We all know that a new Grey Knights Codex is coming out in April, but about a new Sisters of Battle codex?? Comment please!

I want 'Crons first, but after them, SISTERS PLEASE!!!

I was thinking about starting a Sisters army a while back, never got round to it, but I would definitely do it if a new Codex and plastic range came out.

GK, Necrons, SoB...if they try to throw anything else in between those I would be highly upset as these are the codexes that need it the most.

Oh the joys a new dex could bring... no more 50pt rhinos, old armorys and motorpools, modern assassins, etc...

I have some bigger wishes but don't want to nuts

From my source its necrons August september followed by SOB in November/December if you want more info go to http://natfka.blogspot.com/ and more specifically http://natfka.blogspot.com/2011/01/new-sisters-of-battle-details.html

Really hope Sisters get a flying vehicle to fill the same sort of role as an IG Valkyrie, or perhaps more along the same lines as a Stormraven.

And if they remove Saint Celestine I will be very, very unhappy.

I really, really hope that Sisters are in the offing.

Scarey Nerd wrote:Really hope Sisters get a flying vehicle to fill the same sort of role as an IG Valkyrie, or perhaps more along the same lines as a Stormraven.

There was that Lightning attack craft in DOW: Soulstorm. That was aquisitioned from the Imperial Navy, and the decree passive might prohibit that, although Valk/Vendettas are much the same for the IG.

And if they remove Saint Celestine I will be very, very unhappy.

If the SoB codex goes the same way as BA and Gk then St. Celestine will have been trapped in the warp for millenia beating the gak out of whatever's around and randomly popping up to help the sisters in their time of need.

Melissia will be posting in this thread in 3....2....1....

I voted "can't wait" with the caveat that this response only applies if I can still build an all make force using the Inquisition/Ecclesiarchy stuff and storm troopers.

Ketara wrote:Melissia will be posting in this thread in 3....2....1....

Quoted for truth.... shocked it has gone this long

Their codex already came out. its called "dark eldar" if those aren't girls then I don't know what is.

I hope so I just started them and would love plastic sisters.

Talked to a GW worker yesterday. He's said that sisters would definitely be in plastic kits which was a relief, and that the Inquisition would be taking the back seat (like they will in the GK codex).

You've probably heard this all from rumours already, but it was a relief for me to hear it first hand.

I'm not looking forward to ti that much. Their current codex is easily my favorite codex out there right now. I'd hate to see another boring painting section.

I am looking forward to some snazzy new rules

New models, not so much. I like my all metal army, it feels cool. Not very nice on my pocket book, but there's always ebay to deal with that.

GamzaTheChaos wrote:Their codex already came out. its called "dark eldar" if those aren't girls then I don't know what is.

............... I truely...... truely hope you're kidding..... O.o


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Emperors Faithful wrote:Talked to a GW worker yesterday. He's said that sisters would definitely be in plastic kits which was a relief, and that the Inquisition would be taking the back seat (like they will in the GK codex).

You've probably heard this all from rumours already, but it was a relief for me to hear it first hand.

GASP!!!! My Inquisitor.... no..... NOOOOOO!!!!!

Lizar7 wrote:I'm not looking forward to ti that much. Their current codex is easily my favorite codex out there right now. I'd hate to see another boring painting section.

I am looking forward to some snazzy new rules

New models, not so much. I like my all metal army, it feels cool. Not very nice on my pocket book, but there's always ebay to deal with that.

Yes and no. A lot of my conversions have been a real pain in the . Then again, the Seraphim and Retributor (esp. HB ) models are beautiful, and would be hard to replicate in plastic.

Still, I have enough metal Sisters that I'm ready for some plastics and a new Codex to take me to a full Order's worth .

Inquisitor Cyotle wrote: GASP!!!! My Inquisitor.... no..... NOOOOOO!!!!!

lol... I'm hoping that better GK and SoB rules will make taking Inquisitor Lords in some lists more legit.

I'm rather ambivolent. I think the idea of witch hunters are cool, but I've never been a particular fan of LADIES IN POWER ARMOR!

If their codex got fleshed out a little bit so that they were more varied in unit types than NECRON, I'd be more interested, but having an entire codex devoted to girls in power armor with just different weapons, oh, and that one missile tank, hasn't really appealed to me.

Perhaps if they do a nice job with the inqisitor and give you a real troops option other than only sorotitas, I'd give them more serious consideration.

It just seems like the army has some nice ideas going for it (I especially like faith points), but the concept and model range are lacking, to say the least.

Ailaros wrote:I'm rather ambivolent. I think the idea of witch hunters are cool, but I've never been a particular fan of LADIES IN POWER ARMOR!

If their codex got fleshed out a little bit so that they were more varied in unit types than NECRON, I'd be more interested, but having an entire codex devoted to girls in power armor with just different weapons, oh, and that one missile tank, hasn't really appealed to me.

Perhaps if they do a nice job with the inqisitor and give you a real troops option other than only sorotitas, I'd give them more serious consideration.

It just seems like the army has some nice ideas going for it (I especially like faith points), but the concept and model range are lacking, to say the least.

Well, I'd say letting a codex languish for so long, tends to cause these kind of problems. All the recent Rule books, have been pretty nice. If the Dark Eldar release is anything to go on, then I have high expectations for SoB afterward as well. Just as long as it's Necrons after GK.

Thanks for posting this! Recently, my enthusiasm in the Sisters of Battle has gone back up. I started an army, but switched to the new Dark Eldar, my second favorite, for financial reasons and my interest in the Dark Eldar. However, I think the Sisters are still my favorite, and a couple new rules and more affordable models would be great!!

Emperors Faithful wrote:Talked to a GW worker yesterday. He's said that sisters would definitely be in plastic kits which was a relief, and that the Inquisition would be taking the back seat (like they will in the GK codex).

You've probably heard this all from rumours already, but it was a relief for me to hear it first hand.

*Sigh* The Inquisition always seems to take a backseat nowadays...

Well; lets hope it at least offers only new options for Pure =I= lists; and allows for use of Inquisition units in the GK codex.

Can't wait for the new kits, but I can definitely wait on the butt whoopin I'm going to get till I can figure a way around my friend's new toys.

Mr Hyena wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:Talked to a GW worker yesterday. He's said that sisters would definitely be in plastic kits which was a relief, and that the Inquisition would be taking the back seat (like they will in the GK codex).

You've probably heard this all from rumours already, but it was a relief for me to hear it first hand.

*Sigh* The Inquisition always seems to take a backseat nowadays...

Well; lets hope it at least offers only new options for Pure =I= lists; and allows for use of Inquisition units in the GK codex.

To me the Inquisition are some of the coolest stuff out there. Why are they taking a back seat? Not enough sales, I guess, which is surprising. I share your pain.

Umm. The =I= are getting a huge boost out of Codex:GH. All three Ordos are supposedly viable and customizable.

Yeah, but apparently it wasn't supposed to happen. Grey Knights were supposed to be the focus.

God; Dan Abnett should be given a good rule-writer and both of them should make Codex: Inquisition. What a masterpiece that would be.

NWansbutter wrote:

Mr Hyena wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:Talked to a GW worker yesterday. He's said that sisters would definitely be in plastic kits which was a relief, and that the Inquisition would be taking the back seat (like they will in the GK codex).

You've probably heard this all from rumours already, but it was a relief for me to hear it first hand.

*Sigh* The Inquisition always seems to take a backseat nowadays...

Well; lets hope it at least offers only new options for Pure =I= lists; and allows for use of Inquisition units in the GK codex.

To me the Inquisition are some of the coolest stuff out there. Why are they taking a back seat? Not enough sales, I guess, which is surprising. I share your pain.

+1 to the pain. Inquisition army here.


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pretre wrote:Umm. The =I= are getting a huge boost out of Codex:GH. All three Ordos are supposedly viable and customizable.

Yes but they have 2 units. Less than DH or WH.

VikingScott wrote:

pretre wrote:Umm. The =I= are getting a huge boost out of Codex:GH. All three Ordos are supposedly viable and customizable.

Yes but they have 2 units. Less than DH or WH.

Nope. Let's look at what is supposedly in C: GK vs C: DH


Codex: GK Just Inq Options, not GK
HQ: 3 Units, 3 Named: Coteaz, Karamazov, Valeria, OM Inq, OH Inq, OX Inq
Elite: 6 units, Assassin x4, Henchman (incorporates Arcos, Daemonhosts, IST, Retinues and DCA, plus many new unit combos. Counting as 5.)
Troops: n/a, Henchmen, possibly or def with Coteaz.
Ded Trans: Rhino, Razorback, Inq Chim
Heavy: LR, LRC, LRR
So 12 units, 3 Ded Trans, 3 Chars
And that's not counting Counts As possibilities for Stormravens, Dreadknights, etc.


Codex: DH (Just Inq, not GK)
HQ: 1 units, 1 Char. Inq Lord, Coteaz
Elites: 4 units. OM Inq, DH, DCA, Assassin x4
Troops: 1 units. IST
Ded Trans: 3 units. Chim, Rhino, LR
Heavy: 1 unit. Orbital Strike
So 7 units, 3 Ded Trans, 1 char in the old codex.

How is that less than C: DH?

After Grey knights I expect at least 3 better selling armies to be redone before we see any sisters.

That would be pretty cool. I always like to see new things from GW...however my disposable income might dispute that sentiment Im ready for some new SOB, GK, and Necs!

Enough of these threads.

Samus_aran115 wrote:Enough of these threads.

Just becuase you aren't interested doesn't mean others aren't. The fact that they keep cropping up means that there is interest.

Or that we are all masochists.

pretre wrote:

VikingScott wrote:

pretre wrote:Umm. The =I= are getting a huge boost out of Codex:GH. All three Ordos are supposedly viable and customizable.

Yes but they have 2 units. Less than DH or WH.

Nope. Let's look at what is supposedly in C: GK vs C: DH


Codex: GK Just Inq Options, not GK
HQ: 3 Units, 3 Named: Coteaz, Karamazov, Valeria, OM Inq, OH Inq, OX Inq
Elite: 6 units, Assassin x4, Henchman (incorporates Arcos, Daemonhosts, IST, Retinues and DCA, plus many new unit combos. Counting as 5.)
Troops: n/a, Henchmen, possibly or def with Coteaz.
Ded Trans: Rhino, Razorback, Inq Chim
Heavy: LR, LRC, LRR
So 12 units, 3 Ded Trans, 3 Chars
And that's not counting Counts As possibilities for Stormravens, Dreadknights, etc.


Codex: DH (Just Inq, not GK)
HQ: 1 units, 1 Char. Inq Lord, Coteaz
Elites: 4 units. OM Inq, DH, DCA, Assassin x4
Troops: 1 units. IST
Ded Trans: 3 units. Chim, Rhino, LR
Heavy: 1 unit. Orbital Strike
So 7 units, 3 Ded Trans, 1 char in the old codex.

How is that less than C: DH?

1. I don't count SCs or DTs.
2. The different branches will not have a different statline. Essentially the same unit so I grouped it under one.
3. All those henchmen you listed are not seperate units. They are one unit. Called henchmen.
4. I did forget assassins but as its in one section (Titled imperial assassin) and thus one entry.
5. LRs I wouldn't call as part of the inquisition. I'm sure there in the dex for the GKs.

So I was wrong with 2 and it is actually (What I would call) 3 units. (Obviously anyone can disagree. This is a forum. It would be boring if we all agreed with each other.)

So yeah. It is less.

I heard that SoB will be able to ally with either Blood Angels or Space Wolves, but not either.

Codex: Bella is going to be awesome.

1. I don't count SCs or DTs.
2. The different branches will not have a different statline. Essentially the same unit so I grouped it under one.
3. All those henchmen you listed are not seperate units. They are one unit. Called henchmen.
4. I did forget assassins but as its in one section (Titled imperial assassin) and thus one entry.
5. LRs I wouldn't call as part of the inquisition. I'm sure there in the dex for the GKs.

So I was wrong with 2 and it is actually (What I would call) 3 units. (Obviously anyone can disagree. This is a forum. It would be boring if we all agreed with each other.)

So yeah. It is less.

1. Okay, those were largely a wash.
2. Again a wash, although you can argue then that CH only had 0.5 HQ choices since it was the same as C:WH. Also, they have different wargear between each entry.
3. You're being stubborn here. If they don't count as separate units, then I will count Arcos, DCA, Daemonhosts and ISTs in CH as 1, since they are all covered by Henchmen in the new book.
4. I counted them as one.
5. They were fieldable as DT in CH and have no Grey Knights only restriction in C:GK. Fair game.


Even accepting the above
CH had Inq Lord, Inq, DCA/Arco/IST/Daemonhosts/ISTs, Assassins, Orbital Strike
C:GK has Inq Lords, DCA/Arco/IST/Daemonhosts/ISTs, Assassins, Land Raiders x3 types

Not to mention a whole bunch of new wargear, new henchmen and rules that weren't available before. Also, the removal of 'GK Only' rules from the book is a big bonus. This means you can take Dreadnoughts, Dreadknights or Stormravens, which means you can kitbash/use an inquisitorial fire platform, Orbital insertion vehicles or Penitent Engines as well.

I understand you don't like your codex changing, but saying that there is less in the new Codex is just provably false.


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biccat wrote:I heard that SoB will be able to ally with either Blood Angels or Space Wolves, but not either.

Codex: Bella is going to be awesome.

Wow. 2009 called, they want their joke back.

I am a stubborn person but putting severl chioces into one dex is condensing and means less chioce surely?

Either way I feel shafted still.

At least we agree about the codex: bella remark.

VikingScott wrote:I am a stubborn person but putting severl chioces into one dex is condensing and means less chioce surely?

Either way I feel shafted still.

At least we agree about the codex: bella remark.

I think there are more choices in that one codex entry than some old school codexs (I'm looking at you Codex: Necrons). It takes up 4 pages of the books in the description section and has 10 different stat blocks with 10 different sets of rules and 24 different wargear line items. You can't say that compares directly to ISTs in the old codex. It literally has rules for Arcos, Daemonhosts, DCAs, etc, which were separate choices before. Just because they put them in one catch all entry, doesn't mean you can't field them anymore. You can in fact do more with this than before.

You want 6 DCA with 3 Arcos and 3 Storm Shield Crusaders to suck up wounds? Done.
You want 12 guys with PW/Storm Shield? Sure.
12 Space Monkeys with Rending 60" Lascannons, Rending 36" Multimeltas and Rending Hellhound Style Heavy Flamers? Go crazy.
3 Guys with Meltaguns and a Razorback? Absolutely.

For me, it is all about choice of what you can put on the table. Can you put more, different types of units and models on the table with the Inq choices in C: GK than C: DH? Darn right you can.

TBD wrote:After Grey knights I expect at least 3 better selling armies to be redone before we see any sisters.

Are there three better selling armies that NEED to be redone? I count Necrons and Tau. DA and BT are pretty much set till 6th with the FAQ, though there will be plenty of toys to come this edition I'm sure. That being said, it was stated by GW in an interview, salt machine: on, that they were currently working with the plastics. I have my fingers crossed for a release late this year, early next.

pretre wrote:

VikingScott wrote:I am a stubborn person but putting severl chioces into one dex is condensing and means less chioce surely?

Either way I feel shafted still.

At least we agree about the codex: bella remark.

I think there are more choices in that one codex entry than some old school codexs (I'm looking at you Codex: Necrons). It takes up 4 pages of the books in the description section and has 10 different stat blocks with 10 different sets of rules and 24 different wargear line items. You can't say that compares directly to ISTs in the old codex. It literally has rules for Arcos, Daemonhosts, DCAs, etc, which were separate choices before. Just because they put them in one catch all entry, doesn't mean you can't field them anymore. You can in fact do more with this than before.

You want 6 DCA with 3 Arcos and 3 Storm Shield Crusaders to suck up wounds? Done.
You want 12 guys with PW/Storm Shield? Sure.
12 Space Monkeys with Rending 60" Lascannons, Rending 36" Multimeltas and Rending Hellhound Style Heavy Flamers? Go crazy.
3 Guys with Meltaguns and a Razorback? Absolutely.

For me, it is all about choice of what you can put on the table. Can you put more, different types of units and models on the table with the Inq choices in C: GK than C: DH? Darn right you can.

I haven't seen the leaked codex but I know about the chioce of what I can field. Alright I can grudginly accept that that may count as more than one unit. I did not know that it took up 4 pages.

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biccat wrote:I heard that SoB will be able to ally with either Blood Angels or Space Wolves, but not either.

Codex: Bella is going to be awesome.

Wow. 2009 called, they want their joke back.

Look, some of us around here are old farts and still think this kind of thing is funny. Don't make me get out my shaggy dog jokes.

Besides, since Fifth Edition, there have been 6 codex releases: 4 imperial, 2 xenos (and 4 of those Imperial were power armor based). Soon we're getting another Imperial (yay.) power armor codex.

There's no reason to make more imperial power armor codices. The game can afford to drop DA, BT, and SoB. How about Necrons, Tau, Eldar, Orks, and Chaos? These are armies that can't be effectively "counts as" with the current mix of blue/grey/red Space Marines.

Insert tired old debate about SM vs non-SM including sales vs diversity and blah blah blah.

Yeah, we know.

pretre wrote:Insert tired old debate about SM vs non-SM including sales vs diversity and blah blah blah.

Yeah, we know.

Then excuse me if I don't get super excited about another 3+ power-noob Imperial army book being released.

Besides, since Fifth Edition, there have been 6 codex releases: 4 imperial, 2 xenos (and 4 of those Imperial were power armor based). Soon we're getting another Imperial (yay.) power armor codex.

There's no reason to make more imperial power armor codices. The game can afford to drop DA, BT, and SoB. How about Necrons, Tau, Eldar, Orks, and Chaos? These are armies that can't be effectively "counts as" with the current mix of blue/grey/red Space Marines.

Scarey Nerd wrote:
Since when were IG power-armour based?...

Shh, he was on a roll. Best not to get into this debate. After all, SM players are power-noobs. lol

SoB are different from Space Noobs. So they shouldn't be lumped in with them. They're fine to keep.

Space Noobs? Congratulations, you're 1337, happy? Let's just forget that they are a medium to advanced player's army due to having an 8'' optimal range and getting massacred in assault.

It wouldn't surprise me if DA went away at this point. Oh look first round terminator teleport for GK and can take them as troops. Deathwing much? Same thing for the Wolves, more termi troops. Oh, and regular marines do bike lists just fine without the Ravenwing. :grr:

Scarey Nerd wrote:Since when were IG power-armour based?...

Well I started to say 7 releases with 5 Imperial (4 of which are power armor)...

Something got lost in the editing process.

The first Power-Armor based 5th edition codex wasn't terrible. SM needed an update.
The second Power-Armor based 5th edition codex was essentially "how can we make SM better?" and screwed the pooch.
The third Power-Armor based 5th edition codex asked "why aren't enough people playing SM?" and viscously sodomized the pooch.

I have little hope for the next Power-Armor based 5th edition codex, which appears to take the position of "we need more people playing SM." The pooch is crying in the shower.

I'm not 1337, my record in 5th edition is something like 0-8. Probably because I play Thousand Sons. I'm just tired of seeing the same armies across the table (grey marines, red marines, grey marines, red marines). I don't think adding boobalicious marines to the mix is going to change anything. Although it would be fun to dance with SoB at 8-12" ranges.

biccat wrote:Probably because I play Thousand Sons. I'm just tired of seeing the same armies across the table (grey marines, red marines, grey marines, red marines). I don't think adding boobalicious marines to the mix is going to change anything.

You are a Space Marine player. Your complaint is invalid.

And no, the overabundance of Space Marines is not an acceptable alternative to GW finally producing a plastic female soldiers kit (trees and hermaphrodites don't count).

I agree with Mr. Hyena. Although the SoB have many statistical similarities with SM and have often been called their female counter-parts, I'm constantly drawn by their faith powers, fluff, and overall design. Imho, the flavor of the SoB alone is enough to keep them as an army, especially since they're not an SM spin-off.

Also, I heard that the SoB are good mixed with GK. Is this true?

I agree with Mr. Hyena. Although the SoB have many statistical similarities with SM and have often been called their female counter-parts, I'm constantly drawn by their faith powers, fluff, and overall design. Imho, the flavor of the SoB alone is enough to keep them as an army, especially since they're not an SM spin-off.

Well I view sisters as the middle of the road option. Space marines are the elite force, guardsmen are the mass number option, and sisters fill the void in the middle. Kind of like Mercury cars, compared to Lincoln and Ford

Yeah, SoB are coming out. Then we can get Tau out of the way and then Eldar and then...

Da-dududun-dun-DAH!
Chaos

Anyway, yeah, you can no longer buy spuads of Battle Sisters. I don't know about you, but history shows hat when things disappear, GW replaces them with newer, cooler stuff.

ZacktheChaosChild wrote:

Anyway, yeah, you can no longer buy spuads of Battle Sisters. I don't know about you, but history shows hat when things disappear, GW replaces them with newer, cooler stuff.

I like your view on that, and it came true in a great way for the Dark Eldar (my second favorite faction). Also, great analogy, Volkov. You're right, but I view the Battle Sisters as the full force of the Inquisition, my favorite part of the Imperium. Space Marines are really cool too, but I prefer Sisters I guess for the doom and gloom as well as the unique female army angle.

pretre wrote:
Not to mention a whole bunch of new wargear, new henchmen and rules that weren't available before. Also, the removal of 'GK Only' rules from the book is a big bonus. This means you can take Dreadnoughts, Dreadknights or Stormravens, which means you can kitbash/use an inquisitorial fire platform, Orbital insertion vehicles or Penitent Engines as well.

Good points. I feel much less shafted now with the revelation that I could actually make my Penitent engines BETTER by making them "counts as" Dreadnaught or Dreadknight rules instead, plus still have my arco-flagellants, storm troopers, etc. Plus I have some really cool ideas for a squad of crusaders. Now I am getting much more excited about this codex than I was before!

Muchas gracias for pointing this out and the ideas.

pretre wrote:Or that we are all masochists.

nice

Wow Two Pages and no Melissia ?

the world will truely end in 2012.


I would actually pick up the codex when they get to it, im not DYING for it to come out, but it'd be nice to stop seeing Space Marines EVERYWHERE

Ugh, the female Space Marine stuff is played out. Way different fluff, and game-wise, it's not just power armor = power armor. WS 3, T3, S3 means NO ASSAULT. EVER. That 3+ ? Your biggest false friend in the world. Hard to make saves, power armor or not, when there are ten of them.

Even Celestians, who have WS4, are no better than phenomenal tarpits that can tie up SM heroes at the cost of precious faith points. No Sisters toting lascannons or missile launchers, no Terminators, no Predators, no assault marines, etc etc etc. SoB are unlike playing any other army...the closest to mech sisters would probably be DE. Similar emphasis on running and gunning and cool rollable abilities, only they (Wyches) are awesome in HtH.

New Sister Codex will most appreciated.
But please for the love of Morks Golden Middle Finger, Update my Orks.

I would love a new SoB Codex, not that I am unhappy with the current one. I would like to see SoB get their own codex and the Inquisition to get their own, but with the leaked GK codex, that seems most unlikely. I would be very upset for Witch Hunters Inquisition to go away as I also have an extensive army of them. I suppose I could be content with a C:SoB similar to what the C:GK may be, with Inquisition WH taking a backseat.

Evil Lamp 6 wrote:I would love a new SoB Codex, not that I am unhappy with the current one. I would like to see SoB get their own codex and the Inquisition to get their own, but with the leaked GK codex, that seems most unlikely. I would be very upset for Witch Hunters Inquisition to go away as I also have an extensive army of them. I suppose I could be content with a C:SoB similar to what the C:GK may be, with Inquisition WH taking a backseat.

SoB with WH background noise is exactly what I'm hoping for. I want useful arco-flagellants; I actually have had some use with them lately, the problem is that daggone priest! Fix him, GW!

thebaroness wrote:... the problem is that daggone priest! Fix him, GW!

I wouldn't bank on that. Look what they did with the priest in the IG codex. Seems like some units GW just cannot get right.

thebaroness wrote: I want useful arco-flagellants; I actually have had some use with them lately,

GK codex has useful Arcos. That bodes well.

Emperors Faithful wrote:That was aquisitioned from the Imperial Navy, and the decree passive might prohibit that

Why? Sisters were piloting them, therefor it did not violate the Decree Passive.


Until the Sisters get their new codex, I will still have the one I made.

Melissia wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:That was aquisitioned from the Imperial Navy, and the decree passive might prohibit that

Why? Sisters were piloting them, therefor it did not violate the Decree Passive.

The Ecclesiarchy is not permitted naval assets. Female pilots wouldn't change that.

what about tau they need it far more than SOB who have some viable stuff but tau are suffering far worse as they can only sometimes beat the other armies. Also the reason some are not given it is a cap on their power as a ship is a huge asset I hope space nuns get devoured By a hive fleet simaltanously and inquistion gets a dex.


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Luco wrote:

TBD wrote:After Grey knights I expect at least 3 better selling armies to be redone before we see any sisters.

Are there three better selling armies that NEED to be redone? I count Necrons and Tau. DA and BT are pretty much set till 6th with the FAQ, though there will be plenty of toys to come this edition I'm sure. That being said, it was stated by GW in an interview, salt machine: on, that they were currently working with the plastics. I have my fingers crossed for a release late this year, early next.

thank you somebody realises tau needs lots of help

AlexHolker wrote:

Melissia wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:That was aquisitioned from the Imperial Navy, and the decree passive might prohibit that

Why? Sisters were piloting them, therefor it did not violate the Decree Passive.

The Ecclesiarchy is not permitted naval assets. Female pilots wouldn't change that.

They aren't allowed to have men at arms. The decree passive doesn't say they can't have naval assets.

Directly from the book Enforcer you have a force of arbites that boards a penance ship that belongs to the eclesiarchy in order to investigate a potential threat.

Sounds to me like they can indeed own naval assets.

This is bull the sisters dont need it as bad as tau or crons and should be replaced by cool inqusition. And they are another lame power armour force i like BT and DA they provide useful fluff and cool stuff but sisters have bad fluff and never do anything in helsreach they try and save the temple and get murdered cause they suck.

The rumour is that the new Plastic Sisters will have a completely revised uniform design.

rovian wrote:This is bull the sisters dont need it as bad as tau or crons and should be replaced by cool inqusition. And they are another lame power armour force i like BT and DA they provide useful fluff and cool stuff but sisters have bad fluff and never do anything in helsreach they try and save the temple and get murdered cause they suck.

Yes, we saw the first post you had. I think most people recognize that the Tau need a new dex and you know I agree with the BT and DA (though, I would still love a new DA dex full of fluff and pictures and hopefully some real fluff for the successors) but let's not cross the line with it. They don't play quite like marines and are a mid to bottom tier army, mostly, themselves so they certainly deserve an update. Don't worry, I'm sure Tau rumors will ramp up by the time the Sisters dex is out. Personally, I think they'll be the first full 40k release of 2012 judging on who needs it (and assuming sisters will count as the 'marine' equivalent for the general pattern). Oh yea, salt; here you go.

rovian wrote:This is bull the sisters dont need it as bad as tau or crons and should be replaced by cool inqusition.

Tau should be replaced by the cool Kroot.





DA doesn't really add all that much anymore, thanks to the other marine codices stealing what used to make it special. I agree though Tau kind of needs it more and there are already Necron rumours around so they're probably before SoB anyway.

Personally I expect Tau to come out about one or two years before a new rules edition which will invalidate their codex.

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AlexHolker wrote:

Melissia wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:That was aquisitioned from the Imperial Navy, and the decree passive might prohibit that

Why? Sisters were piloting them, therefor it did not violate the Decree Passive.

The Ecclesiarchy is not permitted naval assets. Female pilots wouldn't change that.

They aren't allowed to have men at arms. The decree passive doesn't say they can't have naval assets.

A Lightning Escort is an assest if the Imperial Navy, which is a seperate entity from the ecclessiarchy. Just as the ecclessiarchy hs no official authority over all-female IG regiments (or the IG at all) they have no offical say in what the Imperial Navy does. Taking your line of thought to the extreme, Sisters would be allowed a Retribution Battleship if it was crewed by females (or had a female captain).
Note that I have no issue with Lightnings supporting sisters (and representing this on the tabletop as well), the influence of the ecclessiarchy is widespread afterall, but I can't see Lightning's being subjected to the 'Men under arms' that would bypass the decree passive in the way you suggest. Lightning pilots are Navy first and foremost.

I'd recommend Flesh and Iron by Henry Zhou to you.

All these threads about the SoB codex release are just reminding me that there's going to be more than a year to wait before anything shows up...

Hyenajoe wrote:All these threads about the SoB codex release are just reminding me that there's going to be more than a year to wait before anything shows up...

Well, if the Necrons Codex appears July/August as per BoW's rumour, maybe it won't be a year for sisters. I hope that's the case, at least.

pretre wrote:
I understand you don't like your codex changing, but saying that there is less in the new Codex is just provably false.

Just going back to this, I decided to download the alleged "leaked codex" just to see, and after reading it, I have to agree with Pretre here. If you take Coteaz, you now have tons of options for an Inquisitorial force that you definitely did not have before. There are so many options for the henchmen that you can make crusader units, arco flagellant units, storm troopers, sisters of battle or other humans in power armour, daemonhost units, &c. Or you can make all sorts of combinations. It might actually be too much variety now, from a certain perspective, trying to figure out what are the good combinations and giving massive freedom to craft a force to the specific needs/desires of a given player. You can have heavily CC-oriented, short or long range shooty, horde, mech, &c. If they add lasguns as a free option (instead of laspistol and CCW) for the warrior acolytes, you can even have inducted IG in your list (use servitors for heavy weapons teams, albeit with less options).

There's no reason the Lightning MUST be a naval asset. Just because the Imperial Navy makes use of the vehicle doesn't mean that it's exclusive to them. There's no reason to think that the church couldn't buy or manufacture as many of the vehicles as they wanted if they were so inclined.

The Decree Passive doesn't actually do much of anything.
The story of the decree itself is just a bit of fluff that was created to explain why the army consists entirely of females, not to keep the design team from creating interesting rules and the sculptors from making neat models.

jake wrote:There's no reason the Lightning MUST be a naval asset. Just because the Imperial Navy makes use of the vehicle doesn't mean that it's exclusive to them. There's no reason to think that the church couldn't buy or manufacture as many of the vehicles as they wanted if they were so inclined.

The Decree Passive doesn't actually do much of anything.
The story of the decree itself is just a bit of fluff that was created to explain why the army consists entirely of females, not to keep the design team from creating interesting rules and the sculptors from making neat models.

I would very much welcome a Lightning Attack Craft in the new codex. The design looks too awesome even for GW to screw up (crosses fingers), but honestly in the current fluff the sisters of battle piloting a Lightning makes even less sense than Grey Knights flying Stormravens.

jake wrote:There's no reason the Lightning MUST be a naval asset. Just because the Imperial Navy makes use of the vehicle doesn't mean that it's exclusive to them. There's no reason to think that the church couldn't buy or manufacture as many of the vehicles as they wanted if they were so inclined.

The Decree Passive doesn't actually do much of anything.

"Amongst other prohibitions on military activity, the Decree Passive forbade the Ecclesiarchy from controlling any 'Men at arms'."
Codex: Sisters of Battle, page 16

"The terms of the Decree Passive forbid the Ecclesiarchy from maintaining its own war fleets, and so the Sisters of Battle are reliant upon the Imperial Navy and Inquisitorial vessels for this type of support."
Codex: Witch Hunters, page 37

Now, if you want to argue that the reconsidered Decree does not extend to single-seat aerospace fighters I'm not too hung up on that, but it does do more than say the Ecclesiarchial military must all have two X chromosomes. My own take on it is that combat-capable spacecraft and ordinance weapons are still forbidden.

rovian wrote:This is bull the sisters dont need it as bad as tau or crons

Right on the first one, they need a new codex FAR worse than Tau. But completely wrong on the second one, both Sisters and Necrons need a new codex pretty badly.


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AlexHolker wrote:

jake wrote:There's no reason the Lightning MUST be a naval asset. Just because the Imperial Navy makes use of the vehicle doesn't mean that it's exclusive to them. There's no reason to think that the church couldn't buy or manufacture as many of the vehicles as they wanted if they were so inclined.

The Decree Passive doesn't actually do much of anything.

"Amongst other prohibitions on military activity, the Decree Passive forbade the Ecclesiarchy from controlling any 'Men at arms'."
Codex: Sisters of Battle, page 16

"The terms of the Decree Passive forbid the Ecclesiarchy from maintaining its own war fleets, and so the Sisters of Battle are reliant upon the Imperial Navy and Inquisitorial vessels for this type of support."
Codex: Witch Hunters, page 37

Now, if you want to argue that the reconsidered Decree does not extend to single-seat aerospace fighters I'm not too hung up on that, but it does do more than say the Ecclesiarchial military must all have two X chromosomes. My own take on it is that combat-capable spacecraft and ordinance weapons are still forbidden.

And all of this is pointless if they just retcon that line out of existence ^.^

The Fox Lord wrote:New Sister Codex will most appreciated.
But please for the love of Morks Golden Middle Finger, Update my Orks.

Why do Orks need an update? I'm asking because I'm curious. I haven't looked too closely at the Orks codex.

Like the rest of the fourth edition codices, Orks are generally fine, but have a few units that need to be updated and could use a bump to fifth edition level variety. But they're still nowhere near the level of third edition codices as far as needing an update.

AlexHolker wrote:
"The terms of the Decree Passive forbid the Ecclesiarchy from maintaining its own war fleets, and so the Sisters of Battle are reliant upon the Imperial Navy and Inquisitorial vessels for this type of support."
Codex: Witch Hunters, page 37

So GW makes the Lightning an inquisitorial Lightning and includes it in the Codex. There, problem solved!

ZacktheChaosChild wrote:

The Fox Lord wrote:New Sister Codex will most appreciated.
But please for the love of Morks Golden Middle Finger, Update my Orks.

Why do Orks need an update? I'm asking because I'm curious. I haven't looked too closely at the Orks codex.

I play 'Nids, Orks & Marine, pretty much in that order of preferance.
'Nids got updated already and it seems like we get a marine Dex every othe Dex...So I'd like my orks now please.
Though in all seriousness I'd say 'Crons are most in need of a Dex followed by a tie between Sisters and Tau.

Melissia wrote:

rovian wrote:This is bull the sisters dont need it as bad as tau or crons

Right on the first one, they need a new codex FAR worse than Tau. But completely wrong on the second one, both Sisters and Necrons need a new codex pretty badly.

How do the Sisters need an update more/equally badly than Necrons?

AlexHolker wrote:

jake wrote:There's no reason the Lightning MUST be a naval asset. Just because the Imperial Navy makes use of the vehicle doesn't mean that it's exclusive to them. There's no reason to think that the church couldn't buy or manufacture as many of the vehicles as they wanted if they were so inclined.

The Decree Passive doesn't actually do much of anything.

"Amongst other prohibitions on military activity, the Decree Passive forbade the Ecclesiarchy from controlling any 'Men at arms'."
Codex: Sisters of Battle, page 16

"The terms of the Decree Passive forbid the Ecclesiarchy from maintaining its own war fleets, and so the Sisters of Battle are reliant upon the Imperial Navy and Inquisitorial vessels for this type of support."
Codex: Witch Hunters, page 37

Now, if you want to argue that the reconsidered Decree does not extend to single-seat aerospace fighters I'm not too hung up on that, but it does do more than say the Ecclesiarchial military must all have two X chromosomes. My own take on it is that combat-capable spacecraft and ordinance weapons are still forbidden.

And all of this is pointless if they just retcon that line out of existence ^.^

Is it really too much to view the lightning in a support role? It's exactly what the IG do with Valkryies and Vendettas.

Sisters just aren't competitive. Apart from anything else, at the moment two minimum Troop choices and an HQ costs £86.80. In those terms, not only do they need an update more than anyone else, GW deserve a slap for having the guts to be so outrageous.

I wonder....

Will Ordo Hereticus get access to the Inquisitorial Henchmen Warbands like Ordo Malleus does?

Scarey Nerd wrote:Sisters just aren't competitive. Apart from anything else, at the moment two minimum Troop choices and an HQ costs £86.80. In those terms, not only do they need an update more than anyone else, GW deserve a slap for having the guts to be so outrageous.

There are already players out there who have got a Sisters army. They don't need new models, they need a new book.

I would argue though that Necrons need a new book more than Sisters, because of basic competitiveness concerns.

Emperors Faithful wrote:How do the Sisters need an update more/equally badly than Necrons?

C:WH has sixteen units, only four of which are really "competitive" and even those are undeniably overpowered by the newer codices. Counting only Sisters units (assuming that all Inquisition stuff is moved into the GK codex), that is becomes around 11 units. Similarly, Necrons have 11 units, which most of them being uncompetitive too (the Monolith, Lord, and both Destroyers are about as competitive as the four Sisters units I had in mind), while once more being overpowered by the newer fifth edition codices.

In comparison Tau's newest codex still has units which are at the top of the field that they specialize in-- broadsides are quite simply the best long-ranged anti-tank in the game for example, and Crisis Suits are still just as deadly as always. The codex certainly needs a bump to fifth edition... but so does every other fourth edition codex.


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Kilkrazy wrote:There are already players out there who have got a Sisters army. They don't need new models, they need a new book.

Oh yes, Sisters need new models... plastic ones.

Mr Hyena wrote:I wonder....

Will Ordo Hereticus get access to the Inquisitorial Henchmen Warbands like Ordo Malleus does?

Considering your wondering over. They did. Codex: GK has Ordo Hereticus Inquisitors in it. You can even play a Sisters of Battle army out of C: GK, although even with some count-as'ing, it is a lot different than one we are used to.

(Note: The rest is opinion.)This lends itself to a dual conclusion that either the same options will be available in Codex: SoB (All three Ordos and Henchmen) or none will be there. Personally, based on the fluff tweak that GK got (that they work for and with all three ordos), I am leaning toward them leaving the ordos out of C: SoB and SoB will get a new focus as an independent army.

You mean an old focus, right? See C:SoB from second edition

That would be rather joyous.

A return to the previous focus.

I just hope ward doesnt screw this one up for us, that or he isnt involve in it at all (SW / DA / GK player *slash* fan here, with some WH models).

dakkawolf wrote:I just hope ward doesnt screw this one up for us, that or he isnt involve in it at all (SW / DA / GK player *slash* fan here, with some WH models).

Um, this thread is five months old. The new sisters codex is half released, the first half being in this month's White Dwarf.