The rumour is wrong.








It will be Ultramarines vs. Ultramarines.

AND THAT'S A WRAP FELLAS.

Witch Hunters VS Nurgle Daemons, Eldar VS DA, BT VS CSM... one of those 3.

Kanluwen wrote:But hey--let's face it. Right now, the rumors are maddeningly vague.

I don't see why: it's pretty safe to assume that "sons of Guilliman" also covers everything that looks just like the sons of Guilliman, plus a paletteswap is hardly worth describing as "potentially earth shattering".

That leaves Sisters of Battle, Grey Knights, Chaos Space Marines, Daemons, and maybe Space Wolves. Unless they're reintroducing something like the Adeptus Mechanicus or Lost and the Damned, that's it.

Out of those armies, if it was up to me I'd go with SoB vs. Cultists lead by CSM in Mk 3-5 armour.

You can't "reintroduce" something that was never an army proper--like the Adeptus Mechanicus and the Lost+Damned.

Pan Fo vs. CSM

They will be reviled.

I've not really got much faith in what it is gonna be. I'm hoping its something really new like Ordo Hereticus/Sisters of Battle vs Cult of Khorne (Heretics with 2-5 CSM) Though it'll probably turn out to be Marines of some kind vs CSM.

What I'd love to see is a little insert in it that advertises the other armies of the game; so we get people that branch out from space marines into other armies.

Kanluwen wrote:

Alpharius wrote:Yeah, because I'm sure The Novamarines or maybe The Sons of Guilliman were THIS close to making the cut.

Sometimes, Kan...

Imperial Fists, Dark Angels, Iron Hands, Raven Guard, and more='Codex' Marines.

So wrong... so very wrong.

BA or SW or BT... IF Marines are in.

And really, they probably are.

As for their foe...

Anyway, this is so vague, and so far away, and so subject to change, and so probably wrong, I am tempted to close this or move it to a more appropriate part of the forum.

As Skrulnik pointed out though: Blood Angels have been in a starter box, and so have Black Templars.

That's very not "earth-shattering" if they just reuse them, y'know?

GWs idea of earth shattering is really off. I dont exactly take those words from them as I would from other sources.

It's not GW putting forward the statement of "earth-shattering" though.

It's Blood of Kittens. So it's either extreme hyperbole and they're just hoping to generate more interest in their site...or there will be something earth-shattering happening.

For the most part, I'd guess the first part.

BoK likes to make a lot of fuss about not much. Presumably to get ad revenue or something. I'm glad I have adblock and noscript on their awfully formatted site.

Their recent "Q&A" for the GK book that they hyped up so much was terrible. They literally just read a stream of questions, and answered them in vague ways in a giant list, without saying what the answer applies to, with no punctuation and terrible grammar. It was seriously embarrassing.

its going to be TAU I know it !! its a curve ball they are throwing

So Ill mark my calender, maybe if its a big enough revamp Ill get into it. I hate the current edition.

So they're going for a new edition ever 4 years now then? How broken must their rules be that they have to constantly rehash them? It's so cynical, constantly reinventing the wheel to get people to buy all the books again.

I can't believe they will release an edition of 40K without a fist full of Marines in the box. They always do space marines. They might not be blue, but there will be Marines.

”By the end of the next Olympics we will treated to 6th ed Warhammer 40k”
Now that is something that people that follow GW trends have suspected for awhile. So really that is not that earth shattering. What makes 6thed potentially earth shattering is the version of AoBR we will get. For the first time ever neither Xenos, the Warriors of Roboute Guilliman, or the Sledgehammer of the Emperor will be chosen to fill the starter box.

So its again a AoBR style starter set.
Thus, to ornate or highly detailed models are out or GW got soo good at it we have to pay accordingly...

No xenos rules out any non-human based race,
the other two may rule out the IG and codex marines.

So CSM are left ( who got no rumor about any upcoming update and could be a 6th ed release ).
And?
Sisters would be to detailed to fit, demons are unlikely and the earth shattering could be ..... M.Wards contract ends with 5th ed....
So lets introduce the 3rd missing faction of the IoM ---- the cogboys from Mars. A bit mechanical but partially human.

Howard A Treesong wrote:So they're going for a new edition ever 4 years now then? How broken must their rules be that they have to constantly rehash them? It's so cynical, constantly reinventing the wheel to get people to buy all the books again.

I can't believe they will release an edition of 40K without a fist full of Marines in the box. They always do space marines. They might not be blue, but there will be Marines.

Something doesn't need to be broken to "constantly rehash" the item in question.

I mean, Apple just released a new iPad on Friday.

People bought the damned thing out.

Was the iPad really that new/broken that it needed an 'iPad 2' now?

Kanluwen wrote:People bought the damned thing out.

Was the iPad really that new/broken that it needed an 'iPad 2' now?

Hardly a fair comparison. Presumably the technology has improved to make it worthwhile releasing another model to the public because they could not have offered it some years ago. It's not like the old ipads are rendered useless or that they won't be available for sale either. Actually older models will become cheaper but still be available.

Can GW claim the same? No because the basic contents of the box are the same, plastic men might be a better quality but the text of the rules does not need to change for any reason at all. Unless they really haven't managed to get it right after several editions. There's nothing written in the 6th edition rules that could not have been offered in the 5th or 4th. They only are re-releasing the game because it suits them to do so, not because of any step forward in wargames design or technology or in the construction of the english language that means they can genuinely offer something in a new rules set they couldn't have done so before. They've had plenty of goes. Furthermore by re-releasing the game they make all the older books obsolete by ceasing their printing, sale and any official support in stores or at their events and tournaments, that doesn't happen with ipods or ipads.

I remember when they went from 4th to 5th edition Fantasy, most army books were carried across because the rules hardly changed, merely tweaked a few things. They said in white dwarf "why fix what isn't broke". Why indeed. But that didn't stop them inventing it three more times to take us to 8th edition. They just see re-releasing the rules as a means for a cash injection and new cycles of codex releases.

It may not be a 'fair' comparison, but it's not exactly the worst.

They're playing off the brand power, not the technology. They're also playing off the "It's new!" factor.

Kanluwen wrote:As Skrulnik pointed out though: Blood Angels have been in a starter box, and so have Black Templars.

That's very not "earth-shattering" if they just reuse them, y'know?

No they haven't. Artwork with them in it appeared on the front. The Marines in both 2nd and 3rd were bog standard.

Mr Proudhoof wrote:I like the idea of Squats vs Necrons. I don't think Daemons would make it into the boxset, as then GW would kinda be giving out a dual purpose 40k army / Fantasy army in one box.

Chaos Space Marines would be good too. Maybe they could fight Squats. It doesn't look as cool as Squats vs Necrons though.

Maybe there will be a brand new army in the box? They've done that before......

I just had a funny picture of a legless necron slap fighting a squat.


New race would be cool. Intergalactic Mercenaries with slaugh, umbra, lizardmen, slann and hrud and the other aliens would be cool.

If they do end up doing chaos, which god will be the feature? All four, or just one? It'll be interesting to see as I know of many players, such as myself, who run god specific lists.

Wulfenone wrote:its going to be TAU I know it !! its a curve ball they are throwing

Can't be. No xenos.

There's only a few armies that aren't xenos or spaz marines or guard, so we are left with two highly possible candidates:

CSM and sisters.

and Squats! (They descended from humans)

juraigamer wrote:

Wulfenone wrote:its going to be TAU I know it !! its a curve ball they are throwing

Can't be. No xenos.

There's only a few armies that aren't xenos or spaz marines or guard, so we are left with two highly possible candidates:

CSM and sisters.

Sisters="spaz marines" for all intents and purposes.

P.S. there's a third option you left off.

Daemons.

juraigamer wrote:

Wulfenone wrote:its going to be TAU I know it !! its a curve ball they are throwing

Can't be. No xenos.

There's only a few armies that aren't xenos or spaz marines or guard, so we are left with two highly possible candidates:

CSM and sisters.

Considering SoB will be getting a new codex around the same time if not sooner, I wouldn't be surprised. Both armies are in dire need of an update and the SoB are already in the works.

Kanluwen wrote:
Sisters="spaz marines" for all intents and purposes.

No no, sisters are sista marines.

I highly doubt demons, especially with grey knights coming. No one really wants to start an army that is going to face something geared to kill your stuff, though a new demons codex might fix that.

it will be

Pan fo vs Pan fo

skkipper wrote:it will be

Pan fo(with Squat Allies) vs Fishmen(with Fimir Allies)

Fixed.

"Earthshaking"? The trygon shakes earth, or so I'm told.

The only thing that I can think of that needs fixing in 5th edition is the fleet rule. With run added, fleet doesn't make you faster. It makes you slightly better if you suck at shooting and you want to get into assault quickly. *cough* vespids?*cough* Clearly someone wasn't thinking about that one.

As for who it will be: Definitely SM. I'd hazard a guess at Dark Angels, as they're dangerously close to not following good ol' Rowboat Gilly-man, and are generally a bunch of masochistic, self-hating asses. In power armour. Don't get me wrong, I love them, but they might not qualify as the Smurfs previously mentioned. The enemy? Anyone's guess.

2nd ed was Orks and BA
3rd ed was BT and DE
4th ed was Ultras and Tyranids
5th ed is Ultras again and Orks are back
so adding no xenos/guard/speehs mareehns. That could give us CSM-Chaos Daemons-GK.... Stupid selection for a beginner to go into this universe, I would give it to one of these selections:

CSM vs eldar would be my first choice

DE could come back vs Guard

SM (I would RAGEFAYC if its BA but also shouldn't be ultrasmurfs) vs Necrons or Tau.

I like 5th I hope they only tweak it slightly.

MDizzle wrote:I like 5th I hope they only tweak it slightly.

Whether we like 5th edition or not is inconsequential to GW. Changes are going to be such that make us buy as many models as possible. Now, the only question is, will they make vehicles even better than they are now so everyone will have 15-16 tanks in 1750 points, or will they decide that people have bought all the vehicles they need and nerf them to the ground so we have to shelve all our tanks and buy something else entirely.

I can't imagine daemons going into the starter kit. What a way to introduce the game to a kids parents by giving them a box full of little daemons! Parents will be thrilled that they think their little perfect children are getting into witchcraft and demon worship. Remember the stink over harry potter? ^3

It's probably going to be SM vs CSM kinda seems logical

Imagine... Squats vs Cultists. Will never happen but an oldschooler can dream though ...

I dont know if its been said, but Necrons, with a codex release around the corner, are a very potential candidate.

Therion wrote:

MDizzle wrote:I like 5th I hope they only tweak it slightly.

Whether we like 5th edition or not is inconsequential to GW. Changes are going to be such that make us buy as many models as possible. Now, the only question is, will they make vehicles even better than they are now so everyone will have 15-16 tanks in 1750 points, or will they decide that people have bought all the vehicles they need and nerf them to the ground so we have to shelve all our tanks and buy something else entirely.

It's the HQ and Elites' turn to shine again, I think. Plenty of plastic kits still to be done in that section, too.

Definitely time for elites to shine, but I don't know about the HQ

Now hear me out on this one, and then tear me down if you think i have lost the plot.

If GW were clever they wouldn't included SM in the 6th Edition? WHAT i hear you cry! Well SM's are the Lead poster boys and are a Cash Cow for GW. People who want SM (and there are lot of people who do!) will pay for them. However some percentage of people will get one of the two army's included with 6th edition and think "Hold on, i've got 50% of army here, i know I like SM's but maybe if i grab a few daemons, hey hey I have another Army". SM's have sold and will continue to sell well, you need to beef up the up take on other armies and lines to broaden your product lines and return to profitability.

juraigamer wrote:

Wulfenone wrote:its going to be TAU I know it !! its a curve ball they are throwing

Can't be. No xenos.

There's only a few armies that aren't xenos or spaz marines or guard, so we are left with two highly possible candidates:

CSM and sisters.

I can't imagine GW putting out a starter set with a girl army. The game is principally marketed at 12 year old boys.

Actually I can imagine it because so much of GW's marketing is nonsense that they would do it.

mwnciboo wrote:Now hear me out on this one, and then tear me down if you think i have lost the plot.

If GW were clever they wouldn't included SM in the 6th Edition? WHAT i hear you cry! Well SM's are the Lead poster boys and are a Cash Cow for GW. People who want SM (and there are lot of people who do!) will pay for them. However some percentage of people will get one of the two army's included with 6th edition and think "Hold on, i've got 50% of army here, i know I like SM's but maybe if i grab a few daemons, hey hey I have another Army". SM's have sold and will continue to sell well, you need to beef up the up take on other armies and lines to broaden your product lines and return to profitability.

To good to be GW marketing...
But preferrable improvement.

Kilkrazy wrote:

I can't imagine GW putting out a starter set with a girl army. The game is principally marketed at 12 year old boys.

Actually I can imagine it because so much of GW's marketing is nonsense that they would do it.

THe Hobby encompasses the whole of mankind, so expanding to girls wouldn't be a unexpected move.

Why not broaden the customer base? videogames thrive upon more than a limited group of humans....

We have definitely seen a shift in the video games industry in the last 10 years to be more inclusive to a female and family audience.. Wii anyone?

Will GW follow this? (WARNING SHOCKING GENERALISATION ALERT) Only goth Girls, Emo's and unconventional girls like 40K. Most girls are interested in getting an older man, buy clothes, shopping and socialising establishing yourself in a heiracrchy or peers (because those things are hardwired into our animal psyche). Unlikely GW will successfully capitolise on this, unless they come up with a TAU game based around working together to give an Ork a make over to raise their self esteem and gain social acceptance. That said,
if hello Kitty 40k gets released all bets are off.

I wouldn't say that adolescent gamers are not interested in females
But as GW seems to think until today that men and women have the same hip form (current Dark Eldar by Jes Goodwin), you probably couldn't tell male and female GW miniatures apart

It must be titan versus titan in a box that would be pretty earthshaking.

I would be happy with Space Wolves versus Thousand Sons. I'm not thrilled by marines versus marines, but that would be a pretty cool boxed set. Here's hoping they release the CSM codex to give the legions some more substance soon. Not all of us want to play a Black Legion army.

How well has Island of Blood done for new High Elf and Skaven armies?

Myabe GW is thinking, well we put two of the 'lesser' forces in Fantasy and they sold a load, who needs a boost in 40K.

Going on that my hopes would be Sisters V's CSM or Daemons.

Most Likely it'll be Blood Angels (well they're not Ultra's or normal Space Marines) v's Black Legion.

Sisters don't "need a boost" in 40k. They've sold continually well over the years, in spite of a supposedly "terrible" Codex and being metal models.

Skaven and High Elves weren't any of their 'lesser' forces in Fantasy by far. You'd have had a point if it was Wood Elves versus Beasts of Chaos or maybe Bretonnia versus Khemri--but High Elves/Skaven were definitely not hurting in terms of rules or army representation.

Plus, I said it once before and I'll say it again:
If you're going to try for the 'boobs sell' angle--you wouldn't be using an army that wears full body armor for most of their units, nor an army where the women are definitely not 'pretty' by any standard.

Aye lesser was probably the wrong word, but I don't think Skaven or High Elves where what anyone was expecting for Fantasy. High Elves maybe. I suppose.

I'm just after something more interesting. I'm trying to think of armies who's codex isn't probably due an update before late summer next year, and could make do with some new plastics.

CSM does seem very likely on that basis, of course my thinking is probably flawed, but thats what Orks seemed to gain with AOBR.

Love it it it had Tau as one of the races. Always wanted to start the army and if I got a mini rulebook with them it would be a good excuse.

Why are people buying these rumours whole heartedly? Does blood of kittens work at GW headquaters or something?

nevertellmetheodds wrote:Why are people buying these rumours whole heartedly? Does blood of kittens work at GW headquaters or something?

No, but this man does.

Luco wrote: Remember the stink over harry potter? ^3

Only in America....

But seriously, it is a money making exercise... the rules will be altered to sell more miniatures and the new rule book, whether 5th edition is liked or not GW will shaft everbody in order to increase profit. I like 5th edition, and unless the changes are radical, will probably like 6th too but I can't abide the change for profits sake nature of GW...

Can't do anything but agree here, sound logic. I know, I know; "On the interdweebs?!" The theory on elites and HQs being the new hotness sounds decent as there is a historical backing for HeroHammer, however I think they would have to put up some LUSH hero kits to make up for nerfed vehicle sales. IF they went for hero/elitehammer, and didnt nerf other things in the codex, however, it could easily cut game time by a wide margin. Shorter games make for larger games. Larger games make for greater all-around sales. It will all come down to the alpha strike and who can get their shots in first. Christ I hope that isnt the way of things to come.

Therion wrote:

MDizzle wrote:I like 5th I hope they only tweak it slightly.

Whether we like 5th edition or not is inconsequential to GW. Changes are going to be such that make us buy as many models as possible. Now, the only question is, will they make vehicles even better than they are now so everyone will have 15-16 tanks in 1750 points, or will they decide that people have bought all the vehicles they need and nerf them to the ground so we have to shelve all our tanks and buy something else entirely.

Nightwatch wrote:

nevertellmetheodds wrote:Why are people buying these rumours whole heartedly? Does blood of kittens work at GW headquaters or something?

No, but this man does.

Sometimes, we don't appreciate what we have until we've lost it.

phillosmaster wrote:It must be titan versus titan in a box that would be pretty earthshaking.

I would be happy with Space Wolves versus Thousand Sons. I'm not thrilled by marines versus marines, but that would be a pretty cool boxed set. Here's hoping they release the CSM codex to give the legions some more substance soon. Not all of us want to play a Black Legion army.

Current CSm Codex is not a "Black Legion" army. That was the previous one. Current CSM is a "Red Corsairs" army with a side order of Gav Thorpe.

You mean Alessio Cavatore.

He's come out repeatedly to say that "Gav just put himself out there" as the target for the hate, and that it was Alessio's ideas.

Howard A Treesong wrote:So they're going for a new edition ever 4 years now then? How broken must their rules be that they have to constantly rehash them? It's so cynical, constantly reinventing the wheel to get people to buy all the books again.

Well I wouldn't call them broken, but IMO 5th edition sucks in many ways. So from my prospective a complete and total rehash is needed. Whatever they do to it they cant change it too much, as it needs to still work with the latest codexes. This also means Im likely to not be swayed as they will likely not change the parts I dont like.

In general the game doesnt need a new edition, plenty of people still play it. GW prices are driving off more players than the rules. However, from a business prospective it does need a new version every few years. Its the best way to sell more products. Current players will scramble for the new book, and maybe people like me who dont like the current version will be brought back in by some changes. It also gives tham a reason to rehype some of the older models to bring in more sales.

Remember GW is a purely profit driven company...any love for the hobby they had was lost years ago. Its only about money.

My guess...

The battlion boxes are going to be updated and include the 6th edition rules and a getting started pamplet for that particular army. You will still need to buy a codex for said army, but players will be able to pick the army they want to start and get a copy of the rules.

grizgrin wrote:Can't do anything but agree here, sound logic. I know, I know; "On the interdweebs?!" The theory on elites and HQs being the new hotness sounds decent as there is a historical backing for HeroHammer, however I think they would have to put up some LUSH hero kits to make up for nerfed vehicle sales. IF they went for hero/elitehammer, and didnt nerf other things in the codex, however, it could easily cut game time by a wide margin. Shorter games make for larger games. Larger games make for greater all-around sales. It will all come down to the alpha strike and who can get their shots in first. Christ I hope that isnt the way of things to come.

Plausible.

A return to a more skirmish level game with smaller armies (and lower relative cost per army) would also allow people to collect more armies. Something more like the scale of early 40k editions, but with all the special powers and hoopla of current editions.

Like you said, more hero kits, say along the lines of the CSM T Lord and SM commander, would replace large scale vehicle kit sales. Maybe with a bit more customizing options in the kits. Another smart idea, as those kits are cheaper and easier to make, ship, and stock than larger vehicles.

If typical army composition of a HQ, 1/2 troops, 1/2 elites or SC would make the game smaller and armies cheaper to collect. This would help draw in more players. Sticker shock might still be there for the kits, but the need for less of them to play the game would ease it. It would also be encouraging to people to do multiple armies.

A good indication of the possibility of them going hero/elitehammer is the latest kits out. Look at all the bits and options in things like the Wolf Guard and GK terminator boxes. The new GK PA marines are also pretty optioned up. The description of the GK brother-Captain also hints at a bunch of options in that kit too.

Id be quite interested if they went along those lines.


They could do a minor rehash of Apoc and move most of the vehicles and large numbers of more low end troops to that.

This is no big surprise, as they're keeping the trend of every four years with a new rule set. Next year October is where I'll place my money when we see sixth. Here's to hoping they make str 5 and less defensive weapons again.

CSM in a starter set?

My heart just skipped a beat.

Here's hoping that CSM also gets a 6th edition update early on

Kanluwen wrote:You mean Alessio Cavatore.

He's come out repeatedly to say that "Gav just put himself out there" as the target for the hate, and that it was Alessio's ideas.

I consider Allessio Thorpe Gavatore to be one composite beast made of equal parts "Bad", "Derp" and "Jervis".

Seriously? 5th edition hasn't even been around for 3 years yet... IMO rumors relating to 6th edition are completely unfounded.

oni wrote:Seriously? 5th edition hasn't even been around for 3 years yet... IMO rumors relating to 6th edition are completely unfounded.

I'd like to believe that too. Unfortunately, GW seems to think that cranking out new and mostly unnecessary editions every few years is a better way to make money than putting the work into a solid, enduring system and updating tired old models and codices made invalid by the dreaded creep.

Yeah, thats how I'm looking at it. Hasn't it nearly been two years for a new edition now for the last four releases?

Need to go look that up.

Ya space marines vs chaos space marines would make a nice box set

Yep, and near enough for the two editions previous as well.

40K 3rd 1998
Fantasy 6th 2000
40K 4th 2004
Fantasy 7th 2006
40K 5th 2008
Fantasy 8th 2010

Tau versus Chaos Space Marines


You heard it here first, folks

Vladsimpaler wrote:Tau versus Chaos Space Marines


You heard it here first, folks

Assuming the rumour is true there will not be any xenos. Though it is a bad idea to belive such an early rumour.

I believe they wil place xenos on the box. My bet is CSM vs Eldar.
Maybe they try a "big Space Marines box" and come with CSM vs Marines (pretty Marine army in a box)
I dont believe they would make a GK vs something, cause that would mean "cheap" Gk, and they dont want that...

I could care less what's in the starter box.

Please, oh please don't feth up the rules!!

They are great now, just make some minor, minor changes. Don't feth up a good thing, GW!!!!!

CSM. Funny you should mention that.
I was up at nottingham gs this weekend and while they are all raving about Grey knights and the current / pending easter push of a GK storyline event planned , I overheard a conversation in bugmans that related to CSM and that new models were been planned.

yummy

I don't care that much about the starter; the only thing I'd like to see is a ground-up rebuilding of the rules. Miniature gaming has changed a lot since 40k was born, and I'd like to see the game reflect that. Also, if the BRB is $74 or something, I may just starting looking at WM or Malifaux (Not that I'm gonna sell my Space Marines...).

Hans Chung-Otterson wrote:I don't care that much about the starter; the only thing I'd like to see is a ground-up rebuilding of the rules. Miniature gaming has changed a lot since 40k was born, and I'd like to see the game reflect that.

It does.

5th is absolutely nothing like 1st or 2nd, and barely resembles 3rd.

I guess what I really mean is: I'd like to see turns be "I activate a unit, you activate a unit, I activate a unit..." rather than IGOUGO.

I think I'd rather have it Player 1 moves, Player 2 moves, Player 1 shoots, etc

Don't count on it. That is such a fundamental change that it would require all codecies to be rewritten.

Also, alternate squad activation games take much longer than IGOUGO systems. A game of 40K using the size armies we use now would take several hours longer to play.

I like the system as it is. The rules are excellent now, and only minor changes are needed to tune it up, IMO.

I wouldn't mind a supplement for small sized games with alternate unit activation, but for the core rules, the game kicks butt now.

That actually makes sense from a $$$ perspective. Make it hero/elitehammer, nerf other options, and encourage more multi-army collections to further boost hero sales. Still shorten up game time as well. Huh.

Mad4Minis wrote:

grizgrin wrote:Can't do anything but agree ...Christ I hope that isnt the way of things to come.

Plausible.

A return to a more skirmish level game with smaller armies (and lower relative cost per army) would also allow people to collect more armies. Something more like the scale of early 40k editions, but with all the special powers and hoopla of current editions.

Like you said, more hero kits, say along the lines of the CSM T Lord and SM commander, would replace large scale vehicle kit sales. Maybe with a bit more customizing options in the kits. Another smart idea, as those kits are cheaper and easier to make, ship, and stock than larger vehicles.

If typical army composition of a HQ, 1/2 troops, 1/2 elites or SC would make the game smaller and armies cheaper to collect. This would help draw in more players. Sticker shock might still be there for the kits, but the need for less of them to play the game would ease it. It would also be encouraging to people to do multiple armies.

A good indication of the possibility of them going hero/elitehammer is the latest kits out. Look at all the bits and options in things like the Wolf Guard and GK terminator boxes. The new GK PA marines are also pretty optioned up. The description of the GK brother-Captain also hints at a bunch of options in that kit too.

Id be quite interested if they went along those lines.


They could do a minor rehash of Apoc and move most of the vehicles and large numbers of more low end troops to that.

ZhufortheImpaler wrote:The crystal ball tells me it could be

NECRONS vs IG

That would be refreshing

Hans Chung-Otterson wrote:I guess what I really mean is: I'd like to see turns be "I activate a unit, you activate a unit, I activate a unit..." rather than IGOUGO.

This was tested by GW in the runup to Codex: Cityfight and they ultimately found it cumbersome. I'd be surprised if they implemented it now.

Fetterkey wrote:

Hans Chung-Otterson wrote:I guess what I really mean is: I'd like to see turns be "I activate a unit, you activate a unit, I activate a unit..." rather than IGOUGO.

This was tested by GW in the runup to Codex: Cityfight and they ultimately found it cumbersome. I'd be surprised if they implemented it now.

They found it cumbersome, yet many, many other games use it to great effect. Often these games play faster (and in my opinion cleaner) than the current edition of 40K as well.

Honestly, I'm not expecting any great changes. The game has barely changed at all since 3rd edition.

Considering 5th edition has been incredibly popular (no idea of numbers/dollars etc but I suspect its the most successful edition they have done) I just expect to see a continuation of the same design ethos that has been dominate since 5th arrived. I certainly don't expect them to start altering the core mechanics of the game by changing to activation style game or anything along those lines. 5th edition is a totally different game to 4th, and orders of magnitude different again from 3rd and 2nd. The most basic mechanics of the game are still mostly the game (use of dice, turn structure etc) but they are what make Warhammer Warhammer.

I expect to see some streamlining of the wound allocation rules and possibly some minor tweaks to things like the vehicle damage rules/charts and combat res. The most notable change I'm expecting (well hoping) to see is an overhaul of the outdated Force Organisation Chart to a combined percentage + limits based system similar to Fantasy. This would serve a dual purpose of allowing the game to scale more effectively both for lower point beginners games and larger tournament level games (and beyond) while also eliminating some of the spam aspects of the game (as you wouldn't be able to totally overload on duplicate units). I also wouldn't be surprised to see an integration of Apocalypse into the main 40k ruleset as well as proper rules for fliers (which have showed up in every codex since IG so its certainly heading that way).

Starter set wise I could understand if Nilla Marines don't make it in, but would be very surprised if there is no power armour based army. Its almost guaranteed that its going to be Imperial "Good Guys"' vs Xenos "Bad Guys" (from a thematic point of view if nothing else, its important from a sales POV when doing demo games for potential players), but they could do something more unusual like Eldar or Tau vs Chaos Marines. However its very hard to make any kind of prediction on this, while the likes of Eldar, Tau, Necons, Sisters and Chaos are all in the line for getting an update there is nothing to suggest that the contents of the starter set will have any relation to the codices expected to be updated around that time.

”By the end of the next Olympics we will treated to 6th ed Warhammer 40k”
Now that is something that people that follow GW trends have suspected for awhile. So really that is not that earth shattering. What makes 6thed potentially earth shattering is the version of AoBR we will get. For the first time ever neither Xenos, the Warriors of Roboute Guilliman, or the Sledgehammer of the Emperor will be chosen to fill the starter box.

Xenos=Eldar, Dark Eldar (All them pointy ear bastards are Xenos), Ork, Nids

Xenos maybe=necrons, maybe not? Are Necrons Xenos?

Warriors of Guilliman undeniably means codex marines, Dark Angels, and Blood Angels as all of their chapters are set up under Guilliman's rules. Some people are saying it doesn't apply to Black Templars, but if it doesn't apply to black templars because of how they are organized then it doesn't apply to space wolves or grey knights either.

Sledgehammer of the Emperor=IG

That only leaves Chaos Deamons, Chaos space marines, and Sisters of battle as 100% kosher under those rules. With a more liberal interpretation of warriors of Guilliman it could also include grey knights, black templars, or space wolves.

I don't see them doing CSM versus another MEQ army. 2 MEQ armies=boring starter box. The 2 armies need to be very different.

My personal bet is Sisters versus Chaos space marines as they will probably be the 2 most recently released armies when 6th ed comes out. Also it's one of the most dramatic combinations of armies for making cool artwork for the box cover.

Reecius wrote:I could care less what's in the starter box.

Please, oh please don't frack up the rules!!

They are great now, just make some minor, minor changes. Don't frack up a good thing, GW!!!!!

+1 to this. 5th ed is fantastic. It took about a year for us all to adjust... but this is a great edition.

I do however want to see them redo fantasy... 9th edition may come out in 2012 to help with the fact fantasy sales have dropped all over the US


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oh yea... and Blood of Kittens is an aweful site where people just bitch alot. Not worth reading and horribly set up

It makes a lot of sense for SoB and CSM to be in the next starter box. Aren't they the two armies with the most metal models (in SoB case, the ENTIRE army is metal), and haven't received any new kits in years?

AresX8 wrote:It makes a lot of sense for SoB and CSM to be in the next starter box. Aren't they the two armies with the most metal models (in SoB case, the ENTIRE army is metal), and haven't received any new kits in years?

I'm sitting here now painting my sisters again... only the rhino/immo kit is plastic... the exorcists is half plastic half metal....

I'd like to see him redone in plastic for sure... but it'd be sisters vs marines...

AresX8 wrote:It makes a lot of sense for SoB and CSM to be in the next starter box. Aren't they the two armies with the most metal models (in SoB case, the ENTIRE army is metal), and haven't received any new kits in years?

Gw doesn't like metal models. They are harder to stock, more difficult to work with for the consumer, and most importantly blister packs are easier to steal from a store. Plastics are better for gw's bottom line.

here's a though (which may have already been voiced):

what was the rumor mill saying prior to the release of AOBR? how many folks were predicting Orks and Marines?

my money is on 1 (and only 1) MEQ army (i HOPE it's CSM...) and one non-MEQ army. Guard would be nice, but i don't see how they could pull that off without including a vehicle, which i don't see happening. Sisters would be nice, and offer a good contrast to CSM, but there is the issue of level of detail. though, the AOBR, IOB and Space Hulk box sets have shown that a pretty good bit of detail can be achieved in plastics alone.

time alone will tell...

-C6

Reecius wrote:Don't count on it. That is such a fundamental change that it would require all codecies to be rewritten.

Also, alternate squad activation games take much longer than IGOUGO systems. A game of 40K using the size armies we use now would take several hours longer to play.

I like the system as it is. The rules are excellent now, and only minor changes are needed to tune it up, IMO.

I wouldn't mind a supplement for small sized games with alternate unit activation, but for the core rules, the game kicks butt now.

I agree, 5th Ed. is the strongest we've seen. Some minor changes I would like to see;

Emergency Disembark to carry over to the next player turn or worded (During the owning player's next turn, the unit that emergency disembarked is immediately pinned)
Give Walkers a stomp feature---D3 auto-hits to a non-IC unit in HTH (Still need to roll against IC as normal)
Make any unit placed in reserve have the ability to outflank====units that do so add a +1 to their reserve roll. If a unit already has the outflank ability, they may choose the side they wish to enter when they arrive.
Change the missions a bit-----make it Primary/Secondary/Tertiary already with Kill Points always being Secondary. Make Spearhead only have a 8" measure from middle instead of 12".
To score an objective--the unit scoring must be out of the vehicle it's in. Empty vehicles NEVER contest objectives.
Weight Kill Points based on FOC----make any dedicated transport worth the same number of kill points of the unit it carries

I'm going to go with Adeptus Mechanicus versus Chaos Space Marines.

What a better way to kick off a new edition than a new army and a Chaos crusade on a forgeworld for the starter set (Mars?).

At least, this is what I hope for.

There is no way Sisters will be in a starter box. When my brother and I started playing 40K back in second edition, I got to be the Space Marines because I was older, and he got stuck with Orks. No kid wants to get stuck with the girl army. And, Sisters vs Chaos? Make it Sisters vs Slaanesh and you have parents staring at a box of guns and titties- not a good purchase decision for little Johnny.

I'm going for Sisters vs CSM.

If i'm going to ignore the 'no xenos' rumour, then i'd also throw out these pairings:

Eldar vs Tau (Unusual pairing, but there haven't been any recorded conflicts between these two yet IIRC)

Eldar vs CSM (Both Codices need an update)

Eldar vs Necrons (A conflict that harks back to times long past)

CSM vs Tau (Like Eldar, we haven't heard much about these two meeting each other. Maybe it's time for the Chaos Gods to meet the miniature blip they've been ignoring on their radar)

Tau vs Necrons (We can re-enact the party scene, complete with streamers, cake and gauss flayers!)

CSM vs Necrons (I haven't heard much about these two duking it out - Have the Chaos Worshippers of a traitor planet awoken the tomb that lies beneath with their sorcerous chants?)

AgeOfEgos wrote:

Reecius wrote:Don't count on it. That is such a fundamental change that it would require all codecies to be rewritten.

Also, alternate squad activation games take much longer than IGOUGO systems. A game of 40K using the size armies we use now would take several hours longer to play.

I like the system as it is. The rules are excellent now, and only minor changes are needed to tune it up, IMO.

I wouldn't mind a supplement for small sized games with alternate unit activation, but for the core rules, the game kicks butt now.

I agree, 5th Ed. is the strongest we've seen. Some minor changes I would like to see;

Emergency Disembark to carry over to the next player turn or worded (During the owning player's next turn, the unit that emergency disembarked is immediately pinned)
Give Walkers a stomp feature---D3 auto-hits to a non-IC unit in HTH (Still need to roll against IC as normal)
Make any unit placed in reserve have the ability to outflank====units that do so add a +1 to their reserve roll. If a unit already has the outflank ability, they may choose the side they wish to enter when they arrive.
Change the missions a bit-----make it Primary/Secondary/Tertiary already with Kill Points always being Secondary. Make Spearhead only have a 8" measure from middle instead of 12".
To score an objective--the unit scoring must be out of the vehicle it's in. Empty vehicles NEVER contest objectives.
Weight Kill Points based on FOC----make any dedicated transport worth the same number of kill points of the unit it carries

Honestly, I just want strength 5 defensive weapons and some minor changes to assault. Other than that, the game is good as is, IMO. Please just don't feth it up like they did with Fantasy.

Reecius wrote:

AgeOfEgos wrote:

Reecius wrote:Don't count on it. That is such a fundamental change that it would require all codecies to be rewritten.

Also, alternate squad activation games take much longer than IGOUGO systems. A game of 40K using the size armies we use now would take several hours longer to play.

I like the system as it is. The rules are excellent now, and only minor changes are needed to tune it up, IMO.

I wouldn't mind a supplement for small sized games with alternate unit activation, but for the core rules, the game kicks butt now.

I agree, 5th Ed. is the strongest we've seen. Some minor changes I would like to see;

Emergency Disembark to carry over to the next player turn or worded (During the owning player's next turn, the unit that emergency disembarked is immediately pinned)
Give Walkers a stomp feature---D3 auto-hits to a non-IC unit in HTH (Still need to roll against IC as normal)
Make any unit placed in reserve have the ability to outflank====units that do so add a +1 to their reserve roll. If a unit already has the outflank ability, they may choose the side they wish to enter when they arrive.
Change the missions a bit-----make it Primary/Secondary/Tertiary already with Kill Points always being Secondary. Make Spearhead only have a 8" measure from middle instead of 12".
To score an objective--the unit scoring must be out of the vehicle it's in. Empty vehicles NEVER contest objectives.
Weight Kill Points based on FOC----make any dedicated transport worth the same number of kill points of the unit it carries

Honestly, I just want strength 5 defensive weapons and some minor changes to assault. Other than that, the game is good as is, IMO. Please just don't feth it up like they did with Fantasy.

Vehicles stronger!? My 198% love for you just became 197.8%. You know, on that subject....I'll eat crow and state I was completely against Str. 4 defensive weapon fire...and I remember that when 5th Ed. was leaked someone on Seer said it was due to Phil Kelly. I thought he was dead wrong, which is odd for me because I think he's their best.....but then I played some games in 5th with armor...and changed my opinion once I started rolling on damage tables.

Regardless, I probably encroached a bit with my wish list though...so perhaps I should end that now.. Maybe I'll start a 40k General Disc. thread.

In my opinion, the cover system needs an overhaul. In most of the games i've seen and a few i've played, everything was simply:

"10 Shots, 5 hits, 4 wounds on your guardsmen from my pulse rifles."
"Okay, 5 4+ cover saves..."
"Now, 1 submunition template on your storm troopers. Direct hit, 9 hits, 8 wounds."
"Right, 8 4+ cover saves..."
"2 shots, 2 hits, 1 glance and 1 penetrate from my broadsides on the side of your Leman Russ."
"2 4+ cover saves from smoke..."
"Markerlights firing on your other leman russ. Going to reduce your smoke cover save to nothing with those 3 hits. Firing with my other Broadsides, 2 shots, 1 hit, 1 penetrate."
"Righto, 1 4+ cover save from being obscured..."

Whatever was fired, you either got a 3+ armour save or better against it, or a 4+ cover save against it. Cover plays a heavy part in war, but when you can hide your army behind a 4+ cover save it starts to become stupid.

AgeOfEgos wrote:
...Please just don't feth it up like they did with Fantasy.

A-men. I never liked fantasy much but the fact that they botched it so much with randomw charge rangfe and random terrain effects (REALLY!?!?!) means I cant play it until 9th comes out. In 2014.

Kanluwen wrote:

Plus, I said it once before and I'll say it again:
If you're going to try for the 'boobs sell' angle--you wouldn't be using an army that wears full body armor for most of their units, nor an army where the women are definitely not 'pretty' by any standard.

So Plastic Repentia?

jake wrote:

Fetterkey wrote:

Hans Chung-Otterson wrote:I guess what I really mean is: I'd like to see turns be "I activate a unit, you activate a unit, I activate a unit..." rather than IGOUGO.

This was tested by GW in the runup to Codex: Cityfight and they ultimately found it cumbersome. I'd be surprised if they implemented it now.

They found it cumbersome, yet many, many other games use it to great effect. Often these games play faster (and in my opinion cleaner) than the current edition of 40K as well.

Honestly, I'm not expecting any great changes. The game has barely changed at all since 3rd edition.

Most of those games use half the models that would be used in an average game of Warhams


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grizgrin wrote:

AgeOfEgos wrote:
...Please just don't feth it up like they did with Fantasy.

A-men. I never liked fantasy much but the fact that they botched it so much with randomw charge rangfe and random terrain effects (REALLY!?!?!) means I cant play it until 9th comes out. In 2014.

Fantasy is fine. Most people make an semi-conscious effort to "forget" what the terrain does anyway.

Charging really doesn't mean that much either unless you pull off a feat of tactical brilliance.

The starter box has got to be Vampire vs. Werewolves. It'll draw in all the Twilight fans.

My first choice (guess) would be Space Wolves vs. Chaos Marines but SW already have a decent line of plastics. SoB vs. Chaos would be my second choice.

I don't think GW cares how good the existing line is when choosing the contents of the starter box. If that were the case then Space Marines wouldn't have been in any of them.

If Space Wolves are in the starter, great opportunity for some Thunderwolf love.

Mr. Burning wrote:

Darkvoidof40k wrote:

blackclaw1 wrote:I'm gonna go for daemon-hunters (an elite army) with a more horedy daemon army , which i think will be nurgle as then they will have people buying it just for plastic nurgle daemons.

But thats a stab in the dark.

That's what I was thinking, but rather it'd be Grey Knights vs Chaos Daemons.

Honestly, can't say that'd be too bad.. but why would they try and market a top-end elite army that has high-point-cost models, and therefore doesn't require as much wallet-beating as other armies? Hm..

gw will have a few more price increase before this comes out.

They better not...the hobby can only absorb so much, before it becomes a ridiculous barrier to entry.
Someone there has got to have a business degree and understand the simplicity of the supply/demand curve and economies of scale, margins and volume.

Stunning.

I'm gonna put my two cents in could crons' possibly be in there? I mean when was the last time they got anything?


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davethepak wrote:

Mr. Burning wrote:

Darkvoidof40k wrote:

blackclaw1 wrote:I'm gonna go for daemon-hunters (an elite army) with a more horedy daemon army , which i think will be nurgle as then they will have people buying it just for plastic nurgle daemons.

But thats a stab in the dark.

That's what I was thinking, but rather it'd be Grey Knights vs Chaos Daemons.

Honestly, can't say that'd be too bad.. but why would they try and market a top-end elite army that has high-point-cost models, and therefore doesn't require as much wallet-beating as other armies? Hm..

gw will have a few more price increase before this comes out.

They better not...the hobby can only absorb so much, before it becomes a ridiculous barrier to entry.
Someone there has got to have a business degree and understand the simplicity of the supply/demand curve and economies of scale, margins and volume.

Stunning.

you see you would think that except for everytime they go "we are going to raise the prices $5" everyone just takes another $5 out of they're wallet and forks it over.

Assuming that the rumour is true (and I'm taking it with so much salt I've had to place a cardiac surgeon on ready-alert), I can only see it being one thing:

Dark Angels vs LatD

No xenos means Eldar, Dark Eldar, Tau, Orks, Necrons, Tyranids are all out and with IG and Ultrasmurfs being ruled out too that leaves only Inquisition, Non-codex marines and Chaos.

But - starter sets thus far have all been marines vs xenos. GW needs its Power Armoured poster boys to take on the 'hero' role in the starter. DA are in need of an update, but don't have army-wide special rules in the same way as SW, BA or BT do and would make an easier army for a starter game. Inquisition again is very much an outside bet due to the complexity of the army structure and number of special rules.

With DA getting my vote for 'ye goodies', what about 'ye baddies'? Well, for contrast you ideally need a non PA force, which rules out CSM. Daemons are difficut for a starter force due to the all-deep-strike deployment - definately not ideal for teaching someone the game. This would only leave you two Chaos options. Bring back LatD or have a mono-god themed 'legion' army, with CSM, daemons and auxilia cultists all in (If they did this it would be Khorne in the box - Nurgle would mean green army vs green army, not good for box art, Tzeentch is too many psychic rules, Slaanesh is too many bewbs ).

However, given that GW prefers the Chaos love-in where followers of every god happily fight alongside each other before swapping campfire stories over roasted commisar, I can't see Legions! This puts LatD as the only logical choice. A supposedly common (fluffwise) imperial enemy and one that if people start collecting will need loads of troops and tanks plus loads of chaos conversion kits.

It sets up 40k6 with a bang, attracts loads of former diehards back into the hobby by dangling the carrot of their favourite army, and given the amount of work done on renegade armies by FW means little development work is needed before a new codex is issued.

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AgeOfEgos wrote:Some minor changes I would like to see;

Emergency Disembark to carry over to the next player turn or worded (During the owning player's next turn, the unit that emergency disembarked is immediately pinned)
Give Walkers a stomp feature---D3 auto-hits to a non-IC unit in HTH (Still need to roll against IC as normal)
Make any unit placed in reserve have the ability to outflank====units that do so add a +1 to their reserve roll. If a unit already has the outflank ability, they may choose the side they wish to enter when they arrive.
Change the missions a bit-----make it Primary/Secondary/Tertiary already with Kill Points always being Secondary. Make Spearhead only have a 8" measure from middle instead of 12".
To score an objective--the unit scoring must be out of the vehicle it's in. Empty vehicles NEVER contest objectives.
Weight Kill Points based on FOC----make any dedicated transport worth the same number of kill points of the unit it carries

I agree to all of these, except the Spearhead suggestion, it's fine how it is, IMO.

Also, S5 defensive weapons on vehicles.

On topic, so far the most logical ones to me are either SOB vs CSM or DA vs. LatD. I would LOVE to see LatD back in the game. Officially.

This is easily the thinnest rumour I've ever seen at this place, and it has generated 8 pages so far. Amazing...



Also:

Chimera_Calvin - I like your style, but unfortunately GW are under a court order to only take armies I play away from me, never to give them back. So LatD can't come back for legal reasons. This is why I now start armies that don't have rules - can't take from me what they never gave in the first place!

H.B.M.C. wrote:This is easily the thinnest rumour I've ever seen at this place, and it has generated 8 pages so far. Amazing...

It is a thin rumor, but keep in mind that the precursors to 6th Edition are already evident in Codex: Grey Knights.

Mastery level?

Fetterkey wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:This is easily the thinnest rumour I've ever seen at this place, and it has generated 8 pages so far. Amazing...

It is a thin rumor, but keep in mind that the precursors to 6th Edition are already evident in Codex: Grey Knights.

expand on this?

Everyone will have one huge model released with there codex? MANTA!

I think it would be super awesome if 6th had rules for flyers in the game. Rules for bombing runs, Landings, Aerial Combat, Crashing (it would be awesome to be able to aim a crashing plane at something) and they could put the rules for the planes in the big rule book.
I realize there is IA rules for this but it would be cool to have a 0-3 Aerial Support in the FOC

Hans Chung-Otterson wrote:

Fetterkey wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:This is easily the thinnest rumour I've ever seen at this place, and it has generated 8 pages so far. Amazing...

It is a thin rumor, but keep in mind that the precursors to 6th Edition are already evident in Codex: Grey Knights.

expand on this?

Yes. Please do.

While it is too early to speculate on rules changes in 6th edition, we can't be sure it is only a minor tweak of 5th edition.

In Fantasy, 7th edition was seen as a quite balanced rules system (only broken by Matt Ward's Chaos Daemon army book). Then 8th edition by Mat Ward completely changed the game (with a big FAQ for each army to adapt them to the new edition) . Esp. the random magic practically put an end to competitive play, as one dice roll can decide the game whatever the tactics. It is more interactive story telling now, which is nice for some but not for others. This drastic change wasn't expected and rumoured. So noone can be sure that 6th 40k edition is just a variation of 5th edition.

And keep in mind that the BoK rumour is early and not set in stone and contradicting stickmonkey's even earlier rumour. So as Harry said, enjoy speculation and wait for more.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Chimera_Calvin - I like your style, but unfortunately GW are under a court order to only take armies I play away from me, never to give them back. So LatD can't come back for legal reasons. This is why I now start armies that don't have rules - can't take from me what they never gave in the first place!

Can you please start BT and DA? Could shave a year off the update cycle

Chimera_Calvin wrote:Assuming that the rumour is true (and I'm taking it with so much salt I've had to place a cardiac surgeon on ready-alert), I can only see it being one thing:

Dark Angels vs LatD

No xenos means Eldar, Dark Eldar, Tau, Orks, Necrons, Tyranids are all out and with IG and Ultrasmurfs being ruled out too that leaves only Inquisition, Non-codex marines and Chaos.

But - starter sets thus far have all been marines vs xenos. GW needs its Power Armoured poster boys to take on the 'hero' role in the starter. DA are in need of an update, but don't have army-wide special rules in the same way as SW, BA or BT do and would make an easier army for a starter game. Inquisition again is very much an outside bet due to the complexity of the army structure and number of special rules.

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Aside from your army prediction which I'm not too sure about, thanks for listing what everyone seems to have actually missed in their predictions. I.e. what the rumour actually says

As for an introduction of a new turn system (away from Igoyougo), remember that Andy Chambers had originally proposed this for 4th edition. It was turned down as being too revolutionary, and he took the system to Mongoose Publishing and their good but ultimately doomed Starship Troopers game.

Anything other than a very minor tweaking of the rules I think is being optimistic, but as a few posters have pointed out I think looking at the trend of 5th edition (and the latest edition of WFB) should give us a few pointers; Movement towards more narrative-based gameplay, scenery kits and even larger, bordering on Apocalypse size army sizes. Many of us have picked up vehicle kits since 5th edition, it will be time to turn the tables on them again and prompt sales of infantry. Just my guess!

It would also be nice if they actually advanced the story line a bit, get the ball rolling for the next black crusade or c'tan arrival or something to bring all the players back into a huge story arch just my hopes.

Advanced the story are you new to GW?

Sorry , that was the cruel jibe of a practiced cynic after twenty some years of seeing GW asymptotically approaching new years eve 40,999.

@pacific - thanks, I try and stay on topic where I can

@HBMC - does that mean if you play one of every army currently in existence that GW will implode and give birth to a new company? DO IT NOW!!!

I'm okay with not 'advancing the storyline a bit'. Start doing it too much, you end up with a White Wolf incident...start doing it too little and you get people clamoring for you to go White Wolf!

Maybe the Emperor dies and the Imperium falls apart. Maybe the Emperor dies and the Imperium gets her much needed wake up call and stops being the victim of poorly written Forge World plots. Maybe the Ultramarines are finally getting their much needed fall from grace. Maybe the Void Dragon will finally fart in its sleep and have the cog boys do something. Maybe we'll get a new warmaster who does something right for a change. Maybe Cadia will be wholly recaptured and restored. Maybe Yarrick and Ghazghul can finally have their final ultimate showdown that they were destined to have. Maybe..

Maybeeeeeee you'll think of me when you are all alone

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Hans Chung-Otterson wrote:

Fetterkey wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:This is easily the thinnest rumour I've ever seen at this place, and it has generated 8 pages so far. Amazing...

It is a thin rumor, but keep in mind that the precursors to 6th Edition are already evident in Codex: Grey Knights.

expand on this?

Yes. Please do.

Codex: Grey Knights uses several terms that have not been used in previous books and aren't part of the rules at present. Psykers have "mastery levels" instead of just being able to cast a certain number of powers; supposedly there's some funkiness with the way that single-model units/characters are defined as well. There are also a few other nonstandard rules terms used elsewhere in the 'Dex as if they were standard, so it looks like GW is preparing for some shifts, or perhaps just keeping their bases covered. This fits in well with the rumors about 6th ed being 1-2 years out.

Ya I know it would be asking a lot but he'll it would be nice to have a good story arch. Dam bring a primarch back or have one of the demon prim arches invade the empire again like angron did.

How about the Alpha twins killing Roboute?

BrookM wrote:How about the Alpha twins killing Roboute?

I'd be fine if they just happy slapped him. Alpharius (or maybe Omegon...) kicking the snot out of him whilst the other records it on his mobile phone and circulates the footage around the IoM.

I think the Void Dragon Waking up, would be the best way to mix things up in our current Plot Line. Perhaps he Sucks Mars into a portal, or the "Void" Where a new part of the Necron Fleet is.

Mars Disappearing would have excellent consequences and shake thins up significantly, showing that Terra isn't so safe after all.

But, that's just wish listing.


Perhaps we'll get some more clues when we see the Necron Codex, to see if there is anything else with new terms, or that strikes people out of the ordinary, in preparation for the new edition.

How about the machine god not being real and somehow turning the cogboys into an actual army, that would be nice.

We've gone from Rumors to Wishlisting and Speculation.

Not that those are Bad Things, but this is the wrong forum for that. Feel free to start up a new thread on this in Proposed Rules or 40k General Discussion.