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New Chaos Gods @ 2011/03/24 16:39:17


Post by: Urien_Rakarth


I was thinking, and you know how Slaanesh was made, as there was a sort of critical mass of Excess reached in the universe.
Couldn't this mean that there could actually be more chaos gods waiting in the warp?

I had an idea for 1:
The Imperium has loads of poverty and misery, right?
So couldn't there eventually, if things stay the way they are, be a Chaos god of Misery forming?

Just an idea


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/03/24 16:56:51


Post by: Son 0f Dorn


Quite the opposite. All of the worship and sacrifice to the emperor is creating something in the warp as well. Search Star Child on the lexicanum.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/03/24 17:09:56


Post by: NagothDaCleaver



But, yes, it is technically true that if there was an over abundance of one kind of feeling/emotion/act, especially by a populous and powerfully psychic race like the Eldar were at the time, that there would eventually be a fifth chaos power born.

As far as misery goes, i think that falls a little close to the realm of Papa Nurgle to ever be it's own force in the warp.



New Chaos Gods @ 2011/03/24 17:39:08


Post by: Urien_Rakarth


Son 0f Dorn wrote:Quite the opposite. All of the worship and sacrifice to the emperor is creating something in the warp as well. Search Star Child on the lexicanum.


Lexicanum?


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New Chaos Gods @ 2011/03/24 17:41:16


Post by: NagothDaCleaver


Urien_Rakarth wrote:
Son 0f Dorn wrote:Quite the opposite. All of the worship and sacrifice to the emperor is creating something in the warp as well. Search Star Child on the lexicanum.


Lexicanum?


Now you can lose hours of your life to the interwebs...

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Main_Page


The specific article he refers to is

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Star_Child

Have fun


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/03/24 17:44:45


Post by: Son 0f Dorn


Plus, there was also a fifth chaos god who was exiled by the others (written out about same time as squats) who fed on other chaos gods. The cults of this god would attack other chaos cults and even themselves.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/03/24 17:50:58


Post by: Uhlan


I discussed the 'remaking' of the Emperor in another thread. Originallly, in certain fluff the Emperor came about when several thousand Shaman/psykers voluntarily sacrificed themselves in order to bring about the protector of mankind. Now, billions of 'souls' are force fed to the Golden throne and the Astronomicon. What consequence this will have on the Emperors rebirth and what form it will take is open for some lively debate.

Maybe, the Emperor will return as a god... or at least admit it this time around.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/03/24 17:55:55


Post by: Son 0f Dorn


Ho ho! It is an interesting prospect for the advancement of story in the next rulebook, but the star child has been declared non-canon. :(
We also read that when all the edlar die, their essences will come together in the warp to destroy Slaneesh. What will that do, I wonder.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/03/24 18:23:13


Post by: Uhlan


@Sons of Dorn

Did they declare the Star Child Non-canon at the same time they declared the Sensei defunct as well? I assumed they kept everything afloat using 'rumor' and false dogma as a pretense toward keeping fluff options open.

In other words you never really know whats true or false.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/03/24 18:30:04


Post by: Son 0f Dorn


Actually, the article has been modified since I last read it so I believe you are correct


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/03/24 18:30:58


Post by: Andilus Greatsword


Go great, the Emo God of Chaos... just what we need.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/03/24 18:33:02


Post by: Uhlan


Yeah, quite the ham-handed way of doing things, oh well.

But how does one tie a million fluff threads together without making really egregious boo-boos?



New Chaos Gods @ 2011/03/24 18:34:16


Post by: Son 0f Dorn


Midichlorians. Duh!


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/03/24 18:37:11


Post by: AlmightyWalrus


Andilus Greatsword wrote:Go great, the Emo God of Chaos... just what we need.


Slaanesh has that one covered, as does Khorne.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/03/24 18:42:05


Post by: Henners91


The one god that I felt had a niche nobody else covers would be a God of conformity and uniformity... It seems as if all of the Chaos Gods reward individuals that seek to do well for themselves. Perhaps Nurgle has the whole family love and comradeship thing, but even he has his champions.

What about a god that capitalised on all of the conformity in the Imperium? His followers are told to make do with their lot, to not try to differentiate themselves, hell they all change their names to Steve (yes this god is Marik Ishtar)...

In short, a god who doesn't accept the offerings of one but rather the joint offering of many, a god whose followers content themselves with simply coasting through life and not attempting to be remarkable.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/03/24 18:47:45


Post by: Son 0f Dorn


It's very possible one previously existed. There were several 'friendly' Eldar gods before the fall. Most of them were destroyed or captured by the 4.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/03/24 18:47:55


Post by: ZacktheChaosChild


I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Malal yet.

*Inquisition bursts through the door*


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/03/24 18:48:59


Post by: Son 0f Dorn


ZacktheChaosChild wrote:I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Malal yet.

*Inquisition bursts through the door*


I did earlier. Just couldn't remember the name


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/03/24 18:55:22


Post by: Mr Nobody


Henners91 wrote:The one god that I felt had a niche nobody else covers would be a God of conformity and uniformity... It seems as if all of the Chaos Gods reward individuals that seek to do well for themselves. Perhaps Nurgle has the whole family love and comradeship thing, but even he has his champions.

What about a god that capitalised on all of the conformity in the Imperium? His followers are told to make do with their lot, to not try to differentiate themselves, hell they all change their names to Steve (yes this god is Marik Ishtar)...

In short, a god who doesn't accept the offerings of one but rather the joint offering of many, a god whose followers content themselves with simply coasting through life and not attempting to be remarkable.


Conformity is a lack of emotion, there's nothing for a warp entity to feed off of.

@OP: misery leads to either despair and apathy, so Nurgle; or leads to desperation and a the struggle for power, so Tzeentch.

I imagine a God of greed, not like apetite like Slaanesh, but hoarding of wealth and power for the sake of ownership.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/03/24 18:58:14


Post by: NagothDaCleaver


As far as i know GW has never "officially" declared the Star Child/Sensei/Illuminati stuff dead and gone, there is just more recent stuff that contradicts parts of it. So the Interweb community now considers it non-canon.

If any one knows different and can link to GW declaring this stuff dead and gone than please do.

I know there are, at the very least, still factions of Inquisitors that believe in the Star Child/Sensei/Illuminati stuff.







New Chaos Gods @ 2011/03/24 19:16:49


Post by: Uhlan


Mr Nobody wrote:
Henners91 wrote:The one god that I felt had a niche nobody else covers would be a God of conformity and uniformity... It seems as if all of the Chaos Gods reward individuals that seek to do well for themselves. Perhaps Nurgle has the whole family love and comradeship thing, but even he has his champions.

What about a god that capitalised on all of the conformity in the Imperium? His followers are told to make do with their lot, to not try to differentiate themselves, hell they all change their names to Steve (yes this god is Marik Ishtar)...

In short, a god who doesn't accept the offerings of one but rather the joint offering of many, a god whose followers content themselves with simply coasting through life and not attempting to be remarkable.


Conformity is a lack of emotion, there's nothing for a warp entity to feed off of.

@OP: misery leads to either despair and apathy, so Nurgle; or leads to desperation and a the struggle for power, so Tzeentch.

I imagine a God of greed, not like apetite like Slaanesh, but hoarding of wealth and power for the sake of ownership.


Exactly.

Though I might add that Slaanesh would encompass greed as well. I think that's what sets Slaanesh apart is that he is more than just nibbling at the edge of the other gods domains. I don't think he's the 4th part of the whole at all, but something else entirely. Hoarding wealth the way its described above is denial in the face of need which causes desperation.

Emotion creates the ripples in the warp that many of the psychically tuned races fear and the Chaos Gods rely on. Humanity keeps feeding the tempest in the warp with its unrestrained psychic expansion. The Eldar have tried to limit their effect on the warp by instituting massive controls which have seriously changed their culture. This is viewed as the 'loss' of certain gods, etc...

Humanity, as of the 41st millenium is going the denial route and trying to impose strict controls. Deny yourself the warp and you'll be safe would be the mantra for the untold billions in the Imperium. This is proving virtually impossible as the human race is still undergoing a tremendous transformation to 'something' new. Humanity would either transform, or fall completely as it doesn't have the discipline of the Eldar to remake itself. This was the goal of the Emperor as he had forseen this. His legacy has become more and more distorted in the last 10k millenia, but there are a few lights twinkling in the darkness who know the truth of it all.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/03/24 20:06:30


Post by: Dark Apostle 666


How about the god of overpowering codexes?
Yes, the one known as Ward...


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/03/24 20:20:27


Post by: vitki


Weren't the Exodite Eldar working on creating a new god from their world spirits?

Been trying to find something about it, but my google-fu is weak today.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/03/24 20:23:10


Post by: Uhlan


Dark Apostle 666 wrote:How about the god of overpowering codexes?
Yes, the one known as Ward...


A Chaos God named 'Ward'... the irony.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/03/24 20:45:31


Post by: NagothDaCleaver


vitki wrote:
Been trying to find something about it, but my google-fu is weak today.


Mine too... I blame Matt WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARD!!!!!!

and AL Gore...


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/03/25 10:02:49


Post by: Henners91


Mr Nobody wrote:
Henners91 wrote:The one god that I felt had a niche nobody else covers would be a God of conformity and uniformity... It seems as if all of the Chaos Gods reward individuals that seek to do well for themselves. Perhaps Nurgle has the whole family love and comradeship thing, but even he has his champions.

What about a god that capitalised on all of the conformity in the Imperium? His followers are told to make do with their lot, to not try to differentiate themselves, hell they all change their names to Steve (yes this god is Marik Ishtar)...

In short, a god who doesn't accept the offerings of one but rather the joint offering of many, a god whose followers content themselves with simply coasting through life and not attempting to be remarkable.


Conformity is a lack of emotion, there's nothing for a warp entity to feed off of.

@OP: misery leads to either despair and apathy, so Nurgle; or leads to desperation and a the struggle for power, so Tzeentch.

I imagine a God of greed, not like apetite like Slaanesh, but hoarding of wealth and power for the sake of ownership.


Anxiety, self-loathing (rather an opposite to Nurgle in that respect) and camaraderie?


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/03/25 20:58:57


Post by: Urien_Rakarth


Fear!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'VE GOT IT!!!!!!!!!!
5th CHAOS GOD OF FEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/03/25 21:59:18


Post by: Melkhiordarkblade


I remember there was a piece in an old codex saying that there is many,many Chaos gods but they are small and short lived while others are just gods those worship really just ends up feeding one of the big 4.


I'm sure things like daemons made from the emotions of a local population is made the same way as gods just not enough worshipers.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/03/25 22:30:12


Post by: Mr. Suduku


I believe there is quite a few Chaos Gods, due to the fact that Games Workshop has created one or two warbands that worship said gods. However, they are not one of the four "Great Powers", and tend to be worshipped by only about a communion of about a hundred or so.

And I think Malal would have eventually have become the fifth Chaos God, had the legal hoo-hah not ensued.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/03/25 23:42:30


Post by: Son 0f Dorn


I like to think they brought Malal back as the tyranids. Shadow in the warp makes them anti-psychers, and they destroy all of the food for the other gods. No people, no emotions or worshipers.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/03/26 00:32:04


Post by: TyraelVladinhurst


Uhlan wrote:@Sons of Dorn

In other words you never really know whats true or false.

thank the Alpha Legion for that, lol


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/03/26 01:42:31


Post by: Mr Nobody


Urien_Rakarth wrote:Fear!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'VE GOT IT!!!!!!!!!!
5th CHAOS GOD OF FEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You know... why isn't there one, you could get really unique with that one.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/03/26 03:28:43


Post by: bigmek35


Is saw a realy cool idea of a chaos god of time, and how his followers where imortal and never aged.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/03/26 03:46:29


Post by: Kasrkai


I like that fear idea. Time too. After all, you get only so much time to live, and all mortals fear death. I need a write-f*g.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/03/27 01:39:24


Post by: Mr Nobody


The last two posts should be combined into one, "all men fear the march of time". It is fed by fear, but it's powers are based on aging.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/03/27 12:14:18


Post by: Urien_Rakarth


I like it, name anyone?


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Colours?


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/03/27 21:30:08


Post by: tarnish


Son 0f Dorn wrote:I like to think they brought Malal back as the tyranids. Shadow in the warp makes them anti-psychers, and they destroy all of the food for the other gods. No people, no emotions or worshipers.


Now this is extremely far fetched, as the tyranids are utterly uncaring what they eat as long as its tasty

Besides why do it the hard way when you can slug it out in the warp against the gods themselves? the others do that constantly so another god that fights chaos as a whole is pretty redundant to say the least. I guess they decided there was little substance in malal in general and wrote him out. i say good riddens.

as for chaos gods in general its common knowledge that the 4 major powers are simply the big guys. there are more gods then numbers, but most are too minor to deserve a sidenote.
as things are you can invent whatever you like since the warp is literally endless.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/03/27 22:39:27


Post by: Kasrkai


I would vote the name to be Aikar, stemming form aika, Finnish word for time.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/03/28 01:34:13


Post by: Mr Nobody


Kasrkai wrote:I would vote the name to be Aikar, stemming form aika, Finnish word for time.


And color should be grey, or something dour.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/03/28 02:11:38


Post by: papathrax


We already have the 5th Chaos God - Occupational Health and Safety. It's name is Mishap, and feeds on all the time lost to work injuries and accidents, as well as the pisfarting around caused by endless Job Safety Analysis' and risk assessments . Its colours are Hi-Vis Orange and Green with shiny silver stripes.

It's Greater Deamons are not giant bloodthirsty killers, or strange and twisted psykers... they are 5'6", portly middle aged men - half bald with a comb-over - armed only with a clip board, who go from squad to squad, disabling them by forcing them to fill out JSA's for marching, drill, and combat, then forming them into unions in order to strike for better working conditions.

Unfortunately, It's stuck planning its first Safety Crusade because it's still working through the red tape and associated paperwork.... risk assesments on the effects of bolter fire on both the firer and the target... the environmental impact of spent casings....



New Chaos Gods @ 2011/03/28 02:15:21


Post by: Kasrkai


Mr Nobody wrote:
Kasrkai wrote:I would vote the name to be Aikar, stemming form aika, Finnish word for time.


And color should be grey, or something dour.


Like so?

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New Chaos Gods @ 2011/03/28 02:23:50


Post by: Mr Nobody


Kasrkai wrote:
Mr Nobody wrote:
Kasrkai wrote:I would vote the name to be Aikar, stemming form aika, Finnish word for time.


And color should be grey, or something dour.


Like so?


Exactly, I imagine them marching across the battlefield, while smoke or something obscures them.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/03/28 02:27:58


Post by: Kasrkai


Dramatic battle cries, like " your time is up" or something equally cliche. Or maybe just saying tick tock over and over.
Not the song, the sound.
Kesha marines. Eww.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/03/28 13:48:03


Post by: xXSir MontyXx


Kasrkai wrote:Dramatic battle cries, like " your time is up" or something equally cliche. Or maybe just saying tick tock over and over.
Not the song, the sound.
Kesha marines. Eww.


Wow the thought is horrible, noise marines blaring Kesha constantly..... every being in the galaxy would be doomed.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/03/28 17:16:48


Post by: asimo77


Hey my Noise Marines always play Ke$ha! Glad to see I'm not the only one with that idea.

Anyway my CSM fluff is based around the idea that there's a minor Chaos Diety of hypocrisy. I think it's a fairly abstract concept that would make good fodder for a warp being.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/03/28 20:33:22


Post by: Melkhiordarkblade


The Chaos God of Hipsters.

Because the Greater Powers are soooo mainstream.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/03/28 23:34:36


Post by: Son 0f Dorn


tarnish wrote:
Son 0f Dorn wrote:I like to think they brought Malal back as the tyranids. Shadow in the warp makes them anti-psychers, and they destroy all of the food for the other gods. No people, no emotions or worshipers.


Now this is extremely far fetched, as the tyranids are utterly uncaring what they eat as long as its tasty

Besides why do it the hard way when you can slug it out in the warp against the gods themselves? the others do that constantly so another god that fights chaos as a whole is pretty redundant to say the least. I guess they decided there was little substance in malal in general and wrote him out. i say good riddens.

as for chaos gods in general its common knowledge that the 4 major powers are simply the big guys. there are more gods then numbers, but most are too minor to deserve a sidenote.
as things are you can invent whatever you like since the warp is literally endless.


Why fight them in the warp when you can destroy their fuel? Malal already got whooped before so why would he fight them where they are strongest?

Plus, as nobody has touched the hive mind, we don't know what it's thinking. Nids themselves are a mindless extention of it's will and do not actually eat any of it. That's done solely by rippers.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/03/31 14:56:19


Post by: D.Smith


Son 0f Dorn wrote:Plus, as nobody has touched the hive mind, we don't know what it's thinking.


"ALL I WANTED WAS A HAPPY MEAL!!!!!!!" <----- The hive minds endless torment ever since its mother didnt let it have a macdonalds..........


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/03/31 16:03:21


Post by: asimo77


Didn't the UM Libby (Tigurius or something) contact the hivemind at some point?


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/03/31 16:41:26


Post by: DarknessEternal


Please stop saying "fifth" chaos god; there are hundreds.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/03/31 21:39:31


Post by: Kasrkai


DarknessEternal wrote:Please stop saying "fifth" chaos god; there are hundreds.


I'd say the big four are the only "real' Chaos Gods. I consider the lesser Deities to be Arch-Daemons or something similar.

Anyway, the idea of linking a Chaos God to the Tyranids is a daring one to put forth. The idea that Malal returns with his Tyranids to finally end the inner conflict of the Chaos Gods is interesting, but would culminate into his own destruction, as that is where he draws his power, no? But I'm really having fun with the Time God thing. The Emprah is running out of time himself. Sounds like a buffet to me.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/01 00:44:40


Post by: DarthLakey


there is Archaon


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/01 18:02:23


Post by: Urien_Rakarth


Who is Malal?


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Mr Nobody wrote:The last two posts should be combined into one, "all men fear the march of time". It is fed by fear, but it's powers are based on aging.


I think I like this Idea best.

a name could be Grímur- it comes from the Icelandic for grim (endless time spend on google translate loooking for cool sounding words!) or Sker-reaper in Icelandic.
As for colours I liked Kasrkai's Idea:





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New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/03 00:20:34


Post by: Austragalis


Any powerful entity that exists in the warp is technically a God. That includes the Emperor/Star Child, Hive Mind, Chaos, Gork and Mork, etc.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/03 06:51:38


Post by: Urien_Rakarth


what about the Daemons. All the other 4's daemons are superior to each other in some way. Nurgle is very hard to kill with 2 wounds on basic plaguebearers. Slaanesh is f@#*ing fast, Tzeench is Psychic to the extreme, if I recall corectly pink horrors even get some psychics. Then Khorne I don't remember. The time gods could cause fear,/be mega strong?


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/03 06:59:20


Post by: zxwarrior


I think the "sixth" would be something along the lines of death. fifth being malal. but look at the universe and all you will see is death in every corner of the universe.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/03 08:11:38


Post by: asimo77


One of Nurgle's domains is death


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/03 19:57:13


Post by: Kasrkai


Urien_Rakarth wrote:what about the Daemons. All the other 4's daemons are superior to each other in some way. Nurgle is very hard to kill with 2 wounds on basic plaguebearers. Slaanesh is f@#*ing fast, Tzeench is Psychic to the extreme, if I recall corectly pink horrors even get some psychics. Then Khorne I don't remember. The time gods could cause fear,/be mega strong?


Maybe rewind a roll?
That would piss me off.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/03 20:02:11


Post by: Mr Nobody


Kasrkai wrote:
Urien_Rakarth wrote:what about the Daemons. All the other 4's daemons are superior to each other in some way. Nurgle is very hard to kill with 2 wounds on basic plaguebearers. Slaanesh is f@#*ing fast, Tzeench is Psychic to the extreme, if I recall corectly pink horrors even get some psychics. Then Khorne I don't remember. The time gods could cause fear,/be mega strong?


Maybe rewind a roll?
That would piss me off.


Rerolls, sperior armor saves, special powers that reduce the enemy's stats.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/04 03:13:21


Post by: FlammingGaunt


Mr Nobody wrote:
Urien_Rakarth wrote:Fear!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'VE GOT IT!!!!!!!!!!
5th CHAOS GOD OF FEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You know... why isn't there one, you could get really unique with that one.

I've actually worked that into one of my Dark Heresy campaigns his Daemons were based on the fears I quickly grouped together: Darkness, Mutation, War, Unknown, Mortality(death), Tyrants, and Divine.
Also all hail Malal! Fear his Doomed ones.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/04 03:28:23


Post by: asimo77


Is there really no god of fear? That seems like a missed opportunity. Also is there one for sadism or cruelty? There seems to be a lot of that in 40k


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/04 03:33:25


Post by: -Loki-


Fear as an emotion has its roots in different things. I'd assume all of the Chaos gods draw from it depending on what it is fear of.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/04 03:35:42


Post by: asimo77


You know the Nightbringer covers the fear domain. He isn't a chaos god, but why double up on one aspect? That being said Tzeentch, the Deciever, and Cegorach are all quite similar. But then again that creates some cool interplay between all these super crafty dieties. I can't see the benefit of multiple fear gods though.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/04 03:36:14


Post by: -Loki-


Son 0f Dorn wrote:Plus, as nobody has touched the hive mind, we don't know what it's thinking. Nids themselves are a mindless extention of it's will and do not actually eat any of it. That's done solely by rippers.


Try reading some Tigerius fluff. He has touched the Hive Mind. It's a soulless, emotionless intellect with an insatiable hunger, nothing more.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/08 13:33:17


Post by: tarnish


we might get closer to something usefull by defining the existing gods.
Khorne: God of rage and the emotions associated with battle - honor and so forth.
Slaanesh: God of lust, sensations and to some degree fear too. Its a sensation and is probably as pleasurable to him as lust.
Nurgle: God of stagnation and death, corruption, greed and stillness. he is in many ways the embodiment of the imperial ideal. An oppressor.
Tzeentch: God of Intrigue, power hunger and conspiracies. Envy and manipulations feed him as much as the lust for the arcane, magic being a tool to achieve power.

Unless im mistaking then the god of fear is allready there, so is the god of death and time... well... these things feed of emotions. what emotions are associated with time? fear of aging?

Possibly a god of arrogance and pride, who whispers to those that do terrible things in the name of a cause or because they feel they must. pushing them to even greater limits of atrocity. a god of the misguided and the desperate. but i guess about all of the above would be up for that kind of work.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/08 13:55:11


Post by: Harriticus


Instead of bringing new Gods, just bring back Malal. Adjust him a bit to make him more sinister as well. Adding concepts such as treachery, anarchy, and so on.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/08 16:08:20


Post by: Hawkward


A possible solution to the problem of Chaos armies having limited options in the god department would be to define and characterize each major Chaos trait, build special Rules for each trait, and allow Chaos Lords to equip them as smaller, weaker versions of Marks. With a few additions, it would create a system that would allow any player to mix and match several Marks to create their own minor Chaos God.

KHORNE
- Blood
- War
- Death
- Rage

NURGLE
- Disease
- Corruption
- Destruction
- Despair

SLAANESH
- Sensation
- Passion
- Pride
- Temptation

TZEENTCH
- Change
- Fate
- Sorcery
- Deceit

Now, take three total from any Chaos God, order them in terms of importance, and congratulations! You have a minor God of the Warp. For example, if I took Corruption, Death and War, I can create the Daemon God Chemosh, an ally of Nurgle with his own play style and fluff that could complement Nurgle very nicely. With the ranking system and the ability to stack such abilitiies, I believe this leaves room for at least four thousand unique combinations.



New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/08 20:00:43


Post by: Urien_Rakarth


I really like the last idea, and it even half fits with the fluff as Chaos gods come about when anough worship/devotion/ what they are comes about and happens and gathers in the warp. I like the idea as well as of chosing your own aspects of the different Chaos gods in a mix-and-match scenario, as you often find with armies generally you are often limited to the things you can take, ie. The old DE really made you choose between a Wych Cult or a Kabal, with not much room for varition in either, or Chaos Divided for obvious reasons.
I do however like the idea of another Chaos God of Time/Fear. Some CSM armour colours were made on page2, and I thought some thought could be given to Daemons.
I came up with the Chaos God Sker-
-Fear
-Time
-Age
-Sorrow
His greater Daemons would be Bringers of Terror, his elite would be Youth Thieves, and his lesser Daemons would be Omen Bearers. I think that the Omen Bearers should look like hooded black and gold figures, whilst Youth Theives should look similar with bare skulls, reapers, and some sort of weapon, maybe the reapers, which instantly stole any enemies youth and turned them into old frail figures, much like the DE Chronos does. The Bringer of Terror could mabe look abit like the Nightbringer on DoW Soulstorm, with a leering face and black and gold robes swirling around him, possibly with a signiature weapon like the reaper, but could be different.
Finally, the black in the colour sceme could be changed for grey, and I haven't yet come up with a signiature trait like all the other Chaos Gods have, so someone could help me there?
Thats all, so hope you like!

P.S Whp is Malal?


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/08 20:02:30


Post by: DarknessEternal


Urien_Rakarth wrote:
I came up with the Chaos God Sker-
-Fear
-Time
-Age
-Sorrow

Those things are all covered by Nurgle.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/08 21:11:52


Post by: Mr Nobody


Urien_Rakarth wrote:I really like the last idea, and it even half fits with the fluff as Chaos gods come about when anough worship/devotion/ what they are comes about and happens and gathers in the warp. I like the idea as well as of chosing your own aspects of the different Chaos gods in a mix-and-match scenario, as you often find with armies generally you are often limited to the things you can take, ie. The old DE really made you choose between a Wych Cult or a Kabal, with not much room for varition in either, or Chaos Divided for obvious reasons.
I do however like the idea of another Chaos God of Time/Fear. Some CSM armour colours were made on page2, and I thought some thought could be given to Daemons.
I came up with the Chaos God Sker-
-Fear
-Time
-Age
-Sorrow
His greater Daemons would be Bringers of Terror, his elite would be Youth Thieves, and his lesser Daemons would be Omen Bearers. I think that the Omen Bearers should look like hooded black and gold figures, whilst Youth Theives should look similar with bare skulls, reapers, and some sort of weapon, maybe the reapers, which instantly stole any enemies youth and turned them into old frail figures, much like the DE Chronos does. The Bringer of Terror could mabe look abit like the Nightbringer on DoW Soulstorm, with a leering face and black and gold robes swirling around him, possibly with a signiature weapon like the reaper, but could be different.
Finally, the black in the colour sceme could be changed for grey, and I haven't yet come up with a signiature trait like all the other Chaos Gods have, so someone could help me there?
Thats all, so hope you like!

P.S Whp is Malal?


I imagine it having a bit of a nihilist personality, being very dour and negative.


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DarknessEternal wrote:
Urien_Rakarth wrote:
I came up with the Chaos God Sker-
-Fear
-Time
-Age
-Sorrow

Those things are all covered by Nurgle.


I always thought Nurgle was apathy and acceptance of the end.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/08 21:41:44


Post by: DarknessEternal


Mr Nobody wrote:
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DarknessEternal wrote:
Urien_Rakarth wrote:
I came up with the Chaos God Sker-
-Fear
-Time
-Age
-Sorrow

Those things are all covered by Nurgle.


I always thought Nurgle was apathy and acceptance of the end.

He has the most diversified portfolio of the big 4, but entropy and despair covers all of those things mentioned.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/08 21:42:02


Post by: Kasrkai


The new God definitely needs to be a piss-ant.
Khorne: Angry
Tzeentch: Don't really know. JUST AS PLANNED
Slaanesh: Thrill-seeker
Nurgle: Cheerful

Now he needs to be a depressed kind of piss-an, like an irritable emo. Not in an old man angry way, that would be Khorney.

@Urien_Rakarth: Sker?


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/09 09:02:41


Post by: Urien_Rakarth


So your saying maybe really annoyed at life, hates everything in existance kind of thing?... I like this but I think it is quite close to Khorne, so maybe instead of the bloody-guts anger you imagine with Khorne, a sort of Cold-Blooded Black Hate for the new God, Sker.


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WHO IS MALAL?


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I came up with the name Sker a page ago, by using the Icelandic transalation for something


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Kasrkai wrote:
Urien_Rakarth wrote:what about the Daemons. All the other 4's daemons are superior to each other in some way. Nurgle is very hard to kill with 2 wounds on basic plaguebearers. Slaanesh is f@#*ing fast, Tzeench is Psychic to the extreme, if I recall corectly pink horrors even get some psychics. Then Khorne I don't remember. The time gods could cause fear,/be mega strong?


Maybe rewind a roll?
That would piss me off.


Actually I think thats quite a good idea... plus it adds to the time aspect. It might be abit powerfull for just the basic infantry, though.
Maybe once per battle each unit of Sker Daemons could rewind time one turn?
Next aspect, what about a symbol?

PS How do you upload pics, ie does the pic already have to be on the internet? in a file? on the Dakka gallery?


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/09 14:18:12


Post by: Kasrkai


I'd say a symbol would need to use hard geometry, so-as to show how very dour he is.

I know it sucks. Get someone with talent to do something, this is a thirty-second sketch idea.


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New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/09 18:54:49


Post by: Urien_Rakarth


I really like this, but I think it, like the other Chaos symbols, should be more hollow and an elaborate shape. I got the idea of ssomething like an octogan with 4 scarab like legs branching of the middle 4 points, and a broken top with some sort of rune coming inwards. I'll try and upload it soon.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/09 21:59:05


Post by: Kasrkai


Urien_Rakarth wrote:I really like this, but I think it, like the other Chaos symbols, should be more hollow and an elaborate shape. I got the idea of ssomething like an octogan with 4 scarab like legs branching of the middle 4 points, and a broken top with some sort of rune coming inwards. I'll try and upload it soon.


Interesting... I made mine bland to give the idea that he is SO much different that other gods. On the outside, anyway.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/10 11:11:52


Post by: Henners91


Ageing, decay and death would fall within Nurgle's purview imo...

But raw fear, that's interesting.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/10 22:00:49


Post by: Kasrkai


Henners91 wrote:Ageing, decay and death would fall within Nurgle's purview imo...

But raw fear, that's interesting.


Dunno about aging, but death and decay are probably Nurgle's alright.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/10 22:22:11


Post by: Mr Nobody


Henners91 wrote:Ageing, decay and death would fall within Nurgle's purview imo...

But raw fear, that's interesting.


We came up with time because we figured that's what people fear most, though we could just make the chaos god a giant boogeyman.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/11 01:17:38


Post by: thermatic


its funny how every one views nurgle as decay and death when he isent. Read the daemon codex and army book and you find out he treats his daemons like children and the diseases as gifts. Nurgle while yes the god of diseases, he is also the god of joy and people living their life ( not to be confused with pleasures of life). Read the beasts of nurgle and you find that they try and find "play things" and lavish effection on them.

As for malak, he is still around to some people as he is anarchy and the fear of oppression. Their wont be another chaos god because the way i see it after what malak did in the early days they wouldent risk having someone as powerful as all four of them.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/11 08:00:17


Post by: Urien_Rakarth


Its interesting that nurgle theory that he is also the god of kindness and life. Slaanesh is joy to all levels, and Tzeench is hope. It seems with out the Chaos Gods life could not function at all, or if it could it would just be an eternity of Imperial oppresion? IMHO


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/11 09:05:58


Post by: thermatic


Urien_Rakarth races can live with out the chaos gods,Tau for example have no soul thus no ties to the warp and that means they cant influence the gods or create daemons. If no chaos gods existed than anything with a soul or connection to psychic powers wouldent exist.

gingers would be fine tho we dont have souls


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/11 10:06:03


Post by: Urien_Rakarth


What I mean is things could exist, but for instance, without Tzeench, lord of Change and Hope, life would never change, and there would be no hope for change or freedom. Things could live, but Chaos is needed to an extent or an almost new form of Chaos would become, the Chaos of order.
On the Tau if you look at them they have no freedom- the Ethereals dominate their lives intirely- only those who have broken away-Farsight for instace-could possibly be said to have something close to souls. Likewise you never hear of them having any fun-they're born into a caste, live a set out and dull life-then die. And they have no ties to Slaanesh. Do you see my point?


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/11 10:18:08


Post by: thermatic


Tau do have freedom with farsight showing they can break away from the higher evolution of the ethereals and you cant say tau have no freedom because the Ethereal is like the emperor he controls people and they obay reguardless and humans have a link to chaos. The gods were created through creatures with a link, even without the gods creatures would beable to live their life because the chaos gods do not control life or hope but are the manifestations of them.

A prime example is slaanesh, their was pleasure long before it was created. Life changes reguardless and the chaos gods have no control over that since they are the physical manifestation of the emotion's. If Tzeench was the true god of change and hope he could control it,he could destroy anything and change the past, present and future but cannot. You have to understand Urien That the gods are created through souls of creatures with emotion and if a creature did not have a soul or a link like a blank in humans, They would still beable to live their life reguardless.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/11 11:03:05


Post by: Chaos Emperor


There is God of Fear: Konrad Kurze. I know, he isnt Actually a god, but when has death ever stopped someone in 40K? Lucius has died loads of times for example. Anyway, Kurze could return as the god of fear and vindication. As Kurze saw his assasination as vindication for his actions and he did use fear to keep Nostramo in line, he would be a perfect candidate for a god of fear. Add on the fact that there are numerous references in the Codexes and the rule book to a 'Darkness on the eastern fringe' and darkness is commonly linked to Fear and ALL races feel fear, even space marines (they're trained and altered to block it out) you get the idea that there is something coming.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/11 11:08:43


Post by: thermatic


Chaos Emperor first Konrad Kurze wouldent be the god of fear as the reason he let the assassin kill him was because he felt wrong about what he had become and the "darkness on the eastern fringe" refers to one of two things the tyranids or the necron pylons used to restrict the old ones from entering our galxey.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/11 11:23:11


Post by: Hawkward


IIRC, wasn't it inconclusive whether or not the assassin killed Curze? It was implied, but wasn't outright stated, I think.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/11 11:34:38


Post by: thermatic


Hawkward it was stated in the audio book throne of lies.

Spoiler:
it explains that Curze was killed by a assassin (through a dataslate) and he did not attempt to stop her as he was guilt ridden that he destoryed his home planet and he turned his back on his father and brothers.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/11 11:44:27


Post by: Urien_Rakarth


sorry thermatic-i'm with you now


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/11 11:46:26


Post by: thermatic


hHa all good mate.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/11 11:46:57


Post by: TyraelVladinhurst


thermatic wrote:Hawkward it was stated in the audio book throne of lies.

Spoiler:
it explains that Curze was killed by a assassin (through a dataslate) and he did not attempt to stop her as he was guilt ridden that he destoryed his home planet and he turned his back on his father and brothers.

it was also stated in Lord of Night seeing as 3rd captain saw it all


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/11 16:02:54


Post by: Chaos Emperor


Sorry, it was just a thought.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/11 16:55:39


Post by: Revenent Reiko


aww thats a bit rubbish, never thought they were actually going to come out and tell us that Kurze died :(
i loved the mystery surrounding his assassination, especially that the assassin never came back and the pict recording finished before the final blow was struck....shame


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/15 08:38:56


Post by: Urien_Rakarth


Kasrkai wrote:
Urien_Rakarth wrote:I really like this, but I think it, like the other Chaos symbols, should be more hollow and an elaborate shape. I got the idea of ssomething like an octogan with 4 scarab like legs branching of the middle 4 points, and a broken top with some sort of rune coming inwards. I'll try and upload it soon.


Interesting... I made mine bland to give the idea that he is SO much different that other gods. On the outside, anyway.


A new idea could be to make an almost complete circle, but then at one point have it branch into the centre, where it would be a symbol of fear. Does anyone know any fear symbols?


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Kasrkai wrote:
Mr Nobody wrote:
Kasrkai wrote:I would vote the name to be Aikar, stemming form aika, Finnish word for time.


And color should be grey, or something dour.


Like so?


For a CSM chapter name, the 'Fear Eternal'


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/15 08:55:16


Post by: Mr. Suduku


Of a relatively interesting nature...

I have a dated Chaos Army Book, (Fantasy, but keep on listening) it states cleary that there is hundereds of Chaos Gods who are worshipped in secret throught the Old World. It also states that,

Khorne is the God of Blood, War, and Skulls.

Tzeentch is the God of Magic, Mutation and the /time/stream.

Nurgle is the God of despair, disease and pestilence.

Slaanesh is the Prince of Chaos, master of excess. (All Slaanesh had at the time this book was printed)

There is various other Chaos Gods, such as Malal, the great Destroyer. All the Dark Gods are revered by their acolytes, and feared by mortals.

(This was from a very, VERY old army book)

Also, Furies were originally going to be Malal's daemons.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/15 10:10:35


Post by: Laughing God


I believe fear is covered by nurgle isnt it? (fear of death?)

And couldnt the Tyranids hive mind be considered a chaos god as it resides in the warp and it is nothing but the combined minds and feelings of Zillions of bugs? The all consuming god of hunger?


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/15 10:17:25


Post by: Urien_Rakarth


Nurgle doesn't cover fear, and the Hive Mind is devoid of emotion, so couldn't be a god. And the Tyranids don't feel anything.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/15 17:09:00


Post by: FlammingGaunt


Urien_Rakarth wrote:Nurgle doesn't cover fear, and the Hive Mind is devoid of emotion, so couldn't be a god. And the Tyranids don't feel anything.

Well supposedly they just feel the need to feed. But most likely your correct the hive mind can't be a god from the warp. However when I started wh40k there was a rumor that the hive mind was the Outsider.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/15 19:05:59


Post by: Urien_Rakarth


Outsider is no way the hive mind.
Outsider is completely bonkers, and hive mind is an intellegent hunger.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/16 05:55:32


Post by: FlammingGaunt


I know it was just some silly rumor that I remembered.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/16 06:41:28


Post by: Urien_Rakarth


sure. OK.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/16 15:41:20


Post by: Kasrkai


Yeah, the Hive Mind is quite like a murderous computer.

BACK ON SUBJECT:

The problem is that we don't want to scratch on the other gods' domains, so death isn't available, it is already owned by Nurgle. However aging is not and time is no-one god's domain, so we have our shell:
(Insert name here): Time, Aging, Fear.
Nurgle: Death, Decay, Joy.
Khorne: Violence, Bloodshed, Hate.
Slaanesh: Lust, Pleasure, Pain.
Tzeentch: Plotting, Change, Hope.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/16 15:49:04


Post by: Henners91


Urien_Rakarth wrote:What I mean is things could exist, but for instance, without Tzeench, lord of Change and Hope, life would never change, and there would be no hope for change or freedom. Things could live, but Chaos is needed to an extent or an almost new form of Chaos would become, the Chaos of order.
On the Tau if you look at them they have no freedom- the Ethereals dominate their lives intirely- only those who have broken away-Farsight for instace-could possibly be said to have something close to souls. Likewise you never hear of them having any fun-they're born into a caste, live a set out and dull life-then die. And they have no ties to Slaanesh. Do you see my point?


The Chaos Gods aren't the SOURCE of what they represent: Quite the opposite, they are spawned by emotions that end up in the warp and are empowered by them, meaning they enjoy a parasitic relationship.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/16 17:20:34


Post by: Urien_Rakarth


What about an eternal graveyard where its pitch black the whole time but you can just see what you fear most at the edge of your vision like room 101 for the domain?
Name should definitely be Sker!
For the symbol I came up with an almost complete circle, but where one of the unfinished points branches into the middle to become a skull.
Daemons where explained earlier, and they're hooded, floating completely black with no faces.
Greater Daemons are largely the same, but with swirling, robes and a staff-weapon that drains the youth out of enemies, and some take the shape of what the opponent fears most.


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I'm getting some more models soon, so I might try and make a convesion of the daemon.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/16 17:22:58


Post by: FlammingGaunt


Henners right the chaos gods were created by all the psykers the old ones made to fight the necrons and the C'tan.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/16 20:52:38


Post by: Kasrkai


How about the chaos god of logic. His marines wear no symbols, camouflage according to the environment, and have small pauldrons.
Super-Heresy.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/17 10:00:11


Post by: Urien_Rakarth


Urien_Rakarth wrote:What about an eternal graveyard where its pitch black the whole time but you can just see what you fear most at the edge of your vision like room 101 for the domain?
Name should definitely be Sker!
For the symbol I came up with an almost complete circle, but where one of the unfinished points branches into the middle to become a skull.
Daemons where explained earlier, and they're hooded, floating completely black with no faces.
Greater Daemons are largely the same, but with swirling, robes and a staff-weapon that drains the youth out of enemies, and some take the shape of what the opponent fears most.


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I'm getting some more models soon, so I might try and make a convesion of the daemon.


Keep on topic. Come on, we need this to move along.
Kasrakai if you saw the OP that was the first idea with all the poverty and single style life of the IoM


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/17 17:34:20


Post by: Kasrkai


Personally, I don't like the name sker. I'm not saying Aikar is better, it's just something I googled.
Besides, all of Chaos floats on misery, and uniformity doesn't seem to be something he/she could feed off of.

As for Greater Daemons, I would think of them as always changing age. Not shape though.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/17 18:42:35


Post by: Urien_Rakarth


OK, I liked Sker, as it sounds evil enough, but Aikar sounds too noble and good to me. I also got Grimur. Earlier, I saw Archaon, and whilst this is probably something taken, I like the sound, as it has an ancient ring to it.
What you said about the greater Daemons, I understand the age idea, but I just can't really see that happening, but maybe if it was constantly in a position that acted on everyone's fear, that might be good. Maybe the some of the moderate daemons could be constantly changing age, whilst the others could be shifting on peoples fears?


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Aetox maybe?


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/17 19:05:17


Post by: Mordoskul


Well, when the Emperor dies, the fifth god of chaos will be born. Malal, the god destined to slay his brothers.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/18 03:19:11


Post by: FlammingGaunt


Not Emperor is the Star Child, Malal is chaos tendency to fight itself manifested. his daemons are badass and hunt other daemons Doomed ones I thing they're called. They're black scaled 8ft tall lizardmen with daemon weapons with the souls of daemon hunters inside.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/18 15:41:52


Post by: Mordoskul


FlammingGaunt wrote:Not Emperor is the Star Child, Malal is chaos tendency to fight itself manifested. his daemons are badass and hunt other daemons Doomed ones I thing they're called. They're black scaled 8ft tall lizardmen with daemon weapons with the souls of daemon hunters inside.


That's right. Damn, I wish he was cannon.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/18 21:17:55


Post by: Kasrkai


Urien_Rakarth wrote:OK, I liked Sker, as it sounds evil enough, but Aikar sounds too noble and good to me. I also got Grimur. Earlier, I saw Archaon, and whilst this is probably something taken, I like the sound, as it has an ancient ring to it.
What you said about the greater Daemons, I understand the age idea, but I just can't really see that happening, but maybe if it was constantly in a position that acted on everyone's fear, that might be good. Maybe the some of the moderate daemons could be constantly changing age, whilst the others could be shifting on peoples fears?


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Aetox maybe?


Khorne = Corn.
...

I had this idea earlier, from a dream actually. How about some kind of hour glass with sand that forms peoples worst fears?


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Also, what kind of colors? When I think of time, I think dark teal and similar hues.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/18 22:04:46


Post by: FlammingGaunt


Well in my Dark Heresy campaign I had my players fight a daemon called "darkness" he was based off of pride from full metal alchemist but without the kid. And that's why they now carry flashlights like scared children camping.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/19 16:33:34


Post by: Urien_Rakarth





I had this idea earlier, from a dream actually. How about some kind of hour glass with sand that forms peoples worst fears?

I think this would maybe be an awesome Psychic power, or weapon for the greater Daemon



Also, what kind of colors? When I think of time, I think dark teal and similar hues.


I was thinking more grey and gold, like the CSM from earlier.

P.S. You'll laugh at this What colour is teal?


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/19 20:18:35


Post by: iproxtaco


thermatic wrote:its funny how every one views nurgle as decay and death when he isent. Read the daemon codex and army book and you find out he treats his daemons like children and the diseases as gifts. Nurgle while yes the god of diseases, he is also the god of joy and people living their life ( not to be confused with pleasures of life). Read the beasts of nurgle and you find that they try and find "play things" and lavish effection on them.

As for malak, he is still around to some people as he is anarchy and the fear of oppression. Their wont be another chaos god because the way i see it after what malak did in the early days they wouldent risk having someone as powerful as all four of them.


Nurgle IS the god of decay, always has been. When Nurgle is described in books and codices, it nearly always states he's the god of disease and decay. Nurgle is in no way a god of joy. No Chaos God has any other part of them, a good side. Bad emotions are more prevalent, hence why all Chaos Gods are Gods of anger, hate, decadence, scheming and decay, negative emotions. If another Chaos God were to form, the other four couldn't do a thing about it. Khorne, Nurgle and Tzeentch had been around for a good while when Slannesh formed during the Eldar Fall.


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thermatic wrote:Urien_Rakarth races can live with out the chaos gods,Tau for example have no soul thus no ties to the warp and that means they cant influence the gods or create daemons. If no chaos gods existed than anything with a soul or connection to psychic powers wouldent exist.

gingers would be fine tho we dont have souls


Tau do have souls. They have a very small or no presence in the Warp, so cannot be corrupted in mind, cannot worship or be affected by the powers of the warp in spirit. If a group of Tau were to become trapped in the EOT, they would mutate in body, their mind would just have to watch, completely free of Chaos taint as its body changes. I don't understand, if no Chaos Gods existed, sentient races with a soul wouldn't be able to use psychic powers? Using the powers of the Warp does not rely on the presence of the Chaos Gods. How are Imperial psykers able to use theres if they don't worship them?


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/19 22:01:59


Post by: FlammingGaunt


sorta like orks except not inertly psychic


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/20 02:55:47


Post by: dagsta2


god of happiness ?


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/20 05:22:47


Post by: TheCyben


I'm really liking the idea of a god of fear and death - if we consider Nurgle as a god of LIFE rather than death beacuse decay and rot are caused by living viri and bacteria etc...

If time and time manipulation are his fortes then go ahead and call him Cronos... or if the terror aspect is your thing then you've got all kinds of options.

PLUS a god of death, terror and time has all the undead from WHFB for modeling options. As the nightbringer has the whole grim reaper costume as his thing already, greater Daemons of (insert name here) could manifest as the even older conception of death - a cadaverous and beautiful woman with a sickle (not a scythe) and an hourglass. Lesser daemons as wraiths (those floating robes, or ring wraiths from LOTR), fit some kind of dragon/hyrda in the beast slot (where bloodcrushers and beasts of nurgle go), and imagine the awesomeness of tomb kings conversion scorpions and death-cobra things with guns!

Why did not traitor legions follow this god? They k new no fear, right? But all psykers, even the GKs and Inquisition, know that this god is waiting for them when they finally succumb... sneaking up on them like old age itself!




New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/20 17:47:55


Post by: FlammingGaunt


Well I suppose Ynnead could fill the slot, he is thew god of Death just still being formed. Getting ready to murder Slaanesh.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/20 19:44:50


Post by: Maniac_nmt


Mr Nobody wrote:
Henners91 wrote:
Conformity is a lack of emotion, there's nothing for a warp entity to feed off of.
.


Not so. Conformity is a very strong emotion, the emotional need to fit in, be a part of something.

I once had a Chinese friend tell me in China the desire for conformity and stability was felt as greater then the need for personal freedom. I don't know how true that is, but in the 40k universe it's certainly very true. It's virtually the Imperial credo.

We all suffer from a need to conform, to fit in. Even the greatest non-conformists suffer from it in some way (ever wonder how the disaffected grunge generation, to borrow a term, tends to listen to the same music, wear the same clothes, or go for the same haircuts. As an example is it really non-conformist to get a tatoo, dye your hair, or have piercings? Aren't you really just conforming to a perceived conception of non-conformance?).

Conformity is definitely not a lack or emotion. It is a fundamental thing in human nature.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/20 19:46:31


Post by: DarthLakey


I love this idea. I like the idea of a chaos god of fear, time etc.
No, I think omething like a highly converted nightbringer for a greater daemon, and the woman with sickle for a herald. Discuss.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/20 19:50:59


Post by: Psienesis


Eh, I think the problem with using Time as a portfolio for a Chaos God is that Time... isn't Chaotic. It's a standardized, measured passage of a living being's perception of the events in its life occurring in what appears to be chronological order.

In Wh40k, people with the means (or circumstances) live to incredible ages because they spend a lot of time traveling through the Warp from one destination to another, in addition to medical miracles like rejuvenat and so on. While they may spend six months, a year, whatever in transit, time in the rest of the galaxy passes by at different rates (other than the concept of "meta-time") but that person does not age for however long they spend in the Warp. A Rogue Trader might see three centuries, all told, from the day of his birth to the current date, but since so much of his life is spent in warp transit, he's not *actually* 300 years old... his time spent in the Warp doesn't count, since time does not pass there.

I'm sure there's a better way to explain the concept, but I'm lacking the eloquence to figure it out. Basically, I think that the concept of time, or the human belief in its passage, is a rather alien thing to creatures of the Warp, as time does not pass for them in the sense we mean in this discussion.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/21 07:11:36


Post by: CoI


Also I think aging is part of Nurgle's domain. What is aging other than slow decay? It's our body's inability to compensate any longer. at least that's how its been explained to me...
But I'm loving the ideas you guys are coming up with.
As for one of the previous posts saying that Chaos gods have no good aspects that is very much _not_ true. They're just not as prominent as in the grim darkness of the far future, those aspects don't see the light of day often. So while Slaanesh is lust and sensation, he's _all_ sensations. Good or bad. Nurgle is a god of life as well as death. he's the full circle of life. Tzeench is change, but not all change is bad. ect ect. But I would love to see a good chaos god. One who's bad @ssed like the others, but embodies more good things, while keeping with the whole package.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/21 09:03:45


Post by: TheCyben


Hmmm... a god who is good to the point of insane cruelty? Like the old (real old! I'm talking 2000ad comics old) Judge Death method of solving crime. kill the criminal, and his family, and everyone he's ever talked to, and everyone they've ever met...

In the end you get a crime free society. But it's a society of corpses.

So an overzealously good chaos god could cause more havoc than the others, really...


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/21 16:13:53


Post by: Urien_Rakarth


Urien_Rakarth wrote:


I had this idea earlier, from a dream actually. How about some kind of hour glass with sand that forms peoples worst fears?

I think this would maybe be an awesome Psychic power, or weapon for the greater Daemon



Also, what kind of colors? When I think of time, I think dark teal and similar hues.


I was thinking more grey and gold, like the CSM from earlier.

P.S. You'll laugh at this What colour is teal?


I asked around, and tones of people agree with Tealy colours, so i'm all for it. We'de just have to be careful they're not to Alpha Legiony or Tzeenchy.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/21 16:24:40


Post by: htj


Teal!! Urgh, bleugh! Aw!! Just another good reason to wipe out the foul minions of Chaos.

Yuck.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/21 16:26:39


Post by: Urien_Rakarth


htj wrote:Teal!! Urgh, bleugh! Aw!! Just another good reason to wipe out the foul minions of Chaos.

Yuck.


Mate, we're here to discuss something, not have the mickey taken. If you want to post a comment, post it in a decent way. Otherwise, go find another thread to laugh at and get a life.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/21 16:31:50


Post by: htj


Urien_Rakarth wrote:Mate, we're here to discuss something, not have the mickey taken. If you want to post a comment, post it in a decent way. Otherwise, go find another thread to laugh at and get a life.


Sorry, didn't mean to cause offence. Wasn't taking the mick, just really dislike teal. On a serious note, I'd weigh in for grey and gold. It'd be more distinct from Tzeentch and Slaanesh and somehow speaks more of the domain of the proposed god to me.

Peace?


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/21 18:25:35


Post by: Urien_Rakarth


sorry as well. Keep on topic, and originally, it was going to be Grey/Gold. I think we should put it up for vote, so you, myself, and a couple of users who have contributed can vote.


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These users should vote:

Urien_Rakarth
htj
Kasrkai
Mr.Nobody
DarknessEternal
Hawkward

Just majority will be the primary colours. Maybe we could combine them into one with black and teal primary and gold trims?

I'll keep a tally here:

Grey/Gold::1
Teal::::::::::
Mix::::::::::::1


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/21 18:33:42


Post by: htj


I'll put my vote in for Grey and Gold.

Most of all, I like the colour difference from the pre-existing gods.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/21 23:47:11


Post by: FlammingGaunt


Should be kept darker colours as in theme with the exception of pink for slaanesh, but nobody wants baby blue CSM


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/22 07:19:39


Post by: Urien_Rakarth


Playing around on the Bolter and Chainsword CSM painter, and came up with this for a combination of the colours:

Oh forget it, uploading is evil, so just check my gallery


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/22 10:52:16


Post by: htj


Hmm, I don't know. It looks good, but it looks like a Slaanesh or Tzeentch colour scheme. S'your call in the end though.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/22 11:31:48


Post by: Urien_Rakarth


Well I was trying to encorporate both scemes, what's bad?


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/23 00:28:27


Post by: Kasrkai


Computer virus had me down.
Anyhow, teal wasn't the best word, I kept the gray, and later I had and Idea.
They could look like regular Space Marines, just with a sprinkle of heresy.

Finally: There can be great chaos from obsessive order, and conformity could be a part of his realm.



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WAIT! Gray and Gold would pay homage to Dakka Dakka, would it not?
Everybody loves a good reference.



New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/23 12:55:01


Post by: Mordoskul


This, I like. Teal it is!


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/23 13:00:45


Post by: htj


Urien_Rakarth wrote:Well I was trying to encorporate both scemes, what's bad?


It just speaks of Tzeentch too much to me I think. Doesn't differ enough from the already existing Chaos gods.

I like the grey and teal there from Kasrkai there. Keeps a similar feel, but is unique enough to step away from the big four.


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Kasrkai wrote:WAIT! Gray and Gold would pay homage to Dakka Dakka, would it not?
Everybody loves a good reference.


Hmm, the god would have to be called 'Modd' or some such then.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/25 19:01:18


Post by: IronChaos


There's some unofficial fluff about Kaaleth, Fire God, which was created when Khârn became The Betrayer and was the cult for The Pyre legion. You can google it.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/26 08:16:19


Post by: Urien_Rakarth


Kasrkai wrote:Computer virus had me down.
Anyhow, teal wasn't the best word, I kept the gray, and later I had and Idea.
They could look like regular Space Marines, just with a sprinkle of heresy.

Finally: There can be great chaos from obsessive order, and conformity could be a part of his realm.



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WAIT! Gray and Gold would pay homage to Dakka Dakka, would it not?
Everybody loves a good reference.


I think they don't look evil enough, and to Imperial. I think its a good idea, but the colours should be darker and definitely in CSM traditional armour.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/28 17:59:53


Post by: Urien_Rakarth


the blue would need to be darker and greener...


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/28 18:37:54


Post by: Mustela


There are seven chaos gods. The big four plus:

Malal: Chaos god of hating chaos gods.

Necoho: Chaos god of aethism/ unbelief

Zuvassin(spelled wrong?): Chaos god of chaos.

There could be infinite chaos gods, but it's unlikely GW will do that.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/30 03:19:31


Post by: Kasrkai


One computer wipe later:
Okay, not so imperial, but if the teal was more blue it would seen icky and Nurgle-y.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/30 09:53:36


Post by: Urien_Rakarth


Sure. I came up with the idea of lots of black, with teal highlights, as so:
(see my last post)


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/04/30 19:48:11


Post by: Kasrkai


Urien_Rakarth wrote:Sure. I came up with the idea of lots of black, with teal highlights, as so:



Broken...?


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/05/01 10:41:31


Post by: Urien_Rakarth



Broken...?


What do ya mean?


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/05/01 19:35:44


Post by: Kasrkai


Urien_Rakarth wrote:
Broken...?


What do ya mean?


Your image isn't showing. Just a broken link.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/05/02 12:08:32


Post by: Urien_Rakarth


Here:
(see attached)


It was abit different... but you get the idea!



New Chaos Gods @ 2011/05/02 20:59:06


Post by: Kasrkai


I see.
What I was going for was something mysterious, but at the same time original and somewhat threatening.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/05/03 17:17:53


Post by: Urien_Rakarth


Personaly I like the black, but I think the teal should have been darker and less of it. Maybe there should be more grey/bronze?


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/05/03 21:24:16


Post by: Kasrkai


I dunno. black is just so...
Expected. Time is predictable only in the fact that it flows.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/05/04 01:57:55


Post by: Nightwalker


They're are more Chaos Gods, just not big strong ones


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/05/04 02:28:54


Post by: Cynick


FlammingGaunt wrote:Well I suppose Ynnead could fill the slot, he is thew god of Death just still being formed. Getting ready to murder Slaanesh.


I've always found it ironic how Slaanesh's domination of the Eldar will lead to his downfall.

I wonder if he knows.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/05/04 02:29:25


Post by: dancingcricket


So, I'm not getting something here. The chaos gods are representations of, or formed from, strong mental and/or emotional energies. The more the stronger the god. So, how is it that we have Nurgle? Khorne is understandable, violence and bloodshed, bloodlust and aggression, are very base and strong emotions. Tzeentch, knowledge, investigation, the search for what's out there, to understand ones world and whats in it, the drive to know, understandable. Slaanesh, the desire to feel good, and enough said since I'm at work, definitely a strong thing for most races. But I'm sick? A entity of emotions and mental processes about I don't feel good? Emotions about fears associated with being ill would be better suited to Tzeentch, fear of the unknown, and eventually knowledge concerning biology, plagues, and potential misuses. But compared to the others, it's just not as noteworthy. Next to the overwhelming rage and bloodlust of someone going berserk and trying to rip their foe to shreds, a strong desire to throw up just pales to insignificance.

Now, a god of death, I can see. One having fear as a domain. I can also see positive warp beings out there, love, hope, mother, even if they wouldn't fit in well with the whole grimdark thing. But if we don't have death, or loneliness and loss, I don't see how Nurgle qualifies to be up there.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/05/04 03:20:22


Post by: Murdock129


I did do something like this over at Miniwargaming.com:

http://www.miniwargaming.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=57880

Melkirth, chaos god of Resentment, Envy, Greed and Misery


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/05/04 06:31:10


Post by: Hawkward


Nurgle is humanity's despair, and its reaction to that despair - the "power of life," as it were.

He's easily the most complex of the four, although that's probably more the result of conflicting fluff than anything. I'd rather he be purely powered by despair to contrast with Tzeentch's "hope" theme, but then again I'm not writing the fluff.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/05/04 23:08:06


Post by: Kasrkai


Nightwalker wrote:They're are more Chaos Gods, just not big strong ones


Established.


All righty then-
[NAME]
Time
Aging
Fear

Any other inputs?


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/05/12 00:11:22


Post by: the color purple


Time, aging, and fear really are Nurgle's thing. He represents at its heart the fear that all humans have of the fact that everything ends. Nurgle being a happy and parental god in fluff doesn't contradict this, it just gives him more character. Followers of Nurgle happily embrace plague, decay, fear, and loss because they are afraid of what comes after. Nurgle basically offers power over time: by becoming infected, rotted walking corpses the followers of Nurgle prevent themselves from dying of sickness or age. They embrace and accept that everything falls to ruin.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/05/14 17:49:49


Post by: xXSir MontyXx


the color purple wrote:Time, aging, and fear really are Nurgle's thing. He represents at its heart the fear that all humans have of the fact that everything ends. Nurgle being a happy and parental god in fluff doesn't contradict this, it just gives him more character. Followers of Nurgle happily embrace plague, decay, fear, and loss because they are afraid of what comes after. Nurgle basically offers power over time: by becoming infected, rotted walking corpses the followers of Nurgle prevent themselves from dying of sickness or age. They embrace and accept that everything falls to ruin.


This is an excellent way of putting it, even the simplest follower of nurgle would stay alive for a very LONG time. They would see the ones they love age and die around them so things would begin to become more "care free".


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/05/23 18:03:00


Post by: Urien_Rakarth


For the Name- AETOX

Pronouse I-A-Tox

Unless anyone has problems this is final-we need a name after 6 pages


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/05/24 00:20:40


Post by: Kasrkai


Now we needs a symbol.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/05/24 07:13:34


Post by: Urien_Rakarth


Yeah. I was thinking an almost complete circle, to represent time, and a skull or summing in the midle to represent fear. I'm really bad at art, so won't draw this, but and one like this?


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/05/26 19:32:46


Post by: Raulmichile


Mustela wrote:There are seven chaos gods. The big four plus:

Malal: Chaos god of hating chaos gods.

Necoho: Chaos god of aethism/ unbelief

Zuvassin(spelled wrong?): Chaos god of chaos.

There could be infinite chaos gods, but it's unlikely GW will do that.


Another two that weren't developed but were included in GW publicatoins were A'nsrl and Frazethar (or however it is written)


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/05/26 19:49:20


Post by: LoneLictor


A new chaos god would probably be envy, hatred (which is partially taken by Khorne, but he mainly focuses on mad rage rather than grudges), and a false sense of self entitlement (I suppose some Tzeentch worshippers fit this one as well, but not enough of them for that to be a major part of Tzeentch's portfolio). His minions would be crazy egotistical people who focused on grudges and all the luxuries they believed they earned.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/05/26 19:55:17


Post by: Dark Apostle 666


I like the idea of a god of loneliness.
(Although that may be because I've been revising "of mice and men" for my english lit. exam, loneliness is a big theme in it.
For this proposed god of fear, you might draw some inspiration from the greek god Phobos, from whom stems the term "phobia".
God of cowardice maybe? I guess he'd always run away though...


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/05/26 20:06:59


Post by: Viridian


Well there are 4 points for the major gods, but also they have 4 smaller ones so I guess if anything is dictated by the symbol of chaos there would be 4 minor gods that have a blend of the two siding major gods. Lets take Tez and Slaa Well maybe the minor god is a crazy warped seer obsessed with the pleasure of fate and knowing what would be most pleasing to him or something. I think if new chaos gods crop up it will be in these minor star's if anything other wise I don't see them messing up the symbol of chaos.

-Sincerely Viri




New Chaos Gods @ 2011/05/26 20:52:30


Post by: im2randomghgh


Son 0f Dorn wrote:Quite the opposite. All of the worship and sacrifice to the emperor is creating something in the warp as well. Search Star Child on the lexicanum.


Star child also refers to the whole Illuminati in wh40k thing though...


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/05/27 08:12:40


Post by: Transfixion


I think that there may be more creatures in the warp that could be seen as gods but i dont think they will ever be included in the game. Its hard to think of new ones that share godly powers with the four that exist at the moment because they have such broad range of things that are under their control, or shall we say expertise.

On another note if you want to create a godly creature go for C'tans. From all that i keep hearing about this new necron codex its going to alot more C'tans but they will not be used as special characters.. anyway im getting sidetracked..


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/05/27 17:15:12


Post by: Urien_Rakarth


Dark Apostle 666 wrote:I like the idea of a god of loneliness.
(Although that may be because I've been revising "of mice and men" for my english lit. exam, loneliness is a big theme in it.
For this proposed god of fear, you might draw some inspiration from the greek god Phobos, from whom stems the term "phobia".
God of cowardice maybe? I guess he'd always run away though...


I was kind of thinking this for a bad fluffy Cron army. I wanted the Outsider, so came up with he's going so mad , insane and lonely in his prison it builds up warp energy until a fleet of custom warp Crons come and save him, and then they wreak havoc in the Milky Way for a while


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/06/06 19:24:15


Post by: Urien_Rakarth


OK, so this is the profile so far. Speak up now or I will finalize this.

AETOX
Fear
Aging
Cruelty

Symbol (this isn't final, just a quick sketch I did on PowerPoint)



New Chaos Gods @ 2011/06/06 19:37:53


Post by: Sothas


I don't think fear is technically covered, but Khorne and Nurgle do have it covred in their own little way. Aging isn't really an emotion, and if it's fear of aging/growing old/dying then Nurgle has that covered. Cruelty... Yeah, I got nothing on that.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/06/06 19:52:24


Post by: Urien_Rakarth


The aging is really the slow passing of time and the horror, dispair, and fear emotions ascossiated with it.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/06/06 20:40:41


Post by: haloreach4ever


I have a great idea, while i was reading this thread i was watching doctor who, and i remembered how i got so scared it gave me nightmares (when i was younger of course) so i think that nightmares would defiantly have some kind of link to a god of fear.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/06/07 04:09:10


Post by: Magtherion_Soulsaver


PURGE THE HERETICS!!!...and take their tacos, I say that star dragon of doom needs to wake up.


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Sothas wrote:I don't think fear is technically covered, but Khorne and Nurgle do have it covred in their own little way. Aging isn't really an emotion, and if it's fear of aging/growing old/dying then Nurgle has that covered. Cruelty... Yeah, I got nothing on that.

Cruelty sounds good, but in a way isn't that the domain of Slaanesh?


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haloreach4ever wrote:I have a great idea, while i was reading this thread i was watching doctor who, and i remembered how i got so scared it gave me nightmares (when i was younger of course) so i think that nightmares would defiantly have some kind of link to a god of fear.

good idea.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/06/07 17:30:05


Post by: The Grundel


Why a chaos god of fear? Is fear not associated with the big 4?

Why a chaos god of time? Wouldn't control of time make him more like god-god and not a god?

Aging is covered by nurgle.

Are the 4 chaos gods not cruel? When slaanesh grinds a worlds population into drugs is that not cruel enough?


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/06/12 13:32:55


Post by: Urien_Rakarth


No, its not AFAIK. Time as its uncovered and a big source of Chaos and fear. How will I be when I'm older? Will we make it? etc etc. Oh well if its covered by Nurgle, anyway its not really. Yes of course they are cruel, but they don't cover it. Asuryan went to war, does that make him Khaine?


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/06/12 17:11:11


Post by: Vulpes89


Ooooh, we could have a
God of suffering - something Akin to the cenobites in Hellraiser
God of misery
God of Trickery
God of Fear (a creature so powerful itll even cause space marines to feel fear. :O)

i dunno. what do you all think would make some cool chaos gods?


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/06/12 18:07:31


Post by: haloreach4ever


Trickery is tzeetch


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/06/12 21:20:05


Post by: Psienesis


Chaos Gods also don't care about time, since time, to them and their ilk, is a non-entity. Chaos Gods and Daemons do not view time as a line, as in they progress from the Now to the Future, but, instead, they exist in all times, simultaneously, and know the Present, the Past and the Future... at least in general.

A Chaos God of Time is akin to Necoho, the Unbeliever... a Chaos God that doesn't believe in Gods.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/06/25 11:25:25


Post by: Urien_Rakarth


Ah yes, but that doesn't mean they can't manipulate it to their advantage. Most don't care, because it doesn't effect them, but if you had a deity of time and a reason for it to be feared, then yes it could work.


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Urien_Rakarth wrote:
Symbol (this isn't final, just a quick sketch I did on PowerPoint)


Can someone work and reply to this. *cough*Kasraki*cough*


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/06/26 22:29:29


Post by: dakkawolf


I think the Chaos gods themselves, being 4, should remain as such, but that possibly for a limited time, an Anti-god should be brought into the Fluff, like a new army of Anti-Chaos but not imperials.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/06/27 05:56:01


Post by: bigmek35


I has idea on the sybole give me a sec


I also came up with the god of the abyss

EDIT: hers the god of time and fear symbole i've come up with



New Chaos Gods @ 2011/06/27 19:44:00


Post by: Urien_Rakarth


hmmm... Its abit complex, but I like the idea. Don't like the clock though, just makes it look silly.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/06/27 22:43:22


Post by: Void__Dragon


Urien_Rakarth wrote:So couldn't there eventually, if things stay the way they are, be a Chaos god of Misery forming?


There kind of already is one.

His name is Nurgle, god of Despair.

Yeah, lol.

Also, there are many Chaos Gods besides the big four. Like Malal, who was already mentioned.

And of course Necoho, god of Atheism (No really).

Edit: Whoa... Like I did not even notice this thread had seven pages. Unless it filled up while I typed this post up, which seems insane and improbable.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/06/28 11:33:38


Post by: dakkawolf


Seeing that GW never advances the time line of WH40k beyond this endless state of failbaddon spamming the imperium over the Emperor's forums, and orks constantly not joining up for a super-bowl party on the moon... i doubt there is any room for a new chaos god tbh *sad face*


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/06/30 01:16:36


Post by: King Pariah


http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Malal

http://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Malal

For those constantly asking questions as to who is Malal/Malice.


New Chaos Gods @ 2011/07/03 00:12:27


Post by: forruner_mercy


For the God of Time (immortality), an infinite sign would go well with that.


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/04/22 19:03:49


Post by: Urien_Rakarth


I declare this most awesome thread reopened! Please reply, so we can get going again. Here is our work so far:

Name: Aetox
Attributes:
Fear
Aging
Cruelty
Time

Symbol (not final!):


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/04/24 15:51:35


Post by: English Assassin


Fear of change and of aging are very definitely Nurgle's territory.

It's worth pointing out that there's a very good reason that there are only four Chaos Gods, which is that GW based them on the four Classical humours. (Choleric=Khorne, Sanguine=Slannesh, Phegmatic=Nurgle, Melancholic=Tzeentch.)


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/04/24 19:08:31


Post by: Buttons


bigmek35 wrote:I has idea on the sybole give me a sec


I also came up with the god of the abyss

EDIT: hers the god of time and fear symbole i've come up with


Just have something like the infinite symbol, perhaps make some kind of modification. The clock is too cliche.

Edit: For the posterboy chapter/legion (eg. Khorne has the World Eaters, Slaanesh has the Emperor's Children) that follows this god, why did they follow it? I was thinking something involving a geneseed flaw. Perhaps due to some horriffic flaw the marines aged as quickly as a normal human meaning that living beyond 100 was a challenge for the marines in a chapter, and living to 300 or 400 is outright impossible. In order to deal with the flaw they made a deal whereby the marines are made immortal in return for their service. Their boost could be an invulnverable save (turning back time for short bursts/contractual immortality preventing them from dying), and perhaps some sort of ID weapons (when the blades cut the enemy they cause them to begin to age thousands of years in a few seconds turning their enemies into dust) for their cult troops (like their equivalent to noise marine's noise weapons). I assume the weapons won't also be power weapons since that will be OP. Their preferred target would probably be stuff like HQs without eternal warrior, enemies with power weapons (they get invul saves), and multi-wound non-character models (like Ogryn, Nobz, and Tyranid Warriors). Perhaps if we want to take a slightly tragic lean on it we can have many of the older marines who were the first to pledge allegiance to the god having grown tired of life and simply longing for the eternal rest of death.


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/04/24 19:27:45


Post by: Urien_Rakarth


What about a sort of infinity simbol that twists into a skull... That might look good.

+1 about the clock


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/04/24 19:40:30


Post by: Buttons


Urien_Rakarth wrote:What about a sort of infinity simbol that twists into a skull... That might look good.

+1 about the clock

Maybe for the chapter iconography the skull is good, but if you look at the symbols for the gods they are relatively simple, they are more like the Mars or Venus symbol than a skull. I mean look at the Nurgle page on lexicanum and look at his symbol, it is three arrows and three circles, nothing more. They are relatively simple symbols, much like the Chaos undivided star, it is just a multi-pointed star, nothing too fancy. Perhaps we could use the infinity symbol and modify it slightly.


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/04/24 22:29:15


Post by: Eighteen Wheeler


What if all the minor Chaos gods combined into one


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/04/24 22:41:14


Post by: King Pariah


Urien_Rakarth wrote:I declare this most awesome thread reopened! Please reply, so we can get going again. Here is our work so far:

Name: Aetox
Attributes:
Fear
Aging
Cruelty
Time

Symbol (not final!):


I feel that fear ties in with Terror which Malice already covers


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/04/25 00:42:08


Post by: Eighteen Wheeler


According to BL the emperor's death will hasten the birth of this new god. It will also create a second Eye of Terror that would cover the whole Imperium.


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/04/25 20:43:40


Post by: Urien_Rakarth


Better keep the Emperor alive then lol.


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/04/25 21:11:10


Post by: Eighteen Wheeler


Urien_Rakarth wrote:Better keep the Emperor alive then lol.


It'd be good to see the humies get what they deserve


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/04/25 21:41:30


Post by: CalgarsPimpHand


I hate to rain on people's parade, but assuming you are trying to make a 5th major god, the fear/time god being discussed is very much already covered (if you're talking about making a minor deity, go nuts, nothing's stopping you). But as a 5th god this is just stealing from the other gods.

The time concept seems to be two separate things:

Fear of aging/death
Desire for immortality, or manipulation of time to your advantage

Nurgle already most definitely covers aging and fear of death. Those are central to Nurgle's theme. Nurgle is the fear of disease and decay, the fear of the advance of time. He is also a fatherly figure who grants his followers immortality if they embrace the corruption and disease he brings. Misery and death drive Nurgle, and he grants his followers freedom from pain and the flow of time if they only embrace their demise.

Tzeentch and time are heavily intertwined. Tzeentch is all about seeing the strands of fate and manipulating them to your own ends. Plans within plans played out over longer timescales than mortals can fathom, casting your influence into the future.

So aging, time, and fear of death are certainly covered.

Fear in general, I would argue, is a sensation that would fall under Slaanesh's purview, and goes hand in hand with the kind of torture his/her followers love to inflict.


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/04/25 21:56:56


Post by: LoneLictor


Here's what I suggest there should be new Gods on (though the new gods shouldn't be nearly as powerful as the main Four). They aren't quite as cool as the main Four, so they'd obviously have less followers and less influence. I think most of them shouldn't even have any options or stats in any future codexes, just mentions.

Sloth
-You'd mainly see followers who are slave owners and leeches and that sort of thing.
Fear
-Paranoid, mentally unstable nutjobs.
Madness
-Absolutely insane people with no way of distinguishing the real world from fantasy.
Destruction
-People with the desire/need for oblivion.
Boredom
-People who have absolute disinterest in the world around them.
Loyalty
-Kinda insecure people with a need to follow.
Surprise
-The people who are always stupidly caught off guard


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/04/25 21:59:15


Post by: Eighteen Wheeler


How about willpower or greed for the 5th power


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/04/25 22:23:29


Post by: LoneLictor


Eighteen Wheeler wrote:How about willpower or greed for the 5th power


Slaanesh and Tzeentch take up greed.


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/04/25 22:37:29


Post by: Eighteen Wheeler


LoneLictor wrote:Slaanesh and Tzeentch take up greed.


How so


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/04/25 23:08:53


Post by: DIDM


I follow the god of laughter and herbs




New Chaos Gods @ 2012/04/25 23:31:17


Post by: LoneLictor


Eighteen Wheeler wrote:
LoneLictor wrote:Slaanesh and Tzeentch take up greed.


How so


Slaanesh is God of Excess and desire for the material. Money is material.

Tzeentch is the God of Ambition and desire for power. Money is power.


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/04/25 23:52:20


Post by: Eighteen Wheeler


Is there anyone for willpower


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/04/26 00:19:04


Post by: LoneLictor


Eighteen Wheeler wrote:Is there anyone for willpower


I don't know what you mean by willpower. If you mean determination and resistance, that's covered by Nurgle.


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/04/26 12:37:13


Post by: Eighteen Wheeler


Malal is already the 5th god, like some mentioned earlier.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Malal#.T5k94u0sE21


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/04/26 19:02:27


Post by: King Pariah


Eighteen Wheeler wrote:Malal is already the 5th god, like some mentioned earlier.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Malal#.T5k94u0sE21


Malal is no longer with us due to copyright stuff and what not, but Malice (a minor chaos god) is with us


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/04/26 19:23:48


Post by: Eighteen Wheeler


Well in that case Malal must be another name for Malice


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/04/26 21:16:01


Post by: King Pariah


Not really, Malice looks like Malal, represents the same things as Malal, but isn't Malal. Malal doesn't exist anymore and that is final. Malice, however, does exist and represents the same things that Malal represented while not being Malal. Silly, I know, but GW did make a nice little choice in making Malice to appease those of us who loved the concept of Malal.


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/04/26 23:35:43


Post by: Eighteen Wheeler


they could've been more inventive with the name instead of calling it just Malice. i mean, Khorne is called Khorne, not Rage.


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/04/27 00:11:10


Post by: King Pariah


They could've, but I'm fine with it, Afterall, he's been summoned into the Materium. <evil cackling goes here>


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/04/27 00:24:05


Post by: LoneLictor


I never understood what Malal was the God of. Can someone enlighten me?


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/04/27 00:26:01


Post by: King Pariah


Malal is the Lost God, the Power of Chaos that represents Chaos' indiscriminate tendency toward destruction, even of itself.

Malal's powers come from the struggle of a single (relatively) powerless figure trying to fight a larger oppressor. Every slave that plots against his master, every worker that hates his boss, every peasant who looks with anger upon the places of the rich, every man who cries out to the uncaring gods about his placement in life feeds more power to Malal.


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/04/27 00:31:51


Post by: English Assassin


Malal is the god of hipsters, for whom the four Chaos Gods are too mainstream.


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/04/27 00:37:41


Post by: King Pariah


Then again, some of us are attracted to indiscriminate destruction.


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/04/27 00:37:52


Post by: LoneLictor


King Pariah wrote:Malal is the Lost God, the Power of Chaos that represents Chaos' indiscriminate tendency toward destruction, even of itself.

Malal's powers come from the struggle of a single (relatively) powerless figure trying to fight a larger oppressor. Every slave that plots against his master, every worker that hates his boss, every peasant who looks with anger upon the places of the rich, every man who cries out to the uncaring gods about his placement in life feeds more power to Malal.


Wouldn't the want for more power be covered by Tzeentch? Or is Malal spite?

English Assassin wrote:Malal is the god of hipsters, for whom the four Chaos Gods are too mainstream.


Makes sense.


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/04/27 00:42:29


Post by: King Pariah


It's spite, hate, loathing, not necessarily desire for more power. Also, he's known as the hierarch of anarchy and terror


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/04/27 01:26:36


Post by: Eighteen Wheeler


are pride, envy, sloth, or gluttony taken?


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/04/27 01:34:44


Post by: King Pariah


Envy I'm pretty sure is taken by Slaanesh and Pride, Khorne

Sloth Gluttony... I want to say Nurgle covers those... but that just might be because all his daemons seem to be a bunch of slow fatty mcfat fats


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/04/27 02:17:39


Post by: Eighteen Wheeler


i don't think Slaanesh is envy, and Nurgle is just bloated because rotting causes corpses to swell. people seem to think the 4 powers cover a lot more than they do.


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/04/27 02:33:38


Post by: Mike101


I have heard that the Emperor him self is to become a Chaos god upon his death


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/04/27 02:48:05


Post by: Eighteen Wheeler


the emperor turning to Chaos? that'd be the ultimate slap in the face to the Imperium.


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/04/27 03:07:36


Post by: Durza


Eighteen Wheeler wrote:are pride, envy, sloth, or gluttony taken?

Gluttony is very much Slaanesh's area of expertise, since it is over indulgence of food, or with regards to the seven sins, anything. Slaanesh being the god of excess puts it firmly in charge of that one.

Envy could be either Slaanesh's or Tzeentch's.

Pride is Khorne's, Slaanesh's or Tzeentch's.

Sloth is one I don't think is taken, but if there was a god for it, they wouldn't really be very powerful, would they?


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/04/27 03:14:13


Post by: LoneLictor


Durza wrote:
Eighteen Wheeler wrote:are pride, envy, sloth, or gluttony taken?

Gluttony is very much Slaanesh's area of expertise, since it is over indulgence of food, or with regards to the seven sins, anything. Slaanesh being the god of excess puts it firmly in charge of that one.

Envy could be either Slaanesh's or Tzeentch's.

Pride is Khorne's, Slaanesh's or Tzeentch's.

Sloth is one I don't think is taken, but if there was a god for it, they wouldn't really be very powerful, would they?


A God of Sloth would probably be the patron of slave owners, corrupt businessmen, leeches and that sorta thing.


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/04/27 03:16:52


Post by: Durza


LoneLictor wrote:A God of Sloth would probably be the patron of slave owners, corrupt businessmen, leeches and that sorta thing.

But being the embodiment of sloth, they'd be torn apart in the Game. The only way they could survive would be if they were so massively powerful that the others had no hope of killing it, and since it had no motivation it just played the Great Game to pass the time rather than as the life or death matter it is to the other gods. But since the entire galaxy lives off war and schemes, that's not very likely.


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/04/27 03:59:10


Post by: Eighteen Wheeler


the sloth god could be symbiotic, bonding to the other powers to survive.


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/04/27 04:09:56


Post by: White Ninja


Well the eldar gods were very much real. So there are more then just the 4 gods of chaos. Its just that they are the really powerful ones right now. The warps isn't just chaos. Its just that chaos is overwhelming right now. So the god empra could very well be a god without being a chaos one.


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/04/27 16:51:46


Post by: Urien_Rakarth


All true white ninja.


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/04/27 17:52:21


Post by: Eighteen Wheeler


I'm surprised Slaanesh hasn't consumed the Star Child yet


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/04/27 20:56:57


Post by: Buttons


Eighteen Wheeler wrote:are pride, envy, sloth, or gluttony taken?

Pride and gluttony definitely fall to Slaanesh, sloth and envy might. Pride actually falls to several Gods, Khorne gets martial pride, Slaanesh is probably more like an unwarranted pride (like human supremacy or Eldar supremacy), and Tzneetch is probably pride from what one has achieved off the battlefield or the simple want of pride, similar to wanting power.


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/04/27 21:53:40


Post by: Eighteen Wheeler


well we're talking about unique characteristics, not ones that all the powers have in common. i think that people are making stuff up just to make this harder.


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/04/28 01:47:00


Post by: Buttons


Eighteen Wheeler wrote:i think that people are making stuff up just to make this harder.

Not really, it is just that the Gods have pretty much everything covered.

Slaanesh covers perfection, excess (too much of anything, so sloth and gluttony fall into this category), greed, lust, and pain.

Khorne covers war, rage, violence, martial pride, and hate psykers.

Tzeentch covers change, hope, plotting, ambition, and psychic powers.

Nurgle covers rot, decay, disease, aging, hopelessness, stagnation, and mortality.

Between the four of them they cover everything, and before you bring up fear, they all cover fear in some facet (except for maybe Khorne). Slaanesh covers fear of boredom, Tzeentch covers fear of stagnation, Nurgle covers fear of change, disease, and death, Khorne might cover fear in warfare, but that is pretty iffy.

They aren't like polytheistic pantheons, where there is a goddess of fertility and beauty, and a god of war, and a king of the gods, and a god of the sea, and a god of lightning, each of them covers vast overlapping areas. Also, if you are confused about what areas they can cover you can always look at their domains, for example Slaanesh's domain has several rings, one covers gluttony, one covers greed, one covers carnal pleasures, etc.


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/04/28 02:27:13


Post by: Eighteen Wheeler


Buttons wrote:Not really, it is just that the Gods have pretty much everything covered.


Well then what's the point of this thread


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/04/28 09:04:00


Post by: Urien_Rakarth


Precicely EW. We're not creating this new god to perfectly comply, were doing it, like all threads should be, for a bit of fun. NOW POST SOME IDEAS!!!


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/04/28 13:45:47


Post by: Eighteen Wheeler


got it

a Chaos god of treachery and betrayal


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/04/29 09:55:11


Post by: Urien_Rakarth


Sorry mate, but that is definately covered by Slaanesh/Malal. What about the original idea of Fear/Time, and maybe we could use the betrayal idea to?


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/04/29 14:47:35


Post by: Eighteen Wheeler


Screw it, I'm out


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/04/29 17:01:44


Post by: LoneLictor


Urien_Rakarth wrote:Sorry mate, but that is definately covered by Slaanesh/Malal. What about the original idea of Fear/Time, and maybe we could use the betrayal idea to?


Fear/time is Nurgle.


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/04/29 18:42:04


Post by: Urien_Rakarth


NO NO NO!!!!!!!!!! Fear definately not. Rotting/aging slight chance.


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/04/30 01:10:31


Post by: LoneLictor


Urien_Rakarth wrote:NO NO NO!!!!!!!!!! Fear definately not. Rotting/aging slight chance.


Nurgle is the fear of death and the resulting drive to live as well as the inevitability of entropy.


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/04/30 01:23:06


Post by: Omegus


Any Chaos deity powerful enough to approach sentience will probably be gobbled up by one of the Four. Humanity is so numerous at this point, that any other species except Orks can't produce enough psychic feedback to the warp to create a conscious entity powerful enough to stand up to the big dogs.


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/04/30 19:22:36


Post by: Urien_Rakarth


Then how do greater daemons of undivided come into existence? What about Malal, or all those other ba$t@rds on page 3/4/5? Huh? Huh?


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/04/30 20:16:18


Post by: King Pariah


Malice was actually kicked out of the Warp and has been summoned into physical existence so he's sorta out of the grasp of the big 4.



New Chaos Gods @ 2012/04/30 20:58:15


Post by: Vampirate of Sartosa


On the subject of Sloth: One of Slaanesh's Fantasy spells is related to sloth.


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/04/30 21:14:47


Post by: LoneLictor


Ya know, I just thought of something. Khorne may be the Big Lord of Anger, but there are other angry Daemons. He's just the god of anger because he's the strongest and the angriest. So, it'd be possible to have demigods that share the domains of the Main Four (Ambition, Self Preservation, Rage and Hedonism). Obviously they wouldn't be nearly as strong as the Big Four and would in fact spend most of their time trying to avoid being killed in the Great Game, but they could exist.


EXAMPLE: Kialidine is the Demigod of Revenge and Provoked Wrath. He is a recent addition to the pantheon of Chaos, having gained sentience a mere three hundred years ago. By taking up the domain of vengeance, he has intruded on rage, Khorne's domain, much to Khorne's rage. As of the moment Kiadlidine spends most of his time evading the Blood God and plotting his revenge. Several of his followers have summoned him to the material realm, where Khorne holds less influence.

Kiadlidine frequently goes by the moniker of the Serpent Marquis, based on his appearance and that of his Daemons. He is a writhing mass of snake heads, from the tiniest Corn Snakes to the largest Anacondas, all poised to strike at a moment's notice. The Serpent Marquis' Greater Daemons are viper headed elephantine creatures with poisonous barbs defending their bloated forms. His Lesser Daemons are not quite as impressive, materializing merely as scaly, rattlesnake headed porcupines.

The Serpent Marquis has expent most of his limited power by investing in a mortal Champion of the Black Legion known as Varitas. He has elevated Varitas to Daemon Princedom and bestowed him with a great warband of ever loyal Daemons and enslaved cultists. Kiadlidine prays that his Champion will spread his holy word and gain many followers, for if he fails Kiadlidine knows that only Khorne's axe awaits him.



Damn, I wrote a lot. I kinda really got into writing that. But you get the point.


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/05/01 19:49:59


Post by: Urien_Rakarth


This is almost exactly what we're trying to do. Welcome to the real world. But if you look at your Daemon, you notice that eventually this could evolve, given time, into a whole new Chaos God. He could gain the power of something else, and before you know it Khorne's waiting for his axe. (or snaky barby thing) But we're doing a God of Time and fear at the minute. Hey, he could even start exactly like yours. Its how I imagine Slaanesh started, raw warp material, then a thought, then a daemon as excess became culture, then god as it consumed. Know you see. Know you have been 'enlightened'. Welcome.


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/05/01 19:56:18


Post by: LoneLictor


Urien_Rakarth wrote:This is almost exactly what we're trying to do. Welcome to the real world. But if you look at your Daemon, you notice that eventually this could evolve, given time, into a whole new Chaos God. He could gain the power of something else, and before you know it Khorne's waiting for his axe. (or snaky barby thing) But we're doing a God of Time and fear at the minute. Hey, he could even start exactly like yours. Its how I imagine Slaanesh started, raw warp material, then a thought, then a daemon as excess became culture, then god as it consumed. Know you see. Know you have been 'enlightened'. Welcome.


Well I guess what makes yer God different from Nurgle (since time and death are pretty much exactly nurgle)? I mean Kialidine is focused on revenge, so at least he's distinguishable from Khorne.

EDIT: To clarify what I'm saying, I disagreed with your god because it was exactly like Nurgle. I still dislike your idea unless you find a way to distinguish him somehow.


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/05/02 16:29:49


Post by: Urien_Rakarth


Fear mainly. It is definately not covered by any of the chaos gods. Time, as you say, might be related to nurgle, but then you might say rotting and decay are all states of change, so therefore Tzeench. Personally I think the original idea of fear and time were good, but then aging came along and made everything confusing. It also depends on the point of view of thre aging. If its fear of death and crippleness, then its not so much Nurgle, but if its decay and arthritis sort of things then yeah, it is Nurgle.


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/05/02 17:56:10


Post by: LoneLictor


Urien_Rakarth wrote:Fear mainly. It is definately not covered by any of the chaos gods. Time, as you say, might be related to nurgle, but then you might say rotting and decay are all states of change, so therefore Tzeench. Personally I think the original idea of fear and time were good, but then aging came along and made everything confusing. It also depends on the point of view of thre aging. If its fear of death and crippleness, then its not so much Nurgle, but if its decay and arthritis sort of things then yeah, it is Nurgle.


Nurgle is the fear of death and the resulting drive to live. That's fear.


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/05/02 19:42:02


Post by: Psienesis


As mentioned previously, Time is not a concept that the Powers of Chaos are really cognizant of, as they exist simultaneously at all times, and time does not pass in the Warp as it does in Realspace. It's a mortal concept, and not universal to even mortal races (the passage of time is of bigger concern to Man, for example, than it is to the Eldar, who live much, much longer lives).

I suppose you could have a Chaos God of the Planck Constant, but that really lacks the same vim as the other Great Four.


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/05/05 09:24:21


Post by: Urien_Rakarth


No, I disagree, I don't think Nurgle is fear of death. Someone should Lexicanum it.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Bugger, you are right. Nurgle is the fear of death and desease. Damn you. This isn't over. How about we then go for revenge/ time like you suggested. Awwww I did like that Fear idea.


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Could we have a tie in with the fear that what you thought you'd killed is coming back to get revenge?


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/05/05 18:49:53


Post by: Psienesis


That sounds more like Zuvassin, the Undoer. You *thought* everything was going exactly according to plan, but then your murder victim rose out of his grave a revenant and proceeded to deliver the unholy beat-down.


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/05/05 20:45:09


Post by: Urien_Rakarth


Who the f0@k is Zuvassin? Does he exist?


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/05/05 21:04:57


Post by: Kovnik Obama


Fear of death is a pretty specific case of fear. Couldn't you have something like Zalgo, Chaos God of incoherent terror?

Also, I want a Chaos God of Transcendance. Tzeentch can stuff it with his perpetual change.


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/05/05 22:35:10


Post by: Psienesis


Urien_Rakarth wrote:Who the f0@k is Zuvassin? Does he exist?


One of the lesser Chaos Powers (like Malal) who, once upon a time, had an alliance with Necoho the Unbeliever (Chaos God of Atheism) that formed the Cult of the Ancient Allies, which gave rise to the Chaos Relic known as the Cleansing Fire of Zuvassin. This device, basically a giant kettle, could burn the taint of Chaos out of anything placed in it.

The item so purified might even, in rare cases, survive.


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/05/08 06:35:25


Post by: Urien_Rakarth


Ha ha ha. Depresssingly enough, sounds like the thing an Inquisitor/GK wouldn't bother with when they Exterminatus a world...:(


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/05/08 14:32:04


Post by: English Assassin


Urien_Rakarth wrote:No, I disagree, I don't think Nurgle is fear of death. Someone should Lexicanum it.

Automatically Appended Next Post:
Bugger, you are right. Nurgle is the fear of death and desease. Damn you. This isn't over. How about we then go for revenge/ time like you suggested. Awwww I did like that Fear idea.

Given that this thread has already been uncritically exhuming Warhammer Fantasy material from two decades ago (Malal, Zuvassin, Necoho - whose epithet, by the way, is "the Doubter" not "the Unbeliever"), I may as well point out that revenge is already the province of another god: Solkan the Avenger.


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/05/08 17:09:43


Post by: Psienesis


That's the thing with fiction, it's all been done before. You're just slapping a new coat of paint on a model that's been painted dozens of times already. You might, if you're very clever and creative, might not use the same colors that someone else before you has used, but that's really unlikely.


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/05/08 17:33:37


Post by: King Pariah


How about this, instead of the rotting decay that Nurgle seems to favor, how about the withering slow decay? Like people dying of old age, of AIDS, how their bodies wither and weaken.


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/05/08 17:36:50


Post by: Psienesis


Still Nurgle.


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/05/08 17:48:37


Post by: King Pariah


I know it's still Nurgle, I'm suggesting a God who covers a specific aspect similar to Kialidine the Demigod of Revenge and Provoked Wrath who treads into the realm of Khorne but really covers only a specific aspect.


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/05/08 18:48:48


Post by: LoneLictor


King Pariah wrote:I know it's still Nurgle, I'm suggesting a God who covers a specific aspect similar to Kialidine the Demigod of Revenge and Provoked Wrath who treads into the realm of Khorne but really covers only a specific aspect.


I guess, but slow decay isn't too different from decay. It still work if pulled off well enough.


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/05/09 06:25:40


Post by: Urien_Rakarth


I sitll like the idea of something like fear or revenge, something the others haven't got covevered.


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/05/09 09:27:25


Post by: LooT


What about a God of undeath? Its not quite Nurgle (because thats a wish for living). But there are a tonne of necromancers going out there, and their antics and thrill sfrom summoning the dead would have formed a weaker God of sorts, surely?

And also, what of a God of animals, made of primal emotions that they exude. A baseless animal god worshipped by the most primitive of the Chaos kin, who's daemons are ravenous beasts?


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/05/09 16:01:25


Post by: Psienesis


Animals don't have souls. They're not capable of the act of worship. Such a Chaos God would be, at the utmost, a mid-range daemon. Not a lesser, but a far, far cry from even a Bloodthirster or a Lord of Change.


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/05/11 19:08:33


Post by: Urien_Rakarth


Yes, I'm afraid a god of animals just wouldn't work. As for undeath, Nurgle covers Death, and in Horus Rising he reanimates these corpses, so sorry mate.


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/05/11 20:13:38


Post by: King Pariah


God of debts, the repo god

everytime someone makes a deal with one of the four, is blessed by one of the four, he keeps tally of what was given and what is due of that individual/warband/etc. to whichever god they have been blessed by. If the individual(s) falls short of what they owe or a god becomes dissatisfied with the individual(s), he comes in a reaps back both the power(s) given and the soul(s).


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/05/11 20:24:05


Post by: LoneLictor


King Pariah wrote:God of debts, the repo god

everytime someone makes a deal with one of the four, is blessed by one of the four, he keeps tally of what was given and what is due of that individual/warband/etc. to whichever god they have been blessed by. If the individual(s) falls short of what they owe or a god becomes dissatisfied with the individual(s), he comes in a reaps back both the power(s) given and the soul(s).


Seems too lawful/ordered. Chaos is supposed to be about impulse and emotion, rather than laws and restrictions.


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/05/11 20:25:49


Post by: King Pariah


Nurgle has Epidemius keeping track of plagues and what not, so, why not?


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Out of chaos, comes order.


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/05/11 20:32:29


Post by: LoneLictor


King Pariah wrote:Nurgle has Epidemius keeping track of plagues and what not, so, why not?


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Out of chaos, comes order.


Keeping track of plagues is not the same thing as imposing regulations and rules.

And your second sentence doesn't make sense.


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/05/11 20:34:41


Post by: King Pariah


He's not imposing regulations or rules, just reaping back (with interest) from those who fall from grace/favor from the gods/a god.

The second sentence is a quote.


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/05/11 20:37:07


Post by: ChaosForged


Well, a Chaos god of Madness, maybe?
I mean, seriously, the original Four Gods are chaotic and all, but they a nowhere near being really insane. More then that, they actually are pretty consistent at what they do.
Khorne kills stuff and writes his craniology dissertation, Nurgle stagnates all day long, Tzeench has a Plan for everythig (aimless Plan it may be, and everchanging, but he still follows it), Slaanesh is the biggest sybarite in the universe and s/he likes it.
No one expects them to act otherwise, nor will they act otherwise.
Now the Crazy God is another matter entirely, for he is inconsistense incarnate. He is the patron of mad and insane, of those who commit their atrocities(or something else) without any clear purpose, only becouse they feel whimsy about it.
Alas, i do not belive there can actually be a cult of such God, for a cult demands an organisation of some sort, and here we have an obvious problem.

P.S. Maybe it was already proposed, 9 pages - a lot of letters to read, so i might have missed it =).


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/05/11 20:39:37


Post by: LoneLictor


King Pariah wrote:He's not imposing regulations or rules, just reaping back (with interest) from those who fall from grace/favor from the gods/a god.

The second sentence is a quote.


He'd be enforcing the law and punishing those who broke it. That makes him a force of order.

@ChaosForged
That could work.


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/05/11 20:44:16


Post by: King Pariah


Yeah, and order sprung from chaos, they may be opposites, but order was born from chaos (Not Chaos mind you).


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I do like the god of madness and insanity though, kudos!


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/05/11 20:45:19


Post by: LoneLictor


King Pariah wrote:Yeah, and order sprung from chaos, they may be opposites, but order was born from chaos (Not Chaos mind you).


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I do like the god of madness and insanity though, kudos!


Yeah, but order and chaos aren't on the same team. A force of order can't be a Chaos God. That's what I'm trying to explain.


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/05/11 20:50:44


Post by: King Pariah


Why Not? Makes as much sense as having a God of Atheism/Nihilism


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/05/11 21:37:53


Post by: theonetruedonut


King Pariah wrote:

I do like the god of madness and insanity though, kudos!


Chaos God of Insanity you say? Hm........
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Cheese! Cheese for everybody!


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/05/11 21:49:14


Post by: LoneLictor


King Pariah wrote:Why Not? Makes as much sense as having a God of Atheism/Nihilism


You realize that Games Workshop got rid of that god because it was stupid? And that it was never included in 40k?


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/05/11 22:01:31


Post by: King Pariah


And they brought him back indirectly. Malice covers it


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/05/11 22:08:50


Post by: LoneLictor


King Pariah wrote:And they brought him back indirectly. Malice covers it


I looked this up and it turns out they did. Well, that's a crying shame. I guess if you want you can have yer Chaos God of Order. GW set the bar low enough for that.


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/05/11 22:10:40


Post by: King Pariah


Bwahahahaha!!!! (I don't actually want him, I just wanted a little fun, Thanks! )


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/05/12 00:17:10


Post by: Psienesis


Malal became Malice.

Necoho was never Malal.


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/05/12 04:17:28


Post by: King Pariah


Psienesis wrote:Malal became Malice.

Necoho was never Malal.


Malal was the God of Nihilism, Anarchy, and Vengeance before Necoho was the God of Nihilism.


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/05/12 13:33:32


Post by: Urien_Rakarth


I like Madness alot!!!!!!!

Of course you can always add in the causes of the madness, ie. FEAR, sickness, TIME etc...

Maybe I'll get my Fear god after all...


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/05/12 22:34:27


Post by: Psienesis



Malal was the God of Nihilism, Anarchy, and Vengeance before Necoho was the God of Nihilism


Necoho was never the god of Nihilism. Necoho was the Atheist God.


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/05/13 04:40:12


Post by: King Pariah


True, my bad, but religious nihilism is a form of atheism (There is no god nor purpose whereas a simple atheist may believe in purpose still exists)


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/05/13 16:43:57


Post by: CthuluIsSpy


LoneLictor wrote:Ya know, I just thought of something. Khorne may be the Big Lord of Anger, but there are other angry Daemons. He's just the god of anger because he's the strongest and the angriest. So, it'd be possible to have demigods that share the domains of the Main Four (Ambition, Self Preservation, Rage and Hedonism). Obviously they wouldn't be nearly as strong as the Big Four and would in fact spend most of their time trying to avoid being killed in the Great Game, but they could exist.


EXAMPLE: Kialidine is the Demigod of Revenge and Provoked Wrath. He is a recent addition to the pantheon of Chaos, having gained sentience a mere three hundred years ago. By taking up the domain of vengeance, he has intruded on rage, Khorne's domain, much to Khorne's rage. As of the moment Kiadlidine spends most of his time evading the Blood God and plotting his revenge. Several of his followers have summoned him to the material realm, where Khorne holds less influence.

Kiadlidine frequently goes by the moniker of the Serpent Marquis, based on his appearance and that of his Daemons. He is a writhing mass of snake heads, from the tiniest Corn Snakes to the largest Anacondas, all poised to strike at a moment's notice. The Serpent Marquis' Greater Daemons are viper headed elephantine creatures with poisonous barbs defending their bloated forms. His Lesser Daemons are not quite as impressive, materializing merely as scaly, rattlesnake headed porcupines.

The Serpent Marquis has expent most of his limited power by investing in a mortal Champion of the Black Legion known as Varitas. He has elevated Varitas to Daemon Princedom and bestowed him with a great warband of ever loyal Daemons and enslaved cultists. Kiadlidine prays that his Champion will spread his holy word and gain many followers, for if he fails Kiadlidine knows that only Khorne's axe awaits him.



Damn, I wrote a lot. I kinda really got into writing that. But you get the point.


Wow, that's pretty neat.
Did you just make it up, or did you take it from somewhere?


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theonetruedonut wrote:
King Pariah wrote:

I do like the god of madness and insanity though, kudos!


Chaos God of Insanity you say? Hm........
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Cheese! Cheese for everybody!


"You may call me Anne-Marie...if you are partial to having your intenstines skip roped over by an angry god! No? Then my name is Sheogorath. Charmed"

I fething love that guy...


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/05/17 15:17:36


Post by: Urien_Rakarth


Spelt Cegorash if you mean the Eldar Laughing God. +1 I love him to


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/05/17 22:57:00


Post by: Psienesis


Sheogorath is the Daedric Prince of Madness from the Elder Scrolls series of games.

True, my bad, but religious nihilism is a form of atheism (There is no god nor purpose whereas a simple atheist may believe in purpose still exists)


Ehm... not really. You can have an incredibly complex arrangement of gods and planar cosmology and still believe that there is no ultimate point or plan to any thing, and no matter what you do in life, it leads to no great effect or end, and matters nothing at all, in the end.

You can also have absolutely no belief in higher powers, an afterlife, karma or anything of the sort, and feel that you owe it to the rest of your species to not go around being a feth-wit, and doing your best to leave the world and society in better shape than you found it, simply because it's the best thing to do for humanity as a whole.


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/05/17 23:00:04


Post by: LoneLictor


CthuluIsSpy wrote:
LoneLictor wrote:Ya know, I just thought of something. Khorne may be the Big Lord of Anger, but there are other angry Daemons. He's just the god of anger because he's the strongest and the angriest. So, it'd be possible to have demigods that share the domains of the Main Four (Ambition, Self Preservation, Rage and Hedonism). Obviously they wouldn't be nearly as strong as the Big Four and would in fact spend most of their time trying to avoid being killed in the Great Game, but they could exist.


EXAMPLE: Kialidine is the Demigod of Revenge and Provoked Wrath. He is a recent addition to the pantheon of Chaos, having gained sentience a mere three hundred years ago. By taking up the domain of vengeance, he has intruded on rage, Khorne's domain, much to Khorne's rage. As of the moment Kiadlidine spends most of his time evading the Blood God and plotting his revenge. Several of his followers have summoned him to the material realm, where Khorne holds less influence.

Kiadlidine frequently goes by the moniker of the Serpent Marquis, based on his appearance and that of his Daemons. He is a writhing mass of snake heads, from the tiniest Corn Snakes to the largest Anacondas, all poised to strike at a moment's notice. The Serpent Marquis' Greater Daemons are viper headed elephantine creatures with poisonous barbs defending their bloated forms. His Lesser Daemons are not quite as impressive, materializing merely as scaly, rattlesnake headed porcupines.

The Serpent Marquis has expent most of his limited power by investing in a mortal Champion of the Black Legion known as Varitas. He has elevated Varitas to Daemon Princedom and bestowed him with a great warband of ever loyal Daemons and enslaved cultists. Kiadlidine prays that his Champion will spread his holy word and gain many followers, for if he fails Kiadlidine knows that only Khorne's axe awaits him.



Damn, I wrote a lot. I kinda really got into writing that. But you get the point.


Wow, that's pretty neat.
Did you just make it up, or did you take it from somewhere?


I made dat up. Thank you for the comment.


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/05/18 01:13:53


Post by: King Pariah


Nihilism pretty much equates everything = pointless, worthless, purposeless, nothing. Hence Gods are brought down to the same level of man, which is on the same level as dirt, which is on the same level as a single photon, etc. In other words, the gods are just as worthless, pointless, as us. They are nothing just like us. Bring a god down to your level or the level of nothingness and purposeless, it's no longer a "god."


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/05/18 03:13:26


Post by: Psienesis


This is... not really the place for that kind of discussion, though there are real-world historical examples of advanced civilizations having gods and such, but everything mankind did being utterly meaningless in the grand scheme of things. Sumeria, for one,


New Chaos Gods @ 2012/05/21 06:40:10


Post by: Urien_Rakarth


Psienesis@ Thought you meant Cegorash lol


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Back to the discussion- God of Madness then?