What is the Emperor's real name? does anybody know it? Or is it so powerful a word nobody dare speak it for it's mere utterance will make the head of any mortal man explode if within earshot of the person speaking? Or something like that because you never hear about his name or anything.

Fred.

His name is Fred James.

I've heard some people say that he's Jesus but I personally don't see the resemblance.


But in all seriousness I've never read anything that even hints at a name...and I doubt they would name him when they barely describe what he looks like in the HH novels.

Maybe he IS jesus.




Damn, I want Jesus dead...

Karl Franz

Learning Big E's name is like taking a hit of Charlie Sheen. THus no one knows his name.

I was serious about the name, but apparently he was jesus, muhamad and other religious leaders throughout history, he was just guiding us until he could show himself as the emperor and unite all of mankind

Liam Pourer, the name just distorted into "The Emporer" in the end

If he was any of the major religious figure heads then he sure did a feth up job of guiding us.

But then again, there was that whole Horus Heresy thing.

Bob.

You have to really look close at the original "Rogue Trader" 40k book, version 1.

(I thought it was actually in the 40k compendium but I was wrong)

I forget what page it's actually on, but the Emperors full name is...

Dick C. Smack

If he was relgious leaders over the years, that would explain the plethora of miracles that fallowed these people and why people worshipped them.

I always figured one of the guises of the Big-E was Constantine the Great; politically re-unified the Roman Empire (which itself has all the right iconographies for the Imperium, barring the skull fetish of GW) and attempted to further unify the Empire with the religious worship of a single God, represented by a Crux.

I also figured his displeasure at how that all turned out is what lead him to taking a hard Science & Atheistic path during the great crusade.

Stuart.
Stuart Markson.

He's sort of like your dad.

You just call him Father.

the Emperor's name is *waits for drum roll to finish* Tracy

obsidianaura wrote:Liam Pourer, the name just distorted into "The Emporer" in the end

I was gonna write something funny, but this is just too full of win. Sigged.

The emperor's name?

Chuck Norris.

True Story.


Or maybe that the Emperor had a name when he was born, but it was so long ago and he had so many different names since that even he cannot remember it.

Nobody know's his name, like nobody knows the gods name today.
Christ is son and God is father and nobody knows his name. The same thing is with the Emperor.

But we do know God's name, though.

Its Yahweh.

Micromegas wrote:But we do know God's name, though.

Its Yahweh.

That would be interesting, what if a diety's name was the true name of the emperor, or just a name we created for him.

Micromegas wrote:But we do know God's name, though.

Its Yahweh.

That's God of Israel. I am talking about Christan god.
Even Alah don't have a name (Alah = God on Arabic).

Brother Coa wrote:

Micromegas wrote:But we do know God's name, though.

Its Yahweh.

That's God of Israel. I am talking about Christan god.
Even Alah don't have a name (Alah = God on Arabic).

Now i'm not quite up to scratch on religion but isn't the Jewish god and the Christian god the same? They are simply seperated by their beliefs on the Messiah...
I'd say the Emperor wasn't the religious leaders but instead the guy coming up with all the technology and science like Galileo or Archimedes but that's just my idea.

Brother Coa wrote:

Micromegas wrote:But we do know God's name, though.

Its Yahweh.

That's God of Israel. I am talking about Christan god.
Even Alah don't have a name (Alah = God on Arabic).

It's all the same god. Just the details of what came after get heated.

zeshin wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

Micromegas wrote:But we do know God's name, though.

Its Yahweh.

That's God of Israel. I am talking about Christan god.
Even Alah don't have a name (Alah = God on Arabic).

It's all the same god. Just the details of what came after get heated.

Tell that to the Muslims, Orthodox, Catholics and others...
To them, it's not the same god. And even I don't believe that because cultural difference is to great to be the same god.

Brother Coa wrote:

zeshin wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

Micromegas wrote:But we do know God's name, though.

Its Yahweh.

That's God of Israel. I am talking about Christan god.
Even Alah don't have a name (Alah = God on Arabic).

It's all the same god. Just the details of what came after get heated.

Tell that to the Muslims, Orthodox, Catholics and others...
To them, it's not the same god. And even I don't believe that because cultural difference is to great to be the same god.

You're aware Catholics are Christians right?
As far as i am aware the Christian god and the Jewish god are the same god...
They just have a different understanding of his latest exploits.

Yes, Christians, Jews and Muslims all believe in the same frikkin God. I wish people would tell them that more.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Yes, Christians, Jews and Muslims all believe in the same frikkin God. I wish people would tell them that more.

It's a little hard after more than 2000 years of wars and slaughter...
And stupid people who blindly follows their religious leaders...
Where is the Emperor when we need him?

Brother Coa wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Yes, Christians, Jews and Muslims all believe in the same frikkin God. I wish people would tell them that more.

It's a little hard after more than 2000 years of wars and slaughter...
And stupid people who blindly follows their religious leaders...
Where is the Emperor when we need him?

He is busy being fictional...
Though he had the right view on religion IMO

purplefood wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Yes, Christians, Jews and Muslims all believe in the same frikkin God. I wish people would tell them that more.

It's a little hard after more than 2000 years of wars and slaughter...
And stupid people who blindly follows their religious leaders...
Where is the Emperor when we need him?

He is busy being fictional...
Though he had the right view on religion IMO

word.

purplefood wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Yes, Christians, Jews and Muslims all believe in the same frikkin God. I wish people would tell them that more.

It's a little hard after more than 2000 years of wars and slaughter...
And stupid people who blindly follows their religious leaders...
Where is the Emperor when we need him?

He is busy being fictional...
Though he had the right view on religion IMO

I have the same view, but it's hard to explain this to people.
Religion is a dangerous thing today, it drives the people crazy.
In the end, they only kill because the other guy don't believe in your God?
Religion should be better controlled if you ask me.

Purplefood is quite correct.

They are all the same God. That is why its called the Abrahamic God and why the Abrahamic religions are all fethed up.

That is one thing I like about 40K, religion is a train wreck that doesn't deserve notice. The Emperor knew this and avoided it as best he could. But, humans will always grasp for it, religion, unfortunately.

Micromegas wrote:Purplefood is quite correct.

They are all the same God. That is why its called the Abrahamic God and why the Abrahamic religions are all fethed up.

That is one thing I like about 40K, religion is a train wreck that doesn't deserve notice. The Emperor knew this and avoided it as best he could. But, humans will always grasp for it, religion, unfortunately.

Or the One True God. I forgot the Cylons, Cylons believe in him too.

Brother Coa wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Yes, Christians, Jews and Muslims all believe in the same frikkin God. I wish people would tell them that more.

It's a little hard after more than 2000 years of wars and slaughter...
And stupid people who blindly follows their religious leaders...
Where is the Emperor when we need him?

He is busy being fictional...
Though he had the right view on religion IMO

I have the same view, but it's hard to explain this to people.
Religion is a dangerous thing today, it drives the people crazy.
In the end, they only kill because the other guy don't believe in your God?
Religion should be better controlled if you ask me.

That's a bit much...
There are plenty of non-violent religions...
Budhism
Cricket
Pastafarianism
The Brotherhood of Nod... oh wait maybe not that one.
Belief is what you make it and however ridiculous it may seem you can't really argue with it.
The biggest problem with most religion is fundamentalism-Doing everything a thousand year old book tells you to do is strange it was written in a different time by people who had no idea of our world most people can live with changes but some cna't.
That's my view anyway...
Back to the subject at hand...
The Emperor probably went by a dozen different names in his time.

I believe Pastafarianism is a branch of atheism. Anyways why aren't the mods locking this for off-topicness?

KamikazeCanuck wrote:I believe Pastafarianism is a branch of atheism. Anyways why aren't the mods locking this for off-topicness?

The Modquisition is off torturing heretics...

Actually, religion is dangerous.

Buddhism is one of the religions that often times is called to the forefront of being "peaceful". The thing is religion cheapens life and in the early days of man it allowed for wars and war crimes to be justified, along with other horrible atrocities against humanity.

Unfortunately, I can't recall some of the more negative things of/and about Buddhism, so my argument will fall pretty flat. But the cheapening of life remains; wage war, maim, burn, purge, slaughter, rape, etc.. it's alright, you're slaying the infidel and converting them, God wants this. I will probably have to dig out some of my books on Buddhism to find what I was trying to recall. At any rate, I hold a high disdain for all religions. I don't usually go around picking fights with people that choose to believe in a god, though. Unless I get riled up! /rawr

purplefood wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:I believe Pastafarianism is a branch of atheism. Anyways why aren't the mods locking this for off-topicness?

The Modquisition is off torturing heretics...

Usually for the Modquisition off-topic-people are heretics. I guess that's only for Tau threads.

Micromegas wrote:Actually, religion is dangerous.

Buddhism is one of the religions that often times is called to the forefront of being "peaceful". The thing is religion cheapens life and in the early days of man it allowed for wars and war crimes to be justified, along with other horrible atrocities against humanity.

Unfortunately, I can't recall some of the more negative things of/and about Buddhism, so my argument will fall pretty flat. But the cheapening of life remains; wage war, maim, burn, purge, slaughter, rape, etc.. it's alright, you're slaying the infidel and converting them, God wants this. I will probably have to dig out some of my books on Buddhism to find what I was trying to recall. At any rate, I hold a high disdain for all religions. I don't usually go around picking fights with people that choose to believe in a god, though. Unless I get riled up! /rawr

I didn't say they weren't dangerous.
Just that going around telling people they can't believe in something is ridiculous.
Freedom is a package deal. You have the freedom to believe in something but if you affect someones elses freedom (by kiling them for not believing) then you are in the wrong, otherwise it's all gravy... well sort of.

Oh, sorry purple. Sometimes I get tunnel vision when people start talking about religion.

I can understand that...
This has got soooo off topic...
I feel guilty for even posting on it now.

Well, in the interest of a discussion becoming more "on topic":

It's Chad. His name is Chad.

There. Now wasn't that an interesting discussion the topic police can be happy enough with?

(Oh wait.. I almost forgot to add, "discuss", to keep the thread moving)

--The Emperor's name is Chad. Discuss.

I like Lance Square-Jaw personally.

But, he's from 'Anatolia' and in our present time that's Turkey, so...

The most common name in the US is John Smith.

and since I have no imagination,Yahya Demirci... umm, John Smith in Arabic and Turkish.

Micromegas wrote:The thing is religion cheapens life and in the early days of man it allowed for wars and war crimes to be justified, along with other horrible atrocities against humanity.

Are you seriously suggesting that if it wasn't for religion then wars wouldn't happen? Also, could you please provide an example of a war that was initiated purely for religion?

Uhlan wrote:But, he's from 'Anatolia' and in our present time that's Turkey, so...

At the time he was born it wasn't Turkey. Not sure what it was (it may have been before the Byzantines (or their ancestors) arrived there), but his name would almost certainly not have been in either Arabic or Turkish. I'm pretty sure his name has yet to be given.

As to those saying he was various religious leaders, considering he was supposed to be guiding humanity from the shadows, so to speak, I highly doubt he was Jesus or Muhammad who drew a lot of attention to themselves.

purplefood wrote:This has got soooo off topic...

Indeed. I can appreciate, even applaud, the way that conversations and discussions can take odd routes. But, especially when discussing fictional backstories of characters in the 40K setting, we ask users to show some understanding and sensitivity to the views and opinions of other posters and members. I understand that no one here was deliberately trying to be offensive to others, but some/several of the comments have, frankly, gone over the line.

I'll leave this open for now as, and fair play to you, the thread posters appeared to have moved back on track and away from areas that really have nothing to do with the background of the 40k setting.

Be cool to each other please Dakkanauts.

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

Micromegas wrote:The thing is religion cheapens life and in the early days of man it allowed for wars and war crimes to be justified, along with other horrible atrocities against humanity.

Are you seriously suggesting that if it wasn't for religion then wars wouldn't happen? Also, could you please provide an example of a war that was initiated purely for religion?

The crusades.

VikingScott wrote:

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

Micromegas wrote:The thing is religion cheapens life and in the early days of man it allowed for wars and war crimes to be justified, along with other horrible atrocities against humanity.

Are you seriously suggesting that if it wasn't for religion then wars wouldn't happen? Also, could you please provide an example of a war that was initiated purely for religion?

The crusades.

You mean the same Crusades that were started to take land and treasure in the Middle East but was SAID to be about religion?

Try actually reading about them past a high school text, the Crusades were hardly about purely religious reasons.

@Randomevilguy

Are you serious? The Holy Crusades, the whole point of which was to secure the Holy Land? No, I am not so narrow-minded to think that wars happen only because of religion. Please re-read my post, maybe a little slower. All I said was that religion made wars justifiable for the masses. There was a time when man blindly followed whatever the Church threw at him. The Church was corrupt and you'd be pretty ignorant to think it didn't hold considerable power over many nations. I'll leave it at that.


On topic:

I think the Emperor has no name. His name is a connotation of his existence. That he is literally and figuratively the Emperor of Man, whether Man wills it or not. But, if he had to have a name I'd say it was Link Austere.


ED: I hardly think that helps the case, Plat. But you are right and bring up a good point. The fact remains that religion is what rallied the people to arms. It was also what absolved them of their sins. Yes, I suppose you could say they weren't "purely for religion", but they were fought for it and was made possible because of it.

Platuan4th wrote:
You mean the same Crusades that were started to take land and treasure in the Middle East but was SAID to be about religion?

Not just to take land and treasure. There were myriad reasons, but while religion may have inspired the masses, I don't think it had a great effect on the actual wars being declared.

Micromegas wrote:Are you serious? The Holy Crusades, the whole point of which was to secure the Holy Land? No, I am not so narrow-minded to think that wars happen only because of religion. Please re-read my post, maybe a little slower. All I said was that religion made wars justifiable for the masses. There was a time when man blindly followed whatever the Church threw at him. The Church was corrupt and you'd be pretty ignorant to think it didn't hold considerable power over many nations. I'll leave it at that.

The (first few) crusades were for a lot of reasons. Not just to reclaim the Holy Land, but also to defend the Byzantine Empire and to safeguard Christian pilgrims (as well as land, glory and wealth). Religion is not required for the masses to justify a war. Most wars don't require it (such as the Hundred Years War and pretty much every recent war). The Church wielded considerable influence but it still had to play politics, and while it held influence it's direct power was often limited (hence why Frederick II enjoyed so much success).

I think the Emperor has no name. His name is a connotation of his existence. That he is literally and figuratively the Emperor of Man, whether Man wills it or not. But, if he had to have a name I'd say it was Link Austere.

If he was born normally (I'm not sure if he was if he was a amalgamation of shaman souls), then he would presumably have been named by his mother (or if she died in childbirth, then the father, or other guardian). Not that it's important. What I really want to know is how was he 'birthed'.

Thinking about it, he may have described himself like the Doctor in Doctor Who before he united Terra and embarked on the Great Crusade (as in, styling himself by titles rather than an actual name).

@RandomEvilguy

Alright, I thought you were just pure trolling. I suppose I am a bit over-zealous at times about religion. Sorry for coming off ass-like. However, I still hold my stance that religion has enabled for horrible acts to take place.

Doctor Who.

You may be correct, I don't think the Emperor was birthed as a human would be though. Perhaps, something akin to a Chaos god?

The emperor probably did have an "original" name given to him by his parents when he was born, but over the mellenia has taken many different names and lived many different lives. As many have said, it is popular belief that he was many religious leaders, rulers and prophets over time "guiding" humanity (explaining all the miracles around famous and religious leaders) Although he is now known as "Chuck Noris" in the 21st C

Am I really going to have to say it?

Chuck Norris.

His name is 'Jemobud' or it could be 'Mobudje'.

You can can call him what the heck you like though, his cripled ass is hooked up to life support, he cannot hear you anyway.

Mr. Burning wrote:His name is 'Jemobud' or it could be 'Mobudje'.

You can can call him what the heck you like though, his cripled ass is hooked up to life support, he cannot hear you anyway.

Actually, as evidenced by the Inquisition War, he can.

He's PSYCHIC.

Da he is Raspuetin

Platuan4th wrote:

Mr. Burning wrote:His name is 'Jemobud' or it could be 'Mobudje'.

You can can call him what the heck you like though, his cripled ass is hooked up to life support, he cannot hear you anyway.

Actually, as evidenced by the Inquisition War, he can.

He's PSYCHIC.

ah yes the that book. where he has multiple personalities and an inquisitor is so petty he pretends to be nuts so his friend will kill him because an CALLIDUS ASSASSIN doesnt remember his name.

His name is !Xobile

Einhander, imo.

Martin Sue.

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:Martin Sue.

You're a baaaaad man.

Maybe the Emperor kept in a little diary the list of aaaaaall the names he had over his long life.

Maybe it is kept right under his throne...

That would be cool IMO.

I guess the High Lords keep the existence of this little diary secret because some of his names are ridiculous.

In prospero burns its revealed that he has a name but no one gets to know it because names have power and revealing your name allows someone to control you.

EmilCrane wrote:In prospero burns its revealed that he has a name but no one gets to know it because names have power and revealing your name allows someone to control you.

Yes, I remember reading that.

But I simply consider it as really bad fluff writing from Abnett. It simply doesn't make any sense IMO.

kind of puts an end to getting a true name for him

Laodamia wrote:

EmilCrane wrote:In prospero burns its revealed that he has a name but no one gets to know it because names have power and revealing your name allows someone to control you.

Yes, I remember reading that.

But I simply consider it as really bad fluff writing from Abnett. It simply doesn't make any sense IMO.

I don't think its that bad, Abnett's portrayal of psyker power is a lot better than some

This power that we never get to know much about that can do horrible things to you, much better than choosing some random power from a list

Laodamia wrote:

EmilCrane wrote:In prospero burns its revealed that he has a name but no one gets to know it because names have power and revealing your name allows someone to control you.

Yes, I remember reading that.

But I simply consider it as really bad fluff writing from Abnett. It simply doesn't make any sense IMO.

lets try to stay away from the whole bad fluff writing comments or before you know it we'll be knee deep in C.S. Goto and Matt Ward comments.

case013 wrote:

Laodamia wrote:

EmilCrane wrote:In prospero burns its revealed that he has a name but no one gets to know it because names have power and revealing your name allows someone to control you.

Yes, I remember reading that.

But I simply consider it as really bad fluff writing from Abnett. It simply doesn't make any sense IMO.

lets try to stay away from the whole bad fluff writing comments or before you know it we'll be knee deep in C.S. Goto and Matt Ward comments.

Agreed.

So, from what I had from all these comments. Big E had a name. But we don't know it any more.

Do you think he still knew it by M29? If yes, why would he keep it secret?

i think once he realized what he was and who he was to become he just dropped his name realizing that it would not matter. i mean if he lived for so long and manipulated so much he probably had a million names and personas to fill in whatever roll he was playing at the moment. A great masked conspirator shaping everything for his rise to power.

The emperor's name is ...Legion, for he has been many..

(creepy huh? )

AAAHHHH the horrible Ghost Rider movie popped into my head when you said that. get it out get it out *grabs a power drill*

that was a horrible movie..sorry ( applies advanced Tau nano-probe movie review bots to Case013's head to relieve the pain of yet another Nicholas Cage bomb. )

There I hope thats better.

Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:that was a horrible movie..sorry ( applies advanced Tau nano-probe movie review bots to Case013's head to relieve the pain of yet another Nicholas Cage bomb. )

There I hope thats better.

yes much better thank you

havent liked that guy since face off and thats because John Travolta was a freaking awesome villain

his only good movie was "raising Arizona" that and the movie had the closest thing to a Ork biker I had seen

to get back on topic..

The emperor's real name is ....Bruce ( in all his iterations, Lee, Campbell, Willis, etc. )

sweet jesus....i mean sweet bruce

his name is Mesuahases; A combination of Muhammed, buddah, jesus, and moses!

No wonder space marines change thier names when they actually become marines. So as to prevent controlling. Makes me wonder about Primarchs though.

I suppose the Emperor would be named after somebody not directly involved in the running of whatevertheyaresupposedtorun. It could be the wife of Jesus, or Muhammads wife, since behind every 'great' man there is a woman. For all you know with his great psychic powers, he could change sex as easily as he changes his underwear.

Conservationist wrote:No wonder space marines change thier names when they actually become marines. So as to prevent controlling. Makes me wonder about Primarchs though.

I suppose the Emperor would be named after somebody not directly involved in the running of whatevertheyaresupposedtorun. It could be the wife of Jesus, or Muhammads wife, since behind every 'great' man there is a woman. For all you know with his great psychic powers, he could change sex as easily as he changes his underwear.

Wait but dont the SW in the book still get controlled even though they have changed their names from what they were before they became full battle brothers? Because if im not mistaken the daemon was using their SW names if Prospero Burns. I've heard about the whole not giving real name thing from other sources but cant remember at the moment. Plus not all chapters change their names either.

Then wouldnt space marines be easily controlled and all and defeat the purpose of '' The Imperium's Greatest Warriors''? This is weird... Chaos could just control every single one of them... I could say Marneus! Clean the floor! Dante! Wash the dishes and You! Logan! Stop staring into this air, you want me to whip you? Go and mow the lawn now!

That's exactly what Im thinking. If all a daemon has to do is pull a name that's attached to that marine out of his mind then all of a sudden he's a meat puppet. The whole thing works great with daemons because it's so difficult to get their true name. But not so much vice versa on humans. you can summon a demon by it's false name but cant control it and be master unless you have it's true name. Hmm gotta put more thought into this. Sorry if it's a lil off topic

Brother Coa wrote:Nobody know's his name, like nobody knows the gods name today.
Christ is son and God is father and nobody knows his name. The same thing is with the Emperor.

Um, It's Joshua and YHVH respectively, as I recall. Christ is a title, and Jesus is a transliteration into Greek of the Hebrew name Joshua.

Now then, what is YHVH

Conservationist wrote:Now then, what is YHVH

Yahweh though the exact pronunciation is questionable. Formerly a minor Canaanite Storm god, his worship was common in the southern regions of the middle east, until he became the 'official' deity of the royal house of the kingdom of Judah. Originally sharing the kingdom with a pantheon of deities, the worship of these was banned shortly before the fall of Judah to Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon.

Micromegas wrote:@RandomEvilguy
Alright, I thought you were just pure trolling. I suppose I am a bit over-zealous at times about religion. Sorry for coming off ass-like. However, I still hold my stance that religion has enabled for horrible acts to take place.

Fair enough.

You may be correct, I don't think the Emperor was birthed as a human would be though. Perhaps, something akin to a Chaos god?

I don't know how he could have manifested though, especially considering his power.

case013 wrote:Wait but dont the SW in the book still get controlled even though they have changed their names from what they were before they became full battle brothers? Because if im not mistaken the daemon was using their SW names if Prospero Burns.

While I haven't read Prospero Burns, I would assume that very few daemons (is it possible for normal psykers to do it in the same manner?) have the ability to do it. Otherwise it doesn't really seem to make much sense, especially when you have Greater Daemon's that have grudges against specific Space Marines. Could it possibly have something to do with the relative power between the two? From what I've heard the daemon from Prospero Burns was supposed to be very powerful and able to cloak his presence exceptionally well.

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

case013 wrote:Wait but dont the SW in the book still get controlled even though they have changed their names from what they were before they became full battle brothers? Because if im not mistaken the daemon was using their SW names if Prospero Burns.

While I haven't read Prospero Burns, I would assume that very few daemons (is it possible for normal psykers to do it in the same manner?) have the ability to do it. Otherwise it doesn't really seem to make much sense, especially when you have Greater Daemon's that have grudges against specific Space Marines. Could it possibly have something to do with the relative power between the two? From what I've heard the daemon from Prospero Burns was supposed to be very powerful and able to cloak his presence exceptionally well.

Thanks for joining the discussion about that part. I really wanna work this out to a logical end and not have it just be fluff the author decided would be cool. maybe that is part of it that only a few are capable of it name sorcery, but to conflict that the whole story hints and pushes that a name is a powerful thing. like any "spirit" who knows your name has control over you. I completely agree with you because if all a daemon needed was a name then basically the whole 40k universe would come crashing down.

I do like the relative power idea. but the daemon they fight is very powerful and a master manipulator and

I can feel a re-reading of that book coming on.

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

Micromegas wrote:

You may be correct, I don't think the Emperor was birthed as a human would be though. Perhaps, something akin to a Chaos god?

I don't know how he could have manifested though, especially considering his power.

There's 2 theories.

1. That he was born like any other human

2. A large group of Shaman gathered and sacrificed themselves, their powers coalescing into a physical being with a culmination of their powers.

case013 wrote:
Thanks for joining the discussion about that part.

You're welcome.

I completely agree with you because if all a daemon needed was a name then basically the whole 40k universe would come crashing down.

It certainly would.

I do like the relative power idea. but the daemon they fight is very powerful and a master manipulator and

Spoiler:

In the wide scope He is one of the daemons that have been helping Horus into manipulating the civil war. it's not that he has a certain grudge against the SW(or it doesnt seem that way from what he says) he just happened to be the one that is tasked with driving the Space Wolves and Thousand Sons to blows(and does he ever do a great job of that). He freely admits impersonating members of each to sow discord and mistrust and feeding their fear and mistrust of each other by showing them what that want to believe the other is. A warp tainted sorcerer and a barbarian with no use for knowledge but that on how to kill

Platuan4th wrote:1. That he was born like any other human

Would this imply that the way any human is born is by the warp presence being first rather than created by the conception of the child, or would this necessitate the Emperor effectively killing a baby to replace it's soul in the womb?

2. A large group of Shaman gathered and sacrificed themselves, their powers coalescing into a physical being with a culmination of their powers.

I just don't understand how such a powerful force would be able to gain entry into the Materium in the first place. I mean, the Emperor seems unparalleled in psychic power - even the Eldar can't use their full potential for fear of Slaanesh, but the Emperor apparently does not fear the Chaos Gods in the same way.

Isn't there a third theory that he's an Old One? Or has that been disproved?

That would be a fantastic idea, Big E is an Old One, making Mankind in his own image?

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

Spoiler:

Isn't there the implication that he was the Primordial Annihilator from Legion? Either that or presumably a daemon of Tzeentch (or possibly an unaffilated one?) Still, the power of the name doesn't seem consistent throughout the setting, so I think that (if we remove the whole author just putting it in angle) it must be present only in certain circumstances. Has the power of the name over mortals been mentioned in any other works?

The main possible explanations I can think of are either it's unique to this particular daemon (or theoretically, a minor Chaos God?) and possibly a few others, or the name only allows you to do it you have sufficient power anyway (as in, without the name a daemon might not be able to identify their soul (or something) and so be unable to take control of them).

SuperSonicDuke wrote:That would be a fantastic idea, Big E is an Old One, making Mankind in his own image?

Shhh! Not everyone takes a shine to the ideas put forth by Xenology.

wait but arent the

case013 wrote:wait but arent the

Spoiler:

hrud the skaven of 40k?

Nope.

Ive seen the pic but i mean like all sneaky sneaky wise.

case013 wrote:Ive seen the pic but i mean like all sneaky sneaky wise.

They're sneaky in the way they stay away from humans and travel, but the similarity ends there. They're very devoted to their family units.

ah gotcha. been a while since id really read anything about them. thanks for the refresher.

Wasn't the book that pic was from already retconned to a fair thee well though?

BaronIveagh wrote:Wasn't the book that pic was from already retconned to a fair thee well though?

Not that I've ever heard of.

His name is (or was? or will be?) Pat Johnson.

seriously? It's derek. Derek Stevenson. What, you thought it would be all cool and awesome? If it was, why would he change it to "the emperor"?

shrike wrote:His name is (or was? or will be?) Pat Johnson.

seriously? It's derek. Derek Stevenson. What, you thought it would be all cool and awesome? If it was, why would he change it to "the emperor"?

cus his name was and is Tracy... tis why he changed it to Emperor

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:

shrike wrote:His name is (or was? or will be?) Pat Johnson.

seriously? It's derek. Derek Stevenson. What, you thought it would be all cool and awesome? If it was, why would he change it to "the emperor"?

cus his name was and is Tracy... tis why he changed it to Emperor

That was his daughter, renamed sanguinius.

shrike wrote:

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:

shrike wrote:His name is (or was? or will be?) Pat Johnson.

seriously? It's derek. Derek Stevenson. What, you thought it would be all cool and awesome? If it was, why would he change it to "the emperor"?

cus his name was and is Tracy... tis why he changed it to Emperor

That was his daughter, renamed sanguinius.

Man, Sanguinius is the hottest girl ever, after Taylor Hanson.

Postman Pat?

SuperSonicDuke wrote:That would be a fantastic idea, Big E is an Old One, making Mankind in his own image?

Personally, I hate the idea. I feel that the God Emperor of Mankind should be a man, rather than being manipulated by some xeno.

case013 wrote:

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It does imply that he is already a known player in the upcoming power struggle. It being a unique power of that daemon adds up the best. All i can say is that he is an extremely powerful daemon. At the least he is a greater demon. I'd imagine him being Chaos Undivided, but thats me. I mean he impersonates a Thousand Son psycher and walks around the Council of Nikea without the most powerful psychers (the Emperor, Malcador, and Magnus) and the most powerful Librarians from each legion that attended knowing he was there. Then procedes to control a Custodes and fight two SW the whole time using his powers and no one notices. The whole time this is happening the marine he's impersonating is standing right next to Magnus. So his power is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. The name sorcery made him perfect for playing on the SW fears. Now imma have to re-read Legion also.

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

case013 wrote:

Spoiler:

It does imply that he is already a known player in the upcoming power struggle. It being a unique power of that daemon adds up the best. All i can say is that he is an extremely powerful daemon. At the least he is a greater demon. I'd imagine him being Chaos Undivided, but thats me. I mean he impersonates a Thousand Son psycher and walks around the Council of Nikea without the most powerful psychers (the Emperor, Malcador, and Magnus) and the most powerful Librarians from each legion that attended knowing he was there. Then procedes to control a Custodes and fight two SW the whole time using his powers and no one notices. The whole time this is happening the marine he's impersonating is standing right next to Magnus. So his power is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. The name sorcery made him perfect for playing on the SW fears. Now imma have to re-read Legion also.

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I'm not sure if a daemon can be Chaos Undivided, but it's an interesting idea. It's the whole keeping hidden from the Emperor that I find most remarkable; although the tutelaries are daemons and were with the Thousand Sons it may have only had to mask its power rather than its presence. I hope they explore this more thoroughly.

VikingScott wrote:Learning Big E's name is like taking a hit of Charlie Sheen. Thus no one knows his name.

The Emperor is Charlie Sheen. He's bitchin' a freakin' rockstar from Terra.

Seriously, the Emperor is a psyker, and...



Ok, seriously though, the Emperor is Mark Zuckerburg. True story.

Conan of Cimmeria

He is not the messiah, he is a very naughty boy.....

sarpedons-right-hand wrote:He is not the messiah, he is a very naughty boy.....

talking to a marine wearing MK6 "corvus" helmets- "Big nose!"

case013 wrote:

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sorry let me rephrase that. they are more of unaligned with any one of the four greater powers. I've read several stories where daemons are out to cause havoc or set themselves up to be feared and worshiped themself. they are just out to cause well chaos. kind of like the daemon Galaxy in Flames that Horus speaks to. He is an agent of chaos but not a certain power. Or is he an agent of the primordial annihilator? because if he's an agent of the PA then isnt the PA another name or aspect of Malal? so guess that would make him aligned if he was. cant find my copy of Galaxy in Flames to check and see.

but i can see him masking his power. just kinda amazes me that when he started using it that no one aside from those directly involved noticed or at the least no one said anything.

Its blatantly Chuck Norris!!!

^
The Chuck Norris thing is really old, in fact I'm not sure how that even started...

Rorepme Dog is his name.

It is written somewhere in one of the 40K books that I have read (though I can't remember which one and I am not going to re-read my entire library to find it) that he is simply known as the Emperor and always has been.

Colep715 wrote:It is written somewhere in one of the 40K books that I have read (though I can't remember which one and I am not going to re-read my entire library to find it) that he is simply known as the Emperor and always has been.

Ah, that book, what's that called, ummm, oh yeah, Warhammer 40,000 Rulebook, 5th Edition?

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

Micromegas wrote:The thing is religion cheapens life and in the early days of man it allowed for wars and war crimes to be justified, along with other horrible atrocities against humanity.

Are you seriously suggesting that if it wasn't for religion then wars wouldn't happen? Also, could you please provide an example of a war that was initiated purely for religion?

Uhlan wrote:But, he's from 'Anatolia' and in our present time that's Turkey, so...

At the time he was born it wasn't Turkey. Not sure what it was (it may have been before the Byzantines (or their ancestors) arrived there), but his name would almost certainly not have been in either Arabic or Turkish. I'm pretty sure his name has yet to be given.

As to those saying he was various religious leaders, considering he was supposed to be guiding humanity from the shadows, so to speak, I highly doubt he was Jesus or Muhammad who drew a lot of attention to themselves.

Yeah, I got that he's not a Turk, but I don't know what language was present at 8000 bce (according to some fluff I think) in Anatolia so I chose present time. Perhaps my humor is a bit too dry. Maybe I should have translated "John Doe" instead...

Oh Yeah,

I don't think the Emperor was anyone we'd know in history. I think he was the preverbial 'power behind the throne' of many influential people throughout history. Guiding events rather than making news. Personally, I think he's a member or leader of the "Illuminati"... at least I think it would explain a lot. Plus add a lot of interesting intrigue.

Unlike Chaos demons, like doombreed, who have different agendas (and revel in the power and mayhem) exploiting their time in the material world with as much gusto as possible. The Emperor didn't make himself known for a long, long time. He knew what he was up against and maybe wasn't fully prepared to lead humanity until he did.

Either Rick Priestley or Andy Chambers, can't remember which.

Mustela thats intelligent

Ophelia Balls

His real name is Barney Stimpson. He is awesome, true story. This thread is truely Legen........wait for it.............dary!

Some call him ...... Tim.

Or Batman, your pick.

In Mechanicum it states he was all the important characters in time. George and the Dragon (Void Dragon/Omnisiah/3rd C'tan) being the example.

George Bush.

The Emperor is probably a Hattian. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hattians

They're the closest thing to an ancient people living in central Anatolia at the time. But, going back that many centuries makes everything rather unclear.

They didn't have a written language, and the most well-known family name is Hattico. So, that's my best guess for the Emperor's name. Mr. Hattico.

If the emperor is jesus then jesus is dead on the golden thrown so emperor is not jesus

samtheking wrote:If the emperor is jesus then jesus is dead on the golden thrown so emperor is not jesus

How do you know he isn't/wasn't?

In the Horus heresy series (i can't remember which book) Horus mentions that a ring the emperor gave him 'was only a century or 2 older than the emperor' and that it was ancient Persian. IIRC the ring described is very famous. But my Ancient Persian history of jewelry isn't with me today...
but i think (like many others) that he was the 'behind the scenes' guy since he was born/created/woken up/exploded from the warp. Maybe at one point Rasputin? The fact it took so much to kill the guy makes this make a bit more sense.
but i also believe he is fully human. He may have been made, but he's still human. uber psyker, but still human.

The emperor's name is.... the doctor.

Mr Nobody wrote:The emperor's name is.... the doctor.

What... Valentino Rossi?

theres a machine on Mars calculating all the names in the universe, stopping when they finally find the emperors. or this is just a "Million names of God" reference. YOU DECIDE!

Robert Paulson

Barack Obama !
No? why? He's not black?
... You fethin' racist!

Ted Theodore Logan

NagothDaCleaver wrote:Ted Theodore Logan

or is it Bill S. Preston? (esquire)

Dr Cox

Neil Patrick Harris!
After sleeping with the intire earth female population he wanted to take his mandliness and sexapeal to Space! And Thus having sex with female aliens. And Horus was his Jaloux wingman!

True story.

Well considering the discussion the empore is earther jesus or some really smart guy.

Barry....it the new bob

I think Liam Pourer is probably spot on....

does that mean he is jesus and JFK and Obama and Adam west and HenryVIII and Julius Caesar?

Kaiser Souze

Warboss ZanZag wrote:Neil Patrick Harris!
After sleeping with the intire earth female population he wanted to take his mandliness and sexapeal to Space!

You DO know who you're talking about, right?

Although, if the Emperor is Neil Patrick Harris, that explains Marines...

Charlie Sheen.

Tracy, Eldrad said so..... LOL

Platuan4th wrote:

Warboss ZanZag wrote:Neil Patrick Harris!
After sleeping with the intire earth female population he wanted to take his mandliness and sexapeal to Space!

You DO know who you're talking about, right?

Although, if the Emperor is Neil Patrick Harris, that explains Marines...

I think he meant Barney, but still...

"Saguinus, I, uh, need to see you in my office... you next Dorn... bring your fist..."

He is a boy named Susan.

(10 points if you get the reference)

The Emperor has 3 names

Mark Wells (CEO of Games Workshop)

Tom Kirby (Chairman of Games Workshop)

Kevin Rountree (CFO of Games Workshop)

Without their guiding light, there would be no space marines

Matt Ward.

Melkhiordarkblade wrote:He is a boy named Susan.

(10 points if you get the reference)

but will he go whip his mean old dad's ass?

my vote goes to

Richard (Dick) Cox

It used to make me giggle how in DoW I the IG General would yell "THEY SHALL KNOW THE EMPEROR'S NAME!" Used to make me imagine a guardsman turning around to him and saying "What is the Emperor's name, sir?" *Blam*

geordie09 wrote:Kaiser Souze

Freaking brilliant man

The Emperor is the reincarnated form of hundreds of old earth shamans. He "has" as many names, though his reincarnation might not even remember them. Or care.

So the big E has been trying to create a united planet for aeons and could be several of the famous warlords throughout history...

He likes elite armies...

He likes eagles motifs...

He likes persecuting the religious...

Aside from possibly being involved in the Roman empire as Emperor (possibly a few times) as mentioned previously in this thread, there's another distinct possibility

Oh dear...

I'd actually liken the Emperor to a Czar of the Russian Empire.

ph34r wrote:The Emperor is the reincarnated form of hundreds of old earth shamans. He "has" as many names, though his reincarnation might not even remember them. Or care.

This. I remember them talking about this in an IC podcast.

My guess is, WW3 happened, everything reverted back to the Stone Age, psykers appeared, a major group of them came along and were like, "Hey, let's go uber on their and then take over space, yeah?"

What-THERE IS NO GOD.
but then again he was made into a god in the end...

I should think the Emperor purposely keeps his real name hidden so that he can't be controlled or bound in the same way daemons, and seemingly everything else can. There is much power in a name. I'll cite the end of Prospero Burns as a reference, but won't spoil it.

Doop Dude wrote:

ph34r wrote:The Emperor is the reincarnated form of hundreds of old earth shamans. He "has" as many names, though his reincarnation might not even remember them. Or care.

This. I remember them talking about this in an IC podcast.

My guess is, WW3 happened, everything reverted back to the Stone Age, psykers appeared, a major group of them came along and were like, "Hey, let's go uber on their and then take over space, yeah?"

That doesn't work unless the clock also reset. We used to have an approximate date for the Emperor's birth(~8,000 B.C.).

Sometimes preventing people from humanizing you makes you a more powerful ruler. Elizabeth I wore heavy face powder to make herself seem grim and unearthly. Japanese God-Emperors actually have no official name - currently, the man named Akihito is referred to as "His Imperial Majesty," and will only be officially named as "Emperor Heisei" after his demise. Fundamentalist Islam forbids the making of any image of Muhammed. Pretty much every monarchic nation has a tradition of taking on a name of state or even completely shedding their name when someone ascends to the throne. It's all a way of making yourself seem divine and inhuman, and it has an effect even in secular societies. Anyone who is so important that they can go without having a name is clearly powerful enough to demand respect.

Platuan4th wrote:

Doop Dude wrote:

ph34r wrote:The Emperor is the reincarnated form of hundreds of old earth shamans. He "has" as many names, though his reincarnation might not even remember them. Or care.

This. I remember them talking about this in an IC podcast.

My guess is, WW3 happened, everything reverted back to the Stone Age, psykers appeared, a major group of them came along and were like, "Hey, let's go uber on their and then take over space, yeah?"

That doesn't work unless the clock also reset. We used to have an approximate date for the Emperor's birth(~8,000 B.C.).

I see. Ok, my new guess is that these psykers have been around for yonkderks then.