What say ye nerdes of games? Ever been in a game that started to go uncomfortable places? Actually arrived at uncomfortable places?
I was once ina game where one of the characters was a gay pink furred minotaur, another was a demon possesed half-angel half-elf that shot lasers from her eyes. It was a few years ago so I don't remember the others but those two really stood. It got...akward. Partially becuase I was not warned ahead of time that this game went places such as that.
I once played a character that had a low charisma but would hit on everything that walked within shouting distance, but it never really went anywhere sexual.
This thread was inspired by the scene in COmmunity where Annie, playing a male character, graphically describes what he/she is doing to the elf maiden, played by Abed who is DM'ing.
Do you not want it in your games, not care, or do you play F.A.T.A.L.?
It's been known to occur, but we mostly fade to black as its not neccesary at the tabletop.
I've had some nasty Defiler encounters over the years, thankfully nine times out of ten, said Defiler minion ends up as bloody chunks on a cold stone floor.
Thats been mostly to shock mind, inspire hatred for the Garou players.
I have done full relationships via games, my best mate going all they way to marrying a female npc I was running stands out, the characters raising two kids as well.
This was from a game that went on for nine years, and accounted for around thirty years in game though.
It certainly got me over being embarrassed about referencing love and affection scenes in front of male gamers mind.
Although it probably helped I've nearly always had female players in there as well. So not as awkward.
I like to think (backed up by two female players comments) that my grasp of female Rping has got to 'near scary' levels as Aurelia puts it.
Not had a game go that way but I've got a book published for the D20 system called "The Book of Erotic Roleplay" to help with relationships, sex, pregnancy and a load of associated items and spells. Really the thing to remember is that people should have fun.
Hate to say this, but in terms of D&D Im a purest. What happens between characters when not at the table I could careless about. Many of my games involve couples.
However, Im a purest and a snob. You bring a Gay Pink Furred Minotaur to the table, you are either asked to leave or dead before the Party even leaves the Tavern and then you are asked to leave.
Half-Angel/Demon. feth no. Get that gak out of here. You want to play a Half Vampire Futa, go find someone else's High Fantasy to ruin. I have gak to do.
Comintern wrote:Hate to say this, but in terms of D&D Im a purest. What happens between characters when not at the table I could careless about. Many of my games involve couples.
Isn't that half the point of a role playing game though? Character interaction?
A lot of that can happen "off board". Indeed, a lot of my characters had extensive back stories to account for how they got to where they were and the kinds of choices they would make "in game" (both on and off the table top).
You can have a lot of fun if people are allowed to come up with background and interaction between characters outside of the normal "game time" - plus it can feed into the actual game itself, making it more interesting for everyone.
I see that I have a kindred spirit in comintern! I'm kind of the same way. I'd just rather play the game with the basic rules without a lot of extra craziness. I'm not opposed to things taking place outside of "game time" though. I just get annoyed by power gamers that look for every opportunity to make a complete OP character.
As to the OP, if it's done in a mature way and it comes up organically within the story I'm not against relationships in my games. Oddly, my wife played a womanizing male sorcerer and it was a lot of fun.
It has come up in games but we always "fade to black" for anything remotely sexual. Not that we'd be outraged, but it's not something I want to act out with a room of my best mates, really
I have done romance plots as a GM, that was a pretty big challenge. I picked a good PC to do it with so it worked out really nicely, but I wouldn't do it every game.
On weird PCs, I don't have a problem with it IF IT FITS THE GAME. I don't like it when someone doesn't bother having a chat to the other players and the GM about what sort of game it is before bringing in their wacky character. But we've done the "party of freaks" thing a few times (mostly D'n'D planescape) and it works out alright.
I've been storyteller for several Vampire the Masquerade campaigns and you often get some goof who wants to go seduce the laydees with his dominate and charisma.
I allow this to fade to black, then word of it gets back to the harpies of the city and the vampire gets a fairly disgusting reputation and is openly ridiculed (as in WoD, getting 'segsah' is considered a dreadful faux pas by kindred society).
I also in one case, had the object of the player's affections come back to haunt him after she'd been reworked into a particularly repulsive Szlachta. "You never called, you never even sent me a fething text message"....
In one situation, a husband and wife were both playing as PCs and the wife had determined she wanted an in-game relationship with a male NPC. It came off as awkward for the DM and for her husband -- although perhaps that was only my perception. What was not only me, however, was that every other PC besides the wife hated that NPC and continuously attempted to kill him. My character eventually did it, killing him and raising him again and again until he lost all of his levels. I also managed to soul trap him and threw the gem into the sea. That's right -- watching my IRL buddy's back in-game, yo.
You rogues! How dare you imply that such scandalous behaviour be appropriate for such a gentlemanly and formal endeavour as that of role playing.
Or on the other hand, as the only female we have playing with us is the DM's girlfriend (and he's smarter than to let her play in one of my games), there would be murder if there was any moves made, even in game. On the other hand, my characters have had relationships with NPCs. The fade to black method is the way to handle it, because he's too insecure in his masculinity and I'm typically drunk enough to be able to make it especially creepy for him. I've got a game where my character is actually going to be a father. My hopes are to at a later time be able to make up the child as a character and then play him in another game.
In my games it rarely comes up. When I give their characters down time and whatnot, if they want to hit some brothels or something I'm not going to tell them no, just let them know what they did and how much money they are down because of the "expieriance."
col. krazy kenny wrote:All i can remember was a pc being a Necrophiliac.Enough said.Also he had thing for orcs.i soon quit gaming with them weirdos.
Necro, an odd one I agree, although it is a potential flaw for one of the Vampire clans, Giovanni I think. Depends how it was done, but in general its a 'look at me' play most of the time I'd reckon, so not one I'd probably allow in my games unless the player has more plans than 'me fondle bodies' ...yeah, okay.
Orcs, well thats not so irregular, for me it depends on the setting, not all settings have orcs looking like someone has slapped them across the face with a clawhammer, and most settings are not single gender as GW Orcs are. WoW Orc females for example would be probably be attractive to anyone into female bodybuilding etc.
So the Orc stuff wouldn't bother me at all, half Orcs are pretty common in several settings.
col. krazy kenny wrote:All i can remember was a pc being a Necrophiliac.Enough said.Also he had thing for orcs.i soon quit gaming with them weirdos.
He wasn't a Necro, he was just thoroughly checking them for treasure.
Never come up in one of our groups, honestly, even though we've joked about using the Sex Rules that one book had if it ever did and forcing people to role play it. Probably had something to do about it.
Umm.. no.. especially after the one and only time our former DM tried to put it in his game... we, the party, walked in on a fertility rite in a halfling village.. read: A HALFLING ORGY!! We have been scarred for life now thank you very much.. there is only so much one's mind can take.. and a whole village of halflings "getting it on" like the world is gonna end tomorrow was too much for us....
nuff said... it's hurting my brain just thinking about this again...
On the hafling orgy,What about the good old fashioned xavarts from the orginal fiends folio And the description of how orks could not keep it in their loin clothes and was perverted.Goin aruond and molesting goblins.
I do NOT want to know what happens if you roll a 1 for intercourse. Nope. Aint going there.
But........
True story......
On a quest to destroy the eye of Vecna, the lands around the volcano it had to be thrown into were overrun with dragons guarding the place. I used a wish to "make all dragons and dragon like creatures within 100 miles get the sudden and uncontrollable urge to mate with each other".
The DM's jaw dropped.
Hilarity ensued as we casually walked up to the volcano and threw the eye down the crater.
One of the PC's was quoted as saying "Look at all the f_ing dragons"
As always, when you don't want your players to act things out you have dice to handle these situations. If a player manages to seduce a lady or man or winsome sheep, you can simply ask them for dexterity and stamina checks until the hooting and hollering dies down, then declare the willing partner or farmbeast satisfied.
Zealots of Grawdyng were the worst for this! Although fortunately, they didn't engage in much seductive dialogue or 'pillow talk'.
meh, I have a friend that is into the relationship or hitting on the nearest female npc. It brings up laughs but I play my roleplaying to fill out my heroic fantasy needs not my sexual ones.
Well, we have, but only for laughs. Its not like we are fapping under the table or anything. We have a few running gags in our games that I can't post here.
So i guess,Roleplaying with the misses is out of the question.No dice needed.I once wore a toolbelt,I will leave that for your imagination.Lets just say i was a plumber their to snake and drain.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Just having fun.With this one.
When it comes down to it I don't mind if characters want to try and seduce the occasional npc but I don't want the game to continually grind to a halt while a single player goes about his tom-foolery and everyone else grows increasingly uncomfortable or just plain bored. So, when these things occur the scene is skipped out of courtesy to the other players...unless they want to actively interfere, in which case game-on. If there are multiple players trying to interact sexually with npc's and/or each other they can find another GM. I'm not going to go through the work to put together a campaign to see it played out as a ridiculous roleplaying skit.
Now people say war/rpg gaming is for nerds or geeks - many of us disagree, but when you start having a relationship with an elf in an rpg game, and start getting it on in 'the paper world', now that is too far...
One of the groups I'm involved in has a dom as the DM and several busty women as players. It comes up a lot both in and out of game. In my other three groups it never comes up outside of a "fade to black."
This sort of thing happened maybe once awhile back. It was some cat and his wife being stupid, bringing thier BS to the table. We had about three or four other people sitting around looking at each other like WTF? Then they started in on thier BS "antics". After the game, they were pretty much laughed at for being so distracting.
I'm not a big fan of this sort of stuff when I've got !@#$ to do, as well. For one thing, these people are clowns for bringing this up in out of the blue. Wasn't called for, didn't have anything to do with killing kobolds, or gutting the orcs. It was just done to be distracting by the guy and his wife. Rubbing our face in it, because they could. Needless to say they were absant from then on till I stopped playing with that group. Someone "forgot" to ask them back or something.
From your film there, Feth her. I'm going out ordering pizza at that point. Let meally mouth and she-he play on thier own. I've got other stuff to do then ego stroke someones ... ego. I don't like playing with one hit wonders who want to showboat the table, while you have six or so other people sitting around getting sidetracked and distracted. Instant game killer, if not shown your pimp hand.
As with most people here, our group is very much of the mind that love and lust will be driving forcing for many characters, and any player can go off for a romp, but actually describing it in character, or having anyone roll dice besides the charisma rolls to see if the wench falls for it is just weird.
Many characters get laid, but fade to black is all that is needed.
Our game of D&D is pretty open, when I joined it a Female Character, played by a female, had been drugged and raped by Ogres. And became pregnant and gave birth to 3 Babies, One Ogre One human and one half ogre.
There has also been a ship captin that has con barking mad and now has a penchant for Dogs, and we have found him in the top floor of an Inn With a Male Dog inside him and knotted together!
It goes odd places, but it is always soo funny. mm and there was also the transvestine piss drinking prostitute!
There does not tend to be minute detail, just general over views of the situation.
M0rdain wrote:Our game of D&D is pretty open, when I joined it a Female Character, played by a female, had been drugged and raped by Ogres. And became pregnant and gave birth to 3 Babies, One Ogre One human and one half ogre.
And here I thought that talking your girl into putting on the schoolgirl outfit for a night was kinky...
There does not tend to be minute detail, just general over views of the situation.
Thank god for small mercies.
That post was borderline with regards to what we do/don't allow on the board. I'm sure no offence was intended, but if we can be a bit careful with regards to language and the way we phrase things it'd be cool.
Potato_God wrote:We play Cyberpunk 2020, and one of our PC's was a streetwalker, so sex would come up occasionally, but would ususally jump to a fade to black.
This thread has been a bit helpful and alot of LOL.
I managed to get my hands on the Erotic Book of Fantasy... alot of good ideas and rationale, yet, the authours' preferences are blatantly pushed throughout the book. Editting fail.
Sex and romance? In fantasy? Why I've never heard of such a thing!
I've read dozens of heroic fantasy books in which sex and romance played key roles to plot points. Arbitrarily ruling it out of a game because it's 'not appropriate to heroic fantasy' is nonsense. And it doesn't need to be played for laughs either, as long as you have a mature and sensible group then you can get some really good gaming in there. If you're just playing 'kick the door down, punch the orc in the face, and take his stuff' then it's probably not going to come up, but if you have more social interaction then romantic interests on the part of the PCs can make for really good campaigns for all involved.
Roleplaying characters who behave like real people with regard to romance is nerdy, but shying away from any emotional content in order to keep your game 'pure' from the corrupting influence of emotion is not? Come on guys.
htj wrote:as long as you have a mature and sensible group
Here is your problem, we are talking about people who play RPG's, not mature and sensible people.
Erotic Roleplay is just the sex part, that is why it isn't called Relationship Roleplay. I don't think characters having relationships has been questioned, it is when it they want to start rp'ing the sexual encounters that it can be problematic for some, maybe not for others. Thus the question in the title.
If we're talking truly sexual encounters (of varying CR) then, yeah, I'm in the fade to black camp. I was more reacting to some of the antipathy towards any kind of romantic content in RP, especially the idea that this kind of 'ick, feelings!' reaction is somehow less nerdy. Everyone I know who plays RPGs, and certainly the group I GM for, are mature and sensible people, but I guess I'm just lucky.
If we're talking truly sexual encounters (of varying CR) then, yeah, I'm in the fade to black camp. I was more reacting to some of the antipathy towards any kind of romantic content in RP, especially the idea that this kind of 'ick, feelings!' reaction is somehow less nerdy. Everyone I know who plays RPGs, and certainly the group I GM for, are mature and sensible people, but I guess I'm just lucky.
It just seem kind of lame describing make-believe sex with your RPG character around a bunch of grimy nerds. Fade to black seems a lot less awkward.
Cheesecat wrote:It just seem kind of lame describing make-believe sex with your RPG character around a bunch of grimy nerds. Fade to black seems a lot less awkward.
I agree with that. As I said, I'm pro-roleplayed-romance, anti-roleplayed-sex. There's a whole other kind of roleplaying for that kind of thing.
Cheesecat wrote:It just seem kind of lame describing make-believe sex with your RPG character around a bunch of grimy nerds. Fade to black seems a lot less awkward.
I agree with that. As I said, I'm pro-roleplayed-romance, anti-roleplayed-sex. There's a whole other kind of roleplaying for that kind of thing.
Well lust and love aren't always the same thing, although they can often be related. It's a lot less weird in my opinion to role-play romance over sex.
Cheesecat wrote:It just seem kind of lame describing make-believe sex with your RPG character around a bunch of grimy nerds. Fade to black seems a lot less awkward.
I agree with that. As I said, I'm pro-roleplayed-romance, anti-roleplayed-sex. There's a whole other kind of roleplaying for that kind of thing.
Well lust and love aren't always the same thing, although they can often be related. It's a lot less weird in my opinion to role-play romance over sex.
Absolutely. Personally, I would find it tacky to roleplay out a sex-scene. That's a private moment between characters, after all. Even NPCs deserve some privacy. What I was disagreeing with was the idea that all romantic interaction should be cut out of RP. The only reason to cut it is if it's making people feel awkward. Which, to be fair, some people will feel.
Cheesecat wrote:It just seem kind of lame describing make-believe sex with your RPG character around a bunch of grimy nerds. Fade to black seems a lot less awkward.
I agree with that. As I said, I'm pro-roleplayed-romance, anti-roleplayed-sex. There's a whole other kind of roleplaying for that kind of thing.
Well lust and love aren't always the same thing, although they can often be related. It's a lot less weird in my opinion to role-play romance over sex.
Absolutely. Personally, I would find it tacky to roleplay out a sex-scene. That's a private moment between characters, after all. Even NPCs deserve some privacy. What I was disagreeing with was the idea that all romantic interaction should be cut out of RP. The only reason to cut it is if it's making people feel awkward. Which, to be fair, some people will feel.
Totally, if romance is pulled off well and is more believable than the average Hollywood movie then I have no problem just don't bring up in-depth details of sex.
I had a great example of this in an Eberron campaign I ran recently. A particularly naive PC (the character, not the player) engaged with a surprisingly tender and painfully awkward (again, character) romance throughout the campaign. It culminated in him losing his innocence in a tasteful fade to black. Really added depth to the character and to the whole campaign.
htj wrote:as long as you have a mature and sensible group
Here is your problem, we are talking about people who play RPG's, not mature and sensible people.
Erotic Roleplay is just the sex part, that is why it isn't called Relationship Roleplay. I don't think characters having relationships has been questioned, it is when it they want to start rp'ing the sexual encounters that it can be problematic for some, maybe not for others. Thus the question in the title.
You are also forgetting that many who play RPGs have never had a relationship... or sex... hence, the reason for Rulebooks to explain how it is to be accomplished "in-universe"... they have no experience in the real world in order to bring with them to the RP... aside from their imaginations.
htj wrote:as long as you have a mature and sensible group
Here is your problem, we are talking about people who play RPG's, not mature and sensible people.
Erotic Roleplay is just the sex part, that is why it isn't called Relationship Roleplay. I don't think characters having relationships has been questioned, it is when it they want to start rp'ing the sexual encounters that it can be problematic for some, maybe not for others. Thus the question in the title.
You are also forgetting that many who play RPGs have never had a relationship... or sex... hence, the reason for Rulebooks to explain how it is to be accomplished "in-universe"... they have no experience in the real world in order to bring with them to the RP... aside from their imaginations.
Wait there's RPG's that have rules for sex and romance?!?
htj wrote:as long as you have a mature and sensible group
Here is your problem, we are talking about people who play RPG's, not mature and sensible people.
Erotic Roleplay is just the sex part, that is why it isn't called Relationship Roleplay. I don't think characters having relationships has been questioned, it is when it they want to start rp'ing the sexual encounters that it can be problematic for some, maybe not for others. Thus the question in the title.
You are also forgetting that many who play RPGs have never had a relationship... or sex... hence, the reason for Rulebooks to explain how it is to be accomplished "in-universe"... they have no experience in the real world in order to bring with them to the RP... aside from their imaginations.
Wait there's RPG's that have rules for sex and romance?!?
Wow, that was hilarious. Anyways I think that perfectly explains why RPG players don't need a role-playing book that goes in-depth on sex part of RPG's.
It was good for a laugh and I toyed with the idea of creeping out my gaming group with some of the weirder parts of the book, but decided against it. There are rules for an STD in that book known as "Azure Balls" IIRC, which made me chuckle a bit in spite of myself.
I dont play RPGs (tried once no one in my area was into it) But I kinda look at them as a chance to be something your not or make your charecter behave in ways you would not in real life.
I can get laid in real life I cannot however slay a dragon or cast spells so it seems a bit odd
to waste time on erotic roleplay in the same way it would be boring to RP your guy doing the dishes or some other mundane task.
What about encounters with a succubus? It always leads to some type of "sexual" experience.
Heck, in a campaign I am playing in, a Pathfinders game, I have demons chasing my character because her mother was a celestial demon hunter of renown (my character is a Human Celestial Sorceress/Fighter multiclass) which would hunt demons in the planes and piked their heads on the end of a spear to display them to all the other demons. To make a very long winded story short (I written up a several page background story for my character), they are after the soul of the daughter of the famous demon hunter as it would be worth a ton in the hells so the demons decided to suduce my party with succubi and assault us with Ice Devils and several other dudes. It ened up with the Barbarian in our group clutching with the succubus and basically stripping naked before the Barbarian's superstition kicked in and he totally lopped off her head with a giant axe.
Honestly, I think going as far as intercourse, I also agree with the "fade to black" scene.
One of the reasons I'm an advocate of having relationships in our games, is other than the fact it's an entirely natural idea. (Folks in fantasy settings need relationships as well. )
Is the result of said relations, some key NPC's in my fantasy setting, and even occasional new games have been based around the children from previous character relationships.
It can make things pretty interesting when you are playing the 6th generation family head of the character who formed the family a couple hundred years before.
Especially when one of your pals is an Elf who knew said great... (enter multiple) Grandfather as a friend.
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:One of the reasons I'm an advocate of having relationships in our games, is other than the fact it's an entirely natural idea.
And I don't think anyone has disagreed with that sentiment at all. RPG's are really about relationships and fighting so it is important. Describing a sexual encounter is not the same thing as having a relationship and is the question that was raised, not "Should their be relationships in RPG's?".
And Ahtman, that was probably a reading comprehension fail by myself.
I thought someone had suggested that they'd not do any kind of relationships, but it seems it wasn't as servere as I thought, reading back.
My current character is married and has a daughter. It seems normal. I did have to warn off our half-orc and swashbuckler with threats of soul imprisonment in the shadowfell or somesuch since they are orc/man-sluts.
htj wrote:@AvatarForm. I'm having difficulty understanding your stance. Just to clear things up for me, are you for erotic encounters, or against them?
Against them, however, prepared to handle them tastefully when they arise.
htj wrote:@AvatarForm. I'm having difficulty understanding your stance. Just to clear things up for me, are you for erotic encounters, or against them?
Against them, however, prepared to handle them tastefully when they arise.
The oppurtunity for a 'that's what she said' there is being resisted only by my sterling resolve and my inherent British revulsion for anything involving bodyparts between the knee and shoulders. Disgusting.
htj wrote:@AvatarForm. I'm having difficulty understanding your stance. Just to clear things up for me, are you for erotic encounters, or against them?
Against them, however, prepared to handle them tastefully when they arise.
The oppurtunity for a 'that's what she said' there is being resisted only by my sterling resolve and my inherent British revulsion for anything involving bodyparts between the knee and shoulders. Disgusting.
Thanks for clearing that up for me, AvatarForm.
Kids these days... no respect.
Im guessing "That's what she said" is the new "Yo mumma" joke?
htj wrote:@AvatarForm. I'm having difficulty understanding your stance. Just to clear things up for me, are you for erotic encounters, or against them?
Against them, however, prepared to handle them tastefully when they arise.
The oppurtunity for a 'that's what she said' there is being resisted only by my sterling resolve and my inherent British revulsion for anything involving bodyparts between the knee and shoulders. Disgusting.
Thanks for clearing that up for me, AvatarForm.
Kids these days... no respect.
Im guessing "That's what she said" is the new "Yo mumma" joke?
Kids!? You wound me, sir. I'm pushing thirty. Mentally, though, I'm a mixture of 80 year old man, and 6 year old. It's got me through so far.
I've got to say, it's nice that what could have been an extremely immature thread has, in the main, been populated by well thought out and voiced opinions.
This is the third printing of Palladium, not the current version, it is a staple that players are expected to go insane at some point for one of several reasons. Basically a traumatic experience, eg dying and resurrected, swallowed by a hideous monster etc. You get the idea.
D100
1-19 Affective disorder - think OCD
20 - 50 Neurosis - This is the 'interesting one'
51 - 75 Phobia - scared of something, cats, open spaces etc.
76 - 100 Pychosis - Paranoia, schizophrenia etc. This includes the pychosis 'Become a psychiatrist'
Neurosis.
1-18 Fear of the Dark
19-34 Fear of Animals
35-49 Compulsive Liar
50-64 Sexual Deviation
65-85 Fear of Heights
86-100 Fear of success
Wow, there are some things on that table that I don't think I personally would be comfortable role-playing or having role played around me. Really though, as far as role playing involving sex, I didn't come to do that kind of stuff. For example, in DH, sure my guy would have some attraction to the opposite sex but over all I personally feel that he has more important things on his plate than that. Surviving being on there. Overall I don't really see a need for such things though. Personal taste I guess.
The Foot wrote:Wow, there are some things on that table that I don't think I personally would be comfortable role-playing or having role played around me.
That's what makes you uncomfortable?
Not the fact that Palladium thinks that a traumatic experience can cause sexually deviant neurosis that turns you gay?
We're not talking the "trauma" of finding out your date is actually gay in a hotel room after prom, we're talking "Guys, I've gone insane after being swallowed by that sand worm. I think it turned me gay."
Agreed, the entire table is a little off. Probably why it was removed in later editions.
Palladium brought to you by the makers of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles RPG.
However I would also point out that at the end of the day, it's your game. What goes into it is up to no-one but you. If you don't like it, ditch it. We did.
Saying cheers at this point just doesn't seem right somehow.
Not the fact that Palladium thinks that a traumatic experience can cause sexually deviant neurosis that turns you gay?
We're not talking the "trauma" of finding out your date is actually gay in a hotel room after prom, we're talking "Guys, I've gone insane after being swallowed by that sand worm. I think it turned me gay."
It is more of the idea that you would be "forced" to roleplay something like pedophilia. If someone wants to make a character that thinks children are attractive or something ok, whatever. I haven't really encountered any gay people that are gay because of some crazy thing that happened to them. Although I haven't played that game so maybe something like that kind of insanity table is the norm? The only insanity table I have seen is in DH.
I think it's pretty dodgy to have a table of "sexual deviations" and put sexual fetishes and homosexuality alongside something like paedophilia.
The book of erotic roleplay mentioned earlier is quite clear that it's supposed to be fun and that gamers playing heroic characters would always do things which are consensual. Characters raping others is the clear work of villains, maybe some people play that way but the Book of Erotic Roleplay for instance makes it clear it won't cater for that.
No one is forced to do anything in an RPG. A good DM is not going to demand you change your character's personality to become a paedophile or a necrophiliac on the roll of a table.
I agree with what all of you guys are saying about homosexuality being included in the table. But if you look at ts boundaries compared to some of the other things, I think its there to sort of be an easy escape from bad stuff. I don't think its actually intended as a mental disorder, just a change of mind as such.
scarskull5 wrote:I agree with what all of you guys are saying about homosexuality being included in the table. But if you look at ts boundaries compared to some of the other things, I think its there to sort of be an easy escape from bad stuff. I don't think its actually intended as a mental disorder, just a change of mind as such.
No-one's 100% on what makes one person homosexual and another not, but the scant evidence we've got suggests it might actually be a genetic thing. Mental trauma shouldn't affect the gender you are sexually attracted to, in that case.
How old is the book, because although my first reaction was to raise an eyebrow with a negative light looking at that table, it wasn't all that long ago they where both considered similar.
Pedophilia and Homosexuality I mean. Looking back now, thats seems bizarre, but it was where the mental health boffins where at a number of years back.
Course in all likelyhood this came out years since that was changed, so I still have to frown at the person who wrote that table. Seems just a stupid call.
@htj - very true, in fact some folks looking into it are even considering the possibility that it is a evolutionary thing, when a species reaches a certain level to slow the number of children being produced.
That made my mind take a Whoa, moment when I was reading that due to the possibilities.
In all likelyhood I would say for many there is no choice however. A friend of mine knew she was a Lesbian in her childhood, and had a strict Christian upbringing with no media influences that might have 'corrupted' her. So it's not as clear cut as some folks seem to think it is. (Around the world, not this thread.)
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:@htj - very true, in fact some folks looking into it are even considering the possibility that it is a evolutionary thing, when a species reaches a certain level to slow the number of children being produced.
Woah. That really is a bit of a trip. It would be amazing if this turns out to be true.
I guess this discussion brings us back to the OP. It doesn't seem right that a game would tell you how to play. However, the nice thing is, at least not at my table, nobody has a gun and forces us to play in ways that people don't want to play. Running a game for a bunch of active and former military a lot of wierd stuff comes up too.
The Foot wrote:Running a game for a bunch of active and former military a lot of wierd stuff comes up too.
Boy howdy. Our former Army guy is the WORST. Oldest member of the group, but the most immature. He never knows where the line is or when it's been crossed.
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:How old is the book, because although my first reaction was to raise an eyebrow with a negative light looking at that table, it wasn't all that long ago they where both considered similar.
I think it was first published in the mid-80s. Palladium is somewhat infamous for reusing text (And this means they did 'copy and paste' when it actually meant copying a block of text and pasting it down on a layout board by hand) so it quite likely was used for several years over a few different books.
htj wrote:No-one's 100% on what makes one person homosexual and another not, but the scant evidence we've got suggests it might actually be a genetic thing. Mental trauma shouldn't affect the gender you are sexually attracted to, in that case.
Quite a lot of paedophiles are themselves the victims of abuse and go on to create a cycle of abuse so it's quite a different case to homosexuality. Contrary to what some wish to claim you can't "catch the gay" even if you have gay parents, whereas paedophilia is primarily based in abuse not love and can be related to childhood trauma.
htj wrote:No-one's 100% on what makes one person homosexual and another not, but the scant evidence we've got suggests it might actually be a genetic thing. Mental trauma shouldn't affect the gender you are sexually attracted to, in that case.
Quite a lot of paedophiles are themselves the victims of abuse and go on to create a cycle of abuse so it's quite a different case to homosexuality. Contrary to what some wish to claim you can't "catch the gay" even if you have gay parents, whereas paedophilia is primarily based in abuse not love and can be related to childhood trauma.
htj wrote:No-one's 100% on what makes one person homosexual and another not, but the scant evidence we've got suggests it might actually be a genetic thing. Mental trauma shouldn't affect the gender you are sexually attracted to, in that case.
Quite a lot of paedophiles are themselves the victims of abuse and go on to create a cycle of abuse so it's quite a different case to homosexuality. Contrary to what some wish to claim you can't "catch the gay" even if you have gay parents, whereas paedophilia is primarily based in abuse not love and can be related to childhood trauma.
Maybe genetic's not the word I'm looking for. I don't mean hereditary, rather that it's part of your physical makeup. My biology is no where near good enough to be 100% on this, though.
Catch the gay sounds like a party game. Although not a very nice one.
htj wrote:No-one's 100% on what makes one person homosexual and another not, but the scant evidence we've got suggests it might actually be a genetic thing. Mental trauma shouldn't affect the gender you are sexually attracted to, in that case.
Quite a lot of paedophiles are themselves the victims of abuse and go on to create a cycle of abuse so it's quite a different case to homosexuality. Contrary to what some wish to claim you can't "catch the gay" even if you have gay parents, whereas paedophilia is primarily based in abuse not love and can be related to childhood trauma.
Maybe genetic's not the word I'm looking for. I don't mean hereditary, rather that it's part of your physical makeup. My biology is no where near good enough to be 100% on this, though.
Catch the gay sounds like a party game. Although not a very nice one.
It probably is based on genetics more than environmental (at least a combination of the two), but sexuality isn't binary, it would be genetically complex which allows not only for a spectrum of bisexuality but all the nuanced forms that sexuality and sexual attraction takes.
What I was disagreeing with was the idea that all romantic interaction should be cut out of 
