I'm looking forward to it as well. Though at 34 years old, I'm reaching the point where I shouldn't really be going to see films starring scantily clad young girls. This will be the very definition of guilty pleasure
Flashman wrote:I'm looking forward to it as well. Though at 34 years old, I'm reaching the point where I shouldn't really be going to see films starring scantily clad young girls. This will be the very definition of guilty pleasure
I'm 40 in two months....and see no reason to stop.
Flashman wrote:I'm looking forward to it as well. Though at 34 years old, I'm reaching the point where I shouldn't really be going to see films starring scantily clad young girls. This will be the very definition of guilty pleasure
If creepy old men like us don't go to see this kind of movie what's left? Boys who won't really appreciate a pigtailed blonde in a japanese schoolgirl uniform and a katana fighting a 20 foot tall samurai wielding what surely must be a GAU-8?
Flashman wrote:I'm looking forward to it as well. Though at 34 years old, I'm reaching the point where I shouldn't really be going to see films starring scantily clad young girls. This will be the very definition of guilty pleasure
If creepy old men like us don't go to see this kind of movie what's left? Boys who won't really appreciate a pigtailed blonde in a japanese schoolgirl uniform and a katana fighting a 20 foot tall samurai wielding what surely must be a GAU-8?
I am going to see it, but I am bothered by a few things:
Spoiler:
I don't like that it is all in her head. I really wish the realm portrayed in the movie was presented as a real world. I would rather have the option to suspend disbelief with all the dragons, samurai robots, etc. than know that it is all in her head from the start. Kind of ruins it for me.
Lord Scythican wrote:I am going to see it, but I am bothered by a few things:
Spoiler:
I don't like that it is all in her head. I really wish the realm portrayed in the movie was presented as a real world. I would rather have the option to suspend disbelief with all the dragons, samurai robots, etc. than know that it is all in her head from the start. Kind of ruins it for me.
Agreed. If nothing really happens to the protagonists who cares? That was my problem with Inception (plus it bored me).
Depends how they treat the subject. If it creates psychological tensions that puts her in danger then fine. Is a good poin, Lord S and Fraz. It just becomes tricksy cgi candy.
Avatar 720 wrote:So when do they start secksing each other?
I suspect that will be left to the imagination of the viewer, which kind of relects the theme of the film when you think about it (you know, fantasising )
It would be pretty bad for suspension of disbelief in an action movie if nothing bad could happen to the protagonists, so to be honest I don't think they would do that....
Hmmm... I think they will put something in there that if they die in there dreams they will die in real life, or maybe wake up lobotomised or insane or something.
I work next to a strip club. OT, I demand good movies, video games and books. Not 60's era "Girl in the gold boots" type films. If a guy wants to look at hot chicks for two hours I know a place. I demand good films and good female actors.
SpaceMonk wrote:It would be pretty bad for suspension of disbelief in an action movie if nothing bad could happen to the protagonists, so to be honest I don't think they would do that....
Hmmm... I think they will put something in there that if they die in there dreams they will die in real life, or maybe wake up lobotomised or insane or something.
Looking at trailer 3, it appears that their fantasy runs parallel to their real lives. So when the big samurai robot with assault cannon crashes through the door, it's actually the manager/head therapist of the lunatic asylum bursting into their room.
sexiest_hero wrote:I work next to a strip club. OT, I demand good movies, video games and books. Not 60's era "Girl in the gold boots" type films. If a guy wants to look at hot chicks for two hours I know a place. I demand good films and good female actors.
I just wanna see the 20ft tall samurai with an auto-cannon...
And it is a Science-fiction action movie that references a heap of gak I like (WWII, Martial Arts, Robots, Samurai etc, etc)
The fact that it has dolled up chicks is cool but of little consequence IMO ...
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Flashman wrote:
SpaceMonk wrote:It would be pretty bad for suspension of disbelief in an action movie if nothing bad could happen to the protagonists, so to be honest I don't think they would do that....
Hmmm... I think they will put something in there that if they die in there dreams they will die in real life, or maybe wake up lobotomised or insane or something.
Looking at trailer 3, it appears that their fantasy runs parallel to their real lives. So when the big samurai robot with assault cannon crashes through the door, it's actually the manager/head therapist of the lunatic asylum bursting into their room.
Interesting and creative theory there Flashman sound good either way
Lord Scythican wrote:I am going to see it, but I am bothered by a few things:
Spoiler:
I don't like that it is all in her head. I really wish the realm portrayed in the movie was presented as a real world. I would rather have the option to suspend disbelief with all the dragons, samurai robots, etc. than know that it is all in her head from the start. Kind of ruins it for me.
Agreed. If nothing really happens to the protagonists who cares? That was my problem with Inception (plus it bored me).
I get that things happen in the movie. Her imagination is covering up real events. (I guess this isn't a spoiler since it shows all this in the preview). I think scenes like the giant robot is actually her fighting an orderly. It just seems so weird. I would rather it be revealed at the very end or something. Actually I want a movie like this that is portrayed as real. I don't care for mental dragons...
I think there will be a point to it all. She is empowering herself through her imagination and is actually doing stuff to get out of the hospital. The guy that is telling her to gather stuff could be a psychiatrist that is trying to help her. Dragons are guards, etc.
But regardless I would rather the movie be something like Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow. Imagine if 300 was revealed to be a guy in a mental hospital fighting orderlys. That would be weird. I am still going to watch it this Friday though...
I saw the preview and I thought something like this:
complete stream of consciousness here, forgive the jumping around...
dudes.
not just dudes. dudes who like comics
not just dudes who like comics, but dudes who play video games about comics about dudes who play video games ONLINE about online comics that may or may not include leather chicks with gunsa and swords but most likely may, but if not, they hired awesome video game graphic dudes to make the badguys who were - like totally evil looking just like the end-of-the-level-guy in any decent video game...
but even better... dudes who like comics about video games that they play enough online and feel trapped in the real world unable to be as awesome as they want to be with the U/U/D/D/L/R/L/R/B/A/B/A/Sel/St That they were the first of their friends to figure out, BUT NONE OF THE GIRLS LIKE THEM despite how awesome they were in the eyes of their adoring 3rd grade graphic engine worshippers for figuring that out.
Dudes like video games with ninjas and swords and stuff
dudes like video games with giant killer robots
dudes who like video games like hot chicks in pushup 'armor'
dudes
dudes dont care about plot, as long as there is an explaination why you need to find the red key, or kill the red guys more than they kill all the blue guys, thats a good enough plot right? any excuse to use my doublemultiplasmaswordshootercannon and hear the roar of my subwoofer - especially if it is something 'deep' like a zen master' or something giving you the lesson you need to attain level 9 and get more hit points and stuff so lara croft will finaly want to date you because you were tough enough to kill the end of the level guy by the end of the movie.
hey why dont we make a movie of this... but make the hero the chick that all these dorks think they can get that girl because she IS the hero... she's just like them... she is on all fours scrubbing floors (evidently video game plots forgot the timeline of the invention of swipper sweepers and such) for a boss she hates.. she is just like them... but she's a hot chick! all she needed was that samurai tutor, magical sword, talking animal sidekick, giant robot and every other nerd cliche in the world, and she could be a HERO! she just has to FIGHT! (to level 8 or something, i dunno levels are an abstract concept).
I give it a couple months before a movie based video game sells more in rentals than the blu ray.
So in short I think this is a work of genius tailoring a film to an audience. I was also a big fan of Machete and Deathproof if that puts my babble into perspective at all.
@ yeenoghu - I get where you're coming from, but I think the film should be give some kudos for inventing it's own background, rather than being a rip off of some comic or a remake of a previous film. Ok, none of the ideas are desperately original, but the design of the film looks sort of new and is pretty awe inspiring. That's pretty rare these day IMHO.
I've been waiting for this ever since Den Of Geek dropped the teaser trailer a few months back. I mean, it's ZACK SNYDER we're talking about. Raise your hand if you didn't like 300 or Watchmen...
(I see a few hands, I'm just going to assume those are for Watchmen )
And seeing as my wife is almost as excited about SP as I am, I won't feel guilty enjoying some of the more feminine eye candy on screen.
Plus, y'know, dragons and mechs and samurai, c'mon.
Boba Fex wrote:And seeing as my wife is almost as excited about SP as I am, I won't feel guilty enjoying some of the more feminine eye candy on screen.
This is a thing, I know more women who are excited about Suckerpunch than dudes.
sexiest_hero wrote:I work next to a strip club. OT, I demand good movies, video games and books. Not 60's era "Girl in the gold boots" type films. If a guy wants to look at hot chicks for two hours I know a place. I demand good films and good female actors.
I just wanna see the 20ft tall samurai with an auto-cannon...
And it is a Science-fiction action movie that references a heap of gak I like (WWII, Martial Arts, Robots, Samurai etc, etc)
The fact that it has dolled up chicks is cool but of little consequence IMO ...
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SpaceMonk wrote:It would be pretty bad for suspension of disbelief in an action movie if nothing bad could happen to the protagonists, so to be honest I don't think they would do that....
Hmmm... I think they will put something in there that if they die in there dreams they will die in real life, or maybe wake up lobotomised or insane or something.
Looking at trailer 3, it appears that their fantasy runs parallel to their real lives. So when the big samurai robot with assault cannon crashes through the door, it's actually the manager/head therapist of the lunatic asylum bursting into their room.
Interesting and creative theory there Flashman sound good either way
You forgot to mention the led zeppelin sound-track.
Boba Fex wrote:And seeing as my wife is almost as excited about SP as I am, I won't feel guilty enjoying some of the more feminine eye candy on screen.
This is a thing, I know more women who are excited about Suckerpunch than dudes.
I'm personally so un-excited about it. As I told MGS, it's like they said "What are all the things in a nerds spank-file? Ok, let's put that all in a movie."
Hot big titted blondes in schoolgirl uniforms and pig-tails just don't do it for me in a movie, oddly enough.
Boba Fex wrote:And seeing as my wife is almost as excited about SP as I am, I won't feel guilty enjoying some of the more feminine eye candy on screen.
This is a thing, I know more women who are excited about Suckerpunch than dudes.
I'm personally so un-excited about it. As I told MGS, it's like they said "What are all the things in a nerds spank-file? Ok, let's put that all in a movie."
Hot big titted blondes in schoolgirl uniforms and pig-tails just don't do it for me in a movie, oddly enough.
She who must be obeyed is nuetral. On the other hand she is quite jazzed about Priest.
I am already filled with potential disappointment about this movie.
It looks like a movie where a girl goes to a prison/institution/whatever and uses her imagination to cope. It will seem like she is making progress, but in the end she'll either get set free by some family member or just rot away in the institution forever.
The same reason I hated Pan's Labyrinth. A whole movie that eventually leads to nothing.
Mine as well be a giant dream sequence where the main character wakes up at the end and says "oh well".
I will go see it. The visuals look nice, but I am not having high hopes about the ending.
Frazzled wrote:She who must be obeyed is nuetral. On the other hand she is quite jazzed about Priest.
From what I've seen of Priest it has the same kind of visual styling as Ultraviolet or the last Resident Evil movie. I'm just not a fan of that style. Not sure how to describe it but I'm always very aware of the fact that I'm watching something completely fake.
I hears a (now I admit to liking ultrviolet). She's just into that whole kick ass priest theme. Plus she likes the eye candy methinks.
Its interesting she's jazzed about that and GC is major jazzed about the Easter bunny movie for some reason. I'm waiting for Super8 in a big way, so its all good.
Saw it yesterday and was disappointed. I give the movie a B. Reasons include spoilers so those are below the cut.
Spoiler:
There are two reasons why this movie doesn't hold up.
1. Less that a quarter of the way through the film, we are shown that EVERYTHING from that point on really doesn't matter because it's not real; it's all fantasy. Because of this, all the tension and grip is taken out of the fight scenes. I don't care if Rocket gets punched in the face because it means absolutely nothing- it's not like the matrix where if you die in the simulation you die in real life. So, because I have no emotional investment in the main characters I don't really care what happens to them. They died? So what, it's not real. Not only that I'm reminded about it ever time they fight, so I'm always jolted out of the immersion. Yes, some of those events did happen in other ways while Baby Doll prior to the lobotomization but at that point I just don't care. Conclusion: no emotional investment = a lot of effort wasted in making absolutely kicks ass settings because we simply don't care as much.
So what film did something like this and succeed? Avatar. Again that film's plot wasn't deep, but we cared about the characters because of their strengths and flaws. The main character went through the classical Hero's Journey story arc and we bought into it. High concept explosions and low concept romantic arc ties it together in a stronger bond. In Avatar, the hero went on a journey (story) in Sucker Punch went on a lot of short video game levels that don't really happen (events) and that's much more shallow.
2. For six months we have been shown sexy dance scenes in the trailer. What do we get? Nothing, and no those 1-2 second snippets in the credits don't count, in fact it makes it worse because you KNOW they're out there and yet you're still not allowed to see it. Not only that, we have our faces rubbed in it through the entire movie. The fantasy is that the girls are semi exotic dancers, and we're told this repeatedly. We see them warm up in their dance room, we see them in costume, ALL the other movie characters get to see them dance and say, "Oh god damn! That was an awesome dance! " and yet... we the paying audience get to see... NOTHING . WTF?! I'm not talking nudity, I'm talking about seeing what the rest of the characters saw, like the mayor. This is a burlesque film with no burlesque in it! Checkov said that if you introduce a gun in act one of play it had better go off by act three or you piss off your audience, and that's exactly what happened here. Do NOT promise something repeatedly, say that it's great, and then keep us from seeing it. And yes I do get the "violence as dance" metaphor and my statement still stands.
Other thing that bugged me:
How did Baby Doll manage to shoot her sister in the head when the bullet blew out the light which was far above the girl? That was a plaster and wood wall, so there would be no bullets bouncing about. Huh.
Slow motion can be cool, but during the robot fight, after the 3rd slow mo bullet I was getting pretty sick of it. Use that sparingly for maximum impact people. : /
No bruising/bleeding from the lobotomy process.
It felt a little too moralistic at the end. Bad guy gets caught in the act and punished by cops. Doctor who's repeatedly done this process with no qualms yet suddenly/magically thinks the process isn't right- trying not to be a bad guy by just saying it's bad. Felt like a corporate suit trying to slime his way out of something bad his company did.
So Moopy, what did you like?
1. I really liked the fantasy settings. The mixing of genres and high tech vs low tech is awesome and powerful. You can tell they spent their efforts here. I really want the art book.
2. I like the quest set up in the fantasy scenes. Here are your goals, here are your enemies, and here's a twist. Go! That worked really well for each scene, but because of the above mentioned comments, lost all of it's impact.
3. Being brave enough to effectively kill off your main character is daring and dicey. I like the concept, but lost it's impact because of the above reasons.
Gonna go see it with the wife in about an hour actually. What's the general consensus, Dakkaites? Am I about to waste my money and time? Or are there at least a couple good parts?
I'll come back here afterwards and give you all my 2 cents.
I went and saw the movie yesterday with my girlfriend and she hated it but I enjoyed the various types of eye candy that the film had to offer. Be prepared for an annoyed wife, though.
DarkTraveler777 wrote:Turn your mind off and you will have a fun ride.
I went and saw the movie yesterday with my girlfriend and she hated it but I enjoyed the various types of eye candy that the film had to offer. Be prepared for an annoyed wife, though.
Leaving now. No worries about the annoyed wife part, I'm used to that. (kidding!)
And my brain is usually off anyway, outside of work.
Edit: I'm back, DarkTraveler you were right, I turned off my brain and had a blast And she said it was pretty good too, so no problems there.
It was wicked. Don't let the critics ruin it for you. It's got as much plot as anything else out there and it has hot-chicks fighting steam-powered-nazi-zombies and mega-samurai weilding mini-guns and orcs and robots and a frikkin dragon. Bamn! What more do you want.
That Sucker Punch movie is stupid. Zach Synder says that it is an empowering woman film. Yeah, girls always dream about becoming hookers and selling their bodies at a brothel. That sure is empowering woman!! I can see all those scumbag producers approving of this movie and use the girls as a sex idols to appeal to men and and make some gak up of how wearing revealing outfits and seducing men is empowering. It's like a 15 year olds wet dream: Hot Girls vs Robots, Zombies, Dragons, Samurai and Mechs. The Story is stupid. With her mind she changes the mental hospital into a brothel where they dance. On top of that, When the girl dances she escapes into another world where she imagines is fighting in the battlefields.
The fights have no relation to what is happening in the brothel. Its a dream within a dream. And in no way is this helping her escape because she is imagining it and it's all in her head. But some how!! The dreams do help her escape in the reality world. It's a jumbled up mess with a bunch a plots holes. It is a stupid stupid movie.
So if this is not an empowering woman film. Would we see the girls dance?? NO!! It's rated PG-13!! That means no blood or girls sexy dancing!! So whats the point of putting hot girls in a strip club/brothel if we are not going to see these girls dance?? We got to keep it rated PG-13! There are some moments where it gets close to a rape scene. But we still keep it at PG-13
Even the action is boring for me!! Since she is imagining it in her head. NOTHING CAN KILL HER!! With good action you need the sense of danger and the element that death in the fight is possible.
So action is boring when you know no one will die in these scenes because it is ALL inside her head. No matter how many hits she takes, she still gets back up without a scratch.There is too much slow motion. Slow motion does not add the intensity of the action. It just slows it down and hinders the thrill of the action. High paced action without slow motion is the best because you are the edge of your seat and you are feeling the speed of the power of the action. I didn't get what was the point of the action scenes if they in no way had a relation in the objects they had to get to escape.
If she wanted to escape, why not just imagine you are not in a brothel but you are at home or something where there is no evil stepfather. What was the point of changing the mental hospital into a brothel if it was just as bad as the hospital?? There is no character development for these girls. These girls are only here to look hot and thats it.
And these critics are smarter than these teenagers think. These guys are professionals in understanding film and what is wrong with them and what is good about them. These aren't stupid minded teenagers who do nothing but spank off to porno all day. These guys know film. All these guys are smart critics who know what they are talking about.
The Visuals were amazing. I liked the dragon and the mech the most. But I don't think it is worth it just for the visuals. Just because it has hot-chicks fighting steam-powered-nazi-zombies and mega-samurai weilding mini-guns and orcs and robots and a frikkin dragon doesn't automatically a good movie. Anybody can make great visuals if they have $80 million!! It is a polished piece of gak. Not worth your money. Go rent it when it comes out.
So while all you losers turn your brains off and turn into brain dead retards, everybody who has their brains turned will have way better intelligence than the brain dead retards.
Like IGN said, It's for suckers only.
And these critics are smarter than these teenagers think. These guys are professionals in understanding film and what is wrong with them and what is good about them.
This is where I must disagree. Films will not be universally liked/despised, therefore any number of people can and will disagree with a critic and they can be speaking just as truthfuly, because the fact is that liking/disliking a film is a huge matter of person opinion.
Just becaquse Critic A said Film Z was crap does not make it fact, it means that HE found it bad. What happened if a critic said that Titanic was a whole bunch of gak that nobody should watch? Since a critic said it does that make it correct?
You cannot be a professional in seeing a film from everyone's viewpoints with everyone's opinions, it is not possible to know what some guy in Australia thinks about an American film you're reviewing the US surrounded by other Americans.
I also don't know what you have against teenagers, because they're the single target for your rant (which isn't new, they're the single target for most people because a good chunk of them are ignorant, arrogant buttfethers) whereas a lot of adults will have watched it as well and disagreed with critics.
So a critic reviewed it, so what? Watch it yourself and formulate your own opinion instead of having your opinions dictated to you by someone you've never met with tastes and viewpoints that differ from your own.
Warboss Narznok wrote:So while all you losers turn your brains off and turn into brain dead retards, everybody who has their brains turned will have way better intelligence than the brain dead retards.
Like IGN said, It's for suckers only.
Warboss Narznok wrote:So while all you losers turn your brains off and turn into brain dead retards, everybody who has their brains turned will have way better intelligence than the brain dead retards.
Like IGN said, It's for suckers only.
Warboss Narznok wrote:So while all you losers turn your brains off and turn into brain dead retards, everybody who has their brains turned will have way better intelligence than the brain dead retards.
But I'll have had a good time and you'll be busy being bored, so I'm not sure how smart your stance really is.
As to the comments on how the main character isn't in danger: The main character in an action film is never in danger. With extremely few exceptions they're all made invincible by necessity, because if they die, the movie stops.
And these critics are smarter than these teenagers think. These guys are professionals in understanding film and what is wrong with them and what is good about them.
This is where I must disagree.
You can, but he is actually right. Just becuase people have a Netflix account doesn't make them experts on cinema. And becuase people are dense we have to have this conversation every time it comes up: critics jobs aren't really there to tell people to see a movie or not and most of them know it. As people who professionally write and study cinema there job is exactly what there title says, to critique. Their job title isn't 'Recommender'. They put films more in context with the broader cinematic trends as well as the overall aesthetics of cinema. They may nudge people one way or the other on occasion if they are on the fence but most know that people will see a film regardless of what they say. Ten years from now when someone is working on a journal article these reviews will be helpful to understand how the film stood up critically in it's own time. Sometimes critics get it wrong and many have admitted as much when they went back and looked at a film again with fresh eyes. You have to remember these are people that see three or four movies a week and have to write X number of words about them as well as possible other side projects unrelated to current releases. They aren't going to the theater for the same reasons 95% of the people going to see a movie for. Watch three films a week, that you have no say over or choice in, and write no less than 500 words each on them that need to be posted for the world to see, and get back to me in a year and see if you still have the same attitude about film going as you do right now as someone who can just take it or leave it as you choose.
Tyyr wrote:
Warboss Narznok wrote:So while all you losers turn your brains off and turn into brain dead retards, everybody who has their brains turned will have way better intelligence than the brain dead retards.
Like IGN said, It's for suckers only.
I see someone has turned their jackass up to 11.
While lacking tact, he isn't wrong. Using the argument that you need to pretend to have a lobotomy to enjoy a film isn't exactly high praise. Yeah, the visuals are nice but that makes for good porn, not good cinema. That doesn't mean it can't be enjoyed, but just becuase something is enjoyable doesn't mean it is good, and vice versa. There are a lot of movies I respect but don't personally like, and a few I don't respect but enjoy. For some reason Balls of Fire tickles the hell out of me but I would never call it a good movie.
Warboss Narznok wrote:So while all you losers turn your brains off and turn into brain dead retards, everybody who has their brains turned will have way better intelligence than the brain dead retards.
Like IGN said, It's for suckers only.
So if this is not an empowering woman film. Would we see the girls dance?? NO!! It's rated PG-13!! That means no blood or girls sexy dancing!! So whats the point of putting hot girls in a strip club/brothel if we are not going to see these girls dance?? We got to keep it rated PG-13! There are some moments where it gets close to a rape scene. But we still keep it at PG-13
The "dancing" is actually rape/forced prostitution. Guess the plot was too complicated for you.
So if this is not an empowering woman film. Would we see the girls dance?? NO!! It's rated PG-13!! That means no blood or girls sexy dancing!! So whats the point of putting hot girls in a strip club/brothel if we are not going to see these girls dance?? We got to keep it rated PG-13! There are some moments where it gets close to a rape scene. But we still keep it at PG-13
The "dancing" is actually rape/forced prostitution. Guess the plot was too complicated for you.
That is odd, I would say the same about you and subtext. I also enjoy people calling him a jackass and than responding in kind.
Empowerment is the act of giving power and authority -- the right to control, command and determine. In the realm of women's issues, empowerment is the persuasive force reminding women of their strength and potential. Empowered women exercise authority, and when they face a troubling, misogynistic world, empowered women fight back.
The women of Zack Snyder's 'Sucker Punch' are not empowered.
Though they are given vicious snarls, swords and guns, the leading ladies of Snyder's latest are nothing more than cinematic figures of enslavement given only the most minimal fight. Their rebellion is one of imaginative whimsy in a heavily misogynistic world that is barely questioned or truly challenged. Instead of empowering their female brethren, the women of 'Sucker Punch' work as warriors protecting the male gaze and male authority.
So if this is not an empowering woman film. Would we see the girls dance?? NO!! It's rated PG-13!! That means no blood or girls sexy dancing!! So whats the point of putting hot girls in a strip club/brothel if we are not going to see these girls dance?? We got to keep it rated PG-13! There are some moments where it gets close to a rape scene. But we still keep it at PG-13
The "dancing" is actually rape/forced prostitution. Guess the plot was too complicated for you.
That is odd, I would say the same about you and subtext. I also enjoy people calling him a jackass and than responding in kind.
Empowerment is the act of giving power and authority -- the right to control, command and determine. In the realm of women's issues, empowerment is the persuasive force reminding women of their strength and potential. Empowered women exercise authority, and when they face a troubling, misogynistic world, empowered women fight back.
The women of Zack Snyder's 'Sucker Punch' are not empowered.
Though they are given vicious snarls, swords and guns, the leading ladies of Snyder's latest are nothing more than cinematic figures of enslavement given only the most minimal fight. Their rebellion is one of imaginative whimsy in a heavily misogynistic world that is barely questioned or truly challenged. Instead of empowering their female brethren, the women of 'Sucker Punch' work as warriors protecting the male gaze and male authority.
Did I say the film was empowering to women? No, only people who criticize the movie based on some false assumption do. It's hardly a happy story for any of them. Same with the bizzare criticism that keeps popping up that "they're never in danger" considering
Watch three films a week, that you have no say over or choice in, and write no less than 500 words each on them that need to be posted for the world to see, and get back to me in a year and see if you still have the same attitude about film going as you do right now as someone who can just take it or leave it as you choose.
Critics will be sick of films, will therefore go in with a mindset that reflects that. Unless a film is super good, all the good bits with be picked apart until a flaw is found and then that flaw is written about.
It's not a greater understanding more than it is writing what you saw through the negativity goggles you wear from having to watch hours upon hours of crap week in week out.
If you're forced to watch stuff, you will eventually grow to hate it all, and this will come out in your criticisms so much so that the good points hidden beneath a 500-word rant about something you picked the film apart to find.
Watch three films a week, that you have no say over or choice in, and write no less than 500 words each on them that need to be posted for the world to see, and get back to me in a year and see if you still have the same attitude about film going as you do right now as someone who can just take it or leave it as you choose.
Critics will be sick of films, will therefore go in with a mindset that reflects that. Unless a film is super good, all the good bits with be picked apart until a flaw is found and then that flaw is written about.
It's not a greater understanding more than it is writing what you saw through the negativity goggles you wear from having to watch hours upon hours of crap week in week out.
If you're forced to watch stuff, you will eventually grow to hate it all, and this will come out in your criticisms so much so that the good points hidden beneath a 500-word rant about something you picked the film apart to find.
Good point. Also, there's this attitude that a negative review makes you look smarter. "Oh the unwashed masses like this film because they don't have the extensive skills of sitting on their ass and watching movies all day like I do. The poor fools." A critic that gives a good review to a consensus "bad" flick is at much greater risk than one who gives a bad review o a consensus "good" film. Always error on the side of negativity.
Watch three films a week, that you have no say over or choice in, and write no less than 500 words each on them that need to be posted for the world to see, and get back to me in a year and see if you still have the same attitude about film going as you do right now as someone who can just take it or leave it as you choose.
Critics will be sick of films, will therefore go in with a mindset that reflects that. Unless a film is super good, all the good bits with be picked apart until a flaw is found and then that flaw is written about.
It's not a greater understanding more than it is writing what you saw through the negativity goggles you wear from having to watch hours upon hours of crap week in week out.
If you're forced to watch stuff, you will eventually grow to hate it all, and this will come out in your criticisms so much so that the good points hidden beneath a 500-word rant about something you picked the film apart to find.
Having actually spent time around and working with critics I can safely say you have no idea what you are talking about. They do all of that becuase they love the medium, not becuase they are bitter about it or negative. Just becuase it changes how a person views film that doesn't mean it is will be for the worse. If it does generate that kind of negative attitude and hatred than you are in the wrong business.
can safely say you have no idea what you are talking about.
Then why don't you?
What you're ignoring is the fact that many people enter long-term career because they like what they're going to do, but ask them if they enjoy it 10+ years later and it's likely that their enthusiasm for it has dropped. Doing the same thing over and over gets tedious, it's the same if you eat the same food for breakfast, lunch and dinner for years. I get sick of having the same stuff over and over again.
Just becuase it changes how a person views film that doesn't mean it is will be for the worse.
What it will be doesn't matter, it's what it might be. It might be for the better, but again it might be for the worse, and because people listen to these reviews if it is for the worst, a film company can lose revenue since people are disheartened and don't go to see it, even if they would've liked it.
can safely say you have no idea what you are talking about.
Then why don't you?
I did, and I still am. Your response just reinforces the idea that you really don't know what you are talking about. How much time have you spent working with the entertainment press vis-a-vis film critics?
can safely say you have no idea what you are talking about.
Then why don't you?
I did, and I still am. Your response just reinforces the idea that you really don't know what you are talking about. How much time have you spent working with the entertainment press vis-a-vis film critics?
You haven't actually said I don't know what i'm talking about. You've implied it and acknowledged that you can say it, but you've never actually said it.
I know most of the girls die. But never in these dream battles. The Dream battles is where the action is or what they call action.
And if this is an action packed film. Why no blood?? Maybe if they took the step to make this film Rated-R. Then Maybe I could have enjoyed the eye candy that would be in it.
There would be blood and girls actual dancing. So if you go through the trouble of having Hot Girls in a brothel in your film and tons of action with Zombies and dragons, A least go rated r.
They Idea itself sounds like an incredible Idea for a Rated-R movie!
Warboss Narznok wrote:I know most of the girls die. But never in these dream battles. The Dream battles is where the action is or what they call action.
The dream battles are an analogy. If one dies in the action sequence she's dead in real life too.
Warboss Narznok wrote:I know most of the girls die. But never in these dream battles. The Dream battles is where the action is or what they call action.
The dream battles are an analogy. If one dies in the action sequence she's dead in real life too.
Then why didn't they use that analogy?? Why didn't they kill off characters when they were in the dream battles??
But lets think about this. If Babydoll was the only one experiencing these Dream Battles then how would they be able to die?? Only she is imagining these action sequences. So there is no way they are all connected and all the other girls experience these dream battles. So if Babydoll wanted to go into the Dream, The other girls can't because they don't establish in the movie that she also has some minding reading power or something like that.
Warboss Narznok wrote:I know most of the girls die. But never in these dream battles. The Dream battles is where the action is or what they call action.
The dream battles are an analogy. If one dies in the action sequence she's dead in real life too.
Then why didn't they use that analogy?? Why didn't they kill off characters when they were in the dream battles??
But lets think about this. If Babydoll was the only one experiencing these Dream Battles then how would they be able to die?? Only she is imagining these action sequences. So there is no way they are all connected and all the other girls experience these dream battles. So if Babydoll wanted to go into the Dream, The other girls can't because they don't establish in the movie that she also has some minding reading power or something like that.
They did. As you correctly said before the crazy fantasy battles are actually a dream within a dream. Thing is I would say that Baby-Doll really is insane. She really does need some serious psychiatric help but unfortunately ended up in a corrupt asylum that has sex slavery. The first layer is her insanity the second is the imaginings of an insane person.
I don't know why your saying the other girls are going into the dream they obviously are not. This is Baby-doll's perception of events. Despite that the death's are real and so are the acquiring of items.
can safely say you have no idea what you are talking about.
Then why don't you?
I did, and I still am. Your response just reinforces the idea that you really don't know what you are talking about. How much time have you spent working with the entertainment press vis-a-vis film critics?
You haven't actually said I don't know what i'm talking about. You've implied it and acknowledged that you can say it, but you've never actually said it.
Not only did I say "you don't know what your talking about", I have said it thrice now. Not only do you actually show extreme ignorance of the field, if we followed your poor line of reasoning the only conclusion we could draw is that any professional must hate their job. Doctors hate the practice of medicine, lawyers all hate the law, scientists hate science, and teachers hate teaching. Of course people suffer occasional burn out in any field and some may hate it, but by and large the majority love what they do. Your argument was never that some might be negative and hate what they do, you just stated that all critics are jaded and negative, which is just a load of crap. You put up a pretense of superiority, or at least a dislike that others may know more than you, to make yourself feel superior somehow but you haven't put in the time they have or studied the subject nearly as much as most of them. The amusing aspect of this is that you criticize the critics for being negative and critical by being negative and critical. Seems more like you are attacking the wrong person/people.
Warboss Narznok wrote:I know most of the girls die. But never in these dream battles. The Dream battles is where the action is or what they call action.
The dream battles are an analogy. If one dies in the action sequence she's dead in real life too.
Then why didn't they use that analogy?? Why didn't they kill off characters when they were in the dream battles??
But lets think about this. If Babydoll was the only one experiencing these Dream Battles then how would they be able to die?? Only she is imagining these action sequences. So there is no way they are all connected and all the other girls experience these dream battles. So if Babydoll wanted to go into the Dream, The other girls can't because they don't establish in the movie that she also has some minding reading power or something like that.
They did. As you correctly said before the crazy fantasy battles are actually a dream within a dream. Thing is I would say that Baby-Doll really is insane. She really does need some serious psychiatric help but unfortunately ended up in a corrupt asylum that has sex slavery. The first layer is her insanity the second is the imaginings of an insane person.
I don't know why your saying the other girls are going into the dream they obviously are not. This is Baby-doll's perception of events. Despite that the death's are real and so are the acquiring of items.
But the Asylum isn't corrupt. With her imagination she turns the whole Asylum into the Brothel. She imagines and turns the Asylum into a Brothel??? That's too extreme.
There are three layers in this movie
The Asylum=Reality
On top of the Asylum inside her imagination is the Brothel
On top of the Brothel that is on top of the Asylum inside her imagination is the Action Scenes.
It's a dream within a dream. It's stupid. How is she able to do this without altering the reality outside the Asylum?? What if she doesn't have powers and it's all in her head. In reality she is just thinking she is somewhere else when really she is in the Asylum and there is no way to escape. But somehow in the film they vaguely try to connect the reality with her imagination like she does have some power. It doesn't make sense.
Warboss Narznok wrote:I know most of the girls die. But never in these dream battles. The Dream battles is where the action is or what they call action.
The dream battles are an analogy. If one dies in the action sequence she's dead in real life too.
Then why didn't they use that analogy?? Why didn't they kill off characters when they were in the dream battles??
But lets think about this. If Babydoll was the only one experiencing these Dream Battles then how would they be able to die?? Only she is imagining these action sequences. So there is no way they are all connected and all the other girls experience these dream battles. So if Babydoll wanted to go into the Dream, The other girls can't because they don't establish in the movie that she also has some minding reading power or something like that.
They did. As you correctly said before the crazy fantasy battles are actually a dream within a dream. Thing is I would say that Baby-Doll really is insane. She really does need some serious psychiatric help but unfortunately ended up in a corrupt asylum that has sex slavery. The first layer is her insanity the second is the imaginings of an insane person.
I don't know why your saying the other girls are going into the dream they obviously are not. This is Baby-doll's perception of events. Despite that the death's are real and so are the acquiring of items.
But the Asylum isn't corrupt. With her imagination she turns the whole Asylum into the Brothel. She imagines and turns the Asylum into a Brothel??? That's too extreme.
There are three layers in this movie
The Asylum=Reality
On top of the Asylum inside her imagination is the Brothel
On top of the Brothel that is on top of the Asylum inside her imagination is the Action Scenes.
It's a dream within a dream. It's stupid. How is she able to do this without altering the reality outside the Asylum?? What if she doesn't have powers and it's all in her head. In reality she is just thinking she is somewhere else when really she is in the Asylum and there is no way to escape. But somehow in the film they vaguely try to connect the reality with her imagination like she does have some power. It doesn't make sense.
The three layers are:
1) Reality: She's in a corrupt Asylum "brothel". I'm not sure Brothel is the right term for forced sex slavery but whatever.
2) Insanity: She's in an Asylum that is also a dance club and she's really, really good at "dancing" (psss, she's not really dancing). Note how her father turns from some douche-bag into a cardinal instantly at this level.
3) Imaginings: She's a superhero who slays dragons.
Not only did I say "you don't know what your talking about", I have said it thrice now.
Twice. You said the words but you never said them to me directly. The first time you said you 'can safely say you have no idea what you're talking about' and the second time was in your latest post but only to say that you've previously said it. Saying words and directing them at someone are two different things.
if we followed your poor line of reasoning the only conclusion we could draw is that any professional must hate their job.
'Must' or 'could'? Because I was aiming for 'could'.
you just stated that all critics are jaded and negative, which is just a load of crap.
It is a load of crap, which is why I didn't say that all critics are jaded and negative.
You put up a pretense of superiority, or at least a dislike that others may know more than you, to make yourself feel superior somehow but you haven't put in the time they have or studied the subject nearly as much as most of them.
Interesting viewpoint, I will consider how your opinion impacts the dicussion over a nice cup of 'I couldn't care less what you think'.
Your post was simply replacing assumptions and putting words into my mouth (please point where I said that critics are all jaded and negative, emphasis on the all) followed by a personal attack that has nothing to do with the dicussion.
Warboss Narznok wrote:I know most of the girls die. But never in these dream battles. The Dream battles is where the action is or what they call action.
The dream battles are an analogy. If one dies in the action sequence she's dead in real life too.
Then why didn't they use that analogy?? Why didn't they kill off characters when they were in the dream battles??
But lets think about this. If Babydoll was the only one experiencing these Dream Battles then how would they be able to die?? Only she is imagining these action sequences. So there is no way they are all connected and all the other girls experience these dream battles. So if Babydoll wanted to go into the Dream, The other girls can't because they don't establish in the movie that she also has some minding reading power or something like that.
They did. As you correctly said before the crazy fantasy battles are actually a dream within a dream. Thing is I would say that Baby-Doll really is insane. She really does need some serious psychiatric help but unfortunately ended up in a corrupt asylum that has sex slavery. The first layer is her insanity the second is the imaginings of an insane person.
I don't know why your saying the other girls are going into the dream they obviously are not. This is Baby-doll's perception of events. Despite that the death's are real and so are the acquiring of items.
But the Asylum isn't corrupt. With her imagination she turns the whole Asylum into the Brothel. She imagines and turns the Asylum into a Brothel??? That's too extreme.
There are three layers in this movie
The Asylum=Reality
On top of the Asylum inside her imagination is the Brothel
On top of the Brothel that is on top of the Asylum inside her imagination is the Action Scenes.
It's a dream within a dream. It's stupid. How is she able to do this without altering the reality outside the Asylum?? What if she doesn't have powers and it's all in her head. In reality she is just thinking she is somewhere else when really she is in the Asylum and there is no way to escape. But somehow in the film they vaguely try to connect the reality with her imagination like she does have some power. It doesn't make sense.
The three layers are:
1) Reality: She's in a corrupt Asylum "brothel". I'm not sure Brothel is the right term for forced sex slavery but whatever.
2) Insanity: She's in an Asylum that is also a dance club and she's really, really good at "dancing" (psss, she's not really dancing). Note how her father turns from some douche-bag into a cardinal instantly at this level.
3) Imaginings: She's a superhero who slays dragons.
i don't you know the layers I am pointing out are.
Those 3 layers are the layers of dreams and imagination this movie gets into. The Asylum isn't a Brothel but she with her imagination she turns it into a Brothel. Even the Wiki of this movies says this.
That was the part I couldn't figure out for sure - were the rapes/sex in the brothel setting indicative of actual sex on the "reality" level, or of mental/spiritual rape?
As to my opinions, I liked it. It tried too hard, but it was still okay.
Bromsy wrote:That was the part I couldn't figure out for sure - were the rapes/sex in the brothel setting indicative of actual sex on the "reality" level, or of mental/spiritual rape?
As to my opinions, I liked it. It tried too hard, but it was still okay.
Real. But there are no sex scenes in the movie because that is covered up by her tenous grasp on reality.
She was trying to be a hero when saving her sister and it went horribly wrong so her mind retreats into a reality were she is: on both a unwittingly and wittingly level. Anyways, Narznok see how we're having an interesting conversation about this flick? It just goes to show that the movie has more plot and is more complex than its given credit for.
The visuals are stunning, but don't have the impact that they should.
*spoilers*
When Baby Doll is tied to a chair and centimeters away from being lobotomized she goes into a fantasy realm. The director just told the audience, "This isn't happening." so on some level, we stop our emotional investment; we don't care as much because we know it isn't real. So when the great fights happen, we the audience, hardly has any skin in the game. Rocket takes a punch to the face? So what? This isn't the matrix where you die in the fantasy you die in RL. And no, three girls didn't die in RL since there was no mention of multiple homisides when the Psych was talking to the lobotomist. When the director tells us that there's a twist at the end, the audience says, "Oh, ok." instead of, "WOW!" because we've turned off for over an hour now, and it's too late to get us back; it's horrible story telling.
Where does something like this work? Wizard of Oz- Dorthy goes through an adventure that we find out isn't real at the end. But because she's caught up in the strange events, instead of obviously doing a mental escape, we buy it. In the same vein is 6th Sense. If we were told that Bruce Willis was a ghost in the beginning, the rest of the movie would have been extremely dull. Never tell your audience to stop caring or you lose the tension for the rest of the film.
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KamikazeCanuck wrote:
Warboss Narznok wrote:
So if this is not an empowering woman film. Would we see the girls dance?? NO!! It's rated PG-13!! That means no blood or girls sexy dancing!! So whats the point of putting hot girls in a strip club/brothel if we are not going to see these girls dance?? We got to keep it rated PG-13! There are some moments where it gets close to a rape scene. But we still keep it at PG-13
The "dancing" is actually rape/forced prostitution. Guess the plot was too complicated for you.
The dream violence is a metaphor for dance. Baby Doll's mind is going elsewhere (into the 2nd layer battlegrounds fantasy) while she dances in the 1st layer of brothel fantasy.
However, promiting this as a partially burlesque movie (in the trailer, hyping up the big event in the first layer of fantasy, and AGAIN showing snipets of two completed dance sequences in the credits) and not showing us those scenes was really disappointing. I'm not talking BD's dances here, but the red devil fan dancers and the white/blue/sequins dance scenes. Do not hype up things through plot and promotion if you are NOT going to deliver.
Moopy wrote: Never tell your audience to stop caring or you lose the tension for the rest of the film.
Well said. when I saw this film and she slipped into the brothel fantasy just before getting spiked I remember thinking "wait go back to the part that mattered!" and the spent an hour and a half wading through a fantasy that despite being visually stunning was nonsensical and unengaging due to the fact that it was completely inconsequential. In the big reveal they try to bring some meaning into it and make you care but it was too little too late .Especially after they killed off three of the characters- two of which were executed by the big bad like they were redshirts in the first five minutes of star trek and not characters who had undergone what passed for character development in that movie. perhaps the most annoying part of that movie was that sweet pea's fears in that movie were precisely realized- that baby doll would get them all killed by her ultimately selfish actions.
And I don't buy the theory that the other girls weren't real- why would rocket be introduced as sweet pea's sister if that were the case? If only Baby doll and Sweet Pea were real then that makes the movie even dumber because so much effort was put into trying to get you to care about the other characters (especially rocket).
Before I get off my soap box why are so many movies going this way? Whatever happened to movies with an engaging story? To movies where you care about the character(s)? Or movies that make you think? Are writers really that lazy nowadays?
Moopy wrote: Never tell your audience to stop caring or you lose the tension for the rest of the film.
And I don't buy the theory that the other girls weren't real- why would rocket be introduced as sweet pea's sister if that were the case? If only Baby doll and Sweet Pea were real then that makes the movie even dumber because so much effort was put into trying to get you to care about the other characters (especially rocket).
*spoilers*
All 5 of the girls were real- we saw all of them in that opening scene when the real world "Blue" was getting step-dad to agree to the lobotomy. However, we don't know if Sweet-Pea and Rocket were sisters or if it was made up- there is no reference of them being sisters in the RL portion of the movie. It was possible that it made that way to try and make the characters more interesting, but we really don't know.
Wraithlordmechanic wrote: Before I get off my soap box why are so many movies going this way? Whatever happened to movies with an engaging story? To movies where you care about the character(s)? Or movies that make you think? Are writers really that lazy nowadays?
I work in the video game field and I've seen projects fall apart like this- a great idea that isn't properly followed up on. Some of it is egos- people who think they can tell a story and have too much power to be told, "NO!". Also people can fixated on an aspect of the film that they remember and want to make it incredibly cool. People remember fight scenes of the movie, so they want to make fight scenes, but forget that the 30 minutes of character development BEFORE the fight scene, MADE that fight scene really powerful. This is the reason Band of Brothers rocks and Sucker Punch does not.
I want the art book to Sucker Punch, but I'm not sure if I want to own the movie.
This movie was the first movie in a LONG TIME to make me cry. Why? Because Rocket looked too much like a very close friend of mine. I spent the first two acts of the movie setting her up that way, and when
I'm still not sure what to make of Suckerpunch, but it was certainly exactly what I was expecting from a Zack Synder film.
Reminded me of 300 a whole lot in terms of the style, dialogue and focus on spectacle.
I really think he'd be better off as an art director or producer on movies rather than a writer/director. His talents are primarily visual and he could bring a lot more to the table if he just focused on that.
I kinda see him as the next Tim Burton, with brilliantly styled films, but total hit-or-miss when it comes to script.
Anyway, other things that came to my attention:
- Emily Browning is hot.
- Emily Browning is a pretty damn good singer too, considering that she sung a lot of the soundtrack (including the entire sweet dreams opening sequence).
I saw this about 2 weeks ago, and I'm still pretty conflicted about this.
+ There are a lot of great visuals
+ the action is well choreographed
+ the music is very good
+ the girls are very pretty
- the plot is, to be honest, not really there
- some of the dialogue is poor
- the ending is very poor
- sense, it makes none
It was cool to see a lot of the wild action scenes, but I wish they could have done better on the story and some of the character development. I guess there was supposed to be some kind of feminist, girl power type theme? Hard to see it when all the girls are dressed like hookers, with names like "babydoll". One of the critics described it as the fantasy of a hentai & video game obsessed 14 year old boy, and I guess that was pretty accurate. I didn't hate it, but I certainly didn't love it either. I think there were some threads of greatness that weren't coaxed into fruition.
To me, the dream/fight sequence in the WW1 setting almost felt like I was watching a live action W40K movie. The Germans with their steam thingies were pretty much Death Korps of Krieg soldiers fighting it out in some endless trenchwar. The Gothic cathedral helped I guess. They even had kind of a Dreadnought.
Just based on this sequence I'd love for Zack Snyder to make a live action 40k movie. With 300 and Watchmen he has shown he can stick to source material, so no issues there.
Basz002 wrote:To me, the dream/fight sequence in the WW1 setting almost felt like I was watching a live action W40K movie. The Germans with their steam thingies were pretty much Death Korps of Krieg soldiers fighting it out in some endless trenchwar. The Gothic cathedral helped I guess. They even had kind of a Dreadnought.
Just based on this sequence I'd love for Zack Snyder to make a live action 40k movie. With 300 and Watchmen he has shown he can stick to source material, so no issues there.
This, we can agree on. I just hope he'd get someone else to write the dialogue and story.
Watched it last night. Not great and a missed opportunity in my opinion. The first level of fantasy (the burlesque brothel) was just male wish fulfillment (I'm a male, I should know ) and the Baby Doll's dances that trigger the second level of fantasy were a stupid plot device that didn't work.
The best bit was the fight against the clockwork, steam powered zombie Nazis, but after that the action was very repetitive.
I saw the movie yesterday, and I liked it. It's not a masterpiece, but no way it is the gak many people says.
Spoiler:
About the reality/imagination thing: Yes, everything happens in her imagination, but Baby Doll doesn't control everything. She is basing her fantasy in what she is seing. Maybe if a german soldier or an orc punches any of them it won't matter. But what about Rocket? She gets badly wounded in the reality, and the main character introduces that in the "dream". So they are in danger. In the real world. And about the brothel complaints: the girls do NOT dream or wish to be in a nicely decorated brothel. They are actually abused by the staff of the asylum. Babydoll imagines the brothel stuff to make it easier to manage.
The visual part is awesome, the music fits perfectly, the performances are good enough. The script has some gaps. Does the script make the movie deserve all the gakstorm it's getting? IMHO no, it doesn't.
It's not The Matrix, but it's FUN.
Also, I don't think it's sexist at all. Looks like there is an issue with female characters in "male/teen oriented" movies. If they are in a kitchen, it's sexist. If they are in the first line of fire, it's sexist. If they are students, it's sexist. Anything they do, somebody will come up and say it's sexist. I don't understand it.
I didn't really care for it, but it had so much material in it that it pretty much overpowers your sense of disbelief.
On one hand, 80% of the movies going on in thier imagination, On the other, you have no stock in the characters, because its like one minute, we're talking about the main character, Babydoll or whatever her name is, then here come about four more out of left field.
If this thing reminded me of anything, it reminded me of a film version of Anime Tactics. They could have done one less by actually having a serious no !@#$ story about each one of those topics from the story, but they wanted to spin some sort of Naked Lunch sort of thing out of it, trying to internalize the story, then add in the other girls imaginations for some sort of group consciousness sort of thing.
Loved the music, though. This guy put together his style and added in something without any sort of basis to compare it to, which was original, compared to the flood of remakes.
Not my sort of movie, but those girls were doing some serious damage. Only wish that they could have done a whole movie sort of thing with that kind of action. I didn't know how to take the rest of the movie with the tear jerking and stuff. I didn't really relate to that part of the movie.
Erasoketa wrote:I saw the movie yesterday, and I liked it. It's not a masterpiece, but no way it is the gak many people says.
Spoiler:
About the reality/imagination thing: Yes, everything happens in her imagination, but Baby Doll doesn't control everything. She is basing her fantasy in what she is seing. Maybe if a german soldier or an orc punches any of them it won't matter. But what about Rocket? She gets badly wounded in the reality, and the main character introduces that in the "dream". So they are in danger. In the real world. And about the brothel complaints: the girls do NOT dream or wish to be in a nicely decorated brothel. They are actually abused by the staff of the asylum. Babydoll imagines the brothel stuff to make it easier to manage.
The visual part is awesome, the music fits perfectly, the performances are good enough. The script has some gaps. Does the script make the movie deserve all the gakstorm it's getting? IMHO no, it doesn't.
It's not The Matrix, but it's FUN.
Also, I don't think it's sexist at all. Looks like there is an issue with female characters in "male/teen oriented" movies. If they are in a kitchen, it's sexist. If they are in the first line of fire, it's sexist. If they are students, it's sexist. Anything they do, somebody will come up and say it's sexist. I don't understand it.
This. Saw it last night and it was very entertaining.
Ouze wrote:I saw this about 2 weeks ago, and I'm still pretty conflicted about this.
+ There are a lot of great visuals
+ the action is well choreographed
+ the music is very good
+ the girls are very pretty
- the plot is, to be honest, not really there
- some of the dialogue is poor
- the ending is very poor
- sense, it makes none
It was cool to see a lot of the wild action scenes, but I wish they could have done better on the story and some of the character development. I guess there was supposed to be some kind of feminist, girl power type theme? Hard to see it when all the girls are dressed like hookers, with names like "babydoll". One of the critics described it as the fantasy of a hentai & video game obsessed 14 year old boy, and I guess that was pretty accurate. I didn't hate it, but I certainly didn't love it either. I think there were some threads of greatness that weren't coaxed into fruition.
how did you see it 2 weeks ago?
To answer your negative points:
- The plot is there, obviously you missed something major due to distractions?
- The dialogue is fine for its intended audience.
- The ending is spectacular... again, i believe you are going in with unreasonable expectations or believing this film to be of another genre if you did not enjoy it.
I saw it last night and was a little disappointed to be honest.
-The action sequences were great (and I loved the music) but after the first couple of minutes it got fairly repetitive.
-I felt no real attachment to the characters at all. Rocket was likeable,
Spoiler:
and her death did come as a surprise in a 'gak just got real' kind of way, but there is no attachment or real sense of loss after that. It basically became 'whoops, there goes another one'
-Things didn't always seem to mesh between reality and the fantasy. Either the fantasy should be seperate with the reality or should be connected, not haphazard.
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Such as Blondie and Ambers death. Sure, I didn't feel anything for it really, but I was kind of annoyed that their death from 'shot by pimp' wasn't really translated into how they were killed in the insane asylum, since everything else was.
-The ending came across as a bit cheap. I definitely had the impression that by that point the producers had gone 'Oh well, we've run out of action sequences to throw at the audience. Let's try and chuck something deep and meaningful together or someshite.'
I feel that it was a hit-and-miss. Definitely could have done a lot more with that.
Well as a visual director Zach Synder is amazing. But personally this movie was just stupid. And I had a friend told me that the action scenes were scenes that show her fighting her inner demons. Really? how does this help her find the objects if it is not the same reality? Inner Demons opposing what on her?? Does the movie point out that Babydoll feels she is being haunted by demons?? No! My Friend comes up with excuse after excuse to try to prove her point that this is a great movie. And I know she knows it doesn't make any sense as it did to me.
Warboss Narznok wrote:Well as a visual director Zach Synder is amazing. But personally this movie was just stupid. And I had a friend told me that the action scenes were scenes that show her fighting her inner demons. Really? how does this help her find the objects if it is not the same reality? Inner Demons opposing what on her?? Does the movie point out that Babydoll feels she is being haunted by demons?? No! My Friend comes up with excuse after excuse to try to prove her point that this is a great movie. And I know she knows it doesn't make any sense as it did to me.
Your 'friend's failure to convert you is not a substantial critique.
Neither are, "just stupid" or "doesnt make sense"... please convince us by expanding this.
I thoroughly enjoyed the movie for what it represented to me.
Erasoketa wrote:I saw the movie yesterday, and I liked it. It's not a masterpiece, but no way it is the gak many people says.
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About the reality/imagination thing: Yes, everything happens in her imagination, but Baby Doll doesn't control everything. She is basing her fantasy in what she is seeing. Maybe if a german soldier or an orc punches any of them it won't matter. But what about Rocket? She gets badly wounded in the reality, and the main character introduces that in the "dream". So they are in danger. In the real world. And about the brothel complaints: the girls do NOT dream or wish to be in a nicely decorated brothel. They are actually abused by the staff of the asylum. Babydoll imagines the brothel stuff to make it easier to manage.
The visual part is awesome, the music fits perfectly, the performances are good enough. The script has some gaps. Does the script make the movie deserve all the gakstorm it's getting? IMHO no, it doesn't.
It's not The Matrix, but it's FUN.
Also, I don't think it's sexist at all. Looks like there is an issue with female characters in "male/teen oriented" movies. If they are in a kitchen, it's sexist. If they are in the first line of fire, it's sexist. If they are students, it's sexist. Anything they do, somebody will come up and say it's sexist. I don't understand it.
I think you missed the point. Babydoll is very much aware of the sexual abuse and she uses it to her advantage. The brothel is Blues fantasy and the way he sees things.
When she first comes to the asylum she sees the things that can help her escape but has no way of getting them. When they get to the theater is when you first start to become aware of Blues abuse. He tells the father that the Dr. has the girls reenact past abuse on the stage as a form of treatment and this turns him on. In Blues alternate reality of the brothel these reenactments are what he calls dance auditions and it is how he picks the girls to "perform" ( the ones he sexually assaults).
When the other girls explain to Babydoll what goes on she figures out the weapon she can use to get the items to escape, her sexuality. Up until this point Blue had been abusing girls who didn't enjoy it, but when Babydoll has her "dance audition"(reenacts abuse for the Dr.) she acts like she enjoys it. In fact, after she finishes one of the girls says what was all that moaning and grinding about!
So in reality Babydoll is seducing the Asylum employees and acting like she enjoys it so the girls will have more time to steal the things they need. The fantasy combat scenes are how Babydoll emotionally disconnects herself from what she is doing. In the first battle when she is performing her "audition" the old man (guardian angle) tells her she must protect herself. This is her trying to mentally prepare herself for what she will have to do. The subsequent battles are her way of imagining fighting and conquering something that is disgusting to her(sleeping with the men).
That is just the beginning of the basic story arc. The underlying theme is that the movie is one big metaphor of the story of Catholicism
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allowed to see it. Not only that, we have our faces rubbed in it through the entire movie. The fantasy is that the girls are semi exotic dancers, and we're told this repeatedly. We see them warm up in their dance room, we see them in costume, ALL the other movie characters get to see them dance and say, "Oh god damn! That was an awesome dance! 
And she said it was pretty good too, so no problems there.