I 've really watched on tv in ages is Lie to Me.

That is pretty sad that "nothing else on TV" is the best part of my arguement isn't it?

I think I am going to start a topic on TV shows to watch. I need some new ones.

I could not confirm if Aliens have ever landed on Earth. But thier have been some strange things that have been found in acient ruins such as pictures carved in stone tablets showing some unidentified objects and some rather odd tombs in eygpt. France and New Zealand have also realesed thier UFO files meaning that some Goverment agencies were investigating UFOs. But as I said I cant say that proves that aliens have visited Earth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_pyramid_construction_techniques

While no-one has been able to prove a single definite construction method, there are various methods which would work, and which could have been combined in real life.

Modern experiments have shown that moving and lifting stones of that size, that fast, was certainly possible with ancient materials and techniques.

rubiksnoob wrote:

Lord Scythican wrote:

KingCracker wrote:The most OUTRAGEOUS theory I heard on that show (It might have actually been him) was that the pyramids were actually a type of "fusion combustion chamber" that supplied power to all the obelisks that Egyptians are known for. This isnt the crazy part yet, ready? And those obelisks beam the energy to the satellites in Earths Orbit. Now that was how Egyptians did things apparently.

I think I need some of Cannerus's stash to even remotely think further on that one

What about the pyramids and how they made light deep inside them? The whole reflecting mirror trick from The Mummy was proved to not really work and there wasn't enough air inside to do torches, (lack of soot as well). I wonder if they had the light sources that Ancient Aliens referred too:

Yes, the ancient Egyptians had electricity. Of course! It makes so much sense!

Ever hear of the Baghdad Battery? Don't be an ass.

Okay I don't feel like finding the info, but I have heard plenty of times that building a pyramid in 20-25 years is BS. That's like 2102 1/2 ton blocks a day! But there is plenty of researchers who say this is ok!

I seem to recall someone doing the calculations on this, and (assuming they did it correctly) the result was that the construction of the pyramids would have been impossible in that timeframe, unless the entire population of Egypt was put to labor constructing them.

Lord Scythican wrote:

Tri wrote:takes 25-30 years to build ... plenty of time to do some painting



Also they used a tunnel running round the outside to get the stuff from the bottom to the top; each straight had a simple winch.

Okay I don't feel like finding the info, but I have heard plenty of times that building a pyramid in 20-25 years is BS. That's like 2102 1/2 ton blocks a day! But there is plenty of researchers who say this is ok!

Regardless, 25-30 years is still a long time...

rubiksnoob wrote:

Lord Scythican wrote:there isn't much else on TV worth watching, (besides Dexter of course).

Ehh, you have a point there. Although the only thing I 've really watched on tv in ages is Lie to Me.

That is pretty sad that "nothing else on TV" is the best part of my arguement isn't it?

I think I am going to start a topic on TV shows to watch. I need some new ones.

Haha, no I think I agreed with what you said fo rthe most part. I was just too lazy to respond to the rest.

If you don't want to watch it all skip to part 3

rubiksnoob wrote:Haha, no I think I agreed with what you said fo rthe most part. I was just too lazy to respond to the rest.

Well thats good. Sorry for calling you an ass btw. You seem keen on speculating now.

@Tri: Everything was blocked at my workplace. I will try and respond to it later.

Also on the subject of how the pyramids were made, it is possible that they were constructed rather easily. Ever heard of Coral Castle? One guy did all that by himself. No one can explain how he did. What's even weirder is that he moved the whole thing miles away without anyone seeing. He claimed that he had discovered how the Egyptians created the pyramids and that it was actually pretty simple. Photos show a mysterious black box with Edward Leedskalnin that disappeared when he died.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coral_Castle

Kilkrazy wrote:That thing looks like an aubergine, or a giant wang. Knowing the Pharoahs as I do, I'm betting on the second option.

Damn you Kilkrazy, making me burst out laughing at work!

Coral Castle? ... Look on on line ... used anti gravity ... his shed was filled with chains and strange machines ...

He used a blood winch. Amazing that he did it on his own but given enough time you can do almost any thing.

It's an interesting show, and really makes you wonder... but I do think a lot of times they're really "reaching". I wanna believe that aliens were coming here all the time and using our ley lines as their very own intergalctic gas station, but you'd think they would have at least left behind something.. like an alien twinkie wrapper or something.

but why were they all coming here 2000 years ago and setting bushes on fire and giving us commandments, but not now?

Necros wrote:It's an interesting show, and really makes you wonder... but I do think a lot of times they're really "reaching". I wanna believe that aliens were coming here all the time and using our ley lines as their very own intergalctic gas station, but you'd think they would have at least left behind something.. like an alien twinkie wrapper or something.

but why were they all coming here 2000 years ago and setting bushes on fire and giving us commandments, but not now?

Tyranids ate them.

Squats started our civilization? Suddenly it all makes sense.

Necros wrote:It's an interesting show, and really makes you wonder... but I do think a lot of times they're really "reaching". I wanna believe that aliens were coming here all the time and using our ley lines as their very own intergalactic gas station, but you'd think they would have at least left behind something.. like an alien twinkie wrapper or something.

but why were they all coming here 2000 years ago and setting bushes on fire and giving us commandments, but not now?

Perhaps we started out as an "Alien Experiment" where they were very "hands on" to begin with and are now sitting back to observe what happens...and deciding if they should just scrap the whole project.

sebster wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:I'm pretty sure the problem with the Nazca Lines isn't how they were made, but why they were made. The big fingerpointing bit has always been "Clearly, they were made so someone out there could see it from above!"

I'm not sure we should conclude that therefore it was ancient astronauts. People have built all kinds of stuff that folk won't ever see, largely for religious purposes.

Nor am I suggesting that we should jump to that conclusion.

I'm just saying that your initial statement about the construction of the Nazca Lines read, to me, like that was the cause of the ancient astronaut claims.

A far better example is the construction of Stonehenge. Or the Pyramids. Or the Bimini Road, Easter Island heads, etc etc

There's tons of things that ancient astronaut theorists point to as evidence of extraterrestrial tampering.

How about ley lines then?


Though other research puts doubt on that ....

... after all how could they have known.

lol tri wins the thread

Tri, we have so many ancient castles and monuments her eine ngland, it would be difficult to draw a line through England and NOT hit a lot of them.

SilverMK2 wrote:I have to say that I don’t think aliens have been secretly influencing our or any other society on Earth, though I do believe that alien life (both sentient and not) does exist.

It is interesting to note that the detection of radio waves is not the best way of detecting intelligent life in outer space, since (looking at human development as a base line), there will only be a couple of hundred years where radio waves will be blasted out into space before society moves on to better forms of communication (fibre optics for example). It would not surprise me if we do not hit on the next communication breakthrough within another 200 years (quantum wave distortion to just pull some science fictional sounding technology out of the air) which, at present, is undetectable by us but even now is washing over us.

There are various methods of looking remotely at a heavenly body and determining what it is comprise of and once we decide to put very large baseline telescopes into and around the solar system we might be able to more easily resolve planets and take measurements of their atmosphere to look for artificially created gases and so on.

But again, a lot of this relies on us and “them” catching each other at the right time. A few centuries or millennia either way (not to mention the effect of light travelling so slowly ) mean that we could be surrounded by alien civilisations and not know it as they peaked “too early”, or the signals from their planets have not reached us yet…

Also there could be intelligent life that hasn't advanced to the point of sending signals yet.

I would like to think so.

But I can't.

I cant wait for intelligent life to arrive on this planet

Tri wrote:

GalacticDefender wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:

Tri wrote:Doesn't get round the fact there are 200-400 billion stars to check ... are we interesting enough to bother visiting?

If they seeded the earth with our single-celled ancestors (see directed panspermia) and are monitoring our development, yes. Yes we are.

The whole argument of "Are we interesting enough to visit" seems pretty stupid. WHat if an extraterrestrial race wants to explore things as we do? What if they have the same thirst for knowledge? And who is to say that it wouldn't be first contact with another species for them too? If we found an alien civilization somehow, we would think it was interesting enough to visit, even if the alien species lived on a planet with no resources whatsoever and were ammonia based.

No my point was time even with instantaneous travel spending as little as 5 minutes in a 0.0001% of milky way solar systems would take 3 years.

Maybe with mass use of probes you could identify Interesting systems to look in but then you also have to sift through the information, and does the computer know what a humanoid life for looks like?

Who says life has to be humanoid? Also any extraterrestrials who have advanced past our own civilization could probably look through some sort of crazy telescope. We're not even that far off from the point where we'll be able to tell at least some of the gasses in a planet's atmosphere from Earth. We've already found a few planets in the habitable zone of stars, as well, such as the Gliese 581 system.

Note the fact that I'm not arguing ancient aliens at all, just talkin about space. I highly doubt any intelligent life has been on Earth before, but I wouldn't say they wouldn't if they had the means to get here and knew what was here.

I find little green men from another planet coming and having a squizz at us far more credible than some malevolent sky wizard making everything.

What if the little green men are what the people back in the day interpreted as being God(s)?

Then I would expect them to come back and clear up their own mess by slapping around the Fundies who preach hate in their names, claiming to be right.


Duh..

Lord Scythican wrote:

KingCracker wrote:The most OUTRAGEOUS theory I heard on that show (It might have actually been him) was that the pyramids were actually a type of "fusion combustion chamber" that supplied power to all the obelisks that Egyptians are known for. This isnt the crazy part yet, ready? And those obelisks beam the energy to the satellites in Earths Orbit. Now that was how Egyptians did things apparently.

I think I need some of Cannerus's stash to even remotely think further on that one

What about the pyramids and how they made light deep inside them? The whole reflecting mirror trick from The Mummy was proved to not really work and there wasn't enough air inside to do torches, (lack of soot as well). I wonder if they had the light sources that Ancient Aliens referred too:

They had frikkin oil lamps. I remember reading or watching that somewhere. It was pretty much just a little bowl of oil I think. I also remember hearing somewhere that they had some ventilation shafts.


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Mr Mystery wrote:I find little green men from another planet coming and having a squizz at us far more credible than some malevolent sky wizard making everything.

Thanks for making me not have to say this! I second, third, and fourth this.

Mr Mystery wrote:Then I would expect them to come back and clear up their own mess by slapping around the Fundies who preach hate in their names, claiming to be right.

Why would you expect that?

Also, Fundies?



I question the relevance, not to mention their ability to speak.

Hmmmm. . . . where might one purchase such undergarments? Only out of curiosity of course.

One might purchase them at Spencers gifts...if one was so inclined to do so.

Well that certainly is good know. . . I learned something new!






How much $?

Short answer: no
Long answer: due to the size and possibility of an infinite cosmos possibly.

I had a dream about an Alien once.
I was in a lift, it was behind me.
I asked it what it was called.
It said Len-non.
Shook my hand.
Then got out of the lift.

I've streamed a few episodes of Ancient Aliens, but a lot of it is stuff that I had already seen/hear/read somewhere else.

There is a guy out there, Klaus Dona I think is his name who has done a lot of research about out of place artifacts and whatnot. I believe his thesis was more along the lines of a high human civilization 10,000 plus years ago rather than aliens.

@KC if you think this gak is interesting, you should check out the books by an old dude named Zachiriah Sitchin. I think he's dead now, but it's where that guy with the perm-tan and electrified hair on Ancient Aliens gets most of his stuff.

Personally, I think it's rather sad that so many people seem so willing to believe that alien visitors built things that humans actually built with their own smarts and hard work.

gorgon wrote:Personally, I think it's rather sad that so many people seem so willing to believe that alien visitors built things that humans actually built with their own smarts and hard work.

A giift of European Imperialism.

If we couldn't have built it several hundred years ago, how could these savages have possibly done so?

chaos0xomega wrote:the 'Pyramid Zone' (Pyramidal structures can be found on just about every landmass between the Tropic of Cancer and Capricorn, despite the fact that these cultures couldn't/shouldn't have been able to interact),

The answer to that one is easy: ignorance. People who express doubt at how so many civilizations could've built so many pyramids in so many places know absolutely zilch about construction, engineering, or architecture. The pyramid is one of the simplest, stablest, strongest geometric shapes out there. Heck, pour a big bag of rocks on the ground and you get a roughly pyramidal shape. When it comes to building large structures, pyramids are one of the easiest things to scale up without advanced support techniques and so when primitive cultures wanted to build something great and amazing, they used pyramids, whose stability is such that they can last untended for thousands of years. Compare it to anything with a square or rectangular core design, that will require archs, buttresses, 'advanced' architectural techniques, and imagine how one of those great gothic cathedrals would look after being left untended in a rainforest for a thousand years.

So while I think that it is an absolute certainty that the universe teems with life, and has been so for billions of years, the lack of any sign of their existence in the greater cosmos means that C in a vacuum has never been broken, and even at their height, the lack of faster than light travel and communication means there are no great galactic empires, and that even the longest lived of civilizations leave carve out a very small (in galactic terms) niche in the greater galaxy.

Khornholio wrote:
@KC if you think this gak is interesting, you should check out the books by an old dude named Zachiriah Sitchin. I think he's dead now, but it's where that guy with the perm-tan and electrified hair on Ancient Aliens gets most of his stuff.

Oh my god, you made me bust up. That was the best way to describe.....who ever he is. I remember he was an editor of some tinfoil-colander hat magazine. And thanks for the tid bit Ill have to add that guy to my list as well.


Pyramids- Everyone has it all wrong. Like I said before when I was bashing the fusion chambers theory peer pressure for real the things are friggin power plants! Who needs wires when its all wireless fellas!

As for the electricity thing, Tesla used to power things "wirelessly" just by conducting the energy through the ground. Not saying they had energy but still

Also I laugh at shows that try and make ancient civilizations out to be cavemen with clubs and bad teeth. They were incredibly smart and able back then. Hell they even had computers and robots. Sure the computers were super smart thinker types, and the robots where just slaves, but they got the same results!

That's one of the irritating thing about so many time travel tropes - ancient people weren't stupid. Grab a baby out of 5 BCE Europe and raise him like a normal kid today and he's going to be as smart as everyone else - they just didn't have the depth of knowledge back then, or the availability that we do today.

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