Chapter symbol is the imperial aegis superimposed with the hammer and sickle connected together by a length of chain. THIS HAS SINCE CHANGED - SEE PAGE 2

They come from a long forgotten and silent forgeworld.

They're combat tactics - both unique and horrifying - focus on the use of nanites. The nanites are developed from a hyperdense material, impervious to all forms of radiation and electrical charge.

When assaulting an enemy force, be they on a planet of little consequence to the imperium or a planet deemed uninhabitable, they launch penetration projectiles from orbit or from the outer edges of a system. These missiles, filled with replicating nanites that systematically break down all biomass they come in contact with to a molecular scale, are both small enough and launched in such a swarm that upon entry of a planets atmosphere they appear to be little more than the passing remnants of a forgotten world, streaking through the atmosphere.

While this breakdown of biomaterial is a slow moving process, the true reasoning behind this lengthy process has slipped into myth and lore. Often times their appearance on a planet goes unnoticed, as is the wake of their visit. It can be years or centuries, and will often be attributed to a horrendous plague or incurable disease, but what has been dubbed the ‘eternal death’ is inevitable.

Once a planet has be scoured of all biomass, the vast majority of the nanites burrow deep below the surface of the planet, often to the layer just outside the planet’s core. Here they merge with one another to form a near impenetrable shell around the core.

The shell adapts in density and size until the planets polarization shifts. This takes, again, centuries and is often unpredictable. But during this process the comparatively small number of nanites still active on the surface begin to gather the molecules they had broken the biomass down to, and reassemble them into rudimentary compositions. Upon the repolarization of the planet finding completion, the nanites begin filling in the minor gaps left in said molecules to create new life based off of a randomized amalgamation of genetic forms recorded during the ‘depletion of prior infestation.’

This is again often attributed to unknown causes - but since the entire process takes so long, oftentimes the knowledge of what had occured there and what the planet had been like drifts into obscurity or is forgotten

Once the planet is terraformed, the surface nanites alter their electrical charges to an opposite polarity of the new core and float into orbit around the outer edges of the planet’s atmosphere, where they form a network of complex, micro electric relays. Should a zeno form approach or pass through this network, the nanites will polarize themselves to adhere to the invaders craft and begin rapid replication and deconstruction. Small scouting parties often appear to be meteors burning up in the atmosphere. Large fleets, however, are not broken down. The nanites recognizing the sheer size of the invading force cling to the crafts, and will later spread to whatever world the crafts come into contact with.


The nanites that now form the shielding of the planets core will recognize the change in charges occurring in the atmosphere, begin to alter the planets’ polarity continuously should the force refrain from leaving the world for an extended period of time, destroying the environment of the world untilt the zeno's are forced to flee - then the process will begin again thanks to the near limitless replication abilities of the nanites.

But the true power of the chapter lies in the soldiers. No definitive evaluation of their battle tactics is recorded within the imperium, and few rumors exist for most with sound mind dismiss the crazed ranting of those foolish enough to claim themselves survivors.

‘The Eternal Silence’ is the wake of their passing, with not but the shifting nanite sand remains after their passing. Casings, blood, bodies, all are broken down immediately by the nanites flowing throughout the world and the warriors circulatory system upon extermination.

One myth is lent weight – though very little – that the Mongers of blood and Iron never speak. The only sound is the cries of those crushed beneath their boots and the sandstorm swirling about them.

This sand is actually a nanite coating on the armor which acts as a shifting lubricant, dulling the sound of metal clanking to a mere whisper.




That is all I have so far for their back-story, still a WIP. Their visual mainstays will be…

1) Lots of chain – wrapped around wrists, hands, etc. – planning a “chainfist” that is a lightning claw where the claws have been cut off and replaced by lengths of chain with blades on the end – will be hypothetically retractable… counts as power weapon or lightning claw, not sure.
2) Using some chaos bits for chain axes – lots of chainsaw stuff.
3) Using hammers and sickles as power weaons as well – will have another lightning claw that replaces claws with sickle-like blades.
4) Chapter Mast will use giant sickle blades attached by chains – kinda like kratos form God of War – but the blades will look more like those of Gundam Sandrock from the anime Gundam Wing
5) They will have rivets on a lot of plating
6) Primarily a walking wall of death – no bikes, no speeders, but deffinately drop pods, land raiders, thunder fire cannons – Will probably have a couple Achiles from FW as my chapter’s pride and joy – embodied with the machine spirits of two forge worlds which were cleansed or destroyed, no one remembers haha…
7) Will have a metallic, dulled sheen but will be painted up in a sandstone or just rough sand/rock color. Some chips on a few, but mainly just that dirty, rock color stuff.
8) Will have resin desert bases, or custom ones if I can make them look decent…
9) Will just honestly look fairly simple – kinda inspired by iron monger suit from Ironman 1/The golden Army from Hellboy.

And that’s all I have for now. Please, give me feedback. These are a long-term goal, and will be a labor of love and pride. Any advice or criticisms will be much appreciated.

I will try to get some pictures uploaded for reference to a lot of what I've mentioned above.

Good to see your Blog started up Markillius, i will be watching with baited breath
I like how much effort you have put into you fluff as well, one thing i would say is it sounds a bit....Necrons meet Nids but i still like it.

EDIT:You may want this in Dakka P&M Blogs if you are planning on it being continuous, up to you.
Good luck regardless.

Revenent Reiko wrote:Good to see your Blog started up Markillius, i will be watching with baited breath
I like how much effort you have put into you fluff as well, one thing i would say is it sounds a bit....Necrons meet Nids but i still like it.

EDIT:You may want this in Dakka P&M Blogs if you are planning on it being continuous, up to you.
Good luck regardless.

How would I go about moving it? Also, change of plans as this will be a chaos marine army now lol. Don't want to be stuck in one genre if you know what i mean!

No worries about the change of plans, sounds good man (makes more sense in my head now too lol).

I'll ask for it to be moved for you. Future reference: the yellow exclamation mark on the top left? its the MOD alert button (used mostly to report rules infractions, but also for moving threads), hit it and then ask politely for it to be moved, simple lol Ill ask for it to be moved to Dakka P&M blogs

Thanks bud!

So they're a cross between Iron Warriors and Death Guard that control a variation of the obliterator virus mixed the sentience?

Not trying to pigeonhole you, but aside from the very, very, very, very lengthy Stargate SG1-esque replicator explanation, I've gotten absolutely nothing about who/what they are.

Perhaps a bit less 'awesome nanites' and a bit more 'this is who/what they are' would go a lot further into tying both the chapter and their tech into the 40k universe, because as it stands, they could even just be a new variation of Necrons.

I understand that mystery and ambiguity are large parts of 40k fluff, but this is a bit too extreme IMO.

@Project - thank you for your honesty. It is much appreciated. And yes, I know the story is pretty much ranting about what's awesome about them and why they are awesome and not much about who they are. I plan to fix this.

The only thing I ask is that you please bear with me, as this is simply a pet project and falls prey to my Grey Knight obsession taking priority. But, I as was stated earlier they are going chaos now, so the back story is already changing.

Also, I'm not familiar with much of the 40k fluff universe, but what is the obliterator virus? I know it's fairly self explanatory when you take in to account there are units called obliterators, but would you care to lend yoru expertise in the fluff zone please?

Thanks!

imperial aegis superimposed with the hammer and sickle

Hammer and sickle??? Are they space commies???? Coz in this case I absolutely approve your project in the name of the supreme Comrade Superman and I'm proud to announce that the High Praesidium of the Soviets commend your ambitions!

As I haven't had the 3.5 edition Chaos SM codex for awhile now, the best i can offer atm is the lexicanum:

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Obliterator_Virus

The site has been a depository of all 40k fluff for quite some time now (well known, good amount of respect as they do their best to reference/site everything) ever since GW stopped keeping the history/fluff available through their website(s).

Hope it helps.

Here's the original test mini i did for the paint scheme concept. Lemme know what you think of it.

It needs a bit more colour, right ow it could simply be a metal statue...
Maybe some markings or other colours such as Tin Bitz or another metallic colour?

@purplefood - the final scheme willhave more detail, this was just a basic attempt at getting the metal color for the armor.

They will have markings and wear and tear and other standard painting practices applied, no worries.

The metal colour looks nice, with a splash of colour it'll look great, I'll keep an eye on this

I really like the colour mate, really nice effect.

I know you are going for metals, but maybe a dark green for detailing...

Loving the ideas.... Will be watching...

The chain claw idea has my intrest. Do you have an idea for the chains that you would use? Im guessing some form or jewelery chain or Greenstuff/resin.

@pluxtheduck - Yes, I feel the same way. I'm still trying to decide how best to go about the entire scheme. First, I'm going to check out how a model looks if I paint everything and then apply the wash, or atleast some stuff to give it variety.

I thought about doing some not exactly rust effects, but some wear and tear in different colors.

For example - Mithril silver base, wash baddab black, then do some wear marks with mythril silver, having either a red or possibly bubonic brown on the inner portion to look scuffed. Think that would cause a cool effect with the washes. But again, trial and error.

@1-j - Expect it to look like standard lighting claw or wolf claw, but just having retractable chains with sickles attached. ***WILL NOT ACTUALLY BE RETRACTABLE***

I like the idea a lot...

what are you going to do for company heraldry...

Was originally going to be the imperial aegis super imposed on a crossed hammer and sickle, now i'm lending towards the hammer (or sickle, not sure which) hitting an anvil, with the anvil split down the middle.

This will represent their new chaosified back story.

UPDATE - Got great news! The Iron Mongers are officially underway.

What I've got so far for the army (none of it assembled):

10 x MK III Crusade Marines
1 x FW LR Achilles

Planning on only running Achilles style LR's in the army, though I'll mod them out so that they run standard weapon options as well since people would hate to face a bundle of them.

So the following is what I have already Purchased for the army. Let me know what you think.

Stay Tuned for the Chapter Banner and shoulder markings.

And, as usual, let me know what you think. Thanks!

The models you've ordered look awesome deffinatly will give a blocky sharp robot feel to it all

The scheme will go great with the Iron (?) armour and phobos bolters.

Great selection of purchases Markillius, cant wait to see how it turns out!

dmthomas7 wrote:The models you've ordered look awesome deffinatly will give a blocky sharp robot feel to it all

Thanks, it wasn't too hard to find armor that looked just bulky and old school, but the MK III is by far my favorite. The MK IV will be great for the "newer" squad types for the army, but will ultimately rock that same antiquated feel.

Perkustin wrote:The scheme will go great with the Iron (?) armour and phobos bolters.

I personally am not a big fan of the phobos haha. I only got 10 because it was in a lot with 10 each of the umbra and umbra ferrox. But It will definitely give some more diversity to the units.

Revenent Reiko wrote:Great selection of purchases Markillius, cant wait to see how it turns out!

Thanks bud, I appreciate you're feedback as always, and your frequenting of my blogs. This one will start to get some sweet stuff here in the next month, starting with this:



THEME: I've decided that in addition to the antiquated (that's my buzzword for the army theme), I'm going to use cogs for a unified iconography. I've got some great ideas on how to add them to the shoulders quite easily, and I believe that if I do them right it will help with that old, archaic feel on the older, more battle scarred units, but also show some real flash and craftsmanship on the newer guys (DON'T GET ME WRONG, NONE of them, ONE AT MOST, will look nice. Every model will be so damn dirty and have more pockmarks from bullets than you can shake a stick at. But yeah, cogs will tie them all together, and will play into their backstory and their chapters heraldry.

BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE!!!

Lol I bought an additional 5 MK III's, and 10 more MK IV's.


My fast attacks will not have jump packs, but instead run the "EX MK 7A ATP" (Experimental MK 7A Arachnos Transport Pack), that's a secret you'll have to wait to see, but it shall be SWEET.

And this is the first rendering of the chapters Heraldry. This would be the image on their shoulders. And YES, it has changed since the original talk of the chapter. It will all be explained, so please be patient.

I apologize in advance for my terrible Microsoft paint skills...

Oooh, this looks promising!

Regarding the Heraldry, is that going to be laid upon the shoulders of your marines? if so its going to be a pain to paint, there is some very fine detail that would need to be covered. One possible way to get around it is by using the shoulder pads from the rhino accessories sprue the ones with the cog and skull, shave off the skull so you are left with the cog, then paint your anvil and scythe onto it. The older look is going to rock btw, however I'm not sold on the colour scheme, you've already got one army that is based of a similar paint scheme, why not try something a bit different and change the colours up? (stay away from white and yellow, they are b@stards)

Colour me interested on the Arachnos packs..... I want to know more.

Knightley wrote:Oooh, this looks promising!

Regarding the Heraldry, is that going to be laid upon the shoulders of your marines? if so its going to be a pain to paint, there is some very fine detail that would need to be covered. One possible way to get around it is by using the shoulder pads from the rhino accessories sprue the ones with the cog and skull, shave off the skull so you are left with the cog, then paint your anvil and scythe onto it. The older look is going to rock btw, however I'm not sold on the colour scheme, you've already got one army that is based of a similar paint scheme, why not try something a bit different and change the colours up? (stay away from white and yellow, they are b@stards)

Colour me interested on the Arachnos packs..... I want to know more.

Thanks for commenting. And I understand your concern, but I think it will turn out alright. No silver or, yellow, white, tiny bit of red here and there, and definitely no blues haha.

Oh, and just as a thank you for your interest, sending you a PM which should give you an idea about the Arachnos. SHHHHH ! don't tell!

I am very interested to see where you take this project. The fluff has especially caught my attention. I am not sure if I missed this or not, but are the iron mongers a loyal chapter or a chaos chapter?

IceAngel wrote:I am very interested to see where you take this project. The fluff has especially caught my attention. I am not sure if I missed this or not, but are the iron mongers a loyal chapter or a chaos chapter?

Loyal, chaos, doesn't really seem to make much difference anymore haha.

But a great, I'll say it again, GREAT!!! question. The answer: Nothing is set in stone. I'm a guy who spent 3 months re-writing a prologue to a novel 78 times. It is never done haha.

But the plan as of right now is that they are loyal to the emporer, but shunned by the imperium and considered heretics because of their chapters practices (cloning, planet-wide exterminations, doing the emperor's will rather than the imperium's). So, becuase of this I'm going to spec them to be run as either chaos units or Standard Vanilla Marines. Not gonna magnetize them that much though, got my fill of sore fingers between my SW and my GK's, so I'll just stick with what I make.

They are still a highly advanced chapter, but everything they have is deceptively old-school. Their armor masses in the MK III, but their tech implants and cybernetic parts are on par or greater than that of the current chapters because of the centuries of research and "lost" technologies from the heresy, secrets which were kept safe in the data cores of their forgeworld.

The standard units will look odd, like jump troopers, because they'll use a lot of what is in all actuality experimental variations on old equipment or again proven variations that were lost.

The story stuff is in my mind, i just need to lay it out and have multiple people check for clarity and believability, but the overall things about the chapter are:

1) They are (in their minds) doing the emperor's bidding
2) They are aesthetically old and degraded looking
3) Their technologies will appear old, yet new
4) Not a whole lot of flair - simple paint other than seals and the shoulders.
5) I'M OPEN TO IDEAS AND SUGGESTIONS!!! PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR IDEAS. This will help me cross check the backs story as well as just get more out of the end result.

Hope this answers your questions and raises new ones!

Update - Bought another LR Achilles.

Trying to get more work done, but it's hard to get all the kinks worked out with my terrible artistic abilities. I know what I want, but just can't get it out on paper haha.

If ANYONE is decent at art and would want to earn a little bit of cash (Key word being a little) for some art work, let me know. I've got the 'sketches' I've done ready to be uploaded almost, so if anyone's interested just PM me please.

Beyond that, keep looking because MORE UPDATE WILL COME..... eventually.... *cough*

Try Avatar or Morathi (not full names), i have it on reasonable authority they are/know competent artists.

Cant wait for the updates Markillius

Revenent Reiko wrote:Try Avatar or Morathi (not full names), i have it on reasonable authority they are/know competent artists.

Cant wait for the updates Markillius

Thanks bud! Much appreciated!

Sweet mother more moeny than you could throw a stick at!

Intersted as to the development of this - also interested in how the Phobos fit onto the MkIII armour!

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Alrighty, boys and girls, ladies and gentleman, Marines and...... whatever other choice(s) you run.

THIS is THE update YOU absolutely MUST not JUDGE me FOR...

All kidding aside, what you are hopefully about to read is the most solid description for the army that I can muster. It is by NO MEANS FINISHED, all the details still need to go in, but the framework is now set*. (WILLING TO CHANGE THOUGH!!!)

Please leave your comments. They are ALL welcomed.



"In the darkest days of the Horus Heresy, on the forgeworld of Tagrantis IV located in the Taurus Arm of the Segmentum Ultima, there was silence; A silence which would last till the age of the second founding. What once was an invulnerable library of the Imperium was now an impenetrable tomb - dark and forgotten. Locked away beyond the orbital defense platforms which once shielded Tagrantis IV from the eyes of the universe, there existed only darkness. The furnaces which had once filled the skies with brilliant plumes of molten plasma and liquid fire were cold. The machinery which formed the piercing spires and humming opalescent valleys remained still. Stagnant air and pollution fill the atmosphere. On Tagrantis IV, there was no life beyond that of the planets core. Then, in the age of the second founding, Tagrantis IV was lost, presumably when Irona, the forgeworld's closest star, died in brilliance of a supernova. Or so they say."

~Last surviving record of Forgeworld Tagrantis IV


Origins

The Iron Mongers were founded for one purpose; to defend the forgeworld Tagrantis IV. Tagrantis IV was both the testing ground and largest techno-repository in the Imperium. So great was the purpose of Tagrantis IV, all but a dozen records scattered throughout the dusty corners of the Imperium had been wrenched from existence. However, there was no record in the Imperium of the Iron Mongers. The Iron Mongers served as the planets secondary line of defense, the primary being Tagrantis IV's planetary defense platforms which completely encircled it. Since the forgeworld's founding, the defensive platforms had only fired twice; the first was the initial test of their capabilities. The second upon a fleet of unknown origin skirting the tail, as none could know of the world's existence.

As such, the 1,000 strong legion of marines were rendered, as Tagrantis IV's Lex Mechanics put it, "An unnecessary and short lived safeguard." Chapter Master Darrius Elt disagreed.

***

The Emperor's words remained etched into Elt's mind. "One cannot forge peace through weakness. Our charge is to protect the sanctity of this world, this ark of his majesty and untold knowledge. Thus we shall slumber in the bowels of of this world, to rise and defend its sanctity. Dream my brothers. Dream of his glory. His will be done." The legions response was furious, resounding off the walls of the endless chamber: "We shall be the hammer of his majesty, forging the blades with which to reap the unclean from this world, that his tranquility may be everlasting." These were the only words the marines ever spoke, the last words they ever would. Elt initiated the stasis guard, and the marines were locked away in an endless slumber within the core of Tagrantis IV, waiting for the day when they would face the enemies of the Emperor. He sealed the chamber in his wake, and proceeded to the heart of Tagrantis IV, Sector I.

***

Now would begin Elk's longest post. The command console was prepared. Elk stepped onto the platform. "For his Glory," he began, "Prepare subroutine Sigma Delta 1.7 Protector Protocol. Execute." With terrifying speed, the floor of the room fell away, the door disappearing. Mechanical arms wielding snake-like tendrils of coil and sharp, glistening blades appeared. Elk's MK III armor was cut away within seconds as the protector protocol began to fuse his ind and body with Tagrantis IV's mainframe. Elk's last waking memory was the Warning message that appeared on the holoscreen.

**Reactor 12 non-responsive. Critical event in 42 seconds**



Subroutine Sigma Delta 1.7 Protector Protocol outlined three mission critical objectives which could not be violated.

1) Maintain the Iron Mongers chapter
2) Isolate and defend Sector I and Tagrantis IV C.O.R.E facility until Exodus Order received
3) In event of cataclysmic event, transfer all primary power to C.O.R.E. facility and initiate Archimedes Protocol.

*** All other priorities rendered void. Use of all Tagrantis IV assets authorized.***


The failure of Reactor 12 caused a cataclysimic event in which the resulting blast ruptured the pollution transit pipelines which bled the toxicity generated by the Mechanicus' research out through the orbital defense platforms. The toxins quickly filled the atmosphere, choking off all mechanicus personnel unprotected or on the surface of the planet. Those not killed, would die from asphyxiation or starvation, as the Protector Protocol redirected all power to the C.O.R.E facility and it's surface entrance in Sector I. This was the day Tagrantis IV went silent.

As the years progressed, the Protector Protocol did what was necessary to maintain the primary objectives.

OBJECTIVE I - In order to protect the Iron Mongers, clone farms were assembled within the C.O.R.E facility, each maintaining 100 function copies of each marine. As genetic permutations are to be expected from excessive cloning, those bodies with defects which were minor, had the defect removed or repaired with mechanical components and artificial limbs or organs. Those too damaged for use were broken down by the nanites which maintained the health of each clone. The clones were effectively empty shells which the Protector Protocol would direct the marines minds into.

OBJECTIVE II - The protector Protocol isolated the bio-link of Darrius Elk and encapsulated his consciousness within itself. Darrius would know everything and see everything which the Protector Protocol did to maintain the primary objectives, while also isolating Sector I and the C.O.R.E facility from all other contact.

OBJECTIVE III - Archimedes protocol began and has been testing, improving, and applying technological advancements in the assigned area of interest: warfare.


EXODUS DAY - Protector Protocol receives Exodus Order. Double varification necessary. Master Darrius Elk verifies, Protector Protocol varifies. Protector Protocol on standby.


Darrius Elk's longest station was now over. Freed from the bonds of the Protector Protocol, he could now complete the mission. Alas, his body was now permenantly part of the machine. The countless centuries of research and expansion within the C.O.R.E. Facility had demanded his all, even his freedom. He was now permanently housed within Tagrantis IV. Luckily, the Protector Protocol had planned for this, and prepared a suitable replacement body.

***

Darrius Elk stood at the base of the holoscreen of the stasis chamber. The marines stood at attention, just as they had when they were last awake. Only this time, they were staring at themselves. Their metallic portions of their new bodies glistening despite the dim light.

"Brothers" came Darrius Elk's voice, both from the holoscreen and the body standing beneath it. "Today is the beginning of the end. The beginning of our Emperor's triumph. The end to the existence of his enemies. Now you see. We shall be the hammer of his majesty, forging the blades with which to reap the unclean from this world, that his tranquility may be everlasting. His will be done"

The marines shouted the mantra with all their might, the neural links in the clone bodies screaming at maximum. The hall remained silent, all except for Elk's voice.

Thus began the Exodus of Tagrantis IV, and the resurrection of the Iron Mongers.






NOW, a little bit of explanation of the importance of their iconography.

BEFORE the incident with Reactor 12, the anvil was not cracked, it symbolized their purpose, their mission to defend Tagrantis. The Scythe represented what they were defending, the technology to clean the universe of the Emperor's enemies. The gear symbolized the endlessness of their duty, how it continued on forever, and how they were just part of the emperor's master plan, part of his machine.

AFTER the Exodus, the anvil was cracked to symbolize the change in their mission (the failure of their mission some might say) to defend the weapons and technologies of the Imperium. The scythe became more prevalent as it was now the technologies that they had defended and protected which they now utilized to wipe the enemies of the imperium out. (By IMPERIUM, i mean the Emperor's will or vision for what the Imperium should and would be). The gear now symbolizes the same thing, but it also represents how they are part machine now, physically part of the technology intended to defeat the enemies of the Emperor.


So that's what I got. Lemme know what you think. Also, this is a rough, and i do mean ROUGH version of the post Exodus banner they would carry. Thanks!

WOW. Once again, Forgeworld has forced my hand by producing more product that I am unable to resist.

I'm thinking..... 4 sets total? lol

Wow, really like the fluff, you've got a great description going on and the Icon's match the background quite well.

I've never been a fan of the over the shoulder heavy weapons but they do look quite nice

Quick question about the Iron Mongers? While in stasis/cloning the space marines are not going through a codex standard day (weapon drills, field exercises, weapon maintainence etc) wouldn't their battlefield effectiveness be slightly diminished as they wouldn't be up to date with the latest tactic's and weapons? I guess this would give you more options to have older armor and... less orthodox equipment....

Knightley wrote:Wow, really like the fluff, you've got a great description going on and the Icon's match the background quite well.

I've never been a fan of the over the shoulder heavy weapons but they do look quite nice

Quick question about the Iron Mongers? While in stasis/cloning the space marines are not going through a codex standard day (weapon drills, field exercises, weapon maintainence etc) wouldn't their battlefield effectiveness be slightly diminished as they wouldn't be up to date with the latest tactic's and weapons? I guess this would give you more options to have older armor and... less orthodox equipment....

The Protector Protocol kept the clone bodies in 'peak' form through the necessary mechanical adaptations and various biological alterations (genetherapy, muscle stimulants, etc.), but their minds were effectively encapsulated within the system like Darrius Elk, protecting their personalities and memories.

Their battlefield effectiveness would not be diminished because of the neural interface implanted within each clone. The implant serves a two fold purpose, both as a communications device (allowing each marine to communicate almost telepathically with one another, though their are range restrictions, and as a PA system for orders/commands from the Chapter Master Darrius Elk), but it also acts as their link to the Protector (Post Exodus title for both master Darrius and the planetary mainframe/tech-network of Tagrantis IV). This link allows their encapsulated selves to actually inhabit and utilize their clone bodies (think of it like being on one computer, and using the internet to access and run another computer), but once the Protector Protocol received the Exodus Order and released Darrius Elk back into the system, Darrius was able to take full control and begin streaming all relevant information to the chapter regarding the weapons developed, adapted, or changed as well as the necessary battle relevant operations and maintenance data. This is how the chapter remains so updated on what technology they use, shifts in a battle in real time, and also how they came out of stasis in the battle ready condition you find them now.

HOWEVER, they are just like any other marines. They still run through rigorous training routines and practice using the weapons which information has been downloaded into their consciousness. Its the idea of knowledge does not trump experience. Yes, their bodies are in tip top shape, and yes they have all this knowledge, but putting it to practical application is different than just knowing how to do it. Truly, their link to the Protector is like giving a student a library - all the knowledge they could ever want, but they have to choose how to apply it. Because that's the big thing here - They're NOT puppets, they're NOT mindless clones. They are the original 1000 marines charged to Protect Tagrantis IV. Even when their clone body is destroyed, they do not come back in the next clone body as a fresh-blood, they remember and learn just like you or me, the only difference is that after the gunbarrel is put to their face and the trigger is pulled, they come back remembering the face of the one holding the gun.

Hope that answers your questions. Thanks for commenting though!

My biggest concern here is to make the chapter feel 'real'. I mean, i don't want to make a chapter that is just UBER POWERFUL. That's pretty much the lamest thing anyone could do in my opinion. The idea is that they will play just like any other chapter (once i decide which codex to base them off of), just that their look, and playstyle fit this unique background. Part of that is that since they don't die, I need to decide if their playstyle is patience, or just in your face aggression.

What do you think would be a good codex for the army to play by?

Wow Markillius, looking good, really like the fluff
going to have to re read it though because i am hungover to hell and back

Revenent Reiko wrote:Wow Markillius, looking good, really like the fluff
going to have to re read it though because i am hungover to hell and back

I had a bit of "adult beverage" myself last night haha. Nothing else to do until the bits for the Mongers come in. Russian and EU post take FOREVER. But you can't argue with ebay prices!

Hope you're not suffering too bad, and thanks for checking out the blog! Lemme know if you got any suggestions or questions once you're more alert haha.

UPDATE - Been looking around for some potential conversion bits to get, specifically heads, shoulders, weapons that will fit the 'old and bulky' feel of the army. Also, anything that looks good for robotic replacement parts. Here are just a few that I've been looking at.


Lemme know what you think please, as I'm wanting to finish up ordering within the next week.

Are your marines communists or sometthing?

zxwarrior wrote:Are your marines communists or sometthing?

Well, the original concept for them was kind of a 'cold-war' imagining of the enemy. Cold, mechanical, bulky. And yes, what was originally going to be the shoulder emblem was the hammer and sickle. But that was just the humble beginnings. I'd like to think they've developed into a much more unique, and colored chapter versus just a warmachine like I had originally planned them to be.

Well that sounds pretty cool. hope you the best of lluck with it.

zxwarrior wrote:Well that sounds pretty cool. hope you the best of lluck with it.

Thanks! I promise things will start to get more interesting once I get some damn minis delivered. But until then, I suppose I have to make due with refining the fiction and themes.

Hope to see more posts from you!

Well, for those that have kept up with the blog, page 1 has my original idea for painting the army. However, I'm reconsidering because of the potential difficulties in creating legitimate looking battle damage on a washed metallic basecoat. If anyone has any suggestions or ideas, please let me know.

BUT, here are some fallbacks that I'm thinking about. Lemme know what you think.

Oh, i was just gonna order those sweet helmets on the first page. Really liking how the fluff is looking. Can't imagine how you can shell out so much money for a "distraction" army. Insanity.

lunarghost wrote:Oh, i was just gonna order those sweet helmets on the first page. Really liking how the fluff is looking. Can't imagine how you can shell out so much money for a "distraction" army. Insanity.

Lol well, truth be told, this army is hopefully going to be my focus army eventually. Original intention was to start a BA army that was all from my own imagination. Now, same idea, but it's also supposed to test my abilities and help me to learn new techniques, essentially making me a better painter, modder, and just really let me have free reign to make things as wacked out as possible.

My other blog is grey knights, and I love them the way they are standard. Beyond cutting some Techmarine heads/Libby heads off for GK armored heads, there's not going to be a whole lot of aftermarket changes made. Yeah a few here and there, but the end result is to have them look picture perfect.

If the GK's are my baby, then the Iron Mongers are to be the bastard son that returns from the past to reap what is rightfully his.

And OH MY GOD YES! GET THOSE HEADS THEY'RE SICK!!! I'll try to find it, but I saw a sweet job someone did using three of them for Iron Warriors. Very Choice.

And glad you like the fluff!

FINALLY FOUND IT!!!

PLEASE, if anyone knows what kit this comes from or happens to have any for trade/sale, PLEASE LET ME KNOW!!!

it is the nurgle champion's head from the aspiring champion sprue (csm squad), there's only one per box, so you should search over those bitz sites... good luck and keep going!

Ric

brother_camael wrote:it is the nurgle champion's head from the aspiring champion sprue (csm squad), there's only one per box, so you should search over those bitz sites... good luck and keep going!

Ric

YOU SIR ARE A GENTLEMAN AND A SCHOLAR!!! Thanks sooooooo much. I've seen this head in random pics since I started considering starting a custom chapter, and NEVER found where it came from. I OWE YOU ONE!!!


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Well, that was fast.

After I found where that head was from (THANKS AGAIN), found a cheap set of 10 on ebay. Snatched those up pretty quick.

And with that, I'd say I'm about done purchasing stuff for the Mongers. Still waiting to hear more feedback on the shoulders before I place the order on Friday, but what can you do?

Better pic of the Head



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Found this a while back, just never thought I'd need it that much. Sounds a LOT nicer now though haha.



Thinking it will come in handy specifically for the Mongers, but will also prove to be an excellent addition to the toolset.

Oh, and on a personal note, they have some SEXY Thunderwolf Cav. models. Only thing is they're expensive.

ok love the look of the forge world devastators. too bad my scars don't use them. also definitely a fan of the 3 scaled shoulder pads and the heads you've found. Perhaps put a rust red color some where in the paint scheme since they are a older themed. though may come out too chaosy (if that's a word)
As your fluff go perhaps being isolated in containment would make sense to give them out of date tactics and perhaps that would be what makes them deadly. using tactics not seen for thousands of years would regain effectiveness against foes that have never faced them before.



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Markillius08 wrote:

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Found this a while back, just never thought I'd need it that much. Sounds a LOT nicer now though haha.



Thinking it will come in handy specifically for the Mongers, but will also prove to be an excellent addition to the toolset.

Oh, and on a personal note, they have some SEXY Thunderwolf Cav. models. Only thing is they're expensive.

ha ha ha saw this at first and thought they were condoms major wtf moment

Yeah, Robo-Tentacles!(I'm a teen and I get the joke, that's just sad)
Anyways, I really like the whole thang you got goin. Subscribed.
Platymonster

platypuscorps wrote:Yeah, Robo-Tentacles!(I'm a teen and I get the joke, that's just sad)
Anyways, I really like the whole thang you got goin. Subscribed.
Platymonster

Lol yeah, hadn't thought of that and I'm a college student. That's just sad.... =(

But hey, glad I got another subscriber because of it! =)

LOL. But that's not why I subbed. By "Whole Thang" I meant the chapter itself, not the Galaxy of Terror rip-off.
Cheers,
Platy
*sigh* YES, I know about GoT too.............

Alright Markillius08, I finally sat down and got through your most recent fluff update. I like this version much more. I did have a couple questions for you though. The protocol is set in place to keep the Iron Mongers in stasis safe. The Iron Mongers are on the planet to protect some sort of tech. Do we know what kind of tech it is? Was it affected by the reactor melt down? Now that the Iron Mongers are awake can they use the tech? Also, do we know what made the reactor melt down? Was there some sort of heretical action taking place on the planet that nearly cost the entire chapter their lives? Is there an evil plot going on here?


And one of the last things you wrote was about the marines shouting their mantra, yet the hall remained silent. Can they not talk? Or was it silent, right after they shouted?

Sorry if i asked to many questions but I enjoyed the fluff and the iconography quite a bit. I think you could focus on the unknown a bit more to give them a bit more depth but overall good stuff!

I like your choice in pieces for your models as well. I look forward to seeing some of them put together and painted. Of your three examples I like the third one the best, except the unevenness of the coloring.

FINALLY, now we got something.

Came home from work to find.....

15 x MK III Iron Armor Marines
30 x MaxMini Steam Knight Heads!!!

Gonna get to work cleaning and taking pictures. Hope to get you all a taste of what to look forward tonight!

Hi Markillius08
Quite new to 40k but thought any thoughts may help.
Personally, i prefer your 1st revision of the color scheme but the 3rd is just to like normal SMs and is just to light for the theme your going fore.

IceAngel wrote:Alright Markillius08, I finally sat down and got through your most recent fluff update. I like this version much more. I did have a couple questions for you though. The protocol is set in place to keep the Iron Mongers in stasis safe. The Iron Mongers are on the planet to protect some sort of tech. Do we know what kind of tech it is? Was it affected by the reactor melt down? Now that the Iron Mongers are awake can they use the tech? Also, do we know what made the reactor melt down? Was there some sort of heretical action taking place on the planet that nearly cost the entire chapter their lives? Is there an evil plot going on here?


And one of the last things you wrote was about the marines shouting their mantra, yet the hall remained silent. Can they not talk? Or was it silent, right after they shouted?

Sorry if i asked to many questions but I enjoyed the fluff and the iconography quite a bit. I think you could focus on the unknown a bit more to give them a bit more depth but overall good stuff!

I like your choice in pieces for your models as well. I look forward to seeing some of them put together and painted. Of your three examples I like the third one the best, except the unevenness of the coloring.

In order...


1) The tech is vast and varied. Tagrantis IV served as the chief repository of all high value Imperium Tech. The Mechanicus / Protector Protocol served the purpose of maintaining the records integrity and developing, re purposing current and past tech for all war related purposes. IE weapons, transportation, improving energy output while reducing consumption, etc. That was the intended purpose of Tagrantis IV. It was to be the forge of the Emperor's will, where the weapons of his majesty would be created and their secrets kept safe.

2) while there was SOME loss, it was minor and all experimental and - in perspective to the large scale picture - 'EASILY' replaced. All tech records, schematics, and the most stable prototypes are housed within the C.O.R.E facility. All volatile Prototypes are tested on the surface of Tagrantis IV or in orbit.

3) Yes, the Mongers can and already do utilize the tech. The mechanical augmentations to their bodies have all been improved via the Archimedes Protocol's continual research and development. The Protector Protocol originally implemented the tech once it reached a predefined success/fail rate. Their armor, their weapons, essentially everything about them is in some way affected by and utilizing some form of tech developed on or housed on Tagrantis IV.

4) The Reactor 12 Meltdown cause is yet to be deciphered. The information was gathered during the bio-fusion of Darruis Elk to the planets mainframe, so it was given less of a priority and essentially qued for evaluation. However, when the Protector Protocol was activated, it superceeded all que'd actions and data. And since the data did not fall under it's primary objectives and it did not deem them pertinent at the time, it moved them to storage. Over time, the data has suffered some storage degradation, while other portions have been lost completely. However, the data still remains and is a current focus of Darrius Elk, as he has suspicions about Tagrantis IV's purity and the true value it would serve to both the Imperium and the forces of chaos.

So, essentially stay tuned as the story develops!

And the big thing is that the communicators built into their heads serve as a mental relay to one another. They do not need to speak, becuase their thoughts serve to communicate to one another. Darrius Elk is the only one who truly speaks, and even then it's not his voice, it's a replication of it sent thought the speakers in his super bio-mech body. Yeah, that was one i didn't explain real well. Thanks for giving me a chance to explain it.

Hope that answers more of your questions. and THANK YOU FOR RESPONDING!! THESE kinds of questions will make this project so much more meaningful and believable.


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The Black Nid wrote:Hi Markillius08
Quite new to 40k but thought any thoughts may help.
Personally, i prefer your 1st revision of the color scheme but the 3rd is just to like normal SMs and is just to light for the theme your going fore.

Thanks for the feedback! I like the first as well, the third seems more like a special unit or character variation to me. But I'm going to try to get some test paints done this weekend as I just haven't had the time yet haha.

Hi Markillius08. Im quit new to 40k, but just thought that any help I can give you is still help. I prefer your 1st revision of the couler scheme but personally I'd keep the belt as the gold couler. The 3rd I rely don't like, its just to light for the theme your going for and doesn't reflect the background as well as the other two.

The Black Nid wrote:Hi Markillius08. Im quit new to 40k, but just thought that any help I can give you is still help. I prefer your 1st revision of the couler scheme but personally I'd keep the belt as the gold couler. The 3rd I rely don't like, its just to light for the theme your going for and doesn't reflect the background as well as the other two.

I'd agree. They need to be darker, just fits the idea better and the backstory as well. But I'm still not sold on the different colored belt. Maybe if I tone that 'seperator color' down a little earthier or a little darker, it would be better..... hmmmm

Here are those pictures I promised. Also threw together a really quick, uncleaned upperbody to showcase the different looks the heads add.



Whatcha think?

All in all, I like the heads. They go INSANELY WELL with the MK III Marine bodies. Can't wait to see what they Look like with a broken anvil on their chests.

Well, as always, keep commenting. Hopefully NOW, you'll HAVE something to talk about.

The bottom two are by far my favs. Just my 2 cents

tony_nids_10 wrote:The bottom two are by far my favs. Just my 2 cents

I feel like the last two fit because not all of the marines would have fully functioning lungs. Re-breathers would be necessary. That and they just look like a nice contrast between the bulky, riveted armor and the sleek, yet archaic helmet style.

Gotta hand it to MaxMini, they made a SWEET collection of heads right there.

Thats a whole lot of Bitz!!
my personal favourite is the 3rd from the bottom, reminds me of a more classic knight's helm for some reason.

Revenent Reiko wrote:Thats a whole lot of Bitz!!
my personal favourite is the 3rd from the bottom, reminds me of a more classic knight's helm for some reason.

Lol yeah, it's old school.... *wink wink* almost like it was planned haha

It's gonna be a challenge though, cause I'm going to prob/ossibly use those as the terminator helms....? maybe. I will have to wait and see what kind of models I come up with for Termies, but I'm not gonna buy anything till these guys are significantly under way, and the GK's are finished.

Lol yeah, you have no idea how excited/pissed I was when I got home. Had been planing all day on painting some GK's, and then BOOM, such happy thoughts got derailed by such happy news. I've officially been happily pissed!

Yay! Now that i see these came out great, you know what that means. Time to order some!!! Great to see your stuff arrived, now get to building em!

lunarghost wrote:Yay! Now that i see these came out great, you know what that means. Time to order some!!! Great to see your stuff arrived, now get to building em!

Just letting them soak in the bubbly for a bit, then to brush and let them dry. Tomorrow, maybe some cleaning. Thinking of waiting though, and just focusing on getting some GK painting done. Meh, spur of the moment stuff, I'll see what sounds good.

Glad I was able to help! Those things are SICK. Not perfect, but very good casting results.

Cool cool, I'll be happy to see anything you post.

I'm looking forward to seeing how these guys come together.

So. terminators, eh? What style shoulder pad are you going to go with? The horizontal ones in use before the Heresy, or the post-heresy ones incorporating (supposedly) a scrap of the Emperor's armour? With your force the pre-heresy pads would be more appropriate and would be cool just to see what you do for them. Either way though, this is still a cool force you're building, especially with all the specialty pieces coming in.

Kaesar II

Great kit bashing underway here, loving what youve done so far. I cant wait for the jump pack revelation.

my chapter has a whole anvil as a chapter symbol
i really like the way yours looks though very curious what your planning to do with them

This...

The Standard Head (was going to repost the pic but it kept turning out huuuuge).

...reminds me of the Tin Man from the Wizard of Oz.

Am I crazy? (Probably) Or does someone share that thought?

I like your work so far on the custom chapter, Im working on one for myself as well....now that you posted that image of the Nurgle Chaos Marine head I am tempted to get some as well for my Imperial Guard Sniperteam.

lunarghost wrote:Cool cool, I'll be happy to see anything you post.

Same goes to you bud! Thanks!

tony_nids_10 wrote:I'm looking forward to seeing how these guys come together.

You and me both haha. May not seem like it, but this whole undertaking has utterly terrified me from the first moment. I'd toyed with multiple ideas for custom chapters and this one actually started out as one of my less impressive. But It's really taken on a life of it's own though all the bit searching and brainstorming. It honestly astounds me how they look just as is. But once they get battle damage, and some actual iconography for the chapter on them, baaaaaaaaaaaaad stuff shall happen to their foes lol. Thanks for the comment!

Lord Kaesar II wrote:So. terminators, eh? What style shoulder pad are you going to go with? The horizontal ones in use before the Heresy, or the post-heresy ones incorporating (supposedly) a scrap of the Emperor's armour? With your force the pre-heresy pads would be more appropriate and would be cool just to see what you do for them. Either way though, this is still a cool force you're building, especially with all the specialty pieces coming in.

Kaesar II

I'm still out to pasture on that one. They will NOT be the post heresy style ones. I'm leaning towards the ones posted earlier... the ones above the ones i said i didn't like. The blue round(er) ones. I think that will work best, because I can use some plasticard to cut out various cog/gear outlines, and put them on the back so they look like the edge nearest the body is raised that way. But I'm still open to ideas. That's one post that did not get as much debate as I would have like to have had. I honestly don't like the 'TRUE' pre- heresy/ heresy style pads, the ones with the leather looking straps coming off of them. But I'd be open to any ideas if somone knows how I could make the straps look less awkward.

Thanks, I agree that the force is coming together nicely.

Haonn wrote:Great kit bashing underway here, loving what youve done so far. I cant wait for the jump pack revelation.

OOOOH ME TOO!!!! That's going to be super sweet if it turns out the right way. Lol, and as an additional hint, the fast attack options with the packs will use the Nurgle Champion head, just FYI if anyone wanted to know what those were for.... /= )

DijnsK wrote:my chapter has a whole anvil as a chapter symbol
i really like the way yours looks though very curious what your planning to do with them

Originally my chapter had the full anvil, but it's a post thing that happened following the events that let them slumber till now.

j3r03n wrote:This...

The Standard Head (was going to repost the pic but it kept turning out huuuuge).

...reminds me of the Tin Man from the Wizard of Oz.

Am I crazy? (Probably) Or does someone share that thought?

I like your work so far on the custom chapter, Im working on one for myself as well....now that you posted that image of the Nurgle Chaos Marine head I am tempted to get some as well for my Imperial Guard Sniperteam.

Lol I do see what you mean a bit. And I'd love to see what you're chapter's shaping up to be! Also, I'd be happy to lend any advice if you'd care for some.

And YES, those heads are so versatile. I don't know why more people don't use them. I can seem them in just about ANY army if they were modded right. GET SOME!!!

Lol I do see what you mean a bit. And I'd love to see what you're chapter's shaping up to be! Also, I'd be happy to lend any advice if you'd care for some.

And YES, those heads are so versatile. I don't know why more people don't use them. I can seem them in just about ANY army if they were modded right. GET SOME!!!

Well so far I am just in the ordering stage, they are still nameless but I do know they are going to be based around the Deathwing Army List primarily and will be Lion themed so I can use...

EDIT: I noticed the picture issue...I will get them up there as soon as I get home....because my work PC is being a bastid.

j3r03n wrote:

Lol I do see what you mean a bit. And I'd love to see what you're chapter's shaping up to be! Also, I'd be happy to lend any advice if you'd care for some.

And YES, those heads are so versatile. I don't know why more people don't use them. I can seem them in just about ANY army if they were modded right. GET SOME!!!

Well so far I am just in the ordering stage, they are still nameless but I do know they are going to be based around the Deathwing Army List primarily and will be Lion themed so I can use...









...these.

Sorry to say bud, but I'm not seeing anything pop up....

Fixed it! Kinda.

Its nice to see someone put those MaxMini heads on MkIII armour - I was goonna do exactly the same thing!


looking good, looking forward to seeing these painted

j3r03n wrote:Fixed it! Kinda.

I like all of those. Scibor is AMAZING when it comes to quality product. I suggest starting a blog post on dakka right now, or as soon as possible, and post all your ideas, inspirational images if any, and products you're thinking of using. It's great to

A) have all that stuff in one place, and B) Get those ideas out there. I'm HUGE on accountability haha, because I have a tendency to start something, get it underway, then get sidetracked. EXAMPLE - My GK's! I've almost worked out a good outline for my production on both armies, so I'm not too worried at this point. But you get the point.

Just a suggestion. Also, I'm interested to hear what else you have planned for them. And the backstory and chapter name once you come up with one.

If I could make a suggestion however, since they're Marines and Lion themed, my vote is for "The Emperor's Pride" - lol ties into the lion theme. Just a suggestion, I love coming up with chapter names, character names, just love it!

Matrim wrote:Its nice to see someone put those MaxMini heads on MkIII armour - I was goonna do exactly the same thing!


looking good, looking forward to seeing these painted

Thanks! Hope to get some of the bits cleaned tonight, but I'm holding off assembly until I have everything together. I want to take stock first, and then figure out what's going on who, where, etc.

Also, I'm needing to locate some CSM bits or really even CM fantasy bits. Just needing things that are chain, sharp, and old looking.

If I could make a suggestion however, since they're Marines and Lion themed, my vote is for "The Emperor's Pride" - lol ties into the lion theme. Just a suggestion, I love coming up with chapter names, character names, just love it!

That....is actually better than anything I had in my mind....I might just steal that name >.>
and I did actually start a P&M Blog...after posting here I will actually make a similar post there when I get home from work, using your name suggestion as a working chapter name.

My thingamajiggy is Here.

j3r03n wrote:

If I could make a suggestion however, since they're Marines and Lion themed, my vote is for "The Emperor's Pride" - lol ties into the lion theme. Just a suggestion, I love coming up with chapter names, character names, just love it!

That....is actually better than anything I had in my mind....I might just steal that name >.>
and I did actually start a P&M Blog...after posting here I will actually make a similar post there when I get home from work, using your name suggestion as a working chapter name.

My thingamajiggy is Here.

You're welcome to it, under one condition: YOU MAKE THEM AWESOME. FAILURE WILL NOT BE TOLERATED!!!


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Pole for the Audience - I've been thinking, and I've realized that I have two options for my Basic Troops.

I can either make them all carry bolters across the chest, in various patterns and armor combinations.

OR I can purchase some CSM arms bits w/ chainswords. This would give them a more warband feel.

In my mind, the first would be best, becuase it makes them look like a wall of unstoppable 'Mongers' coming to rip you a new one. The commanders/sergreants/ special units woudl have more dynamic poses, but what do you think?

Should I break my vow and invest in some alternate arms, or just make them a battleworn wall of epicness?

Personally, I like option one, but have some advancing and aiming their Boltguns, either firing from the hip or using iron sights. I also think that, instead of using the paint schemes you showed via the BnC painter, you should go for a pure-ish ceramite look, with a chapter trim. Think a mix between IA and GK.
Plus, you should really start working on an index astartes on BnC, this shows serious promise. Shoot me a link.

platypuscorps wrote:Personally, I like option one, but have some advancing and aiming their Boltguns, either firing from the hip or using iron sights. I also think that, instead of using the paint schemes you showed via the BnC painter, you should go for a pure-ish ceramite look, with a chapter trim. Think a mix between IA and GK.
Plus, you should really start working on an index astartes on BnC, this shows serious promise. Shoot me a link.

THAT IS THE REASON I WANT FEEDBACK.

You JUST made me realize how EASY it would be to take the standard arms, add a lil green stuff, and BAM, now we've got marine looking down barrels. I LIKE THAT, especially considering I was freaking out over nothing as I just rememberd Pre heresy style bolters have the chainsaw attachments with the kits lol.


Sometimes, I guess I just over think things. But YES!!! THAT is going to be my solution. THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!

Oh, also what do you mean by BnC? bolter and chainsword perhaps?

I like the sound of th efirst one, it makes it seam like they are perfectly disciplined unstopable warriors, however it sounds like youve made you choice. it will be awesome no matter what you do.

Haonn wrote:I like the sound of th efirst one, it makes it seam like they are perfectly disciplined unstopable warriors, however it sounds like youve made you choice. it will be awesome no matter what you do.

Yeah, my only concern is that I've not done a lot of physically altering resin miniatures, so this will be an interesting experiment. Probably won't give it a try yet though I'm fairly sure I've got the logistics down. Just a bit nerve wracking, as I do NOT want to screw it up and lose an arm.

But at least it will save me from having to buy more bits haha.

If you are going for the Unstoppable Automatons....they come eerilie close to being a mix of Thousand Sons and Iron Warrior

So...Iron Sons, or the Thousand Warriors?

This thread is rapidly shaping to be as interesting as your GK blog. I wish I had the attention span to be able to do 2 threads at a time - I struggle to stay focused on the one that I have

Dude you're plans are simply of EPIC proportions. I will be watching this closely, and this could potentially be the single best marine blog on this forum.

I look forward to it with baited breath.

Markillius08 wrote:

platypuscorps wrote:Personally, I like option one, but have some advancing and aiming their Boltguns, either firing from the hip or using iron sights. I also think that, instead of using the paint schemes you showed via the BnC painter, you should go for a pure-ish ceramite look, with a chapter trim. Think a mix between IA and GK.
Plus, you should really start working on an index astartes on BnC, this shows serious promise. Shoot me a link.

THAT IS THE REASON I WANT FEEDBACK.

You JUST made me realize how EASY it would be to take the standard arms, add a lil green stuff, and BAM, now we've got marine looking down barrels. I LIKE THAT, especially considering I was freaking out over nothing as I just rememberd Pre heresy style bolters have the chainsaw attachments with the kits lol.


Sometimes, I guess I just over think things. But YES!!! THAT is going to be my solution. THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!

Oh, also what do you mean by BnC? bolter and chainsword perhaps?

*Grins*
Heh, nice to know I'm appreciated.
Yes I mean bolterandchainsword.com, YOU ARE USING THE PAINTER!!!
Plus, if you DO begin working on an IA, I would like to help, if possible. These guys give me good ideas. For example, perhaps, at some point, the AI governing the world malfunctioned and made corrupt copies of many of the battle brothers' personas, which were then uploaded into some of the backup bodies, proceeding to wreak havoc on the Forge World.
Cheers,
Platappreciated

j3r03n wrote:If you are going for the Unstoppable Automatons....they come eerilie close to being a mix of Thousand Sons and Iron Warrior

So...Iron Sons, or the Thousand Warriors?

Lol yeah, those are the two Chaos chapters I like most. I just can't decide on a dex. Sure, GK's are wonderful, and I also have SW which I love, but I'm kinda worried about running so many marine armies. Chaos is just this sultry vixen that's always catching my eye lol, specifically nurgle. But my friend who runs chaos says that since the chapters were condencd down to one dex, they are all basically the same. And unfortunatly, no real help via the blog posts. Any suggestions on a fun dex? Or hell, maybe even the standard vanilla marine dex, but I've NEVER look it over in depth, only at the pics haha.

Asylum_Inmate wrote:This thread is rapidly shaping to be as interesting as your GK blog. I wish I had the attention span to be able to do 2 threads at a time - I struggle to stay focused on the one that I have

Thanks! But BELIEVE ME, it's not easy for me at all. I'm great at writing, talking, and thinking, but when it boils down to the painting...... that's my Achilles heel. I can get on a roll, but I push too hard and get put off of it. Still working on getting that rhythm down.

Tek wrote:Dude you're plans are simply of EPIC proportions. I will be watching this closely, and this could potentially be the single best marine blog on this forum.

I look forward to it with baited breath.

Thank you for your lavish praise, though I respectfully disagree. There's TONS of great blogs on the site, and I've been watching them for inspiration and for guidance since before I even thought about making a custom chapter.
But I sincerely appreciate the kind words. From EVERYONE on here, even if the comments are negative comments, just knowing that other 40k'rs out there find my ideas interesting enough to comment really means a lot. That's why I try to make a point of replying to everyone who comments on the blog. Also why I beg you for so many ideas and input's haha.



WELL, the update is as such. Still no more packages...... |=(

BUT, I did get one marine cleaned up last night. So 1 down, bundles to go I suppose. Going to keep my word, and after this week, the GK's will get some much needed love for a bit, as I try out my new production schedule/technique/madness to try to keep both armies moving along at a pace, even if it's a slow one haha.





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platypuscorps wrote:

Markillius08 wrote:

platypuscorps wrote:Personally, I like option one, but have some advancing and aiming their Boltguns, either firing from the hip or using iron sights. I also think that, instead of using the paint schemes you showed via the BnC painter, you should go for a pure-ish ceramite look, with a chapter trim. Think a mix between IA and GK.
Plus, you should really start working on an index astartes on BnC, this shows serious promise. Shoot me a link.

THAT IS THE REASON I WANT FEEDBACK.

You JUST made me realize how EASY it would be to take the standard arms, add a lil green stuff, and BAM, now we've got marine looking down barrels. I LIKE THAT, especially considering I was freaking out over nothing as I just rememberd Pre heresy style bolters have the chainsaw attachments with the kits lol.


Sometimes, I guess I just over think things. But YES!!! THAT is going to be my solution. THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!

Oh, also what do you mean by BnC? bolter and chainsword perhaps?

*Grins*
Heh, nice to know I'm appreciated.
Yes I mean bolterandchainsword.com, YOU ARE USING THE PAINTER!!!
Plus, if you DO begin working on an IA, I would like to help, if possible. These guys give me good ideas. For example, perhaps, at some point, the AI governing the world malfunctioned and made corrupt copies of many of the battle brothers' personas, which were then uploaded into some of the backup bodies, proceeding to wreak havoc on the Forge World.
Cheers,
Platappreciated

SHHHHHH!!!! YOU'LL SPOIL THE SURPRISE!!!

Well, since the cats partially out of the bag, I'll go ahead and give you ANOTHER hint at what's to come...

SPECIAL CHARACTERS!!! EACH WITH A TBA STORY!!!

Lol yeah, those are the two Chaos chapters I like most. I just can't decide on a dex. Sure, GK's are wonderful, and I also have SW which I love, but I'm kinda worried about running so many marine armies. Chaos is just this sultry vixen that's always catching my eye lol, specifically nurgle. But my friend who runs chaos says that since the chapters were condencd down to one dex, they are all basically the same. And unfortunatly, no real help via the blog posts. Any suggestions on a fun dex? Or hell, maybe even the standard vanilla marine dex, but I've NEVER look it over in depth, only at the pics haha.

I dont agree with the opinion that all the Chaos Chapters are the same. All the Cult Space Marines are considered troop choices now though, that does not mean that you need to use all of them, or even any. I myself have a Death Guard company that I run with either Plague Marines or Chaos Marines with the Mark of Nurgle.
What is true is that their selection of troops and wargear seems to be a lot more limited because their codex was one of the first new ones out there. The troop selection is even more limited if adhering to a single cult, and some are obviously better than others.
Personally I am quite happy with my Chaos force as they are. Of course that doesn't stop me from wanting more....

j3r03n wrote:

Lol yeah, those are the two Chaos chapters I like most. I just can't decide on a dex. Sure, GK's are wonderful, and I also have SW which I love, but I'm kinda worried about running so many marine armies. Chaos is just this sultry vixen that's always catching my eye lol, specifically nurgle. But my friend who runs chaos says that since the chapters were condencd down to one dex, they are all basically the same. And unfortunatly, no real help via the blog posts. Any suggestions on a fun dex? Or hell, maybe even the standard vanilla marine dex, but I've NEVER look it over in depth, only at the pics haha.

I dont agree with the opinion that all the Chaos Chapters are the same. All the Cult Space Marines are considered troop choices now though, that does not mean that you need to use all of them, or even any. I myself have a Death Guard company that I run with either Plague Marines or Chaos Marines with the Mark of Nurgle.
What is true is that their selection of troops and wargear seems to be a lot more limited because their codex was one of the first new ones out there. The troop selection is even more limited if adhering to a single cult, and some are obviously better than others.
Personally I am quite happy with my Chaos force as they are. Of course that doesn't stop me from wanting more....

Now, once again, haven't seen the dex, but THIS is the kind of stuff I love to see.

So, in your opinion, what do you think would go best with the chapter? Chaos, a specific Chaos Legion, Vanilla Marines, or would you suggest some OTHER Chapter to run counts as?

The things that I'm trying to take into consideration:

Basic troops will be pretty much bland looking, they're not about flash and pizzaz.
Elites and specials are where they'll be running stuff nobodies EVER seen before.
I plan to have at LEAST a 1500 pt army at first
I want the dex they follow to fit with them - they're not super elites like GK's, they're not rabid (I say this lovingly) like SW.
I want to be able to change things up and run a LOT of different combinations.
THIS ARMY IS NOT FOR TOURNAMENT WINNING YET. IT IS SIMPLY FOR FUN.

Repeat. FUN. I want to enjoy playing these guys. Save the competition for my GK's for now haha... ]=)

And my problem is that I just have limited access to knowing what they special rules for each dex are, and really how much fun each army is to play. If you or anyone else has any helpful feedback/input, please do!

Now, once again, haven't seen the dex, but THIS is the kind of stuff I love to see.

So, in your opinion, what do you think would go best with the chapter? Chaos, a specific Chaos Legion, Vanilla Marines, or would you suggest some OTHER Chapter to run counts as?

The things that I'm trying to take into consideration:

Basic troops will be pretty much bland looking, they're not about flash and pizzaz.
Elites and specials are where they'll be running stuff nobodies EVER seen before.
I plan to have at LEAST a 1500 pt army at first
I want the dex they follow to fit with them - they're not super elites like GK's, they're not rabid (I say this lovingly) like SW.
I want to be able to change things up and run a LOT of different combinations.
THIS ARMY IS NOT FOR TOURNAMENT WINNING YET. IT IS SIMPLY FOR FUN.

Repeat. FUN. I want to enjoy playing these guys. Save the competition for my GK's for now haha... ]=)

And my problem is that I just have limited access to knowing what they special rules for each dex are, and really how much fun each army is to play. If you or anyone else has any helpful feedback/input, please do!

Alright quick rundown of the Codex out there at the moment (well from my point of view, and I dont have a complete knowledge of them in the least).

- Space Marines -
The All Round Codex, it has the most options due to it being a general collection for most Chapters out there. There are a collection of Special Characters in here to change the game up somewhat (White Scars - But an all Biker army is not what I think you had in mind by a longshot).

- Blood Angels -
I have to admit I am not too familiar with these guys. As far as I know they are pretty Close Combatty...Death Company and everything.

- Space Wolves -
A group of grumpy, stubborn Space Marines with a lot of customization options withing each unit. Personally I do like the Space Vikings, but as you stated they dont seem to mesh with your playstyle or choice of backstory.

- Dark Angels -
Well I am biased here.....all Terminator Armies, hell yes! The option to go for a faster Ravenwing...more hell yes!

- Grey Knights -
Extremely advanced technology wise, Dreadknights, a lot of Terminators, Teleporting Marines....I think these guys should be seriously considered. Of course if you already have a Grey Knight army you might want to go in a diffirent direction in order to make a clear distinction between your armies. Or merely pick troops you would not for your regular army.

- Chaos Space Marines -
A lot of specialist troops in the different cults. Slaanesh has a higher Initiative than most and some really odd weapons in the Sonic department. Khorne are close combat monsters, but their feral side might not be your thing. Here come the two interesting ones. Nurgle has a increased toughness as well as the Feel no Pain special rule which works well for your army of cybernetic clones. My personal favourites for the Iron Mongers are the Thousand Sons. Their downside is that there always needs to be a Sorcerer in each of their units. Their upside is that they get an Invulnerable Save as well as Boltters that are AP3 as opposed to the regular AP5. Of course if you did pick Chaos it also means your Dreadnoughts go insane and can fire on your own units, but it does give you access to a Defiler....which is conversion heaven.

- Others -
I am not sure if you have access to the Imperial Armour books but there are some listing in there as well, I personally have not read them all (or very much). I am sure I saw a sort of Space Marine / Imperial Guard hybrid list for the Badab forces. Of course you could go for a very strange alliance of armies and pick a Thousand Son / Grey Knight hybrid (HERESY!) but it is your own Chapter so who cares, its about the game and your enjoyment especially if you want to make a fun army.

I like the idea of Nurgle. It's always been my favorite sounding of all the chaos factions.

OH, and I've been looking into my termies. Thinking of using this guys suggestion for making them.

Standard Assault termi box, but you cut the shields in half to form the shoulders. Not bad. Also, just props to this cause it's a SEXY mini.




OH, and I've been thinking about bases. So far, I'm thinking either a desert theme base, an urban theme, a techno-style base, or making some custom 'circuit' bases kinda like this:



The final base would probably be dank, dirtier, partially covered and the lighting would be an inconsistent bright green, thinking of tying it in to the eye color green. Thoughts?

Just thought I'd throw up my other options that I'd been looking at.

I like the tron-esc bases.

I like the idea of Nurgle. It's always been my favorite sounding of all the chaos factions.

Also keep in mind another big negative side (which I just realized) Chaos does not use Space Marine Scouts, Apothecaries or Tech Marines....if anything could get you to go convert crazy its those Servitors.

As for your bases, I am actually considering the top ones for my Helghast themed Imperial Guard, who are dark, World War II colors mixed with World War I trench warfare theme. The amount of money required to get all of those though is quite a heap... I did think of a way to use those Plague Marine heads as Snipers like I planned, figure I can use them on models to function either as Ratling Snipers or Scout Marines.


Look I found a nice Iron Mongeresque face for a Dreadnought, the one on the bottom left... (From the Defiler head, it comes with three faces to pick)

Haonn wrote:I like the tron-esc bases.

Below I'll be adding a pics of my first attempt at the design. I've seen some issues, but since they're my first attempt at making a castable base, I think it's okay...ish...

j3r03n wrote:

I like the idea of Nurgle. It's always been my favorite sounding of all the chaos factions.

Also keep in mind another big negative side (which I just realized) Chaos does not use Space Marine Scouts, Apothecaries or Tech Marines....if anything could get you to go convert crazy its those Servitors.

As for your bases, I am actually considering the top ones for my Helghast themed Imperial Guard, who are dark, World War II colors mixed with World War I trench warfare theme. The amount of money required to get all of those though is quite a heap... I did think of a way to use those Plague Marine heads as Snipers like I planned, figure I can use them on models to function either as Ratling Snipers or Scout Marines.


Look I found a nice Iron Mongeresque face for a Dreadnought, the one on the bottom left... (From the Defiler head, it comes with three faces to pick)

Hmm.... that DOES pose a problem...

I'll have to look into how important having tech marines, apothecaries, and scouts are to me.

Hence I said go two armies, use them as Allies. Or just be a sneaky git and pick the army list depending on what you want to field. Allowing you to switch it around.

Haonn wrote:I like the tron-esc bases.

Below I'll be adding a pics of my first attempt at the design. I've seen some issues, but since they're my first attempt at making a castable base, I think it's okay...ish...

j3r03n wrote:

I like the idea of Nurgle. It's always been my favorite sounding of all the chaos factions.

Also keep in mind another big negative side (which I just realized) Chaos does not use Space Marine Scouts, Apothecaries or Tech Marines....if anything could get you to go convert crazy its those Servitors.

As for your bases, I am actually considering the top ones for my Helghast themed Imperial Guard, who are dark, World War II colors mixed with World War I trench warfare theme. The amount of money required to get all of those though is quite a heap... I did think of a way to use those Plague Marine heads as Snipers like I planned, figure I can use them on models to function either as Ratling Snipers or Scout Marines.


Look I found a nice Iron Mongeresque face for a Dreadnought, the one on the bottom left... (From the Defiler head, it comes with three faces to pick)

Hmm.... that DOES pose a problem...

I'll have to look into how important having tech marines, apothecaries, and scouts are to me.


UPDATE - Well, the Chaos Nurgle Champ Heads came in. Here are a few pics of one that's been de-nurgl-a-fied by itself, then on some MK III sweetness.


ALSO, here are the first partial attempt at the ever-so-eloquently dubbed 'TRON' bases. Thanks Haonn.

What I did to make them was whip up some greenstuff, roll a chunk into as perfect a sphere as i could, place it on a wet, flat surface, then press a standard base against it until it flattened out evenly and only just barely came over the edges of the base. Then, I took paperclips, strightened them, then used pliers to make sharp, clean bends in them. Then, wetted the top of the base and the paper clips, then carefully applied even pressure on the paper clips to force groves into the greenstuff.

Problems:

1) The ridges are too deep, and they are too rounded. Want them to be as square as possible - IE perfectly squared haha
2) It's difficult to see what they are supposed to be. Will hopefully be better once I work out the kinks
3) They're just a trial attempt, and there will be more added on top of them.

The idea is that this is the surface of Tagrantis IV, but there's going to be wear and tear, evidence of decades of neglect and inactivity. I'm thinking it will look closest to a neglected neon sign, the kind where it's rusted, and worn, but still has a character all its own.

And the last couple pics are of the initial test marine posted before - wanted to post another pic of it in the lamplight to let you see the scheme a little better. I think it looks good, but just not sure how to had the details to it - and of the tentative theme pic for the bases posted earlier. I've enlarged it and placed both the bases and the marine on it to give you the visual of what the end result should look like if the bases come out right.

And as usual, hit me up with your thoughts. Thanks!

Here's the update with a tentative Termi Paint Scheme.

I love the heads, but if you are going to use them you need to replace the horn with something not just hack it off. In your painted model from before the guy put a scope on it. You need to do something like that. As for your paint scheme, your test model looks a bit to statuesque, you should drop in a bit more color either through a wash or some good layering. Of the two CG images I would go with the one on the right, lol.

IceAngel wrote:I love the heads, but if you are going to use them you need to replace the horn with something not just hack it off. In your painted model from before the guy put a scope on it. You need to do something like that. As for your paint scheme, your test model looks a bit to statuesque, you should drop in a bit more color either through a wash or some good layering. Of the two CG images I would go with the one on the right, lol.

Agreed on the horn. Initial plan is to take tubing, and pipe it either into the backpack or into the weapons (umbra ferrox pattern w/ scope) so that it looks like they're three eyes serve as part of a targeting system for the shooting. And a couple will have other stuff, one will have a radar like mini dish. Etc.

And the originally painted test mini was just intended as the base coat, nothing more. There will be PLENTY of details added later.

Which way are you planning to approach the cabling?

1. Guitar string
2. Flexible hoses (Like These)
3. Make your own (Using These Tools)

Asylum_Inmate wrote:Which way are you planning to approach the cabling?

1. Guitar string
2. Flexible hoses (Like These)
3. Make your own (Using These Tools)

Flexible Greenstuff power cables using the tool I listed earlier in the blog. Will most likely be made from milliput or greenstuff.

I would be interested to hear how well those tools work, I have been eyeing up a set for while now and the video on the site makes it all look so easy. but that doesn't necessarily mean anything. and they are quite expensive unless you really make use of them

Asylum_Inmate wrote:I would be interested to hear how well those tools work, I have been eyeing up a set for while now and the video on the site makes it all look so easy. but that doesn't necessarily mean anything. and they are quite expensive unless you really make use of them

Agreed on all of it. The thing is, it's just like any other tool you have; takes time to perfect the technique, and even longer to figure out the 100 and 1 ways to use it. I've seen some stuff that people have made using the tool that just blows my mind.

But for me, it's a definite purchase. This army will need TONS of tubes, and then it will just come in handy when I decide to make any other army or special characters or whatever.

Have you seen these tools too?

http://www.shop.microartstudio.com/moulds-factory-c-86.html

granted its a little lazy but they do give a really nice effect

Asylum_Inmate wrote:Have you seen these tools too?

http://www.shop.microartstudio.com/moulds-factory-c-86.html

granted its a little lazy but they do give a really nice effect

Yeah, I've seen them and I will purchase them once I get back on the bus with my SW, but until then not that interested lol.


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YES! All my marines are now in hand. However, I am a bit disappointed.

They were bought from two different sellers, and there's a WORLD of difference between the two.

2nd seller has PERFECT QUALITY miniatures from Forgeworld. That has now shown me that the 1st seller SOLD ME MALFORMED CRAP BY COMPARISON.

I am currently debating reporting the seller to ebay or Forgeworld directly, as after comparison the first batch look to be made of a differently hued resin, and quite possibly recastings...

....muther .....

BUT other than that, things are GREAT!


To Date, the following have arrived:

20 x MK III Marines
15 x MK IV Marines
10 x Phobos Pattern Bolter
10 x Umbra Pattern Bolter
10 x Umbra 'Ferrox' Pattern Bolter
30 x MaxMini Steam Knight Heads
10 x Nurgle Champion Heads

Still waiting on...

2 x LR Achilles Upgrades
10 x Umbra Pattern Bolter
10 x Umbra 'Ferrox' Pattern Bolter

HA, and to think I didn't know what to do this weekend... =)

I WILL get pictures up here in a little bit after I get things sorted and finish a little car maintenance (changing oil FTW).

Well, the the tron like bases, what you could do is just make bases with a piece of plasticard/ equivalent, just cutting out the lines, then gluing the pieces to the base, casting that. And that's a shame about the different batches, but eBay's always a shot in the dark sort of place.

Kaesar II

Sorry for the lack of photos, just didn't get to it tonight like I had planned. Will get them up soon.

Lord Kaesar II wrote:Well, the the tron like bases, what you could do is just make bases with a piece of plasticard/ equivalent, just cutting out the lines, then gluing the pieces to the base, casting that. And that's a shame about the different batches, but eBay's always a shot in the dark sort of place.

Kaesar II

Yeah, I'd thought about that same solution to the base problem. Gonna pick some up from a friend in a couple weeks when we meet up for some epic GK vs. White Scar action.

And Even though the ebay thing REALLY me off to no end, after some reflection, it's probably for the best. Now that I know I have units that have imperfections, they're going to be the ones that I attempt new techniques on - the cutting/greenstuffing arms into new positions, battle damaging, etc - that and I'm also planning on cutting some arms/legs up and sticking tubes and various metalic pieces coming out to simulate blown off/cut off limbs.

OH YEAH, speaking of limbs, bought 4 of these online today - GREAT DEAL from the same seller as the good batch of marines.



I know, I know, I keep on buyin when I'm tryin not to, but come on: THESE TOTALLY FIT THE THEME. And I really want that tube making kit too haha. Just need to find someone who can read German to help me place the order.


So, here's the plan for the weekend:

1) Sort out the new models - DONE
2) Clean up my work area and get things organized by army - IN PROGRESS
3) Add stuff to/cleanup my Trade Thread
4) Get Iron Monger's Bits Cleaned
5) PLAY SOME DAMN VIDEO GAMES - I need to make myself take a break before it's too late. Anyone play TF2 or BBC2 for PC? Black Ops or Reach for 360?


So that's about it for now. Was a long, uneventful, but highly rewarding day.

Sucks to hear about the bad deal on your first e-bay purchases, you think it might be recasts, I would definitely report it myself, sounds very dodgy. I was looking at some stuff on e-bay too and I think it was possibly the same person, think I might pass on it now, just in case.

Asylum_Inmate wrote:Sucks to hear about the bad deal on your first e-bay purchases, you think it might be recasts, I would definitely report it myself, sounds very dodgy. I was looking at some stuff on e-bay too and I think it was possibly the same person, think I might pass on it now, just in case.

Yeah, I'd never heard anything bad about the seller, which is why I'm so upset. And, stupidly, I got the bits, gave them a quick once over in the bag, and then posted comments. But What's done is done.

Yeah, if you want to PM me the name (as I don't want to slander them publicly, I don't find that to be alright) of your bad reaction, I'll let you know mine and we'll see if they're the same person.


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Well, I'm keeping up with the weekend plan. Here's the update:

1) Sort out the new models - DONE
2) Clean up my work area and get things organized by army - DONE
3) Add stuff to/cleanup my Trade Thread - DONE
4) Get Iron Monger's Bits Cleaned - IN PROGRESS
5) PLAY SOME DAMN VIDEO GAMES - I need to make myself take a break before it's too late. Anyone play TF2 or BBC2 for PC? Black Ops or Reach for 360? - haven't found anyone yet....

If anyone's interested in the last one, let me know. Other than that, gonna go pick some stuff up from the next town over, then back to bits.

Well, forgot to wash the flash off the bits, so they're soaking right now.

And since I had nothing else to do, I attempted battle damage on my test model. What do you think?

I am loving the beat up grimy look, you get the feeling they have been fighting hard and for a long time

don't forget to get some PC/360 games played too, although if you play some Dawn Of War that can be considered research

Asylum_Inmate wrote:I am loving the beat up grimy look, you get the feeling they have been fighting hard and for a long time

don't forget to get some PC/360 games played too, although if you play some Dawn Of War that can be considered research

I'm not quite sure how I feel about the damage. I think it's a good idea, but I'm still in need of practice.

About your bases, have you seen what the Warmill have been doing? They have several project logs on here, and I'm not sure but seems like might be just what your looking for. Not a clue as to expense or anything but thought they might be able to help you?

Looking good. Really digging the Tron look bases. Can't wait to see your new tanks and such.

If you ever looking to play some TF2 on Steam its R3ACTION, i think.
Or Xbox 360 its AfroMastah14 for some Black Ops or Reach. Whichever, i suck at both.

Legoss85 wrote:About your bases, have you seen what the Warmill have been doing? They have several project logs on here, and I'm not sure but seems like might be just what your looking for. Not a clue as to expense or anything but thought they might be able to help you?

I've looked at his stuff before, and REALLY enjoyed it. PM Sent! Thanks for the great idea!

lunarghost wrote:Looking good. Really digging the Tron look bases. Can't wait to see your new tanks and such.

If you ever looking to play some TF2 on Steam its R3ACTION, i think.
Or Xbox 360 its AfroMastah14 for some Black Ops or Reach. Whichever, i suck at both.

Lol well TF2 is upsetting me right now.... but some black ops or reach tomorrow would be excellent!

I love battle damage but imho it may be a little too much. Maybe it's just me, and maybe its because I suck at battle bamage

Well, Here's the second attempt. Also updated the first one with additional colors to see if the base coat would look out of place with the secondaries added to it.

Also tried using multiple techniques on both. Specifically:

1) open flame to heat plastic - burn a few spots, and push plastic in to make dents.
2) Cutting plastic with knife to make grooves, and drill in to make bulletholes
3) Tried the foam dabbing technique to make chips and scrapes

Feeling much better about the whole paint scheme now, just need a little more practice with the detail work and the battle damage. So, what you think?

Lascannon shot- not so much. Looks like he might have a bit of brain damage or a need to visit the local apothecary for some repairs... but the burning idea is pretty cool, though it could get a bit far with a tiniest bit too much. Have you any close up unpainted shows of that?

Kaesar II

Lord Kaesar II wrote:Lascannon shot- not so much. Looks like he might have a bit of brain damage or a need to visit the local apothecary for some repairs... but the burning idea is pretty cool, though it could get a bit far with a tiniest bit too much. Have you any close up unpainted shows of that?

Kaesar II

No actually. I only apply it after painting because it adds to the idea of it getting melted or just dinged up.

DAMN IT!!! Forgeworld, once again I have fallen under your spell...

MUST HAVE IT!!

Wow!

what the feth is that!?

Wow that dreadnought is crazy! by the way the battle damage looks great.

Contemptor is very cool. Though it does remind me of the Iron Monger from Iron Man, so I would think you need to have one or more in your force just because, naturally.

Making bad ideas look good since 1941. Kaesar II

I intend to have atleast two in the army, and possibly another. I want to put them on treads, because it fits with the experimental theme.

Treads as below their feet, or treads in place of legs? That last bit seems.....a waste. The model itself is pretty awesome (that includes the legs!). Now a regular Dreadnought on treads, that might be awesome sauce. Any idea where to get the actual treads from?

Wouldnt the treads from a thunderfire cannon work for a tracked dreadnought?

j3r03n wrote:Treads as below their feet, or treads in place of legs? That last bit seems.....a waste. The model itself is pretty awesome (that includes the legs!). Now a regular Dreadnought on treads, that might be awesome sauce. Any idea where to get the actual treads from?

Tread's would replace the legs, but I think you're right, a standard dread (ironclad) would look better w/ tread legs.

Asylum_Inmate wrote:Wouldnt the treads from a thunderfire cannon work for a tracked dreadnought?

Lol I DON'T want to waste a TF Cannon, those will be strictly used as they are, w/o ripping them asunder as they are beautiful models to me and also hella expensive.




These will be used, as they are much more affordable (7 euro's = $11-$12 US if my math's right....)

What are those treads and where do i get them?

1-i wrote:What are those treads and where do i get them?

Here's the link upon request. Oh, and I was off about the prices, don't know what I was remembering.

A pair of treads is 3.50 Euros, so approximately $6 US? Conversion rate has been steady at approx. 1.6. Can't beat that price!

http://shop.ramshacklegames.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=25_27&products_id=57

I wasnt planning any vehicles in my army, only dreads and devastators for heavy support, especially now those contemptors are available.

Tracked dreads sound like they could be wicked though, and they sound like they would fit perfectly with your Iron Mongers

Would love to do one just for the fun of modelling it but I'm not sure they would count as stealthy however lol

Ramshackle needs a lot of cleaning though but the stuff is really affordable. I got myself a Half Ute and am still considering wether or not to use them as my Chimera stand ins.

Asylum_Inmate wrote:I wasnt planning any vehicles in my army, only dreads and devastators for heavy support, especially now those contemptors are available.

Tracked dreads sound like they could be wicked though, and they sound like they would fit perfectly with your Iron Mongers

Would love to do one just for the fun of modelling it but I'm not sure they would count as stealthy however lol

Agreed. The big thing about them is that the weapons have to be MASSIVE by comparison to normal because it just doesn't make sense to have a more stable firing base that can support more weight and still use the same little tiny weapons. For Example, if I were to do a TL AC Rifleman Dread, I'd probably use the Hydra Flak Cannon from the Aegis Defense Line, only I'd use 4 AC on each side, just to emphasize it's a BEAST.

But yes, tracked dreads can look pretty legit.

j3r03n wrote:Ramshackle needs a lot of cleaning though but the stuff is really affordable. I got myself a Half Ute and am still considering wether or not to use them as my Chimera stand ins.

Thanks for the warning. I'm thinking once I do buy some, I'll probably just shell out the cash for 3-4 sets, because I don't want to have to wait for two packages to ship to the US considering how long it takes. But if I don't like them after all, I'll just have more stuff for my trade thread!



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So, debating on buying the damn treads early now haha (THANKS TONY) because of some delightful banter, but I do not have any Ironclad Dreads with which to convert. SO, anybody got something they'd be willing to donate or trade or sell.....?

Needing 3!!! But I'll settle for 1 for now!

Markillius08 wrote:if I were to do a TL AC Rifleman Dread, I'd probably use the Hydra Flak Cannon from the Aegis Defense Line, only I'd use 4 AC on each side, just to emphasize it's a BEAST.

Quad AC's would be awesome overload

Exactly! Treaded Dreads HAVE to have guns, and HAVE to have big ones/lots of them.

Also if you are adamant about getting treads, I would suggest you look around their site a bit more. The treads are pretty pricey to but loose, for instance the Half Ute (the model I own) goes for 6 pounds, whereas the tracks by themselves will run you 3,50. That means for an additional 2,50 you will get an almost complete vehicle...

Something worth considering maybe.

Im still mightily impressed with you custom chapter, I almost got in all of my Deathwing parts as well so soon I will continue on that as well (on that note pop over to my thread, scroll back some and let me know what you think of the Cyclone Missile Terminator ;P).

j3r03n wrote:Also if you are adamant about getting treads, I would suggest you look around their site a bit more. The treads are pretty pricey to but loose, for instance the Half Ute (the model I own) goes for 6 pounds, whereas the tracks by themselves will run you 3,50. That means for an additional 2,50 you will get an almost complete vehicle...

Something worth considering maybe.

Im still mightily impressed with you custom chapter, I almost got in all of my Deathwing parts as well so soon I will continue on that as well (on that note pop over to my thread, scroll back some and let me know what you think of the Cyclone Missile Terminator ;P).

Can't wait to see what you do with them! And I'll pop on over now and take a look at your stuff once more.

Are you going to use the treadnoughts as a "counts as" unit or are you going to divy up some experimental rules?

Haonn wrote:Are you going to use the treadnoughts as a "counts as" unit or are you going to divy up some experimental rules?

Lol I know very little about proper rules creation, so for now I will keep them as the standard counts as Dreadnought. Just experimental transportation methods, or really just gives them the stronger firebase.

So yup. Standard dreads runnin treads. WOOT!

Alrighty, so BIG update....

Lol alright, maybe not so big.


1) Contacted FW with information about the possible recasting I bought via eBay.

2) Working on Iconography sheet. Bought super sculpy, and gonna try that out for a first.

3) Gonna attempt to obtain plates of slate to make some bases. Just cause I saw a sweet tutorial.

4)Also, gonna make some transfer sheets with the icons as well.

So yup, don't think I'm forgetting about my Mongers, just trying to figure some stuff out haha.

Wow thats a lot to keep you busy there, you are definitley being more productive than I am

Asylum_Inmate wrote:Wow thats a lot to keep you busy there, you are definitley being more productive than I am

Highly doubtful. My 40k Mood swings are terrifically scary, so I have to have lots to work on, and so my progress is GREAT!!!!..... but spread so thin it's very disappointing, especially watching all the other guys on Dakka who are MEGA productive and much better at this stuff than me haha.

BUT it also inspires and brings to light new ideas, so meh!

Well, here's a pic of the icon going on their left shoulder. Right shoulder will be the anvil. Gonna work on a pic of that later.

Opinions? Pretty simple, but will represent each of them being just a piece in the machine.

In my opinion simple its better, if you are painting lots of models, something that is complex will end up doing your head in. Simple wins!

@ Knightley - Well, they won't be painted on is the thing. These ones on the units will be waterslide decals. Need to purchase the paper still though... Should get on that haha.


ALSO, picked up a resin casting kit from Hobby Lobby tonight. Gonna give it a whirl after I get the icons made tomorrow.

So, just tried my hand at super sculpy..... and it was an epic failure.

After carefully looking over the situation, I've come to a decision. I will just be using waterslide decal's for the units rather than sculpt onto them.

I'm not skilled enough to make it myself, and even if I was, it would be too thin and fragile as it was the first time.

And in the grand scheme of things, the army's profile and really their character doesn't include a lot of iconography. They don't really care about showing off who they are, they care about the mission. So just using waterslide decals works better as they'd probably just paint them onto the armor.

yup. so that's out for now. Just makes life simpler in the long run anyways.


HOWEVER, first attempt at making a mold is currently under way. I won't spoil what the bit is, so you will just have to sit and ponder for now!

Working on slate bases. Here is the work so far.

Markillius08 wrote:I like the idea of Nurgle. It's always been my favorite sounding of all the chaos factions.

OH, and I've been looking into my termies. Thinking of using this guys suggestion for making them.

Standard Assault termi box, but you cut the shields in half to form the shoulders. Not bad. Also, just props to this cause it's a SEXY mini.




OH, and I've been thinking about bases. So far, I'm thinking either a desert theme base, an urban theme, a techno-style base, or making some custom 'circuit' bases kinda like this:



The final base would probably be dank, dirtier, partially covered and the lighting would be an inconsistent bright green, thinking of tying it in to the eye color green. Thoughts?

If these guys are cyborgs and are stepping on open currents of electricity wouldnt they like shock these guys or give them more energy?
Modelling wise you could maybe sculpt electicity? dont know how you could do it but itd pay off

Bases update - added flock to slate.


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Alrighty, so I just realized that I may be able to start assembling units tomorrow!!! SWEETNESS!!!

However, haha, I don't have an army list assembled. Looking for help building a chaos marine list running Nurgle units.

For those who don't know, this is the list of available models:

35 x Marines
50 x Bolters w/ CC attachments
2 x LR Achilles (will make them work for standard LR's as well)
2 - 3 x Dreads
No Termies as of yet, but will get some eventually.


ANY suggestions would be welcomed. Thanks!


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Khorne Flakes wrote:

Markillius08 wrote:I like the idea of Nurgle. It's always been my favorite sounding of all the chaos factions.

OH, and I've been looking into my termies. Thinking of using this guys suggestion for making them.

Standard Assault termi box, but you cut the shields in half to form the shoulders. Not bad. Also, just props to this cause it's a SEXY mini.




OH, and I've been thinking about bases. So far, I'm thinking either a desert theme base, an urban theme, a techno-style base, or making some custom 'circuit' bases kinda like this:



The final base would probably be dank, dirtier, partially covered and the lighting would be an inconsistent bright green, thinking of tying it in to the eye color green. Thoughts?

If these guys are cyborgs and are stepping on open currents of electricity wouldnt they like shock these guys or give them more energy?


Modelling wise you could maybe sculpt electicity? dont know how you could do it but itd pay off

Decided to step away from the original base concept, however I will eventually make a game board based off their Forgeworld.

And the current traveling through integrated circuitry in the planets surface, so it's not ACTUALLY exposed. it would be in some places due to damage and age, but beyond that they would be insulated. Also, the mongers armor have been developed and advanced to the point where severe electrical shock is redirected into the armor's internal/external power supply.

But if, say, they were to be exposed to the direct feed from the planets reactors, they would pretty much fry their internal biological parts like fat in a skillet in seconds.

Yup. Not invincible, just damn tough.


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Bases primed. 2nd half of mold poured.

Assmbling my first MONGERS!!!! FEELING GOOD!!!

Here are the bases primed.

Realized after this step that they would have looked a little better with random dirt on them, like the two that I really like have.

I really like the terminator I want 30 of them just for my personnel routine :hugs:
nice thread i really like considered my subbed

Asherian Command wrote:I really like the terminator I want 30 of them just for my personnel routine :hugs:
nice thread i really like considered my subbed

Lol yeah, that termi bout turned this force into a pre-heresy Thousand Suns. But, there's currently 3 threads I'm following doing the same thing, so I'd rather stick with the original idea.

Thanks for the compliments on the thread too! I try to keep it up with the GK thread, been kinda hard since I'd been struggling with the iconography. Now that that's figured out, it's smooth sailing from here on out..... after I figure out a list of units to run..... haha....

FML

Looking great markillius, a little dissapointed that you ditched the tron bases, but i love your new slate ones.

Haonn wrote:Looking great markillius, a little dissapointed that you ditched the tron bases, but i love your new slate ones.

Thanks! I was skeptical at first, but honestly I think they turned out great so far. Right now debating about how to paint them. Can't decide between nice, lighter color and possibly some random patches of grass. Or dark, craggy style desolation.

Suggestion?


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Well, the mold was a ridiculous failure.

Turned out so bad not gonna even post a pic. And unfortunately I used so much of the material that there's not enough to try to make another.

Looks like I have to wait till payday to try again.

Currently assembling the first 4 Mongers as we speak! Also, NETFLIX RULES!

SUCCESS!!!

FIRST MONGERS ASSEMBLED!!!!

Comments?

Here's the last two for the evening. Needing sleep, haha. Hope you like the products of my labor.

COOL!

@ Begel Dverl - Thanks bud! Glad you like them!

Well, finishing up the cleaning of my work room/room. Once that's done, gonna get some more of the Mongers assembled and stuck to their bases. Can't wait to get a decent chunk of them done. THEN THE PAINTING BEGINS!!!

Well, almost got a total of 12 done. Just adding arms.

Here's a special one I just made. He had his arm blown off, but he's still fighting on. Will have the bolter added after the greenstuff dries.

Here's another guys I'm proud of!

Definitely loving the work you've got done on these guys. Been a while since i caught up on this thread. the new guys are looking awesome. love how great everything is fitting together.

dmthomas7 wrote:Definitely loving the work you've got done on these guys. Been a while since i caught up on this thread. the new guys are looking awesome. love how great everything is fitting together.

Thanks bud! Can't wait to take them for a spin against your White Scars!

Well, it's been a good ride, but like all good things the WIP Weekend must come to an end.

Got a lot of work done, and several units assembled. No painting as of yet, but still, just having units is a HUGE improvement.

Here is a picture of what's done so far as well as a close up of each fully assembled unit.

Addon's to come (nades, etc), but for the most part each one is fully assembled. Comments requested!

Some awesome models in there mate!

Really like the armless one, has a quiet character about him

@ Knightley - Thanks bud! He's arguably the one I like most. Can't decide between him or the one pointing.

Theyre nice.

What are you doing with the MkIII heads?

This is what happens when I don't check in on a thread for a couple of days. Really nice work on the assembled models, gotta agree with Knighley the armless one looks really good.

You manage to achieve a lot of character using the basic pieces and very simple yet very effective conversions, a process which I try to use myself whenever I am assemlbing new models.

@ Matrim - Thanks bud! The MK III heads will be interspersed throughout the army. They're just too damn valuable to leave lying around haha.... unless someone needs some and makes me a kind offer haha.

@ Asylum_Inmate - Thanks bud, I appreciate it. And I agree, the armless one is probably my favorite.

And to the second portion of your post, the trick that I'm using with this army is small amounts of greenstuff placed between the army and the torso. This allows a bit more range of motion with the default arms, so more poses that are just a little different each time. THAT, and as you saw with the one pointing and the armless one, cutting the arms apart at or around the joints and using greenstuff to simulate that flexible portion of the armor to make more poses possible.

So I'm going to get the rest of the marines I'm working on to the same point as those posted. Then I'm takin the night off.

Tomorrow we'll see some GK action on my other blog (SEE SIGNATURE), as we'll have more dread stuff arriving haha.

Here they are, the first 10 Iron Mongers. Addon's will follow at a later time, GK's now taking over for the week. And again, comments always wanted!

Also loving the bases. rather simple concept but definitely looks amazing with simple additions

dmthomas7 wrote:Also loving the bases. rather simple concept but definitely looks amazing with simple additions

Thanks! First real attempt at a custom base. And I have to say, though this method is super simple, and super easy, you're very right they come out great! Practically have to force yourself to screw them up haha.

I highly suggest anyone wanting to make quick, sexy lookin bases to use this method. Also, it leaves so much room for added flair. Skulls, grass patches, spent shell casings, bones, dead corpses, blood pools and bloodflows, you can do a LOT with very little time and minimum effort.

You suck.
Those are some of the sweetest conversions i've seen. And i thought that I was pretty decent.
I need to get a decent camera, so that I can start posting some of mine.

@ Skipphag da Devoura - Thanks bud, appreciate the compliment. And don't sell yourself short, you got some kick @$$ stuff. And yes, get a damn camera!!!!

Just got a package in, totally forgot about it haha.

Sweet Steampunk weapons via MaxMini, and sweet apocalypse blades ala Kromleck...kromlech.... whichever haha.

The blades are what are amazing. SO MUCH BETTER THAN WHAT I THOUGHT THEY'D BE!!

The longest ones are the best, and those will probably only go on Darrius Elk. Got a couple potential poses for him in mind.

The other blades are so damn long that they have to go with termies, which i'm not complaining haha. The shorter ones will be fine for the standard marines. Still aweful big, but they're Iron Mongers.... and the monger part requests massive weapons!

They are huuuuuuge, I like it

thats what she said?

*silence*

Hear not the giggidy of the legion, only the sound of your skull crushed beneath their heel as they chorus 'he, ALL RIGHT'

Great models, but the fact that they're stupid loyalists instead of glorious Iron Warriors makes me sad. :( Got spare MK3 helmets?

@ Kepora - DESPITE your dislike of allied Imperium forces, I appreciate the comment haha. And don't worry too much, they don't like other chapters, so they'll kill some smurfs for ya no worries haha.

And yes, plan on having several extras. wantin to trade for somethin? If so please just PM me.

Be sure to kill some of yose yellow bastards, too... >_> <_<

Equal opportunity killers. You get in their way, you oppose their mission, you become a statistic. If you face them, you've already lost the war. It's how they work. Though the outcome of the battle serves little significance.

Dey iz jess a gob o' stinkin' 'ummie mutiez anee-way!
Dey all diez unda me choppa!

Lets see you say that to their clone faces? Green tide, prepare for the endless silence.


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GREAT NEWS!!! I think I missed the delivery of the Achilles Kit today!

Why is that great? BECAUSE ITS IN THE STATES!!!

Prepare for some Mongering of vehicles in the near future. Also, looking to have the addons put on the marines tomorrow and hopefully, key word, have them base-coated by the end of the weekend.

I was right! Got the achilles in at 9:00am!

going to get started cleaning and assembling later this afternoon. Hope to get pics up by this evening!


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ACHILLES ASSEMBLED!!!

Pics coming tomorrow!

Also, look for some painted Mongers to come with it!

WELL, no pics yet haha. Had a good productive day, but that's bout it.

Mongers are based coated, awaiting washes. Pics will be up tomorrow.

Achilles is primed waiting base coat.

Also transferred some paints into dropper bottles for easier mixing and recipe creation.

Hitting the hay cause I feel sickly. Later!

Awsome, I cant wait to see that achilles!

@ Haonn - Let me put it this way. I was skeptical at first. I AM NOT SKEPTICAL IN ANY WAY NOW.

The thing looks VICIOUS!!!

BRING ON THOSE SWEET SWEET PICS!

If you are still planning on using CSM rules as far as Tech marines(ish) things go there are Obliterators...

@ Galorn - Hmm.... I'll have to look into that. Very interesting idea.

But, I forget at the moment, if Obliterators are the ones with all the heavy weapons as part of their bodies, I already have a plan for those that are SICK in concept.... practical application will decide it though.

Thanks for the input! I'll look into it still!

HERE THEY ARE, AS PROMISED!!! MORE PICS COMING TONIGHT SO BE PREPARED!!!


Please, gimme feedback!!!

OH MAH GAWD.

THAT IS AMAZING!

@ Begel Dverl - Thanks! Just got the LR basecoated. Waiting for it to dry really well so that I can begin the arduous and lengthy wash on all my stuff. Might not get it done tonight, but for sure by tomorrow night.

Random thought what are you doing for weapons other then bolters. there aren't too many substitutes for everything else.

@dmthomas7 - Will have other weapons, but bolters are marine bread and butter. Also, with the chainsaw bayonets and old-school stabby bayonets, they don't need close combat weapons as they already have them.

Got the badaab black wash on - gonna have to wait till tomorrow to start the gryphonne sepia as I need to hit the hay or I won't be worth a damn at work tomorrow.

Lemme know what you think!

That tank is going to look amazing. Nice job priming it by the way.

@ 40k Ninja - Thanks! It was truly perfect weather for priming. Sunday was hot and dry in the afternoon, and the primer LITERALLY was dry to touch 30 sec after I finished spraying any part of a model.

Then, 10 min after I was done, it rained haha. Good timing FTW!!!

WOW! that LR really lived up to its promised awsomeness, I cant wait to see it painted, mowing down anything that gets in its way!

Markillius08 wrote:@ Galorn - Hmm.... I'll have to look into that. Very interesting idea.

But, I forget at the moment, if Obliterators are the ones with all the heavy weapons as part of their bodies, I already have a plan for those that are SICK in concept.... practical application will decide it though.

Thanks for the input! I'll look into it still!

Thats them. they "Extrude" new guns each turn. (TL Meltagun,TL Plasmagun, TL Flamer, MultiMelta, Plasma Cannon, Lazcannon)

Markillius08 wrote:@ 40k Ninja - Thanks! It was truly perfect weather for priming. Sunday was hot and dry in the afternoon, and the primer LITERALLY was dry to touch 30 sec after I finished spraying any part of a model.

Then, 10 min after I was done, it rained haha. Good timing FTW!!!

Lucky sod; it's constantly hot and muggy here, I was LUCKY to get a GOOD can of spray paint and actually get my DP primered as well as I was able to (came out too thick in some places 'cause I was fighting the fuzzies. )


(Sorry for the hijacking, but my thread was getting like...NO views. :( )

Haonn wrote:WOW! that LR really lived up to its promised awsomeness, I cant wait to see it painted, mowing down anything that gets in its way!

Agreed! Just wish I could run it in standard games. But it IS a MIGHT BIT overpowered.... very overpowered haha.

Galorn wrote:

Markillius08 wrote:@ Galorn - Hmm.... I'll have to look into that. Very interesting idea.

But, I forget at the moment, if Obliterators are the ones with all the heavy weapons as part of their bodies, I already have a plan for those that are SICK in concept.... practical application will decide it though.

Thanks for the input! I'll look into it still!

Thats them. they "Extrude" new guns each turn. (TL Meltagun,TL Plasmagun, TL Flamer, MultiMelta, Plasma Cannon, Lazcannon)

Lol yeah, then I got a plan. All I will say is ROBOTS who's nanites are experimental.

Kepora wrote:

Markillius08 wrote:@ 40k Ninja - Thanks! It was truly perfect weather for priming. Sunday was hot and dry in the afternoon, and the primer LITERALLY was dry to touch 30 sec after I finished spraying any part of a model.

Then, 10 min after I was done, it rained haha. Good timing FTW!!!

Lucky sod; it's constantly hot and muggy here, I was LUCKY to get a GOOD can of spray paint and actually get my DP primered as well as I was able to (came out too thick in some places 'cause I was fighting the fuzzies. )


(Sorry for the hijacking, but my thread was getting like...NO views. :( )

NOT A PROBLEM WITH A MODEL LIKE THAT!!!

Did you custom mod that?!?! Never seen one like it before. I MUST HAVE ONE!!! Seriously, you must share the secrets of this model with me!

Looks like a kit bash with the daemon prince 40k model, I see the jawbone from the giant, ogre kingdom head, and some other bits .

@ Fosner - Ah, nice. How bout the sword? Anyone able to eyeball that kit?

HERE YOU GO!!!

First coat of Sepia. 2 more to go!

HERE THEY ARE!!! 100% Base coated and looking better than I'd hoped or imagined!!!

Achilles still needs 1 more coat, but that has to wait as it has a lot more surface area to dry.

Throwing in a ton of pics, so lemme know what you think!

Fosner1703 wrote:Looks like a kit bash with the daemon prince 40k model, I see the jawbone from the giant, ogre kingdom head, and some other bits .

*chuckles* Finecast Nurgle Daemon prince. Helmet and the rope/hooks bit are from Ogre Kingdoms, horns are Chaos Warriors, jaws are from the Hellpit Abomination, left shoulderpad's from the metal DP, blades on his left wrist are from skaven clanrats, the plates are from the Blood Angels dreadnoguht kit, the housing for the jump pack is from the Valkyrie, the fan in the back is from a Land Speeder, and the rest is guitar string adna LOT of cutting/greenstuff! He's almost done, I'll actually post the finished model (when I finish it!) if I can get some posts in my thread...

But yeah, the Mongers are looking great so far; they'd certainly make for great-looking trophies after my Iron Warriors grind them under our treads a few times!

@ Kepora - Thanks bud! That's a GREAT model.

And thanks for the comment on the army! And yeah, feel free to grind us under your treads, cause that makes our job so much easier as the nanites will just tear you apart one molocule at a time, or we'll just send in the next batch of clones.

Depends on the mood haha.

Nice washes!

More or less, i keep looking in to this because of the insane amount of money you throw at this project... It wouldent be so interesting with out all ForgWorld stuff. I like the fluff though.

@ Haonn - Lol thats GW for ya! Gryphonne Sepia and Devlan Mud are a godsend!

@ MrTau - Um..... thanks? lol sorry, not sure how to respond. Glad you like the fluff! And after attempting to start 40k 3 times and failing, I finally realized I have to go big or not at all. Just how I get things going I suppose.

Hope I can keep you interested and checking in! (Prefferably with the projects and conversions, not just the expensive tidbits haha)

AWESOME PAINT JAWB!

@ Begel Dverl - Glad you like it!

Feeling lazy tonight, so no pic of the Achilles. BUT, I took Friday off from work, so should get some progress made.


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UPDATE - After closer inspection of the test mini's in comparison to the finished Mongers, decided I did not put on a thick enough wash of badaab black initially.

Proceeded to wash on with a layer of black, and it looks a bit more spot on for what I wanted. Also cuts back on the sheen a tad. Will wash the rest tomorrow as well as the Achilles.

Perfect example of why testing your paint scheme multiple times is a necessity.


ALSO, some things that are in the works that you should keep an eye on the blogs for:

$100 or less - Quest for the Ultimate Hobby Toolbox
All or nothing - A noobs take on buying an Airbrush

WASHES TO TH E RESCUE!

Mayby i should clarify; without forgeworld stuff it would just be a custom chapter with some conversions and great fluff. Now it has a great feel and looks very unike down to the small deatails. Dont get me wrong, i am a fan of this blog.

@ Haonn - YESSIR!! Used to be afraid of washes, but after you use them they are an integral part of any toolbox. It's one of those things that no matter how much you use them, how many purposes you find them to serve, it is an eternal craft of learning and honing the skills. I have a LONG way to go haha, but what's the fun in being BA right off the bat?

@ MrTau - Lol thanks for the clarification! Sorry bout that.

I know just what you mean!

I love the Iron Mongers, you seem to be keeping FW in business with this army

Did you every get anywhere with the tube maker from here? http://www.masq-mini.com/index.php?sprache=2

Keep up the good work!!

tipios wrote:I love the Iron Mongers, you seem to be keeping FW in business with this army

Did you every get anywhere with the tube maker from here? http://www.masq-mini.com/index.php?sprache=2

Keep up the good work!!

Unfortunately, still haven't found someone fluent enough to read the German order form, or translation software that works. I REALLY want to order it, but just can't find the assist needed. Lol don't spose you could help?

I just whatched the video and it looks really cool! I'm gona look into it more and may order, will give you feedback soon.

tipios wrote:I just whatched the video and it looks really cool! I'm gona look into it more and may order, will give you feedback soon.

I feel like an idiot. They added (or I just now noticed) a button to change to english......

Gonna order it now....


....and just did!

THANKS FOR MENTIONING IT BUD!!

Holy crap. This project is awesome. I've read all the pages now, and I love not only the work on the minis themselves, but the fluff as well. Excellent job sir.

Joshh wrote:Holy crap. This project is awesome. I've read all the pages now, and I love not only the work on the minis themselves, but the fluff as well. Excellent job sir.

Glad you like it! Got a bunch of stuff to upload, but being lazy today as the weather has finally given us a break in the heat. Also, working on ideas for Counts as Daemonprince or uber sweet dread. Not sure where it will go at this point, but stay tuned!

Markillius08 wrote:

tipios wrote:I just whatched the video and it looks really cool! I'm gona look into it more and may order, will give you feedback soon.

I feel like an idiot. They added (or I just now noticed) a button to change to english......

Gonna order it now....


....and just did!

THANKS FOR MENTIONING IT BUD!!

Was just gona tell you how to order it, because I just did tooo!!

Well, this will be the last real update for the Mongers for a while, as the Grey Knight's have fallen GROSSLY behind all the imaginary schedules I had thought up haha.

So, to begin with, first pic is of the Achilles as is - only two coats of gryphonne sepia, no second coat of black. Need help deciding colors for weapons and details outside of the kommando khakki sections like on the test models.


It's not as smoothly done as the marines, but I like the look and think it will look even better with a little more tweaking, battle damage, and weathering added.





You can see details really well in standard lighting. Thinking the weapons will probably remain mainly black, possibly an adeptus battlegray drybrushed with boltgun. Any thoughts?


And......


THE SEARCH FOR THE ULTIMATE TOOLBOX!!!

Mission: To consolidate all my tools, bits, WIP's, and various tidbits that I always wish I had when I forget them into one place.


RULES:

1) Has to be a toolbox, can't be an extendable handle and wheel around box.
2) Has to be able to hold my stuff comfortably, but not have a lot of unnecessary space
3) Has to come in under $100 if someone were to start playing 40k or any wargame and need to build a kit from scratch.
4) Has to be secure - no wimpy handles, latches, or weak materials.
5) Has to come with or can fit multiple smaller compartmentalized bits boxes inside.

Additional Concerns:

* Possibly have option for a lock
* Preference for box with built in lid mounted bits box
* BLACK OR PLAIN COLORSCHEME - High Importance so that it can apply to just about any person - some people are color nazi's like me


So, I began my search by taking measure of what I already had, what I was getting, and what I might potentially get.

What I had...

1 x Toolbox (small and only held some basing supplies, glue, tape, and my portable kit (has snips, hobby knife, flat grip pliers, and wire cutters)
3 x Battleforce Boxes holding various NOS or POS bits
2 x NIB GK SS
1 x NIB GK TS
1 x GK Bits Box (approx 14'' L x 9.5'' W x 1.5'' H)
1 x Tradeable Bits Box ( bigger than GK box in all dimensions)

Various other things as well - chain, glues, rubberbands, paper clips, etc. The random office supplies that you always find a need or use for in the moddling world.

So, with that in mind, I started searching for the box via the interwebs.


My friend Skipphga da Devoura has a really nice kit which inspired this whole search, so I started looking around for Stanley boxes like his.

After several hours of looking around on Walmart, Amazon, Ebay, Home Depot, and various other storage specific sites, I found the Stanley 'FATMAX'.


It comes in 2 sizes - 23'' and 28''. Pro's of this box...

DIMENSIONS:

Length: 28 inches
Width: 12.60 inches
Height: 11.60 inches

a) Durable and well made.
b) Heavy duty metal clasps for the lid
c) States it has a 'waterproof seal'
d) Has an internal tray that covers '3/4' of box length

Despite all these sites having the box, Walmart, Home Depot, and Amazon had it cheapest. UNTIL I checked Lowes ($30 and had it in store).

Then, as luck would have it, while searching Lowes, I found this box:


Now, don't let the name fool you. It's the EXACT SAME as the FATMAX 28'' down to the material. Only difference is the nameplate and the color of the seals (orange rather than yellow).
I say luck, because I like the orange better than the yellow. Preferences lol.

Also, the lid has a built in groove for holding lumber that has a ruler printed into the material. Great for making terrain when you need to quickly measure something.


Then, as luck would also have it, I found these while trying to find the FATMAX.


These work PERFECT with the FATMAX. As you can see in the picture below, you can easily fit 5 of these right next to the tray in the box. Also fits my GK bit's box perfectly beside them under the tray.


Why I chose the StackOn 13:

#1 Reason) Works spot on with the FATMAX
#2) Compartments can be made smaller or larger with inserts
#3) Unlike OTHER boxes, it comes with ALL the inserts needed to make all the compartments
#4) Cost like $3.50 each


So... after a 30 min trip to Lowes, the Ultimate Toolbox was assembled for a grand total of:

28'' FATMAX Structural Foam Toolbox - 29.98
13 Compartment Storage Box - (5) 17.40

add tax....

TOTAL: $51.27


Since I already had all the tools needed, I didn't search for prices or anything else as $48.00 will get you snips, a hobby knife, glue, and a lot of other stuff at walmart or hobby lobby easily.

Here are a few configurations I tried with the box just to show you what all it can hold...







And this is what my box looks like now! Hope someone out there finds this useful. You're toolbox is important, and one of your most important tools to have... next to the ACTUAL tools haha. Having an organized and comprehensive toolbox helps. TRUST ME!




ALSO.... Found these 'cut to appropriate length' chains at Hobby Lobby. Got 4 sets of them for $6, and each is 60'' in length. WELL WORTH IT!

If you ant a dark metal look on those landraider guns, maybe try 50:50 of boltgun and chaos black, you can dry brush or paint it on, then drybrush boltgun.

And now you got me looking at tool boxes Thanks for showing how yours turned out, I've been wondering for a while what I needed!!! nice one

tipios wrote:If you ant a dark metal look on those landraider guns, maybe try 50:50 of boltgun and chaos black, you can dry brush or paint it on, then drybrush boltgun.

And now you got me looking at tool boxes Thanks for showing how yours turned out, I've been wondering for a while what I needed!!! nice one

Thanks for the suggestion. That might work really well. Specially with the metalic undertones I'm wanting. Nice call!

And glad I could inspire you to look at building a better toolbox. Far too many times I've had to lug a massive amount of items to and from my residence to the FLGS or my buddies houses, only to realize that I forgot something small that I didn't think I'd need. With a superior toolbox (by comparison to all initial attmepts haha) this problem can be finally eliminated. Seriously, had that thing open all day and never had to go through anything else to find what I needed or wonder where something had gotten tol.

GET ONE!!! Or find one that works for you, but DO IT!!! SOOOOOOOOOOOOO worth the time.

I wold like if the models were a little "cleaner", so mayby you should paint the wepons in a non-rusty mettal?

MrTau wrote:I wold like if the models were a little "cleaner", so maybe you should paint the wepons in a non-rusty mettal?

Yeah, the weapons will be a different color. They will be mainly (on the marines) Boltgun, with the grips and chainsaw bayonets different colored (chains will have black around them for grease and red for gore), but the primary color for the bolter is what's killing me.

I just can't find a complimentary color for the armor that doesn't look odd. I want it to be dark, like a dark blue or a dark grey. I was thinking adeptus battle-grey again, but it seems almost like it would just sink into the background without any real contrasting color. A darkened red is also an option, but I just don't see how I could tie that in to the rest of the army in any cohesive way. Biggest one right now that would probably be best would be to use a green. They will have bright green eyes, but having a darker green for the boltgun would help set that off I think.

Here are some concept art I'd been looking over. What do you think would look best? BIggest thing Is I'd like to keep boltgun in the scheme, or just keep it with metallic-painted parts on the guns.

I think that third one is a paintball marker, and my favorite of the bunch.

1-i wrote:I think that third one is a paintball marker, and my favorite of the bunch.

See, my only worry with red is that there's not really anything else tying it in to the rest of the paint scheme.

Your reasons for not liking the red is the oposite of why I do, unless Ive missed your total paint concept. The darker red I think will help highlight your metal paintjob and bring some wanted debth to the overall scheme. Im also keen on the blue for the same reasons.

1-i wrote:Your reasons for not liking the red is the oposite of why I do, unless Ive missed your total paint concept. The darker red I think will help highlight your metal paintjob and bring some wanted debth to the overall scheme. Im also keen on the blue for the same reasons.

See, I feel like any color i pic for the gun has to do that. It has to contrast with the color of the metal, but still has to have that darker, grunge feel that the metal has as well. I think Red works best like you suggest, because blue and green would kinda fade into the background. Black wouldn't do anything for it either. And straight boltgun washed black will be some of the highlighting and detailing on the marines as a whole, so a straight boltgun....boltgun would just be strange as well.

I believe you're right, red is the best color for the job. But I just wish I could tie it in SOMEHOW to the paint scheme. I just don't see other than possibly doing red eyes or something along those lines being able to add red. Maybe grenades? would those painted red look odd? What about the hip packs? Think those would look alright?

Rusty red grenades sounds like a good idea and really unless you add more bit pieces to your mongers I think that is your best option.

If it were me I would do the boltgun parts and g'nades red base coat then go with your normal metal washes. I would think that would do wonders for the total blend unless you use a bright red color for the base.

1-i wrote:Rusty red grenades sounds like a good idea and really unless you add more bit pieces to your mongers I think that is your best option.

If it were me I would do the boltgun parts and g'nades red base coat then go with your normal metal washes. I would think that would do wonders for the total blend unless you use a bright red color for the base.

Well, another option is to do basecoat in boltgun metal, then wash with badaab black and baal red until it gets really dark. Would have the same metallic style and tint as the armor. OR, I could basecoat in boltgun as usual, then just paint the main portions of the bolter in mechrite red (as it's the dullest yet richest of the GW reds, and still has great color - one of my favorite colors EVER), then wash that with badaab black.

I don't like the idea of basing it red, becuase i don't want it to bleed through the boltgun colored parts. Also, i'm not sure how that would affect the battle damage.

Well, another option is to do basecoat in boltgun metal, then wash with badaab black and baal red until it gets really dark.

That actually sounds like the best idea, that should really blend well with the washes on monger.

Got the mongers washed with black once more. Look MUCH better now.

Updated Titan's Legion as well, so I suggest checking it out!