Was discussing the relationships between battle brothers with some friends. After some debate we decided it was a bromance. Anyone else have thoughts on the matter?

I imagine it would sort of be like a high school football team, lots of swatting each other on the butt and surreptitious peeking in the showers to see how your "equipment" measured up with the other manly men.

Well you do get the impression of the fraternity keggers when you read about the Space Wolves.

They are brothers and the affection they have for eachother is the same as one has for their siblings. Chapter masters and dreadnoughts may be viewed more as a father figure, while other high ranking space marines are like older brothers. Scouts would be viewed the same way one views their little brother.

Except we see fear/revulsion directed at Techmarines and Librians.
Black Templar treat neophytes (scouts) as personal servants.

Mr Nobody wrote: Scouts would be viewed the same way one views their little brother.

Meaning that they make them eat worms and tease them when they cry.

By what I've seen, Scouts are treated as partial outsiders seeking to prove themselves worthy to become full-fledged Battle Brothers.

Son 0f Dorn wrote:Black Templar treat neophytes (scouts) as personal servants.

Exactly. I guess it depends on the culture of the chapter.

Some chapters with a more "primitive" or archaic culture might place hierarchy before fraternity. Hence, neophytes would be disregarded by battle brothers, who are in turn being despised by the proud veterans, etc.

Meh, sounds like any other military unit.

In other words:

Old Guy: "Hey new guy, take this trash bag and get me an exhaust sample from the generator."
New Guy: "Okay, how do I do that?"
Old Guy: "Take the trash bag and hold it over the exhaust pipe while it is running, then take the bag to the motor sergeant."
The New Guy then runs off to do it, and then during all of the laughter from everyone else, goes to the Motor Sergeant, who tells him he needs some Flight Line, and some Blinker Fluid.

Ma55ter_fett wrote:

Mr Nobody wrote: Scouts would be viewed the same way one views their little brother.

Meaning that they make them eat worms and tease them when they cry.

Battle Brother: "Stop hitting yourself! Stop hitting yourself"

Scout: CHAPTER MASTER!!! Brother David won't leave me alone!



500 Posts!

It's not like that....
Scouts are the future of the Chapter and for that they are respected. And the older Marines are teaching them well, maybe sometimes they are pushing them over the limits.
But I have never heard of Space Marines abusing their scouts, they are just to disciplined and religious to do that.
Example is Scout sergeant Cyrus from DoW II. I never saw Other sergeants abuse him or their scouts.

Well... the Ultramarines are based off Greek / Roman Culture...

So MY guess is... errr... think naked in bath houses with boys of a questionable age (those poor scouts)

I mean... blame the Romans not me :/

Son 0f Dorn wrote:Well you do get the impression of the fraternity keggers when you read about the Space Wolves.

This... even the elder (and wiser) SW do some srazy stuff. Though the Blood Claws are entertaining aparently...

akaean wrote:Well... the Ultramarines are based off Greek / Roman Culture...

So MY guess is... errr... think naked in bath houses with boys of a questionable age (those poor scouts)

I mean... blame the Romans not me :/

Show us on the doll where the chaplain touched you.

Son 0f Dorn wrote:
Black Templar treat neophytes (scouts) as personal servants.

No, they don't, they train them and the initiates treat this as a solemn duty. Its a peer mentor relationship. They're not pampered, but they're not treated as servants, no where in the codex does it say this.

They do the duties of chapter serfs for whoever they are apprenticing for.

Son 0f Dorn wrote:They do the duties of chapter serfs for whoever is training them.

It says they do wait on them at banquets, not that they do the work of serfs.

Son 0f Dorn wrote:

akaean wrote:Well... the Ultramarines are based off Greek / Roman Culture...

So MY guess is... errr... think naked in bath houses with boys of a questionable age (those poor scouts)

I mean... blame the Romans not me :/

Show us on the doll where the chaplain touched you.

*Crushes the doll in his hands*

^ He was quite thorough, then.

At any rate, as stated, the Space Marines relationship with one another is generally a strong family-like bond, however, there are variations from chapter to chapter.

One fist ready to strike your enemies, the other reaching out to help your brother.

Just think it's funnier to picture them that way.

@Footsloggin: I lol'd. Pretty hard too.

Ma55ter_fett wrote:I imagine it would sort of be like a high school football team, lots of swatting each other on the butt and surreptitious peeking in the showers to see how your "equipment" measured up with the other manly men.

I think more of the bond of gladiators in ancient Rome. A Lanister would own a group and they would constantly try to out-do their "brothers" in the Arena. Seems pertinent to the bond between Space Marines with either duty, the Imperium, their chapter, or the Emperor as their Lanister.

EmilCrane wrote:

Son 0f Dorn wrote:
Black Templar treat neophytes (scouts) as personal servants.

No, they don't, they train them and the initiates treat this as a solemn duty. Its a peer mentor relationship. They're not pampered, but they're not treated as servants, no where in the codex does it say this.

I wouldn't expect a Space Marines recruiting document to mention the abuse of new members as a prominent feature of chapter life.

There are about 1,000 chapters with a highly variable level of adherence to the strict principles of the Vanilla codex. It wouldn't surprise me if a few chapters were a bit more unorthodox in the treatment of different levels.

Spartans had a pretty crappy time before they got to full Spartiate level. But in their system, any boy born in Sparta was in the system as soon as he could walk, no choice.

I don't imagine GW would ever publish material covering physical, mental or sexual abuse of initiates.

Kilkrazy wrote:

EmilCrane wrote:

Son 0f Dorn wrote:
Black Templar treat neophytes (scouts) as personal servants.

No, they don't, they train them and the initiates treat this as a solemn duty. Its a peer mentor relationship. They're not pampered, but they're not treated as servants, no where in the codex does it say this.

I wouldn't expect a Space Marines recruiting document to mention the abuse of new members as a prominent feature of chapter life.

There are about 1,000 chapters with a highly variable level of adherence to the strict principles of the Vanilla codex. It wouldn't surprise me if a few chapters were a bit more unorthodox in the treatment of different levels.

Spartans had a pretty crappy time before they got to full Spartiate level. But in their system, any boy born in Sparta was in the system as soon as he could walk, no choice.

I don't imagine GW would ever publish material covering physical, mental or sexual abuse of initiates.

I was specifically talking about the Black templars, and in their codex it doesn't say the neophytes do the work of serfs

Kilkrazy wrote:I don't imagine GW would ever publish material covering physical, mental or sexual abuse of initiates.

Sounds like someone hasn't read Space Marine, by Ian Watson.

Bromance is HERESY! I'm sure they do not poke each others back with well...yea..., do not touch each other's...well..yea... and do not sleep with each other while having...well..yea...

What do you call someone (or something) that suffers the horrors of the universe with you, who prays with you, eats with you, trains with you, dies with you, gives you advice, takes your advice, looks out for you, make fun of you, let you make fun of him, fights beside you, is willing to die for you (and the Emperor), lives more than centuries with you and suffers with you?

Brother.

akaean wrote:Well... the Ultramarines are based off Greek / Roman Culture...

So MY guess is... errr... think naked in bath houses with boys of a questionable age (those poor scouts)

I mean... blame the Romans not me :/

This train of thoughts makes one wonder why the Crimson Fists are called that way.

So, Aspirant Theo, you wish to become a full fledged Battle Brother?
<Thwack>
Thank you sir, may I have another?

Fetterkey wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:I don't imagine GW would ever publish material covering physical, mental or sexual abuse of initiates.

Sounds like someone hasn't read Space Marine, by Ian Watson.

I've never read any GW novels, and never intend to.

However the codex is the starting point really.

The BA codex may well not say anything about the initiates doing the duty of serfs.

The young Spartans didn't have to do the duty of serfs (helots) either. There was a bunch of other stuff they had to do which would certainly be considered abuse in modern times.

Why not the BA?

Son 0f Dorn wrote:One fist ready to strike your enemies, the other reaching out around to help your brother.

I AM SORRY!!!! Couldn't help myself* after the Greek/Roman reference.

*Yes, yes. I know.

Conservationist wrote:Bromance is HERESY! I'm sure they do not poke each others back with well...yea..., do not touch each other's...well..yea... and do not sleep with each other while having...well..yea...

What do you call someone (or something) that suffers the horrors of the universe with you, who prays with you, eats with you, trains with you, dies with you, gives you advice, takes your advice, looks out for you, make fun of you, let you make fun of him, fights beside you, is willing to die for you (and the Emperor), lives more than centuries with you and suffers with you?

Brother.

This. It's the best way to describe their bond.

So this would be the description of the bond between battle-bros equal in rank.

But how do they view the Chapter Master? And the libbies? And the scouts? And what about the chapter serfs who were denied the right to be called "brothers". And how would they even view the populations they rule and protect (if they are not fleet-based)?

Laodamia wrote:So this would be the description of the bond between battle-bros equal in rank.

But how do they view the Chapter Master? And the libbies? And the scouts? And what about the chapter serfs who were denied the right to be called "brothers". And how would they even view the populations they rule and protect (if they are not fleet-based)?

I always imagined dreadnoughts being viewed like elders, depending on the chapter. Very old with alot of experience and wisdom.

Who would have thought that a fictional universe that is largely focused on the exploits of large, sweaty, grunting manly mans men weilding oversized phallic symbols would have homosexual overtones...

Fafnir wrote:Who would have thought that a fictional universe that is largely focused on the exploits of large, sweaty, grunting manly mans men weilding oversized phallic symbols would have homosexual overtones...

I sense Chaos taint in your voice...

Fafnir wrote:Who would have thought that a fictional universe that is largely focused on the exploits of large, sweaty, grunting manly mans men weilding oversized phallic symbols would have homosexual overtones...

Where did you see a phallic symbol on SM?

I bet coa is right.

He must be possessed by a slaanesh daemon!

Burn the Heretic!

Laodamia wrote:

Fafnir wrote:Who would have thought that a fictional universe that is largely focused on the exploits of large, sweaty, grunting manly mans men weilding oversized phallic symbols would have homosexual overtones...

Where did you see a phallic symbol on SM?

It's like they're screaming "HEY! LOOK AT MY REALLY BIG SCHLONG!"

Mr Nobody wrote:

Laodamia wrote:So this would be the description of the bond between battle-bros equal in rank.

But how do they view the Chapter Master? And the libbies? And the scouts? And what about the chapter serfs who were denied the right to be called "brothers". And how would they even view the populations they rule and protect (if they are not fleet-based)?

I always imagined dreadnoughts being viewed like elders, depending on the chapter. Very old with alot of experience and wisdom.

Which chapter wouldn't view dreadnought as something around the line of way too old brothers or an elderly member of the family?


then again ALL SM chapter can be accused of "questionable" practices

Laodamia wrote:
It's like they're screaming "HEY! LOOK AT MY REALLY BIG SCHLONG!"

No no no... they are just saying: "Take a look at my big gun - it will be your last"

Brother Coa wrote:

Laodamia wrote:
It's like they're screaming "HEY! LOOK AT MY REALLY BIG SCHLONG!"

No no no... they are just saying: "Take a look at my big gun - it will be your last"

When I unload my hot, steaming load of concentrated plasma straight into your...

Nevermind.

In all serioussness though, 40k is pretty much the ultimate in masculine overcompensation. It'll end up being a major subject in a paper I'll be writing soon.

Fafnir wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

Laodamia wrote:
It's like they're screaming "HEY! LOOK AT MY REALLY BIG SCHLONG!"

No no no... they are just saying: "Take a look at my big gun - it will be your last"

When I unload my hot, steaming load of concentrated plasma straight into your...

Nevermind.

In all serioussness though, 40k is pretty much the ultimate in masculine overcompensation. It'll end up being a major subject in a paper I'll be writing soon.

You are really made me laugh with your plasma joke

And in all serioussness what about Sisters of Battle? Or the Eldar?

The sisters of battle are still incredibly masculine. If you took away the boobs and the name, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. The oversized phallic imagery doesn't help either.

In the case of Eldar, their weapons could be considered just as phallic, in some cases even moreso (dark reapers... wow).

Additionally, although being marginal improvements compared to Space Marines, they're not nearly as marketed.

Fafnir wrote:The sisters of battle are still incredibly masculine. If you took away the boobs and the name, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. The oversized phallic imagery doesn't help either.

In the case of Eldar, their weapons could be considered just as phallic, in some cases even moreso (dark reapers... wow).

Additionally, although being marginal improvements compared to Space Marines, they're not nearly as marketed.

No, Sisters are not that much muscular. I would tag some pictures but the forum rules....
A for Eldar, I thougt on Farseers (Taldeer, Macha, idranel) and on Banshees.

Damn, this entire forum is being overrun by slaaneshi cultists!

Where is the Inquisition when we need it the most?!?

I would say that eldars seem to have the less "masculine virility" connotations in this sci-fi universe. Their overall appearance is more subtle, almost feminine. (I'm gonna get quartered by all eldar players for this line...)

Back on topic, I wonder if SoB share the same bond between them than SM. Do they view their canonness as a mother?

Laodamia wrote:

Fafnir wrote:Who would have thought that a fictional universe that is largely focused on the exploits of large, sweaty, grunting manly mans men weilding oversized phallic symbols would have homosexual overtones...

Where did you see a phallic symbol on SM?

I bet coa is right.

He must be possessed by a slaanesh daemon!

Burn the Heretic!

The whole image of SMs -- super tall, hyper muscley, their body image magnified farther by power armour -- is an adolescent dream of exaggerated manly manliness and male power.

The sub-text is so bleeding obvious it hardly counts as sub-text.

Freud would have a field day with GW models and fluff...

This is why I play Tyranids, no freudian subtext.

Mr Nobody wrote:This is why I play Tyranids, no freudian subtext.

You're right, no freudian subtext. Just severe bulimia symptoms.

purplefood wrote:Freud would have a field day with GW models and fluff...

Just remember, if someone has a sword, it's actually phallic imagery. If someone stabs a vampire through the chest with a stake, it's phallic. Someone has a large weapon? Phallic. Am I the only one that thinks that this sort of thinking is ridiculous.

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

purplefood wrote:Freud would have a field day with GW models and fluff...

Just remember, if someone has a sword, it's actually phallic imagery. If someone stabs a vampire through the chest with a stake, it's phallic. Someone has a large weapon? Phallic. Am I the only one that thinks that this sort of thinking is ridiculous.

Be fair to the man he did say "Sometimes a banana is just a banana"
Phallic imagery can be found anywhere but sometimes it does get a bit dodgy...

purplefood wrote:

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

purplefood wrote:Freud would have a field day with GW models and fluff...

Just remember, if someone has a sword, it's actually phallic imagery. If someone stabs a vampire through the chest with a stake, it's phallic. Someone has a large weapon? Phallic. Am I the only one that thinks that this sort of thinking is ridiculous.

Be fair to the man he did say "Sometimes a banana is just a banana"
Phallic imagery can be found anywhere but sometimes it does get a bit dodgy...

Usually it's phallic when it gets on the ridiculous side, like the giant swords in final fantasy and other games, giant guns and swords are compensation. You know what they say, the bigger the gun, the smaller the pistol.

First, I'd like to say, WOW. Didn't expect this thread to take off so quickly. Secondly, it's going off topic to the extreme. It is very appearant that many of you didn't properly understand my meaning when I used the term 'Bromance'. It has nothing to do with homosexual relationships. I'm going off of the first two definitions listed here http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bromance So please forgive me if I unintentionally brought insult with the ambiguousness of my phrasing.
As for all the phallic references, they're seen in almost anything. (no more crimson fisting!)

EmilCrane wrote:I was specifically talking about the Black templars, and in their codex it doesn't say the neophytes do the work of serfs

I don't know what things are like where you are from, but if I'm waiting on someone at banquets, I'd be their serf. Serfs in the other chapters also handle this duty. And IIRC, doesn't they're codex say they have to carry the gear/armor for who they are mentoring with and are responsible for cleaning/upkeep of said equipment?

purplefood wrote:
Be fair to the man he did say "Sometimes a banana is just a banana"
Phallic imagery can be found anywhere but sometimes it does get a bit dodgy...

I haven't read his works, but the interpretation people give to me seems somewhat suspect.

Mr Nobody wrote:Usually it's phallic when it gets on the ridiculous side, like the giant swords in final fantasy and other games, giant guns and swords are compensation. You know what they say, the bigger the gun, the smaller the pistol.

There's no real suggestion of such a thing though. It's just something people say. Large swords were used in real life, albeit they were unlikely to be of the same size as some in fantasy games (like in Final Fantasy), and oversized swords are much more likely to be due to the 'rule of cool' than any phallic symbolism.

Son of Dorn wrote:It is very appearant that many of you didn't properly understand my meaning when I used the term 'Bromance'. It has nothing to do with homosexual relationships.

What do you expect when you use a word that was very recently made up (and a clumsy amalgamation of two already existing words as well)? Yes, Space Marines likely have that sort of relation. It's clear that they love each other at least as much as any real life military unit. They live, fight and die together, and view each other as brothers (as pointed out).

As for all the phallic references, they're seen in almost anything. (no more crimson fisting!)

Only if you choose to see them. I've been told that a scene in Bram Stokers Dracula when a vampire is stabbed through the heart with a stake is phallic. Personally, I'd never have come close to thinking such a thing.

Anything pointy and/or has a violent use can be said to be phallic...

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

Son of Dorn wrote:It is very appearant that many of you didn't properly understand my meaning when I used the term 'Bromance'. It has nothing to do with homosexual relationships.

What do you expect when you use a word that was very recently made up (and a clumsy amalgamation of two already existing words as well)? Yes, Space Marines likely have that sort of relation. It's clear that they love each other at least as much as any real life military unit. They live, fight and die together, and view each other as brothers (as pointed out).

As for all the phallic references, they're seen in almost anything. (no more crimson fisting!)

Only if you choose to see them. I've been told that a scene in Bram Stokers Dracula when a vampire is stabbed through the heart with a stake is phallic. Personally, I'd never have come close to thinking such a thing.

Actually, the term 'bromance' is popular slang where I live and amoungst my friends (as we're all dorks that way) and I didn't really think about it being a relatively new term when I used it.

As for the phallic issue, I think it comes more down to that particular shape being the most effecient for the purpose of thrusting. Whether it's a phallically shaped ship thrusting through atmostphere to get to outer space, a phallically shaped sworth thrusting forward to pierce armor and kill an enemy, or a phallically shaped weapon thrusting a projectile outwards do kill/maim/destroy someone. We see it everywhere because no other shape is as effecienct for conveying kinetic energy to a specific point. Seeking it all out is reading too deeply into it, IMHO.

Son 0f Dorn wrote:First, I'd like to say, WOW. Didn't expect this thread to take off so quickly. Secondly, it's going off topic to the extreme. It is very appearant that many of you didn't properly understand my meaning when I used the term 'Bromance'. It has nothing to do with homosexual relationships. I'm going off of the first two definitions listed here http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bromance So please forgive me if I unintentionally brought insult with the ambiguousness of my phrasing.
As for all the phallic references, they're seen in almost anything. (no more crimson fisting!)

You could have said so earlier. In this universe, it is only Grimdark. If you don't state what you want, the administratum would give you what you do NOT want. Which is probably going to kill you. What if I was an inquisitor? You would be dragged off, tortured and destroyed.

Mr Nobody wrote:This is why I play Tyranids, no freudian subtext.

There's always a Fruedian sub-text

If you play Nids it means you really want to go play popsey with the Mother-in-Law.


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Just seen this thread title:
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see what I mean?

Conservationist wrote:

Son 0f Dorn wrote:First, I'd like to say, WOW. Didn't expect this thread to take off so quickly. Secondly, it's going off topic to the extreme. It is very appearant that many of you didn't properly understand my meaning when I used the term 'Bromance'. It has nothing to do with homosexual relationships. I'm going off of the first two definitions listed here http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bromance So please forgive me if I unintentionally brought insult with the ambiguousness of my phrasing.
As for all the phallic references, they're seen in almost anything. (no more crimson fisting!)

You could have said so earlier. In this universe, it is only Grimdark. If you don't state what you want, the administratum would give you what you do NOT want. Which is probably going to kill you. What if I was an inquisitor? You would be dragged off, tortured and destroyed.

Or made into a member of your retinue for my 'inquisitive' natue?

Son 0f Dorn wrote:Except we see fear/revulsion directed at Techmarines and Librians.

The older brother who picks his nose, smokes weed, and the parents seem to dislike him, but love him deep down

Son 0f Dorn wrote:Black Templar treat neophytes (scouts) as personal servants.

........If it is wrong to make your brother your slave, sue me.

EmilCrane wrote:I was specifically talking about the Black templars, and in their codex it doesn't say the neophytes do the work of serfs

I don't know what things are like where you are from, but if I'm waiting on someone at banquets, I'd be their serf. Serfs in the other chapters also handle this duty. And IIRC, doesn't they're codex say they have to carry the gear/armor for who they are mentoring with and are responsible for cleaning/upkeep of said equipment?

Doop Dude wrote:
- Dreads are the wise old uncles.

And Slaanesh Dreads are that weird uncle who touched you in weird places?

That sums it up fairly well. Had another discussion yesterday with a friend who plays SW. I said I kinda picture them being like the characters in Metalocalypse.
"I totally shot this guy with a missle and he exploded all over.
That's so brutal!"

I would watch a 40k show done in the style of metalocalypse. Would be awesome.

Be perfect for the wolves. Totally oblivious to how they come across. Be hilarious.

It would finally give me a reason to like the Space Wolves.

I could totally imagine an the Manager being an Inquisitor.

Or a Imperial Warmaster trying to get them to help where the guard need it

Fafnir wrote:I would watch a 40k show done in the style of metalocalypse. Would be awesome.

I unreservedly agree.

Tokey would totally be a scout.

Fafnir wrote:

Doop Dude wrote:
- Dreads are the wise old uncles.

And Slaanesh Dreads are that weird uncle who touched you in weird places?

Dread Power Fist. Ka-runch.

Fafnir wrote:

Doop Dude wrote:
- Dreads are the wise old uncles.

And Slaanesh Dreads are that weird uncle who touched you in weird places?

Show us on this newly recruited Slaneesh Marine where the Dread touched you, if it is right he is going venerable

Fafnir wrote:

Doop Dude wrote:
- Dreads are the wise old uncles.

And Slaanesh Dreads are that weird uncle who touched you in weird places?

You forgot and gives you 5 bucks to shut up about it.
Somehow I feel this thread has degenerated into a grimdark pedophiliac thread. The future of pedophilism.

Would Librarians be a little different since they keep the history/secrets of the chapter (with obvious exceptions like DA)

Son 0f Dorn wrote:Would Librarians be a little different since they keep the history/secrets of the chapter (with obvious exceptions like DA)

No one likes Librarians...
They apart from their brothers much like Techmarines.

It's a funny thing, Bromance? No, fraternity No. Ask any one who has served, its comradeship. You mercilessly take the piss out of each other, competiviness, you would share your darkest secrets, ambitions, hopes, aspirations, fears. You talk about anything, everything, you share the triumphs, victories, the defeats, the stress, the fear the hardships, everything absolutely everything. Boot polish, tooth paste, food, water. It is bizarre because outside of the military (standfast maybe the emergency services) you never know the people you work with that well. People I have served with, i could tell you things their mothers wouldn't know. They are not your friends, they are your comrades, Brothers in Arms.

mwnciboo wrote:It's a funny thing, Bromance? No, fraternity No. Ask any one who has served, its comradeship. You mercilessly take the piss out of each other, competiviness, you would share your darkest secrets, ambitions, hopes, aspirations, fears. You talk about anything, everything, you share the triumphs, victories, the defeats, the stress, the fear the hardships, everything absolutely everything. Boot polish, tooth paste, food, water. It is bizarre because outside of the military (standfast maybe the emergency services) you never know the people you work with that well. People I have served with, i could tell you things their mothers wouldn't know. They are not your friends, they are your comrades, Brothers in Arms.

Fully agreed, some people don't know how mad can i be.... my fellow comrades of my company knew it some things are naturally shared with your comrades... unlike in civilian life... you have to serve to undestand many things that other will not

Black Corsair wrote:

mwnciboo wrote:It's a funny thing, Bromance? No, fraternity No. Ask any one who has served, its comradeship. You mercilessly take the piss out of each other, competiviness, you would share your darkest secrets, ambitions, hopes, aspirations, fears. You talk about anything, everything, you share the triumphs, victories, the defeats, the stress, the fear the hardships, everything absolutely everything. Boot polish, tooth paste, food, water. It is bizarre because outside of the military (standfast maybe the emergency services) you never know the people you work with that well. People I have served with, i could tell you things their mothers wouldn't know. They are not your friends, they are your comrades, Brothers in Arms.

Fully agreed, some people don't know how mad can i be.... my fellow comrades of my company knew it some things are naturally shared with your comrades... unlike in civilian life... you have to serve to undestand many things that other will not

It is certainly true for soldiers in our world, but we are talking about SM, in other words, beings that are beyond humanity and that will likely live and fight for hundred of years and face a thousand times more horrors than modern soldiers.
I think their relationship goes beyond pure comradeship.

To you guys that served in the military, how would you imagine your relationship with your brothers in arms after 200 years of service and war?

Laodamia wrote:

Black Corsair wrote:

mwnciboo wrote:It's a funny thing, Bromance? No, fraternity No. Ask any one who has served, its comradeship. You mercilessly take the piss out of each other, competiviness, you would share your darkest secrets, ambitions, hopes, aspirations, fears. You talk about anything, everything, you share the triumphs, victories, the defeats, the stress, the fear the hardships, everything absolutely everything. Boot polish, tooth paste, food, water. It is bizarre because outside of the military (standfast maybe the emergency services) you never know the people you work with that well. People I have served with, i could tell you things their mothers wouldn't know. They are not your friends, they are your comrades, Brothers in Arms.

Fully agreed, some people don't know how mad can i be.... my fellow comrades of my company knew it some things are naturally shared with your comrades... unlike in civilian life... you have to serve to undestand many things that other will not

It is certainly true for soldiers in our world, but we are talking about SM, in other words, beings that are beyond humanity and that will likely live and fight for hundred of years and face a thousand times more horrors than modern soldiers.
I think their relationship goes beyond pure comradeship.

To you guys that served in the military, how would you imagine your relationship with your brothers in arms after 200 years of service and war?

I'm still in service and honestly, if by then they didn't killed me, I'll kill them xD

One can stand so much bikering xDDDDD

SM have also been hypnotically indoctrinated with information and ideals, so I should think this would also change the way they socialize.

I guess it would be like us guys in the army.

We had this discussion one day at work:

Us regular army guys are like a messed up all boys highschool, completely immature and slowed and never ending discussions of female body parts and questionable sex positions.

Rangers are like the jocks... they're just plain slowed and find strength through udder meat-headism.

And Special Forces guys are the obnoxious frat boys that always crash the fething party with their obnoxious shenanigans such as taking Facebook profile pictures whilst clearing a room with 20 flash bangs and unnecessary firepower.

Son 0f Dorn wrote:
Actually, the term 'bromance' is popular slang where I live and amoungst my friends (as we're all dorks that way) and I didn't really think about it being a relatively new term when I used it.

Interesting. I'm sorry for my overreaction. Over here in England, I've never actually heard it used in real life.

As for the phallic issue, I think it comes more down to that particular shape being the most effecient for the purpose of thrusting. Whether it's a phallically shaped ship thrusting through atmostphere to get to outer space, a phallically shaped sworth thrusting forward to pierce armor and kill an enemy, or a phallically shaped weapon thrusting a projectile outwards do kill/maim/destroy someone. We see it everywhere because no other shape is as effecienct for conveying kinetic energy to a specific point. Seeking it all out is reading too deeply into it, IMHO.

Phallic shaped only in a broad sense though. I mean, shapewise, it's actually completely different.

The latter part goes without saying. If you got parts shaped like a sword or a sword shaped like someone's parts, you need some help.

I imagine a lot of high fives during a SM victory

"Bro, did you see me blow up that monolith?"
"It totally rocked!"
*HIGH FIVE*

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Lord_Osma wrote:I imagine a lot of high fives during a SM victory

"Bro, did you see me blow up that monolith?"
"It totally rocked!"
*HIGH FIVE*

Or the bro-fist.

I imagine them to be like Spartans. 'Nuff said.

How about a brotherly headbutt to the forehead? Wait,scratch that, service studs... ouch...

Son 0f Dorn wrote:

Lord_Osma wrote:I imagine a lot of high fives during a SM victory

"Bro, did you see me blow up that monolith?"
"It totally rocked!"
*HIGH FIVE*

Or the bro-fist.

Yeah, imagine power-fist hive-five

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

purplefood wrote:Freud would have a field day with GW models and fluff...

Just remember, if someone has a sword, it's actually phallic imagery. If someone stabs a vampire through the chest with a stake, it's phallic. Someone has a large weapon? Phallic. Am I the only one that thinks that this sort of thinking is ridiculous.

I wonder more about people who see imaginary penises in everything than the designers who put big weapons on space marines.

Son 0f Dorn wrote:

Lord_Osma wrote:I imagine a lot of high fives during a SM victory

"Bro, did you see me blow up that monolith?"
"It totally rocked!"
*HIGH FIVE*

Or the bro-fist.

This is why I tell Space Marine players that they have to take a armor save after they win a game because the idiot with a powerfist was going around high-fiving his buddies.

Mentat wrote:

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

purplefood wrote:Freud would have a field day with GW models and fluff...

Just remember, if someone has a sword, it's actually phallic imagery. If someone stabs a vampire through the chest with a stake, it's phallic. Someone has a large weapon? Phallic. Am I the only one that thinks that this sort of thinking is ridiculous.

I wonder more about people who see imaginary penises in everything than the designers who put big weapons on space marines.

In the case of Space Marines, who are GW's flagship and most marketed iconic figure, an image that presents an incredibly masculine image (which can easily be sold to imasculated teenagers), yes, imaginary penises are everywhere.

Sex sells, and it's not nearly as overt as you think it is.

Fafnir wrote:

Mentat wrote:

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

purplefood wrote:Freud would have a field day with GW models and fluff...

Just remember, if someone has a sword, it's actually phallic imagery. If someone stabs a vampire through the chest with a stake, it's phallic. Someone has a large weapon? Phallic. Am I the only one that thinks that this sort of thinking is ridiculous.

I wonder more about people who see imaginary penises in everything than the designers who put big weapons on space marines.

In the case of Space Marines, who are GW's flagship and most marketed iconic figure, an image that presents an incredibly masculine image (which can easily be sold to imasculated teenagers), yes, imaginary penises are everywhere.

Sex sells, and it's not nearly as overt as you think it is.

Covert sex?

Son 0f Dorn wrote:

Lord_Osma wrote:I imagine a lot of high fives during a SM victory

"Bro, did you see me blow up that monolith?"
"It totally rocked!"
*HIGH FIVE*

Or the bro-fist.

Does the bro fist TRIPLE your strength to a maximum of AWESOME!?!?


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Dark Apostle 666 wrote:How about a brotherly headbutt to the forehead? Wait,scratch that, service studs... ouch...

Service studs grant +1 attack in close combat to an un-helmeted character.

purplefood wrote:

Fafnir wrote:

Mentat wrote:

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

purplefood wrote:Freud would have a field day with GW models and fluff...

Just remember, if someone has a sword, it's actually phallic imagery. If someone stabs a vampire through the chest with a stake, it's phallic. Someone has a large weapon? Phallic. Am I the only one that thinks that this sort of thinking is ridiculous.

I wonder more about people who see imaginary penises in everything than the designers who put big weapons on space marines.

In the case of Space Marines, who are GW's flagship and most marketed iconic figure, an image that presents an incredibly masculine image (which can easily be sold to imasculated teenagers), yes, imaginary penises are everywhere.

Sex sells, and it's not nearly as overt as you think it is.

Covert sex?

That sounds pretty hot. It also sounds like the name of a porno.