Despite being a Packers fan, I had predicted a Pittsburgh victory. Surprisingly, I think the game would have been a blow out had Packers WRs not dropped 5 passes.

It was a good game and I'm sure the ratings were high. Their were some pretty decent commercials as well.

Edit: Green Bay is now the first 6th seed to ever win a Super Bowl.

What a great game though.

I really could have been either of them right up until the end. Way too many interceptions for the Steelers though!

Worst half time show ever, hands down. I was never a fan of the black eyed peas, but I had no idea they were utterly talentless. Even the effects sucked.

Where is the Love is a decent song, but like the majority of pop acts they suck live. Christina's rendition of the national anthem was pretty poor, she got shone up by the girl from Glee.

My god the Anthem was poorly done and the halftime was terrible. The Doritos commercials were the best in my opinion. I didn't expect the score to be that high though seeing as though they both have top notch defenses.

A minimum of BS calls and a nice close score made it a fantastic Super Bowl.

Now I have to contend with the bandwagon Steeler fans. Seriously I called one up who was talking trash and she screamed; "Packers are pussies, they only won by a field goal, Packers won by a pussy field goal!". Yeah, that kind of fan.

In other news, Madden was wrong once again, a 6th seed team won the Super Bowl which is a first in NFL history, and this is the first Super Bowl win I can remember(first time was when I was six).

I actually liked the half time show.

Then again I don't feel the need to be a hater, lest someone think I'm not a hipster that hates all things pop.

Monster Rain wrote:I actually liked the half time show.

Then again I don't feel the need to be a hater, lest someone think I'm not a hipster that hates all things pop.

It just seemed dull you know, pop and the likes need to stay out of football. Get a band that plays rock and roll or metal. Failing that they should've gotten Lil' Wayne, I didn't like rap before but for some reason I like Lil' Wayne now.

Steelers lost ,so I wasn't that happy...but a damn good game overall.

halonachos wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:I actually liked the half time show.

Then again I don't feel the need to be a hater, lest someone think I'm not a hipster that hates all things pop.

It just seemed dull you know, pop and the likes need to stay out of football. Get a band that plays rock and roll or metal. Failing that they should've gotten Lil' Wayne, I didn't like rap before but for some reason I like Lil' Wayne now.

Someone in Will I. Am's entourage punched Perez Hilton. That's pretty gangsta.

In other news, Tom Brady also had a pretty big day.

Everyday he has is a big day by the standards of we mortal men.

At least the sexual predator lost.

It made up for the horrible anthem and halftime performances tbh...

rubiksnoob wrote:Worst half time show ever, hands down. I was never a fan of the black eyed peas, but I had no idea they were utterly talentless. Even the effects sucked.

Slash rose from the grave.

That's all that was needed to make it great.

dogma wrote:

rubiksnoob wrote:Worst half time show ever, hands down. I was never a fan of the black eyed peas, but I had no idea they were utterly talentless. Even the effects sucked.

Slash rose from the grave.

That's all that was needed to make it great.

You forgot 1 Huge detail... he didn't bring Axel! that's what made it great!

And Usher descended from the Heavens like the angel Moroni!

Did Christina Aguilera get a line wrong in the anthem? It was all over the news this morning.

Nobody caught it at first. Just the other day me and the wife forgot the same line. I doubt anyone could sing all 4 verses.

sexiest_hero wrote:Nobody caught it at first. Just the other day me and the wife forgot the same line. I doubt anyone could sing all 4 verses.

Then maybe they should stop attempting live renditions of it then huh?

I mean Usher was lip-syncing (badly), so you might as well have C-3PO come out and pretend to sing to a recording of it...

Seriously fellers, what 12 posts and there has been almost as much talk of Glee as there has been the game. Wiil.i.aint and Black eyed peas? Common, this is the Super Bowl (greatest show on eart appearantly?) not a discussion about Heat Magazine?

I haven't tracked down the highlights yet but were there any stand out plays or moments?

Sometimes I wonder if all Amerikans are more interested in Celeb culture and fast food than your sports...no wait...wut?

notprop wrote:Seriously fellers, what 12 posts and there has been almost as much talk of Glee as there has been the game. Wiil.i.aint and Black eyed peas? Common, this is the Super Bowl (greatest show on eart appearantly?) not a discussion about Heat Magazine?

I haven't tracked down the highlights yet but were there any stand out plays or moments?

Sometimes I wonder if all Amerikans are more interested in Celeb culture and fast food than your sports...no wait...wut?

Well as New England fan the best team in fotball wasn't playing, so no two teams that I could care less about really isn't all that exciting to be honest...

The only in-game highlight that I would have cared to see would have been watching Ben R. (AKA the mad rapist) sustain a career-ending injury...

Oh Ben...imagine how you would have been portrayed if your team would have won? Had Ben won the Super Bowl, it would have been some kind of redemptive soul-cleansing thing. It would have reversed his sexual indiscretions (rape) and returned his morality and integrity. He would have been the MVP and got a few million extra as a raise. Yeah, and if you play country music backwards you sober up and get your wife and dog back too. Loser.

Roethlisberger is a moron, we were making fun of him the entire game. The half time show was terrible and Slash held his head in shame as that one chick butchered his song.

Christina Aguilere needs to be put on trial for treason, that's how bad her singing was.

Great game, we had perhaps the cleanest and most humbled teams beat the dirtiest and most arrogant of all.

The best plays were when Nick Collins returned the pick for a TD and Bloodline, aka Clay Matthews, stripped Mendenhall. Go Pack Go

Lord Scythican wrote:Oh Ben...imagine how you would have been portrayed if your team would have won? Had Ben won the Super Bowl, it would have been some kind of redemptive soul-cleansing thing. It would have reversed his sexual indiscretions (rape) and returned his morality and integrity. He would have been the MVP and got a few million extra as a raise. Yeah, and if you play country music backwards you sober up and get your wife and dog back too. Loser.

No, he'd still be a rapist, POS. sorry. winning a game doesn't change a persons character. and i wish it didn't magically give the rest of the world amnesia of his past.

ToxicsLayer wrote:The best plays were when Nick Collins returned the pick for a TD and Bloodline, aka Clay Matthews, stripped Mendenhall. Go Pack Go

+1, i agree.

Umm, he hasn't been convicted of anything. I think all this "rapist" talk is a little unfair.

O.J was never convicted either, nor was Kobe. That never stopped people. The game was great, Ben should spend more time trowing around footballs and not women.

That doesn't make it right. Also, O.J. was different. I actually don't think Kobe did it either, based on the details of that case.

Monster Rain wrote:Umm, he hasn't been convicted of anything. I think all this "rapist" talk is a little unfair.

I'm gonna trust my Spide Sense on this one.



Money and influence work wonders when looking to make legal troubles "dissapear" (and having the cops who you are buds with come in an bleach the crime scene doesn't hurt either).

the NFL and his camp did a good job buying the victim's silence and riding out the easily distracted media (shame on her in a sense, but we know how these sorts of trials go for the accuser, especially agaist a high profile defendant with lots of money and high power legal council; it would have been a nightmare for her).

As for unfair: He is a millionaire, he can afford a box of tissues...

Monster Rain wrote:Umm, he hasn't been convicted of anything. I think all this "rapist" talk is a little unfair.

Yeah, i feel pretty comfortable with my statement.

alarmingrick wrote:
No, he'd still be a rapist, POS. sorry. winning a game doesn't change a persons character. and i wish it didn't magically give the rest of the world amnesia of his past.

Oh he still would be. Don't get me wrong, I still believe he is a P.O.S. but the media and after game news would have made a hero story to help us all forget about his past transgressions so we could concentrate on the win, (the world amnesia you referred to). Look in the news now, you see the Packers and good players and the Steelers as dirty donkey-caves. If the steelers would have won, then they would have portrayed much differently. People like winners when the win and people forget about the bad stuff they have done. When they loose, people can't shut up about their mistakes. (I am doing it right now).

alarmingrick wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:Umm, he hasn't been convicted of anything. I think all this "rapist" talk is a little unfair.

Yeah, i feel pretty comfortable with my statement.

Me too, but my spidey sense almost tingles towards "some girl wanted money"...almost.

Gal who sang "America the Beautiful" was phenomenal! Someone please explain to my why she wasn't the one singing the national anthem??

Guess she wasn't glitsy enough for Jerry.


Great game, lousy reffing... afraid of what the score would have been if the Packers could actually catch the football. Surprised that Troy P. was not more of a factor. Bad hair day maybe??

CT GAMER wrote:Money and influence work wonders when looking to make legal troubles "dissapear" (and having the cops who you are buds with come in an bleach the crime scene doesn't hurt either).

Do you have any support for this outlandish claim?

Monster Rain wrote:

CT GAMER wrote:Money and influence work wonders when looking to make legal troubles "dissapear" (and having the cops who you are buds with come in an bleach the crime scene doesn't hurt either).

Do you have any support for this outlandish claim?

Isn't the point of making legal troubles disappear the reason why someone may not have support to make those kind of claims? Just saying...

So is that a no?

That's a no from me. People have gotten a lot better with cover ups since 1947. Actually I don't have any proof of that claim either.

Oh, in that case Ben Rothlesburger actually killed and ate all of the children in a burn ward at a local Pittsburgh hospital.

The police covered it up though, that's why there's no evidence that it actually happened. I know that the police did this because Ben is wealthy.

Monster Rain wrote:Oh, in that case Ben Rothlesburger actually killed and ate all of the children in a burn ward at a local Pittsburgh hospital.

The police covered it up though, that's why there's no evidence that it actually happened. I know that the police did this because Ben is wealthy.

I knew there was a reason why I didn't like that guy. That is pretty bad.

That's why I don't like him.

Rape allegations pale in comparison to these other things I can't prove. I also hear that he worships Satan and parks in Handicapped Spaces.

Monster Rain wrote:That's why I don't like him.

Rape allegations pale in comparison to these other things I can't prove. I also hear that he worships Satan and parks in Handicapped Spaces.

That's too much! If you keep this up, I may have to destroy my Genestealer Steeler!

That is amazing!

You made that?

Lord Scythican wrote:
That's too much! If you keep this up, I may have to destroy my Genestealer Steeler!

Wait a minute... don't they also try to force their seed into you and cause you to forget about it afterwards...

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

Lord Scythican wrote:
That's too much! If you keep this up, I may have to destroy my Genestealer Steeler!

Wait a minute... don't they also try to force their seed into you and cause you to forget about it afterwards...

Nope, they just try to take my levis.

Monster Rain wrote:That is amazing!

You made that?

I sure did! I plan on making a whole team of them eventually. You think I still should?

Here is one other pic of him:

Lord Scythican wrote:I sure did! I plan on making a whole team of them eventually. You think I still should?

No I don't think you should.

I think you must!

Monster Rain wrote:

Lord Scythican wrote:I sure did! I plan on making a whole team of them eventually. You think I still should?

No I don't think you should.

I think you must!

Thanks for the peptalk! I really do want to finish them. I had ideas of using Warriors (Maybe even carnifexes) as linebackers. I am not too sure on what else. I guess it could mostly be genestealers.

You should use a Carnifex as your Defensive Center.

If Vince Wilfork was a tyranid, that's what he'd be.

The game wasn't an edge of your seat experience. It was decent but nothing anyone is going to be talking about in years to come.

The halftime show sucked. I'm ambivalent towards the Blackeyed Peas. They have a few catchy songs but its generic pop. Fergie is easy on the eyes and has one half decent rock song. What happened at half time though was just awful. The design was something out of 1993, the songs were read, not sung, and it was just bleh.

Looking back at halftime shows there was a trend to do ever weirder and weirder things straight out of MTV or the like, things no one who actually gives a crap about football would ever want to watch. Then Janet Jackson's tit got away from her. Since then the trend has been to keep the halftime shows as bland and inoffensive as possible and they suck. There's got to be a middle ground between interpretive dance and the abortion of last night.

Between the black eyed peas and the constant advertising for the after game glee special, I was perplexed at who these things were aimed at in the Superbowl viewing audience...

Someone said here that rock and roll and metal would be good. I suspect getting some ancient antediluvian rocker like The Boss or AC/DC or perhaps metal behemoths like Motorhead or Black Sabbath up there would electrify the entire stadium and set the ground shaking.

Can you imagine Thunderstruck or Ace of Spades or some other anthem like that belting out, with some apache gunships and dancing girls...

That would have been the shiz.

AC/DC would have been legend.

I'm not supposed to advocate violence, so I'll just say that the constant whoring of Glee displeased me.

It was a close game, which is all I ask of a Superbowl.

Some pretty good defensive plays by Green Bay made up for their wide receivers' horrible play in the first half. Honestly, they looked really sloppy. Aaron Rodgers was putting the ball in their hands and they kept putting it on the ground. Fortunately for GB, they made some excellent defensive stops in the first half.

Ben made a few bad decisions and tried to force the ball into double coverage too often and got burned by it. I'm not sure where the Steelers running game went. The Steelers finally turned it on in the second half, but too little too late.

Both sides were racked with injuries.

Monster Rain wrote:

CT GAMER wrote:Money and influence work wonders when looking to make legal troubles "dissapear" (and having the cops who you are buds with come in an bleach the crime scene doesn't hurt either).

Do you have any support for this outlandish claim?

It was widely reported and discussed when the event happened, but thats right everyone except Ben is lying...

CT GAMER wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:

CT GAMER wrote:Money and influence work wonders when looking to make legal troubles "dissapear" (and having the cops who you are buds with come in an bleach the crime scene doesn't hurt either).

Do you have any support for this outlandish claim?

It was widely reported and discussed when the event happened, but thats right everyone except Ben is lying...

Everyone was saying that the police bleached the bathroom? I get that it was cleaned, but I don't know if the police were complicit in the club's bathroom cleaning schedule.

Also, I'll take your response as a distinct "no" answer to my question.

More fun Ben Rothlesburger facts.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4567321

The more I research this issue, the more wrong you are.

Interesting stats:

This is the first year since 1962 that a team has never trailed by more than 7 points. Green Bay did it this year.
Aaron Rodgers joined Steve Young and Joe Montana as the only QBs to throw for 300 yards and 3 TDs in a Superbowl victory.
Aaron Rodgers joined Kurt Warner as the only QBs to throw at least 1000 yards and 9 TDs in the postseason.

Ben Roethlisberger now has 3 TDs and 5 picks in 3 Superbowl appearances.

Monster Rain wrote:

The more I research this issue, the more wrong you are.

Right, because people have never counter-sued as a means to defelct the issue or gain revenge...

What is your evidence that this is the case?

Monster Rain wrote:What is your evidence that this is the case?

Your right, he is an innocent victim, just ask the investigating officer who was more interested in posing for pictures with the accused then performing an adequate and thorough investigation:



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Monster Rain wrote:
Everyone was saying that the police bleached the bathroom? I get that it was cleaned, but I don't know if the police were complicit in the club's bathroom cleaning schedule.

The police have the authority to declare a crime scene and then make it off-limits. Instead they posed for pics with the accused, did nothing to secure the crime scene and then left at which point the club generously removed all evidence for their superstar patron with a good bleaching...

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

I still don't see how any of this is evidence of a police conspiracy.

Monster Rain wrote:Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

I still don't see how any of this is evidence of a police conspiracy.

So are you arguing that he is guilty but stupid policework failed to get him, because stupid policework doesn't make him any less of a predator.

Two sexul assault allegations in less then a year and a long standing history of acting like a entitled a-hole make it pretty clear what kind of douche this guy is.

Another great story that attests to his character is the one told by his teammates of him swearing and running riot at clubs refusing to pay cover and stating that the club should be paying him to be there. His embarrassed teammates had to go back and pay his cover and make ammends for him being a giant egotistical ass. yeah that doesn't sound like a guy that would force himself onto women at all.

He has a history of acting like he is above the law, rules and social code of society. he is an entitled jackass who thinks people are fortunate to be in his presence and this is all well documented by those that deal with him, both media folks, other players, etc.

I'm not really thinking he is the one that has earned the benefit of the doubt here, but it is people like you that validate him continuing to be a disgusting human being (sexual assaults aside)...

I hope someone like him never has the opportunity to be alone with your daughter...

Jesus, Roethlisberger is an alleged rapist and he will always be an alleged rapist, just like Brett Favre will always be known for picking his Vicodin out of his vomit.

halonachos wrote:Great game, we had perhaps the cleanest and most humbled teams beat the dirtiest and most arrogant of all.

Congrats on your win. You only have to win two more SBs to catch up. And don't give me "NFL championships" from some 12 team league 50 years ago.

Seriously though, the fact is that the Steelers showed your team plenty of respect leading up to the game and during the game. So off the high horse. Or should we bring up Mr. Brandon Underwood? Any NFL fan who thinks his fave team is nothing but a bunch of choir boys is seriously deluding themselves.

Regarding BR, it's fairly clear he acted like a jerk...however, that doesn't make him a rapist. And the more you read about the woman in Nevada (told co-workers she was in love with him and wanted "a little Roethlisberger") and the girl in GA (followed him around from bar to bar wearing a "DTF" button and initially told police he didn't assault her and couldn't remember having sex with him), the more it looks like some really bad hookups and not the actions of a predator. Ergo, the proper terminology here is "dolt." Apparently he's engaged now, so I imagine the fear of her going Lorena Bobbit on him will keep him on the straight and narrow.

Troy P. was almost certainly still injured the past few weeks. He usually patrols around the line of scrimmage and wreaks havoc there. But throughout the playoffs they often had him playing in very deep coverage. They were pretty clearly protecting him, IMO. Injuries are the guy's one weakness...he often outhits his body, if that makes sense. Those were two very banged-up teams last night that then had even more injuries during the game. And they want to go to an 18-game season? Crazy.

CT GAMER wrote:I hope someone like him never has the opportunity to be alone with your daughter...

With luck, my daughter won't be putting herself in those situations to begin with.

gorgon wrote:Regarding BR, it's fairly clear he acted like a jerk...however, that doesn't make him a rapist. And the more you read about the woman in Nevada (told co-workers she was in love with him and wanted "a little Roethlisberger") and the girl in GA (followed him around from bar to bar wearing a "DTF" button and initially told police he didn't assault her and couldn't remember having sex with him), the more it looks like some really bad hookups and not the actions of a predator. Ergo, the proper terminology here is "dolt." Apparently he's engaged now, so I imagine the fear of her going Lorena Bobbit on him will keep him on the straight and narrow.

Exactly.

Step 1: Have a mental illness.
Step 2: Have sex with well-known sports figure.
Step 3: ???
Step 4: Profit!

Do I think he's a good person? Not really. Do I think he's on a nationwide raping spree with police protection? Also no. He hooks up with crazy broads (Kobe, listen up) and it gets him into trouble.


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CT GAMER wrote:So are you arguing that he is guilty but stupid policework failed to get him, because stupid policework doesn't make him any less of a predator.

Nope. I'm arguing that the actions of the police weren't based on a conspiracy to keep Rothlesburger out of trouble.

Actually, the Steelers fans were putting the Packers down and are in fact the most arrogant fans in the NFL perhaps. The difference between a Packers fan and a Steelers fan is the fact that Packers fans know the Steelers are a good team but believe the Pack will still win. Talk to a Packers fan about football and they'll talk your ear off. A Steelers fan puts other teams down and gloats about their wins.

Also, why is it that there are jokes about the Steelers' quarterback having a criminal record while there are none for the Packers' quarterback?

Hell, the only decent people you have on your team are Ward and Polamalu, by decent people I don't mean good players I mean nice guys.

Couple that with the fact that the Green Bay Packers are the only non-profit, community owned team says something about the caliber of people we have on our team. The 'G' stands for greatness and we expect greatness from our players and greatness from fellow fans.

Concerning injuries, we didn't have our starter LB in, Zombo is a secondary, we lost almost our entire offensive scorers seeing as though we only had Driver and Rodgers left after the first game. In the Super Bowl we didn't have our starting kicker(Crosby) in until the 4th quarter and we lost Driver, Woodson, and Shields in the first quarter. Despite all this we still managed to beat you with Jones(who can't catch), Jennings(who can't keep the ball), and Nelson(a lesser known receiver). I didn't notice Kuhn playing either and he's our 3rd down conversion maker.

CT GAMER wrote:
Two sexul assault allegations in less then a year and a long standing history of acting like a entitled a-hole make it pretty clear what kind of douche this guy is.

He's young, wealthy, reasonably good looking, famous, and at the top of his sport. In our society that means he gets to be a douche while laughing at all the paupers that refer to him as such.

...

I liked it more when you guys were bagging on the black eyed pees instead of hurling and deflecting unsubstantiated accusations at people who you will never meet and will likely never make a serious impact upon your lives.

As far as the "our fans are better than your fans"... YOU are a fan, and YOU are bagging on the other fans which makes YOU a bad sport. You have no way of demonstrating what all of a teams fans are like, or even the players. So you should probably stop saying that "steeler" or "packer fans put other teams down and gloat" instead you could say "some stealer fans" or "some packer fans" because this is undoubtedly true.

As for me. I really disliked seeing the steeler players trying to force the packer's kick receiver onto the ball so that they could play it. I hate seeing tactics like that where the team tries to force their advantage by manipulating a technicality.

I also disliked seeing said receiver take a swing at the person pushing him. But that was more stupid than malicious, and frankly, I'd probably want to take a swing too.

The worst part of the super bowl? The announcers. Hands down.

Throughout the game, till the last few possesions, there were statements like "Rogers has had a really hard time getting the ball to his receivers" and "Rogers is really off of his game" and so on and so forth.

As SOON as the game was over, all anyone said was "And rogers just went out there and threw a hell of a game" so on and so forth..

halonachos wrote:The half time show was terrible and Slash held his head in shame as that one chick butchered his song.

He always holds his head that way, its his trademark pose.

Lord PoPo wrote:...

I liked it more when you guys were bagging on the black eyed pees instead of hurling and deflecting unsubstantiated accusations at people who you will never meet and will likely never make a serious impact upon your lives.

I like football, and Ben Rothlesburger is a good quarterback.

His future career will impact, in a small way, my life in that I follow the sport that he is a major player in.

rubiksnoob wrote:Worst half time show ever, hands down. I was never a fan of the black eyed peas, but I had no idea they were utterly talentless. Even the effects sucked.

Yea, I actually muted it during their "show" it was just aweful. I figured Fergi was a "studio" singer, but holy hell, that bitch just CANNOT sing.



I have to say though, I havnt watched a super bowl in years, and even though I rooted for the losing teams, it was an AWESOME super bowl. Greebay really played well the whole friggin time.

I don't have a problem with life-long Steelers' fans, I have a problem with the fething bandwagon fans. My best friend has been a Steelers fan as long as I've been a Packers fan, I met up with him today and bought him lunch because my team won.

Next time you guys watch a football game with company tell them to bring $10 dollars in singles. There's a game my uncle taught me at a Brewers' game that I adapted to football games. Here's how it goes down;

Each person puts in one dollar and the host starts with the money in hand. For each first down any team makes the money is passed to the person to the left. When a team gets a touchdown whoever is holding the money gets to keep it, continue until game is over.

If someone is holding the money when the game ends it typically goes back to the host in thanks of letting the guests watch the game.

So, if a team gets two first downs and a touchdown in a drive the money has passed hands two times and the person with it gets the money.

Touchdowns gained through interceptions and fumbles also count. First downs due to penalties count, but a repeat of a first down does not count.

Its a fun way to stay interested in the game even if its not that interesting.

Back to the Super Bowl.....


I found the way the team defenses worked out. Rodgers was sacked but had no interceptions or turnovers while Roethlisberger was sacked once and got picked twice. I also find it funny that the sports announcers are criticizing the receivers, saying that the game would've been a landslide victory if they had just caught the ball. While this is true(two dropped passes in the endzone) I don't believe in would'ves simply because the Steelers would've won if Roethlisberger didn't get intercepted. They don't mean a darn thing after the game.

I was almost completely satisfied with the calls, the only one I had issue with was the 'facemask' call. I didnt like the 'incomplete pass' ruling that we challenged, but one of the guys at the party said that the rules were written very vaguely and that a lot of teams have been screwed by that rule change. I was okay with the pass being ruled incomplete after that.


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KingCracker wrote:

rubiksnoob wrote:Worst half time show ever, hands down. I was never a fan of the black eyed peas, but I had no idea they were utterly talentless. Even the effects sucked.

Yea, I actually muted it during their "show" it was just aweful. I figured Fergi was a "studio" singer, but holy hell, that bitch just CANNOT sing.

Poor Slash had to endure that thing ruining his song AND rubbing up against him. The Black Eyed Peas' lead singer snuck in a line about Obama that wasn't rehearsed, I heard the line but thought it was part of the song.

In other news, Pittsburgh did beat West Virginia in Men's Basketball and Milwaukee did beat Green Bay in men's basketball.

The game was lost Because the Steelers QB kept forcing the balls up the middle. The Packers Defense held like a chastity belt around their end zone. The steeler qb couldn't score so tried to force his way in.

sexiest_hero wrote:The game was lost Because the Steelers QB kept forcing the balls up the middle. The Packers Defense held like a chastity belt around their end zone. The steeler qb couldn't score so tried to force his way in.

I didn't see anyone point this out (forgive me if they did) but I believe GB is the second 6th seed to win the super bowl. Weren't the steelers one last time they did it? Perhaps GB is the first from the NFC, I'm not sure...

RiTides wrote:I didn't see anyone point this out (forgive me if they did) but I believe GB is the second 6th seed to win the super bowl. Weren't the steelers one last time they did it? Perhaps GB is the first from the NFC, I'm not sure...

Yeah, I misquoted what I heard. Packers are first 6th seed in the NFC to win the Super Bowl, which has a hint of irony seeing as though the Steelers were the first 6th seed to win the Super Bowl in the AFC.

Monster Rain wrote:

Lord PoPo wrote:...

I liked it more when you guys were bagging on the black eyed pees instead of hurling and deflecting unsubstantiated accusations at people who you will never meet and will likely never make a serious impact upon your lives.

I like football, and Ben Rothlesburger is a good quarterback.

His future career will impact, in a small way, my life in that I follow the sport that he is a major player in.

He has 3 TDs and 5 picks in 3 Superbowls. He has the record for worst QB rating by a Super Bowl winning QB (in 2005). Ben gets carried by his defense and running backs.

The number of TDs to INTs is misleading, as it doesn't factor in rushing touchdowns.

You're also telling me that football is a team sport?

I'll alert the press.

Monster Rain wrote:The number of TDs to INTs is misleading, as it doesn't factor in rushing touchdowns.

You're also telling me that football is a team sport?

I'll alert the press.

You said he was a good QB. He's not. He's slightly above average and tends to be overrated.

Yeah, he is a good QB. He won a Superbowl 2 years ago, and was just in another one.

If you're saying that this is the case in spite of having Rothlesburger as the QB you're really reaching. 10 quarterbacks in NFL history have won 2 or more superbowls. BR is one of them.

He's certainly no Tom Brady.

Now that Brady kid is someone I can cheer on when I'm not cheering on the Packers, I like his skills and his ethics off of the field.

/facepalm

Just because QB is the most visible position doesn't mean that having an incredible or even good QB is necessary to win a Super Bowl.

The Steelers won their first Superbowl with Ben despite him. He played terrible. That first one is questionable to begin with because of the notoriously poor officiating. That win hardly establishes Ben as an elite QB.

In their next Superbowl he had a decent game, but aside from the final drive he didn't do anything notable. The big difference in that game was Kurt Warner's pick 6.

In this year's game he played poorly and only managed to move the ball after the Packers suffered key injuries in their secondary.

In his three Superbowl appearances

9/21 123 yards 0 TDs 2 Int 1 rushing TD
21/30 256 yards 1 TD 1 Int
25/40 263 yards 2 TD 2 Int

Total:
55/91 642 yards 3 TDs 5 picks, 1 Rushing TD, 69.9 QB Rating

Yeah, the Steelers have won two Super Bowls despite his poor play.

Count the rings, baby.

There's 19 games in a Superbowl winning season.


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Amaya wrote:In their next Superbowl he had a decent game, but aside from the final drive he didn't do anything notable.

What do you mean, "aside from?" It was integral to the Steelers' win, you can't just discount it to make a point.

Monster Rain wrote:Count the rings, baby.

There's 19 games in a Superbowl winning season.

Or in this case 20.

Monster Rain wrote:Count the rings, baby.

There's 19 games in a Superbowl winning season.


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Amaya wrote:In their next Superbowl he had a decent game, but aside from the final drive he didn't do anything notable.

What do you mean, "aside from?" It was integral to the Steelers' win, you can't just discount it to make a point.

You're either trolling or you're one of those fools who honestly thinks that SB rings define a QB. Trent Dilfer has a ring and Dan Marino has none, who is better? Heck, Peyton Manning only has one ring and Big Ben has two, who is better?


Let's recap.

Ben nearly costs his team a Super Bowl victory with his horrendous passing. The Steelers defense, 180 rushing yards, and poor officiating get them the win.

Ben has one solid drive at the end of the game to salvage a victory in a game that the Steelers had led 20-7 at one point.

Ben costs his team a Super Bowl by throwing another two interceptions.

He is easily the worst QB to win two Super Bowls.

Amaya wrote:He is easily the worst QB to win two Super Bowls.

That's fine. I'm okay with that.

And yes, the number of Superbowls is a pretty good benchmark for the quality of a QB. You think Marino is happy, in his heart of hearts, sitting there with no rings?

lmao, by that logic Ben is a top 10 all time QB. He's barely one of the 10 best QBs in the league right now.

When people look at who the best QBs are, the number of Superbowl wins is a pretty big factor. It's just a fact.

It's why Tom Brady is, now and forever, Peyton Manning's daddy.

Amaya wrote:
Total:
55/91 642 yards 3 TDs 5 picks, 1 Rushing TD, 69.9 QB Rating

Yeah, the Steelers have won two Super Bowls despite his poor play.

John Elway's average passer rating across all Super Bowl appearances is 70.04.

No one is going to argue that Elway wasn't good.

Monster Rain wrote:When people look at who the best QBs are, the number of Superbowl wins is a pretty big factor. It's just a fact.

It's why Tom Brady is, now and forever, Peyton Manning's daddy.

You think that would be Roethlisberger with all that alleged raping he does...

That would be a half-time show worth watching!

Amaya wrote:lmao, by that logic Ben is a top 10 all time QB. He's barely one of the 10 best QBs in the league right now.

Really?

Brady, the elder Manning, Rodgers, Brees, maybe Rivers and the younger Manning...not really anyone else on that list. At worst he is number 7, and probably more like number 5, behind two definite Hall of Fame guys, and a possible third.

Bradford and Smith could move on to the list later, but we don't really know yet.

Monster Rain wrote:That would be a half-time show worth watching!

Roethlisberger's Twitter:

Alright, halftime, starting a comeback.
...
Saw a cute girl in the stands, Polamalu told me not to, but I might go up the middle if you get my drift.
...
Fething security cameras.

Monster Rain wrote:When people look at who the best QBs are, the number of Superbowl wins is a pretty big factor. It's just a fact.

It's why Tom Brady is, now and forever, Peyton Manning's daddy.

I'm sure Tom Brady's record breaking seasons and inability to throw interceptions has nothing to do with that. Brady has never thrown more than 14 picks in a season. Manning has thrown 15+ picks 8 times. Brady has been more consistent and slightly outplayed Manning in the regular season.

Are you saying that Tom Brady can prevent interceptions? If so I think that you're implying he has jedi powers and if that's true he's cheating.

Although I think the Steelers cheat by rubbing balloons in Polamalu's hair.

Amaya wrote:Let's recap.

Ben nearly costs his team a Super Bowl victory with his horrendous passing. The Steelers defense, 180 rushing yards, and poor officiating get them the win.

The Steelers only made 21 passing attempts because they were a run-first offense at the time; which makes sense when you have Jerome Bettis and Willie Parker.

Also, Roethlisberger ran for a touchdown.

Amaya wrote:
Ben has one solid drive at the end of the game to salvage a victory in a game that the Steelers had led 20-7 at one point.

21/30 for 256 yards, a touchdown, and an interception is a good game.

Amaya wrote:
Ben costs his team a Super Bowl by throwing another two interceptions.

The second interception wasn't his fault. He had to throw the ball to avoid a safety, and his O-line failed to block a bull rush, which is just bad play at any level.

dogma wrote:

Amaya wrote:
Total:
55/91 642 yards 3 TDs 5 picks, 1 Rushing TD, 69.9 QB Rating

Yeah, the Steelers have won two Super Bowls despite his poor play.

John Elway's average passer rating across all Super Bowl appearances is 70.04.

No one is going to argue that Elway wasn't good.

Elway was good and deserves to be HoF. But he is nowhere near being on the of greatest QBs to ever play the game. Montana, Young, Bradshaw (mainly because of his SB play), Starr (also because of his SB play), Aikman, Brady, and P Manning are all better and there's probably a few more times you can add to that list.

dogma wrote:

Amaya wrote:lmao, by that logic Ben is a top 10 all time QB. He's barely one of the 10 best QBs in the league right now.

Really?

Brady, the elder Manning, Rodgers, Brees, maybe Rivers and the younger Manning...not really anyone else on that list. At worst he is number 7, and probably more like number 5, behind two definite Hall of Fame guys, and a possible third.

Bradford and Smith could move on to the list later, but we don't really know yet.

1. Brady (possibly the GOAT QB)
2. Rodgers (he's actually mobile unlike the other top 3)
3. P. Manning
4. Brees
5. Vick (He was on pace for a 4000 yard passing 1000 yard rushing season had he played all 16 games, 30 total TDs to 9 TOs is pretty good)
6. Rivers
7-10 is a mix. There's easily half a dozen QBs who could be in there.

The top 3 are really the stand out QBs, the next 3 are knocking on the door, and there's about another 10 QBs that are decent in the league. Ben has good years and then he goes and has terrible years. He's had two very good years, two terrible years, and 3 solid years that weren't really noteworthy.


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halonachos wrote:Are you saying that Tom Brady can prevent interceptions? If so I think that you're implying he has jedi powers and if that's true he's cheating.

Although I think the Steelers cheat by rubbing balloons in Polamalu's hair.

Tom Brady's last 3 full seasons: 114 TDs, 25 Ints. Absurd numbers.

Less about Roethlisberger more about this guy:



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So Tom Brady doesn't have jedi powers?

halonachos wrote:Less about Roethlisberger more about this guy:



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So Tom Brady doesn't have jedi powers?

If Rodgers stays healthy and keeps doing what he is doing (or gets better), he'll be a potential GOAT QB. I'm surprised no one talks much about his athleticism, he's the best QB at scrambling not named Vick.

Edit: If a QBs greatness is determined by their Super Bowl wins, I propose that Super Bowl MVP awards are even more important.

Amaya wrote:
Elway was good and deserves to be HoF. But he is nowhere near being on the of greatest QBs to ever play the game. Montana, Young, Bradshaw (mainly because of his SB play), Starr (also because of his SB play), Aikman, Brady, and P Manning are all better and there's probably a few more times you can add to that list.

You realize that you're basically saying that a guy that has maybe 10-15 betters is not among the greatest players at his position?

Amaya wrote:
1. Brady (possibly the GOAT QB)
2. Rodgers (he's actually mobile unlike the other top 3)
3. P. Manning
4. Brees
5. Vick (He was on pace for a 4000 yard passing 1000 yard rushing season had he played all 16 games, 30 total TDs to 9 TOs is pretty good)
6. Rivers
7-10 is a mix. There's easily half a dozen QBs who could be in there.

Rodgers better than Peyton? Really? I mean, he's good, no doubt, but he's not better than a guy that's been consistently amazing for 13 years.

I also don't see the Vick being on the list at all. We're talking about a guy whose career average passer rating is 76.3. Compare this to Big Ben at 93.4, and a career in which his completion % has never dipped below 50; something that Vick has accomplished twice.

Amaya wrote:
The top 3 are really the stand out QBs, the next 3 are knocking on the door, and there's about another 10 QBs that are decent in the league. Ben has good years and then he goes and has terrible years. He's had two very good years, two terrible years, and 3 solid years that weren't really noteworthy.

Well, yeah, you would guess that players starting at the professional level are probably pretty good at what they do, so the estimate that 20 of the 32 starters in the league are good is probably a little on the low side.


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Amaya wrote:I'm surprised no one talks much about his athleticism, he's the best QB at scrambling not named Vick.

They talk about that basically every time he plays.

dogma wrote:

Amaya wrote:
Elway was good and deserves to be HoF. But he is nowhere near being on the of greatest QBs to ever play the game. Montana, Young, Bradshaw (mainly because of his SB play), Starr (also because of his SB play), Aikman, Brady, and P Manning are all better and there's probably a few more times you can add to that list.

You realize that you're basically saying that a guy that has maybe 10-15 betters is not among the greatest players at his position?

Amaya wrote:
1. Brady (possibly the GOAT QB)
2. Rodgers (he's actually mobile unlike the other top 3)
3. P. Manning
4. Brees
5. Vick (He was on pace for a 4000 yard passing 1000 yard rushing season had he played all 16 games, 30 total TDs to 9 TOs is pretty good)
6. Rivers
7-10 is a mix. There's easily half a dozen QBs who could be in there.

Rodgers better than Peyton? Really? I mean, he's good, no doubt, but he's not better than a guy that's been consistently amazing for 13 years.

I also don't see the Vick being on the list at all. We're talking about a guy whose career average passer rating is 76.3. Compare this to Big Ben at 93.4, and a career in which his completion % has never dipped below 50; something that Vick has accomplished twice.

Amaya wrote:
The top 3 are really the stand out QBs, the next 3 are knocking on the door, and there's about another 10 QBs that are decent in the league. Ben has good years and then he goes and has terrible years. He's had two very good years, two terrible years, and 3 solid years that weren't really noteworthy.

Well, yeah, you would guess that players starting at the professional level are probably pretty good at what they do, so the estimate that 20 of the 32 starters in the league are good is probably a little on the low side.

Didn't I just say that Elway is good and deserves to be a HoF? Yes, he's one of the best QBs ever, but he's nowhere near the guys I mentioned.

Vick has never been prone to throwing interceptions like Ben and he is easily the most mobile QB to ever play the game. As a complete player, his last three full seasons have been good and this last year was amazing.

You use Ben's QB rating to justify him being better than Vick and you ignore that Rodgers has the best QB rating for both the regular and postseason? Over the last three years he's played better than Manning, he's never turned the ball over frequently, he can actually scramble for significant yardage, and appears to be getting better while Manning is in a decline. The only reason he's not the top QB in the league right now is because Brady has been playing out of his mind.

Vick vs Ben

651/1147 7904 56 TD 32 Int 325 ATT 2312 YDs 17 TDs 11 FL 10216 yards 73 TDs 43 TOs
vs
864/1364 10829 60 TD 32 Int 108 ATT 359 YDs 6 TDs 13 FL 11188 yards 66 TDs 45 TOs

Vick has a slight edge to begin with and this last year just widened the gap.

Amaya wrote:
Didn't I just say that Elway is good and deserves to be a HoF? Yes, he's one of the best QBs ever, but he's nowhere near the guys I mentioned.

You also said that he wasn't one of greatest QBs ever.

Amaya wrote:
Vick has never been prone to throwing interceptions like Ben and he is easily the most mobile QB to ever play the game. As a complete player, his last three full seasons have been good and this last year was amazing.

Prone? Roethlisberger has thrown fewer interceptions per anum than most quarterbacks in the NFL.

But either way, Ben threw 23 interceptions in 2006. He also threw for 3,513 yards. Compare Vick at his worst, 13 picks with 2474 yards, and we can do some interesting statisticiary.

Ben = 152.7 yards per pick

Vick = 190.3 yards per pick

Vick clearly throws fewer picks per yard, but he also has never produced yardage on par with 'berger. It would be interesting to see how the number of interceptions relate to the amount of yards thrown for, but I don't really want to do that analysis right now.

Also, who cares about his ability as a complete player? He is a quarterback, at which he is either good or bad. If we're talking about complete player ability we really can only talk about multiple position professionals, or guys that converted after college; so Randle El, Deion Sanders, etc.

Amaya wrote:
You use Ben's QB rating to justify him being better than Vick and you ignore that Rodgers has the best QB rating for both the regular and postseason? Over the last three years he's played better than Manning, he's never turned the ball over frequently, he can actually scramble for significant yardage, and appears to be getting better while Manning is in a decline. The only reason he's not the top QB in the league right now is because Brady has been playing out of his mind.

Yes, I did, because Rodgers has only played for 3 years, and has both a great O-line and receiving corps.

And this last season Vick passed better than Ben and ran better than him. Over his career Vick has been an average pass and excellent scrambler. Ben has been a slightly above average QB and an average scrambler.

Edit: Great O-Line? Since when? Driver and Jennings are the only great recievers on the Packers. Jones and Nelson drop way too many passes. Finley is a good receiving tight end, but he was out all of this season.

Amaya wrote:And this last season Vick passed better than Ben and ran better than him. Over his career Vick has been an average pass and excellent scrambler. Ben has been a slightly above average QB and an average scrambler.

Uh, no. Vick has been a below average passer all but 2 years in which he has played. Consult this table, variable Q is passer rating.

Ben has the 8th highest career passer rating in history, and has not been below the league average except for 2006 over a career of the an identical length; in fact he has been above the average by at least 1 standard deviation every year except for 2006.

Amaya wrote:
Edit: Great O-Line? Since when? Driver and Jennings are the only great recievers on the Packers. Jones and Nelson drop way too many passes. Finley is a good receiving tight end, but he was out all of this season.

Since they've had Tauscher, Clifton, and Wells? Since they've had among the fewest sacks allowed per pass every year for 7 years except 2009?

As for receivers: seriously? All 4 Green Bay receivers were top 10 in yardage this post-season, and top 75 during the regular season (Driver was the worst, by the way).

I'm a Packer fan I won't say that Rodgers is better than P. Manning, yet. He has a lot of time to work on becoming as great though and I don't think anyone can say that he isn't on the right road.

As far as Driver being the worst its most likely due to the fact that Rodgers likes to spread the love around when it comes to passes. Driver is the most reliable receiver we have right now so hes going to be a target so he goes for the others and to tell the truth I was surprised with Nelson.

dogma wrote:

Amaya wrote:And this last season Vick passed better than Ben and ran better than him. Over his career Vick has been an average pass and excellent scrambler. Ben has been a slightly above average QB and an average scrambler.

Uh, no. Vick has been a below average passer all but 2 years in which he has played. Consult this table, variable Q is passer rating.

Ben has the 8th highest career passer rating in history, and has not been below the league average except for 2006 over a career of the an identical length; in fact he has been above the average by at least 1 standard deviation every year except for 2006.

Amaya wrote:
Edit: Great O-Line? Since when? Driver and Jennings are the only great recievers on the Packers. Jones and Nelson drop way too many passes. Finley is a good receiving tight end, but he was out all of this season.

Since they've had Tauscher, Clifton, and Wells? Since they've had among the fewest sacks allowed per pass every year for 7 years except 2009?

As for receivers: seriously? All 4 Green Bay receivers were top 10 in yardage this post-season, and top 75 during the regular season (Driver was the worst, by the way).

They were 19th in the league in sacks allowed...

Of course they were up there in postseason yardage...they're the only team that played 4 games in the postseason...

Big whoop they had 4 recievers in the top 75. That's not really notable when you consider the fact that at least 10 teams in the NFL have terrible passing offenses...

Driver dropped 7 passes, Jones dropped 6 (including two would be TDs), I can't find stats on the rest of their drops. Nelson dropped 4-5 passes in the Superbowl. Jones dropped 2 would be TDs in the playoffs. Driver dropped a pass that turned into a pick.

Jennings is good.
Driver is aging and had a bad year.
Jones is overrated.
Nelson number 2 or 3 receiver at best.

Driver dropped a pass that turned into a pick? In the Super Bowl the Packers had no turnovers so unless a pick is no longer a turnover he had no dropped passes that turned into a pick.

I'll really miss Driver when he decides to retire, I grew up with Favre, Driver, Green, White, and Bubba Franks.

halonachos wrote:Also, why is it that there are jokes about the Steelers' quarterback having a criminal record while there are none for the Packers' quarterback?

Hell, the only decent people you have on your team are Ward and Polamalu, by decent people I don't mean good players I mean nice guys.

Couple that with the fact that the Green Bay Packers are the only non-profit, community owned team says something about the caliber of people we have on our team. The 'G' stands for greatness and we expect greatness from our players and greatness from fellow fans.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-packers-assaultallegations

Ahem. No less than seven players were investigated. Hmm. Your team has had its share of scandals...including Mark Chmura, who was accused of doing something far worse.

Let's go around the NFL a little. What about Mark Sanchez, "the Sanchise"?

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2423430

Oops.

Peyton Manning, Mr. Commercial is as clean as they come, right?

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/colts/2003-11-04-manning-suit_x.htm

Oh dear.

Lesson here is that you don't point fingers, because things have a way of coming back around.

Concerning injuries, we didn't have our starter LB in, Zombo is a secondary, we lost almost our entire offensive scorers seeing as though we only had Driver and Rodgers left after the first game. In the Super Bowl we didn't have our starting kicker(Crosby) in until the 4th quarter and we lost Driver, Woodson, and Shields in the first quarter. Despite all this we still managed to beat you with Jones(who can't catch), Jennings(who can't keep the ball), and Nelson(a lesser known receiver). I didn't notice Kuhn playing either and he's our 3rd down conversion maker.

The Steelers started FOUR backup offensive lineman in the SB, FYI. Both teams had plenty of injuries.

Amaya wrote:He has 3 TDs and 5 picks in 3 Superbowls. He has the record for worst QB rating by a Super Bowl winning QB (in 2005). Ben gets carried by his defense and running backs.

Look, the guy might be a jagoff, but if you don't think BR is a terrific player, you simply don't know anything about football. People bring up the first SB...well, he was 23 years old and choked a bit. But he was *lights out* in the 3 games leading up to it. They won those games by throwing the football. I can loan you the DVDs if you're that interested. And that was with a bad thumb that prevented him from getting any velocity on the ball.

In the second SB, he should have been MVP. Bit of a joke that Holmes won it, IMO. And check out their running stats that year. The Steelers couldn't run the ball AT ALL that season. BR was the entire offense. Last year, 4300 yards passing, again with a mediocre to bad running game.

In this one, he wasn't himself. It happens to everyone, including Manning, Brady, etc. Seems to me your boy had a stinker of a game vs. the lowly Lions in December even before he got hurt. BR just picked a bad time to have a bad game. And it still wasn't truly an awful game, considering the first pick wasn't really his fault. The GB lineman just made a play...that happens too and you have to give credit where it's due. The Mendenhall fumble was the TO that did them in. And it was all very ironic considering how good the Steelers were at taking care of the football during the regular season.

And I can guarantee you that NFL coaches think BR is one of the single hardest players in the NFL to prepare for. No one in NFL circles questions the guy's ability. dogma has already outlined his career passer rating, etc. It's fantasy football culture that's led to him being overlooked in favor of empty numbers guys like Philip Rivers, etc. Again, major league jerk, yeah, sure. You can feel free to hate the guy personally. But denying the guy is an elite QB just isn't being in touch with reality.

The case took another twist when investigators announced that the alleged suspect and the women exchanged money before the alleged assault.

At least he payed before hand. In all seriousness I hope the guy gets kicked off the team, we don't need trash like that.


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Chmura was accused on April 8th, 2000 he was released by the Packers in 2000...in fact it says that he only played from 1993 to 1999.

halonachos wrote:Driver dropped a pass that turned into a pick? In the Super Bowl the Packers had no turnovers so unless a pick is no longer a turnover he had no dropped passes that turned into a pick.

I'll really miss Driver when he decides to retire, I grew up with Favre, Driver, Green, White, and Bubba Franks.

It was in the NFC Championship game.


@Gorgon, sigh, let's go over Ben's career AGAIN

2004 - 2621 Yards 17 TDs 11 Ints 1 Rushing TD 2 FL. Efficient passing year, but he didn't pass enough to have that considered a good year.
2005 - 2385 Yards 17 TDs 9 Ints 3 Rushing TDs 1 FL. Efficient year, but missed 4 games.
2006 - 3513 Yards 18 TDs 23 Ints 2 Rushing TDs 2 FL. Terrible year.
2007 - 3154 Yards 32 TDs 11 Ints 2 Rushing TDs 3 FL. His best year yet. Lots of TD passes, yardage is unimpressive.
2008 - 3301 Yards 17 TDs 15 Ints 2 Rushing TDs 7 FL. His second 20+ Turnover season. Another bad year.
2009 - 4328 Yards 26 TDs 12 Ints 2 Rushing TDs 3 FL. His second very good season.
2010 - 3200 Yards 17 TDs 5 Ints 2 Rushing TDs 3 FL. Was on pace for a good season, but missed 4 games. Vick put up better numbers in the same amount of games.

Career Stats
99 GP
22502 Passing Yards
144 TDs
86 Ints
14 Rushing TDs
21 FL

To recap.

He has had two very good seasons.
He has had two awful seasons.
He's had 3 efficient, but low number seasons.

He's had the worst Superbowl performance by a winning QB.
He's had a decent Superbowl capped by a game winning drive.
He's had a Superbowl where he cost his team the game and was unable to move the ball until 3 of GB's starters were off the field due to injuries.

How exactly is he an elite QB?

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I think Big Ben is an elite quarterback due to his inability to be sacked. He's a fat guy who can run over a line backer if need be.

whatwhat wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:

whatwhat wrote:The fact i think your beloved game of american football is boring is completely irelevant and not something I was raising there.

I'm actually suspicious that you popped in the thread being snarky to get around to saying exactly that.

No I was dragged into that by someone else. Does my opinion that american football is boring really matter to you? It is only my opinion.

Surely we can agree the line "the greatest show on earth" is pretentious bs?

The simple act of posting that you feel football is boring in a thread titled "Green Bay defeats Pittsburgh 31-25, Aaron Rodgers wins Super Bowl MVP" is akin to going into a biker bar and saying that motorcycles are lame. For some reason you felt compelled enough to go into a thread about the Super Bowl and say that its boring, I don't know why but I get the feeling that this thread was going to have a lot of people who rather enjoy watching football posting in it. If you like to drink tea don't go to a soda shop.

sexiest_hero wrote:The game was lost Because the Steelers QB kept forcing the balls up the middle. The Packers Defense held like a chastity belt around their end zone. The steeler qb couldn't score so tried to force his way in.

Pure genius.

@Halonachos, WhatWhat, whoever else: Please knock it off. It's long past tiresome. Thanks!

This just seemed appropriate.

Amaya wrote:
They were 19th in the league in sacks allowed...

And had major issues with injuries. Just look at their statistics over the last 7 years, not many teams have been consistently better in that area.

Amaya wrote:
Of course they were up there in postseason yardage...they're the only team that played 4 games in the postseason...

They weren't up there, they were all top 10. That's not just up there, even with an extra game to their name that is amazing; usually you would expect to see the extra outing significantly improve the numbers for only one or two guys at the position, not all 4.

Amaya wrote:
Big whoop they had 4 recievers in the top 75. That's not really notable when you consider the fact that at least 10 teams in the NFL have terrible passing offenses...

No, its very notable when you don't just look at 75 and thing "big number", but instead think about what that means in the proper context. Remember, the top 32 receivers are all number 1 options on their teams. Usually the next 32 are the number 2 options, and the following 32 will be a mix of number 3 and four options. This totals 96 players. For a team to have 4 players in the top 75 is very rare, and indicates that all of their rceivers are very good.

Amaya wrote:
Driver dropped 7 passes, Jones dropped 6 (including two would be TDs), I can't find stats on the rest of their drops. Nelson dropped 4-5 passes in the Superbowl. Jones dropped 2 would be TDs in the playoffs. Driver dropped a pass that turned into a pick.

No, those stats have to be wrong. Simply because a receiver touches a ball, but fails to catch it does not render it a drop. In order to count as a drop the receiver had to have a reasonable chance of catching the ball, which means the ball had to be within reach with his arms at full extension, and could not have been touched by a defender.

Remember, in 16 games the highest number of drops this year was Edwards with 16. You're basically claiming that a guy who played only one half in the super bowl (.5 of a game) nearly reached half of the total for the guy with the most drops in the NFL over an entire season.

Amaya wrote:
Jennings is good.
Driver is aging and had a bad year.
Jones is overrated.
Nelson number 2 or 3 receiver at best.

You know that being a number 1, 2, or 3 receiver has very little to do with the skill of the player, right?

Its about their talents, and how they fit into the offensive scheme. Nelson would be a very good number 1 or 2 due to being tall, and fairly fast with decent size (often times 2s will simply be a less talented natural 1). Driver is good fit at 2 due to being slower, and older than the other receivers; those guys don't do well at slot (3, where he played in the super bowl) because they can't get to their spot in time for throw; especially when jammed. Jennings is an ideal 1 or 3 due to his small size and great speed. Jones is effectively Drivers' replacement, and would likely do better than him at any of the positions he would be asked to play; though he should be primarily a 2 or a 3 (bg enough to muscle through backside jams, and fast enough to find his sport on short crossing saftey routes).

Amaya wrote: How exactly is he an elite QB?

You play fantasy football, right? Come on, admit it. You think Phillip Rivers is amazing, right?

You say BR had a bad year the year he won the SB. Behind a terrible offensive line and the league's 28th(?) ranked rushing offense. He carried that offense. But fantasy football types will look at yardage totals (yardage!!!) and criticize. I guess Dan Fouts was better than Joe Montana in your world.

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Monster Rain wrote:

This just seemed appropriate.

Replace "local hero" with "roid freak" and you might have something there.

@Dogma. Green Bay has given up 110 sacks over 3 years. They are not good.

You obviously didn't watch the Super Bowl since you have no recollection of Nelson's drop fest and Jones' dropped TD.

@Gorgon. Do you read posts before you reply? Ben has been poor in the Super Bowl. His 'great comeback drive' was only successful because Holmes made an incredible catch. Ben has had only two stand out seasons.

Only 1 4000+ yard season.
Only 1 30+ TD season.
Only 2 seasons with 3500+ yards passing.
Only 2 seasons with 20+ passing TDs.
Only 3 Seasons with 20 TOTAL TDs.
Two Seasons with 20+ turnovers.


If Rivers had the Steeler's D he'd be winning Super Bowls too.

Amaya wrote:@Dogma. Green Bay has given up 110 sacks over 3 years. They are not good.

Its actually 134, seeing as that number favors your argument more, I'm surprised that you got it wrong. Either way, when you consider the entire career of the key components of this O-line, the number rise to 233, nut the average drops from 44.6, to 33.3. You know where the number of sacks starts to go up significantly? When Rodgers took over as quarterback. All scrambling quarterbacks take more sacks than pocket passers with good O-lines, largely because they tend to put blockers in terrible positions.

Amaya wrote:
You obviously didn't watch the Super Bowl since you have no recollection of Nelson's drop fest and Jones' dropped TD.

I did watch it, but I'll just say that there is no reason to trust your judgment here, as you've already attributed 7 drops to one player in a single half; which is just absurd.

Nelson had 1 drop that game, and while Jones did drop a TD, it really doesn't bear on his quality. Randy Moss has dropped TD passes, but that doesn't make him a bad receiver. It just makes overly emotional fans feel that way about him.

Amaya wrote:




Driver dropped 7 passes, Jones dropped 6 (including two would be TDs), I can't find stats on the rest of their drops. Nelson dropped 4-5 passes in the Superbowl. Jones dropped 2 would be TDs in the playoffs. Driver dropped a pass that turned into a pick.

@Dogma - /facepalm I even specified that Nelson's drops were in the Super Bowl. Where did I suggest that Driver dropped 7 passes in the Super Bowl?