Hello Dakka and friends...

today i want to show you a nice conversion idea that was suggested by Perkustin in one of my other threads...
he wanted to see something like the following scene done for a small diorama for IGs...




this is what i´ve done with his vision....:


first guy of three...








second guy of three...




and third one...








and the three together in scene...they try to help him get away from a severe fight...









i hope you like it^^


vik

heh...is it in snow? You've gotta have a bloodstained trail in the snow...
nice!

well its going to me rather muddy...but the bloodstain will happen^^

Very nice

Bloodstain for the win!

I might have too do something similar with my old cadians.

Nice, consider me subscribed!

So how are you going to do the word bubble?

Looks really good so far.

Looks good so far.

It reminds me of the end of Tears of the Sun. Good movie.

Nice, and looks promissing. Looking forward for more. But I just spotted some mold lines yet to be removed.

Viktor von Domm wrote:well its going to me rather muddy...but the bloodstain will happen^^

muddy...with mud?
or muddy...with cadians seeing thier friend getting a bolter to the chest and getting a bit scared?

as long as it has bloodstains I'll let you off...

It looks good so far
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well if you see moldlines... do point them out, i would love to remove them... i had some plenty modles ruined cuase of not removed moldlines...

a wordbubble i was thinking about.... some clear plasticsheet aboute the head with a bit of a trail to the speaking mouth stating: MEEEDIIICCCC!!!

NO!
A wordbubble would ruin it XD

I saw some at the boots of all of them I think. At least, they were partly removed, there were just some pieces left.

ok will check the boots.... when i create something new i am a bit very uneasy with this sort of thing....they have to be purged^^ thx scrazza^^

and i dont know if a bubble might actually work^^ so not all hope is forsaken^^

I like how the right (as viewed from the front) guy is copping a feel on his wounded buddy.

No problem. But I think you won't see em either way, with all the mud you're going to add .

lol...well there probably should be mud at least on a major part of the boots eh?...

i was also thinking about adding a medic and a wounded fro this set...:

Yeah, otherwise the boots would look off.

I dunno about the medic though. Might overcrowd the diorama, IMO.

i had that thought too...any suggetions for fleshing out the base stil?

Maybe add a broken lasgun? Some sandbags? The possibilities are endless...

yep sandbags probably...the lasgun sounds nice...only to do it convincingly i would need some inspiration...

no speech bubble. Have it painted on the base.
I vote sandbags and a half-buried lasgun...
and no medic or wonded guy.
anyway, early morning tomorrow...see ya!

*waves*

That is pretty cool looking.

thanks dalsiandon ^^

For the broken lasgun, imagine the ammo clip overheating, and exploding. The area around the clip would be somewhat melted through and scorched. Hope this will get you some inspiration.

Otherwise, you couèld also add a bare skelleton (if you have one), and sculpt some GS ragged clothing. Maybe to point out that this war has been going on for quite a while, and that it's an ugly one.


Hope this somewhat helps.

well the idea about the skelleton is nice, wanted to do that for quite some time but not on this one here...

the exploded lasgun is really cool...this will see the daylight^^ so consider me working on the spot asap on that^^

Haha, great to know one of my ideas sees daylight

at first i thought about that exploded cigar look for a damaged lasgun... but your idea is so much more logic...in a fierce battle the weapon overheats and then...kablam...end of guardsmans face and a nasty pice of plastic and metal formely known as lasgun standard issue^^
maybe if i do that i should have a badly dameged coprse of a guardsman lying around...

or just the arm/hand holding the melted/exploded lasgun. (or just some mangled fingers lying around.)

huh... got kids sitting around at home...urgh^^

but i have a three upstanding guardsmen already so it would suit the diorama better to have one lying arund ...maybe in pieces^^

It would definably be better to have one guardsmen in pieces on the base. But, I don't think you can combine a melted lasgun ammo clip, while the victim is blasted to bits by artillery. An artillery blast would disintegrate the lasgun, I think.

What is green stuffed on top of the middle guys head? It looks like he has a napkin on his head.

I vote an exploded lasgun, with attached hand.
maybe get a spare empty helmet and glue a skeleton warrior head in it?

shrike wrote:heh...is it in snow? You've gotta have a bloodstained trail in the snow...
nice!

That would make it even more awesome

Like it very much.

Maybe add a discarded helmet or other equipment, and some footprints behind them if the ground will be soft.

If you do the footprints, the casualty's should be stretched, like he's dragging one foot.

at bloodquest:
the streched footprints sound like a cool idea... have to look into the base if i can do that...
the helmet and other euquip i will look into the bitzbox for that...

at scazza:
i thought my comment was a bit overexagerated... notkilled by artillery... he died just of the explosion...so not in pieces but definatly in peace^^

at PraetorDave:
the GS bit on the wounded one in the middle is his hair...you have to see it in perspective to understand it i guess...the head is from militia from fantsay line and i cut away the hat and so i had to replace quite a bit with GS and tried to do hair... i like it quite much as it is...

at shrike:
if i had a zomby head this would even be better...the wounded aspect of the head would take the mini quite far then...

Yeah, that would be more realistic

I also like the idea of the wounded being dragged. I say, take a shot at it.

well it will see work tomorrow so cross fingers for me^^

AWESOME! You have made the vision a reality. Can't wait to see it painted, with some nice gore hopefully.

ouch ....directly in the soaking wound mate^^

when it comes to modeling/converting i am totally eager... then the painting starts and all things go to a pause...when i see my desk its overloaded with projects...

but i think i have to grow a pair and get on with it^^...

Can't wait!

OOOh I love diorama's like this I thought about doing one but I didn't have the time, so it is great to see someone building the scene (especially a talented someone ) As for the exploded lasgun you good have it half buried in the mud with part of an arm buried in the ground near it. Kind of like WW1 where bodies of previous inhabitants of the trench would be swallowed up by the mud so if the trench was dug at or hit by an explosion parts of the bodies would start to show.

Also good greenstuff hair it looks really good, also like a previous poster said it is funny that one of the Guardsmen is having a good feel of his wounded friend ^^

Edit: It was ma55ter fett that posted the coment about the Guardsman feeling the wounded.

Santaman2346 wrote:Kind of like WW1 where bodies of previous inhabitants of the trench would be swallowed up by the mud so if the trench was dug at or hit by an explosion parts of the bodies would start to show.

I remember reading a quote from a WWI veteran, who said that he stumbled and put his hand on the wall. His hand fell through the mud and landed in some french guy's stomach. Apparently, it felt like soft cheese. Lovely.

shrike wrote:

Santaman2346 wrote:Kind of like WW1 where bodies of previous inhabitants of the trench would be swallowed up by the mud so if the trench was dug at or hit by an explosion parts of the bodies would start to show.

I remember reading a quote from a WWI veteran, who said that he stumbled and put his hand on the wall. His hand fell through the mud and landed in some french guy's stomach. Apparently, it felt like soft cheese. Lovely.

Ah, the more interesting quotes, so to say.

Scrazza wrote:

shrike wrote:

Santaman2346 wrote:Kind of like WW1 where bodies of previous inhabitants of the trench would be swallowed up by the mud so if the trench was dug at or hit by an explosion parts of the bodies would start to show.

I remember reading a quote from a WWI veteran, who said that he stumbled and put his hand on the wall. His hand fell through the mud and landed in some french guy's stomach. Apparently, it felt like soft cheese. Lovely.

Ah, the more interesting quotes, so to say.

I hate to say it but the soft cheese bit made me laugh. However I cannot even imagine the living hell those troops went through almost everyday. (taking into account breaks from the line every week or so) Although all wars are horrible WW1 was one of the grisliest, bloodiest and down right dirty wars ever to happen in modern history.

Santaman2346 wrote:

Scrazza wrote:

shrike wrote:

Santaman2346 wrote:Kind of like WW1 where bodies of previous inhabitants of the trench would be swallowed up by the mud so if the trench was dug at or hit by an explosion parts of the bodies would start to show.

I remember reading a quote from a WWI veteran, who said that he stumbled and put his hand on the wall. His hand fell through the mud and landed in some french guy's stomach. Apparently, it felt like soft cheese. Lovely.

Ah, the more interesting quotes, so to say.

I hate to say it but the soft cheese bit made me laugh. However I cannot even imagine the living hell those troops went through almost everyday. (taking into account breaks from the line every week or so) Although all wars are horrible WW1 was one of the grisliest, bloodiest and down right dirty wars ever to happen in modern history.

and then the horus heresy came along.
"We will fight them in orbit, we will fight them in the streets. We will fight them in the habs. We will never surrender."
Oh, wrong war.

EDIT- I admit I laughed when I heard about the arch duke's death. They failed (twice), so the guy went to get a sandwhich, then the archduke took a wrong turn near the sandwich shop and the guy shot him. How british- "I've failed in my assassination which would kill millions. I need a sandwich."

shrike wrote:

Santaman2346 wrote:

Scrazza wrote:

shrike wrote:

Santaman2346 wrote:Kind of like WW1 where bodies of previous inhabitants of the trench would be swallowed up by the mud so if the trench was dug at or hit by an explosion parts of the bodies would start to show.

I remember reading a quote from a WWI veteran, who said that he stumbled and put his hand on the wall. His hand fell through the mud and landed in some french guy's stomach. Apparently, it felt like soft cheese. Lovely.

Ah, the more interesting quotes, so to say.

I hate to say it but the soft cheese bit made me laugh. However I cannot even imagine the living hell those troops went through almost everyday. (taking into account breaks from the line every week or so) Although all wars are horrible WW1 was one of the grisliest, bloodiest and down right dirty wars ever to happen in modern history.

and then the horus heresy came along.
"We will fight them in orbit, we will fight them in the streets. We will fight them in the habs. We will never surrender."
Oh, wrong war.

deliberate. That's why I posted it with no edits.

thanks santa^^ , should sig that compliment of yours but me being the modest one...^^

i am currently working on the dead huy lying on the ground... this inst easy... as the IGs nearly hve no real options to have a lying man to be done out of the normal troopers... so i cut a kneeling legs bit to size to get a better dynamicaly position...hope that will work...for this i decided to have the guradsman lying collapsed on a sandbag...lasgun still in hand an the other arm lying flat around the sandbag...maybe i will use pva glue to make some wounds... this might create some nice bubbles and stuff so thta it might actually look the part...
i destroyed a helmet to make it look hit...and for the lasgun explosion part i am still a bit unsure...


i think WWII is way more brutal...concerning deathtoll all in all and also the shown brutality here on all sides is much more fierce...stories of my granddad and other history reports...makes one shudder...
what makes WI so gruesome i think is the long trenchwar... i think fighting in a unit you came very close to each other fellow soldiers and thus their death witnessed makes more painful inprints in memory...

hey cool work so far vik , the poses feel very natural , great choice of legs and heads, and good hair sculpt. cant wait to see if finished off.

the dead man is giving me a hard time even in death^^ but he will heel to my whim^^

I love the diorama, however... I dislike the mixing of the lasgun types (one guy has a catachan las carbine). It just looks out of place to me - but, hey, it's your model.

Maybe Vik could paint the two in different regiment colors, that would justify the difference in weapon type. It would also add a fel like 'brohers in arms' .

Otherwise, you could just reason it's a war trophy.

Yeah, that would be pretty cool. Another similar idea could be to make the one with the carbine look like more of an assault trooper - maybe an advanced helmet on his back or something...

or a drop trooper, or a mechanized infantry trooper. Theyè typically have lascarbines with retractable stocks.

cosmic pixie wrote:I love the diorama, however... I dislike the mixing of the lasgun types (one guy has a catachan las carbine). It just looks out of place to me - but, hey, it's your model.

you cosmic pixie sir have a very sharp eye...indeed it is a catachan waepon with hand...hmmm to change the weapon... this i dont want really as i want to keep the minis in that shape... pose was really my foremost thought here... but to kit him out a bit is a good thoughttho i fear i cut up my last spare helmet just today... darn...well maybe i have to carve out a face of a complete hlemeted head for this...god this will be teidious...

a different paintscheme only in the way that they all would fit the overall scheme of the vicorian army...

Well, as my first real army was catachan, this stuff jumps out. However, I really like the pose - it's very natural. You could make the guy look more assaulty very easily with green stuff kneepads or a slightly different head - you could look at the heavy weapons ones or the valkyrie pack if you have any lying around.

The paint scheme idea could be as simple as a different coloured shoulder pad or helmet. I would try yellow and black hazard stripes on one shoulder if it looked good with your army's colours.

the kneepads sound very convincing.... and i think i have some other heavy heads too...shoulderpads could be done according to your tip but just not in blue as blue is acording to fluff banned from use...by royal decree...but red and white or black and red stripes would work any day...

Possibly mentioned but he could be a trooper from an armoured regiment. As they need shorter weapons so they will not take upas much space in the tank and are easier for the tank trooper to use in the confined space if (The Emperor forbid) enemy forces were to breach the tank.

i am still thinking and working on those minis... and i saw in my time of serviuce how those armored troops used shorter versions or at least some with cocked buttstucks...
the project will get to see some work soon again... got again a bit sidetracked from this sidetrack project of another sidetrack project...well i have sometimes really much on my mind...^^

Viktor von Domm wrote:i have sometimes really much on my mind...^^

Vik, that's what friends are for...*friendly arm over shoulder, gazing into the distance*

^ Not arm round shoulder, carrying comrade with 10 kg of shrapnel in his chest...

whatever comes first i guess^^

Nice job man. Paint em up!

Great concept and you have really done it justice so far, looking forward to seeing the finish product.

lol yep...i think i should grow a pair and get to finish that...will do that as soon as possible...am a bit sidetracked atm...thanks for all the encouragements^^


vik

sidetracked? Just a little bit?
bushwhacker vets
scottish ogryn
frog/shark mini's
airship
steampunkers
cadians
and then this?

The wounded guy needs a haircut!

Their is a pic like the one you want. But it has a Commisar, a guardsmen, and a guardswomen. The guardsmen is wounded, the commisiar's arm is broken, and the guardswomen is ready to kick ass. Would that work?

work? well i know that really good diorama...but i have my own take on the diorama...

I prefer the idea of three men of similar rank...one of the commissariat with a guardsman and a woman? Not so much.

When will we see more pictures? GET TO WORK

oye ye finger pokin´lot^^ i will promise to do it in this list:

sharkys squad (if you don´t know what i am talkin`about see my other threads^^)

steamy soldiers(see above fro upcoming questions...)

and then the dio...promise!


vik

so abut one millenia give or take the occaisional decade of straying astride...

Ahh, to long to wait.

by the way... scrazza...is that you in the avatar pic or someone we should be knowing? its creepy as heck^^

I love the first pic!
Much better paint skillz than mine
the models are fine too

Viktor von Domm wrote:by the way... scrazza...is that you in the avatar pic or someone we should be knowing? its creepy as heck^^

haha, no, but I wish it was. It's Michale Graves, the second singer from The Misfits, a (Horror) Punk band. They got some great songs.

at scrazza
ah ok^^

at sluggaslugga
that sketch is from perkustin of this board here ...he inspired the diorama idea...so props to you perkustin^^

I also like the fact that they are all serious.
I can see that the commisars have influenced these guardsmen well... (Btw did one of the commisars shoot the middle guy?)

lol... could be but it wasn´t intended that way^^... more like the two on the flanks try to rescue their sargent...who got stabed/shot by some enemy...

Viktor von Domm wrote:lol... could be but it wasn´t intended that way^^... more like the two on the flanks try to rescue their sargent...who got stabed/shot by some enemy...

sluggaslugga wrote:I also like the fact that they are all serious.
I can see that the commisars have influenced these guardsmen well... (Btw did one of the commisars shoot the middle guy?)

I the commissar had shot him, he'd:
-be dead- they go for the head
-he wouldn't be rescued. It would be seen as preventing an execution and they'd be shot, too.
I see it as thier sarge has been either hit by shrapnel or a bolt-round got him in the cheest, but his flak armour stopped him from being killed instantly.

yup on all acounts as i cant see a commissar miss his target...
some fiece enemy got the better of the sarge... depends on the wound i think i will do in the end... could be a nid would as much as it is shown already...i have to get that model on my desk again to decide...maybe i add a frantically shooting guardsman to help in the matter to get the sarge into safety...

Viktor von Domm wrote:yup on all acounts as i cant see a commissar miss his target...
some fiece enemy got the better of the sarge... depends on the wound i think i will do in the end... could be a nid would as much as it is shown already...i have to get that model on my desk again to decide...maybe i add a frantically shooting guardsman to help in the matter to get the sarge into safety...

Yeah- "Cover us!"




*throws blanket over them*
"No you idiot!"
*enemies stop shooting*
enemy- "Where'd they go?"
"You genius!"

the boogyman^^ get him a blanket and he gets all selfquestional...

also reminds me of LotR where frodo and sam hide under one of those elven capes...stonecold^^

Viktor von Domm wrote:the boogyman^^ get him a blanket and he gets all selfquestional...

also reminds me of LotR where frodo and sam hide under one of those elven capes...stonecold^^

I'd hate trying to play hide and seek with those...
they'd blend in as a beanbag...

lol...

Too bad the wounded guy is going to be summarily executed for leaving his lasgun behind.

well that is at least a thought i have to think about...wouldn´t want a dark aftermath of that little episode...hmmmm....

(sarge is lying in medic bay, unconscious)
Commissar- "So, doc, how's he doing?"
Doctor- "His survival was nothing short of a miracle. A 30cm shard of metal lodged in his chest, but somehow he lived."
C- "Summary execution!" *BLAM*
D- "What was that for?!"
C- "He left his lasgun behind!"
D-"...Uhh, I don't thi-"
*Cocks bolt pistol*
D- "Okay, then."

lol... and they all lived happily ever after...er...*blam*

exactly...

NOOOOO!

too too cruel!!

Sounds like Thomas Hardy has started writing for the Black Library!