From the GW site:

Wanton and cruel in a way that even the most depraved mind could not hope to comprehend, the Dark Eldar are the epitome of cruelty and malice. Their way of life represents a culture that has long since abandoned reason for debauchery and decadence. Superlative warriors, the Dark Eldar master the ways of war that they may better end the lives of the so-called 'lesser' races for which they hold so much scorn. They relish the moment of the kill, revelling in the pain and suffering of their victims before mercilessly slaying them. But to be captured and enslaved by the Dark Eldar is to suffer a fate worse than death. The Haemonculi are torturers supreme, and with their highly advanced technology capable of extending their victims' lives to unnatural lengths, they have all they time they need to perfect their cruel art.

When a warrior kabal launches a realspace raid, they burst forth from the webway to unleash death and woe, only to disappear like ghosts before their enemies can prepare a counterattack. These piratical armies are not only comprised of the Kabalite Warriors that form the backbone of each noble house; they are accompanied by all manner of allies, minions and other such menials that seek to gain the Archon's favour. A Dark Eldar army can vary greatly in this way, including gladiatorial Wyches, skyboard-riding Hellion gangs, shadowy Mandrakes, mutated experiments and other more feral and disturbing beasts. Whatever the composition of a Dark Eldar army, that they are heartless, deadly and utterly without mercy is beyond question. Pray that they don't take you alive!

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Nice, so is this the 'second wave'?

i dont think this is anything new.... just the standard army info.

This is odd, theres nothing new on there at all.
By looking at the picture I was hoping for Wrack's, Grotesques and Haemy's but (unless they update it) their "update" isnt really an update, more of a "remember these guys".

There is a picture of a haemoncu.. heamonao.. one of those fething torturers flanking the message: http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1550180a_Urien_Rakarth.jpg

DarthSpader wrote:i dont think this is anything new.... just the standard army info.

Gorechild wrote:This is odd, theres nothing new on there at all.

On the contrary, this is the long expected announcement for the 2nd wave of Dark Eldar in June.
The text confirms Haemunculi, Archon's retinue, Wracks and Grotesques (maybe even scourges) to be in it. But the Venom is expected then as well, maybe even the flyer(s). So BrookM, you can take the question mark from the title and add 2nd wave.

Still, Kroot, it's another "We're going to release something soon... but we're not going to tell you what it is because... uhh... well just because!!!" announcement. In other words the type of 'marketing' only an imbecile would think is a good idea.

"We got something we're really excited to tell you about and it's.. nah nah, got ya nose! No peeking, stay tuned."

H.B.M.C. wrote:Still, Kroot, it's another "We're going to release something soon... but we're not going to tell you what it is because... uhh... well just because!!!" announcement. In other words the type of 'marketing' only an imbecile would think is a good idea.

Yeah, it's not like it's the equivalent of a movie trailer or anything, no, it's clearly GW BEING MORONS. It's not like movies, games etc have teasers before big announcements, or anything.

HBMC, I've not been on this site for long, and all you seem to do is whine endlessly.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Still, Kroot, it's another "We're going to release something soon... but we're not going to tell you what it is because... uhh... well just because!!!" announcement. In other words the type of 'marketing' only an imbecile would think is a good idea.

And people can't even use the usual excuse that they don't want to undermine sales of the previous kits, since those previous kits either don't exist or are OOP.

Cerebrium wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:Still, Kroot, it's another "We're going to release something soon... but we're not going to tell you what it is because... uhh... well just because!!!" announcement. In other words the type of 'marketing' only an imbecile would think is a good idea.

Yeah, it's not like it's the equivalent of a movie trailer or anything, no, it's clearly GW BEING MORONS. It's not like movies, games etc have teasers before big announcements, or anything.

HBMC, I've not been on this site for long, and all you seem to do is whine endlessly.

This is an equivalent of a movie teaser without a title. It's the equivalent of a black screen with "A MOVIE ABOUT BARBARIANS" on it.

Except it's not. It's basically saying "We're doing the haemonculi-related stuff now. Watch this space for big announcements later!"

And you are right.

HBMC does have a slight tendency to use more than a few opportunities to express his displeasure with GWs marketing strategy.

Not that the strategy is good IMO, but HBMC tend to express this more often than the average poster.

By GW standards, this is an ultra revealing incoming article. But I agree that by normal standards, this is just bad marketing
Not sure, if I would have reformulated the title that way

BTW here a list by hastings of what models to expect sometime in the future:

Venom Plastic Kit.
Razorwing/Voidraven Plastic Kit.
Talos/Cronos Plastic Kit.
Scourges Plastic Kit.
Metal Wracks.

Hmm, would the "Hey listen, check this out. Nah nah, got ya nose!" be a better one?

Cerebrium wrote:Yeah, it's not like it's the equivalent of a movie trailer or anything, no, it's clearly GW BEING MORONS. It's not like movies, games etc have teasers before big announcements, or anything.

HBMC, I've not been on this site for long, and all you seem to do is whine endlessly.

Yes H.B.M.C is known for relentlessly finding the negative in GW news but more often then not he is just in his criticisms; this is one of those case. Films and games have periods of secrecy with teasers in order to drum up intrigue and interest in a saturated market. They must do these things in order to gain attention over their competitors and ensure a profitable release. In GW's case however, they have literally no direct competitor; neither in 40K or in wargaming as a whole. Yes Warmachine and Flames of War have gained momentum in recent years but GW product still dominates the LGS product-space which is a clear indicator of their dominance in the industry. Since GW doesn't have countless numbers of competing projects all campaigning for the same audience (if you follow GW products you are likely already a GW customer) there is no need for a campaign of secrecy. In GW's case, it actually ends up hurting them as it annoys and frustrates their customers that care. The GW customers that don't care likely don't care because the costs of models and materials are so high that starting a new army on a whim is rare.

H.B.M.C is right on in his criticism of GW's marketing strategy as all it does is threaten to hurt their business. They clearly have copy-pasted the strategy from the other industries that you cited in your post but marketing strategies that work in one industry won't necessarily work in another. GW should identify its dominance of the wargaming market and offer relative transparency to their customers. Seeing models early allows for people to either love the model and get excited or to dislike the model and contemplate conversions to turn it into their personal vision of the unit. A great example is the Stormraven which had an official unveil fairly close to its release date but a supposed leak months in advance. As we all know, the Stormraven is a polarizing model but seeing it so early allowed people who loved the model to get amped up for its release and people who hated the model (like myself) to come up with a plan to convert the model as we would like. Upon arriving at a plan for converting the model, even those who hated the look of it will now look forward to its release.

Displaying models well before release serves only to excite GW's customer-base and so their decision to adopt the film-esque strategy of secrecy is disappointing and easy to criticize.

Cerebrium wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:Still, Kroot, it's another "We're going to release something soon... but we're not going to tell you what it is because... uhh... well just because!!!" announcement. In other words the type of 'marketing' only an imbecile would think is a good idea.

Yeah, it's not like it's the equivalent of a movie trailer or anything, no, it's clearly GW BEING MORONS. It's not like movies, games etc have teasers before big announcements, or anything.

HBMC, I've not been on this site for long, and all you seem to do is whine endlessly.

Are they still doing this "If I tell you I have to kill you" rubbish in GW? It got tired way back when they did the "new" sentinels and completely refused to tell anyone when they would be released, or more specifically how much they would be. Even though they were touting samples months in advance. It was tiresome back then, obviously they haven't learned. Some people like to budget for their purchases so they can have what they desire and what they need, without being obstructed by a key-timer on a power-trip, or a shop manager who really does think he is a Commissar. As a frustrated purchaser once said: Its not the CIA, its little lead men. Grow up.

People still know that when a movie arrives, it will be X-priced and a game will be Y-priced. The dates may vary, but the price is reasonably constant. (If X equals Over and Y equals Might as Well Be Cast In Gold.)

ArbeitsSchu wrote:Are they still doing this "If I tell you I have to kill you" rubbish in GW?

Employees are required to sign things with their own blood and have pictures of saints burned as they swear never to spill the beans, lest they burn in hell like that picture. The wargaming industry is serious business.

BrookM wrote:Employees are required to sign things with their own blood and have pictures of saints burned as they swear never to spill the beans, lest they burn in hell like that picture.

Don't forget the firstborn thing

ArbeitsSchu wrote:

Are they still doing this "If I tell you I have to kill you" rubbish in GW?

Not really. It's become a "we find out about the same time as everyone else" type of thing.

Myself and some of my stores regulars are quick to add "It's vapor until it's on the shelf" if a non-regular comes in and asks.

Much to the consternation of the staff.

Kroothawk wrote:

BrookM wrote:Employees are required to sign things with their own blood and have pictures of saints burned as they swear never to spill the beans, lest they burn in hell like that picture.

Don't forget the firstborn thing

Right, they need to feed the board of directors somehow, with their modest proposals.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Still, Kroot, it's another "We're going to release something soon... but we're not going to tell you what it is because... uhh... well just because!!!" announcement. In other words the type of 'marketing' only an imbecile would think is a good idea.

Gotta agree with you there. They need to get people excited about a release well before the release. That's what EVERY other company does. Oh well, what does Microsoft, Sony or any other big company like them know about business. Grassroots companies like them will be gone before next year. *Shakes head* GW, you need to learn from the big dogs.

Cerebrium wrote:Yeah, it's not like it's the equivalent of a movie trailer or anything, no, it's clearly GW BEING MORONS. It's not like movies, games etc have teasers before big announcements, or anything.

If you can't see the issue in GW's endless stream of missed and badly handled marketing opportunities, then clearly there will be nothing I can say or do to convince you.

Cerebrium wrote:HBMC, I've not been on this site for long, and all you seem to do is whine endlessly.

Doesn't make me wrong...

BAHHHHHH!!!!! Pictures, stupid GW, PICTURES!!!!

I want to buy your stuff, but seriously, what the hell?!?!

I think I speak for all Tyranid players out there when I say " you GW. you."

streamdragon wrote:I think I speak for all Tyranid players out there when I say " you GW. you."

Oh, do you guys have some unreleased figures? Anything important to the overall army structure? Sorry, just teasing.

It is a little odd to have a Wave 2 so soon when Blood Angels had to wait almost a year and Space Wolves even longer but it seems that GW is making up for neglecting he Dark Eldar for so long. Yes out of the current 5th edition codices Tyranids really should get their 2nd wave first but Dark Eldar players have been far more patient in their long wait for an update then Tyranid players have had to be in their wait for a Tervigon or Harpy

SonicPara wrote:It is a little odd to have a Wave 2 so soon when Blood Angels had to wait almost a year and Space Wolves even longer but it seems that GW is making up for neglecting he Dark Eldar for so long. Yes out of the current 5th edition codices Tyranids really should get their 2nd wave first but Dark Eldar players have been far more patient in their long wait for an update then Tyranid players have had to be in their wait for a Tervigon or Harpy

Your new book, did it radically change the way your army plays from the previous edition? No? Because the Tervigon (ugh) has become a mainstay of Tyranid forces. No Tervigon, no Tyrano Fex (double ugh), none of the special characters... but at least they gave us the Pyrovore! (triple ugh)

Space Wolves got a second wave? Did I miss the TWC models? (IIRC, they're the only things we're missing...)

streamdragon wrote:

SonicPara wrote:It is a little odd to have a Wave 2 so soon when Blood Angels had to wait almost a year and Space Wolves even longer but it seems that GW is making up for neglecting he Dark Eldar for so long. Yes out of the current 5th edition codices Tyranids really should get their 2nd wave first but Dark Eldar players have been far more patient in their long wait for an update then Tyranid players have had to be in their wait for a Tervigon or Harpy

Your new book, did it radically change the way your army plays from the previous edition? No? Because the Tervigon (ugh) has become a mainstay of Tyranid forces. No Tervigon, no Tyrano Fex (double ugh), none of the special characters... but at least they gave us the Pyrovore! (triple ugh)

Space Wolves got a second wave? Did I miss the TWC models? (IIRC, they're the only things we're missing...)

I apologize about the Space Wolves bit, I meant to say that they are still waiting. You are correct, they don't have a 2nd wave yet. As I said, Tyranids really should get their 2nd wave first due to the reasons you cited (mostly the tervigon) but my point was in the years and years of neglect that Dark Eldar players were subject to perhaps GW felt was reason to rush their model line to completion.

I just saw the announcement via twitter and I wondered what was missing. I'm rather annoyed about this as I'm still hoping for some Thunderwolves.

As for the marketing, I can see how it is frustrating but it's pretty much what Apple do.They dont say anything for ages and let the rumor mill do its thing. it seems to work for them and I dont see GW suffering (in the UK at least).

Lord_Astaroth wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:Still, Kroot, it's another "We're going to release something soon... but we're not going to tell you what it is because... uhh... well just because!!!" announcement. In other words the type of 'marketing' only an imbecile would think is a good idea.

Gotta agree with you there. They need to get people excited about a release well before the release. That's what EVERY other company does. Oh well, what does Microsoft, Sony or any other big company like them know about business. Grassroots companies like them will be gone before next year. *Shakes head* GW, you need to learn from the big dogs.

I personally dislike GWs marketing efforts, or lack thereof. However, Apple computers takes a somewhat similar approach. The differences being they get major press when they release a product, and spend lots of money on advertising once a product is released. I think that GW does a disservice to its stores by keeping them in the dark. Customers regularly know more about releases than employees. With one man stores, employees do not have time to paint or play and are thus distanced from the hobby. This substantially hurts employees' credibility. This is bad news given that the company is putting all of its eggs in the basket of these stores.

Much as I dislike it, I don't think it's correct to call the strategy ineffective.

Look at the number of Grey Knight threads that started when the Incoming! e-mail came out and then exploded once we actually got some hard info.

If everyone's already aware of the release for several months it's difficult to build that kind of hype.


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As I said, i'd much prefer they gave us more info, but that may not work in the way they want it to.

It's an interesting idea that we might form part of the marketing strategy. Endlessly dissecting every small morsel of information until we've whipped ourselves into a frenzy just before they show us the new release with the "click here to order" button.

I propose we stop doing it for a month and see what happens.

That would require everybody being in on it and the mods being like total fascists who lock every thread even remotely related to the topic.

When I saw this, I immediately thought of the 'marketing' that J.J. Abrams does with his movies.

Remember the first trailer for Cloverfield? It was basically a shot of the NYC skyline and then the words "CLOVERFIELD" for 15 seconds.

That's what these 'Incoming!' articles remind me of. Frickin' J.J. Abrams.

SonicPara wrote:

streamdragon wrote:

SonicPara wrote:It is a little odd to have a Wave 2 so soon when Blood Angels had to wait almost a year and Space Wolves even longer but it seems that GW is making up for neglecting he Dark Eldar for so long. Yes out of the current 5th edition codices Tyranids really should get their 2nd wave first but Dark Eldar players have been far more patient in their long wait for an update then Tyranid players have had to be in their wait for a Tervigon or Harpy

Your new book, did it radically change the way your army plays from the previous edition? No? Because the Tervigon (ugh) has become a mainstay of Tyranid forces. No Tervigon, no Tyrano Fex (double ugh), none of the special characters... but at least they gave us the Pyrovore! (triple ugh)

Space Wolves got a second wave? Did I miss the TWC models? (IIRC, they're the only things we're missing...)

I apologize about the Space Wolves bit, I meant to say that they are still waiting. You are correct, they don't have a 2nd wave yet. As I said, Tyranids really should get their 2nd wave first due to the reasons you cited (mostly the tervigon) but my point was in the years and years of neglect that Dark Eldar players were subject to perhaps GW felt was reason to rush their model line to completion.

Ah, I apologize of the SW stuff seemed snarky, I was honestly wondering if I'd missed something as I've been playing lots of fantasy and not really paying attention to 40k. ;D

And fair enough on the Dark Elder wait; I know our local DE player has been fairly happy with the changes. Truthfully, I would have rather had my Tyranids wait and gotten better quality Codex/Models than we did. ;D

Kroothawk wrote:

DarthSpader wrote:i dont think this is anything new.... just the standard army info.

Gorechild wrote:This is odd, theres nothing new on there at all.

On the contrary, this is the long expected announcement for the 2nd wave of Dark Eldar in June.
The text confirms Haemunculi, Archon's retinue, Wracks and Grotesques (maybe even scourges) to be in it. But the Venom is expected then as well, maybe even the flyer(s). So BrookM, you can take the question mark from the title and add 2nd wave.

How does the text confirm an Archon's retinue? I'm not being sarky, I just can't find anything to that effect if you could enlighten me - I really want to get my hands on some retinue models

Kanluwen wrote:When I saw this, I immediately thought of the 'marketing' that J.J. Abrams does with his movies.

Remember the first trailer for Cloverfield? It was basically a shot of the NYC skyline and then the words "CLOVERFIELD" for 15 seconds.

That's what these 'Incoming!' articles remind me of. Frickin' J.J. Abrams.

That's the donkey-cave who did Gone Fishin'!

Super 8 has me intrigued... although it will probably just turn into another movie about a big arse monster that the army can't defeat.

The marketing by GW is annoying, but it's not stupid or ineffective for two reasons:

1) They release a news item or article every day. This gets you back to their site to check it out, which obviously increases site traffic, which leads to sales. It's Marketing 101 and it works.

2) Marketing is getting people to talk about your stuff. Here, we've got a 2 page thread after a couple of hours about what's not there! Why should they release more information than they have to if we'll bitch about what little they release and pore over every word to see what we've missed?

So, really, it'd be more correct to say they're jerks than stupid.

Foo wrote:The marketing by GW is annoying, but it's not stupid or ineffective for two reasons:

1) They release a news item or article every day. This gets you back to their site to check it out, which obviously increases site traffic, which leads to sales. It's Marketing 101 and it works.

You go to their site every day in hope of news? Man, I don't think I've EVER got news from the GW site before Dakka/BOLS/Warseer. I have no idea what news section you're looking at.

Their Friday "news" article about the Specialist Games ranges just made us cry, they gave us a glimpse of days gone by.

streamdragon wrote:I think I speak for all Tyranid players out there when I say " you GW. you."

+1

It's amazing how fast threads go into '@$%# GW'. Obviously there is a large number of posters who do not know the first thing about business or marketing.

BrookM wrote:Their Friday "news" article about the Specialist Games ranges just made us cry, they gave us a glimpse of days gone by.

+1

I wasn't around in GW's glory days, but I'd readily give up 40k and WHFB if they brought back Blood Bowl, Epic, Warmaster, and BFG.

Then again... what would current day GW do to those games?

Ketara wrote:

Foo wrote:The marketing by GW is annoying, but it's not stupid or ineffective for two reasons:

1) They release a news item or article every day. This gets you back to their site to check it out, which obviously increases site traffic, which leads to sales. It's Marketing 101 and it works.

You go to their site every day in hope of news? Man, I don't think I've EVER got news from the GW site before Dakka/BOLS/Warseer. I have no idea what news section you're looking at.

They send out an email newsletter update every day with a link to a new article. Whether I actually click the link and go or not is a different story. The point is that they obviously do this to drive traffic.

Chimera_Calvin wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:On the contrary, this is the long expected announcement for the 2nd wave of Dark Eldar in June.
The text confirms Haemunculi, Archon's retinue, Wracks and Grotesques (maybe even scourges) to be in it. But the Venom is expected then as well, maybe even the flyer(s). So BrookM, you can take the question mark from the title and add 2nd wave.

How does the text confirm an Archon's retinue? I'm not being sarky, I just can't find anything to that effect if you could enlighten me - I really want to get my hands on some retinue models

GW wrote:These piratical armies are not only comprised of the Kabalite Warriors that form the backbone of each noble house; they are accompanied by all manner of allies, minions and other such menials that seek to gain the Archon's favour.

Well, the above quote describes quite accurately the Archon's retinue consisting of Xeno allies and slave-beings. But being cryptic and nebulous, it could also mean something else or nothing at all.

I was hoping to hear wolf news soon as well. But this means I can have a venom when I start without building one from scratch.

All you people and your whining about needing models for your army. I play Tau and all the models in the codex are available....it doesn't mean much without a workable codex but hey at least we have models. And now it looks like GWs going to stiff me again by putting the Tau codex out probably 1 month before 6th edition hits the shelves and makes the entire codex worthless again.

Anybody want to buy a Tau army?

agnosto wrote:All you people and your whining about needing models for your army. I play Tau and all the models in the codex are available....it doesn't mean much without a workable codex but hey at least we have models. And now it looks like GWs going to stiff me again by putting the Tau codex out probably 1 month before 6th edition hits the shelfs and makes the entire codex worthless again.

Anybody want to buy a Tau army?

Good lord no, they're terrible.

Just teasing, man.

streamdragon wrote:No Tervigon, no Tyrano Fex (double ugh), none of the special characters... but at least they gave us the Pyrovore! (triple ugh)

But don't forgett, they will be releasing (*exciting buildup*)...
this summer (*reaches cresendo*)...
the Harpy (*crickets chirping*)

agnosto wrote:All you people and your whining about needing models for your army. I play Tau and all the models in the codex are available....it doesn't mean much without a workable codex but hey at least we have models. And now it looks like GWs going to stiff me again by putting the Tau codex out probably 1 month before 6th edition hits the shelves and makes the entire codex worthless again.

Anybody want to buy a Tau army?

You really think the Nid codex is more workable than the Tau dex? I mean, sure, with one fairly specific build that relies on models that don't yet exist. So (sorta) book w/ no models, or (sorta) book w/ models. I'm not saying "Tau dex is fine!" (although *ANECDOTE ALERT* the local Tau player does fine) or anything, mind you.

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wyomingfox wrote:

streamdragon wrote:No Tervigon, no Tyrano Fex (double ugh), none of the special characters... but at least they gave us the Pyrovore! (triple ugh)

But don't forgett, they will be releasing (*exciting buildup*)...
this summer (*reaches cresendo*)...
the Harpy (*crickets chirping*)

Seriously? That's ... it?

That's it for the "Summer of Flyers" releases, yes.

Also *ANECDOTE ALERT* I have three local Tyranid players who do just fine.

Venom, scourges and wracks, guarentee it.
Talos, grotesques and Chronos after that
Haemonculi, court, klaivex, vect, malys, duke, kherudhak-guy, drahzar and variants (second archon, I think) sprinkled in with everything.
Flyers last.

That's what I'm thinking. Is it impossible to want a Trueborn kit? No way I can caniballize all those warrior kits to get SCs. Not to mention there isn't a single Shardcarbine in the range, depsite being a prominant weapon. I could see them doing one, to be honest.

5 torsos and legs
7 or so heads
5 Shardcarbines
2 Dark Lances
2 Splinter Cannons

streamdragon wrote:

wyomingfox wrote:

streamdragon wrote:No Tervigon, no Tyrano Fex (double ugh), none of the special characters... but at least they gave us the Pyrovore! (triple ugh)

But don't forgett, they will be releasing (*exciting buildup*)...
this summer (*reaches cresendo*)...
the Harpy (*crickets chirping*)

Seriously? That's ... it?

Actually, the same rumours talk about a complete 2nd wave for Tyranids this fall. With Tyrannofex (incl Tervigon?), Ymgarl Stealer, boneswords and the Harpy, the latter not being part of the rumoured summer of flyers but of course fitting. But these all are rumours by stickmonkey and noone else up to now, so need more confirmation.

streamdragon wrote:I think I speak for all Tyranid players out there when I say " you GW. you."

I'm sorry, I forgot how all the Tyranid players had to wait 10+ years for their codex...

Modquisition on. Reminder, lets avoiding discussing individual posters' posting styles thank you.

Please Gods of 40k, deliver your faithful a venom kit and we shall rejoice!

Ozymandias wrote:

streamdragon wrote:I think I speak for all Tyranid players out there when I say " you GW. you."

I'm sorry, I forgot how all the Tyranid players had to wait 10+ years for their codex...

1. I'm talking about a second wave of models, not a 'Dex.

2. I'd have gladly waited 10+ years, as the last Dex was good and the new one is... well, not so good.

Again, I'm not saying DE don't deserve their dex, I'm not saying DE don't deserve their models, and I'm not saying Nids are somehow the red headed step children of 40k (whatup 'Crons... :( ). I'm saying that Nids got a crap codex with a bunch of nigh-necessary units that didn't get new models, and still don't have new models.

Bloodwin wrote:I just saw the announcement via twitter and I wondered what was missing. I'm rather annoyed about this as I'm still hoping for some Thunderwolves.

As for the marketing, I can see how it is frustrating but it's pretty much what Apple do.They dont say anything for ages and let the rumor mill do its thing. it seems to work for them and I dont see GW suffering (in the UK at least).

That is often the response when people complain about GW's consistently ridiculous marketing strategy (or in fact its consumer research. Anyone remember when they declared they were doing Plastic Catachans because Cats were the guard that sold best, missing completely the fact that Cats were the only range with a full selection of heavy/special weapons? Or the whole history of selling Marines for that matter..?)

...well anyway, that's what people say, but is GW really doing as well as all that?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4408763.stm 2005

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6233559.stm 2007

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12117510 2011 (After the bit on HMV.)

So I wonder if GW marketing is in fact all that effective, or if copying the "big boys" is the best route to follow for what they are trying to sell? Obviously there is a recession to be factored in there, but still...

streamdragon wrote:I'm not saying Nids are somehow the red headed step children of 40k

You saw the Tyranid FAQ? Yes, yes they are . Kinda strange given how they synergized so well with 4th Edition.

streamdragon wrote:I'd have gladly waited 10+ years, as the last Dex was good and the new one is... well, not so good.

The last dex was great...for 4rth edition (if a bit one-dimensional). It was really bad for 5th. The new dex is a big step up for 5th.

As for the Dark Eldar Models for Wave 2.5/3 (they recently got 5 metal models), I hope that the aethstetics of the models stay in line with the first release. I even felt that the recent metal models for the DE (except for the birds) were pretty cool. I haven't been so keen on the GK models just released.

I am hoping so much its the Voidraven Bomber and Haemonculi!

The Beastmaster and the Succubus are not still in the shops (in Spain at least). It would be an uncommon announcement by GW showing that they have a new wave of stuff ready when the previous one isn't still being sold.

Ok, this arcticle doesn't show pics of future waves, but since this is some kind of "yep, we're working on more DE stuff"... it's ok for me.

"We haven't forget DE again... yet!"

Im sorry, but i prefer my 115 point fex's, dont care if i cant take 9
Also, i have my harpy anyway *pokes gallery*
Cost £36 in parts, and has yet to do anything buy fail.


Back OT: Hoping to get some new goodies soon.
Venom isnt an issue as i wont be using them.

Void's would be nice, but if not im happy to steal an eldar version from FW.

Just started building 5 grotesques from rat ogres, so again, i dont need those.

also built 20 wracks from a mix of plague monk and ghoul parts lol.


However, would be nice to get some cheap plastic kits, rather than having to buy £30 worth of kits for a single 10 man unit. (or alot more in the case of the grotes.)

Bloodwin wrote:I just saw the announcement via twitter and I wondered what was missing. I'm rather annoyed about this as I'm still hoping for some Thunderwolves.

These are never coming out.

Too may other companies have made too much money jumping GW's IP with their own versions.

GW's logical response: scrap any plans for an official release and write them out of the next SW dex.

I'd put money on it...

CT GAMER wrote:
GW's logical response: scrap any plans for an official release and write them out of the next SW dex.

I'd put money on it...

I'd be inclined to agree. Especially if they hadn't got the molds started.

Also, when Arachnarok was announced/released did anyone else think 'wow, a tervigon conversion kit!'. What with the giant spider being on a completely seperate sprue. Hopefully we'll actually get a proper model, but you never know. I think the conversion is easy enough with existing kits. It just boils down to cost I guess.

Also, when Arachnarok was announced/released did anyone else think 'wow, a tervigon conversion kit!'

...yeah, I think everyone did. I saw more people talking about putting it in their 'nid army than buying it for Orcs.

Wanton and cruel in a way that even the most depraved mind could not hope to comprehend, the Dark Eldar are the epitome of cruelty and malice

Do you guys have no editors? Is no one double checking your copy?

Ouze wrote:Wanton and cruel in a way that even the most depraved mind could not hope to comprehend, the Dark Eldar are the epitome of cruelty and malice

Do you guys have no editors? Is no one double checking your copy?

lol, All of their work is edited by Forgeworld staff writ--uh copy/pasters.

Edited by FW after being written by Matt Ward.

Marriage made in heaven!

That sounds evil in a way that even the most evil mind could not hope to comprehend, such an arrangement would be the epitome of evil evil.

Evil evil?

Would that be double evil?

So intense man...

I love how everyone is talking about new Dark Eldar in here

More like grimdark eldar, amirite?

Yeah, the article is a little un-climactic, but hey, you DE players are finally getting you're love, so I say buck up and just appreciate that.

Samus_aran115 wrote:
That's what I'm thinking. Is it impossible to want a Trueborn kit? No way I can caniballize all those warrior kits to get SCs. Not to mention there isn't a single Shardcarbine in the range, depsite being a prominant weapon. I could see them doing one, to be honest.

Naa, i don't think that will come. As soon as the scourges come out, well have Shardcarbines. and for each special or heavy weapon we take, we have one Shardcarbine over....
not saying it wouldn't be awesome if it would come out.

Im really excited about the next wave. Im getting the succubi and a few other things on saturday(release day) and i guess i will have plenty of ways to convert it....

To all those, who are waiting on their stuff, i know how it feels and i know that i'm lucky enough its not me waiting.

then again, if your lucky enough to be irish, your lucky enough ;-)

H.B.M.C. wrote:Evil evil?

Would that be double evil?

So intense man...

It's actually bi-evil.

So it is evil, except that one time in college?

SonicPara wrote:I love how everyone is talking about new Dark Eldar in here

Well if GW didn't constantly spout out cryptic gak non-news that tell their customers precisely nothing we'd probably have something to actually discuss rather than GW spewing out more non-news and their childish attitude of "We know something you don't know! LULZ!"

Cerebrium wrote:Except it's not. It's basically saying "We're doing the haemonculi-related stuff now. Watch this space for big announcements later!"

except that "news" doesn't say anything about haemonculi-related stuff. and it just mention already released new models, and picture of already released in last year Urien.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Edited by FW after being written by Matt Ward.

I think you just shaved a few years off my life expectancy.

AlexHolker wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:Still, Kroot, it's another "We're going to release something soon... but we're not going to tell you what it is because... uhh... well just because!!!" announcement. In other words the type of 'marketing' only an imbecile would think is a good idea.

And people can't even use the usual excuse that they don't want to undermine sales of the previous kits, since those previous kits either don't exist or are OOP.

Well, there is a lot of sense to this marketing wise, if you care to think.

1. It directs traffic to ]theirwebsite.
2. It gets people signed up to their newsletter.
3. Arguably (okay this could be fairly tenuous) it stops scrotey knock offs being hastily sculpted by those wanting to offer, now how is it put? Ah yes.... 'competition'. Specifcally those looking to provide competition that can't be arsed to have something actually resembling an original idea or design...

But no, of course. Online scrotes know all marketing tricks, which is why the are online scrotes and not market leaders in their chosen industry. It wouldn't be fair to put their slapdash snap judgements into the market. It would give one side a massive advantage, leading to less 'competition'

Scottywan82 wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:Evil evil?

Would that be double evil?

So intense man...

It's actually bi-evil.

Evil squared.

Mr Mystery wrote:

AlexHolker wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:Still, Kroot, it's another "We're going to release something soon... but we're not going to tell you what it is because... uhh... well just because!!!" announcement. In other words the type of 'marketing' only an imbecile would think is a good idea.

And people can't even use the usual excuse that they don't want to undermine sales of the previous kits, since those previous kits either don't exist or are OOP.

Well, there is a lot of sense to this marketing wise, if you care to think.

1. It directs traffic to ]theirwebsite.
2. It gets people signed up to their newsletter.
3. Arguably (okay this could be fairly tenuous) it stops scrotey knock offs being hastily sculpted by those wanting to offer, now how is it put? Ah yes.... 'competition'. Specifcally those looking to provide competition that can't be arsed to have something actually resembling an original idea or design...

But no, of course. Online scrotes know all marketing tricks, which is why the are online scrotes and not market leaders in their chosen industry. It wouldn't be fair to put their slapdash snap judgements into the market. It would give one side a massive advantage, leading to less 'competition'

Laserburn. Heinlein. Dune. Tolkein. D+D.....

Damn them and their original ideas. Damn them all to hell.

Mr Mystery wrote:But no, of course. Online scrotes know all marketing tricks, which is why the are online scrotes and not market leaders in their chosen industry. It wouldn't be fair to put their slapdash snap judgements into the market. It would give one side a massive advantage, leading to less 'competition'

Lacking any actual coherent points, Mad Dok Mystery resorts to personal insutls against those that would dare question the will of the Mighty Games Workshop.

Mr Mystery wrote:But no, of course. Online scrotes know all marketing tricks, which is why the are online scrotes and not market leaders in their chosen industry.

This is the internets, brah. I'm reasonably sure you have no freaking idea what these "online scrotes" do or what their credentials are, or that they, in fact, are not market leaders blah blah. Just because they aren't flashing their MBA's from Harvard around doesn't mean they don't exist.

Did anyone else notice that on the "What's New Today" the Succubus concept art "confirms" plastic Scourges?

The second note on the bottom of the picture: "Should take range of plastic arms from Wyches, Warriors, and Scourges".

Sorry if it was obvious beforehand, it just makes me happy to have plastic Scourges confirmed.

Plastic Scourges is indeed good news, hopefully they are out soon.

The Fragile Breath wrote:Did anyone else notice that on the "What's New Today" the Succubus concept art "confirms" plastic Scourges?

The second note on the bottom of the picture: "Should take range of plastic arms from Wyches, Warriors, and Scourges".

Sorry if it was obvious beforehand, it just makes me happy to have plastic Scourges confirmed.

Good eye! Here's the image for those who don't feel like finding it. It's the second bullet point on the bottom list:

Wow, excellent eye and deduction! I read that, but it didn't click in my head that it meant plastic Scourges.

Awesome!

Nice Stuff Man!

The Fragile Breath wrote:Did anyone else notice that on the "What's New Today" the Succubus concept art "confirms" plastic Scourges?

The second note on the bottom of the picture: "Should take range of plastic arms from Wyches, Warriors, and Scourges".

Sorry if it was obvious beforehand, it just makes me happy to have plastic Scourges confirmed.

Glad I wasnt the only one to notice this.

I think that the "summer of flyers" is actually going to be the "summer of flying infintry" so there will be plastic shrikes, scourges and raptors.

And Vespid!


Aww, wait. They suck anyway.

Im glad someone as nice eyesight!

Quality artwork, with even better notes on it

I guess this means i dont have to make any more carbines from chopped splinter rifles?

۞ Jack ۞ wrote:Im glad someone as nice eyesight!

Quality artwork, with even better notes on it

I guess this means i dont have to make any more carbines from chopped splinter rifles?

I very much hope so! Here's to hoping that the Scourge models look as amazing as their codex artwork as well as all of the new Dark Eldar models have.

The Fragile Breath wrote:Here's to hoping that the Scourge models look as amazing as their codex artwork as well as all of the new Dark Eldar models have.

Which goes hand in hand with hoping they're not fashioned after the new the Dark Eldar Razorwings...

Archonate wrote:

The Fragile Breath wrote:Here's to hoping that the Scourge models look as amazing as their codex artwork as well as all of the new Dark Eldar models have.

Which goes hand in hand with hoping they're not fashioned after the new the Dark Eldar Razorwings...

To be quite honest, I do like the razorwings. That said, I don't want the Scourges to look like them, so we sort of have an agreement there. I have faith, even if you don't like the beasts (I wouldn't blame you, but I do like them) all of the actual beings of Dark Eldar so far have looked really awesome.

Cannot WAIT for these. Must have plastic Shard Carbines.... Trying to convert them has been a pain. I'm just waiting at this point.

Steelmage99 wrote:So it is evil, except that one time in college?

Once in college and once in band camp

Is there a timetable to this release?

really really soon i hope
I'm guessing maybe may time? sometime after greyknights no doubt.

hopefully see some pictures in maybe 2 or 3 weeks or I might just be being optimistic.

Got my fingers crossed for something this week.

What are these? the new pictures? wracks? haemonuculus (sp?)

I was just about to post these pics

My guess is that the 1st one is a talos/cronos and the second is a wrack/grotesque.

damn,... ninjaed. lol. was gonna throw these up in a new post. oh well.... looks like maybe talos/wrack models. the mask and pipe definitly say wrack/grotesque and the spikey carapace looks alot like concept art for the talos. (maybe its a dual pack...make either chronos or talos)

Both are same grotesque? In all latest preview like that it was same one model.
ps. where that was posted?

Was about to start a new thread but since its just an update of the same page on gw i decided to post here..seriously im so jealous of dark eldar players, their mini's have been well done so far compared to Gk's which have seen a storm over their new minis...

the pics can be found here
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?aId=14300134a

My first impression was, both are Talos/Cronos, looks too big for a blown up head of a Grotesque for me.
Comparing it with the Codex art, it seems to be head and front claw of the Talos.

Codex wrote:Each one is part organic and part mechanical.

BTW @ BrookM: Time to make the title less vague now?

Yeah, it definitely looks like haemonculus stuff, but I really hope the venom is still coming out.

I don't think the second pic is a talos, though. It looks like it has a fleshy neck and the talos illustration makes it look like it's mostly metal, though it's described as being organic too so I dunno, maybe I'm wrong.

Finally it seems that GW are starting to publish teasers rather than keep every detailed picture secret before it's actually up on advance order (besides some blurry leaks). My opinion for the pictures would be the first is the Talos (chronos too hopefully?) and the second is a Grotesque. Wracks appear too small in the artwork (they are still the same body size as the Dark Eldar they were in their past lives) for such a long, fleshy and brutal looking neck.

Re: Teasers - FW did it before GW, so there!

Wow, SO awesome! Love that Haemonculi are really getting the works in this codex. Super duper excited, and preview pics mean it will really be showing up by June! Must have.... Venom.. Scourge Carbines.... and Haemonculi...

I'm pretty sure both are of the talos. They match the artwork perfectly. Looks pretty good. I'll hold of my "spikes should be sharp" comments until I see the whole thing

Actually, the more I look at it... I seriously think Grotesque for the helmet picture. The other thing is obviously the Talos forearm.

Samus_aran115 wrote:I'll hold of my "spikes should be sharp" comments until I see the whole thing

I consulted the Sheriff on the matter of spike sharpness as well as his preference for blunted spikes and he rather rudely replied, "Because it's DULL, you twit, it'll hurt more!"




After helping build some Chaos items for a friend and working on a Cryx army of my own I can assure you my fingertips do not mind slightly blunt spikes.

Yea I would say those are pics of the talos/cronos and the grotesque. I was hoping for a venom pic not very excited about the grotesques as I doubt I will ever use them lol. Can't wait to see more though.

I'm just super happy for more plastics! I will likely get some if they are plastic kits, just to assemble/paint.

That's a movement worth supporting with my hard earned money.

i'd say the one of the left is either Haemonculus, or the Wracks/Grotesques

The one on the right is 90% going to be the Talos arm after looking at the codex picture !

Actually, look again at the Codex pictures: This "Farseer helmet" head and armour fits perfectly the Talos art but would look misplaced on a pinhead Grotesque. Remember that the Talos is explicitely made of flesh and mechanics. I am quite certain now, both are from the Talos plastic kit.

Kroothawk wrote:Actually, look again at the Codex pictures: This "Farseer helmet" head and armour fits perfectly the Talos art but would look misplaced on a pinhead Grotesque. Remember that the Talos is explicitely made of flesh and mechanics. I am quite certain now, both are from the Talos plastic kit.

Yeah, the grotesques have horizontal slits across their faces (as opposed to wracks, which have vertical slits). I'm agreeing with you here


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Samus_aran115 wrote:I'll hold of my "spikes should be sharp" comments until I see the whole thing

I consulted the Sheriff on the matter of spike sharpness as well as his preference for blunted spikes and he rather rudely replied, "Because it's DULL, you twit, it'll hurt more!"




After helping build some Chaos items for a friend and working on a Cryx army of my own I can assure you my fingertips do not mind slightly blunt spikes.

Oh, I agree, for sure! I just figured that DE were more fond of maiming things on their spikes, not bashing people over the head with them

sum1thtdiesalot wrote:

The Fragile Breath wrote:Did anyone else notice that on the "What's New Today" the Succubus concept art "confirms" plastic Scourges?

The second note on the bottom of the picture: "Should take range of plastic arms from Wyches, Warriors, and Scourges".

Sorry if it was obvious beforehand, it just makes me happy to have plastic Scourges confirmed.

Glad I wasnt the only one to notice this.

I think that the "summer of flyers" is actually going to be the "summer of flying infintry" so there will be plastic shrikes, scourges and raptors.

CSM needs a Codex that isn't garbage before they can make Raptors worth buying.

Sneak pics? Three months out?

Calling HBMC ...

Necroagogo wrote:Sneak pics? Three months out?

Calling HBMC ...

Why? those pics came right from GWs site. And the email came out today about Dark eldar in june

sum1thtdiesalot wrote:

Necroagogo wrote:Sneak pics? Three months out?

Calling HBMC ...

Why? those pics came right from GWs site. And the email came out today about Dark eldar in june

He was attempting to be witty, since HBMC is always complaining that GW doesn't do previews.

Ahhhhh I see now. Lol

Kanluwen wrote:

sum1thtdiesalot wrote:

Necroagogo wrote:Sneak pics? Three months out?

Calling HBMC ...

Why? those pics came right from GWs site. And the email came out today about Dark eldar in june

He was attempting to be witty, since HBMC is always complaining that GW doesn't do previews.

Ouch. Sorry, Kan. I'll try harder next time.

Minor rumour by Jokaero, not usually a rumour poster over at Warseer:

I spoke to a redshirt today who had recently been to the studio who told me to expect two metal special characters, believing more than likely for them to be the Baron and the Decapitator; he cited these choices based on the fact there are pictures of them in the codex and was fairly confident on this. (I'm sure Decapitator rumours were flying round ages ago.)

I put salt on my fries but a rumour is a rumour.

Knowing that there is a big chance of having more minis in June is knough for me.

I ate a bunch of mushrooms and tripped for hours in the woods till I became one with the universe and spoke with God.

He said plastic venom and scourges are next.

So it looks like:

Plastic: Talos/Cronos, Venom, Scourges, Razorwing
Metal: Wracks, Groteques
Blister: Haemonculi, Baron, Decapitator

Did I miss something?

I was in FLGS talking to one of the guys who works at GW HQ. He was doing the usual job of keeping very secretive about the whole thing although he did say he has seen them and there are several nice plastic kits. I asked if they were Haemonculus related and he just smiled and tried to sell me a Furioso and preorder Grey Knights!


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Killmaimburnkillmaimburn wrote:I was in FLGS talking to one of the guys who works at GW HQ. He was doing the usual job of keeping very secretive about the whole thing although he did say he has seen them and there are several nice plastic kits. I asked if they were Haemonculus related and he just smiled and tried to sell me a Furioso and preorder Grey Knights!


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One of the reasons why I got out of GW.. resisting the urge to punch smug staff giving it the "I can't tel you" smile.

ArbeitsSchu wrote:

Killmaimburnkillmaimburn wrote:I was in FLGS talking to one of the guys who works at GW HQ. He was doing the usual job of keeping very secretive about the whole thing although he did say he has seen them and there are several nice plastic kits. I asked if they were Haemonculus related and he just smiled and tried to sell me a Furioso and preorder Grey Knights!


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One of the reasons why I got out of GW.. resisting the urge to punch smug staff giving it the "I can't tel you" smile.

That doesnt seem so hard, does it.




Unless of course you have an anger problem.

I don't punch people every day!

Just messing with you.

I have an anger problem when people act like they are in the CIA when they are in fact simply menial staff selling me toys. It's tiresome. Its a little like when you talk to someone who is in the Cadets or the T.A, but mouths off as if they were SAS or Commando when they so very plainly are not. Boy scouts... gneh.

It is rather hard to not punch them when they either do the "I know something and you don't" dance or happily tell you about release X as if it just happened while it has been unveiled weeks before.

Though the "You play Elysians? Did you know that the Imperial Guard has plastic Valkyries now?!" comment still gets to me. It's a reflex, sorry.

In fairness, I did have more than a few GW staff friends who In shop would be "I cannot reveal the future of GrimDark War unto you, mere mortal", who in the pub ten minutes later would happily go "Yeah, so X is coming out on Y, and they're not doing C until the GrimDark future." And it cost GW NOT ONE IOTA of coin us all knowing what and when was going to happen. Apart from when some of us found out that X codex wasn't due for about two years, and that Y chap with the gun you actually needed was NEVER happening. Then it cost them, and dear. But if they will insist on failing to support their rules range with a complete figure range, its hardly surprising.

Killmaimburnkillmaimburn wrote:I was in FLGS talking to one of the guys who works at GW HQ. He was doing the usual job of keeping very secretive about the whole thing although he did say he has seen them and there are several nice plastic kits. I asked if they were Haemonculus related and he just smiled and tried to sell me a Furioso and preorder Grey Knights!

Well they do have to have something to cheer them up and help them forget they're being paid peanuts.

After I learnt how much GW folks get paid, it gave them a whole new line of sympathy with me. Back a while at least they had the pleasure of getting all their minis from the company and paid by weight... now I think it's only a 50% discount.

Are we sure it will be a Razorwing box/both flyers.
I have a feeling because they put a picture for the Razorwing and its almost identical to the FW Eldar equivalent in the dex that we may only get a Voidraven model out of this.

Any new news/rumors?

I'd like to know if I should hold off on creating a conversion for the venom (which involves both a raider and a vyper so it's quite pricey) or if I should wait for the plastic set in June! Any new info. would be greatly appreciated.

Wait for it! I believe it has been confirmed. And agreed, I personally doubt the 'summer of flyers' actually happening.

They'd have to be stupid not to put out a venom kit. What self-respecting Dark Eldar player isn't going to need at least 5 of them?

I don't!

Oh, wait, you said self-respecting... :(

I love how they took close up shots of some random spikes on a shoulder pad and that is supposed to feed the dark eldar frenzy? C'mon GW!

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

Killmaimburnkillmaimburn wrote:I was in FLGS talking to one of the guys who works at GW HQ. He was doing the usual job of keeping very secretive about the whole thing although he did say he has seen them and there are several nice plastic kits. I asked if they were Haemonculus related and he just smiled and tried to sell me a Furioso and preorder Grey Knights!

Well they do have to have something to cheer them up and help them forget they're being paid peanuts.

After I learnt how much GW folks get paid, it gave them a whole new line of sympathy with me. Back a while at least they had the pleasure of getting all their minis from the company and paid by weight... now I think it's only a 50% discount.

Yes, "Cost by weight of material" has been gone since before the demise of the bits service. Even when they had it, it was only available if you went to the US Bunker/Warehouse (Glen Burnie) in person.

Staff discount is 50% off GW, 25% off FW now.

Element206 wrote:I love how they took close up shots of some random spikes on a shoulder pad and that is supposed to feed the dark eldar frenzy? C'mon GW!

It's their first timid steps into the real world of marketing after several years of absence, so don't be too hard on them

I love how they took close up shots of some random spikes on a shoulder pad and that is supposed to feed the dark eldar frenzy? C'mon GW!

And clearly it worked, people can't stop talking about it.

Skelly wrote:Any new news/rumors?

I'd like to know if I should hold off on creating a conversion for the venom (which involves both a raider and a vyper so it's quite pricey) or if I should wait for the plastic set in June! Any new info. would be greatly appreciated.

An interview with Jes Goodwin in the first WD after the first release last fall confirmed the Venom kit (complete with Wych "hanging" crew) was done and ready for release. It ll be there eventually.

yeah,

Sidstyler wrote:They'd have to be stupid not to put out a venom kit. What self-respecting Dark Eldar player isn't going to need at least 5 of them?

I want three... now! seriously my army won't be playable till they are released.

DraconicGuardian wrote:An interview with Jes Goodwin in the first WD after the first release last fall confirmed the Venom kit (complete with Wych "hanging" crew) was done and ready for release..

GW release it now damn it... plus wych hanging crew will be awesome for my girls!

Panic...

I would have given my kidney for incubi hanging on instead.

I can easily swap a torso and arm for the wyches and raiders :(

Never mind that more people use 10 wyches on raiders and 5-man warrior squads in Venoms... lol.

Isn't that kind of a tiny squad of warriors?

Skarboy wrote:Never mind that more people use 10 wyches on raiders and 5-man warrior squads in Venoms... lol.

Haha, good point!

That close of pic of the spikes is the gauntlet of a talos. The pic matches exactly with the pic in the codex.

Kroothawk wrote:

Element206 wrote:I love how they took close up shots of some random spikes on a shoulder pad and that is supposed to feed the dark eldar frenzy? C'mon GW!

It's their first timid steps into the real world of marketing after several years of absence, so don't be too hard on them

Its previews/teasers like this that make me question if GW even has a marketing board

Scottywan82 wrote:Isn't that kind of a tiny squad of warriors?

Depends on what you want them to do. 5 warriors with a blaster, sybarite, and blast pistol in a Venom is a pretty standard configuration for a cheap scoring unit that can tank hunt with lance weapons and zap infantry with their Venom's splinter cannons. 150 pts for 12 splinter shots and 2 lance shots ain't bad.

Skarboy wrote:

Scottywan82 wrote:Isn't that kind of a tiny squad of warriors?

Depends on what you want them to do. 5 warriors with a blaster, sybarite, and blast pistol in a Venom is a pretty standard configuration for a cheap scoring unit that can tank hunt with lance weapons and zap infantry with their Venom's splinter cannons. 150 pts for 12 splinter shots and 2 lance shots ain't bad.

^This.^

DraconicGuardian wrote:

Skarboy wrote:

Scottywan82 wrote:Isn't that kind of a tiny squad of warriors?

Depends on what you want them to do. 5 warriors with a blaster, sybarite, and blast pistol in a Venom is a pretty standard configuration for a cheap scoring unit that can tank hunt with lance weapons and zap infantry with their Venom's splinter cannons. 150 pts for 12 splinter shots and 2 lance shots ain't bad.

^This.^

I run 5 wracks with a Liquefier in larger point games for a more durable scoring unit that murders foot infantry foolishly guarding objectives. The 5-man warriors as listed above do indeed work very well too.

Small, MSU type units are probably the BEST troop units for DE, in all honesty. I run 5-man wych squads with Haywires, too. I want access to the firepower and durability of the Venom (65 points of awesome) and a unit capable of scoring and/or contributing in some meaningful way. The bigger squads are ok, but only if you have a specific purpose and usually that's a retinue for an IC.

Please GW release a Venom model!! And make it look cool!

So Grey Knights are out... Tomb Kings will be shown next, then our sweet, sweet Dark Eldar wave 2?

Small update by Frgt/10 over at Warseer:

Polaria wrote:1st picture: The head of Wrack. See Codex: Dark Eldar p.19 the wrack on the very right of the picture. Even the angle of the neck is same.

its not a wrack, nor is it a grotesque

I can confirm the following plastic kits for June:

Talos/Cronos
Scourges
Venom
Razorwing*
Voidraven*

*Unsure whether the flyers will be 1 kit or 2 at this stage

All fairly obvious stuff that we all speculated about a while back, but I'm just putting the 100% on them now.

No idea (yet) if there will be any metal models for this wave.

Wracks/Grotesques/Haemonculi are almost certainly NOT happening in June (99% sure on this one)

But the Dude rightly points out:

He doesn't know of metals of any kind, but knows for 99% sure there will not be Wracks/Grotesques/Haemonculi of any kind.

Frgt/10 wrote:exactly
haemonculus stuff is almost certainly not coming, but i haven't heard if they're doing any SCs, etc

Something that was suggested in the Warseer TK thread that would also apply here is that the reason these releases might not be including any metal kits is because of the metal to resin changeover.

That's right, but Frgt/10 debunked that for the next 3 months. Just the usual metal splash release common for blisters these days.

I would be very surprised if the Razorwing and Voidraven were seperate kits.

This would require twice as much shelf space, different packaging and would probably contain many of the same parts in any case.

After these, unless they put out some metal blisters as well, we will only be left with Archon's court, Haemonculi, Wracks and Grotesques (plus half a dozen SCs) not accounted for from the new dex. Not too bad...

The only reason I could believe that the Razorwing and Voidraven are separate kits is if they are aimed more at the fliers expansion than the DE Wave release, with the Razorwing combined with an Eldar fighter and the Voidraven combined with an Eldar bomber.

I would be very surprised if we didn't see Wracks some time in the near future though even if they aren't plastic. Its rare that a Troops choice (at least thats what they will be 99% of the time) gets ignored for long.

Kroothawk wrote:Small update by Frgt/10 over at Warseer:

Polaria wrote:1st picture: The head of Wrack. See Codex: Dark Eldar p.19 the wrack on the very right of the picture. Even the angle of the neck is same.

its not a wrack, nor is it a grotesque

I can confirm the following plastic kits for June:

Talos/Cronos
Scourges
Venom
Razorwing*
Voidraven*

*Unsure whether the flyers will be 1 kit or 2 at this stage

All fairly obvious stuff that we all speculated about a while back, but I'm just putting the 100% on them now.

No idea (yet) if there will be any metal models for this wave.

Wracks/Grotesques/Haemonculi are almost certainly NOT happening in June (99% sure on this one)

AWESOME! Thanks Kroot for bringing that over. I'm going to have a very broke June. Guess we should be seeing some previews in about a month then!

So crazy excited for all this....

Frgt/10 wrote:exactly
haemonculus stuff is almost certainly not coming, but i haven't heard if they're doing any SCs, etc

Crap crap crap!!! I really wish they weren t waiting so long to release the most versatile and highly-used HQ in the army list!! I think most players have figured out that a couple of Haemys can really spike some of your heavy-hitting units making them even harder than they already are...

A friend of mine uses this Anima Tactic Miniature (Fallen Angel Ophiel, currently OOP) as Haemunculus:

Wow sweetness for June!

The new Tomb Kings lord guy could make a nice Haemmy with a couple DE bits a nice paint job....

Samus_aran115 wrote:The new Tomb Kings lord guy could make a nice Haemmy with a couple DE bits a nice paint job....

But isn't there that whole problem of him, I dunno, being a pharaoh skeleton?

Brother SRM wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:The new Tomb Kings lord guy could make a nice Haemmy with a couple DE bits a nice paint job....

But isn't there that whole problem of him, I dunno, being a pharaoh skeleton?

You are so superficial, the beauty is on the inside

/opens umbrella after awful pun

Erasoketa wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:The new Tomb Kings lord guy could make a nice Haemmy with a couple DE bits a nice paint job....

But isn't there that whole problem of him, I dunno, being a pharaoh skeleton?

You are so superficial, the beauty is on the inside

/opens umbrella after awful pun

lol I dont think that skeleton pharoahs have insides.

My TK with a GW has some guts in him...

Kroothawk wrote:A friend of mine uses this Anima Tactic Miniature (Fallen Angel Ophiel, currently OOP) as Haemunculus:

I use these currently:



With these as Wracks:

Minor update by Frft/10:

new info regarding june: apparently the voidraven isn't coming. only the razorwing is.
I've had 2 sources contradict each other now, so not 100% sure what to believe, but I'm more inclined to trust that it isn't going to be released in june.

jdp wrote:On a seperate note is the razorwing still going to be combo'ed as a nightwing?

i asked this exact question and got a resounding no
apparently the new razorwing model shares more similarities with the phoenix

That sound about right. People will buy the razorwing, convert it into a Voidraven and then buy the Voidraven when it comes out. I think I am sticking with my batwing for awhile.

I think these makes good Wracks / Grotesques



And these makes good Khymera


6 for Price of 1 GW Khymera hm yes want

What game is that from LunaHound?

army310 wrote:What game is that from LunaHound?

Enjoy :3

http://www.miniaturemarket.com/inc/sdetail/620111/449922

And where can one buy these little beauties?

I mite be dumb but i cant find Wracks / Grotesques look a likes.

Mite?



Unless converting was something one was looking forward to doing regardless of new releases, it might be worth waiting to see what DE are coming in June before undertaking such a project.

Here you go guys


http://www.miniaturemarket.com/scorpions

They are part of the second wave of OOP Rackham products

BTW thanks LunaHound, just found my stand-ins for Wracks

BrookM wrote:There is a picture of a haemoncu.. heamonao.. one of those fething torturers flanking the message: http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1550180a_Urien_Rakarth.jpg

That pretty boy there is Urien Rakarth (me)
It is a Haemonculus, so it could signify the release of the Covens, but the masters of torture often represtent the DE on a whole.
I think my friend told me that after tomb kings or in the same WD the DE's new release would be confirmed.

To the people looking to use Confrontation stand-ins for Wracks/Grots, I can tell you that the Aberration models are too big. They require a MC size base. I bought several of the Prime resin kits to use them for just that before I found out they were too big. I think they do, however, make a nice and unique-looking talos/chronos.

I'm liking some of those Rackham minis. Anyone know how a Golgoth sizes up against a Dreadnought?

Small update from Warseer:

Frgt/10 wrote:Wes you just handily reminded me of something; there is a battleforce incoming
I would assume this is also a june release.

10 warriors
10 wyches
1 raider
3 jetbikes

nothing too special, but a battleforce is a battleforce

75hastings69 wrote:As well as the June DE release there's also more stuff to come at the end of the summer

Flyers in August?

75hastings69 wrote:

Sami wrote:
Wracks (pending resin)
Grotesques
Court of the Archon (doubtful - perfect for custom conversions)

IIRC Wracks are metal and done already.
IIRC the other 2 I picked from your list are also already done

Sweet! Mostly psyched for the Venom, but I will pick up the other plastic sets if they are as sexy as the current ones.