I am going too copy and paste what was said in previous topic, since it was locked (even though there was a hefty discussion about fish people in the thread and I didnt want too start a new one) anyway

I recently talked with a gw(I know not reliable but keep reading) staff over the phone about the SEA CREATURES RULES all I asked was

"are there any models that use this rule"

all I got as a reply was

"as of yet none"

then I asked

"any models planned"

he said

"Cant tell you" then he said "but keep a watch out, very soon" he gave a nice laugh over the phone and I said goodbye.


say what you will but I think its going too be a sea creature army of sorts - OR - a race is getting and update and getting a few sea creature models (maybe dark elves)

the reason I say its going too be an new army is because it doesn't make sense too release a rule for a single monster unless all armies are getting some kind of sea creature.


non the less keep a big lookout for these SEA CREATURES

Why be on the lookout for them, when they've already been introduced at least once before?

Storm of Chaos had the "Merwyrm", wherein they were a Monstrous Creature that had the Aquatic rule and let them ignore deep water--even becoming normal sized targets when submerged.

If anyone uses sea creatures I'd expect it to be Elves more likely to be Dark Elves at that.

Kanluwen wrote:Why be on the lookout for them, when they've already been introduced at least once before?

Storm of Chaos had the "Merwyrm", wherein they were a Monstrous Creature that had the Aquatic rule and let them ignore deep water--even becoming normal sized targets when submerged.

merwyrm had no models and I think storm of chaos was in 2004 so the rule for SEA creatures didn't even exist then, maybe rules made for the merwyrm specifically but not in the main rulebook - its kinda silly too include a rule (in 2010) for a creature that came out in 2004 has no models and was specifically made a for storm of chaos


I have this sick feeling in my stomach that GW are making a release for a new army (fish/sea army) and trying too release it during the pirates Caribbean craze (new movie out this year) - a pirate sea creature army

Pirates are always cool
sea race hasn't been done before
2011 perfect release time in sync with POTC movie

this annoys me because they are simply trying to make money

Hm, pirates? oh oh... I hope the models dont look awesome... =D

Fishmen! Finally the rise of the gilled ones!

yevix wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Why be on the lookout for them, when they've already been introduced at least once before?

Storm of Chaos had the "Merwyrm", wherein they were a Monstrous Creature that had the Aquatic rule and let them ignore deep water--even becoming normal sized targets when submerged.

merwyrm had no models and I think storm of chaos was in 2004 so the rule for SEA creatures didn't even exist then, maybe rules made for the merwyrm specifically but not in the main rulebook - its kinda silly too include a rule (in 2010) for a creature that came out in 2004 has no models and was specifically made a for storm of chaos


I have this sick feeling in my stomach that GW are making a release for a new army (fish/sea army) and trying too release it during the pirates Caribbean craze (new movie out this year) - a pirate sea creature army

Pirates are always cool
sea race hasn't been done before
2011 perfect release time in sync with POTC movie

this annoys me because they are simply trying to make money

You realize it takes a lot more than a year to do a release, right?

Plus: a "pirate sea creature army" already exists.

It's called Corsair heavy Dark Elves with Hydras.

Maybe he was refering to the gobbo spider (since it looks a bit like a crab).

The presence of the sea creatures rule in 8th is odd not just because there aren't any current units that can use it, but also because it would necessitate a large body of water on the battlefield. Any aquatic race that GW release will have to have some form of rule regarding battlefied set up. In much the same way that WE get a free wood, maybe this new race would get a free lake or free coastline.

Didn't they FAQ out the Wood Elves getting a free wood, and just make it so that the Wood Elves can pick exactly what type of wood a specific piece is?

Really? Dunno. RTides?

I just looked, and I think I crossed wires with a wishlisted part from elsewhere.

Change the second sentence to “In Pitched Battles, just after
the roll for deployment zones, but before any units have been
deployed, the Wood Elf player can place an extra wood (no
larger than 6" in diameter) anywhere in his deployment zone.”

Wasn't there a thread about a big announcement for Fantasy supposed to be dropping this summer too?

Kanluwen wrote:

yevix wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Why be on the lookout for them, when they've already been introduced at least once before?

Storm of Chaos had the "Merwyrm", wherein they were a Monstrous Creature that had the Aquatic rule and let them ignore deep water--even becoming normal sized targets when submerged.

merwyrm had no models and I think storm of chaos was in 2004 so the rule for SEA creatures didn't even exist then, maybe rules made for the merwyrm specifically but not in the main rulebook - its kinda silly too include a rule (in 2010) for a creature that came out in 2004 has no models and was specifically made a for storm of chaos


I have this sick feeling in my stomach that GW are making a release for a new army (fish/sea army) and trying too release it during the pirates Caribbean craze (new movie out this year) - a pirate sea creature army

Pirates are always cool
sea race hasn't been done before
2011 perfect release time in sync with POTC movie

this annoys me because they are simply trying to make money

You realize it takes a lot more than a year to do a release, right?

Plus: a "pirate sea creature army" already exists.

It's called Corsair heavy Dark Elves with Hydras.

I don't think I ever said it only takes a year? or even mentioned that fact, also dark elves corsair army with hydras inst exactly underwater sea creature army is it....name 1 unit in dark elves corsair list that uses the SEA CREATURE rule in warhammer fantasy rulebook


look all I know is that there is a rule about sea creatures and NO ONE uses it there is not even a single unit that would fit into that rules description, for me it seems silly and a waste UNLESS either they plan to release sea creatures or something else ...

think what you will of it



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epy346 wrote:Wasn't there a thread about a big announcement for Fantasy supposed to be dropping this summer too?

yar and they even said its something we wont be expecting

yevix wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

yevix wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Why be on the lookout for them, when they've already been introduced at least once before?

Storm of Chaos had the "Merwyrm", wherein they were a Monstrous Creature that had the Aquatic rule and let them ignore deep water--even becoming normal sized targets when submerged.

merwyrm had no models and I think storm of chaos was in 2004 so the rule for SEA creatures didn't even exist then, maybe rules made for the merwyrm specifically but not in the main rulebook - its kinda silly too include a rule (in 2010) for a creature that came out in 2004 has no models and was specifically made a for storm of chaos


I have this sick feeling in my stomach that GW are making a release for a new army (fish/sea army) and trying too release it during the pirates Caribbean craze (new movie out this year) - a pirate sea creature army

Pirates are always cool
sea race hasn't been done before
2011 perfect release time in sync with POTC movie

this annoys me because they are simply trying to make money

You realize it takes a lot more than a year to do a release, right?

Plus: a "pirate sea creature army" already exists.

It's called Corsair heavy Dark Elves with Hydras.

I don't think I ever said it only takes a year? or even mentioned that fact, also dark elves corsair army with hydras inst exactly underwater sea creature army is it....name 1 unit in dark elves corsair list that uses the SEA CREATURE rule in warhammer fantasy rulebook

To have timed it for release this summer with the Pirates of the Caribbean movie, they would have been working on it for roughly a year.

It takes at least three years for models alone to be done for an army that has no supporting range previously.

look all I know is that there is a rule about sea creatures and NO ONE uses it there is not even a single unit that would fit into that rules description, for me it seems silly and a waste UNLESS either they plan to release sea creatures or something else ...

Or they could just be doing it so that players can make their own critters and have a framework to go from.

think what you will of it

Think that you're way offbase and reading waaaay too much into a vague comment?
Sure.

I mean, look at how the fake psychics on TV work. They make the most vague, nonspecific comments they can. And if something turns out right--they hop up and down pointing at it.
Let's not have rumors for gaming starting to act like that, can we?

Sounds like the phone rep was just having a bit of a jest at your expense.

It takes at least three years for models alone to be done for an army that has no supporting range previously.

firstly ask yourself, when did they start making the 8th edition rules,

it was released in 2010 , so it must have began (being made) in at least 2009 or even 2008 and since the 8th includes sea creature rules they must have started thinking about sea creatures around the same time so they could have started making it a long time ago

and making it release during the movie isnt silly, since it makes perfect sense too capitalise on a movies success - the info on the new movie came out in 2010 so they could have said "hey its perfect too release this thing we have been working on since we began making 8th edition"

Or they could just be doing it so that players can make their own critters and have a framework to go from.

really? have they ever released a rule in the main rulebook that can only be used in friendly games (since custom made units aren't allowed in tourneys) unless you are saying I can make a sea creature and use him in a tournament and claim its allowed because rulebook allows it.

wouldn't it simply make sense too release a white dwarf article on sea creatures. no they felt it was necessary for the MAIN RULEBOOK too have sea creature rules..

I may be reading too much into it but I never said its going too be a race (I think it might be) it could simply be a special unit being made for every army etc






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SkaerKrow wrote:Sounds like the phone rep was just having a bit of a jest at your expense.

oh come on its not like I asked him any new race or unit is coming out all I asked was what unit I can use with those rules, since he said none I assumed some are in the making, him telling me that he cant tell me anything sorta suggests SOMETHING at least is in the making process

It would be cool to have a fish-man army (like Sahuagin), and it would be enough to get me to collect fantasy, but I don't see it happening. They are definitely NOT trying to cash in on PotC.

Klawz wrote:It would be cool to have a fish-man army (like Sahuagin), and it would be enough to get me to collect fantasy, but I don't see it happening.

Land Shark!

Land shark?



Land shark.

yevix wrote:

It takes at least three years for models alone to be done for an army that has no supporting range previously.

firstly ask yourself, when did they start making the 8th edition rules,

it was released in 2010 , so it must have began (being made) in at least 2009 or even 2008 and since the 8th includes sea creature rules they must have started thinking about sea creatures around the same time so they could have started making it a long time ago

and making it release during the movie isnt silly, since it makes perfect sense too capitalise on a movies success - the info on the new movie came out in 2010 so they could have said "hey its perfect too release this thing we have been working on since we began making 8th edition"

You seriously need to rethink your arguments if all you have to go on is "OMG PIRATES THIS SUMMER! SEA CREATURE RULE! MUST BE LINK!". You're trying to force a square peg into a round hole, and it will only end badly.

If they were making it for a single army, then the rule would have actually been in that specific army book. The fact that it's in the main rulebook means they're just covering their bases for the future.

And, really...
You think the Pirates of the Caribbean(which is pretty much the female "Oooh Johnny Depp!" crowd) fanbase are scouring the Internet looking for 28mm pirates?

Or they could just be doing it so that players can make their own critters and have a framework to go from.

really? have they ever released a rule in the main rulebook that can only be used in friendly games (since custom made units aren't allowed in tourneys) unless you are saying I can make a sea creature and use him in a tournament and claim its allowed because rulebook allows it.

You do realize the main rulebook also contains stuff that is geared towards campaign play or massive multi-army battles yeah?

Or are you playing in tournaments that do that kind of stuff?

wouldn't it simply make sense too release a white dwarf article on sea creatures. no they felt it was necessary for the MAIN RULEBOOK too have sea creature rules..

I may be reading too much into it but I never said its going too be a race (I think it might be) it could simply be a special unit being made for every army etc

You're definitely reading way, way too much into it. They put "generic" special rules into the main rulebook. Not army specific.

Also:...the Merwyrm!

SHOCKING!

SkaerKrow wrote:Sounds like the phone rep was just having a bit of a jest at your expense.

oh come on its not like I asked him any new race or unit is coming out all I asked was what unit I can use with those rules, since he said none I assumed some are in the making, him telling me that he cant tell me anything sorta suggests SOMETHING at least is in the making process

Yes, because GW staff are well-known for spilling the beans...

Oh wait. They're not. They're too bloody terrified of being fired for accidentally spoiling potential releases.

The Dreadnote wrote:Land shark?

Candy gram

I think the idea was clearly in their minds when they did 8th. There is an aquatic race that plagues Dark Elf Corsairs that referred to in the timeline and has also been mentioned in previous DE books.

This is not to say it will happen, but I believe they are mulling it over (or have mulled it over and moved onto something else).

Kanluwen wrote:If they were making it for a single army, then the rule would have actually been in that specific army book. The fact that it's in the main rulebook means they're just covering their bases for the future.

Kanluwen wrote:You do realize the main rulebook also contains stuff that is geared towards campaign play or massive multi-army battles yeah?

Along these lines, I've heard some rumors that there's a possibility of a summer WHFB campaign. Could be that the aquatic rules will tie in to this. But my sources also tell me that there are no new Fantasy army factions in the immediate future.

Some lizardmen are aquatic and can swim in water with no penalty. I can see them maybe getting a deep swamp dwelling creature, but then again if you look at army books you can no longer really field monsters anymore. Instead you can oly for the most part use them as mounts. Where as back in the day you could actually just field the monster itself. I think the rules are just there for now as if you wanted to add them in a custom campaign or custom game.

I really want a Samurai, Ninja, Shaolin Monk army super bad. I want them to bring on the Nippon and Cathay on board. I want crazed unarmed monks that do kung fu, and diligently trained rank and file samurai and ninja scouts/assasins, and mage and shogun lords. Maybe some asian mythos like Naga as well, or Oni.

Yes, JJ said last year no new races for either 40K or Fantasy for the time being. They are concentrating on producing models for everything.

But it's not like GW ever stick to a plan...

Flashman wrote:The presence of the sea creatures rule in 8th is odd not just because there aren't any current units that can use it, but also because it would necessitate a large body of water on the battlefield. Any aquatic race that GW release will have to have some form of rule regarding battlefied set up. In much the same way that WE get a free wood, maybe this new race would get a free lake or free coastline.

But see, this is why I doubt that it will work. WE can leave the forest, but it wouldn't make sense for something like a giant shark or sea serpent or something like that to be able to leave the water. I think that the use of ocean will make the army too impractical for the tabletop.

Besides, when has GW had such an intelligent marketing strategy as taking advantage of a major movie release?

Guildsman wrote:

Flashman wrote:The presence of the sea creatures rule in 8th is odd not just because there aren't any current units that can use it, but also because it would necessitate a large body of water on the battlefield. Any aquatic race that GW release will have to have some form of rule regarding battlefied set up. In much the same way that WE get a free wood, maybe this new race would get a free lake or free coastline.

But see, this is why I doubt that it will work. WE can leave the forest, but it wouldn't make sense for something like a giant shark or sea serpent or something like that to be able to leave the water. I think that the use of ocean will make the army too impractical for the tabletop.

I give you the fishmen's secret weapon...

Whoo!

Warhammer Armies: Murloc here we come...

Flashman wrote:

Guildsman wrote:

Flashman wrote:The presence of the sea creatures rule in 8th is odd not just because there aren't any current units that can use it, but also because it would necessitate a large body of water on the battlefield. Any aquatic race that GW release will have to have some form of rule regarding battlefied set up. In much the same way that WE get a free wood, maybe this new race would get a free lake or free coastline.

But see, this is why I doubt that it will work. WE can leave the forest, but it wouldn't make sense for something like a giant shark or sea serpent or something like that to be able to leave the water. I think that the use of ocean will make the army too impractical for the tabletop.

I give you the fishmen's secret weapon...

And her attacks cause "crabs"

I give you the fishmen's secret weapon...

I'm thinking an all mermaid army. Grrowwl!

yevix wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Why be on the lookout for them, when they've already been introduced at least once before?

Storm of Chaos had the "Merwyrm", wherein they were a Monstrous Creature that had the Aquatic rule and let them ignore deep water--even becoming normal sized targets when submerged.

merwyrm had no models and I think storm of chaos was in 2004 so the rule for SEA creatures didn't even exist then, maybe rules made for the merwyrm specifically but not in the main rulebook - its kinda silly too include a rule (in 2010) for a creature that came out in 2004 has no models and was specifically made a for storm of chaos


I have this sick feeling in my stomach that GW are making a release for a new army (fish/sea army) and trying too release it during the pirates Caribbean craze (new movie out this year) - a pirate sea creature army

Pirates are always cool
sea race hasn't been done before
2011 perfect release time in sync with POTC movie

this annoys me because they are simply trying to make money

That's a clever prediction. I would rather see them make new armies than update codices that don't need updates badly.

FIMIR!

Carlovonsexron wrote:FIMIR!

If only...

ImperialTard wrote:

yevix wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Why be on the lookout for them, when they've already been introduced at least once before?

Storm of Chaos had the "Merwyrm", wherein they were a Monstrous Creature that had the Aquatic rule and let them ignore deep water--even becoming normal sized targets when submerged.

merwyrm had no models and I think storm of chaos was in 2004 so the rule for SEA creatures didn't even exist then, maybe rules made for the merwyrm specifically but not in the main rulebook - its kinda silly too include a rule (in 2010) for a creature that came out in 2004 has no models and was specifically made a for storm of chaos


I have this sick feeling in my stomach that GW are making a release for a new army (fish/sea army) and trying too release it during the pirates Caribbean craze (new movie out this year) - a pirate sea creature army

Pirates are always cool
sea race hasn't been done before
2011 perfect release time in sync with POTC movie

this annoys me because they are simply trying to make money

That's a clever prediction. I would rather see them make new armies than update codices that don't need updates badly.

It's a terrible prediction and it does nothing but spread misinformation.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

Carlovonsexron wrote:FIMIR!

If only...

Indeed. I often voice a dislike for how the fantasy races have been pulled into 40k, but they are one of the ones that are so alien enough and unique I wouldn't mind them being pulled into 40k. Particularly since they have been ditched in fantasy. Probably need to clear up the whole rapre theme with them though, as that's not exactly a spectacularly good theme to go with... indeed, best to sweep that past under the carpet, as it were.

You seriously need to rethink your arguments if all you have to go on is "OMG PIRATES THIS SUMMER! SEA CREATURE RULE! MUST BE LINK!". You're trying to force a square peg into a round hole, and it will only end badly.

You need too stop being a smartass and read what I said and not make up stuff I never said, I SAID that only sea creatures rules exist and nothing else exist for those rules and GW staff said "wait and see" basically they have something in mind for those rules it could be an army it could be a unit it could be nothing this year.

I THINK or (wishful thinking even) it could be a new army because I remember a rumour about something big happening in fantasy in 2011 summer (Whats bigger then a new army book) and I suggested that it would make good FINANCIAL sense too release a sea army around the time of one of the biggest selling movies.

And, really...
You think the Pirates of the Caribbean(which is pretty much the female "Oooh Johnny Depp!" crowd) fanbase are scouring the Internet looking for 28mm pirates?

Of course not, its not like GW ever releases stuff just too get a new customer group AND stop with the pirates jeez it was a suggestion that it would be a typical GW move (try too make money) you think GW customers arent fans of POTC - look at it this way if only 20% of warhammer players are fans of POTC then releasing an army themed on sea pirates monsters would mean those 20% buy more stuff from GW.

I mean come on they basically released tau too get all the anime fans into warhammer 40k

You're definitely reading way, way too much into it. They put "generic" special rules into the main rulebook. Not army specific.
Also:...the Merwyrm!

name 1 other rule that is not used by ANY army - almost all the rules are usable by at least 1 army this one sea creature = NILL

Yes, because GW staff are well-known for spilling the beans...

Oh wait. They're not. They're too bloody terrified of being fired for accidentally spoiling potential releases

Like I said if you READ my first post you will notice I Pointed out that its not the most reliable source

Let me help you out

I recently talked with a gw(I know not reliable but keep reading)

clearly I pointed out its not reliable so why are you repeating what I already said?

say what you will but I think its going too be a sea creature army of sorts - OR - a race is getting and update and getting a few sea creature models (maybe dark elves)
the reason I say its going too be an new army is because it doesn't make sense too release a rule for a single monster unless all armies are getting some kind of sea creature.
non the less keep a big lookout for these SEA CREATURES

Does anything in that quote mention POTC? all a gave was 2 option that make sense too me army or new monster or unit

I have this sick feeling in my stomach that GW are making a release for a new army (fish/sea army) and trying too release it during the pirates Caribbean craze (new movie out this year) - a pirate sea creature army
this annoys me because they are simply trying to make money

this says I have a sick feeling that it could be a fish army nothing more then a FEELING

so tell me oh wise all knowing did I ever say
"OMG PIRATES THIS SUMMER! SEA CREATURE RULE! MUST BE LINK!"


I know my spelling and grammar are not the best but surely you can read a bit better then how you have been doing

There are suppose to be slews of new minis coming this Summer. Maybe their campaign will have the theme of sea invasions, and maybe even bring back the ship rules from the General's Compendium. This would be awsome in my book but who really knows what GW is going to do as we only ever really find out for sure about a month or so in advance. Here's to hope for some more epic models, which Im pretty sure will happen

yevix wrote:

You seriously need to rethink your arguments if all you have to go on is "OMG PIRATES THIS SUMMER! SEA CREATURE RULE! MUST BE LINK!". You're trying to force a square peg into a round hole, and it will only end badly.

You need too stop being a smartass and read what I said and not make up stuff I never said, I SAID that only sea creatures rules exist and nothing else exist for those rules and GW staff said "wait and see" basically they have something in mind for those rules it could be an army it could be a unit it could be nothing this year.

I THINK or (wishful thinking even) it could be a new army because I remember a rumour about something big happening in fantasy in 2011 summer (Whats bigger then a new army book) and I suggested that it would make good FINANCIAL sense too release a sea army around the time of one of the biggest selling movies.

As opposed to the other three Pirates of the Caribbean movies?

Because if they've been designing this army as long as your reasoning suggests...
It could have been timed to coincide with those movies.

And, really...
You think the Pirates of the Caribbean(which is pretty much the female "Oooh Johnny Depp!" crowd) fanbase are scouring the Internet looking for 28mm pirates?

Of course not, its not like GW ever releases stuff just too get a new customer group AND stop with the pirates jeez it was a suggestion that it would be a typical GW move (try too make money) you think GW customers arent fans of POTC - look at it this way if only 20% of warhammer players are fans of POTC then releasing an army themed on sea pirates monsters would mean those 20% buy more stuff from GW.

You do know that they actually do have zombie pirates already, right?

The Sartosan models from the Collector's Range are pretty much fanservice to POTC.

I mean come on they basically released tau too get all the anime fans into warhammer 40k

Ill-informed, untrue, and unsuccessful. The Tau were an attempt to add a "less grim" aspect to the 40k universe.

Unless "anime" is now exclusively 'small amounts of battlesuits and slit-headed aliens'.

You're definitely reading way, way too much into it. They put "generic" special rules into the main rulebook. Not army specific.
Also:...the Merwyrm!

name 1 other rule that is not used by ANY army - almost all the rules are usable by at least 1 army this one sea creature = NILL

So the Dwarf Airship in the rulebook is tournament legal and available to every army? Awesome. My High Elves are gonna have to get them one.

Yes, because GW staff are well-known for spilling the beans...

Oh wait. They're not. They're too bloody terrified of being fired for accidentally spoiling potential releases

Like I said if you READ my first post you will notice I Pointed out that its not the most reliable source

Let me help you out

I recently talked with a gw(I know not reliable but keep reading)

clearly I pointed out its not reliable so why are you repeating what I already said?

You're missing the point entirely.

The point was GW staff will almost never spill information that is remotely true concerning upcoming releases, outside of the "3 month window".

There's also the point that, y'know...most GW employees have as much "insider information" as the rest of the GW community does.

say what you will but I think its going too be a sea creature army of sorts - OR - a race is getting and update and getting a few sea creature models (maybe dark elves)
the reason I say its going too be an new army is because it doesn't make sense too release a rule for a single monster unless all armies are getting some kind of sea creature.
non the less keep a big lookout for these SEA CREATURES

Does anything in that quote mention POTC? all a gave was 2 option that make sense too me army or new monster or unit

And then...

I have this sick feeling in my stomach that GW are making a release for a new army (fish/sea army) and trying too release it during the pirates Caribbean craze (new movie out this year) - a pirate sea creature army
this annoys me because they are simply trying to make money

this says I have a sick feeling that it could be a fish army nothing more then a FEELING

And I didn't say it until after you kept harping on the POTC connection. Without that, your 'theory'(if it can really be called that) falls apart.

Without foreknowledge, GW would have had to have this release planned for ages anyways(which, admittedly, could be the case due to the "big fantasy summer" rumor we've had for...oh three years now).

POTC is just a coincidence, at best.

so tell me oh wise all knowing did I ever say
"OMG PIRATES THIS SUMMER! SEA CREATURE RULE! MUST BE LINK!"

It's good to have my talents of amazingness recognized.

I know my spelling and grammar are not the best but surely you can read a bit better then how you have been doing

See, it has less to do with my reading ability and it has more to do with you leaping to conclusions based off vague hints from a completely unreliable source--and then running to tell us that you've cracked some kind of code.

As opposed to the other three Pirates of the Caribbean movies?
Because if they've been designing this army as long as your reasoning suggests...
It could have been timed to coincide with those movies.

you are really in love with POTC, my reasoning is this - sea monster rules, no sea monster model, no sea monster army therefore either a sea monster is going to be be released or a new sea army

and as I said ...if they started making an army it would only be around the same time they started making 8th edition (since sea monster rules only appear in the 8th" so unless they can travel back in time it would be impossible to release during 1,2 or 3 movie

Unless "anime" is now exclusively 'small amounts of battlesuits and slit-headed aliens'.

so you think anime and mecha suits weren't an inspiration for the tau I bet you my left testicle it was one of the main inspiration for tau

So the Dwarf Airship in the rulebook is tournament legal and available to every army? Awesome. My High Elves are gonna have to get them one.

all this suggest is dwarfs could be getting an airship

The point was GW staff will almost never spill information that is remotely true concerning upcoming releases, outside of the "3 month window".

I know that, it clearly states in my discussion with him that he says

"Cant tell you" "but keep a watch out, very soon" he gave a nice laugh over the phone and I said goodbye.

he could have said, no, he could have said, I dont know I am just a rookie, he could have put the phone down, but no he said keep a watch out very soon....

since there is another rumour about something BIG happening for fantasy in the summer I though hmmm could be a slight connection

There's also the point that, y'know...most GW employees have as much "insider information" as the rest of the GW community does.

clearly I know that or I wouldn't have said NOT RELIABLE SOURCE

And I didn't say it until after you kept harping on the POTC connection. Without that, your 'theory'(if it can really be called that) falls apart.

I kept harping? when? please quote me harping about POTC, I mentioned POTC in my second post ONCE then you simply said my POTC idea is wrong,

the main idea is sea monster or sea race is being released, you then imagined me saying that its connected to POTC and I never said that I said I think it could be connected, that was it.

I have this sick feeling in my stomach that GW are making a release for a new army (fish/sea army) and trying too release it during the pirates Caribbean craze (new movie out this year) - a pirate sea creature army
Pirates are always cool
sea race hasn't been done before
2011 perfect release time in sync with POTC movie

this is all I said about it, nothing more nothing less then you started pointing out that my idea which is either a sea army or a sea monster being released is wrong and pointing how it could not be POTC related, I know its not POTC related

Without foreknowledge, GW would have had to have this release planned for ages anyways(which, admittedly, could be the case due to the "big fantasy summer" rumor we've had for...oh three years now).

POTC is just a coincidence, at best.

I never said it was anything more then a sickly feeling of mine its like you watch a movie trailer and think to yourself "this is gonna be crap" I never said I have definitive proof or anything only pointing out how I feel and you have this need to say "your feelings are wrong about POTC"
sure more then likely its only a stupid feeling I am getting.

It's good to have my talents of amazingness recognized.

not really I sort a detest you right now, you sound like the worst person too talk with or be in the same room with.

See, it has less to do with my reading ability and it has more to do with you leaping to conclusions based off vague hints from a completely unreliable source--and then running to tell us that you've cracked some kind of code

so lets see I think a sea army or sea monster is going to be released this summer beacuse
a - rulebook has sea monster rules
b - rumour about something big happening in summer for WHF

Did I jump any huge hurdles or are you simply so stubborn and high and mighty that you feel the need to be always right and have the last post?


plus I never ran here too tell anything, I just thought I would mention something that could be a potential rumour which it can be.

ps and I repeat I DO NOT THINK it is going to be coinciding with POTC4 it was a sickly feeling I had, nothing less, my opinion, my idea that is all.



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nieto666 wrote:There are suppose to be slews of new minis coming this Summer. Maybe their campaign will have the theme of sea invasions, and maybe even bring back the ship rules from the General's Compendium. This would be awsome in my book but who really knows what GW is going to do as we only ever really find out for sure about a month or so in advance. Here's to hope for some more epic models, which Im pretty sure will happen

I could actually see it being a forge world release the newest forge world newsletter (for warhammer) said they have some secret project being made, who knows could be a warhammer fantasy version of Imperial Armour with lots of new stuff

I gotta say Kan, this is funny as hell to watch

Clearly, the next army will be Johnny Depp's winning smile and Orlando Bloom topless.

You heard it here first!


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Also: Warhammer Forge's project has been known since September 2010. It's the first book of a series.

Kanluwen wrote:Clearly, the next army will be Johnny Depp's winning smile and Orlando Bloom topless.

You heard it here first!


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Also: Warhammer Forge's project has been known since September 2010. It's the first book of a series.

oh jeez kanluwen you really need to get a new personality.

and clearly you need to fix your love with Johnny Depp you need to sort it out before it becomes a problem. good luck with life buddy

Land Shark?

Lets go with the original!



Updated for the kids:



Yeah!

Er, OK, what are we arguing about in here now?

Just reporting what I was told by a GW employee!

I mean really what he said was "It might or might not have the letters 'JDWS' and 'OBT' involved. Keep an eye out!", but clearly. This is the only explanation!

Kanluwen wrote:Just reporting what I was told by a GW employee!

I mean really what he said was "It might or might not have the letters 'JDWS' and 'OBT' involved. Keep an eye out!", but clearly. This is the only explanation!

....learn to read posts properly

Maybe GW acquired rights to use C'thulhu and the ancient one awakens from the depths of the ocean and sends out legions of sea creatures to eat up elves, orcs, dwarves, lizards and chaos?

Crom wrote:Maybe GW acquired rights to use C'thulhu and the ancient one awakens from the depths of the ocean and sends out legions of sea creatures to eat up elves, orcs, dwarves, lizards and chaos?

wouldn't be a bad thing, it could have even been the old ones, imagine if the world of war hammer developed like normal world, the first signs of life would have been in the water, the old ones made an underwater race but something happened blah blah blah they were locked away deep in the water whilst old ones tried plan b of their plan and made lizzies basically lizzies evil cousin

Clearly, the next army will be Johnny Depp's winning smile and Orlando Bloom topless.

You heard it here first!

Can't we have Keira Knightly topless instead please?

Land Sharks
AKA property developers?

nieto666 wrote:There are suppose to be slews of new minis coming this Summer. Maybe their campaign will have the theme of sea invasions, and maybe even bring back the ship rules from the General's Compendium. This would be awsome in my book but who really knows what GW is going to do as we only ever really find out for sure about a month or so in advance. Here's to hope for some more epic models, which Im pretty sure will happen

This seems much more likely than a new army. Sea battles with pirates would be sweet! There are quite a few of the GW demographic who like pirates beyond PotC. Outside GW, Pirate weekend at the Renaissance Festival is always packed with folks in pirate costumes... pirates are popular! It might even tempt some new blood to start playing.

Besides, they just released goblin ninjas, so OF COURSE pirates should be updated as well.

It would only make sense to pull out and polish up the ship rules and release like they did Spearhead. 'bout freakin time they did something to capitalize on pirates (yeah yeah, Sartosa, need moar).

I'm calling it as: WFB High Seas expansion!

(that is my guess at any rate)

Edit: to get off the short bus

C'thulhu would be great, but sadly I don't see it happening

Sarsorta forces would be cool, though a sea battle subgame would probably just go the way of Warhammer Quest or Blood Bowl

I don't know about a lot of sea monsters, but with the recent (kinda) surge in large plastic monsters (Arachnarok, new Stegadon, Hellpit Abomination etc) I can see where this rule would get some usage, specially with the upcoming rumored Summer Model surge

Fishmen and Fimir would both be amazing but sadly we all know, won't ever happen

Murdock129 wrote:Fishmen and Fimir would both be amazing but sadly we all know, won't ever happen

we can still dream dont take away our dreams its all we have left in this cruel and dark world

Sol Invictus wrote:

I give you the fishmen's secret weapon...

I'm thinking an all mermaid army. Grrowwl!

This would be the perfect WHF army for Melissia to go along with her Battlesisters

Oh man ship siege battles would be epic, and you could make the loser walk the plank!!!!!

I personally think that the Sea Creature rule is there so that if GW were to ever make a future Sea Creature type unit they wouldn't have to come up with a new rule, they could instead apply the current Sea Creature rule.

Yes, they're preparing for a Sea Creature... IF they ever decide to make one, not because they are GOING to make one.

Maybe they are going to bring back Man O War (the game not the band!) hahahhaahahahaha

yevix wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Why be on the lookout for them, when they've already been introduced at least once before?

Storm of Chaos had the "Merwyrm", wherein they were a Monstrous Creature that had the Aquatic rule and let them ignore deep water--even becoming normal sized targets when submerged.

merwyrm had no models and I think storm of chaos was in 2004 so the rule for SEA creatures didn't even exist then, maybe rules made for the merwyrm specifically but not in the main rulebook - its kinda silly too include a rule (in 2010) for a creature that came out in 2004 has no models and was specifically made a for storm of chaos


I have this sick feeling in my stomach that GW are making a release for a new army (fish/sea army) and trying too release it during the pirates Caribbean craze (new movie out this year) - a pirate sea creature army

Pirates are always cool
sea race hasn't been done before
2011 perfect release time in sync with POTC movie

this annoys me because they are simply trying to make money

This is just too funny for words. YOU create a rumour, and then you get annoyed about it. There's no hope for some people.

You know over the past couple of months I've dropped posts about this subject on and off! Including on the pages that launched this topic.

The thing that struck me in the rulebook was the image of the boats...not the new rules.

Sea creatures and ships are present in a GW game already in existence. I foretell GW is going to combine the elements of one of its older games into its new game. Massively expanding game scenarios and importantly models meaning sales. Models that previously were not on the same scale (warmaster scale) will now be 28mm/1/35th. A steam tank is about the largest thing you can get for empire on land. But what you could get on sea is a....




Wait I mean....





You had massive sea creatures in Man O War (new rules). You had Boats (depicted in 8th ed). They will release it as an expansion. Possibly in time for pirates of the carribean...which already exists game wise.



And yes the warhammer on the album cover does have a spear point.






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Er how do I make those pictures smaller?



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Anyway...the do that...they'll massively increase their profits. You would have a army, and a armada. Rule system is already in existence just need new models...like they did with Space Hulk last year.




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Crom wrote:Maybe they are going to bring back Man O War (the game not the band!) hahahhaahahahaha

I missed that one liner. Doh!

In case you were wondering, calling other users "numbnut" is against our rules. Thanks! ~Manchu

The Dreadnote wrote:I gotta say Kan, this is funny as hell to watch

It's like all great train wrecks - it's horrific, and you wish it didn't exist, but for some reason you just can't look away...



I feel another Dakka Dakka/Kan-related movie trailer coming on...

Codex:Fishmen has been a long running joke in the design studio for years, coming from hiding the next codex release from visitors, back in the day when the studio wasn't in a vault

How about this as an alternative mini http://www.tabletopgamingnews.com/2011/02/09/43642

I've also ordered some of these recently http://www.blackscorpionminiatures.com/index.php and am just waiting for my new Orc Mordheim band... (plus the Cutlas rules look cool too)

Somebody say fishmen?

Lookie here: http://www.frothersunite.com/files/rob/Fmsc/Fmsc1.htm

Captain Jack wrote:Codex:Fishmen has been a long running joke in the design studio for years, coming from hiding the next codex release from visitors, back in the day when the studio wasn't in a vault

How about this as an alternative mini http://www.tabletopgamingnews.com/2011/02/09/43642

I've also ordered some of these recently http://www.blackscorpionminiatures.com/index.php and am just waiting for my new Orc Mordheim band... (plus the Cutlas rules look cool too)

Some of those are used by the nauticans (unofficial army list) - I am not sure what it is, maybe they are gonna release a huge sea monster kit like a giant kraken that comes out the water and attacks anyone with a certain distance of him (but cant be too far from the water) a sorta living terrain piece that attacks anyone. (so its you vs the other guy vs the kraken)

lmao

since when does Donald Duck do miniature wargaming?

He could be a proxy for that Quacken you are thinking about?

Well, if I had a magical faerie conjured from the land of dreams appear and deliver a nautical themed fantasy expansion for the summer, I'm not sure what to think. I mean, a Man of War could be really cool, but I'm not sure GW has the attention span to give it what it des-SQUIRREL!!!

If it was a 28mm scale Fantasy on Boats (TM) game, I'm not sure that would work either. And while I don't doubt GW could come out with some impressive 28mm scale ship models if they put their full plastic sculpting ability to the task, somehow I have a feeling that it could never be what I would want. I'd be looking for really nice-looking rigging and intricate details to show the ship had occupants that really represented the army using it, while GW would give us some barely seaworthy block with a giant monster sculpted on the prow and spiky bits on the ends of oars to double as close combat weapons!

You forgot to mention SKULLZZZ!!TM
There would be moar skullzzz TMencrusted like barnacles on the hullzzzTM than you could shake a piece of driftwood at.
And moar on the oar

In fact the ships would be a giant SKULLZ TM with SkullzTM foskullzTM

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:You forgot to mention SKULLZZZ!!TM
There would be moar skullzzz TMencrusted like barnacles on the hullzzzTM than you could shake a piece of driftwood at.
And moar on the oar

In fact the ships would be a giant SKULLZ TM with SkullzTM foskullzTM

They could call it "Race for Skull Island"

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:You forgot to mention SKULLZZZ!!TM
There would be moar skullzzz TMencrusted like barnacles on the hullzzzTM than you could shake a piece of driftwood at.
And moar on the oar

In fact the ships would be a giant SKULLZ TM with SkullzTM foskullzTM

or what about a sunken ship being carried by fish monsters from the sea with undead pirate crew member and lots and lots of cannons

snurl wrote:

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:You forgot to mention SKULLZZZ!!TM
There would be moar skullzzz TMencrusted like barnacles on the hullzzzTM than you could shake a piece of driftwood at.
And moar on the oar

In fact the ships would be a giant SKULLZ TM with SkullzTM foskullzTM

They could call it "Race for Skull Island"

Alright GW, if you come out with a yacht-racing game based on the Warhammer Fantasy world with a Wacky Races approach to combat I promise to never make fun of the Razorgor again. Deal?

Yup that would work
Sounds rather cool, like mobile terrain

In fact it would be a Ghost Terrain

Just like 40K has apocalypse, fantasy will get larger scale add ons and expansions of this:

He could be a proxy for that Quacken you are thinking about?

I lol'd.

The Pan fo will not be denied.....

As for the "sea army", It was more of lizardmen, then anything else. Lustria was a campaign back in the day with sea vampires, norsemen, Tilian conquestadores, and pirates and lizardmen...
The "sea creatures" in question were dinosaurs. Other then that, Man of War had sea creatures, and there were a couple of releases through the years.

The new talk came from this area, it's been kicking around for a minute or two on the back burner of the interwebs.
http://naut2.blogspot.com/2010/07/sea-creature-warhammer-rule-in-8th.html

Here is the link provided. http://naut1.blogspot.com/



It's fan made, but it is supposed to be gaining some steam in some parts.

Another place for a sea army is over at Reaper. They have a undead pirate thing going on, and the other army, of Reptus, who are all lizards, but they have sea creatures, as well.
http://www.reapermini.com/


GW had a thing going on when they had the army books coinside with the different areas of the old world, when each of the armies were showcased, and the fluff stuff was built up with each of the new released armies.

Great summer campaign deal, wished they wouldn't had let it die like they did.

I spoke to a GW employee the other day to see if they're going to rush production on the new Ballet Dancing Marines, tooo tie in with the release of Black Swan.

I suggested this on the phone tooo a Mail Order Troll and he said "What? Are you crazy? There's never been a hint of this rumour but hey, why not, YES, they'll definitely be out by summer. Whatever."

Given that the 4ed Chaos Daemons codex already has Pavane of Slaanesh, but only ONE dancing Herald, I'm pretty sure this means that we're going to get Codex: Ballet Marines by July.

I know GW Employees are very unreliable, but I'm still going tooo start a new thread about it....

That's tooo funny

You should warn people who are eating before posting that pic.

That is just too too funny dahling!

Putting the BA into ballet!

Ogres get them! Their from... mountain... oceans...

I WANT OGRES UPDATE

Soladrin wrote:Ogres get them! Their from... mountain... oceans...

I WANT OGRES UPDATE

I think you're going to be waiting just as long as I am for my WE. Until then we will just have to deal, & watch the shinigans happening here

And munch on all the tiny armies :3

Wood elves.. yum..

Warhammer, as a game, is on hold for me though, bored with my armies, and most people at my LFGS are playing warmachine/hordes nowadays ( along with me ).

snurl wrote:Somebody say fishmen?

Lookie here: http://www.frothersunite.com/files/rob/Fmsc/Fmsc1.htm

Holy crap 1992 called and they want their web design back!

Crom wrote:

snurl wrote:Somebody say fishmen?

Lookie here: http://www.frothersunite.com/files/rob/Fmsc/Fmsc1.htm

Holy crap 1992 called and they want their web design back!

Spartan, yes. But timeless and functional.

If I recall correctly, GW was planning a zombie pirate army, but it was never released because it might look to much like PotC and they were nervous of copyright. But the army was published in WD.

Wouldn't the idea of a sea creature army mean, that it couldnt fight some armies? What are the odds of marching to Khemri and do battle if you live in the sea?

I am more guessing (if this rumour is more then a rumour), that maybe 1-2 models with the sea creature rule (like the merwyrm).

but it was never released because it might look to much like PotC and they were nervous of copyright

Never seems to have dissuaded them before.

aurelion wrote:If I recall correctly, GW was planning a zombie pirate army, but it was never released because it might look to much like PotC and they were nervous of copyright. But the army was published in WD.

Yeaahhhh...No.

The "Zombie Pirate army" was released alongside the Lustria campaign book. And it was never intended to be an army, just them kind of exploring something that had been mentioned before(the "Vampire Coast") but never really explored in detail.

The "Zombie Pirate army" was released alongside the Lustria campaign book. And it was never intended to be an army, just them kind of exploring something that had been mentioned before(the "Vampire Coast") but never really explored in detail.

Ok, I stand corrected. I was just trying to agree with you, that very small chances of them doing a pirate army

aurelion wrote:

The "Zombie Pirate army" was released alongside the Lustria campaign book. And it was never intended to be an army, just them kind of exploring something that had been mentioned before(the "Vampire Coast") but never really explored in detail.

Ok, I stand corrected. I was just trying to agree with you, that very small chances of them doing a pirate army

No matter, you've sided with Kanluwen. You're clearly in the right.

And if anyone tells you otherwise, mock them ceaselessly! It is our way!

I would buy an army that was mostly leather furchaps and spearhammers.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

The Dreadnote wrote:I gotta say Kan, this is funny as hell to watch

It's like all great train wrecks - it's horrific, and you wish it didn't exist, but for some reason you just can't look away...



I feel another Dakka Dakka/Kan-related movie trailer coming on...

You know , i have been away from Dakka for awhile now and something never stop amusing me.
This thread is a typical rumor thread , to be taken with a grain of salt as most usually say.

Yet there are some that chose to dwell into it and make an issue out of rumors as if they are solving some sort of alien / Jesus conspiracy.

Imagine what the world can accomplish if they use that energy and focus on something else constructive. Ne?


Another thing i have noticed. The worse someone's tone is at shutting down someone's rumor , the more it'll back fire when the rumor is later , revealed as been correct.
So its best to remember Dakka #1 rule to be polite no matter how far fetched a rumor is. You never know it might back fire ya'know the same way Blood Raven thread went,
sure saves the embarrassment or the need to run to mods when the original poster that was correct along decide to make fun of the nay sayers :3

LunaHound wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

The Dreadnote wrote:I gotta say Kan, this is funny as hell to watch

It's like all great train wrecks - it's horrific, and you wish it didn't exist, but for some reason you just can't look away...



I feel another Dakka Dakka/Kan-related movie trailer coming on...

You know , i have been away from Dakka for awhile now and something never stop amusing me.
This thread is a typical rumor thread , to be taken with a grain of salt as most usually say.

Yet there are some that chose to dwell into it and make an issue out of rumors as if they are solving some sort of alien / Jesus conspiracy.

Imagine what the world can accomplish if they use that energy and focus on something else constructive. Ne?


Another thing i have noticed. The worse someone's tone is at shutting down someone's rumor , the more it'll back fire when the rumor is later , revealed as been correct.
So its best to remember Dakka #1 rule to be polite no matter how far fetched a rumor is. You never know it might back fire ya'know the same way Blood Raven thread went,
sure saves the embarrassment or the need to run to mods when the original poster that was correct along decide to make fun of the nay sayers :3

What ho! Luna. Welcome back