Greetings and welcome to all concerned. First off, if you are not a player in this game please Do not post in this thread!

Okay FOR THE PLAYERS! Your roles have been sent to you via PM. All roles were decided by me via a random number generator and were completely random. I will verify that there are two pro town roles and 2 anti-town roles in your midst. Rules and guidelines for these roles can be found in this thread: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/346956.page

Rules

Votes

1) Votes must be in bold, if you do not bold your vote it will not be counted. This is a good vote - Vote: BishopGore this is a not good vote - Vote: BishopGore.

2) Please unvote if necessary before casting a new vote, it makes counting them much easier. (you are allowed to unvote as many times as you wish during a day cycle, so feel free to keep shifting your vote around as your suspicions change)

3) Lynching will require a simple majority of votes. Once a player has reached the necessary majority, their pleas are useless and any attempts to unvote will be unheeded. Thus, as soon as any player has a majority vote that player will be lynched and all subsequent voting does not count. Feel free to post other thoughts while waiting for the lynch scene if you desire. With 7 alive 4 votes are required to lynch. With 3 alive, 2 votes would be required. Ect. ect.

4) You may vote: no lynch. If No Lynch is the majority vote at any time then the day will end with no lynch and move on to the night phase.

5) Vote counts will be tabulated and posted by me at semi-regular intervals or when requested.


Deadlines

1) I will be enforcing a fixed two week Day Phase deadline. All Night Phases have a 72 hour deadline. Deadlines will be counted from the Moderator (my) story posts that will initiate each day and night phase.

2) At the three week deadline lynching will require the same number of votes as usual, if this number is not reached the day will end 'no lynch'.

3) If you have a night choice to make, it is due by the posted deadline. I will not wait for you. If you do not submit a choice to me then nothing will happen... at all... not even a little bit.


Posting

1) The game is not to be discussed outside the thread unless your role specifically states that you may do so – and then only at night. Honour system is in effect.

2) Once your death scene has been posted, you’re dead. Stop typing. A single “Bah, you fools!” type post is allowable, but no more please.

3) No small or invisible text. Don’t edit/delete previously submitted posts either. Secret codes worked into your regular text are allowable. Going back and editing a post may be grounds for disqualification from the game based on my whim.

4) Don’t quote any PMs from me. If you do, I will be most unhappy. Do not metagame by using any part of role PMs to figure out what roles others may or may not have (i.e. 'everyone post the third letter from the second line of their role PM') Any such metagame activity will result in a modkill (in other words, I'll declare you dead and the game will move to the next phase)

5) If you anticipate being unavailable for more than 3 days, please post a notice to that effect in the thread. Treat this game as a commitment. Be considerate – don’t leave us hanging.

6) Game Mods are human (allegedly), if I make a mistake please PM me I will rectify the mistake as soon as I can.

7) Please bold anything you want me to see.. Also, please try to avoid bolding anything else to ensure I DO see the ones I need to.

Prods aka 'That guy hasn't posted in a while'

1)A player will get prodded if they have been inactive for three days.

2)Weekends count as one day. (ie If your last post is on a Thursday you will not be prodded till the Monday following)

3) If you do not pick up your prod/post in game within 48 hours of it being sent I will start to look for a replacement.

4) Please post in game if you are going to be unavailable for more than 48 hours.

Misc

Remember, it’s a game and it’s supposed to be fun. Be nice to your fellow players.

If you have a problem in game please PM me to discuss it.

The rules etc can and will be edited at any point if I deem it necessary.

Breaking the rules can be bad for your health, I reserve the right to modkill for serious/repeated naughtiness

(Stolen from a previous thread, muahaha)

The Story Thread will follow from this post shortly...

=================================== Your Unit ==============================

Fifty - Soldier of Breton, an ill wind filled him and drove others away (killed Night 1)
n0t_u
Drk_Oblitr8r - Daemonic Evil, went out as he went in (lynched Day 3)
BrotherStynier - Priest of Sigmar [Detective Role], a victim of those he tried to save (lynched Day 1)
RustyKnight
the_ferrett
WARORK93 - Soldier of Breton, he went for the wrong people, he took a good kicking (lynched Day 4)
Mordoskul - Soldier of Breton, he stood apart and was then taken apart (lynched Day 2)
RiTides - Mage of Nature, revealed to darkness he didn't last long (killed Night 4)
Thor665

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You set off from Breton with your lord and master, Count Jimmer Der Trontomps, bound for Lustria and the adventures that abound there. Two great ships set off from the harbour, loaded with supplies, three great chargers in each hold. The Count and his 5 Knight cronies dined each night in opulence while the soldiers and sailers lived on basic rations. However there was little discontent, for the Count had promised great riches to all who stood by him in Lustria and fought back the beasts of that realm.

After two weeks on the high seas the Count grew bored, and would stride the decks picking fault with everything that was being done. When land was sighted, he insisted that they make anchor and go ashore. The land visible seemed to be a smallish island, picturesque, with fresh water and the traditional smokey volcano at its centre. The captain was happy to stop and pick up supplies, so the ships made anchor and the longboats were prepared.

The count insisted that the six horses, in full gelding, and his knights go first in the longboats, so with great difficulty this was accomplished. The 6 men mounted on the beach, and the soldiers cheered the sight of their master and his fine looking friends as they spurred away into the treeline, seeking adventure. While they were gone the stocks were refilled and the boats made ready to leave again.

After twelve hours the men became restless, neither sight nor sound of the knights had been evident since they left, and the island was not so big that they should have gotten lost, least of all on horseback.

Two groups of ten soldiers were dispatched to seek them out and aid them in returning to the boats if difficulties had emerged.

You are such a group of ten soldiers. All of you are veterans of many wars, but you have never worked together or bunked together before now, as you were drawn by lot from the many men onboard.

The group travelled for six hours through the forest, but where you should have seen the other side of the island by now, or at least seen a slope rising towards the volcano, the woods have grown darker and danker around you. All of you are nervous and twitchy, this place feels wrong, it is like no woodland you have ever seen and the smell of the place is getting worse. After another four hours, the group votes to return to the ship and take a route around these woods. But as you backtrack, you can find no trace of your own passing, nor can you see any light. After another four hours of walking the first of you falls to your knees and declares that they must rest now. A watch rota is worked out and eight of you fall asleep. A few moments later the two people on watch also fall asleep, as forces greater than you smother their consciousness.

Red eyes appear and two bodies are selected. They are dragged away into the darkness... A few hours later those two bodies return to the clearing, but they are no longer filled with flesh and bone, but with dark energies. They lie down and feign sleep, ready for the first people to awaken. Meanwhile others gather around to watch the fun, stringing up the meat from inside the bodies on hooks around the camp. They are not interested in joining in, they will simply watch and see if the two selected spirits can fool the humans, or if they will die at their hands...

You awaken slowly, wondering why you were not awakened for your watch duty, but glad of the sleep. You feel refreshed, but the sight that greets your eyes is awful. The meat displayed around the camp site is obviously human, but whose you could not say. Two bodies worth of meat. You all grasp your weapons firmly and look around. Whose bodies are these? Then the great message painted in blood all around you in a great spiral is read out loud...

"Two of you are not who you are. Your masters were found wanting and are dead now. May you have better luck than they. Time does not move here, if you can find the traitors we will let you return to your boat. If not, you will join us and be our playthings for eternity..."

You look around at each other. This wasn't part of the plan...

(First post w00t )

I'm slightly suspicous of this 'Fifty' fella, why the number for a name? Is it the number of your victims? I will not be 51!

vote: Fifty

(Classic. )


Looks like there's something not quite right about this island. I think we should stick together until we can figure it out, don't want anyone to get lost.

Or we could each hide on a part of it and take pot shots.

Such accusations when you nothing of the person! What if I said you were the phantom trying to draw attention away from yourself?

Vote: Lord Loss

I trust this Lord-Loss fellow - avast and have at thee Fifty!

Vote: Fifty

So quick we all are to jump upon this Fifty, two of you infact, right out of the gates. Two of you, and two of us are not really us anymore.

Thor, you were second to jump at Fifty.

I Vote: Thor

Pfah! Curse you who have targetted me!

How can I possibly have had fifty victims when it is clear these murders were started only tonight and there are only ten of us here? The message in blood makes that much clear. (Also, I can't help it that my parents were both remarkably fecund, and remarkably unimaginative.)

But everyone knows that the true villains never make the first move, so as not draw attention to themselves, so you can't be the villains. I shall prove to you my own innocence and vote for a genuine threat, rather than yourselves!

It seems clear to me that this BrotherStynier fellow is trying to shift his own guilt onto noble Thor and trying to lull me into allying with the enemy, and thus, I...

Vote: BrotherStynier!

Oh my, an ork! He must surely be one of the accursed spirits amongst us!

Vote: WARORK93

Just a quick reminder of one of the rules for the new players, there can be no editing of posts during this game. If a post is ever edited then it can look fishy, changing of votes is not allowed as it makes if harder for people to track your habits and play the game properly. if you make a mistake, make a second post correcting said mistake.

Just a friendly reminder now, later on I might get grouchy.

Thanks!

Fifty wrote:Pfah! Curse you who have targetted me!

How can I possibly have had fifty victims when it is clear these murders were started only tonight and there are only ten of us here? The message in blood makes that much clear. (Also, I can't help it that my parents were both remarkably fecund, and remarkably unimaginative.)

But everyone knows that the true villains never make the first move, so as not draw attention to themselves, so you can't be the villains. I shall prove to you my own innocence and vote for a genuine threat, rather than yourselves!

It seems clear to me that this BrotherStynier fellow is trying to shift his own guilt onto noble Thor and trying to lull me into allying with the enemy, and thus, I...

Vote: BrotherStynier!

Yes, clearly I am the fiend having jumped to defend you from the so called "Noble" Thor, perhaps the two of you are the ones we must slay to leave this island. Maybe he just jumped on you in an attempt to distance yourselves?

This is a very silly stage and I shall find a tree and watch you all acuse each other for a bit, good day.

the_ferrett wrote:This is a very silly stage and I shall find a tree and watch you all acuse each other for a bit, good day.

I find your lack of voting and random accusions worrying, what are hiding? Are you the_Ferret or the_Fiend?

It all makes so much sense now.

(this is why I don't think it should be called the random voting stage. )

I am the death of the untrue. My loyalty to our master is unwavering and I will not sit around while you're all doing more damage than the killer.

I agree, the greenskin filth cannot be tolerated!
I vote-WARORK93

Wow, I feel so loved, When I get lynched you'll all regret it!

WARORK93 wrote:Wow, I feel so loved, When I get lynched you'll all regret it!

That's a bit melodramatic for the RVS.

RustyKnight wrote:

WARORK93 wrote:Wow, I feel so loved, When I get lynched you'll all regret it!

That's a bit melodramatic for the RVS.

You're a bit melodramatic for the RVS!

Vote: RustyKnight

((ooc I have an Ofsted inspection (school inspection, to the non-Brits) on Tuesday and Wednesday, so I probably won't be posting here until Thursday))

Lord-Loss wrote:

RustyKnight wrote:

WARORK93 wrote:Wow, I feel so loved, When I get lynched you'll all regret it!

That's a bit melodramatic for the RVS.

You're a bit melodramatic for the RVS!

Vote: RustyKnight

I do agree, I will not suffer a slight to my honor!

Vote: RustyKnight!

Hey guys if you already have voted for one person remember to Unvote before voting for another.

Right you are then Unvote: Lord Loss

OOC: This is the RVS, or Random Voting Stage, and it's where we get the discussion started by randomly voting. There's no offical end to the RVS but it considered over when people start arguing.

OCC: Should have actually been called the Probing Voting Stage as it gives off the wrong impression to the newer plays. But it's all the same.

OOC: I figured nobody was actually taking any of this seriously so I started not to either. This is my first time playing mafia so I'm kinda wingin it on what everybody else does for now.

OOC: Nah it's fine gets the discussion rolling, it's when it starts to drag on for way too long that it starts to become a bad thing.

Also, nothing is actually random.

Look at Stynier, he's already stating a belief that obviouslly *both* me and Lord Loss are the scum because obviouslly the scum will act in concert on every vote.

Meanwhile Fifty is taking an interesting tack by attacking Stynier who is attacking me while I'm attacking Fifty. I actually kind of like this play because it shows Fifty is aware of how I play the game early on (aggressive wagon creation) and probably recognized it as a touch odd that Stynier is acting shocked that I would do such a thing. I approve of this play;

Unvote: Fifty
Vote: Brother Stynier

Also, as usual, ferret opts to sit on the sidelines and mock the RVS process all while still failing to actually contribute anything. As usual - I'm favorably inclined towards a policy lynch on him just because he always plays to avoid giving a read Day 1 and I always find that suspect.

Thor665 wrote: Also, nothing is actually random.

I'd imagine it's safe to say that voting based on names is fairly meaningless early on.

Thor665 wrote:Look at Stynier, he's already stating a belief that obviouslly *both* me and Lord Loss are the scum because obviouslly the scum will act in concert on every vote.

He merely stated that it was odd that you both voted for the same person right out of the gates. The early nature of this vote combined with its overly flowery wording leads me to believe he was using the concerted nature of you and Lord-Loss's votes as an excuse to do something in the RVS/PVS.

Thor665 wrote:Meanwhile Fifty is taking an interesting tack by attacking Stynier who is attacking me while I'm attacking Fifty. I actually kind of like this play because it shows Fifty is aware of how I play the game early on (aggressive wagon creation) and probably recognized it as a touch odd that Stynier is acting shocked that I would do such a thing. I approve of this play;

Once again, overly complex wording and the fairly nonsensical contentof Fifty's post (all the fluff about the numberof murders and the that scum don't go first) lead me to believe his was also a rather random vote. I find it strange that you are so willing to guess at other's motivations. Hoping to lead others astray with seemingly insightful observations?

Thor665 wrote:Also, as usual, ferret opts to sit on the sidelines and mock the RVS process all while still failing to actually contribute anything. As usual - I'm favorably inclined towards a policy lynch on him just because he always plays to avoid giving a read Day 1 and I always find that suspect.

This is true.

Thor665 wrote:Also, nothing is actually random.

Look at Stynier, he's already stating a belief that obviouslly *both* me and Lord Loss are the scum because obviouslly the scum will act in concert on every vote.

Meanwhile Fifty is taking an interesting tack by attacking Stynier who is attacking me while I'm attacking Fifty. I actually kind of like this play because it shows Fifty is aware of how I play the game early on (aggressive wagon creation) and probably recognized it as a touch odd that Stynier is acting shocked that I would do such a thing. I approve of this play;

Unvote: Fifty
Vote: Brother Stynier

Also, as usual, ferret opts to sit on the sidelines and mock the RVS process all while still failing to actually contribute anything. As usual - I'm favorably inclined towards a policy lynch on him just because he always plays to avoid giving a read Day 1 and I always find that suspect.

Or you know I could be doing that thing I normally do Thor. Or Im suspecting that you and Fifty are working together. Its also possible to be neither of the above, and I'm just looking for an excuse to not jump of Ferret for doing what he always does.

I meant jump ON Ferret.

Well to be fair The_Ferrets early game antics are suspicous but we can grasp from previous exprience that he alwas does this, regardless of whether he's scum or not. I find your suspiciousness of The_Ferrets suspicousness, of the RVS, suspicous Thor.

OOC: Oh Styner, you dawg you. I never knew you thought that way.

Current Voting Situation
0 - Fifty
0 - n0t_u
0 - Drk_Oblitr8r
2 - BrotherStynier (Fifty, Thor665)
2 - RustyKnight (WARORK93, Lord-Loss)
0 - the_ferrett
2 - WARORK93 (Mordoskul, RustyKnight)
0 - Mordoskul
0 - Lord-Loss
1 - Thor665 (BrotherStynier)

0 - No lynch

Not voting (the_ferrett, n0t_u, Drk_Oblitr8r)
Not posted during Day 1 (Drk_Oblitr8r)

If the day ended now, nobody would be lynched

Lord-Loss votes Fifty
WARORK93 votes Lord-LOss
Thor665 votes Fifty
BrotherStynier votes Thor665
Fifty votes BrotherStynier
RustyKnight votes WARORK93
Mordoskul votes WARORK93
Lord-Loss unvotes Fifty
Lord-Loss votes RustyKnight
WARORK93 unvotes Lord-Loss
WARORK93 votes RustyKnight
Thor665 unvotes Fifty
Thor665 votes BrotherStynier

RustyKnight wrote:I'd imagine it's safe to say that voting based on names is fairly meaningless early on.

Independent of everything else, yes. But depending on when and how they vote based on a name, and who they vote, and how much they do or do not emphasize how "random" it is you can then draw conclusions off their actions. Nothing is random.

RustyKnight wrote:He merely stated that it was odd that you both voted for the same person right out of the gates. The early nature of this vote combined with its overly flowery wording leads me to believe he was using the concerted nature of you and Lord-Loss's votes as an excuse to do something in the RVS/PVS.

Well...he stated it was odd and *voted me*. By dint of him voting me obviously he thought something was there worth exploring - do you or do you not find his stated logic worthwhile? If you don't find his stated logic worthwhile (I don't) does that or does it not make you wonder what his actual logic was?

RustyKnight wrote:I find it strange that you are so willing to guess at other's motivations. Hoping to lead others astray with seemingly insightful observations?

Or lead them correctly with hopefully insightful observations. Do you really think I'm just sounding off to look smart? Or do you think I was sounding off to explain the logic in the game as I saw it thus far? While we're at it, why does the use of any flowery language at all apparently absolve a player of any consequences of a subsequently placed vote in your mind? If I was to go "Prithee m'lord, verily forsooth" prior to putting a vote on someone does it automatically mean my vote shouldn't be considered strategic? I think you're being a bit too willing to ignore the information we've already gained while also chipping away at one of the few players (me) who has dared to imply there vote has legitimate meaning.

Who do you think currently looks most suspicious?

the_ferrett wrote:OOC: Oh Styner, you dawg you. I never knew you thought that way.

OCC: Well you know how it can be after you're a few drinks in, I mean...

the_ferrett, n0t_u, Drk_Oblitr8r

Would love to see a vote from them.

Preferably on Stynier, but wherever you feel is best is also an acceptable method.

Thor665 wrote:Independent of everything else, yes. But depending on when and how they vote based on a name, and who they vote, and how much they do or do not emphasize how "random" it is you can then draw conclusions off their actions. Nothing is random.

Thor665 wrote: Well...he stated it was odd and *voted me*. By dint of him voting me obviously he thought something was there worth exploring - do you or do you not find his stated logic worthwhile? If you don't find his stated logic worthwhile (I don't) does that or does it not make you wonder what his actual logic was?

I'm taking his explanation at face value. He said he thought it was suspicious that you two voted for the same person; however, that's not really all that indicative of anything. Based on when he voted, I'm thinking he was just using that logic to make a vote to generate discussion.

Thor665 wrote: Or lead them correctly with hopefully insightful observations. Do you really think I'm just sounding off to look smart?

No, I wonder if you might be trying to lead others astray. Don't be so personal.

Thor665 wrote: While we're at it, why does the use of any flowery language at all apparently absolve a player of any consequences of a subsequently placed vote in your mind? If I was to go "Prithee m'lord, verily forsooth" prior to putting a vote on someone does it automatically mean my vote shouldn't be considered strategic?

Noone continues the in-character stuff into the middle of the game. It all happens at the beginning when nothing of any import has been done. Its usage makes me think the user isn't being entirely serious. Because its silly.

Thor665 wrote: I think you're being a bit too willing to ignore the information we've already gained while also chipping away at one of the few players (me) who has dared to imply there vote has legitimate meaning.

I question the validity of what you think we've gained. Misleading information is worse than no information.

Thor665 wrote: Who do you think currently looks most suspicious?

Right now? Probably you. You're the only player who has really tried making a case against someone with a vote, but your case was tenuous at best. Combined with your psychic ability to read into others actions (look at Fifty's vote- what you attribute to it isn't there) and the self-aggrandizing nature of this last post of yours, I think you have behaved the most scumlike thus far.

Of course, without the_ferret or others saying anything, we're playing with half a deck.

Im gonna have to side with Rusty and wonder why all the targeting of me for a simple random vote. Its not like I'm trying to rabble rouse, like you are. I was just stating a thought, you seem to be placing an awful lot of Guilt that isn't there upon me.

Also I'd like to say that if Thor and I survive this round, yet I fail to make it through the night, be cautious about targeting solely him. After all he could be completely innocent and they could be using him as a scape goat.

RustyKnight wrote:No, I wonder if you might be trying to lead others astray. Don't be so personal.

And yet that's two sides of the same coin. Obviously I'm leading -I always do. You brought up that i might be leading wrong without considering that I might be leading right, why so focused on the negative possibility? I didn't take it personal, I simply showed how you were being narrow in your focus by showing there was a second way to look at it.

RustyKnight wrote:Noone continues the in-character stuff into the middle of the game. It all happens at the beginning when nothing of any import has been done. Its usage makes me think the user isn't being entirely serious. Because its silly.

How do we move beyond everyone just joking?
By someone taking something seriously.
Is there an issue you have with the taking seriously happening on Page 1 as opposed to page...5? I'm not sure what point you're even making. Yeah, sure, he might have been joking, but his joke involved very poor logic. Why not call him to task for that? I could let it slide...but what would that tell me about him?

RustyKnight wrote:Misleading information is worse than no information.

Personally I disagree, because at least with misleading information you can eventually learn the conclusion is wrong and that catapults you towards learning what is right. No information is simply a void.

RustyKnight wrote:Right now? Probably you. You're the only player who has really tried making a case against someone with a vote, but your case was tenuous at best. Combined with your psychic ability to read into others actions (look at Fifty's vote- what you attribute to it isn't there) and the self-aggrandizing nature of this last post of yours, I think you have behaved the most scumlike thus far.

Okay.
But what if I'm just joking, this is the joke stage don't'cha know? Don't take it so seriously dude, I'm just messing around

Oh...wait...by taking something *serious* you can draw a conclusion by projecting a motive onto my actions and deciding it's more likely true... Careful, you might be onto something there. Maybe the next step should be voting me? If I am the most suspicious I might as well be your vote, shouldn't I? It's not like any one else looks equally suspicious at the moment, and if you vote me you can see how I react and also see who is/isn't willing to vote for me.

RustyKnight wrote:Of course, without the_ferret or others saying anything, we're playing with half a deck.

Yes, but we're still playing so until we can see the whole deck (which happens after the game ends) let's try to make the best of it.

I'm fairly sure I wont stick to voting for Thor, after all we are both doing pretty much what we always do.

How ever my vote for Thor is pretty much a wasted one, right now with no pressure being applied at all, not that there really is any pressure to be applied day one. Unless people think they could actually break a traitor or anyone else into giving themselves away.

So I'm going to Unvote: Thor and instead cast it towards Ferret, for old times sake. Vote: Ferret

Come on and vote even if its for me, Ferret.

Thor665 wrote: You brought up that i might be leading wrong without considering that I might be leading right, why so focused on the negative possibility?

I considered that you might be right. Unfortunately, your argument was crap, so I've moved on to examining why you made such a poor argument.

Thor665 wrote:
How do we move beyond everyone just joking?
By someone taking something seriously.
Is there an issue you have with the taking seriously happening on Page 1 as opposed to page...5? I'm not sure what point you're even making. Yeah, sure, he might have been joking, but his joke involved very poor logic. Why not call him to task for that? I could let it slide...but what would that tell me about him?

Why pick BroStyn? Several others, including me, voted for stupid things like names. At least BroSytn had a real reason (that you had voted with someone else). Not a great reason, but he didn't make any random guesses.

Thor665 wrote:Okay.
But what if I'm just joking, this is the joke stage don't'cha know? Don't take it so seriously dude, I'm just messing around

You yourself have been arguing that nothing is random. Can't have your cake an eat it to. Regardless, you haven't been speaking in overly flowery language, and your accusation was more involved than any before. You seem a bit...flumoxed.

Thor665 wrote:Oh...wait...by taking something *serious* you can draw a conclusion by projecting a motive onto my actions and deciding it's more likely true... Careful, you might be onto something there. Maybe the next step should be voting me? If I am the most suspicious I might as well be your vote, shouldn't I? It's not like any one else looks equally suspicious at the moment, and if you vote me you can see how I react and also see who is/isn't willing to vote for me.

Take something meaningful serious. Don't pick something random (nothing is random) and make things up. Projecting may just be a bad choice of words on your part, but that implies that the motive isn't there. I'm keeping my vote on WARORK93 for the time being so that I may see how he reacts. You're already doing enough reacting without my vote.

Well.... if we're reminicing.... I'd have to self vote, now wouldn't I? But we're not, so I won't. Think of it this way, Stiener, what does more hurt to the team, one person holding back until they see more evidence, or a team auto-lynching over a misplaced word, probably because the sayer is tired. Like now, now it is 6am and I am yawning every second word. Does this make me lynchable?

Absolutely Ferrett.

UNVOTE: Ferrett

Now that's out of my system.

Thor665 wrote:Preferably on Stynier, but wherever you feel is best is also an acceptable method.

Is the additional pressure on him needed though?

I'll admit I haven't done this for a while so was taking it a little easy until I got the hang of it again. Asking to put it on Stynier does come across as a bit suspicious though, but obviously joking there.


Although Stynier did back off of Ferret a little too easily there. Making both slightly more suspicious, though Stynier more so then Ferret.

VOTE: BrotherStynier

I was more settled the times I shut up the first day, all this is doing is making me angry. So your logic is FINE and SENSIBLE, but mine is a suspicious making thing and people who listen to me are likely to be guilty.

I guess I'll shut up and let Thor be the only voice of reason as he does SO well in these kinds of things. Especially when he's the hunter.

(OFF TOPIC
RE poking of Drk_O - please see sign up thread
/OFF TOPIC)

RustyKnight wrote:At least BroSytn had a real reason (that you had voted with someone else). Not a great reason, but he didn't make any random guesses.

Whoa...weren't you just telling me to back off because he was only kidding? Aren't you the one trying to have it both ways now? Why so much Brother Stynier defense? You've acted more upset by my vote on him than he has - why is that?

RustyKnight wrote:

Thor665 wrote:Okay.
But what if I'm just joking, this is the joke stage don't'cha know? Don't take it so seriously dude, I'm just messing around

You yourself have been arguing that nothing is random. Can't have your cake an eat it to. Regardless, you haven't been speaking in overly flowery language, and your accusation was more involved than any before. You seem a bit...flumoxed.

...
Did you notice the laughing face after the question? What do you think the laughing face means in connection to the precedding sentence considering it *is* a reversal of what I'd been saying. Am I flummoxed or do you not appreciate my gallant wit?

I'd be really happy with either a Stynier or Rusty Knight lynch at this point in time.

@ferret - while you're waiting for absolute proof (TM) how about you weigh in on Rusty's reactions to the Stynier pressure and his sort of strange reversal wherein he first defended Steiner from me for joking, and then defended him by saying other people were joking more and Stynier had reasons. Do you think that's a strange position shift? Also, why do you think he's so willing to defend Stynier?

@Stynier - same question as above. I'd love your opinion on this conversation.

Absolute proof unfortunately doesn't happen until someone dies in this game...

n0t_u wrote:

Thor665 wrote:Preferably on Stynier, but wherever you feel is best is also an acceptable method.

Is the additional pressure on him needed though?

I'll admit I haven't done this for a while so was taking it a little easy until I got the hang of it again. Asking to put it on Stynier does come across as a bit suspicious though, but obviously joking there.


Although Stynier did back off of Ferret a little too easily there. Making both slightly more suspicious, though Stynier more so then Ferret.

VOTE: BrotherStynier

You see now I have to vote for someone that has 2 votes on them just so I don't get killed, you forced this.


Vote: WARORK93

Thor665 wrote:

@Stynier - same question as above. I'd love your opinion on this conversation.

Honestly I'm not too sure why he's doing it, I mean I could throw out all sorts of Wild Guessing as to why. Like perhaps he and I really are the guilty party, or maybe he's guilty and trying to make me look guilty. Perhaps he's going off of a "he's useful later in the game generally" line of thinking. If you're wondering whether or not this defense concerns me, it does, it seems to be doing more harm than good.

Will I vote for him this stage? No, that seems unwise when you have rabble roused two others to your cause.

Thor665 wrote:Whoa...weren't you just telling me to back off because he was only kidding? Aren't you the one trying to have it both ways now? Why so much Brother Stynier defense? You've acted more upset by my vote on him than he has - why is that?

I never said he was only kidding. I accused you of using a crappy argument and construing what was a fairly harmless query in the RVS into some sort of diabolical machination. He could be more upset because you and he are in cahoots. That would explain why you randomly choose him out of all the other silly votes on page one and why you avoided answering why you randomly chose him.

Thor665 wrote:
...
Did you notice the laughing face after the question? What do you think the laughing face means in connection to the precedding sentence considering it *is* a reversal of what I'd been saying. Am I flummoxed or do you not appreciate my gallant wit?

I took the laughing face as an indication of the mirth felt by being such a prankster. If I misunderstood then I apologize.

Thor665 wrote:
I'd be really happy with either a Stynier or Rusty Knight lynch at this point in time.

Firstly, it's page two. We still have over a week of conversation and you'd be happy with lynching already. Secondly, why Stynier? All he did was accuse you of voting in concert with someone else. Either you are far too reckless or you just want to distance yourself from Stynier.

Thor665 wrote:
@ferret - while you're waiting for absolute proof (TM) how about you weigh in on Rusty's reactions to the Stynier pressure and his sort of strange reversal wherein he first defended Steiner from me for joking, and then defended him by saying other people were joking more and Stynier had reasons. Do you think that's a strange position shift?

I didn't reverse my role. I merely questioned taking his accusation as an entirely serious and well reasoned indictment of guilt. He could be talking in jest and still have a valid argument. Why so eager to miscontrue others words?

Thor665 wrote:
Also, why do you think he's so willing to defend Stynier?

I like to think of it more as attacking faulty reasoning than defending any particular person. Stynier is actually my number two suspect now. Maybe number one.
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We should probably keep the vote counts down until we hear from everyone. We're still missing input from several players. (making Thor's bloodthirstiness all the more interesting)

*fake Arnie voice* "IF I AM NOT ME, THEN WHO THE HELL AM I??"

*flails in confusion*
Vote:Fifty
Unvote:Fifty
Vote:n0t_u
Unvote:n0t_u
Vote: Drk_Oblitr8r
Unvote: Drk_Oblitr8r
Vote:BrotherStynier
Unvote:BrotherStynier
Vote:RustyKnight
Unvote:RustyKnight
Vote:the_ferrett
Unvote:the_ferrett
Vote:WARORK93
Unvote:WARORK93
Vote:Mordoskul
Unvote:Mordoskul
Vote:Lord-Loss
Unvote:Lord-Loss
Vote:Thor665
Unvote:Thor665

*stops flailing, and looks around*

I mean... Hi...

[Edited so I didn't Voterk_Oblitr8r]

BrotherStynier wrote:

n0t_u wrote:

Thor665 wrote:Preferably on Stynier, but wherever you feel is best is also an acceptable method.

Is the additional pressure on him needed though?

I'll admit I haven't done this for a while so was taking it a little easy until I got the hang of it again. Asking to put it on Stynier does come across as a bit suspicious though, but obviously joking there.


Although Stynier did back off of Ferret a little too easily there. Making both slightly more suspicious, though Stynier more so then Ferret.

VOTE: BrotherStynier

You see now I have to vote for someone that has 2 votes on them just so I don't get killed, you forced this.


Vote: WARORK93

Just noticed the vote totals, isn't it 6 to lynch as there is 10 of us?

n0t_u wrote:

BrotherStynier wrote:

n0t_u wrote:

Thor665 wrote:Preferably on Stynier, but wherever you feel is best is also an acceptable method.

Is the additional pressure on him needed though?

I'll admit I haven't done this for a while so was taking it a little easy until I got the hang of it again. Asking to put it on Stynier does come across as a bit suspicious though, but obviously joking there.


Although Stynier did back off of Ferret a little too easily there. Making both slightly more suspicious, though Stynier more so then Ferret.

VOTE: BrotherStynier

You see now I have to vote for someone that has 2 votes on them just so I don't get killed, you forced this.


Vote: WARORK93

Just noticed the vote totals, isn't it 6 to lynch as there is 10 of us?

I beleive it was meant that if the dayphase suddenly ran out of time perhaps

When the dayphase ends, whoever has the most votes will be lynched, but in the case of a tie, nobody gets lynched...

Both sides make interesting points.
The skipping back and forth is permissable at the moment. May I request a summery of the turning points, as if I'm not mistaken.....
No, if I'm right with that then elaborating will get me killed. Does seem careless to do that though.

Hint, I'm thinking Thor's ordinance is close but no cigar. Super close.

BrotherStynier wrote:You see now I have to vote for someone that has 2 votes on them just so I don't get killed, you forced this.


Vote: WARORK93

Why do you have to do this now? We still have days till the end.

the_ferrett wrote: Both sides make interesting points.

How is it on that fence?

the_ferrett wrote:The skipping back and forth is permissable at the moment. May I request a summery of the turning points, as if I'm not mistaken.....
No, if I'm right with that then elaborating will get me killed. Does seem careless to do that though.

What? Why do you need a summary? There's only two pages and you've been here for all of them. What "skipping back and forth"? If you think you figured something out, why not tell us? What happens if you get night-killed before telling us.

the_ferrett wrote:Hint, I'm thinking Thor's ordinance is close but no cigar. Super close.

His "command"? His "public injunction"? Are yopu saying you would be happy with lynching Stynier? Based on what?

Note that I am not certain, therefore I will not vote, but to clear the air of where my thoughts are leading.... I'm suspect of Rusty.

It that transparent enough for you?

You'll never be certain. Why do you suspect me?
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Going back to your last post, what do you mean by "skipping back and forth"?
---

BrotherStynier wrote:Like perhaps he and I really are the guilty party, or maybe he's guilty and trying to make me look guilty.

If I am guilty, why am I making such a scene? Why would I blow my cover so early to protect you? I've played before and won; why would I act so overwhelmingly stupid this game? What if I'm a regular joe just trying to stop dumb arguments from being employed.

Why use the stupid vote? Because it succeeded before. 3-4 games ago if memory serves (which it never does).

Votes going on and off at quick succession - to your repeated question.

the_ferrett wrote:Note that I am not certain, therefore I will not vote, but to clear the air of where my thoughts are leading.... I'm suspect of Rusty.

It that transparent enough for you?

I like your ordinance guesstimate as well - honestly the only thing not making me switch was the way Styneir voted for the Ork. But something is odd in the energy amongst the pair of them.

Also, as usual, I'm always up to lynch Drk_O. I'm not sure we've ever been "right" when we lynched him, but we were always right - if you get what I mean

the_ferrett wrote:Why use the stupid vote? Because it succeeded before. 3-4 games ago if memory serves (which it never does).

Please elaborate.

Thor665 wrote:But something is odd in the energy amongst the pair of them.

Please explain. BrotherStynier hasn't exactly acted warm towards me or backed me up. I thought I've been clear that I'm more interested in investigating your actions than defending him from scrutiny.

Thor665 wrote:Also, as usual, I'm always up to lynch Drk_O. I'm not sure we've ever been "right" when we lynched him, but we were always right - if you get what I mean

I get it!

Should I skip my "I'm gonna put more time into this game" speech? I'm just going to do better instead...

See what I did there

In anycase, I still find the_ferretts cautious play suspicious. Why do you have to hide? I know you say it's better to vote with a fairly solid case(or something along those lines), and I have to agree with you. It is, in theory. But it makes you a singularity, making a 3rdish team...

RustyKnight wrote:

Thor665 wrote:But something is odd in the energy amongst the pair of them.

Please explain. BrotherStynier hasn't exactly acted warm towards me or backed me up.

And therein lies the connection. You're not friendly or at each others throats. You two are more aloof. Less is more? I think that's the point I'm trying to make ^_^"

Oh right there is still a few days left, I had thought we had put more time in than we had thought. I'm going to go with the same argument everyone else is using so far, if I was the scum would I act like this?

Infact I want you to think back to other games and answer when did I ever act like this when I was scum. Never, I've acted like this as an innocent though.

Course I could just be misleading.

Aside from Thor, I've treated everyone rather neutrally.

the_ferret always acts like this. I guess lynching him day one could make for a good default strategy.

The long answer to Drk_O's question is well I sat down and tried to give you it, but each time I'd wince and realise that what I was typing I didn't want public knowledge.

I do have my pride.
And the why is extremely personal. Let's just say I have reasons to believe that old habits of mine are flawed - rushing in with passion being one of them. Thus the cation. Or the Anion.

As to Rusty's elaborate question, I'll need to be vague if only because memory is not giving me whole facts.
3-4 games ago certain people played silly buggers, imitating a ridiculously good innocent idiot. Their 'niave votes' soon became 'irrelevant' and the driving force of the good side ignored them to turn upon itself. The 'idiots' won. Thus its all been done before.

BrotherStynier wrote:I'm going to go with the same argument everyone else is using so far, if I was the scum would I act like this?

I think I'm the only one who has used that argument. What are you acting like? You made a weak accusation on page one, Thor made a weaker accusation, I attacked him for the weak attack, he attacked me, and you watched then said I was suspicious. You haven't been calling all that attention to yourself. I've called far more attention to either one of us.

BrotherStynier wrote:Infact I want you to think back to other games and answer when did I ever act like this when I was scum. Never, I've acted like this as an innocent though.

I've changed my playstyle everytime I've played. First game (scum), I played it safe and quiet. Second game (Inquisitor/Far Seer), I played it safe until I found someone then attacked them hard (a mistake, but my real error was missing my deadline). This game I've opened with my aggressive foot forward.

My point is, past action isn't all that good an indicator if you show an awareness of your patterns and an ability to change them.

the_ferrett wrote: The long answer to Drk_O's question is well I sat down and tried to give you it, but each time I'd wince and realise that what I was typing I didn't want public knowledge.

If it's personal in nature it shouldn't be relevant. If it's related to the game, you should want to tell us. What happens if you get lynched or night-killed? Your secret never gets told. That could cost us the game. If you think you've noticed a pattern- spit it out!

the_ferrett wrote: As to Rusty's elaborate question, I'll need to be vague if only because memory is not giving me whole facts.
3-4 games ago certain people played silly buggers, imitating a ridiculously good innocent idiot. Their 'niave votes' soon became 'irrelevant' and the driving force of the good side ignored them to turn upon itself. The 'idiots' won. Thus its all been done before.

Who here is playing the fool? Lots of people are hiding in the dark, but all of us vocal peeps (BroStyn, Thor, and myself) have been serious in demeanor.

Unvote: WARORK93
Vote: the_ferret

I want to know what you think you know!
---
Any chance we could get a vote tally soon?

A) It is a PERSONAL reason to change a PERSONAL play style. Kind of like me deciding to go with a horse lead instead of a pawn lead in chess. Tactically insignificant.

B) Until recently, no you haven't. Until..... oh 1/2 a page ago we were still all 'RVS'ing and cracking jokes. That's not serious in demeanor. And please try not to lie but saying otherwise.

Current Voting Situation
0 - Fifty
0 - n0t_u
0 - Drk_Oblitr8r
3 - BrotherStynier (Fifty, Thor665, n0t_u)
2 - RustyKnight (WARORK93, Lord-Loss)
1 - the_ferrett (RustyKnight
2 - WARORK93 (Mordoskul, BrotherStynier)
0 - Mordoskul
0 - Lord-Loss
0 - Thor665

0 - No lynch

Not voting (the_ferrett, Drk_Oblitr8r)
Not posted during Day 1 (-)

If the day ended now, BrotherStynier would be lynched

Day 1 ends at MIDNIGHT GMT 18th March 2011 [8 Days 0 Hours 21 Minutes]

Lord-Loss votes Fifty
WARORK93 votes Lord-LOss
Thor665 votes Fifty
BrotherStynier votes Thor665
Fifty votes BrotherStynier
RustyKnight votes WARORK93
Mordoskul votes WARORK93
Lord-Loss unvotes Fifty
Lord-Loss votes RustyKnight
WARORK93 unvotes Lord-Loss
WARORK93 votes RustyKnight
Thor665 unvotes Fifty
Thor665 votes BrotherStynier
BrotherStynier unvotes Thor665
BrotherStynier votes the_ferrett
BrotherStynier unvotes the_ferrett
n0t_u votes BrotherStynier
BrotherStynier votes WARORK93
Drk_Oblitr8r votes Fifty
Drk_Oblitr8r unvotes Fifty
Drk_Oblitr8r votes n0t_u
Drk_Oblitr8r unvotes n0t_u
Drk_Oblitr8r votes Drk_Oblitr8r
Drk_Oblitr8r unvotes Drk_Oblitr8r
Drk_Oblitr8r votes BrotherStynier
Drk_Oblitr8r unvotes BrotherStynier
Drk_Oblitr8r votes RustyKnight
Drk_Oblitr8r unvotes RustyKnight
Drk_Oblitr8r votes the_ferrett
Drk_Oblitr8r unvotes the_ferrett
Drk_Oblitr8r votes WARORK93
Drk_Oblitr8r unvotes WARORK93
Drk_Oblitr8r votes Mordoskul
Drk_Oblitr8r unvotes Mordoskul
Drk_Oblitr8r votes Lord-Loss
Drk_Oblitr8r unvotes Lord-Loss
Drk_Oblitr8r votes Thor665
Drk_Oblitr8r unvotes Thor665
(Dang you Drk_O...)
RustyKnight unvotes WARORK93
RustyKnight votes the_ferrett

(OFF TOPIC
Lord-Loss has declared he'd like to leave, if I can replace him by the end of day 1 we'll continue as if nothing happened, if not then he'll die then
/OFF TOPIC)

You could just say "Drk_O votes for everyone" then "Drk_o unvotes everyone"

I like your answer the_ferrett, reguardless of how much it all boils down to "because I said". I'm not sure who to vote for yet myself, maybe everyone again?

Actually, I'll vote:n0t_u because only I have, and maybe he'll talk.

But n0t_u doesn't seem like such a bad guy to me.

Thats cause you see everything in inverted colours!

the_ferrett wrote: A) It is a PERSONAL reason to change a PERSONAL play style. Kind of like me deciding to go with a horse lead instead of a pawn lead in chess. Tactically insignificant.

So you refuse to participate in a meaningful way for personal reasons that you won't discuss. That's not suspicious at all.

the_ferrett wrote:B) Until recently, no you haven't. Until..... oh 1/2 a page ago we were still all 'RVS'ing and cracking jokes. That's not serious in demeanor. And please try not to lie but saying otherwise.

The sixth post of page two is Thor's rebuttal to my initial salvo. Before that we have discussion of you (and whether to consider you suspicious). After that we get into the meat of Thor v Rust v BroSty, with us three posting a massive proportion of that days votes. I'd contend that the silliness of the RVS was curtailed towards the end of page one (with the events that lead to Thor and I posting several massive multi-quotes). Are there some jokes on page two? Yes, but the majority of the page isn't consumed with silliness. Furthermore, people stopped voting for silly things like names after page one.
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Unless I'm mistaken, Mordoskul, Fifty, and WARORK93 have all been rather quiet for a while now. Perhaps you could share your thoughts, especially as they pertain to the_ferrets taciturn-ness... and Thor and I's arguments.

@Rusty - you've played in games with ferret before, yes?

I think at least two.

At least one!

Thor665 wrote:@Rusty - you've played in games with ferret before, yes?

Yes; two I think.

I have been unable to find anyone to replace Lord-Loss. I will leave it until the end of Day phase 1 before I give up totally, but it will be a pain to potentially lose 3 people on Day 1. Ah well, them's the way the cards fall

Current Voting Situation
0 - Fifty
1 - n0t_u (Drk_Oblitr8r)
0 - Drk_Oblitr8r
3 - BrotherStynier (Fifty, Thor665, n0t_u)
2 - RustyKnight (WARORK93, Lord-Loss)
1 - the_ferrett (RustyKnight
2 - WARORK93 (Mordoskul, BrotherStynier)
0 - Mordoskul
0 - Lord-Loss
0 - Thor665

0 - No lynch

Not voting (the_ferrett)
Not posted during Day 1 (-)

If the day ended now, BrotherStynier would be lynched

Day 1 ends at MIDNIGHT GMT 18th March 2011 [4 Days 15 Hours 4 Minutes]

Lord-Loss votes Fifty
WARORK93 votes Lord-LOss
Thor665 votes Fifty
BrotherStynier votes Thor665
Fifty votes BrotherStynier
RustyKnight votes WARORK93
Mordoskul votes WARORK93
Lord-Loss unvotes Fifty
Lord-Loss votes RustyKnight
WARORK93 unvotes Lord-Loss
WARORK93 votes RustyKnight
Thor665 unvotes Fifty
Thor665 votes BrotherStynier
BrotherStynier unvotes Thor665
BrotherStynier votes the_ferrett
BrotherStynier unvotes the_ferrett
n0t_u votes BrotherStynier
BrotherStynier votes WARORK93
Drk_Oblitr8r votes Fifty
Drk_Oblitr8r unvotes Fifty
Drk_Oblitr8r votes n0t_u
Drk_Oblitr8r unvotes n0t_u
Drk_Oblitr8r votes Drk_Oblitr8r
Drk_Oblitr8r unvotes Drk_Oblitr8r
Drk_Oblitr8r votes BrotherStynier
Drk_Oblitr8r unvotes BrotherStynier
Drk_Oblitr8r votes RustyKnight
Drk_Oblitr8r unvotes RustyKnight
Drk_Oblitr8r votes the_ferrett
Drk_Oblitr8r unvotes the_ferrett
Drk_Oblitr8r votes WARORK93
Drk_Oblitr8r unvotes WARORK93
Drk_Oblitr8r votes Mordoskul
Drk_Oblitr8r unvotes Mordoskul
Drk_Oblitr8r votes Lord-Loss
Drk_Oblitr8r unvotes Lord-Loss
Drk_Oblitr8r votes Thor665
Drk_Oblitr8r unvotes Thor665
RustyKnight unvotes WARORK93
RustyKnight votes the_ferrett
Drk_Oblitr8r votes n0t_u

((ooc Sorry, I had an OfSTED inspection last week at school, followed by my Mum's birthday and an away game this weekend. Back now))

RustyKnight wrote:

Thor665 wrote: Who do you think currently looks most suspicious?

Right now? Probably you. You're the only player who has really tried making a case against someone with a vote, but your case was tenuous at best. Combined with your psychic ability to read into others actions (look at Fifty's vote- what you attribute to it isn't there) and the self-aggrandizing nature of this last post of yours, I think you have behaved the most scumlike thus far.

Of course, without the_ferret or others saying anything, we're playing with half a deck.

Actually, although there was a lot of fluffy writing in my post, and although I don't regard anything that had happened up to that point as solid evidence, Thor has a fairly good read on why I voted the way I did. Thor will always taking a leading role whether or not he is scum - I've seen him do it, so there is nothing to learn from him acting in such a way. The vote on Stynier was not because he ought to have known better about Thor, but was a fishing expedition to learn how he would react to my turning the vote on him.

I've yet to decide 100% how I feel about Stynier's recation. It seems a bit defensive, but not alarmingly so. I am quite interested in the dynamic between him and Rusty Knight. Some of the posts by Rusty seem to me to be written from the point of view of someone who trying to convince people they are not scum, not someone who actually isn't scum.

So far I am just forming ideas, and am far from settling any of my ideas on anyone, but I've had some good hunches AND some bad hunches in the past, so I need to mull on what I have come up with so far.

RustyKnight wrote:

Thor665 wrote:@Rusty - you've played in games with ferret before, yes?

Yes; two I think.

To my recollection we've lynched him Day 1 on multiple occasions for this very playstyle and he flipped town each time. Would you like to explain to me why you want to lynch him, because it sounds like "playstyle" and you should be aware that's not a smart lynch reason with him, yes?

I am more worried about Drk_Obliter8r's quiet than Ferret, so far.

That is very un-Drk.

I am slightly reassured by his mentalist vote-switching though.

Thor665 wrote:

RustyKnight wrote:

Thor665 wrote:@Rusty - you've played in games with ferret before, yes?

Yes; two I think.

To my recollection we've lynched him Day 1 on multiple occasions for this very playstyle and he flipped town each time. Would you like to explain to me why you want to lynch him, because it sounds like "playstyle" and you should be aware that's not a smart lynch reason with him, yes?

In one of the two games that I've played, the_ferret was a scum player.

He's avoiding voicing his thoughts and he's making false claims. He's either not useful or he's scum. Either way, he's my favorite to lynch in the absence of any evidence against anyone else. Of course, I'd also be okay with lynching one of the excessively quiet people for being useless.

Fifty wrote:Some of the posts by Rusty seem to me to be written from the point of view of someone who trying to convince people they are not scum, not someone who actually isn't scum.

I don't know how to respond to this.

Fifty wrote:I am more worried about Drk_Obliter8r's quiet than Ferret, so far.

Everyone's quiet. We're on page three with only a few days left in this day phase. We have next to nothing from Mordoskull and WARORK93.

Fifty wrote:I am more worried about Drk_Obliter8r's quiet than Ferret, so far.

That is very un-Drk.

I am slightly reassured by his mentalist vote-switching though.

On the contrary. Reguardless of what I do or say, it would never be "very un-Drk", because in doing it, it would be something I'd do.

Therefore, it'd be a very Drky thing to do

That, and everyones been quiet, like Rusty said.

RustyKnight wrote:
He's avoiding voicing his thoughts and he's making false claims. He's either not useful or he's scum. Either way, he's my favorite to lynch in the absence of any evidence against anyone else. Of course, I'd also be okay with lynching one of the excessively quiet people for being useless.

False claims? So its false claims for me to suspect you now. Wow.
Can I claim its false claims that you've VOTED for me?

Who's going and ACTING on less?

Let the record show that I am really confused

that is all......

@Rusty - I second ferret's comment, what claim was "false"

@WARORK93 - what is confusing you? (I'll go out on a limb and guess you thought you were getting into a RPG posting game?)

Thor665 wrote:@Rusty - I second ferret's comment, what claim was "false"

@WARORK93 - what is confusing you? (I'll go out on a limb and guess you thought you were getting into a RPG posting game?)

Well, no, I accepted the fact that it wasn't really an RPG type deal when it was said at the very beginning, but I just kind of feel out of place being among so many who have apparently already done all this before numerous times

Anyway, I figured there would be a lot less finger pointing but I guess its to be expected this early in the game.

I shall say this; With nothing productive to say, why bother speaking at all? I'm waiting for you lot to get it together so we can move on.

the_ferrett wrote:B) Until recently, no you haven't. Until..... oh 1/2 a page ago we were still all 'RVS'ing and cracking jokes. That's not serious in demeanor. And please try not to lie but saying otherwise.

The sixth post of page two is Thor's rebuttal to my initial salvo. Before that we have discussion of you (and whether to consider you suspicious). After that we get into the meat of Thor v Rust v BroSty, with us three posting a massive proportion of that days votes. I'd contend that the silliness of the RVS was curtailed towards the end of page one (with the events that lead to Thor and I posting several massive multi-quotes). Are there some jokes on page two? Yes, but the majority of the page isn't consumed with silliness. Furthermore, people stopped voting for silly things like names after page one.

I screwed up the quote in my last post. The bit of text between the_ferret's quote and the empty box is my own text from last page.

You're getting very pissy Rusty.

Current Voting Situation
0 - Fifty
1 - n0t_u (Drk_Oblitr8r)
0 - Drk_Oblitr8r
3 - BrotherStynier (Fifty, Thor665, n0t_u)
2 - RustyKnight (WARORK93, Lord-Loss)
1 - the_ferrett (RustyKnight)
2 - WARORK93 (Mordoskul, BrotherStynier)
0 - Mordoskul
0 - Lord-Loss
0 - Thor665

0 - No lynch

Not voting (the_ferrett)
Not posted during Day 1 (-)

If the day ended now, BrotherStynier would be lynched

Day 1 ends at MIDNIGHT GMT 18th March 2011 [0 Days 14 Hours 42 Minutes]

Lord-Loss votes Fifty
WARORK93 votes Lord-Loss
Thor665 votes Fifty
BrotherStynier votes Thor665
Fifty votes BrotherStynier
RustyKnight votes WARORK93
Mordoskul votes WARORK93
Lord-Loss unvotes Fifty
Lord-Loss votes RustyKnight
WARORK93 unvotes Lord-Loss
WARORK93 votes RustyKnight
Thor665 unvotes Fifty
Thor665 votes BrotherStynier
BrotherStynier unvotes Thor665
BrotherStynier votes the_ferrett
BrotherStynier unvotes the_ferrett
n0t_u votes BrotherStynier
BrotherStynier votes WARORK93
Drk_Oblitr8r votes Fifty
Drk_Oblitr8r unvotes Fifty
Drk_Oblitr8r votes n0t_u
Drk_Oblitr8r unvotes n0t_u
Drk_Oblitr8r votes Drk_Oblitr8r
Drk_Oblitr8r unvotes Drk_Oblitr8r
Drk_Oblitr8r votes BrotherStynier
Drk_Oblitr8r unvotes BrotherStynier
Drk_Oblitr8r votes RustyKnight
Drk_Oblitr8r unvotes RustyKnight
Drk_Oblitr8r votes the_ferrett
Drk_Oblitr8r unvotes the_ferrett
Drk_Oblitr8r votes WARORK93
Drk_Oblitr8r unvotes WARORK93
Drk_Oblitr8r votes Mordoskul
Drk_Oblitr8r unvotes Mordoskul
Drk_Oblitr8r votes Lord-Loss
Drk_Oblitr8r unvotes Lord-Loss
Drk_Oblitr8r votes Thor665
Drk_Oblitr8r unvotes Thor665
RustyKnight unvotes WARORK93
RustyKnight votes the_ferrett
Drk_Oblitr8r votes n0t_u

Alright we need to start getting way more serious now, less than 14 hours.

I'm interested in seeing where Ferret's vote goes. As for me I'm going to think mine over and decide if I should move it to someone else or not.

With 14 hours left I cannot with clear concious screw with our chances and vote Rusty.
With my suspicions I cannot in clear concious vote steiner.

I will be asleep for 90% of the remaining time.

I doubt I'll change my vote. the_ferret has made false claims, attempted misdirection, and made strange excuses.

the_ferret wrote:With 14 hours left I cannot with clear concious screw with our chances and vote Rusty.

If you think I'm guilty, vote! As it stands now, Stynier is going to die. If you don't think he's guilty, do something about it. Vote for me, explain why I'm more guilty, argue against lynching Stynier. Don't just say,"I'm not voting" and go to sleep.
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n0t_u wrote:I'm interested in seeing where Ferret's vote goes. As for me I'm going to think mine over and decide if I should move it to someone else or not.

Why are you currently voting for Stynier?

I think they are voting for me cause I lost track of the days and voted to try and delay my demise.

It may be too late now but I thought it over a bit and the Ferret seems more deserving of the vote currently.

However it would lead into a 3 way tie...

unvote: Stynier

Vote: Ferret

Now to elaborate in a new post as time is short most likely.

Over the last few pages he has seemed a fair bit more defensive than I've usually seen from him in game. I'm not too sure why he didn't decide to vote either, seems akin to voting for no lynch without falling for the obvious trap of voting for no lynch.

I haven't played any of these for a while so I'm a fair bit rusty though.

Well then, I guess I'll be the tie breaker!

Unvote: RustyKnight

Vote: Ferret

Seeing as this hasn't closed and I'm now spontaniously up for elimination. (Guess I can't solely blame Thor anymore.) I'm going to say this plainly and simply.

Better an innocent dies than effort being wated on proving him guilty.

1. I am sorry about the day running over, I had OOC things that meant I fell asleep an hour before the deadline. A deadline is however a deadline and I feel it's very unfair on the_ferrett to suffer because I wasn't here to finish the game. Therefore the past time vote switching will be discounted. Apologies to BrotherStynier, if you've seen the previous votes and thought you'd just got out by the skin of your teeth, I am going to ignore them, because otherwise it sets a precedent that the game deadlines aren't fixed, and future votes will be muddied by me being a little late and potentially missing votes that are cast as I write my ending post.

2. At the last moment RiTides has stepped forward and offered himself as Lord-Loss' replacement. Since the game has barely begun I feel this won't overly inconvenience the group, I hope that he fits in well.

Current Voting Situation
0 - Fifty
1 - n0t_u (Drk_Oblitr8r)
0 - Drk_Oblitr8r
3 - BrotherStynier (Fifty, Thor665, n0t_u)
2 - RustyKnight (Lord-Loss, WARORK93)
1 - the_ferrett (RustyKnight)
2 - WARORK93 (Mordoskul, BrotherStynier)
0 - Mordoskul
0 - RiTides
0 - Thor665

0 - No lynch

Not voting (the_ferrett)
Not posted during Day 1 (-)

The day has now ended, BrotherStynier will be lynched

Lord-Loss votes Fifty
WARORK93 votes Lord-Loss
Thor665 votes Fifty
BrotherStynier votes Thor665
Fifty votes BrotherStynier
RustyKnight votes WARORK93
Mordoskul votes WARORK93
Lord-Loss unvotes Fifty
Lord-Loss votes RustyKnight
WARORK93 unvotes Lord-Loss
WARORK93 votes RustyKnight
Thor665 unvotes Fifty
Thor665 votes BrotherStynier
BrotherStynier unvotes Thor665
BrotherStynier votes the_ferrett
BrotherStynier unvotes the_ferrett
n0t_u votes BrotherStynier
BrotherStynier votes WARORK93
Drk_Oblitr8r votes Fifty
Drk_Oblitr8r unvotes Fifty
Drk_Oblitr8r votes n0t_u
Drk_Oblitr8r unvotes n0t_u
Drk_Oblitr8r votes Drk_Oblitr8r
Drk_Oblitr8r unvotes Drk_Oblitr8r
Drk_Oblitr8r votes BrotherStynier
Drk_Oblitr8r unvotes BrotherStynier
Drk_Oblitr8r votes RustyKnight
Drk_Oblitr8r unvotes RustyKnight
Drk_Oblitr8r votes the_ferrett
Drk_Oblitr8r unvotes the_ferrett
Drk_Oblitr8r votes WARORK93
Drk_Oblitr8r unvotes WARORK93
Drk_Oblitr8r votes Mordoskul
Drk_Oblitr8r unvotes Mordoskul
Drk_Oblitr8r votes Lord-Loss
Drk_Oblitr8r unvotes Lord-Loss
Drk_Oblitr8r votes Thor665
Drk_Oblitr8r unvotes Thor665
RustyKnight unvotes WARORK93
RustyKnight votes the_ferrett
Drk_Oblitr8r votes n0t_u

Story Post:

The group of soldiers had to get away from the corpses, if the message was to be believed then they were the flesh of two of their comrades, men they had not known well, but good men nonetheless. Without even bothering to break camp as your drill sergeants had made you do so many times you gathered your belongings and walked away. The island was not big enough for you to be lost if you just chose a direction and walked, so that is exactly what you do. Twelve hours you march, and the paranoia grows. Soon small groups of soldiers gather, breaking apart and flowing together, as voices grow from whispers and mutters, to angry murmurs and finally outright accusations. As your legs finally weary and tempers begin to fray, three of the group seem to snap. Fifty walks up to BrotherStynier and pushes him, grabbing his face and trying to pull at it, as Thor665 joins him and n0t_u pins his arms behind his back. "We'll cut the demon out of you if we have to, you cur!" cries Fifty, pulling out his sword and driving it into his belly. Horrified by this sudden action, the others can only watch as blood sprays and the all too human innards of BrotherStynier are displayed. The shock on the three killers faces is palpable as they pull out intestines and flesh, unable to believe they could have been so wrong.

BrotherStynier falls to the ground, and Thor665 kneels at his side, seeing the glint of gold at his throat, he slowly pulls out a pendant in the shape of a hammer, the glow of it's connection to the Priest of Sigmar fading as his life force is sucked into the woods around you. You know now that to die here is to have your soul devoured by the woods, and there is no longer a priest watching over you...

This is going to be a very long night, but tiredness overtakes you all, and without even a pretence at forming a watch each man curls up away from the others, not sure who to trust, but knowing that tonight his life might end...

Your Actions:

The night phase will last 3 days (72 hours) from this story post. Therefore you have until Tuesday 22nd March 9AM GMT to PM me with your actions if you are able to do anything. And then we'll start Day 2...

(OOC: Double bugger)

BishopGore wrote:BrotherStynier - Priest of Sigmar, a victim of those he tried to save (lynched Day 1)

BishopGore wrote:You know now that to die here is to have your soul devoured by the woods, and there is no longer a priest watching over you...

So, as I join this game, it seems we've lynched our own detective on day 1?

I have not done this before via text, but I would assume this is not normal.

I've re-read the thread a few times, and I do not have experience of how people have previously acted. However, hopefully this experience will lead to the_ferret revealing his suspicions. We will have to figure out who the baddies are on our own, now...

I would also like an explanation of why WarOrk did not react to having a fair few votes on him- and then, instead of allowing no one to be lynched on Day 1, attempted to get the_ferret lynched at the last moment.

Clearly, it was unsuccessful, and we've lynched our poor detective... but it is interesting to me. Would appreciate people's thoughts on the matter post-lynching.

Also, when I ask about WarOrk voting to break the tie instead of "allowing no one to be lynched" I mean this: at the moment of his post (at what he thought was the last moment), there was a 4-way tie (2 votes apiece) between himself, BroStyr, Rusty, and the_ferret. Why not let more people make it to Day 2?

A killer could be eager to have someone die, just to make more progress. He also was rather quiet allowing suspicions to be placed elsewhere after he received a few random votes at the beginning. It could be that he didn't want to draw attention to himself, but couldn't stand having no one be lynched on Day 1.

Thoughts appreciated...

Like I said, I haven't done this before so I totally forgot about the deadline

That being said it find it.............frustrating that the first person who ends up dead is the guy who's supposed to be helping us.

btw I DID react to people voting for me, but its not like I complained about it or anything.

I also seem to have forgotten that there was a no lynch option....

Well, now that I feel like a complete and total jack lets get on with it shall we?

I swear it was much more interesting playing Russian roulette

This is the night phase; no posting!

STORY POST:

The dawn breaks and again you awaken feeling very refreshed. Looking around and stretching you see every one of your comrades has woken up at the exact same moment as you have. Except one. You all arise and watch each other carefully. Someone says they will make breakfast, but he is quickly told by the rest that they wouldn't trust him to make them breakfast, so each man eats a small part of their own rations. Finally you break the meagre camp and someone goes to awaken the last sleeping man. n0t_u approaches the sleeper and prods him with his foot. At the contact the mouth of the sleeper opens and a gasp of fetid air streams from his insides as his body slowly deflates. Leaping back n0t_u gags and vomits as the skin of the recently deceased Fifty deflates until it is an empty bag of skin on the floor. The others look around wildly seeking sign of where his insides may be, but there is none. Another sacrifice to the dark woods has been made.

RustyKnight grabs Fifty's bag and looks inside and throws up also, dropping the bag which now contains the flesh and guts of the recently deceased man. Fifty was a soldier, and his passing has made the forces of darkness stronger.

The air around the corpse grows worse with each second, as if the corpse breath is drawing evil towards it. Grabbing your things you move quickly away, and the frightened paranoia grows. The arguing begins shortly after...

ACTIONS

Day 2 has begun. You have two weeks to converse and vote on who to lynch.

Day ends on Tuesday 5th April @ 0900 GMT.

the_ferrett wrote: Seeing as this hasn't closed and I'm now spontaniously up for elimination.

Not really spontaneous; I'd been pushing for your lynch for quite a while. You acted scummier than BrotherStynier.

the_ferrett wrote:(Guess I can't solely blame Thor anymore.) I'm going to say this plainly and simply.

Blame Thor for what? He's defended you.

the_ferrett wrote:Better an innocent dies than effort being wated on proving him guilty.

That doesn't make any sense. Are you saying that you had evidence proving your innocence?

RiTides wrote: So, as I join this game, it seems we've lynched our own detective on day 1?

I'm guessing doctor, with a Witch Hunter investigator.

RiTides wrote: I have not done this before via text, but I would assume this is not normal.

No, we usually don't lynch people for no reason, but this was just terrible luck.

RiTides wrote: However, hopefully this experience will lead to the_ferret revealing his suspicions. quote] , excuse me...

RiTides wrote: I would also like an explanation of why WarOrk did not react to having a fair few votes on him- and then, instead of allowing no one to be lynched on Day 1, attempted to get the_ferret lynched at the last moment.

I think ties result in lynching whoever had more votes first. Regardless, I'd have preferred lynching ferret yesterday to no lynch.

RiTides wrote: Also, when I ask about WarOrk voting to break the tie instead of "allowing no one to be lynched" I mean this: at the moment of his post (at what he thought was the last moment), there was a 4-way tie (2 votes apiece) between himself, BroStyr, Rusty, and the_ferret. Why not let more people make it to Day 2?

Well, we can never be sure who's a scum and who's not. I'm still of the opinion that the_ferret acted scummy enough for a lynching.

RiTides wrote: A killer could be eager to have someone die, just to make more progress. He also was rather quiet allowing suspicions to be placed elsewhere after he received a few random votes at the beginning. It could be that he didn't want to draw attention to himself, but couldn't stand having no one be lynched on Day 1.

But why go after the_ferret? the_ferret, if not scum, is drawing a lot of attention (at least from me), making him a great asset to have lying around as a scum player. WARORK is inexperienced, but I'd expect that to cause him to follow his partner's lead.

WARORK93 wrote:That being said it find it.............frustrating that the first person who ends up dead is the guy who's supposed to be helping us.

Luck of the draw.

If no one has any opinions we could just lynch Drk_O, that would be sweet.

Someone needs to poke Mordoskull.

Day 2 has only been running for 2 days, so he isn't due a poke yet

Thor665 wrote:If no one has any opinions we could just lynch Drk_O, that would be sweet.

I have an opinion. So no one should lynch Drk_O ever, reguardless of how supercool and awesomely awesome that guy is.

Sorry Bishop ><

((ooc Bah. Earliest I've ever died.))

2 votes to go and we're silent?
8 days to go and we sit on our laurels?
Feth that.
Vote: Rusty
Discuss that.

Vote: Rusty

Since apparently I can't get anyone to bandwagon Drk_O for some reason.

I'd at least like Rusty to come back and justify all the 'lying' accusations he's throwing around.

This has to be the quietest Day 2 I've ever seen...

Will be poking Mordoskul shortly.

Current Voting Situation
0 - n0t_u
0 - Drk_Oblitr8r
2 - RustyKnight (the_ferrett, Thor665)
0 - the_ferrett
0 - WARORK93
0 - Mordoskul
0 - RiTides
2 - Thor665 (RustyKnight, RiTides)

0 - No lynch

Not voting (n0t_u, Drk_Oblitr8r, WARORK93, Mordoskul)
Not posted during Day 2 (Mordoskul)

If the day ended now, nobody would be lynched

Day 2 ends at 0900 GMT 5th April 2011 [8 Days 10 Hours 15 Minutes]

RustyKnight votes Thor665
Thor665 votes Drk_Oblitr8r
RiTides votes Thor665
the_ferrett votes RustyKnight
Thor665 unvotes Drk_Oblitr8r
Thor665 votes RustyKnight

Sorry about the massive delay.

Thor665 wrote: First off, did he make any accusations that were also false?
Second off, did he apologize about the incorrect observation and move on?

You can check this just as easily as I.

Thor665 wrote: There's a BIG difference between interpreting/recalling something wrong and outright lying about it for strategic gain in the game. Even if he was lying I don't see any real advantage to it.

The advantage was in deflecting me. Who decides what is lying and what is a mistake? Why were you so set on Stynier having an ulterior motive but not the_ferrett?

Thor665 wrote: Seriously? That's just silly, and doesn't rebut the point ferret was even making, and looks more like just deflecting his comment and turning it around as another "lie" in order to continue to downplay his suspicion of you. I don't like it, and I don't find what ferret did suspect.

Ferrett claimed that I argued that suspicion of me was false. I never argued anything of the sort. Like his earlier claim about nothing being serious, this was a false statement easily proven by going over the thread.

Thor665 wrote:Um, actually I did (Stynier even agreed with it). Remember when I was pointing out how strange it was that you leapt to his defense so aggressively and fully? Yeah, that's the strange energy and I did explain it.

I thought there was some sort of reciprocity between an energy between us. My apologies for not associating my defense of Stynier with a "strange energy" between us.

Thor665 wrote:Stynier's reason was bad while attempting to look serious - and that's why the logic was bad. I'm pretty sure you went into the 'vote for name' vote with the intention of it looking silly. STynier actually presented logic, which means that logic needed to be looked at, and I found it lacking as already explained.

How was Stynier's logic bad; he said you and someone else had voted for the same person. Is it rock solid? No, but it wasn't like there was anything else to bse votes on at that point in time. You yourself have said that someone has to eventually take something seriously in order for the RVS to end (I still don't read Stynier's vote as being much more than an RVS vote, I think he agreed with you in an attempt to save himself).
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the_ferrett wrote:Mr Rusty, with your bone of obsidian (because we all know that's the hardest material to break) what must I do to have you burry your bone? Be eliminated? Is that the only way?

Not doing absurdly scummy things would be a good start. Having someone else do een scummier things would also draw my attention, but I think I have enough to spread around.

Thor665 wrote:

RiTides wrote:Also, note that I have replaced Lord-loss, and he was the first person to vote (and he voted for Fifty). Given the fact that this was quickly followed by Thor's vote for Fifty, I am tempted to conclude that either:

1) Someone wants us to think Thor is bad
2) Thor is bad

Also, note that RiTides replaced Lord-loss, and he was the first person to vote (and he voted for Fifty). I followed quickly with a vote on Fifty, I am tempted to conclude that either:

1) Someone wants us to think RiTides is bad
2) RiTides is bad

I don't find you logic very bankable. Why is my second vote more suspicious than your first vote? Also, considering I stopped voting Fifty very early on and didn't press on him for more then about a page or so - why is it suspicious at all?

I agree with Thor. How does Thor voting second lead to you to think someone is trying to set him up? Thor voting second isn't all that suspect. He does have a habit of piling onto people.

With that said, Thor's reply is dumb. RiTides voted first; neither of your two conclusions (RiTides is being setup/is bad) make sense.

the_ferrett wrote:2 votes to go and we're silent?
8 days to go and we sit on our laurels?
Feth that.
Vote: Rusty
Discuss that.

This group has been crazy quiet since the beginning. Why are you voting for me?

Thor665 wrote:I'd at least like Rusty to come back and justify all the 'lying' accusations he's throwing around.

I mean to.

......

Honestly I'm at a loss, I can't really follow this "he said, she said" whatever it is, and I haven't seens any REAL evidence against anyone besides paranoia.

For now, I'm just not going to vote, sure I could hop on someone's bandwagon but what the kinda good would that do?

RustyKnight wrote:Sorry about the massive delay.

Thor665 wrote: First off, did he make any accusations that were also false?
Second off, did he apologize about the incorrect observation and move on?

You can check this just as easily as I.

I have checked it and I have my own opinion (that what he did isn't scummy) I was rather hoping you would be willing to support your thesis that it is.

RustyKnight wrote:Why were you so set on Stynier having an ulterior motive but not the_ferrett?

Why were you so set the other way? I honestly am not sure I have a good way to read ferret's scum game - but I do know that thus far he is playing identical to his town game and yet you're calling him on it which leaves me wondering about you far more than him.

RustyKnight wrote:Ferrett claimed that I argued that suspicion of me was false. I never argued anything of the sort. Like his earlier claim about nothing being serious, this was a false statement easily proven by going over the thread.

I think you and I disagree on what 'false' means.

RustyKnight wrote:Thor voting second isn't all that suspect. He does have a habit of piling onto people.

With that said, Thor's reply is dumb. RiTides voted first; neither of your two conclusions (RiTides is being setup/is bad) make sense.

It makes exactly as much sense as me voting second serves his case - I was ointing out how the case itself was flawed, not that I actually believed what I was saying when i quoted his case exactly and just replaced his name in where he had mine. Do you see what I did there?

Rusty, apart from my earlier vote on you, I was voting to start up the motor of this put-put boat. As I said, 2 days of silence makes me edgy that we'll end up in a no-vote situation.

WARORK93 wrote:......

Honestly I'm at a loss, I can't really follow this "he said, she said" whatever it is, and I haven't seens any REAL evidence against anyone besides paranoia.

For now, I'm just not going to vote, sure I could hop on someone's bandwagon but what the kinda good would that do?

I agree with all of this, except for the "not going to vote" part. I am torn between voting on Rusty or on Thor...

Of course, the killers could just be watching us have a field day tearing each other apart, as BishopGore so aptly described the murder scene.

For now I am satisfied with my vote as honestly the more offended/indignant the response, the more likely I think a person is guilty. Not that BrotherStynier did not respond this way at all, and was innocent (and even was apparently playing one of the roles). Some of this can be put down to style, but when I've played this game in-person, the most indignant ones were sometimes the killers- and that's all I've got to go on for now, really.

Both Thor and Rusty are rocking a 9 or 10 on the "offended/indignant" meter... but then again, it is 1 a.m. right now while I am reading this thread.

In my larger paragraph above, second sentence, the first word should be "Note". Makes it a lot clearer

Also WarOrk, I would like to make the case that you should vote for one or the other. Some progress needs to happen, as it has been said it has been surprisingly quiet. Unless we can get some momentum going we may end up going into the second night almost as blind as the first.

Personally, Rusty and Thor are 1-2 on my priority list right now. Heck, it'd be genius to argue incessantly and give the rest of us "wall o' text" syndrome, so much so that we write them both off as "they can't be guilty, they're the only ones putting effort into finding the killers".

I am reasonably sure that you are not guilty, given your response to my earlier accusation. I'm also going to rule out myself for now (although that's up to the rest of you to decide, really). Finally, I will rule out Mordoskul, on the basis of simple human nature- if he was a killer, he'd be more interested in the thread. Leaving:

Rusty
Thor
the_ferret
Dr_O
not_u

If my reasoning is correct, there are TWO killers out of these 5. not_u has posted little enough to make me a bit uneasy (as keeping quiet is one of the best ways to avoid suspicion in some ways). Dr_O has acted odd but seemingly innocently (could be an act). The top 3 are to me suspicious, and even if that's their "game persona" as they are more veterans of these, I do not see them as being innocent based on what they have posted.

So those are where my current suspicions lie, and I would like us to make some progress in ferreting out the killers from that group, or hear reasoning why I should suspect someone else instead.

That's actually good - I'll be curious to see who votes next to push either wagon, as that should be excellent info to have.

But, seriously, "sometimes" indignant people are scum so you'd vote either of us? Not sure that's a case written in win from the heavens.

What do you think about Rusty beating up on ferret while voting me?

WARORK93 wrote:For now, I'm just not going to vote, sure I could hop on someone's bandwagon but what the kinda good would that do?

Right now? A lot. At the moment we aren't lynching anyone, and I do assure you the scum are not going to kill themselves for us.

I too find n0t_u suspicious, I even tried to get him talking in the last day phase by voting for him. He barely responded when he did.

Vote: n0t_u

Maybe if more of us vote for him, he'd be more chatty...

^^^
Why was no one willing to back my play voting for Drk_O? Seriously?

I don't like voting for myself, and not many seem to actually read what you say? "You're saying heaps, I find that suspicious -votes-"

I'm less talkative because my main play for today was based on a trap from yesterday. Which kind of failed leaving me with nothing and a little rusty to this game. I'm trying to get back into the swing of things.

Being quiet is mostly my main play style. I observe and chime in if I have something to add but most of the time my suspicions and points I'd raise are covered so would add on little to the actual discussion (well generally when Thor is in the game as well, seems to miss very little unless it suits him to remain unknown). Though there was that time I was given the investigative role.

After this I may just retire to hosting these games instead.

@Drl_O - ...? Yeah, I want you dead. If one person votes for you I will come help that wagon like nobody's business.

@n0t_u - what was the trap that failed? Who are your current suspects, if any? What is your Read on the Rusty/Thor competition? What is your read on ferret and/or Drk_O?

I didn't set it out right, and I should have said what I meant by my "quote"

It seems to me most people just skim through this game, see how much they have to read and just give up and post every three days.

Also, I personally think that no one else is voting for me with you is because, unlike everything else you say in this game, you're not providing any reasons why. You're just saying "Vote for Drk_O, it's a good idea... really!"

Honestly Thor, I didn't know you cared <3

Thor665 wrote:@Drl_O - ...? Yeah, I want you dead. If one person votes for you I will come help that wagon like nobody's business.

That so? then why don't you go ahead and vote for him instead of Rusty? Could it be that you don't really care who goes as long as someone does? Could it be that you feel that these two pose a threat to your scumminess?

Of course it could, but the flip side to that is that nobody so far has given a real outright reason to be voted out, only to be suspicious about.

So far I'm leaning toward Thor and Ferret

Thor because, well, for the same reason Dark said, I'm not really seeing any real reason other than "he hasn't really posted so he must be a lurking scum" that doesn't sit well with me and that in itself seems like a lame attempt at diverting attention.

Ferret because his posts seem defensive, overly accusative, and really random, and even though I don't know his playing style, this being my first time and all, he seems suspicious to me....

I'm still thinking so I'll be back later for my vote.

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:Also, I personally think that no one else is voting for me with you is because, unlike everything else you say in this game, you're not providing any reasons why. You're just saying "Vote for Drk_O, it's a good idea... really!

Um...sorta did;

Thor665 wrote:Obvious lurking scum is obvious - he's usually waaaay more bombastic.

WARORK93 wrote:That so? then why don't you go ahead and vote for him instead of Rusty? Could it be that you don't really care who goes as long as someone does? Could it be that you feel that these two pose a threat to your scumminess?

1. I did vote Drk_O, but nobody would give me the time of day, so I went to my second option - Rusty. Why are you acting like that didn't happen and that I didn't clearly say why I was doing it when I changed my vote?
2. I think Drk_O is a threat to me? Are you totally mental - please quote *1 comment* he made that even remotely looks like an attack on me prior to when I voted him. Otherwise, why would you sling that sort of mud?

Thor because, well, for the same reason Dark said, I'm not really seeing any real reason other than "he hasn't really posted so he must be a lurking scum" that doesn't sit well with me and that in itself seems like a lame attempt at diverting attention.

1. Drk didn't say that, but thanks for at least noticing I did make a case.
2. Go read ANY other game of Mafia here on site with Drk_O in it. Compare how he played there to how he's playing now. Ask yourself why you think he changed his methods, then come back and tell me why you think my case is lame. Playstyle changes mean something.

WARORK93 wrote:That so? then why don't you go ahead and vote for him instead of Rusty? Could it be that you don't really care who goes as long as someone does? Could it be that you feel that these two pose a threat to your scumminess?
1. I did vote Drk_O, but nobody would give me the time of day, so I went to my second option - Rusty. Why are you acting like that didn't happen and that I didn't clearly say why I was doing it when I changed my vote?
2. I think Drk_O is a threat to me? Are you totally mental - please quote *1 comment* he made that even remotely looks like an attack on me prior to when I voted him. Otherwise, why would you sling that sort of mud?

That last comment was actually more to elicit a response than anything else, see if you'd think about it or not, no ham no foul, and again I'm new at this, I dun even think I belong here honestly

Secondly, i figured if you wanted someone out, you'd vote for them, I saw you say you wanted Drk out but voted for Rusty ,so I wondered why, apparently I'm more naive than I thought.

Thor because, well, for the same reason Dark said, I'm not really seeing any real reason other than "he hasn't really posted so he must be a lurking scum" that doesn't sit well with me and that in itself seems like a lame attempt at diverting attention.
1. Drk didn't say that, but thanks for at least noticing I did make a case.
2. Go read ANY other game of Mafia here on site with Drk_O in it. Compare how he played there to how he's playing now. Ask yourself why you think he changed his methods, then come back and tell me why you think my case is lame. Playstyle changes mean something.

I'm not about to go spend three or more hours looking through back logs just to figure a GAME out. If that makes me a sore sport then whatever, call me what you wish.

Okay so it turns out this ain't my schtick, go figure

Thor665 wrote:@n0t_u - what was the trap that failed? Who are your current suspects, if any? What is your Read on the Rusty/Thor competition? What is your read on ferret and/or Drk_O?

The voting after the deadline, before the lock out post. It didn't really go anywhere. As usual you seem to be leading the investigation and clashing with Rusty who is likely to take that position if you die. Ferret I'm not sure, I kind of got the slight impression he may be an innocent from what he said when he thought he died, but I'm not sure. Drk_O is just being Drk_O again, he's obviously the same regardless of whatever role he gets so it's like a roulette when going against him.

The only one that was made slightly suspicious from the trap was Ork. But he had good reasons to follow the vote so easily and quickly, most obviously to save himself. Thus I consider the attempted trap a failure as it has really revealed nothing.

Current suspects are, as usual, everyone until such a time I believe their innocence may be more likely than the others.

Here's how I see it; Ferret and Rusty are the most aggressive, for reasons yet unknown. Rusty is quick to point the finger at Ferret, and vice versa. Whose to say one of them is not guilty? Due to my silence, Rusty was quick to accuse, with no evidence to back him up. Therefore, I suspect him of being the killer.
I Vote: Rusty_Knight!

Ohhh sorry ^_^" I forgot about your one sentance where you did.

I haven't noticed my playstyle change, but it might be more because I haven't played for a very long time rather than I want to spend more time eating people. And don't I normally get voted off for that playstyle? By you? <3

I don't think Thor is suspicious because he wants me dead, he always does. I do think he's going about it differently, but I feel he only has a 5% chance of being scum.

Unlike the_ferrett, who I feel has a 0% chance of being scum, that guys cool and all.

The people I find most suspicious are n0t_u, RiTides and Mordoskul. With a possible n0t_u-Mordo partnership. I feel they've both been able to lurk pretty easily through the game, and Ri because I don't really know what to expect from him.

Sir, I do not lurk, I observe. I am innocent. If I were guilty, I would push for more deaths.

That's exactly why you jump out of nowhere and vote.

If you were really guilty, you'd say you would do something if you were guilty, and not do it.

If I were guilty I'd use my psychic powers to turn your brain in jelly. *stares and squints at you with strained look* Is your brain jelly? No? Then clearly I'm innocent, really

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:If I were guilty I'd use my psychic powers to turn your brain in jelly. *stares and squints at you with strained look* Is your brain jelly? No? Then clearly I'm innocent, really

I agree though those last two posts by Mordo seem a little contradictory, but either innocent or guilty we all want the same basic thing just with different ways to achieve it. If anything DrK_O's most recent posts make him look more suspicious.

Care to explain why n0t_u?

Insisting you could only be innocent.

Thor because, well, for the same reason Dark said, I'm not really seeing any real reason other than "he hasn't really posted so he must be a lurking scum" that doesn't sit well with me and that in itself seems like a lame attempt at diverting attention.
1. Drk didn't say that, but thanks for at least noticing I did make a case.

Uhm, yah he did

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:You're just saying "Vote for Drk_O, it's a good idea... really!"

and you said here that:

Thor wrote:Obvious lurking scum is obvious - he's usually waaaay more bombastic.

Whatever the case I fell compelled to bring this game to a tie again

Vote: Thor

If only for the reason that I don't think that Rusty deserves to go more than i think Thor's a scum

Thor665 wrote: I have checked it and I have my own opinion (that what he did isn't scummy) I was rather hoping you would be willing to support your thesis that it is.

Other than two falsehoods already mentioned, I can't think of any others. How many false statements are necessary to make someone guilty in your eyes? I don't remember an apology and didn't find one after a cursory search of ferret's posts following my accusations.

Why ask about the apology thing if you knew he didn't? Looks to me like you're just flinging mud and hoping some sticks.

Thor665 wrote: Why were you so set the other way? I honestly am not sure I have a good way to read ferret's scum game - but I do know that thus far he is playing identical to his town game and yet you're calling him on it which leaves me wondering about you far more than him.

Past action isn't a good indicator of scumminess. Why are you so set on defending him?

Thor665 wrote: I think you and I disagree on what 'false' means.

How so? I've accused things of being false when they were contradicted by the rest of the thread. The claim that I only voted for ferrett was because he doubted me was false. I've provided evidence for voting for ferrett. The claim that the thread had been all joky was also false. I wrote a whole paragraph explaining why. Please, explain how ferrett's claim ("Until recently, no you haven't. Until..... oh 1/2 a page ago we were still all 'RVS'ing and cracking jokes. That's not serious in demeanor. And please try not to lie but saying otherwise. ") wasn't false.

Thor665 wrote: It makes exactly as much sense as me voting second serves his case - I was ointing out how the case itself was flawed, not that I actually believed what I was saying when i quoted his case exactly and just replaced his name in where he had mine. Do you see what I did there?

I see what you did, I just don;t think it worked well. Your amended accusation was unsupported by the evidence provided, or at least worse supported than the original. If you want to showcase the flaws in an argument, your amended argument has to be just as valid, not a random changing of words.

Mordoskul wrote:Sir, I do not lurk, I observe. I am innocent. If I were guilty, I would push for more deaths.

This is bad reasoning. Bloodthirstiness isn't a definitive trait of scum. Thor and I are rather bloodthirsty, yet we are acting antagonistically towards each other.

Mordoskul wrote: Here's how I see it; Ferret and Rusty are the most aggressive, for reasons yet unknown. Rusty is quick to point the finger at Ferret, and vice versa. Whose to say one of them is not guilty?

How is ferrett as aggressive as me? I'd have said that Thor and I are the two most aggressive.

Mordoskul wrote:Due to my silence, Rusty was quick to accuse, with no evidence to back him up. Therefore, I suspect him of being the killer.

How'd your silence cause me to vote? What do you mean no evidence? Thor and I have been arguing about whether or not the evidence against ferrett is all that scummy for pages now. Or do you mean suspicion of you?

the_ferrett wrote:Rusty, apart from my earlier vote on you, I was voting to start up the motor of this put-put boat. As I said, 2 days of silence makes me edgy that we'll end up in a no-vote situation.

We weren't going to have a no-vote. A majority was already present on Thor665. So, please explain why you want to lynch me.
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On Drk_o: I'm not sure. He has been quieter than usual, but I still don't think shifts in playstyle are that great of an indicator for scumminess. They're too obvious.
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Unvote:Thor665
Vote: Mordoskul

His last two posts have been meaningless drivel. I want him to either start making sense and contributing or die.

WARORK93 wrote:If only for the reason that I don't think that Rusty deserves to go more than i think Thor's a scum

I appreciate the effort, but I'm muckin' it up.

RustyKnight wrote:

Thor665 wrote: I have checked it and I have my own opinion (that what he did isn't scummy) I was rather hoping you would be willing to support your thesis that it is.

Other than two falsehoods already mentioned, I can't think of any others. How many false statements are necessary to make someone guilty in your eyes? I don't remember an apology and didn't find one after a cursory search of ferret's posts following my accusations.

Why ask about the apology thing if you knew he didn't? Looks to me like you're just flinging mud and hoping some sticks.

1. He did apologize.
2. Falsehoods - if they are absolute evidence of scum, means that WARORK is scum because I just showed how he lied. The question is, did he "lie" or did he "make a mistake." You have shown no evidence that what ferrett did was intentional lying for scum gain, and consequently the case is weak.
3. Also, quite frankly, I still think you're saying stuff he said is "false" when in reality it is a simple disagreement of opinions - and opinions cannot be false, only facts can.

Past action isn't a good indicator of scumminess. Why are you so set on defending him?

Past action is a good indicator of scumminess. Remember how I caught Manchu scum via his change in playstyle? Yeah.

Please, explain how ferrett's claim ("Until recently, no you haven't. Until..... oh 1/2 a page ago we were still all 'RVS'ing and cracking jokes. That's not serious in demeanor. And please try not to lie but saying otherwise. ") wasn't false.

Because humor and personal reads of attitude are subjective and not factual.

Your amended accusation was unsupported by the evidence provided, or at least worse supported than the original. If you want to showcase the flaws in an argument, your amended argument has to be just as valid, not a random changing of words.

So you honestly believe his case is functional?
I now am much happier voting you.

Vote: Mordoskul

His last two posts have been meaningless drivel. I want him to either start making sense and contributing or die.

You don't support a Drk_O lynch though?
Also, why is 'meaningless drivel' more scummy than two lies from ferrett or...whatever it is you were voting me over?

I do have to begrudgingly admit Rusty's move here does surprise me if he's town. I'll be back with more thoughts about it when my head isn't so boggled.

EBWOP - does surprise me if he's *scum* derpy, derp, derp.

WARORK93 wrote:Uhm, yah he did

No he didn't.
*you* said all my case was is "he's lurking" which is functionally true.
*he* said all my case was is "vote Drk_O -it's a good idea" which is not what I said.

Whatever the case I fell compelled to bring this game to a tie again

For the record, if Rusty flips scum at any point in the game - lynch WARORK next. Don't forget this.


*sigh* and this should have gone at the front of my 1st post to show how WARORK lied so ...whatevs, like I said, I'll be back later when the mind isn't boggled.
Apologies for quad-post.

RustyKnight wrote:
Vote: Mordoskul

His last two posts have been meaningless drivel. I want him to either start making sense and contributing or die.

You wish me dead for not making sense? Not because I might be scum? Seems a tad wasteful.

Current Voting Situation
1 - n0t_u (Drk_Oblitr8r)
0 - Drk_Oblitr8r
3 - RustyKnight (the_ferrett, Thor665, Mordoskul)
0 - the_ferrett
0 - WARORK93
1 - Mordoskul (RustyKnight)
0 - RiTides
2 - Thor665 (RiTides, WARORK93)

0 - No lynch

Not voting (n0t_u)
Not posted during Day 2 (-)

If the day ended now, RustyKnight would be lynched

Day 2 ends at 0900 GMT 5th April 2011 [5 Days 10 Hours 25 Minutes]

RustyKnight votes Thor665
Thor665 votes Drk_Oblitr8r
RiTides votes Thor665
the_ferrett votes RustyKnight
Thor665 unvotes Drk_Oblitr8r
Thor665 votes RustyKnight
Drk_Oblitr8r votes n0t_u
Mordoskul votes RustyKnight
WARORK93 votes Thor665
RustyKnight unvotes Thor665
RustyKnight votes Mordoskul

Thor665 wrote:

WARORK93 wrote:Uhm, yah he did

Thor665 wrote: No he didn't.
*you* said all my case was is "he's lurking" which is functionally true.
*he* said all my case was is "vote Drk_O -it's a good idea" which is not what I said.

WARORK93 wrote:Whatever the case I fell compelled to bring this game to a tie again

For the record, if Rusty flips scum at any point in the game - lynch WARORK next. Don't forget this.

Okay, besides the fact that you think I'm lying and besides the fact that I voted for you, what does me wanting to make a tie have to do with me being scum? Or do you just not like me?

Surely a non scum would want a no lynch instead of a bad lynch? Or is that just me?

Thor665 wrote:*sigh* and this should have gone at the front of my 1st post to show how WARORK lied so ...whatevs, like I said, I'll be back later when the mind isn't boggled.
Apologies for quad-post.

Oh, now you're going to argue technicalities with me? You all know what I meant and from what I saw Drk was saying basically the same thing, please don't muck up all our confusion more by calling people liars when they may mean something different from what you think and they're making such a very small point anyway.

WARORK93 wrote:Okay, besides the fact that you think I'm lying and besides the fact that I voted for you, what does me wanting to make a tie have to do with me being scum? Or do you just not like me?

Surely a non scum would want a no lynch instead of a bad lynch? Or is that just me?

1. Rusty is going to be lynched. WARORK leaps in and votes Thor, making it a tie and preventing Rusty lynch. If Rusty is later shown to be scum who is suddenly looking very much like a partner to scumRusty? WARORK. (that, and I don't like you ) Also, it has absolutely nothing to do with me catching you in a "lie" and the only reason I even brought up the "lie" was to make a point to Rusty about lies as scumtells.

2. non scum should want a lynch because of this simple math example;

If town lynches someone today we have a 2/8 chance to lynch one of the scum (and a 6/8 chance to lynch town)
If we no lynch than we have a 0/8 chance to lynch scum.
My role PM suggests I win by lynching scum, so the most likely strategy to win is to perform the action with the best chance to lynch scum - which is lynching someone.

Oh, now you're going to argue technicalities with me? You all know what I meant and from what I saw Drk was saying basically the same thing, please don't muck up all our confusion more by calling people liars when they may mean something different from what you think and they're making such a very small point anyway.

??? What are your thoughts about Rusty's case on ferrett then? Also, that is a pretty negative reaction to me basically pointing out you were wrong about something but claiming at the same time it's fairly likely all you did was make a mistake - why so defensive?


@Rusty, could you please asap explain why Modoskull is more scummy than me?

Thor665 wrote:

WARORK93 wrote:Okay, besides the fact that you think I'm lying and besides the fact that I voted for you, what does me wanting to make a tie have to do with me being scum? Or do you just not like me?

Surely a non scum would want a no lynch instead of a bad lynch? Or is that just me?

1. Rusty is going to be lynched. WARORK leaps in and votes Thor, making it a tie and preventing Rusty lynch. If Rusty is later shown to be scum who is suddenly looking very much like a partner to scumRusty? WARORK. (that, and I don't like you ) Also, it has absolutely nothing to do with me catching you in a "lie" and the only reason I even brought up the "lie" was to make a point to Rusty about lies as scumtells.

2. non scum should want a lynch because of this simple math example;

If town lynches someone today we have a 2/8 chance to lynch one of the scum (and a 6/8 chance to lynch town)
If we no lynch than we have a 0/8 chance to lynch scum.
My role PM suggests I win by lynching scum, so the most likely strategy to win is to perform the action with the best chance to lynch scum - which is lynching someone.

Oh, now you're going to argue technicalities with me? You all know what I meant and from what I saw Drk was saying basically the same thing, please don't muck up all our confusion more by calling people liars when they may mean something different from what you think and they're making such a very small point anyway.

??? What are your thoughts about Rusty's case on ferrett then? Also, that is a pretty negative reaction to me basically pointing out you were wrong about something but claiming at the same time it's fairly likely all you did was make a mistake - why so defensive?


@Rusty, could you please asap explain why Modoskull is more scummy than me?

Okay well, now that at least you admitted you dont like me, I already told you I brought the vote to a tie because I didn't think rusty was scum, if he turns out to be then oops I'm a nub, go figure, if you all wanna vote for me for that, go ahead, end my misery

That aside, sure my other reaction is negative, or at least defensive, the only thing I've been told by you is that I'm wrong, in fact, I haven't seen you really agree with anyone else either...

But I digress, I maintain that I meant something different from what you're saying and was not lying/ making a mistake.

My thoughts about Ferret is that he's been pretty concise but I guess that little comment makes me look like scum....

This game collects people who blather together.
If I can say something in 5 words, I do.
Usually people misinterpret those 5 words though.
Or think I'm cryptic.

@ferrett - it's a game of deduction through communication.

Succinctness is pro-town, but so is communicating your thoughts clearly.

What's your read on Rusty right now though? Him hopping off of me actually put him back into risk for being lynched. He's lurking out on making a case on Mordoskull which is annoying, but I'm wondering why scumRusty would bother opening himself up to risk like that instead of trying to push my lynch through.

WARORK93 wrote:But I digress, I maintain that I meant something different from what you're saying and was not lying/ making a mistake.

1. You said Drk_O said something that, in fact, you said.
2. I pointed out how Drk_O hadn't said what you said.
3. ?
4. Profit.

It's the whole "he didn't say that" conversation from me and the "yah he did" conversation from you. Drk_O never said my case was nothing but he's lurking, he said my case was nothing but 'Thor says vote for Drk_O' which suggest Drk_O felt the need to either downplay my case by making it look totally random, and/or he felt like I was onto something by calling him on his lurking and/or he was just being silly and forgot I ever presented a reason for the vote.

You shouldn't support him for something like that unless you have your own facts straight.

How am I lurking? It's been a day. I was unable to post anymore yesterday as I was in the hopsital getting a prescription for Shingles.

I'm currently voting for Mordoskul because:
1) His comments from before my vote don't make any sense (at least to me). I want him to explain them.
2) He's been too quiet all game. I'd classify it more as lurking than observing as he's hasn't been all that forthcoming with observations.
3) I don't like some of your arguments Thor, especially not the ones you lynched Stynier with, but you have been vocal. I'm still not sure about your defense of ferrett, but I did defend Stynier.
4) I'm not sure about ferrett. He could just be really bad at the game. Regardless, pressure hasn't seemed to shake anything loose from either Thor or ferrett.
5)Mordoskul didn't even make a meaningful response to my complaints against his case. Making a gibberish post could be a scum trying to appear active when they wish to do nothing but lurk more. Note that Mordoskul didn't really add anything more to the conversation, he just went with one of the two closest to death.

Since I know that WARORK93 isn't my partner in crime, I don't see why he would try to save me unless he is pro-town.

WARORK93 wrote:But I digress, I maintain that I meant something different from what you're saying and was not lying/ making a mistake.
1. You said Drk_O said something that, in fact, you said.
2. I pointed out how Drk_O hadn't said what you said.
3. ?
4. Profit.

It's the whole "he didn't say that" conversation from me and the "yah he did" conversation from you. Drk_O never said my case was nothing but he's lurking, he said my case was nothing but 'Thor says vote for Drk_O' which suggest Drk_O felt the need to either downplay my case by making it look totally random, and/or he felt like I was onto something by calling him on his lurking and/or he was just being silly and forgot I ever presented a reason for the vote.

You shouldn't support him for something like that unless you have your own facts straight.

If you really want an answer to this, why don't you ask Drk what he really meant? I'm still convinced we were saying the same thing.

Whats the point in arguing it? Its not like I won anyone over with that argument anyway....

Since I know that WARORK93 isn't my partner in crime, I don't see why he would try to save me unless he is pro-town.

thanks for that but unless some people change around their votes, its gonna be in vain....

@RustyKnight

Apologies for the gibberish, I'm new at this and just getting into the part. I'll be more articulate next time.

@Rusty - my big issue with it was just that you seemed to come out of nowhere with the Mordoskull case. Literally thus far today it was vote Thor - badmouth ferrett but don't vote him, continue to vote Thor and badmouth ferrett...BAM - Mordoskull! Was there anything prior to Mordoskull's vote of tyou where you outlined suspicion/issue with Mordoskull? Because I can't recall it if it exits. Do you agree or disagree that the shift is sudden?

WARORK93 wrote:I'm still convinced we were saying the same thing.

WARORK93 wrote:Whats the point in arguing it? Its not like I won anyone over with that argument anyway....

WARORK93 wrote:thanks for that but unless some people change around their votes, its gonna be in vain....

Facepalm explanations:
1. No, you weren't. After I pointed out my case on him Drk-O acted surprised and flat out admitted he'd forgotten that part.
2. Because I was making a point to Rusty about lies in scum cases, as I already said. Also, I'm anal retentive about actually making sure the truth is what the conversation is about.
3. So I take it you're now 100% on Rusty being town? Previous to this post you didn't seem to be thinking that way.

Unvote: RustyKnight
I'm starting to become convinced that a Rusty lynch is not a good idea. I'll be back late tonight or tomorrow with either a Drk_O or WARORK vote, I want to read some of their actions again and see if brilliance strikes. I am still against a Thor lynch

Oy! WarOrk! No editing.

You'd do what Rusty's doing from a scum POV if you saw you were dead and wanted to create a large distraction, especially if you made sense.

You'd do what Rusty is doing from an innocent POV if you think you finally have a decent suspicion on someone guilty.

Too close to call but the 'Rusty is innocent' idea is playing my mind.... I shall wait 5 hours and see what my awake brian says.

I haven't voted for Mordoskul, but I have quetioned what he's said before. It seems to me that he only posts filler to avoid getting kicked for non-participation. Note that he still didn't answer my questions about his posts.

I can think of other ways to make bigger distractions. Joining a Drk_O bandwagon earlier in the day phase would've worked. Linking you and Thor as seeming to work together (he defends you, you both jumped onto voting me at about the same time, he unvotes and you then express doubt (note, I don't know why Thor would follow your lead, so I don't actually think you and him are on a team)) could also do the trick. If I wanted to save myself with a distraction, why not go after WARORK? If both Thor and I are questioning him, he'll make more mistakes, making it easier for me to drive the public opinion against me.

@rusty

I will admit my first post was poor reasoning on my part, I'll give you that. Whenever I checked the posts on this thread, it was always you and Ferret tearing into each other. On my third post, where I mention that you suspected me of being scum, I shall again admit an error on my part. You were suspicious, but you did not accuse.

@Rusty - okay, I'm beginning to think you might be town (though, let us be honest - you *have* been beating the Thor/ferrett drum today.) At the very least, you're 'town enough for today.'

I'm not sure I buy Mordoskull though, how would you feel about a WARORK or Drk_O lynch? Do you have a read on either of them?

the_ferrett wrote:Oy! WarOrk! No editing.

totally my bad, force of habit...

Facepalm explanations:
1. No, you weren't. After I pointed out my case on him Drk-O acted surprised and flat out admitted he'd forgotten that part.

Okay...

2. Because I was making a point to Rusty about lies in scum cases, as I already said. Also, I'm anal retentive about actually making sure the truth is what the conversation is about.

You said it not me.....

3. So I take it you're now 100% on Rusty being town? Previous to this post you didn't seem to be thinking that way.

Not necessarily but I'm mostly convinced that he isn't scum...

watch me be wrong and get killed in my sleep

Dammit all, why are my top 3 suspects looking less suspicious all the time...

You really think WarOrk could be acting coy and really be guilty?

I am feeling better about a Mordoskull or Drk_O lynch. Mordoskull because he came in and posted really odd things after being AWOL. Drk_O because his suspicions seemed really random and off-base, and I wonder if he was trying to throw us off.

So for now, because I keep forgetting to check the thread consistently...
Unvote: Thor665
Vote: Mordoskull

Mordoskull, if you are innocent, please try to give a good reasoning why... so far your posts have made you look extremely suspicious to me.

For my part, I feel I'm being a little lynch-happy... and if we kill another townsperson we're going to be in a pretty bad spot with the killers-to-innocents ratio.

But not_u's explanation of his silence convinced me, ferret I'm just putting to the side for now, and Thor/Rusty are being reasonable enough that I do not suspect them as much as before (although they could simply be toning things down slightly to try to stay alive, which makes sense whether they're townspeople or killers).

I am not convinced about WarOrk's killer-potential... Drk_O and Mordoskull I would like to see more explanations of their innocence from at this point, though.

Sorry for the somewhat rambling post again- I tend to remember to check this quite late in the evening

At the risk of being called out again.....

Unvote: Thor
Vote: Mordoskull

I was not going to change my vote, not because I think Thor is scum, its that apparently my positive association with Rusty has been frowned upon and I figured making the same vote as him would implicate me further

But I cannot, with good conscious, vote for someone I don't think is scum just to save my own sorry butt. I vote for Mordo because I agree with both Rusty's and RiTide's theory, Mordo's given the most reason to be implicated in my opinion.

n0t_u wrote:Insisting you could only be innocent.

I only insisted that in an example.

RiTides wrote: Drk_O because his suspicions seemed really random and off-base, and I wonder if he was trying to throw us off.

My suspicions of n0t_u and mordo were for similar reasons, because they spent most of this day phase not commenting at all. My suspicions of you were more because I don't know you in game very well. However, you do seem alittle offended/indignant by my mere mention of suspicion


Also, I'm rather concerned how quickly Mordo's gotten to being lynched. He's a vote away from a majority vote. I don't think he's scum, just new. I know I might have been quick to point fingers at him, but I was trying to get him to post more.

Current Voting Situation
1 - n0t_u (Drk_Oblitr8r)
0 - Drk_Oblitr8r
2 - RustyKnight (the_ferrett, Mordoskul)
0 - the_ferrett
0 - WARORK93
3 - Mordoskul (RustyKnight, RiTides, WARORK93)
0 - RiTides
0 - Thor665

0 - No lynch

Not voting (n0t_u, Thor665)
Not posted during Day 2 (-)

If the day ended now, Mordoskul would be lynched

With EIGHT alive it takes FIVE to lynch before the deadline is reached

Day 2 ends at 0900 GMT 5th April 2011 [3 Days 22 Hours 45 Minutes]

RustyKnight votes Thor665
Thor665 votes Drk_Oblitr8r
RiTides votes Thor665
the_ferrett votes RustyKnight
Thor665 unvotes Drk_Oblitr8r
Thor665 votes RustyKnight
Drk_Oblitr8r votes n0t_u
Mordoskul votes RustyKnight
WARORK93 votes Thor665
RustyKnight unvotes Thor665
RustyKnight votes Mordoskul
Thor665 unvotes RustyKnight
RiTides unvotes Thor665
RiTides votes Mordoskul
WARORK93 unvotes Thor665
WARORK93 votes Mordoskul

Drk_O wrote:My suspicions of n0t_u and mordo were for similar reasons, because they spent most of this day phase not commenting at all. My suspicions of you were more because I don't know you in game very well. However, you do seem alittle offended/indignant by my mere mention of suspicion

Touche! And good point. I guess I was a little offended, as I felt you didn't provide a good reason. And that reaction would make me guilty by my own logic. Oh bugger

I await your impassioned defense of your innocence, Mordoskul...

Also, Drk_O, just to point out that currently I have lessened my suspicions of Rusty and Thor, due to that not really being the most fantastic logic ever. It was something to start with, though... but at the moment I am leaning away from that reasoning and more towards condemning Mordoskul's strange posts.

I do feel it could be a bit premature to lynch him, but I again wonder at your reasoning, as your opinions seem to be in a different vein that everyone else- a sign of an independent thinker trying to avoid mob mentality / excess lynchings... or a killer trying to lead us astray / into picking another target, and not be labelled as bandwagoning on like WarOrk is currently being labelled.

You would currently be my #2 suspicion... again if Mordoskul is going down and you are partners in crime, your trying to gently steer us away from lynching him suddenly makes a lot of sense.

Just a theory, would appreciate people's thoughts on it...

I still think him being new is still a good reason to avoid lynching him atm, if people don't agree with me, then it's that's cool.

That being said, if he's not helpful in finding scum, completely self contradictionary, and missing for most of the dayphase, then I wouldn't mind him being lynched

Also unvote: n0t_u he's become more active, so I feel the pressure vote has taken it's course

I'd probably vote for Mord, but I think we're better off with the extra time to think things through rather than rush into a lynch.

Vote: Drk_O

I don't really feel Mord at all, and at least people are mentioning Drk_O as opposed to WARORK, so let's try to get this one rolling again.

It's almost as if you know something we don't Thor.

I know that I don't trust WARORK or the way he leapt on Mord, I know that I'd rather lynch Drk_O or WARORK today, I know what color underwear I'm wearing (navy blue).

I'm pretty sure that covers all the info you don't have that I do.

Why would you "probably vote for Mord"?

I don't think WARORK is scum for the reason I already listed. It's still possible that he is scum, but I doubt it.

Drk_O is an interesting prospect. He was awfully quiet yesterday and today, especially for himself. He never really explained the definite playstyle shift (he did say he hadn't played for a while). Hints of the old madness still shine through (voting for everyone, the head explosion), but they're few and far between. His vote for n0t_u did provoke a more active n0t_u yesterday (n0t_u discussed some ferrett and had that whole voting after the deadline thing), and it's not like Drk_o gave n0t_u any arguments to refute about voting for him. Drk_O has continued voting for n0t_u for little reason. He's managed to avoid commenting on me or Thor, and has given only the briefest of mention to ferrett, never discussing my attacks or Thor counterpoints. Probably coincidence, but Fifty did mention that he found Drk_O's silence suspicious yesterday. Depending on how Mordo replies, I'd definitely be interested in a Drk_O lynch.

@Thor: You don't get a scummy vibe off of Mordo's posts at all?

On Thor knowing more than he should: If he knew that Drk_o was scum, why would he have spent so much of the dayphase gunning for me and not making a list of other complaints against Drk_O? I don't think Thor's the investigator, at least no more than anyone else. More importantly, why claim he is? If he is, you could have just compromised his safety, especially with us lacking our doctor role (guessing based on names and roles in the WHFB world).

RustyKnight wrote:@Thor: You don't get a scummy vibe off of Mordo's posts at all?

I don't get a good town vibe off his posts - but that's different than getting a scummy vibe.
Also, look at how WARORK got on him - *that* looks scummy to me, and it looks scummy enough that I tend to suspect Mordo less because of it.

As I posted above, Drk_O is my #2 suspicion, and if you guys are more up for voting for him than for Mordoskul, I am game, too. I still want to see a defense of Mordoskul (by himself) because he's right up there for me. I am not convinced about WarOrk...

Unvote: Mordoskul
Vote: Drk_O

Also, I am not sure whether Bro_Styr was the doctor or the (sherriff?) from the description on the first page (and the narrative describing his death). But it certainly seems he must have been one of the two... but I got the impression that he was the sherriff, rather than the doctor... which would mean we are even more on our own in figuring out the identity of the killers.

BrotherStynier was the detective role. Apologies if there was confusion, I forget that others didn't see the role specific emails I sent out, though I thought I'd written it down somewhere in the first post... My apologies if that has confused anyone.

I will post up the role descriptions at the end of the game for all to see.

Thor665 wrote:I know what color underwear I'm wearing (navy blue)

Hey! Me too, thats weird....

RustyKnight wrote:Drk_O is an interesting prospect. He was awfully quiet yesterday and today, especially for himself. He never really explained the definite playstyle shift (he did say he hadn't played for a while). Hints of the old madness still shine through (voting for everyone, the head explosion), but they're few and far between.

I thought I explained, that my previous approch was more self destructive than constructive. I was more of a distraction, and sure, it kept me safe from Nightkills, I always get voted off anyway. I'm trying to be more helpful, I want to at least catch one bad guy as a town role.

His vote for n0t_u did provoke a more active n0t_u yesterday (n0t_u discussed some ferrett and had that whole voting after the deadline thing), and it's not like Drk_o gave n0t_u any arguments to refute about voting for him. Drk_O has continued voting for n0t_u for little reason.

I wasn't voting for him because I thought he was a bad guy, I just noticed that no one else seem to notice he wasn't saying much. So I voted for him to get him talking, and was about to do the same to Mordo until he jumped in out of no where.

I also unvoted n0t_u 4 hours before you posted this. I know I held on a bit too long, but that was because I completely forgot ^_^"

He's managed to avoid commenting on me or Thor, and has given only the briefest of mention to ferrett, never discussing my attacks or Thor counterpoints. Probably coincidence, but Fifty did mention that he found Drk_O's silence suspicious yesterday. Depending on how Mordo replies, I'd definitely be interested in a Drk_O lynch.

I have been avoiding commenting on you, because I don't suspect you at all. And you reassured that I am right in doing so before, when you broke the tied voting between Thor and yourself, so that if the dayphase ended you would have died. I avoid commenting on people who I don't think are bad guys, because it builds connections with them and if they flip anti-town and I'm wrong, then I'm implicated. I also avoid commenting on Thor because it never ends well, for me anyway.

So, the dayphase ends tomorrow and we're currently at a tie.

Currently, only n0t_u and I aren't voting.

While I don't believe he is scum, I know ties are bad, because it's the only time town gets a chance to kill off bad guys. I'm going to have to vote: Mordoskull because I have to work with what I know. I know I'm a townie, and I know we need all the townies we can get to eventually win this game.

If you guys feel you should vote for me because of this, then go ahead.

Edited to fix up the size formatting

Just don't vote for me getting the time wrong ^_^" I completely forgot to work in the other 22 hours

We now have a 3 way tie, from my reckoning.

the_ferrett wrote:We now have a 3 way tie, from my reckoning.

I'll just work this out

Current Voting Situation
0 - n0t_u
2 - Drk_Oblitr8r (Thor665, RiTides)
2 - RustyKnight (the_ferrett, Mordoskul)
0 - the_ferrett
0 - WARORK93
3 - Mordoskul (RustyKnight, WARORK93, Drk_O)
0 - RiTides
0 - Thor665

This seem about right?

not_u, at this point a non-vote is equivalent to a vote for Mordoskul. Do you really think he should die and Drk_O should live, especially with his above post? I find that more suspicious than anything he's done so far...

Ferret, are you just going to leave your vote on Rusty?

I am not totally opposed to voting off Mordoskul, but I would prefer to get rid of Drk_O... Rusty and WarOrk as well, you guys would rather be rid of Mordoskul than Drk_O?

I'm confused, how is the above post by Drk_O suspicious? He was just counting the votes...I was wondering about doing that myself....

I think he's pointing out the self-preservative nature of Drk_O's post above that. That's a risky tell to throw around though, as town generally don't want to die either. I'll admit I like the fact he didn't go after Rusty.

The part that looks bad to me is Drk_O's "if you guys want to vote for me because of this" line - that suggests he feels what he's doing is scummy, which suggests a guilty conscience and yadda, yadda.

I'd really like to see n0t_u get in here and toss down a vote - he has three functional options and I see no benefit to not having a vote from him today.

Request prod: n0t_u

I want to see what he chooses, then we can suss out from there as either he'll give us two contenders or he'll toss Mordo so far into the lead the other two wagons will need to refocus. Either way will be a lot of good info for tomorrow.

Well actually the votes are on the three that I'm most suspicious of at the moment.
It really comes down to which is the most to me.

I was actually going to vote for Mord, but it was one vote off lynch and that would have just thrown away the remaining days we had left.



So here's my vote.

Though I'll probably regret it, I'm going to go with VOTE: DRK_O. He's acting crazy as normal, but it just doesn't seem the same way of crazy he usually does. I don't know he just has that way with this game where he puts a big neon target above his head going "I'm a definitely a good guy so don't kill me, K? ".

ferrett
Mordoskull

The ball is back in your guys court - Rusty isn't likely to be the lynch today, so you need to either attack the other two wagons and show why they suxx0rs, and/or parade around how awesome your wagon is.

or

You need to consider flipping onto one of these wagons. They are both at L-2 (two votes from lynch).

Voting without a reason is suspicious. Even if that reason is his socks are purple, that's still a reason.
I cannot for the life of me think of a reason to vote either of the other two.

Well, there are LOTS of reasons listed- I'm guessing you're just saying you don't agree with the ones posted so far.

Which is fine... it would just be nice to get more than 1-3 sentences out of you every once in a while, though

Up...

We are in a 2 way tie and deadline is tomorrow. If there is no motion from any of the rest of you I will unvote Drk_O and vote Mordo to ensure a lynch.

If you want a no lynch and are trying to make it happen, at least have the grapefruits to claim as such.

Hell, I'd be happy with a no lynch.

Unvote:RustyKnight
Vote: No Lynch

(Dang it Mordo, posting while I'm writing this! )

Current Voting Situation
0 - n0t_u
3 - Drk_Oblitr8r (Thor665, RiTides, n0t_u)
1 - RustyKnight (the_ferrett)
0 - the_ferrett
0 - WARORK93
3 - Mordoskul (RustyKnight, WARORK93, Drk_Oblitr8r)
0 - RiTides
0 - Thor665

1 - No lynch (Mordoskul)

Not voting (-)
Not posted during Day 2 (-)

If the day ended now, nobody would be lynched

With EIGHT alive it takes FIVE to lynch before the deadline is reached

Day 2 ends at 0900 GMT 5th April 2011 [0 Days 10 Hours 45 Minutes]

RustyKnight votes Thor665
Thor665 votes Drk_Oblitr8r
RiTides votes Thor665
the_ferrett votes RustyKnight
Thor665 unvotes Drk_Oblitr8r
Thor665 votes RustyKnight
Drk_Oblitr8r votes n0t_u
Mordoskul votes RustyKnight
WARORK93 votes Thor665
RustyKnight unvotes Thor665
RustyKnight votes Mordoskul
Thor665 unvotes RustyKnight
RiTides unvotes Thor665
RiTides votes Mordoskul
WARORK93 unvotes Thor665
WARORK93 votes Mordoskul
Drk_Oblitr8r unvotes n0t_u
Thor665 votes Drk_Oblitr8r
RiTides unvotes Mordoskul
RiTides votes Drk_Oblitr8r
Drk_Oblitr8r votes Mordoskul
n0t_u votes Drk_Oblitr8r
Mordoskul unvotes RustyKnight
Mordoskul votes NO LYNCH

Hrm... I wanted Drk_O gone, but I agree- Rusty is the only one who I think could be convinced, and nobody seems to be checking this frequently enough. If we do this now, we'll get 5 votes and ensure a lynch.

Unvote: Drk_O
Vote: Mordoskul

You..... male chickens.
Making me chose someone.
I don't like this.
At all.
If someone nullifies this I am very much kicking ass.
so NOONE CHANGE SIDES.

So we have playstyle shift, and silence versus inane comments and silence from an unknown player.

This vote comes down to which silence indicates more of a guilty party.
And I have to say Mordoskull is just tipping the scales, mainly because he's saying just enough to hint that he's not disinterested.

Vote:Mordoskul

I am not super-happy about this, but Mordoskul has given no good defense of himself and as my #2 suspicion, I'm ready to see him gone before the night phase (does that also mean we'll get to find out what his role was, if the lynch happens with 5- before the night phase hits?).

So that's it then! We probably simul-posted but that's 5... = lynch.

Story Post

The arguing continued until the very end of the day with opinion flowing and changing with each passing minute. Long periods of sullen silence, short bursts of angry shouting, and constantly the growing threat.

Mordoskul stood apart more and more, and the groups gathered, more voices raised in suspicion and anger against his attitude.

FInally the seven men surrounded Mordoskul. Thor and n0t_u stood back a little, suspicious, but not certain, whilst three stood forward, Rusty, Warork and Drk_O holding him down, watching the rest. Finally, almost simultaneously, Ferrett and RiTides, stepped forward and thrust their swords through him. As darkness fell the blood flowed, and as the frenzied men tore Mordoskul apart they were again greeted by the sight of flesh and blood and watched another soul be sucked into the woods, feeling the gloating and laughter of the spirits around them.

Mordoskul was a human soldier.

Crying with frustration and fear growing ever more potent with each moment that you had not found the killers, each of you again finds solace in your own lone sleeping positions. A few try to stay awake this night, but that same languor steals over your limbs and fall into that deep, dreamless restful sleep that punctuates each night in this place.

Actions

Those of you with night actions, please send them to me by the deadline of MIDNIGHT GMT THURSDAY 07 April 2011 [3days]

Everyone else, enjoy some quiet time away from the game, we will see you again in a few days, ready to begin Day 3.

I have received all Night Actions and decided to open Day 3 early. Just to mess with all of you.

Story Post

You awaken again feeling refreshed. After the events of yesterday morning you watch each other as you awaken, wondering who else may have died during the night, victim of evil sorceries.

You look around and count the people around you. Six. Six other people. Hang on, that's how many people there were besides you last night. It takes a moment for this to sink in. No further deaths. You're all still here. You all glance around, suddenly uneasy. Was this planned. Are they playing with you, or have they found better sport elsewhere? Has some guardian spirit saved you, or is this another one of their games?

Relief turns to paranoia and the fighting breaks out immediately, people taking sides and knives drawn before anyone has a chance to stab them first. Threats and snarls, shouting and the threat of imminent violence tinges the air.

With nothing forcing you to break camp, you don't even bother. You're trapped here and if you don't find the killers then you're never getting out.

Never. Getting. Out.

Actions

Day 3 has begun. The two week deadline has begun.

Day 3 ends at 1800 BST (British Summer Time)/1700 GMT Wednesday 20th April

Well, I'll be the first to say that that little plan didn't work out too well did it?

I must wonder the reason why nobody was killed last night though, its beyond me really...anyone got theories? I'm dyin to hear em.....

...........no pun intended

@Warork - allow me to venture out the theory that our protective role (the mage) did good last night.

We currently have seven alive by my count.

The mage knows for a fact about two town (himself and whoever he protected) That means we have five options to hit two scum within. Our optimal goal is to lynch from within those five.

I'm going to have to go crunch some numbers to puzzle out whether it's best to have the doc claim now or not till tomorrow. I'm pretty sure it's best to claim now but I want to run the figures and make sure. I'll be back later with that.

Where'd you hear that our doc was the mage?

@Rusty - It was either in the pre-game thread or in one of the PMs we exchanged while discussing game balance. Probably both.

So the breakdown is this going with worst case scenarios;

7 alive with 2 scum and 2 confirmed town whose names we don't yet know.

If doc claims that gives us 5 potential scum.
We lynch one (worst case - town), scum kill doc.
Tomorrow is 5 alive - 1 confirmed town 4 possible scum.
40% chance to lynch scum and than a 50% chance to lynch scum - we lose if we get both wrong.

If we do not have the doc claim unless we're about to lynch him or the confirmed town we lynch from the pool of five.
Scum kill either the doc or the confirmed town.
Doc can claim if he's alive - confirmed town can't claim if Doc is dead.

Best case scenario is Doc doesn't claim, we lynch from the pool of five by dumb luck, and the scum kill someone else from the pool of 5 and then Doc claims tomorrow.
So pool of 5 = 40% chance to lynch scum
Scum kill from pool of 5.
Doc clears two players, so we have a pool of three (66% to lynch scum and we have to get this one or the 40% one right or we lose)
Scum kill Doc.
3 player lylo - 50% chance to win.

I see a full claim by the Doc now as being the "safer" of the bets. Even the optimal with Doc not claiming isn't much better than what we get with him claiming, and the worst case is...well, worse.

Anyone see any holes I'm missing?

The fact that the claimed Doc might actually be a scum?

We 100% have a doc though - so if Doc claims and then a second Doc claims we lynch from amongst the them and have a 100% chance of lynching scum within our two lynches, which is good for us. I'd actually prefer it if scum fakeclaimed Doc.

I think it's a trick

I think maybe the scum decided to not lynch anybody, to try and convince doc to come out of hiding.

You see, all that we're told is that nobody died. This suddenly makes everyone think that there's a Doc in play. Now, you watch. The one who it seems we're about to lynch will claim to be Doc, in the hopes of convincing everyone to not lynch them.

I'll take this time to say kudos to the Doc, whoever they are. You'd have to be superspecialawesome and incredibly smart to make it this far, most don't make it to Day 2.

It's not a trick unless scum are stupid. If they had killed last night they would have been in position to win the game with a single mislynch today - instead now they're at needing two mislynches to win, best case.

In exchange they out the doc and...what, *maybe* end up as confirmed town? Or end up with a town being confirmed, which is more likely. It would be an exceedingly convoluted and risky plan if they no killed.

Thor is on the money: I vote for a doc reveal.

I do enjoy the way that this morning has started, with massive hints that neither of us three is the doc. We wouldn't be so hyperthetical if we were.

(Hint: I'm not said doc)

RustyKnight wrote:Thor is on the money: I vote for a doc reveal.

Why would you want someone so beneficial for the town to reveal themselves. I doubt they're able to use their ability on themselves. I'm not sure I'm following you both on it being a good idea for them to paint a big target on their heads.

I, too, think it'd be helpful for the doc to reveal themselves and who they protected... it would narrow the pool of possible villains down to 5. Right now I feel like we're still flying blind and could very easily mislynch again.

However, this also makes sense to me:

Thor wrote:If we do not have the doc claim unless we're about to lynch him or the confirmed town we lynch from the pool of five.

We could just begin our round of accusations again, and simply expect that if the person has any sense, they'll pipe up before we lynch them. The detective didn't do so, and although saying something would have doomed him, I think it would've been smart to speak up because it'd have saved us from a false lynch and forced the killer to take him out (and the doctor could always protect him, after all).

But I don't think there's any point waiting around... we are rather where we were before, except with the assurance that if we start seriously planning to lynch the confirmed innocent or the doctor, they can warn us about it.

I'm not sure, though. At the moment, we still don't have any clue who the killers are, apparently. Making the doctor reveal themselves could help with that... The downside is we then likely lose the doctor this night. Having him wait till tomorrow might not help our odds much... Especially if we mislynch. Doing that should be our biggest concern, I think. On the other hand, a reveal right now would give us more information to lynch correctly... Can't really decide to be honest. This could be a side effect of the crazy work week I've had . Or the fact that all my suspicions so far have proven wrong. Really, does anyone have a strong suspicion (with supporting evidence) now that we've lynched wrong again?

I'm not sure the doc would be aware of the role of who they block though. At most it would clear one person, but every time I've seen someone claim they are a protown role, they usually end up the lynch that day or the night kill, if not the lynch of the next day as next to no one believes them and it's not all that difficult for the bad guys to roll with the disbelief.

I guess I'm just seeing it as too much of a gamble.

There will be clues, we just need to open our eyes and look for them harder.

*Up*

n0t_u wrote:

RustyKnight wrote:Thor is on the money: I vote for a doc reveal.

Why would you want someone so beneficial for the town to reveal themselves. I doubt they're able to use their ability on themselves. I'm not sure I'm following you both on it being a good idea for them to paint a big target on their heads.

I explained this, let me try again.

What is more beneficial to the town right now?

Absolute knowledge of two confirmed town?

or

A 1/6 chance to avoid a nightkill tomorrow?

Now I get it. 1/6 or 1/3.

Perhaps it is an alright idea. Still a little skeptical of it though.

So any ideas on who it could be?

Everybody is sitting around waiting for brilliance - here it is;

@Doc - claim, seriously, no one has presented a viable case for you not to claim.

@Everyone else - let's not wait for that claim, because we still need to try to lynch scum and we can always move votes after said claim.

Vote: theferrett

Last minute shift to Mordo, and unlike RTides didn't comment on the simul-vote.

Thor. I was ASKED TO SHIFT.
And remarking ion chance? What kind of abject silliness is that?

@ferrett - for a guy running that quiet thus far today that was a quick reaction the instant I put a vote on you. Was it pure chance, or did you just have absolutely zero opinion on whether or not the doc should claim?

Both actually. You posted during one of my highly online times. And I believe pushing the doctor to claim will just have to bunch of you disbelieve him as soon as it becomes convenient. So him claiming now or 50 years in the future makes diddly action.

Oh, alright. You guys are no fun . Not_u, did you get my hint below, or was it coincidence that you said in your next post "There will be clues, we just need to open our eyes and look for them harder."

RiTides wrote:I'm not sure, though. At the moment, we still don't have any clue who the killers are, apparently. Making the doctor reveal themselves could help with that... The downside is we then likely lose the doctor this night. Having him wait till tomorrow might not help our odds much... Especially if we mislynch. Doing that should be our biggest concern, I think. On the other hand, a reveal right now would give us more information to lynch correctly... Can't really decide to be honest. This could be a side effect of the crazy work week I've had . Or the fact that all my suspicions so far have proven wrong. Really, does anyone have a strong suspicion (with supporting evidence) now that we've lynched wrong again?

"I am the doctor"

The reason I didn't think revealing would help much, is that I have not been much suspected, and neither has the person I protected last night: not_u. I protected him because he was the only person other than Thor not to vote for the flalse lynch, and he was also relatively unsuspected- which seemed to be the killer's pattern, based on their random killing of Fifty.

I am probably dead tonight, so I'm going to enjoy the game while it lasts. Shame on you guys for not picking up on my hint . Although it wasn't really going to help, anyway, since if a killer picked up on it I'd be just as dead, and we couldn't have as relevant of a discussion.

Thor- I think you need to explain yourself, since you suggested us switching and killing Mordoskul. It was the wrong choice, and you've been awfully lynch-happy.

Also, perhaps now knowing the killing pattern so far (Fifty, attempt on not_u) will give people a hint as to who the killers are, maybe based on past game behaviors? They're killing all of the bystanders and none of the outspoken suspects.

So there are 2 killers amongst these 5:

Drk_O
Rusty
ferret
WarOrk
Thor