So I am looking for a good, party based RPG.

I know Final Fantasy XIII (In case thats the wrong number, the one with Lightning, or the newest one) is being hailed as pretty good, but I'm just not sure about it.

Is it fun to play/is the story relevant?

Apparently it has a 20 hour tutorial, and completely linear.

That was enough to make me ignore it.

If you like games, don't play it.

If you want a spectacular looking partially interactive and insanely repetitive film then get it.

There's no 20 hour tutorial, that criticism is leveled at the part of the game that's linear. Or maybe you heard about the last tutorial 20 hours in (when the linear bit finally ends and you can select your party and do sidequests).

Twenty hours and your still running into tutorials? Ouch.

Slarg232 wrote:Twenty hours and your still running into tutorials? Ouch.

It has 3 or 4 disks if i recall correctly too.

Couldn't make it through the first 10 hours. Tons of useless exposition and needlessly complicated interactions between historical powers/gods/esper-things.

FF just keeps going downhill imo, most recent one I liked was 12, even though some of the character designs were... meh.

corpsesarefun wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:Twenty hours and your still running into tutorials? Ouch.

It has 3 or 4 disks if i recall correctly too.

That doesn't bother me too much, Legend of Dragoon, my second favorite RPG EVAR had 4.

I quite like the theory I heard someone there square enix hate making videogames so make worse games each time so they will make a big enough loss to use as an excuse for purely making movies.

I don't play FF games.

Can't have more than one FINAL thing, can you?

Battle Brother Lucifer wrote:I don't play FF games.

Can't have more than one FINAL thing, can you?

final fantasy

final fantasy 2: K this is the final one...

final fantasy 3: No seriously this time it ends

final fantasy 4: haa you guys fell for it! but this really is the last one

..

final fantasy 13: we leik ur moneh

Actually, the reason he first called it Final Fantasy was because it was supposed to be the dude's last, or final, game.

Of course, as you say, we all know how that turned out.

I still dislike the games and JRPG's in general

Though this is mostly because I like grimdark.

Slarg232 wrote:Actually, the reason he first called it Final Fantasy was because it was supposed to be the dude's last, or final, game.

Of course, as you say, we all know how that turned out.

I know. They could have changed the name

At least CaF is being honest. Even so, you can't take the opinion of someone who doesn't like JRPGs. It's like asking a Democrat if Sarah Palin has ever said anything remotely intelligent. But if you like JRPGs, this game is spectacular!

Manchu wrote:At least CaF is being honest. Even so, you can't take the opinion of someone who doesn't like JRPGs. It's like asking a Democrat if Sarah Palin has ever said anything remotely intelligent. But if you like JRPGs, this game is spectacular!

This is true.

All I get out of it is a passing "oooh" at the cgi before going back to bioshock.

Manchu wrote:At least CaF is being honest. Even so, you can't take the opinion of someone who doesn't like JRPGs. It's like asking a Democrat if Sarah Palin has ever said anything remotely intelligent. But if you like JRPGs, this game is spectacular!

No it isn't. There are a metric ton of better JRPGs than ff13.

That said, I really liked the guy with the chocobo in his hair.

He keeps a chocobo in his hair, I mean... goddamn.

Play Blue Dragon, that game was awesome.

WARBOSS TZOO wrote:

Manchu wrote:At least CaF is being honest. Even so, you can't take the opinion of someone who doesn't like JRPGs. It's like asking a Democrat if Sarah Palin has ever said anything remotely intelligent. But if you like JRPGs, this game is spectacular!

No it isn't. There are a metric ton of better JRPGs than ff13.

That said, I really liked the guy with the chocobo in his hair.

He keeps a chocobo in his hair, I mean... goddamn.

Well theres your answer right there! A fething Chocobo in his hair!


I havnt enjoyed a FF game since X or 10 or whatever its suppose to be, I dont know I really dont care mainly because I know our numbers in America are off by alot to the Japanese versions. But even at X, I just HATED how they made characters. Orin was the only one I visually liked. He was like, Robert Downy Jr, with a big ass sword that did the first over 9999dmg Ive ever seen in the series. Infact the last time I liked the character design was in 7, after that they looked way to feminine and un realistic. Oh so that guy has "heavy" armor? Hes the tank? But he has very weedy arms, so he ouldnt possibly hold THAT up, AND his "heavy armor" is a thong, and some leather straps? Interesting.....


Ill skip it, I just cant bring myself to play those games anymore. Im glad that Bethesda has been keeping REAL RPGs alive

I have played them all and have enjoyed most of them to some extent. FF13 however was a travesty. I would convince you to play it if I could, but sadly the game is crap. If you are looking for a decent RPG, go back a few years and play Lost Odyssey on the 360.

Final Fantasy was just horrid. It was so bad, that I don't even feel like listing on the things I hated about it. Now if you never played a Final Fantasy game and enjoy a very linear game with secret treasure chests being 10 foot off the linear path, then go for it. If you are a fan of FF, stay away from it. Then again if you was a fan of FF you would have already played it and hated it.

I got about 7 hours into it before I took it back and sold it for $45.00.

KingCracker wrote:

WARBOSS TZOO wrote:

Manchu wrote:At least CaF is being honest. Even so, you can't take the opinion of someone who doesn't like JRPGs. It's like asking a Democrat if Sarah Palin has ever said anything remotely intelligent. But if you like JRPGs, this game is spectacular!

No it isn't. There are a metric ton of better JRPGs than ff13.

That said, I really liked the guy with the chocobo in his hair.

He keeps a chocobo in his hair, I mean... goddamn.

Well theres your answer right there! A fething Chocobo in his hair!


I havnt enjoyed a FF game since X or 10 or whatever its suppose to be, I dont know I really dont care mainly because I know our numbers in America are off by alot to the Japanese versions. But even at X, I just HATED how they made characters. Orin was the only one I visually liked. He was like, Robert Downy Jr, with a big ass sword that did the first over 9999dmg Ive ever seen in the series. Infact the last time I liked the character design was in 7, after that they looked way to feminine and un realistic. Oh so that guy has "heavy" armor? Hes the tank? But he has very weedy arms, so he ouldnt possibly hold THAT up, AND his "heavy armor" is a thong, and some leather straps? Interesting.....


Ill skip it, I just cant bring myself to play those games anymore. Im glad that Bethesda has been keeping REAL RPGs alive

I agree with that; FF "Men" are all far too scrawny to be in their roles.....

Hmmm, not giving me much hope here guys. Looks like I am stuck with waiting for Skyrim.

Slarg232 wrote:I agree with that; FF "Men" are all far too scrawny to be in their roles.....

A challenger appears!

Anyway, I love JRPGs and was profoundly disappointed in the battle system in FFXIII. If I want to mash buttons that wildly I'll play Galaga.

Monster Rain wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:I agree with that; FF "Men" are all far too scrawny to be in their roles.....

A challenger appears!

Anyway, I love JRPGs and was profoundly disappointed in the battle system in FFXIII. If I want to mash buttons that wildly I'll play Galaga.

Challenge withdrawn!

Am i the only 1 here who has partly enjoyed FF13??

I mean it sure isnt the best FF game but I still enjoy it the very little i play of it, too many other games plus uni/warhammer stuff keep me distracted.

If I want to mash buttons that wildly I'll play Galaga.

Since when does FF13 require button bashing?? A couple of presses on A and a few movement is hardly button bashing, sure the Y button is pressed but very rarely. The combat is pretty gd imo as its not a case of sit and wait for the entire bar to fill, every 3rd or so can unleash 1 attack/spell.

I will admit though it shouldnt have had Final Fantasy slapped on the case as it does fail in comparison to other FF games, but i still enjoy it none the less.

Kingdom Hearts > Final Fantasy.

Yeah, I went there.

corpsesarefun wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:Twenty hours and your still running into tutorials? Ouch.

It has 3 or 4 disks if i recall correctly too.

PS3 version has less if I recall correctly.

Anyways game informer talked about the characters in the game and said that out of your entire party there is only one character that really shines. In fact they really hate one of the characters because he/she/it uses a fething boomerang as a weapon.

Overall not a good game in terms of just about anything, its really quite mediocre in what it tries to do and the basics of the story is just about the same as the other FF's. Totalitarian ruler in a city, people rebell, ruler fights back with technology, and the people use super magic nature powers to stop it.

The PS3 edition has one Bluray disc. There is no significant instance of button mashing. Whether the story telling is interesting is a matter of opinion (those who think there are better contemporary JRPGs should list them). What is certain is that the characters are extremely well-developed. FF games since 7 have rung hollow for me, especially XII. IMO, FFXIII was a novel experience and well worth the launch price. If you are looking for anything but a JRPG, however, you will be disappointed. If you ae hungry for a salad, you don't eat a steak.

I think FFVII ruined me.

It was the high water mark for RPGs. Everything else since then has seemed like a pale comparison.

Manchu wrote:Whether the story telling is interesting is a matter of opinion (those who think there are better contemporary JRPGs should list them).

Resonance of Fate, off the top of my head. Besides that, give me a period of time that you'd consider contemporary, and I'll give you a list.

If we're saying the last ten years, I'd break the screen with the number of better JRPGs. For instance, every single game by Nippon Ichi.

The chief problem with FF13 is that it's missing the whole game part of the RPG acronym. You don't make any choices of any significance. You can easily get through every battle by pushing one button, and if you can't get through the battle by doing that, the solution is to go back and grind.

If it weren't for the graphics, it would be entirely without merit. It is remarkably pretty.

Monster Rain wrote:I think FFVII ruined me.

It was the high water mark for RPGs. Everything else since then has seemed like a pale comparison.

I agree. It was a fantastic game. I still dont get it when people say how terrible the game was. Yea, now a days the graphics are bad, Im talking really bad. But back in the they were pretty top notch, I mean they characters had pupils for christ sakes!

But yea, after 7, specially the Final Fantasy games, good rpgs are a bit tough to find. As I stated above, Im glad Bethesda has kept the flame burning, because they make really good rpgs, period.

I'll take your not understanding people when they say how terrible the game was and raise you not understanding people when they say it was fantastic. The characters are either cliches or unbelievable. The story is incredibly derivative. The gameplay is, at first (and second, and third) glance not a hell of a lot different from any of the other FFs prior.

Leaving the graphics aside (I thought the characters were lego up until about halfway through, so I'm probably not the best judge of what good graphics on the early gen of PS1 games are), I really do not understand the love.

Monster Rain wrote:I think FFVII ruined me.

It was the high water mark for RPGs. Everything else since then has seemed like a pale comparison.

That is kind of sad considering that VII was the mediocre point of the FF games when looking at all of them.

If you want something different and isn't like the other FF games I recommend XII. It is real time and plays different than any other FF game. It's either a love it or hate game it seems.

Ahtman wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:I think FFVII ruined me.

It was the high water mark for RPGs. Everything else since then has seemed like a pale comparison.

That is kind of sad considering that VII was the mediocre point of the FF games when looking at all of them.

If you want something different and isn't like the other FF games I recommend XII. It is real time and plays different than any other FF game. It's either a love it or hate game it seems.

Love. If only for some deliciously over the top dialogue it had. Honestly, if some of the character designs were better it would have been a really great game.


Also, FFT is the best the best Final Fantasy game. It's been objectively proven with real science.

Slarg232 wrote:I know Final Fantasy XIII (In case thats the wrong number, the one with Lightning, or the newest one) is being hailed as pretty good

By who?

Frankly the game is worse than FFX, which was already pretty damn bad. FFXIII is a constipation log ontop of a pile of gooey normal poo inside of a tub of diarrhea crap.

Aside from Fang and Lightning, frankly the characters were pretty stupid and most of the time even damned unlikable. Sazh to a lesser extent, but Vanille is a total pain in the ass with an obnoxious attitude that is , Snow is an obnoxious twit who acts like a seven year old put into the body of a twenty year old and given a constant sugar high, and Hope... fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

Wow, I'm going to feel stupid for saying I thought it was really good now

Most of it might have been because the graphics were so prettyful, but I enjoyed it. It starts a bit slowly, but once you're into it I really liked it. I dip in and out of the FF series (played 2,4,7,10,13) but 13 is making me want to at least try the next one without a doubt.

Hope ruined the game for me. Just thinking about him makes me want to cut someone's gut open and strangle them with their own entrails. No one character in a game should turn me into a Khorne worshipper.

Ahtman wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:I think FFVII ruined me.

It was the high water mark for RPGs. Everything else since then has seemed like a pale comparison.

That is kind of sad considering that VII was the mediocre point of the FF games when looking at all of them.

As sad as being an insufferable hipster? That statement is demonstrably false. How many other Final Fantasy games spawned characters so beloved that they ended up in several other games and had feature-length movies made based on them? It's the best selling title in the series.

Cue response about popularity not being an indicator of quality in 5.... 4.... 3...

Ahtman wrote:If you want something different and isn't like the other FF games I recommend XII. It is real time and plays different than any other FF game. It's either a love it or hate game it seems.

Hate it.

I would agree with Monster Rain for once. FFVII was one of the best FF games in the series. A matter of taste to say if it was actually the best, but certainly without FFVII's awesomeness, there would not have really been this many FF sequels.

Of what I've played . . .

FFIII: liked it
FFIV: loved it
FFV: didn't like it enough to finish it
FFVI: loved it
FFVII: loved it
FFVIII: hated it
FFXII: hated it
FFXIII: loved it

It's the same ing thing as the rest of the crappy series. I haven't enjoyed a final fantasy since they went 3D. The third, fourth and sixth were the best, IMO.

FF7 is a fanboy's wet dream, and nothing more. It's a crappy game with a crappy story and crappy gameplay. I defend this opinion with my life.

Although, I did like that FF12 for the DS where it was an RTS. Really good. Probably the best portable RTS there is.

Monster Rain wrote:Cue response about popularity not being an indicator of quality in 5.... 4.... 3...

No, no, I agree! May I suggest that we dine at McDonalds later? They do provide, after all, the best-selling burger in the world.

But....thats only because there is a McDonalds within 1 mile of every trailer park in the world. Seriously, look it up, youll see Im right.

It's probably the most cinematic game ever made, but if that doesn't matter to you, don't even bother with it. It's possibly one of the easiest games I've ever played, it's extremely linear (even down to character progression), and the storyline and characters are somewhat unremarkable. However, it's probably the closest a game has come to having cinematic-quality camera angles, coreography, and voice acting/dubbing. That's enough for some people to enjoy it, but not enough to me.

This is a horrible place to ask people to recommend you a JRPG. The majority of Dakkanauts are confined strictly to western RPGs, for whatever reason.

WARBOSS TZOO wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:Cue response about popularity not being an indicator of quality in 5.... 4.... 3...

No, no, I agree! May I suggest that we dine at McDonalds later? They do provide, after all, the best-selling burger in the world.

Way to avoid the other points I made.

I hope you don't think I'm uncool when I say that McDonald's is great for what it is.

Right, every first world country needs its cardboard burgers so the little people have something to eat that doesn't rely on horrible untalented and untrained home cooking.

Meh.

I'm classically trained and I don't mind a Big Mac now and then.

Monster Rain wrote:

WARBOSS TZOO wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:Cue response about popularity not being an indicator of quality in 5.... 4.... 3...

No, no, I agree! May I suggest that we dine at McDonalds later? They do provide, after all, the best-selling burger in the world.

Way to avoid the other points I made.

Because they're irrelevant. The only thing that was exceptional about FF7, even at release, was the graphics. The story and the characters and everything else had already been done to death, even just in the FF series.

Monster Rain wrote:Meh.

I'm classically trained and I don't mind a Big Mac now and then.

Now that I agree with, as much as I hate McDonalds in all their McNasty-ness. A BigMac is just tasty

Meh, I can't stand any of the cardboard burger options in micky ds.

Anything but the specialty burgers there have been ruined for me ever since they started putting so much damn pepper on it.

WARBOSS TZOO wrote:Because they're irrelevant.

They most certainly were not irrelevant.

The characters were reprised in several other games and a movie was made to continue the "derivative" story. Feel free to not like it, but it's pretty obvious when someone is just being a hipster.

WARBOSS TZOO wrote:The only thing that was exceptional about FF7, even at release, was the graphics. The story and the characters and everything else had already been done to death, even just in the FF series

http://www.gamespot.com/ps/rpg/finalfantasy7/review.html
http://psx.ign.com/articles/150/150494p1.html

Some reviews of the game from the time it was released. I think we can safely say that you don't have the vaguest idea what you're talking about.

KingCracker wrote:Now that I agree with, as much as I hate McDonalds in all their McNasty-ness. A BigMac is just tasty

It's the only thing I eat there. Well, other than the fries. Their fries' deliciousness is beyond my ability to describe.

Monster Rain wrote:Their fries' deliciousness is beyond my ability to describe.

Indeed. Best fries now that Wendy's went and ruined theirs.

Ugh. Mcdonald's fries are the worst fries ever made.

Now Wingstop's fries? feth yeah.

Melissia wrote:Ugh. Mcdonald's fries are the worst fries ever made.

Now Wingstop's fries? feth yeah.

I know that you like hyperbole, but McDonald's are far from the worst even if you're not a fan of the chain. White Castle can be objectively proven to have the worst fries with real science.

Never been to Wingstop though. If I see one I'm going to attempt to verify your claims.

Only on Dakka Dakka can a thread about a video game somehow turn into a conversation about using "real science" to prove who makes the worst fries in the world

Monster Rain wrote:Some reviews of the game from the time it was released. I think we can safely say that you don't have the vaguest idea what you're talking about.

The overall plot of FF7 is a carbon copy of FF6. The characters are, in their entirety, caricatures and cliches. The only reason it's so beloved is that it was the first, best marketted, 3d RPG.

lolololololololololol videogame journalism.

WARBOSS TZOO wrote:FF6

Best.

FF.

Game.

EVER.

I don't get the trash talk about VII either. I could understand if you played it for the first time only a few years ago, but it was a pretty awesome game when it came out. The same could be said of Xenogears, but I am still enjoying it on PSN.

Monster Rain wrote:As sad as being an insufferable hipster?

You shouldn't talk about Cloud like that. Just kidding, he is an insufferable emo hipster.

Monster Rain wrote:That statement is demonstrably false. How many other Final Fantasy games spawned characters so beloved that they ended up in several other games and had feature-length movies made based on them? It's the best selling title in the series.

Cue response about popularity not being an indicator of quality in 5.... 4.... 3...

The reason you get that response is becuase it is true. The reality is that if popularity were a measure FFXI has outgrossed FFVII and been played consistently far longer.

Ahtman wrote:If you want something different and isn't like the other FF games I recommend XII. It is real time and plays different than any other FF game. It's either a love it or hate game it seems.

Hate it.

Ahtman wrote:For it's time it was a decent game and for many was baby's first RPG (thus the nostalgiagasm for it) but it hasn't aged well at all.

It wasn't my first RPG.

Either way, talking about it's "aging well" and other non-statements really don't serve much of a purpose. You don't like it, I (and many others) do.

Actually it does serve a purpose, and it isn't a non-statement. Some works are of their time and some are timeless. FFVII worked at the time but has aged poorly. There still NES games that have held up to the the passage of time better than VII. I also didn't say I didn't like VII, just that in the scheme of Final Fantasy games, it is a mediocre entry.

Lord Scythican wrote:I don't get the trash talk about VII either. I could understand if you played it for the first time only a few years ago, but it was a pretty awesome game when it came out. The same could be said of Xenogears, but I am still enjoying it on PSN.

FF7 wasn't bad, it just doesn't live up to the hype for some of us. I just found a lot of it be just plain bland. There were games with more interesting evil empires, more interesting insane villains, more interesting worlds, more interesting casts, just more interesting everything. I'll give it credit for fun mini games, a solid soundtrack, and solid art direction outside some of the character designs. I just felt like I had seen most of what was in FF7 done before, and done better.

Heck, even FF7s biggest claim to fame (Spoiler Alert: Aeries Dies!) just didn't impact me. The character was just so bland and forgettable, it had no affect it was like "Uh so...?". Phantasy Star 4's Alys Bragwin was a far shorter lived character but managed to have much more personality and a better handled death scene. You went into Lufia II knowing that Maxim & Selan were going to die at the end, yet the game still managed to make it feel like a shock. Those are just two examples from before FF7.


I never even managed to finish FF7, despite a few tries. I always wound up getting to the Chocobo Racing, finding that far more fun than actual game and then wound up moving on to something else when I was done with it.

Ah, Lufia!

Now THERE is a game that stands the test of time. Both of its games (what? No, there's no game outside of the two, what are you talking about?) are better than the FF series.

Monster Rain wrote:

Melissia wrote:Ugh. Mcdonald's fries are the worst fries ever made.

Now Wingstop's fries? feth yeah.

I know that you like hyperbole, but McDonald's are far from the worst even if you're not a fan of the chain.

For me, it wasn't hyperbole.

fething soggy ass mcdonald's fries. can't stand them.

They shouldn't be soggy.

Maybe your region's McDonald's just suck?

Monster Rain wrote:They shouldn't be soggy.

Maybe your region's McDonald's just suck?

They were soggy in California too, and in Nevada...

I wouldn't call McDonald's fries soggy so much as as Greasy and Limp. They're not exactly wet exactly but they've got no backbone and absorb way more of the frying oil than any fry has any right to.

EDIT: No way Lufia 1 is better than whole of the FF series, especially not Tactics. Lufia 1 was just OK.

I don't really consider Tactics as part of the main FF series. Nut then, I also don't consider Tactics Advance to be part of the Tactics series either...

It's not like it's a series in anything more than name.

It would probably be more accurate to say I don't even consider FFT Advance. I prefer to delude myself into thinking it doesn't exist. It helps me cope with my day, the thought of a worl dwhich doesn't have Tactics Advance.

Melissia wrote:It would probably be more accurate to say I don't even consider FFT Advance. I prefer to delude myself into thinking it doesn't exist. It helps me cope with my day, the thought of a worl dwhich doesn't have Tactics Advance.

Huh, I rather enjoyed Tactics advance on the Gameboy advance.

Wasn't the greatest thing I have played, but it was rather fun.

I loved FFTA. Marche was such a complete dick.

XII is pretty damn good compared to XIII.

Chongara wrote:FF7 wasn't bad, it just doesn't live up to the hype for some of us. I just found a lot of it be just plain bland. There were games with more interesting evil empires, more interesting insane villains, more interesting worlds, more interesting casts, just more interesting everything. I'll give it credit for fun mini games, a solid soundtrack, and solid art direction outside some of the character designs. I just felt like I had seen most of what was in FF7 done before, and done better.

Heck, even FF7s biggest claim to fame (Spoiler Alert: Aeries Dies!) just didn't impact me. The character was just so bland and forgettable, it had no affect it was like "Uh so...?". Phantasy Star 4's Alys Bragwin was a far shorter lived character but managed to have much more personality and a better handled death scene. You went into Lufia II knowing that Maxim & Selan were going to die at the end, yet the game still managed to make it feel like a shock. Those are just two examples from before FF7.

Much of the hype is post 1997 though and actually further into the 2000's. I don't remember many people over-hyping the game when it came out but this was sort of before the internet days really caught on. I still really liked it when it came out. There wasn't too many games that you could invest 100 hours into, which is nothing compared to a few games out today.

Mind you, I hate the tendency of Japanese games to have toddlers as heroes. Meh.

FFVII is the best. Haven't played XIII but i think its the worst rated FF of all of them.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:FFVII is the best. Haven't played XIII but i think its the worst rated FF of all of them.

Even better than VI? But yeah, XIII is the worse. I would rather play X-2.

Lord Scythican wrote:Even better than VI? But yeah, XIII is the worse. I would rather play XIII-2.

??





I have enjoyed all of them except for VIII, although I have not played IX.

/shrug

Lord Scythican wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:FFVII is the best. Haven't played XIII but i think its the worst rated FF of all of them.

Even better than VI? But yeah, XIII is the worse. I would rather play X-2.

I actually finished X-2.

Can't say the same for XIII.

kirsanth wrote:

Lord Scythican wrote:Even better than VI? But yeah, XIII is the worse. I would rather play XIII-2.

??





I have enjoyed all of them except for VIII, although I have not played IX.

/shrug

I see what you did there.

IX was pretty good, but the graphics look a little dated. I am going to try it again with the smoothing option on the PS3.

Monster Rain wrote:

Lord Scythican wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:FFVII is the best. Haven't played XIII but i think its the worst rated FF of all of them.

Even better than VI? But yeah, XIII is the worse. I would rather play X-2.

I actually finished X-2.

Can't say the same for XIII.

Wow, you finished that game?! You are better than me.

Melissia wrote:Ugh. Mcdonald's fries are the worst fries ever made.

Now Wingstop's fries? feth yeah.

No idea what Wingstop is, but yea, McDonalds fries are just horrid. I love AppleBees fries personally. Ive honestly went there just to eat their fries.

Applebee's? Everytime I've gone there, the food has been horrid, and I've ended up sending something simple (like Salad, or an appetizer) back to the cool because it was awful. Same with chili's. They've always dissapointed.

Macdonald's fries are GOD. I love them. Checker's/rally's has really good fries, IMO.

KingCracker wrote:

Melissia wrote:Ugh. Mcdonald's fries are the worst fries ever made.

Now Wingstop's fries? feth yeah.

No idea what Wingstop is, but yea, McDonalds fries are just horrid. I love AppleBees fries personally. Ive honestly went there just to eat their fries.

Wingstop is exactly what the name says. It's a hotwings place, which has some FANTASTIC cajun style fries. It's a US establishment though, mostly in Cal and Tex.

Best fries ever exist in Burger Time.


I am reading this topic still, I just don't have much to add and therfore just reading other peoples opinions. That's why I haven't posted in it in a while

I don't get what anyone saw in FFXII. By contrast, I understand why some don't like FFXIII.

Manchu wrote:I don't get what anyone saw in FFXII. By contrast, I understand why some don't like FFXIII.

FFXII had a very unique battle system with a ton of unlockable AI customization options, an open-ended leveling system, a great soundtrack written by one of the best composers in the business, unique character design, a huge open-ended world, and a decent politically-driven storyline (which hadn't been seen in ages). Any excuse to return to Ivalice is a good one (even if it wasn't the far superior FFT-era Ivalice). The only complaints that I find valid are that the characters weren't very well-developed (not that they had to be in the context of the game), and there wasn't much to do in the game outside of participating in combat.

FFXIII's combat system was extremely simplified in comparison to XII (Dumbed-down AI with practically no options to set, control over only a single character, and the ability to get through the entire game by simply mashing the 'Auto' function). The leveling system was a completely linear version of the Sphere Grid from X. The soundtrack couldn't even come close to anything written by Nobuo Uematsu or Hitoshi Sakimoto. The characters were mostly annoying or uninspired (The only character I really liked at all was Sazh). The game was completely linear until Chapter 12(?); you basically spent the entire game running through fancy hallways, and since the entire world is out to kill you, there is a very depressing lack of towns or NPC interaction. The storyline is actually decent (even though most of it is conveyed to you through a read-only datalog, which is unacceptable form), but since it's driven by characters that I hate, that brings it down a notch.

The only thing that FFXIII really has going for it is that it is extremely cinematic. That's it. FFXII is a far superior game from any conceivable angle. It might not be a superior interactive movie, but that's not the point.

You're acting as if "cinematic" is good.

This is a video game. feth cinematic, I want to actually play the fething game.

The Metal Gear series has the same problem, they want to tell their convoluted, fethed up mind-screw of a badly written story so bad that they forget that they're making a game instead of a movie.

Chrysaor686 wrote:

Manchu wrote:I don't get what anyone saw in FFXII. By contrast, I understand why some don't like FFXIII.

FFXII had a very unique battle system with a ton of unlockable AI customization options, an open-ended leveling system, a great soundtrack written by one of the best composers in the business, unique character design, a huge open-ended world, and a decent politically-driven storyline (which hadn't been seen in ages). Any excuse to return to Ivalice is a good one (even if it wasn't the far superior FFT-era Ivalice). The only complaints that I find valid are that the characters weren't very well-developed (not that they had to be in the context of the game), and there wasn't much to do in the game outside of participating in combat.

Melissia wrote:You're acting as if "cinematic" is good.

This is a video game. feth cinematic, I want to actually play the fething game.

The Metal Gear series has the same problem, they want to tell their convoluted, fethed up mind-screw of a badly written story so bad that they forget that they're making a game instead of a movie.

Avoid the Star Ocean games on the PS2 and further. I also agree that there are to many cinematic in some games and not enough gaming.

The first Metal Gear game was the best.

As to final fantasy, 6 is great, I liked 7 a tonne, and it was my first RPG so yes, nostalgia plays a part. The sheer scale of some of the fights though- that was something new, that was a real experience! First time you fight the giant snake, or weapon...
I hated 8, it was horrendous.
9 I really enjoyed, it had a lot of good elements, then it gaks itself at the end.
10 I could never play because I hated the characters, and then I just gave up on the series.

I liked eight, modesty speaking, but nine, seven, and everything before seven were definitely better. Ten is only surpassed by thirteen in horridness.

Melissia wrote:You're acting as if "cinematic" is good.

This is a video game. feth cinematic, I want to actually play the fething game.

The Metal Gear series has the same problem, they want to tell their convoluted, fethed up mind-screw of a badly written story so bad that they forget that they're making a game instead of a movie.

It can be good, from certain perspectives. It's certainly an achievement, at the very least. However, if I seem supportive of FFXIII at all, then you must've misread my argument completely. I said that the only good thing about FFXIII is that it manages to be the most cinematic game ever made. If that matched your particular interests, you'd probably enjoy it. Since it doesn't, you won't. Simple as that.

Melissia wrote:I liked eight, modesty speaking, but nine, seven, and everything before seven were definitely better. Ten is only surpassed by thirteen in horridness.

Purely from a gameplay perspective, FFVIII fixed every conceivable problem that a person could have with the JRPG genre, and it's intricate and ingenious system is why it remains my favorite JRPG to this day. The quality of the story is up for debate, but the actual gameplay system is a shining example of brilliance in game design. Even if you hate some of the changes from the classic Final Fantasy structure, you have to concede to their ingenuity.

FFIX was a gigantic step backwards in terms of gameplay, but it was perhaps the most nostalgic game ever made. That was one of it's few merits, as nearly nothing about IX was original whatsoever. It was a clusterfeth of Final Fantasy and other unrelated media and cultural references.

Also, what was so awful about X? The return of the turn-based system opened up new opportunities for genuine strategy, the leveling system was entirely unique, the storyline was easily one of Final Fantasy's best yet, the world was very original and inspired, not to mention all of the other awesome things that came along with the transition to the PS2. How could you possibly see it as worse than III? Or V? Or XI?

Chrysaor686 wrote:Purely from a gameplay perspective, FFVIII made every conceivable problem that a person could have with the JRPG genre WORSE

I want to actually control my fething characters, not just sit around pointing them in the vague direction of the enemy and gi8ve hints on what they might possibly want to do.

The old turn-based ones were better, at least they let you control your entire party instead of just sit there watching them do everything for you.

Chrysaor686 wrote:

Manchu wrote:I don't get what anyone saw in FFXII. By contrast, I understand why some don't like FFXIII.

FFXII had a very unique battle system with a ton of unlockable AI customization options, an open-ended leveling system, a great soundtrack written by one of the best composers in the business, unique character design, a huge open-ended world, and a decent politically-driven storyline (which hadn't been seen in ages). Any excuse to return to Ivalice is a good one (even if it wasn't the far superior FFT-era Ivalice). The only complaints that I find valid are that the characters weren't very well-developed (not that they had to be in the context of the game), and there wasn't much to do in the game outside of participating in combat.

6 was by far my favorite, and 7 seemed like a terrible story knockoff of 6, but much worse. Kefka, imo, was a much better developed character than Sephiroth ever was.

Also, I totally agree with this critique of 12. Character designs were pretty lulzy at times, but the story was something new and different besides "big bad getting crystals, must stop", and it also had a very unique combat system, which I think was leaps and bouts ahead of 13.

I wouldn't call seven a knockoff of six. It had similarities, but all FF games have similarities between eachother.

Not that I'm saying six isn't better than seven.

Melissia I hope your talking about XIII since VIII lets you control all 3 party members in battle but since you qouted VIII your post is confusing at best.

I actually like the idea of the XIII battle system I just didn't like the execution. I couldn't find any valid reason as to why I couldn't control all of my characters under the current system. Maybe the developers thought it would be too hard, but as it is now the battles can get boring as you watch 2/3 of your party do everything for you.

The other main problem I had with XIII was the severe lack of customization compared to most of the other FFs. I understand the idea that certain characters may be better at tanking or magic than others, but the weapon upgrade system was boring as hell and the game pretty much dictated exactly how every character was to be used.

Combine that with the no exploration gameplay and the entire game just felt like I was moving the characters from one cinematic to the next. - Insert Heavy Rain pun here -

Edit: And the Summons, one of the signiture elements of FF, were plain awful

Yes, I was talking about XIII.

Melissia wrote:

Chrysaor686 wrote:Purely from a gameplay perspective, FFVIII made every conceivable problem that a person could have with the JRPG genre WORSE

I want to actually control my fething characters, not just sit around pointing them in the vague direction of the enemy and gi8ve hints on what they might possibly want to do.

The old turn-based ones were better, at least they let you control your entire party instead of just sit there watching them do everything for you.

I thought you could control them in VIII? Are you sure you are not talking about XIII?

I JUST pointed that out in my post just 2 posts above you. And Melissia said right above you that she was talking about XIII not VIII

Noir Eternal wrote:I JUST pointed that out in my post just 2 posts above you. And Melissia said right above you that she was talking about XIII not VIII

Dude calm down. When I replied I didn't realize there was a page four. My mistake. Of course I had that page open for over and hour before I hit Submit. Sometimes I wish these forums had a warning that there have been posts since you read the thread.

Lol I am calm I was more of making fun of the fact of how funny it was that you posted a question that already had an answer right above you. I was far from trying to yell at you, I don't care that much on the internet lol

Edit: However next time ill make sure to throw in a few Lawls in the post to make sure people know I am merely joking and not half as serious as I may sound. My Avatar is of a fox sticking his tongue on a window, how serious can you be with that?

Noir Eternal wrote:Lol I am calm I was more of making fun of the fact of how funny it was that you posted a question that already had an answer right above you. I was far from trying to yell at you, I don't care that much on the internet lol

Edit: However next time ill make sure to throw in a few Lawls in the post to make sure people know I am merely joking and not half as serious as I may sound. My Avatar is of a fox sticking his tongue on a window, how serious can you be with that?

Nice. Yeah you are right. The internet can be finicky at times.

For what it is worth, that was definiately a Lawl moment for me. If I can a reply window up for more than an hour, I probably should check the thread again before I hit submit.

Melissia wrote:Yes, I was talking about XIII.

I figured as much. Trust me, I wouldn't defend FFXIII so readily.

FFVIII, on the other hand, was absolute genius to people who were sick of all of the JRPG standards that had been set in stone, but didn't want too much of a change from the basic system.

You never have to grind for any reason (though it's helpful if you want to), the magic system is actually balanced (unlike nearly every MP-based system), the character/GF progression allows you full control over your character's abilities (and you can have as many 'Jobs' on one character as you want), characters actually retain unique qualities despite the extremely open-ended progression, there is no reliance on shops at all (and you don't have to equip gakky weapons and armor just to have some sort of elemental attack or defense), Triple Triad is actually nuanced and useful to the main game, etc.

You might hate the characters, the storyline, or the world that is presented to you in FFVIII, but there's no denying that the gameplay itself is nothing short of amazing. It's too bad that they decided to scrap it in favor of the archaic system present in FFIX.

Yeah, aside from its gakky sidequest involving a poorly thought out children's card game, I liked the gameplay in FFVIII.

I really wish I could have made characters in FFIX my own too, but alas.

Final Fantasy 7 is the best game ever made! the sory line was awesome , ff13 is good but it is just a mockery of what they had already achieved with 7, best rpgs shining force 1 and 2 on the mega drive and ff7 nothing casn touch these


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oh and ff13 yeah credit where its due is a truely beautiful game, all the magic effects in it are great you see all the particles float about after explosions and the cut scenes are well good, i just cant stand that snow with his stupid grin, and his "optimism" ha ha Ive played it for 72 hours so it must have some thing!

I don't ever invest that much into a FF game.
I generally just watch walkthroughs on youtube and such and can just skip around when the going gets boring.

It does look real nice even after 10 hours in...

i got it for xmas for the xbox and my fiancee really regretted buying me it saying it was boring to watch, it was the only xbox game i played for like 3 months though

On a somewhat related note, have you guys seen The Spoony One's "review" on FFVIII and FFX? I assure you, they're one of the most gut busting funny things on this planet.

In an FF game, I usually measure its quality on whether the story can draw me in and keep me guessing and if the gameplay is flexible, strategic, non linear and not a grind fest.

I personally liked FF8 over FF7. I personally found FF7 to be a little too contrived and cliché. I suspect that FF7s success is probably due to nostalgia and the fact that FF7 is probably the most marketable out of all the FF games. Given this, I doubt Square will release a FF7 remake but I reckon they might release a remastered edition with additional cut scenes/content on the PSP once they’re done redoing all the classics (an updated FF4 on the PSP is due for release soon).

FF13 failed somewhat because they over simplified the combat system. The characters in FF13 were too contrived and cliché, save Lightning (I also agree that Hope is the most annoying character on the planet). The story also had its failings because its foundations and terminology was too confusing and from a direction point of view, it seems to focus more on stylised cut scenes and philosophical one liners than plot progression. All in all, you could say FF13’s failings could probably due to Square over thinking things.

Here is the problem with Square/Enix games tate began an escalation since VII:

Walk somewhere, 5 minute cut scene, fight 3 enemies, 5 minute cut scene, walk somewhere, 10 minute cutscene, fight 1 enemy, 5 minute cut scene, repeat ad naseum. Somewhere the game in video game got lost.

Ahtman wrote:Here is the problem with Square/Enix games tate began an escalation since VII:

Walk somewhere, 5 minute cut scene, fight 3 enemies, 5 minute cut scene, walk somewhere, 10 minute cutscene, fight 1 enemy, 5 minute cut scene, repeat ad naseum. Somewhere the game in video game got lost.

Drop the cutscenes and you get this.





And yet no one would ever say this game sucks? Why? Because its old. And you said FFVII has aged bad. We've come a long way.


The bottom line is, if you don't want battles and plot progression for hours on end, then why are you playing an RPG?

Dragon Warrior is awesome.

The repetitive music and battles are hypnotic... I play it for hours and hours.

Mike Noble wrote:Drop the cutscenes and you get this.

It's almost like you haven't played any of the games you are talking about. If you honestly think that if you removed all the cut-scenes from FFXIII you would be left with Dragon Warrior I'm not sure any amount of discussion is going to make a difference, as that is so far off the edge daylight can't even be seen.

There is a difference between wanting gameplay and wanting a dungeon crawl where there is no story. You seem to misundertand that basic point that to many games coming out are (barely) interactive movies as opposed to games. All video, no game. If I wanted a movie I would just watch a movie. Dragon Age had a good balance of gameplay and storyline, most of what is coming out of square these days does not. Even Final Fantasy XIV, which is an MMO, has about 30 minutes of cut-scenes before you actually start in on the game. Dragon Warrior VIII actually was a pretty good balance of the two. Star Ocean 3 with it's 2 hour intro was not.

daedalus-templarius wrote:Couldn't make it through the first 10 hours. Tons of useless exposition and needlessly complicated interactions between historical powers/gods/esper-things.

FF just keeps going downhill imo, most recent one I liked was 12, even though some of the character designs were... meh.

Like Fran ASS?

DAT ASS

I tried Resonance of Fate, it takes a really unique spin on turn-based JRPGs. Unfortunately it's very confusing and I never really got to fight any battles.

Monster Rain wrote:Dragon Warrior is awesome.

The repetitive music and battles are hypnotic... I play it for hours and hours.

+1

Okay I bought FF XIII again. I figured this time I am going to play it for what it is not for it being a FF game. If I go into it with that mindset, I might just enjoy the game. I wonder if I should black out the FF XIII title on the box with a marker or something.

Anyways I got it for $13.95. That isn't too bad since I originally payed $60.00 for it and sold it the very next day for $45.00. That is sort of a profit right?

Platuan4th wrote:

WARBOSS TZOO wrote:FF6

Best.

FF.

Game.

EVER.

Sorry for the OT and thread-necromancy but I just wanted to high-five that man. Unfortunately there is no hf orkmoticon so I guess kroot will have to do:

Macok wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

WARBOSS TZOO wrote:FF6

Best.

FF.

Game.

EVER.

Sorry for the OT and thread-necromancy but I just wanted to high-five that man. Unfortunately there is no hf orkmoticon so I guess kroot will have to do:

I agree. It was by far my most favorite one. It is the main reason why I hated XIII so much. But like I said before, I got it cheap so I am going to give it another try and pretend it is not a Final Fantasy game.

Slarg232 wrote:Actually, the reason he first called it Final Fantasy was because it was supposed to be the dude's last, or final, game.

Of course, as you say, we all know how that turned out.

close, it was squaresoft's last chance to save there company

Soverntear wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:Actually, the reason he first called it Final Fantasy was because it was supposed to be the dude's last, or final, game.

Of course, as you say, we all know how that turned out.

close, it was squaresoft's last chance to save there company

Close, "though often attributed to the company allegedly having been threatened with bankruptcy in 1987, main planner Hironobu Sakaguchi explained that the title of the game stemmed from his personal situation; had the game not sold well, he would have quit the games industry and gone back to university."