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Post by: Urien_Rakarth
I was thinking, and you know how Slaanesh was made, as there was a sort of critical mass of Excess reached in the universe.
Couldn't this mean that there could actually be more chaos gods waiting in the warp? 
I had an idea for 1:
The Imperium has loads of poverty and misery, right?
So couldn't there eventually, if things stay the way they are, be a Chaos god of Misery forming?
Just an idea 
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Post by: Son 0f Dorn
Quite the opposite. All of the worship and sacrifice to the emperor is creating something in the warp as well. Search Star Child on the lexicanum.
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Post by: NagothDaCleaver
But, yes, it is technically true that if there was an over abundance of one kind of feeling/emotion/act, especially by a populous and powerfully psychic race like the Eldar were at the time, that there would eventually be a fifth chaos power born.
As far as misery goes, i think that falls a little close to the realm of Papa Nurgle to ever be it's own force in the warp.
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Post by: Urien_Rakarth
Son 0f Dorn wrote:Quite the opposite. All of the worship and sacrifice to the emperor is creating something in the warp as well. Search Star Child on the lexicanum.
Lexicanum? Automatically Appended Next Post: What about a lord of Fire and Death, bit close to Khorne, but possible
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Post by: NagothDaCleaver
Urien_Rakarth wrote:Son 0f Dorn wrote:Quite the opposite. All of the worship and sacrifice to the emperor is creating something in the warp as well. Search Star Child on the lexicanum.
Lexicanum?
Now you can lose hours of your life to the interwebs...
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Main_Page
The specific article he refers to is
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Star_Child
Have fun 
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Post by: Son 0f Dorn
Plus, there was also a fifth chaos god who was exiled by the others (written out about same time as squats) who fed on other chaos gods. The cults of this god would attack other chaos cults and even themselves.
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Post by: Uhlan
I discussed the 'remaking' of the Emperor in another thread. Originallly, in certain fluff the Emperor came about when several thousand Shaman/psykers voluntarily sacrificed themselves in order to bring about the protector of mankind. Now, billions of 'souls' are force fed to the Golden throne and the Astronomicon. What consequence this will have on the Emperors rebirth and what form it will take is open for some lively debate.
Maybe, the Emperor will return as a god... or at least admit it this time around.
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Post by: Son 0f Dorn
Ho ho! It is an interesting prospect for the advancement of story in the next rulebook, but the star child has been declared non-canon. :(
We also read that when all the edlar die, their essences will come together in the warp to destroy Slaneesh. What will that do, I wonder.
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Post by: Uhlan
@Sons of Dorn
Did they declare the Star Child Non-canon at the same time they declared the Sensei defunct as well? I assumed they kept everything afloat using 'rumor' and false dogma as a pretense toward keeping fluff options open.
In other words you never really know whats true or false.
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Post by: Son 0f Dorn
Actually, the article has been modified since I last read it so I believe you are correct 
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Post by: Andilus Greatsword
Go great, the Emo God of Chaos... just what we need.
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Post by: Uhlan
Yeah, quite the ham-handed way of doing things, oh well.
But how does one tie a million fluff threads together without making really egregious boo-boos?
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Post by: Son 0f Dorn
Midichlorians. Duh! 
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Post by: AlmightyWalrus
Andilus Greatsword wrote:Go great, the Emo God of Chaos... just what we need.
Slaanesh has that one covered, as does Khorne.
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Post by: Henners91
The one god that I felt had a niche nobody else covers would be a God of conformity and uniformity... It seems as if all of the Chaos Gods reward individuals that seek to do well for themselves. Perhaps Nurgle has the whole family love and comradeship thing, but even he has his champions.
What about a god that capitalised on all of the conformity in the Imperium? His followers are told to make do with their lot, to not try to differentiate themselves, hell they all change their names to Steve (yes this god is Marik Ishtar)...
In short, a god who doesn't accept the offerings of one but rather the joint offering of many, a god whose followers content themselves with simply coasting through life and not attempting to be remarkable.
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Post by: Son 0f Dorn
It's very possible one previously existed. There were several 'friendly' Eldar gods before the fall. Most of them were destroyed or captured by the 4.
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Post by: ZacktheChaosChild
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Malal yet.
*Inquisition bursts through the door*
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Post by: Son 0f Dorn
ZacktheChaosChild wrote:I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Malal yet.
*Inquisition bursts through the door*
I did earlier. Just couldn't remember the name
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Post by: Mr Nobody
Henners91 wrote:The one god that I felt had a niche nobody else covers would be a God of conformity and uniformity... It seems as if all of the Chaos Gods reward individuals that seek to do well for themselves. Perhaps Nurgle has the whole family love and comradeship thing, but even he has his champions.
What about a god that capitalised on all of the conformity in the Imperium? His followers are told to make do with their lot, to not try to differentiate themselves, hell they all change their names to Steve (yes this god is Marik Ishtar)...
In short, a god who doesn't accept the offerings of one but rather the joint offering of many, a god whose followers content themselves with simply coasting through life and not attempting to be remarkable.
Conformity is a lack of emotion, there's nothing for a warp entity to feed off of.
@ OP: misery leads to either despair and apathy, so Nurgle; or leads to desperation and a the struggle for power, so Tzeentch.
I imagine a God of greed, not like apetite like Slaanesh, but hoarding of wealth and power for the sake of ownership.
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Post by: NagothDaCleaver
As far as i know GW has never "officially" declared the Star Child/Sensei/Illuminati stuff dead and gone, there is just more recent stuff that contradicts parts of it. So the Interweb community now considers it non-canon.
If any one knows different and can link to GW declaring this stuff dead and gone than please do.
I know there are, at the very least, still factions of Inquisitors that believe in the Star Child/Sensei/Illuminati stuff.
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Post by: Uhlan
Mr Nobody wrote:Henners91 wrote:The one god that I felt had a niche nobody else covers would be a God of conformity and uniformity... It seems as if all of the Chaos Gods reward individuals that seek to do well for themselves. Perhaps Nurgle has the whole family love and comradeship thing, but even he has his champions.
What about a god that capitalised on all of the conformity in the Imperium? His followers are told to make do with their lot, to not try to differentiate themselves, hell they all change their names to Steve (yes this god is Marik Ishtar)...
In short, a god who doesn't accept the offerings of one but rather the joint offering of many, a god whose followers content themselves with simply coasting through life and not attempting to be remarkable.
Conformity is a lack of emotion, there's nothing for a warp entity to feed off of.
@ OP: misery leads to either despair and apathy, so Nurgle; or leads to desperation and a the struggle for power, so Tzeentch.
I imagine a God of greed, not like apetite like Slaanesh, but hoarding of wealth and power for the sake of ownership.
Exactly.
Though I might add that Slaanesh would encompass greed as well. I think that's what sets Slaanesh apart is that he is more than just nibbling at the edge of the other gods domains. I don't think he's the 4th part of the whole at all, but something else entirely. Hoarding wealth the way its described above is denial in the face of need which causes desperation.
Emotion creates the ripples in the warp that many of the psychically tuned races fear and the Chaos Gods rely on. Humanity keeps feeding the tempest in the warp with its unrestrained psychic expansion. The Eldar have tried to limit their effect on the warp by instituting massive controls which have seriously changed their culture. This is viewed as the 'loss' of certain gods, etc...
Humanity, as of the 41st millenium is going the denial route and trying to impose strict controls. Deny yourself the warp and you'll be safe would be the mantra for the untold billions in the Imperium. This is proving virtually impossible as the human race is still undergoing a tremendous transformation to 'something' new. Humanity would either transform, or fall completely as it doesn't have the discipline of the Eldar to remake itself. This was the goal of the Emperor as he had forseen this. His legacy has become more and more distorted in the last 10k millenia, but there are a few lights twinkling in the darkness who know the truth of it all.
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Post by: Dark Apostle 666
How about the god of overpowering codexes?
Yes, the one known as Ward...
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Post by: vitki
Weren't the Exodite Eldar working on creating a new god from their world spirits?
Been trying to find something about it, but my google-fu is weak today.
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Post by: Uhlan
Dark Apostle 666 wrote:How about the god of overpowering codexes?
Yes, the one known as Ward...
A Chaos God named 'Ward'... the irony.
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Post by: NagothDaCleaver
vitki wrote:
Been trying to find something about it, but my google-fu is weak today.
Mine too... I blame Matt WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARD!!!!!!
and AL Gore...
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Post by: Henners91
Mr Nobody wrote:Henners91 wrote:The one god that I felt had a niche nobody else covers would be a God of conformity and uniformity... It seems as if all of the Chaos Gods reward individuals that seek to do well for themselves. Perhaps Nurgle has the whole family love and comradeship thing, but even he has his champions.
What about a god that capitalised on all of the conformity in the Imperium? His followers are told to make do with their lot, to not try to differentiate themselves, hell they all change their names to Steve (yes this god is Marik Ishtar)...
In short, a god who doesn't accept the offerings of one but rather the joint offering of many, a god whose followers content themselves with simply coasting through life and not attempting to be remarkable.
Conformity is a lack of emotion, there's nothing for a warp entity to feed off of.
@ OP: misery leads to either despair and apathy, so Nurgle; or leads to desperation and a the struggle for power, so Tzeentch.
I imagine a God of greed, not like apetite like Slaanesh, but hoarding of wealth and power for the sake of ownership.
Anxiety, self-loathing (rather an opposite to Nurgle in that respect) and camaraderie?
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Post by: Urien_Rakarth
Fear!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'VE GOT IT!!!!!!!!!!
5th CHAOS GOD OF FEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: Melkhiordarkblade
I remember there was a piece in an old codex saying that there is many,many Chaos gods but they are small and short lived while others are just gods those worship really just ends up feeding one of the big 4.
I'm sure things like daemons made from the emotions of a local population is made the same way as gods just not enough worshipers.
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Post by: Mr. Suduku
I believe there is quite a few Chaos Gods, due to the fact that Games Workshop has created one or two warbands that worship said gods. However, they are not one of the four "Great Powers", and tend to be worshipped by only about a communion of about a hundred or so.
And I think Malal would have eventually have become the fifth Chaos God, had the legal hoo-hah not ensued.
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Post by: Son 0f Dorn
I like to think they brought Malal back as the tyranids. Shadow in the warp makes them anti-psychers, and they destroy all of the food for the other gods. No people, no emotions or worshipers.
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Post by: TyraelVladinhurst
Uhlan wrote:@Sons of Dorn
In other words you never really know whats true or false.
thank the Alpha Legion for that, lol
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Post by: Mr Nobody
Urien_Rakarth wrote:Fear!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'VE GOT IT!!!!!!!!!!
5th CHAOS GOD OF FEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You know... why isn't there one, you could get really unique with that one.
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Post by: bigmek35
Is saw a realy cool idea of a chaos god of time, and how his followers where imortal and never aged.
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Post by: Kasrkai
I like that fear idea. Time too. After all, you get only so much time to live, and all mortals fear death. I need a write-f*g.
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Post by: Mr Nobody
The last two posts should be combined into one, "all men fear the march of time". It is fed by fear, but it's powers are based on aging.
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Post by: Urien_Rakarth
I like it, name anyone?
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Colours?
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Post by: tarnish
Son 0f Dorn wrote:I like to think they brought Malal back as the tyranids. Shadow in the warp makes them anti-psychers, and they destroy all of the food for the other gods. No people, no emotions or worshipers.
Now this is extremely far fetched, as the tyranids are utterly uncaring what they eat as long as its tasty
Besides why do it the hard way when you can slug it out in the warp against the gods themselves? the others do that constantly so another god that fights chaos as a whole is pretty redundant to say the least. I guess they decided there was little substance in malal in general and wrote him out. i say good riddens.
as for chaos gods in general its common knowledge that the 4 major powers are simply the big guys. there are more gods then numbers, but most are too minor to deserve a sidenote.
as things are you can invent whatever you like since the warp is literally endless.
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Post by: Kasrkai
I would vote the name to be Aikar, stemming form aika, Finnish word for time.
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Post by: Mr Nobody
Kasrkai wrote:I would vote the name to be Aikar, stemming form aika, Finnish word for time.
And color should be grey, or something dour.
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Post by: papathrax
We already have the 5th Chaos God - Occupational Health and Safety. It's name is Mishap, and feeds on all the time lost to work injuries and accidents, as well as the pisfarting around caused by endless Job Safety Analysis' and risk assessments . Its colours are Hi-Vis Orange and Green with shiny silver stripes.
It's Greater Deamons are not giant bloodthirsty killers, or strange and twisted psykers... they are 5'6", portly middle aged men - half bald with a comb-over - armed only with a clip board, who go from squad to squad, disabling them by forcing them to fill out JSA's for marching, drill, and combat, then forming them into unions in order to strike for better working conditions.
Unfortunately, It's stuck planning its first Safety Crusade because it's still working through the red tape and associated paperwork.... risk assesments on the effects of bolter fire on both the firer and the target... the environmental impact of spent casings....
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Post by: Kasrkai
Mr Nobody wrote:Kasrkai wrote:I would vote the name to be Aikar, stemming form aika, Finnish word for time.
And color should be grey, or something dour.
Like so?
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Post by: Mr Nobody
Kasrkai wrote:Mr Nobody wrote:Kasrkai wrote:I would vote the name to be Aikar, stemming form aika, Finnish word for time.
And color should be grey, or something dour.
Like so?
Exactly, I imagine them marching across the battlefield, while smoke or something obscures them.
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Post by: Kasrkai
Dramatic battle cries, like " your time is up" or something equally cliche. Or maybe just saying tick tock over and over.
Not the song, the sound.
Kesha marines. Eww.
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Post by: xXSir MontyXx
Kasrkai wrote:Dramatic battle cries, like " your time is up" or something equally cliche. Or maybe just saying tick tock over and over.
Not the song, the sound.
Kesha marines. Eww.
Wow the thought is horrible, noise marines blaring Kesha constantly..... every being in the galaxy would be doomed.
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Post by: asimo77
Hey my Noise Marines always play Ke$ha! Glad to see I'm not the only one with that idea.
Anyway my CSM fluff is based around the idea that there's a minor Chaos Diety of hypocrisy. I think it's a fairly abstract concept that would make good fodder for a warp being.
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Post by: Melkhiordarkblade
The Chaos God of Hipsters.
Because the Greater Powers are soooo mainstream.
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Post by: Son 0f Dorn
tarnish wrote:Son 0f Dorn wrote:I like to think they brought Malal back as the tyranids. Shadow in the warp makes them anti-psychers, and they destroy all of the food for the other gods. No people, no emotions or worshipers.
Now this is extremely far fetched, as the tyranids are utterly uncaring what they eat as long as its tasty
Besides why do it the hard way when you can slug it out in the warp against the gods themselves? the others do that constantly so another god that fights chaos as a whole is pretty redundant to say the least. I guess they decided there was little substance in malal in general and wrote him out. i say good riddens.
as for chaos gods in general its common knowledge that the 4 major powers are simply the big guys. there are more gods then numbers, but most are too minor to deserve a sidenote.
as things are you can invent whatever you like since the warp is literally endless.
Why fight them in the warp when you can destroy their fuel? Malal already got whooped before so why would he fight them where they are strongest?
Plus, as nobody has touched the hive mind, we don't know what it's thinking. Nids themselves are a mindless extention of it's will and do not actually eat any of it. That's done solely by rippers.
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Post by: D.Smith
Son 0f Dorn wrote:Plus, as nobody has touched the hive mind, we don't know what it's thinking.
"ALL I WANTED WAS A HAPPY MEAL!!!!!!!"  <----- The hive minds endless torment ever since its mother didnt let it have a macdonalds.......... 
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Post by: asimo77
Didn't the UM Libby (Tigurius or something) contact the hivemind at some point?
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Post by: DarknessEternal
Please stop saying "fifth" chaos god; there are hundreds.
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Post by: Kasrkai
DarknessEternal wrote:Please stop saying "fifth" chaos god; there are hundreds.
I'd say the big four are the only "real' Chaos Gods. I consider the lesser Deities to be Arch-Daemons or something similar.
Anyway, the idea of linking a Chaos God to the Tyranids is a daring one to put forth. The idea that Malal returns with his Tyranids to finally end the inner conflict of the Chaos Gods is interesting, but would culminate into his own destruction, as that is where he draws his power, no? But I'm really having fun with the Time God thing. The Emprah is running out of time himself. Sounds like a buffet to me.
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Post by: DarthLakey
there is Archaon
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Post by: Urien_Rakarth
Who is Malal?
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I think I like this Idea best.
a name could be GrÃmur- it comes from the Icelandic for grim (endless time spend on google translate loooking for cool sounding words!) or Sker-reaper in Icelandic.
As for colours I liked Kasrkai's Idea:
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Post by: Austragalis
Any powerful entity that exists in the warp is technically a God. That includes the Emperor/Star Child, Hive Mind, Chaos, Gork and Mork, etc.
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Post by: Urien_Rakarth
what about the Daemons. All the other 4's daemons are superior to each other in some way. Nurgle is very hard to kill with 2 wounds on basic plaguebearers. Slaanesh is f@#*ing fast, Tzeench is Psychic to the extreme, if I recall corectly pink horrors even get some psychics. Then Khorne I don't remember. The time gods could cause fear,/be mega strong?
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Post by: zxwarrior
I think the "sixth" would be something along the lines of death. fifth being malal. but look at the universe and all you will see is death in every corner of the universe.
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Post by: asimo77
One of Nurgle's domains is death
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Post by: Kasrkai
Urien_Rakarth wrote:what about the Daemons. All the other 4's daemons are superior to each other in some way. Nurgle is very hard to kill with 2 wounds on basic plaguebearers. Slaanesh is f@#*ing fast, Tzeench is Psychic to the extreme, if I recall corectly pink horrors even get some psychics. Then Khorne I don't remember. The time gods could cause fear,/be mega strong?
Maybe rewind a roll?
That would piss me off.
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Post by: Mr Nobody
Kasrkai wrote:Urien_Rakarth wrote:what about the Daemons. All the other 4's daemons are superior to each other in some way. Nurgle is very hard to kill with 2 wounds on basic plaguebearers. Slaanesh is f@#*ing fast, Tzeench is Psychic to the extreme, if I recall corectly pink horrors even get some psychics. Then Khorne I don't remember. The time gods could cause fear,/be mega strong?
Maybe rewind a roll?
That would piss me off.
Rerolls, sperior armor saves, special powers that reduce the enemy's stats.
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Post by: FlammingGaunt
Mr Nobody wrote:Urien_Rakarth wrote:Fear!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'VE GOT IT!!!!!!!!!!
5th CHAOS GOD OF FEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You know... why isn't there one, you could get really unique with that one.
I've actually worked that into one of my Dark Heresy campaigns his Daemons were based on the fears I quickly grouped together: Darkness, Mutation, War, Unknown, Mortality(death), Tyrants, and Divine.
Also all hail Malal! Fear his Doomed ones.
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Post by: asimo77
Is there really no god of fear? That seems like a missed opportunity. Also is there one for sadism or cruelty? There seems to be a lot of that in 40k
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Post by: -Loki-
Fear as an emotion has its roots in different things. I'd assume all of the Chaos gods draw from it depending on what it is fear of.
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Post by: asimo77
You know the Nightbringer covers the fear domain. He isn't a chaos god, but why double up on one aspect? That being said Tzeentch, the Deciever, and Cegorach are all quite similar. But then again that creates some cool interplay between all these super crafty dieties. I can't see the benefit of multiple fear gods though.
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Post by: -Loki-
Son 0f Dorn wrote:Plus, as nobody has touched the hive mind, we don't know what it's thinking. Nids themselves are a mindless extention of it's will and do not actually eat any of it. That's done solely by rippers.
Try reading some Tigerius fluff. He has touched the Hive Mind. It's a soulless, emotionless intellect with an insatiable hunger, nothing more.
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Post by: tarnish
we might get closer to something usefull by defining the existing gods.
Khorne: God of rage and the emotions associated with battle - honor and so forth.
Slaanesh: God of lust, sensations and to some degree fear too. Its a sensation and is probably as pleasurable to him as lust.
Nurgle: God of stagnation and death, corruption, greed and stillness. he is in many ways the embodiment of the imperial ideal. An oppressor.
Tzeentch: God of Intrigue, power hunger and conspiracies. Envy and manipulations feed him as much as the lust for the arcane, magic being a tool to achieve power.
Unless im mistaking then the god of fear is allready there, so is the god of death and time... well... these things feed of emotions. what emotions are associated with time? fear of aging?
Possibly a god of arrogance and pride, who whispers to those that do terrible things in the name of a cause or because they feel they must. pushing them to even greater limits of atrocity. a god of the misguided and the desperate. but i guess about all of the above would be up for that kind of work.
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Post by: Harriticus
Instead of bringing new Gods, just bring back Malal. Adjust him a bit to make him more sinister as well. Adding concepts such as treachery, anarchy, and so on.
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Post by: Hawkward
A possible solution to the problem of Chaos armies having limited options in the god department would be to define and characterize each major Chaos trait, build special Rules for each trait, and allow Chaos Lords to equip them as smaller, weaker versions of Marks. With a few additions, it would create a system that would allow any player to mix and match several Marks to create their own minor Chaos God.
KHORNE
- Blood
- War
- Death
- Rage
NURGLE
- Disease
- Corruption
- Destruction
- Despair
SLAANESH
- Sensation
- Passion
- Pride
- Temptation
TZEENTCH
- Change
- Fate
- Sorcery
- Deceit
Now, take three total from any Chaos God, order them in terms of importance, and congratulations! You have a minor God of the Warp. For example, if I took Corruption, Death and War, I can create the Daemon God Chemosh, an ally of Nurgle with his own play style and fluff that could complement Nurgle very nicely. With the ranking system and the ability to stack such abilitiies, I believe this leaves room for at least four thousand unique combinations.
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Post by: Urien_Rakarth
I really like the last idea, and it even half fits with the fluff as Chaos gods come about when anough worship/devotion/ what they are comes about and happens and gathers in the warp. I like the idea as well as of chosing your own aspects of the different Chaos gods in a mix-and-match scenario, as you often find with armies generally you are often limited to the things you can take, ie. The old DE really made you choose between a Wych Cult or a Kabal, with not much room for varition in either, or Chaos Divided for obvious reasons.
I do however like the idea of another Chaos God of Time/Fear. Some CSM armour colours were made on page2, and I thought some thought could be given to Daemons.
I came up with the Chaos God Sker-
-Fear
-Time
-Age
-Sorrow
His greater Daemons would be Bringers of Terror, his elite would be Youth Thieves, and his lesser Daemons would be Omen Bearers. I think that the Omen Bearers should look like hooded black and gold figures, whilst Youth Theives should look similar with bare skulls, reapers, and some sort of weapon, maybe the reapers, which instantly stole any enemies youth and turned them into old frail figures, much like the DE Chronos does. The Bringer of Terror could mabe look abit like the Nightbringer on DoW Soulstorm, with a leering face and black and gold robes swirling around him, possibly with a signiature weapon like the reaper, but could be different.
Finally, the black in the colour sceme could be changed for grey, and I haven't yet come up with a signiature trait like all the other Chaos Gods have, so someone could help me there?
Thats all, so hope you like!
P.S Whp is Malal?
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Post by: DarknessEternal
Urien_Rakarth wrote:
I came up with the Chaos God Sker-
-Fear
-Time
-Age
-Sorrow
Those things are all covered by Nurgle.
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Post by: Mr Nobody
Urien_Rakarth wrote:I really like the last idea, and it even half fits with the fluff as Chaos gods come about when anough worship/devotion/ what they are comes about and happens and gathers in the warp. I like the idea as well as of chosing your own aspects of the different Chaos gods in a mix-and-match scenario, as you often find with armies generally you are often limited to the things you can take, ie. The old DE really made you choose between a Wych Cult or a Kabal, with not much room for varition in either, or Chaos Divided for obvious reasons.
I do however like the idea of another Chaos God of Time/Fear. Some CSM armour colours were made on page2, and I thought some thought could be given to Daemons.
I came up with the Chaos God Sker-
-Fear
-Time
-Age
-Sorrow
His greater Daemons would be Bringers of Terror, his elite would be Youth Thieves, and his lesser Daemons would be Omen Bearers. I think that the Omen Bearers should look like hooded black and gold figures, whilst Youth Theives should look similar with bare skulls, reapers, and some sort of weapon, maybe the reapers, which instantly stole any enemies youth and turned them into old frail figures, much like the DE Chronos does. The Bringer of Terror could mabe look abit like the Nightbringer on DoW Soulstorm, with a leering face and black and gold robes swirling around him, possibly with a signiature weapon like the reaper, but could be different.
Finally, the black in the colour sceme could be changed for grey, and I haven't yet come up with a signiature trait like all the other Chaos Gods have, so someone could help me there?
Thats all, so hope you like!
P.S Whp is Malal?
I imagine it having a bit of a nihilist personality, being very dour and negative. Automatically Appended Next Post: DarknessEternal wrote:Urien_Rakarth wrote:
I came up with the Chaos God Sker-
-Fear
-Time
-Age
-Sorrow
Those things are all covered by Nurgle.
I always thought Nurgle was apathy and acceptance of the end.
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Post by: DarknessEternal
Mr Nobody wrote:
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DarknessEternal wrote:Urien_Rakarth wrote:
I came up with the Chaos God Sker-
-Fear
-Time
-Age
-Sorrow
Those things are all covered by Nurgle.
I always thought Nurgle was apathy and acceptance of the end.
He has the most diversified portfolio of the big 4, but entropy and despair covers all of those things mentioned.
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Post by: Kasrkai
The new God definitely needs to be a piss-ant.
Khorne: Angry
Tzeentch: Don't really know. JUST AS PLANNED
Slaanesh: Thrill-seeker
Nurgle: Cheerful
Now he needs to be a depressed kind of piss-an, like an irritable emo. Not in an old man angry way, that would be Khorney.
@Urien_Rakarth: Sker?
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Post by: Urien_Rakarth
So your saying maybe really annoyed at life, hates everything in existance kind of thing?... I like this but I think it is quite close to Khorne, so maybe instead of the bloody-guts anger you imagine with Khorne, a sort of Cold-Blooded Black Hate for the new God, Sker. Automatically Appended Next Post: WHO IS MALAL? Automatically Appended Next Post: I came up with the name Sker a page ago, by using the Icelandic transalation for something Automatically Appended Next Post: Kasrkai wrote:Urien_Rakarth wrote:what about the Daemons. All the other 4's daemons are superior to each other in some way. Nurgle is very hard to kill with 2 wounds on basic plaguebearers. Slaanesh is f@#*ing fast, Tzeench is Psychic to the extreme, if I recall corectly pink horrors even get some psychics. Then Khorne I don't remember. The time gods could cause fear,/be mega strong?
Maybe rewind a roll?
That would piss me off.
Actually I think thats quite a good idea... plus it adds to the time aspect. It might be abit powerfull for just the basic infantry, though.
Maybe once per battle each unit of Sker Daemons could rewind time one turn?
Next aspect, what about a symbol?
PS How do you upload pics, ie does the pic already have to be on the internet? in a file? on the Dakka gallery?
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Post by: Kasrkai
I'd say a symbol would need to use hard geometry, so-as to show how very dour he is.
I know it sucks. Get someone with talent to do something, this is a thirty-second sketch idea.
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Post by: Urien_Rakarth
I really like this, but I think it, like the other Chaos symbols, should be more hollow and an elaborate shape. I got the idea of ssomething like an octogan with 4 scarab like legs branching of the middle 4 points, and a broken top with some sort of rune coming inwards. I'll try and upload it soon.
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Post by: Kasrkai
Urien_Rakarth wrote:I really like this, but I think it, like the other Chaos symbols, should be more hollow and an elaborate shape. I got the idea of ssomething like an octogan with 4 scarab like legs branching of the middle 4 points, and a broken top with some sort of rune coming inwards. I'll try and upload it soon.
Interesting... I made mine bland to give the idea that he is SO much different that other gods. On the outside, anyway.
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Post by: Henners91
Ageing, decay and death would fall within Nurgle's purview imo...
But raw fear, that's interesting.
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Post by: Kasrkai
Henners91 wrote:Ageing, decay and death would fall within Nurgle's purview imo...
But raw fear, that's interesting.
Dunno about aging, but death and decay are probably Nurgle's alright.
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Post by: Mr Nobody
Henners91 wrote:Ageing, decay and death would fall within Nurgle's purview imo...
But raw fear, that's interesting.
We came up with time because we figured that's what people fear most, though we could just make the chaos god a giant boogeyman.
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Post by: thermatic
its funny how every one views nurgle as decay and death when he isent. Read the daemon codex and army book and you find out he treats his daemons like children and the diseases as gifts. Nurgle while yes the god of diseases, he is also the god of joy and people living their life ( not to be confused with pleasures of life). Read the beasts of nurgle and you find that they try and find "play things" and lavish effection on them.
As for malak, he is still around to some people as he is anarchy and the fear of oppression. Their wont be another chaos god because the way i see it after what malak did in the early days they wouldent risk having someone as powerful as all four of them.
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Post by: Urien_Rakarth
Its interesting that nurgle theory that he is also the god of kindness and life. Slaanesh is joy to all levels, and Tzeench is hope. It seems with out the Chaos Gods life could not function at all, or if it could it would just be an eternity of Imperial oppresion? IMHO
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Post by: thermatic
Urien_Rakarth races can live with out the chaos gods,Tau for example have no soul thus no ties to the warp and that means they cant influence the gods or create daemons. If no chaos gods existed than anything with a soul or connection to psychic powers wouldent exist.
gingers would be fine tho we dont have souls 
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Post by: Urien_Rakarth
What I mean is things could exist, but for instance, without Tzeench, lord of Change and Hope, life would never change, and there would be no hope for change or freedom. Things could live, but Chaos is needed to an extent or an almost new form of Chaos would become, the Chaos of order.
On the Tau if you look at them they have no freedom- the Ethereals dominate their lives intirely- only those who have broken away-Farsight for instace-could possibly be said to have something close to souls. Likewise you never hear of them having any fun-they're born into a caste, live a set out and dull life-then die. And they have no ties to Slaanesh. Do you see my point?
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Post by: thermatic
Tau do have freedom with farsight showing they can break away from the higher evolution of the ethereals and you cant say tau have no freedom because the Ethereal is like the emperor he controls people and they obay reguardless and humans have a link to chaos. The gods were created through creatures with a link, even without the gods creatures would beable to live their life because the chaos gods do not control life or hope but are the manifestations of them.
A prime example is slaanesh, their was pleasure long before it was created. Life changes reguardless and the chaos gods have no control over that since they are the physical manifestation of the emotion's. If Tzeench was the true god of change and hope he could control it,he could destroy anything and change the past, present and future but cannot. You have to understand Urien That the gods are created through souls of creatures with emotion and if a creature did not have a soul or a link like a blank in humans, They would still beable to live their life reguardless.
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Post by: Chaos Emperor
There is God of Fear: Konrad Kurze. I know, he isnt Actually a god, but when has death ever stopped someone in 40K? Lucius has died loads of times for example. Anyway, Kurze could return as the god of fear and vindication. As Kurze saw his assasination as vindication for his actions and he did use fear to keep Nostramo in line, he would be a perfect candidate for a god of fear. Add on the fact that there are numerous references in the Codexes and the rule book to a 'Darkness on the eastern fringe' and darkness is commonly linked to Fear and ALL races feel fear, even space marines (they're trained and altered to block it out) you get the idea that there is something coming.
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Post by: thermatic
Chaos Emperor first Konrad Kurze wouldent be the god of fear as the reason he let the assassin kill him was because he felt wrong about what he had become and the "darkness on the eastern fringe" refers to one of two things the tyranids or the necron pylons used to restrict the old ones from entering our galxey.
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Post by: Hawkward
IIRC, wasn't it inconclusive whether or not the assassin killed Curze? It was implied, but wasn't outright stated, I think.
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Post by: thermatic
Hawkward it was stated in the audio book throne of lies.
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Post by: Urien_Rakarth
sorry thermatic-i'm with you now
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hHa all good mate.
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Post by: TyraelVladinhurst
thermatic wrote:Hawkward it was stated in the audio book throne of lies.
it was also stated in Lord of Night seeing as 3rd captain saw it all
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Sorry, it was just a thought.
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Post by: Revenent Reiko
aww thats a bit rubbish, never thought they were actually going to come out and tell us that Kurze died :(
i loved the mystery surrounding his assassination, especially that the assassin never came back and the pict recording finished before the final blow was struck....shame
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Post by: Urien_Rakarth
Kasrkai wrote:Urien_Rakarth wrote:I really like this, but I think it, like the other Chaos symbols, should be more hollow and an elaborate shape. I got the idea of ssomething like an octogan with 4 scarab like legs branching of the middle 4 points, and a broken top with some sort of rune coming inwards. I'll try and upload it soon.
Interesting... I made mine bland to give the idea that he is SO much different that other gods. On the outside, anyway.
A new idea could be to make an almost complete circle, but then at one point have it branch into the centre, where it would be a symbol of fear. Does anyone know any fear symbols? Automatically Appended Next Post: Kasrkai wrote:Mr Nobody wrote:Kasrkai wrote:I would vote the name to be Aikar, stemming form aika, Finnish word for time.
And color should be grey, or something dour.
Like so?
For a CSM chapter name, the 'Fear Eternal'
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Post by: Mr. Suduku
Of a relatively interesting nature...
I have a dated Chaos Army Book, (Fantasy, but keep on listening) it states cleary that there is hundereds of Chaos Gods who are worshipped in secret throught the Old World. It also states that,
Khorne is the God of Blood, War, and Skulls.
Tzeentch is the God of Magic, Mutation and the /time/stream.
Nurgle is the God of despair, disease and pestilence.
Slaanesh is the Prince of Chaos, master of excess. (All Slaanesh had at the time this book was printed)
There is various other Chaos Gods, such as Malal, the great Destroyer. All the Dark Gods are revered by their acolytes, and feared by mortals.
(This was from a very, VERY old army book)
Also, Furies were originally going to be Malal's daemons.
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Post by: Laughing God
I believe fear is covered by nurgle isnt it? (fear of death?)
And couldnt the Tyranids hive mind be considered a chaos god as it resides in the warp and it is nothing but the combined minds and feelings of Zillions of bugs? The all consuming god of hunger?
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Post by: Urien_Rakarth
Nurgle doesn't cover fear, and the Hive Mind is devoid of emotion, so couldn't be a god. And the Tyranids don't feel anything.
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Post by: FlammingGaunt
Urien_Rakarth wrote:Nurgle doesn't cover fear, and the Hive Mind is devoid of emotion, so couldn't be a god. And the Tyranids don't feel anything.
Well supposedly they just feel the need to feed. But most likely your correct the hive mind can't be a god from the warp. However when I started wh40k there was a rumor that the hive mind was the Outsider.
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Post by: Urien_Rakarth
Outsider is no way the hive mind.
Outsider is completely bonkers, and hive mind is an intellegent hunger.
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I know it was just some silly rumor that I remembered.
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Post by: Urien_Rakarth
sure. OK.
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Yeah, the Hive Mind is quite like a murderous computer.
BACK ON SUBJECT:
The problem is that we don't want to scratch on the other gods' domains, so death isn't available, it is already owned by Nurgle. However aging is not and time is no-one god's domain, so we have our shell:
(Insert name here): Time, Aging, Fear.
Nurgle: Death, Decay, Joy.
Khorne: Violence, Bloodshed, Hate.
Slaanesh: Lust, Pleasure, Pain.
Tzeentch: Plotting, Change, Hope.
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Post by: Henners91
Urien_Rakarth wrote:What I mean is things could exist, but for instance, without Tzeench, lord of Change and Hope, life would never change, and there would be no hope for change or freedom. Things could live, but Chaos is needed to an extent or an almost new form of Chaos would become, the Chaos of order.
On the Tau if you look at them they have no freedom- the Ethereals dominate their lives intirely- only those who have broken away-Farsight for instace-could possibly be said to have something close to souls. Likewise you never hear of them having any fun-they're born into a caste, live a set out and dull life-then die. And they have no ties to Slaanesh. Do you see my point?
The Chaos Gods aren't the SOURCE of what they represent: Quite the opposite, they are spawned by emotions that end up in the warp and are empowered by them, meaning they enjoy a parasitic relationship.
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Post by: Urien_Rakarth
What about an eternal graveyard where its pitch black the whole time but you can just see what you fear most at the edge of your vision like room 101 for the domain?
Name should definitely be Sker!
For the symbol I came up with an almost complete circle, but where one of the unfinished points branches into the middle to become a skull.
Daemons where explained earlier, and they're hooded, floating completely black with no faces.
Greater Daemons are largely the same, but with swirling, robes and a staff-weapon that drains the youth out of enemies, and some take the shape of what the opponent fears most.
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I'm getting some more models soon, so I might try and make a convesion of the daemon.
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Post by: FlammingGaunt
Henners right the chaos gods were created by all the psykers the old ones made to fight the necrons and the C'tan.
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Post by: Kasrkai
How about the chaos god of logic. His marines wear no symbols, camouflage according to the environment, and have small pauldrons.
Super-Heresy.
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Post by: Urien_Rakarth
Urien_Rakarth wrote:What about an eternal graveyard where its pitch black the whole time but you can just see what you fear most at the edge of your vision like room 101 for the domain?
Name should definitely be Sker!
For the symbol I came up with an almost complete circle, but where one of the unfinished points branches into the middle to become a skull.
Daemons where explained earlier, and they're hooded, floating completely black with no faces.
Greater Daemons are largely the same, but with swirling, robes and a staff-weapon that drains the youth out of enemies, and some take the shape of what the opponent fears most.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
I'm getting some more models soon, so I might try and make a convesion of the daemon.
Keep on topic. Come on, we need this to move along.
Kasrakai if you saw the OP that was the first idea with all the poverty and single style life of the IoM
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Post by: Kasrkai
Personally, I don't like the name sker. I'm not saying Aikar is better, it's just something I googled.
Besides, all of Chaos floats on misery, and uniformity doesn't seem to be something he/she could feed off of.
As for Greater Daemons, I would think of them as always changing age. Not shape though.
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Post by: Urien_Rakarth
OK, I liked Sker, as it sounds evil enough, but Aikar sounds too noble and good to me. I also got Grimur. Earlier, I saw Archaon, and whilst this is probably something taken, I like the sound, as it has an ancient ring to it.
What you said about the greater Daemons, I understand the age idea, but I just can't really see that happening, but maybe if it was constantly in a position that acted on everyone's fear, that might be good. Maybe the some of the moderate daemons could be constantly changing age, whilst the others could be shifting on peoples fears?
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Aetox maybe?
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Post by: Mordoskul
Well, when the Emperor dies, the fifth god of chaos will be born. Malal, the god destined to slay his brothers.
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Post by: FlammingGaunt
Not Emperor is the Star Child, Malal is chaos tendency to fight itself manifested. his daemons are badass and hunt other daemons Doomed ones I thing they're called. They're black scaled 8ft tall lizardmen with daemon weapons with the souls of daemon hunters inside.
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Post by: Mordoskul
FlammingGaunt wrote:Not Emperor is the Star Child, Malal is chaos tendency to fight itself manifested. his daemons are badass and hunt other daemons Doomed ones I thing they're called. They're black scaled 8ft tall lizardmen with daemon weapons with the souls of daemon hunters inside.
That's right. Damn, I wish he was cannon.
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Post by: Kasrkai
Urien_Rakarth wrote:OK, I liked Sker, as it sounds evil enough, but Aikar sounds too noble and good to me. I also got Grimur. Earlier, I saw Archaon, and whilst this is probably something taken, I like the sound, as it has an ancient ring to it.
What you said about the greater Daemons, I understand the age idea, but I just can't really see that happening, but maybe if it was constantly in a position that acted on everyone's fear, that might be good. Maybe the some of the moderate daemons could be constantly changing age, whilst the others could be shifting on peoples fears?
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Aetox maybe?
Khorne = Corn.
...
I had this idea earlier, from a dream actually. How about some kind of hour glass with sand that forms peoples worst fears? Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, what kind of colors? When I think of time, I think dark teal and similar hues.
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Post by: FlammingGaunt
Well in my Dark Heresy campaign I had my players fight a daemon called "darkness" he was based off of pride from full metal alchemist but without the kid. And that's why they now carry flashlights like scared children camping.
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Post by: Urien_Rakarth
I had this idea earlier, from a dream actually. How about some kind of hour glass with sand that forms peoples worst fears?
I think this would maybe be an awesome Psychic power, or weapon for the greater Daemon
Also, what kind of colors? When I think of time, I think dark teal and similar hues.
I was thinking more grey and gold, like the CSM from earlier.
P.S. You'll laugh at this  What colour is teal?
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Post by: iproxtaco
thermatic wrote:its funny how every one views nurgle as decay and death when he isent. Read the daemon codex and army book and you find out he treats his daemons like children and the diseases as gifts. Nurgle while yes the god of diseases, he is also the god of joy and people living their life ( not to be confused with pleasures of life). Read the beasts of nurgle and you find that they try and find "play things" and lavish effection on them.
As for malak, he is still around to some people as he is anarchy and the fear of oppression. Their wont be another chaos god because the way i see it after what malak did in the early days they wouldent risk having someone as powerful as all four of them.
Nurgle IS the god of decay, always has been. When Nurgle is described in books and codices, it nearly always states he's the god of disease and decay. Nurgle is in no way a god of joy. No Chaos God has any other part of them, a good side. Bad emotions are more prevalent, hence why all Chaos Gods are Gods of anger, hate, decadence, scheming and decay, negative emotions. If another Chaos God were to form, the other four couldn't do a thing about it. Khorne, Nurgle and Tzeentch had been around for a good while when Slannesh formed during the Eldar Fall. Automatically Appended Next Post: thermatic wrote:Urien_Rakarth races can live with out the chaos gods,Tau for example have no soul thus no ties to the warp and that means they cant influence the gods or create daemons. If no chaos gods existed than anything with a soul or connection to psychic powers wouldent exist.
gingers would be fine tho we dont have souls
Tau do have souls. They have a very small or no presence in the Warp, so cannot be corrupted in mind, cannot worship or be affected by the powers of the warp in spirit. If a group of Tau were to become trapped in the EOT, they would mutate in body, their mind would just have to watch, completely free of Chaos taint as its body changes. I don't understand, if no Chaos Gods existed, sentient races with a soul wouldn't be able to use psychic powers? Using the powers of the Warp does not rely on the presence of the Chaos Gods. How are Imperial psykers able to use theres if they don't worship them?
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Post by: FlammingGaunt
sorta like orks except not inertly psychic
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Post by: dagsta2
god of happiness ?
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Post by: TheCyben
I'm really liking the idea of a god of fear and death - if we consider Nurgle as a god of LIFE rather than death beacuse decay and rot are caused by living viri and bacteria etc...
If time and time manipulation are his fortes then go ahead and call him Cronos... or if the terror aspect is your thing then you've got all kinds of options.
PLUS a god of death, terror and time has all the undead from WHFB for modeling options. As the nightbringer has the whole grim reaper costume as his thing already, greater Daemons of (insert name here) could manifest as the even older conception of death - a cadaverous and beautiful woman with a sickle (not a scythe) and an hourglass. Lesser daemons as wraiths (those floating robes, or ring wraiths from LOTR), fit some kind of dragon/hyrda in the beast slot (where bloodcrushers and beasts of nurgle go), and imagine the awesomeness of tomb kings conversion scorpions and death-cobra things with guns!
Why did not traitor legions follow this god? They k new no fear, right? But all psykers, even the GKs and Inquisition, know that this god is waiting for them when they finally succumb... sneaking up on them like old age itself!
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Post by: FlammingGaunt
Well I suppose Ynnead could fill the slot, he is thew god of Death just still being formed. Getting ready to murder Slaanesh.
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Post by: Maniac_nmt
Mr Nobody wrote:Henners91 wrote:
Conformity is a lack of emotion, there's nothing for a warp entity to feed off of.
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Not so. Conformity is a very strong emotion, the emotional need to fit in, be a part of something.
I once had a Chinese friend tell me in China the desire for conformity and stability was felt as greater then the need for personal freedom. I don't know how true that is, but in the 40k universe it's certainly very true. It's virtually the Imperial credo.
We all suffer from a need to conform, to fit in. Even the greatest non-conformists suffer from it in some way (ever wonder how the disaffected grunge generation, to borrow a term, tends to listen to the same music, wear the same clothes, or go for the same haircuts. As an example is it really non-conformist to get a tatoo, dye your hair, or have piercings? Aren't you really just conforming to a perceived conception of non-conformance?).
Conformity is definitely not a lack or emotion. It is a fundamental thing in human nature.
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Post by: DarthLakey
I love this idea. I like the idea of a chaos god of fear, time etc.
No, I think omething like a highly converted nightbringer for a greater daemon, and the woman with sickle for a herald. Discuss.
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Post by: Psienesis
Eh, I think the problem with using Time as a portfolio for a Chaos God is that Time... isn't Chaotic. It's a standardized, measured passage of a living being's perception of the events in its life occurring in what appears to be chronological order.
In Wh40k, people with the means (or circumstances) live to incredible ages because they spend a lot of time traveling through the Warp from one destination to another, in addition to medical miracles like rejuvenat and so on. While they may spend six months, a year, whatever in transit, time in the rest of the galaxy passes by at different rates (other than the concept of "meta-time") but that person does not age for however long they spend in the Warp. A Rogue Trader might see three centuries, all told, from the day of his birth to the current date, but since so much of his life is spent in warp transit, he's not *actually* 300 years old... his time spent in the Warp doesn't count, since time does not pass there.
I'm sure there's a better way to explain the concept, but I'm lacking the eloquence to figure it out. Basically, I think that the concept of time, or the human belief in its passage, is a rather alien thing to creatures of the Warp, as time does not pass for them in the sense we mean in this discussion.
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Also I think aging is part of Nurgle's domain. What is aging other than slow decay? It's our body's inability to compensate any longer. at least that's how its been explained to me...
But I'm loving the ideas you guys are coming up with.
As for one of the previous posts saying that Chaos gods have no good aspects that is very much _not_ true. They're just not as prominent as in the grim darkness of the far future, those aspects don't see the light of day often. So while Slaanesh is lust and sensation, he's _all_ sensations. Good or bad. Nurgle is a god of life as well as death. he's the full circle of life. Tzeench is change, but not all change is bad. ect ect. But I would love to see a good chaos god. One who's bad @ssed like the others, but embodies more good things, while keeping with the whole package.
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Post by: TheCyben
Hmmm... a god who is good to the point of insane cruelty? Like the old (real old! I'm talking 2000ad comics old) Judge Death method of solving crime. kill the criminal, and his family, and everyone he's ever talked to, and everyone they've ever met...
In the end you get a crime free society. But it's a society of corpses.
So an overzealously good chaos god could cause more havoc than the others, really...
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Post by: Urien_Rakarth
Urien_Rakarth wrote:
I had this idea earlier, from a dream actually. How about some kind of hour glass with sand that forms peoples worst fears?
I think this would maybe be an awesome Psychic power, or weapon for the greater Daemon
Also, what kind of colors? When I think of time, I think dark teal and similar hues.
I was thinking more grey and gold, like the CSM from earlier.
P.S. You'll laugh at this What colour is teal?
I asked around, and tones of people agree with Tealy colours, so i'm all for it. We' de just have to be careful they're not to Alpha Legiony or Tzeenchy.
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Post by: htj
Teal!! Urgh, bleugh! Aw!! Just another good reason to wipe out the foul minions of Chaos.
Yuck.
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Post by: Urien_Rakarth
htj wrote:Teal!! Urgh, bleugh! Aw!! Just another good reason to wipe out the foul minions of Chaos.
Yuck.
Mate, we're here to discuss something, not have the mickey taken. If you want to post a comment, post it in a decent way. Otherwise, go find another thread to laugh at and get a life.
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Post by: htj
Urien_Rakarth wrote:Mate, we're here to discuss something, not have the mickey taken. If you want to post a comment, post it in a decent way. Otherwise, go find another thread to laugh at and get a life.
Sorry, didn't mean to cause offence. Wasn't taking the mick, just really dislike teal. On a serious note, I'd weigh in for grey and gold. It'd be more distinct from Tzeentch and Slaanesh and somehow speaks more of the domain of the proposed god to me.
Peace?
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Post by: Urien_Rakarth
sorry as well. Keep on topic, and originally, it was going to be Grey/Gold. I think we should put it up for vote, so you, myself, and a couple of users who have contributed can vote.
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These users should vote:
Urien_Rakarth
htj
Kasrkai
Mr.Nobody
DarknessEternal
Hawkward
Just majority will be the primary colours. Maybe we could combine them into one with black and teal primary and gold trims?
I'll keep a tally here:
Grey/Gold::1
Teal::::::::::
Mix::::::::::::1
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Post by: htj
I'll put my vote in for Grey and Gold.
Most of all, I like the colour difference from the pre-existing gods.
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Post by: FlammingGaunt
Should be kept darker colours as in theme with the exception of pink for slaanesh, but nobody wants baby blue CSM
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Post by: Urien_Rakarth
Playing around on the Bolter and Chainsword CSM painter, and came up with this for a combination of the colours:
Oh forget it, uploading is evil, so just check my gallery
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Post by: htj
Hmm, I don't know. It looks good, but it looks like a Slaanesh or Tzeentch colour scheme. S'your call in the end though.
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Post by: Urien_Rakarth
Well I was trying to encorporate both scemes, what's bad?
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Computer virus had me down.
Anyhow, teal wasn't the best word, I kept the gray, and later I had and Idea.
They could look like regular Space Marines, just with a sprinkle of heresy.
Finally: There can be great chaos from obsessive order, and conformity could be a part of his realm.
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WAIT! Gray and Gold would pay homage to Dakka Dakka, would it not?
Everybody loves a good reference.
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Post by: Mordoskul
This, I like. Teal it is!
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Post by: htj
Urien_Rakarth wrote:Well I was trying to encorporate both scemes, what's bad?
It just speaks of Tzeentch too much to me I think. Doesn't differ enough from the already existing Chaos gods.
I like the grey and teal there from Kasrkai there. Keeps a similar feel, but is unique enough to step away from the big four. Automatically Appended Next Post: Kasrkai wrote:WAIT! Gray and Gold would pay homage to Dakka Dakka, would it not?
Everybody loves a good reference.
Hmm, the god would have to be called 'Modd' or some such then.
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Post by: IronChaos
There's some unofficial fluff about Kaaleth, Fire God, which was created when Khârn became The Betrayer and was the cult for The Pyre legion. You can google it.
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Post by: Urien_Rakarth
Kasrkai wrote:Computer virus had me down.
Anyhow, teal wasn't the best word, I kept the gray, and later I had and Idea.
They could look like regular Space Marines, just with a sprinkle of heresy.
Finally: There can be great chaos from obsessive order, and conformity could be a part of his realm.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
WAIT! Gray and Gold would pay homage to Dakka Dakka, would it not?
Everybody loves a good reference.
I think they don't look evil enough, and to Imperial. I think its a good idea, but the colours should be darker and definitely in CSM traditional armour.
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Post by: Urien_Rakarth
the blue would need to be darker and greener...
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Post by: Mustela
There are seven chaos gods. The big four plus:
Malal: Chaos god of hating chaos gods.
Necoho: Chaos god of aethism/ unbelief
Zuvassin(spelled wrong?): Chaos god of chaos.
There could be infinite chaos gods, but it's unlikely GW will do that.
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Post by: Kasrkai
One computer wipe later:
Okay, not so imperial, but if the teal was more blue it would seen icky and Nurgle-y.
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Post by: Urien_Rakarth
Sure. I came up with the idea of lots of black, with teal highlights, as so:
(see my last post)
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Post by: Kasrkai
Urien_Rakarth wrote:Sure. I came up with the idea of lots of black, with teal highlights, as so:
Broken...?
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Post by: Urien_Rakarth
Broken...?
What do ya mean?
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Post by: Kasrkai
Urien_Rakarth wrote:
Broken...?
What do ya mean?
Your image isn't showing. Just a broken link.
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Post by: Urien_Rakarth
Here:
(see attached)
It was abit different... but you get the idea!
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Post by: Kasrkai
I see.
What I was going for was something mysterious, but at the same time original and somewhat threatening.
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Post by: Urien_Rakarth
Personaly I like the black, but I think the teal should have been darker and less of it. Maybe there should be more grey/bronze?
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Post by: Kasrkai
I dunno. black is just so...
Expected. Time is predictable only in the fact that it flows.
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Post by: Nightwalker
They're are more Chaos Gods, just not big strong ones
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Post by: Cynick
FlammingGaunt wrote:Well I suppose Ynnead could fill the slot, he is thew god of Death just still being formed. Getting ready to murder Slaanesh.
I've always found it ironic how Slaanesh's domination of the Eldar will lead to his downfall.
I wonder if he knows.
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Post by: dancingcricket
So, I'm not getting something here. The chaos gods are representations of, or formed from, strong mental and/or emotional energies. The more the stronger the god. So, how is it that we have Nurgle? Khorne is understandable, violence and bloodshed, bloodlust and aggression, are very base and strong emotions. Tzeentch, knowledge, investigation, the search for what's out there, to understand ones world and whats in it, the drive to know, understandable. Slaanesh, the desire to feel good, and enough said since I'm at work, definitely a strong thing for most races. But I'm sick? A entity of emotions and mental processes about I don't feel good? Emotions about fears associated with being ill would be better suited to Tzeentch, fear of the unknown, and eventually knowledge concerning biology, plagues, and potential misuses. But compared to the others, it's just not as noteworthy. Next to the overwhelming rage and bloodlust of someone going berserk and trying to rip their foe to shreds, a strong desire to throw up just pales to insignificance.
Now, a god of death, I can see. One having fear as a domain. I can also see positive warp beings out there, love, hope, mother, even if they wouldn't fit in well with the whole grimdark thing. But if we don't have death, or loneliness and loss, I don't see how Nurgle qualifies to be up there.
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Post by: Murdock129
I did do something like this over at Miniwargaming.com:
http://www.miniwargaming.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=57880
Melkirth, chaos god of Resentment, Envy, Greed and Misery
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Post by: Hawkward
Nurgle is humanity's despair, and its reaction to that despair - the "power of life," as it were.
He's easily the most complex of the four, although that's probably more the result of conflicting fluff than anything. I'd rather he be purely powered by despair to contrast with Tzeentch's "hope" theme, but then again I'm not writing the fluff.
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Post by: Kasrkai
Nightwalker wrote:They're are more Chaos Gods, just not big strong ones
Established.
All righty then-
[NAME]
Time
Aging
Fear
Any other inputs?
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Post by: the color purple
Time, aging, and fear really are Nurgle's thing. He represents at its heart the fear that all humans have of the fact that everything ends. Nurgle being a happy and parental god in fluff doesn't contradict this, it just gives him more character. Followers of Nurgle happily embrace plague, decay, fear, and loss because they are afraid of what comes after. Nurgle basically offers power over time: by becoming infected, rotted walking corpses the followers of Nurgle prevent themselves from dying of sickness or age. They embrace and accept that everything falls to ruin.
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Post by: xXSir MontyXx
the color purple wrote:Time, aging, and fear really are Nurgle's thing. He represents at its heart the fear that all humans have of the fact that everything ends. Nurgle being a happy and parental god in fluff doesn't contradict this, it just gives him more character. Followers of Nurgle happily embrace plague, decay, fear, and loss because they are afraid of what comes after. Nurgle basically offers power over time: by becoming infected, rotted walking corpses the followers of Nurgle prevent themselves from dying of sickness or age. They embrace and accept that everything falls to ruin.
This is an excellent way of putting it, even the simplest follower of nurgle would stay alive for a very LONG time. They would see the ones they love age and die around them so things would begin to become more "care free".
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Post by: Urien_Rakarth
For the Name- AETOX
Pronouse I-A-Tox
Unless anyone has problems this is final-we need a name after 6 pages
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Post by: Kasrkai
Now we needs a symbol.
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Post by: Urien_Rakarth
Yeah. I was thinking an almost complete circle, to represent time, and a skull or summing in the midle to represent fear. I'm really bad at art, so won't draw this, but and one like this?
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Post by: Raulmichile
Mustela wrote:There are seven chaos gods. The big four plus:
Malal: Chaos god of hating chaos gods.
Necoho: Chaos god of aethism/ unbelief
Zuvassin(spelled wrong?): Chaos god of chaos.
There could be infinite chaos gods, but it's unlikely GW will do that.
Another two that weren't developed but were included in GW publicatoins were A'nsrl and Frazethar (or however it is written)
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Post by: LoneLictor
A new chaos god would probably be envy, hatred (which is partially taken by Khorne, but he mainly focuses on mad rage rather than grudges), and a false sense of self entitlement (I suppose some Tzeentch worshippers fit this one as well, but not enough of them for that to be a major part of Tzeentch's portfolio). His minions would be crazy egotistical people who focused on grudges and all the luxuries they believed they earned.
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Post by: Dark Apostle 666
I like the idea of a god of loneliness.
(Although that may be because I've been revising "of mice and men" for my english lit. exam, loneliness is a big theme in it.
For this proposed god of fear, you might draw some inspiration from the greek god Phobos, from whom stems the term "phobia".
God of cowardice maybe? I guess he'd always run away though...
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Post by: Viridian
Well there are 4 points for the major gods, but also they have 4 smaller ones so I guess if anything is dictated by the symbol of chaos there would be 4 minor gods that have a blend of the two siding major gods. Lets take Tez and Slaa Well maybe the minor god is a crazy warped seer obsessed with the pleasure of fate and knowing what would be most pleasing to him or something. I think if new chaos gods crop up it will be in these minor star's if anything other wise I don't see them messing up the symbol of chaos.
-Sincerely Viri
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Post by: im2randomghgh
Son 0f Dorn wrote:Quite the opposite. All of the worship and sacrifice to the emperor is creating something in the warp as well. Search Star Child on the lexicanum.
Star child also refers to the whole Illuminati in wh40k thing though...
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Post by: Transfixion
I think that there may be more creatures in the warp that could be seen as gods but i dont think they will ever be included in the game. Its hard to think of new ones that share godly powers with the four that exist at the moment because they have such broad range of things that are under their control, or shall we say expertise.
On another note if you want to create a godly creature go for C'tans. From all that i keep hearing about this new necron codex its going to alot more C'tans but they will not be used as special characters.. anyway im getting sidetracked..
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Post by: Urien_Rakarth
Dark Apostle 666 wrote:I like the idea of a god of loneliness.
(Although that may be because I've been revising "of mice and men" for my english lit. exam, loneliness is a big theme in it.
For this proposed god of fear, you might draw some inspiration from the greek god Phobos, from whom stems the term "phobia".
God of cowardice maybe? I guess he'd always run away though...
I was kind of thinking this for a bad fluffy Cron army. I wanted the Outsider, so came up with he's going so mad , insane and lonely in his prison it builds up warp energy until a fleet of custom warp Crons come and save him, and then they wreak havoc in the Milky Way for a while
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Post by: Urien_Rakarth
OK, so this is the profile so far. Speak up now or I will finalize this.
AETOX
Fear
Aging
Cruelty
Symbol (this isn't final, just a quick sketch I did on PowerPoint)
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Post by: Sothas
I don't think fear is technically covered, but Khorne and Nurgle do have it covred in their own little way. Aging isn't really an emotion, and if it's fear of aging/growing old/dying then Nurgle has that covered. Cruelty... Yeah, I got nothing on that.
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Post by: Urien_Rakarth
The aging is really the slow passing of time and the horror, dispair, and fear emotions ascossiated with it.
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Post by: haloreach4ever
I have a great idea, while i was reading this thread i was watching doctor who, and i remembered how i got so scared it gave me nightmares (when i was younger of course) so i think that nightmares would defiantly have some kind of link to a god of fear.
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Post by: Magtherion_Soulsaver
PURGE THE HERETICS!!!...and take their tacos, I say that star dragon of doom needs to wake up. Automatically Appended Next Post: Sothas wrote:I don't think fear is technically covered, but Khorne and Nurgle do have it covred in their own little way. Aging isn't really an emotion, and if it's fear of aging/growing old/dying then Nurgle has that covered. Cruelty... Yeah, I got nothing on that.
Cruelty sounds good, but in a way isn't that the domain of Slaanesh? Automatically Appended Next Post: haloreach4ever wrote:I have a great idea, while i was reading this thread i was watching doctor who, and i remembered how i got so scared it gave me nightmares (when i was younger of course) so i think that nightmares would defiantly have some kind of link to a god of fear.
good idea.
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Post by: The Grundel
Why a chaos god of fear? Is fear not associated with the big 4?
Why a chaos god of time? Wouldn't control of time make him more like god-god and not a god?
Aging is covered by nurgle.
Are the 4 chaos gods not cruel? When slaanesh grinds a worlds population into drugs is that not cruel enough?
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Post by: Urien_Rakarth
No, its not AFAIK. Time as its uncovered and a big source of Chaos and fear. How will I be when I'm older? Will we make it? etc etc. Oh well if its covered by Nurgle, anyway its not really. Yes of course they are cruel, but they don't cover it. Asuryan went to war, does that make him Khaine?
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Post by: Vulpes89
Ooooh, we could have a
God of suffering - something Akin to the cenobites in Hellraiser
God of misery
God of Trickery
God of Fear (a creature so powerful itll even cause space marines to feel fear. :O)
i dunno. what do you all think would make some cool chaos gods?
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Post by: haloreach4ever
Trickery is tzeetch
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Post by: Psienesis
Chaos Gods also don't care about time, since time, to them and their ilk, is a non-entity. Chaos Gods and Daemons do not view time as a line, as in they progress from the Now to the Future, but, instead, they exist in all times, simultaneously, and know the Present, the Past and the Future... at least in general.
A Chaos God of Time is akin to Necoho, the Unbeliever... a Chaos God that doesn't believe in Gods.
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Post by: Urien_Rakarth
Ah yes, but that doesn't mean they can't manipulate it to their advantage. Most don't care, because it doesn't effect them, but if you had a deity of time and a reason for it to be feared, then yes it could work. Automatically Appended Next Post: Urien_Rakarth wrote:
Symbol (this isn't final, just a quick sketch I did on PowerPoint)
Can someone work and reply to this. *cough*Kasraki*cough*
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Post by: dakkawolf
I think the Chaos gods themselves, being 4, should remain as such, but that possibly for a limited time, an Anti-god should be brought into the Fluff, like a new army of Anti-Chaos but not imperials.
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Post by: bigmek35
I has idea on the sybole give me a sec I also came up with the god of the abyss EDIT: hers the god of time and fear symbole i've come up with 
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Post by: Urien_Rakarth
hmmm... Its abit complex, but I like the idea. Don't like the clock though, just makes it look silly.
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Post by: Void__Dragon
Urien_Rakarth wrote:So couldn't there eventually, if things stay the way they are, be a Chaos god of Misery forming?
There kind of already is one.
His name is Nurgle, god of Despair.
Yeah, lol.
Also, there are many Chaos Gods besides the big four. Like Malal, who was already mentioned.
And of course Necoho, god of Atheism (No really).
Edit: Whoa... Like I did not even notice this thread had seven pages. Unless it filled up while I typed this post up, which seems insane and improbable.
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Post by: dakkawolf
Seeing that GW never advances the time line of WH40k beyond this endless state of failbaddon spamming the imperium over the Emperor's forums, and orks constantly not joining up for a super-bowl party on the moon... i doubt there is any room for a new chaos god tbh *sad face*
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Post by: forruner_mercy
For the God of Time (immortality), an infinite sign would go well with that.
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Post by: Urien_Rakarth
I declare this most awesome thread reopened! Please reply, so we can get going again. Here is our work so far:
Name: Aetox
Attributes:
Fear
Aging
Cruelty
Time
Symbol (not final!):
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Post by: English Assassin
Fear of change and of aging are very definitely Nurgle's territory.
It's worth pointing out that there's a very good reason that there are only four Chaos Gods, which is that GW based them on the four Classical humours. (Choleric=Khorne, Sanguine=Slannesh, Phegmatic=Nurgle, Melancholic=Tzeentch.)
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Post by: Buttons
bigmek35 wrote:I has idea on the sybole give me a sec I also came up with the god of the abyss EDIT: hers the god of time and fear symbole i've come up with
Just have something like the infinite symbol, perhaps make some kind of modification. The clock is too cliche. Edit: For the posterboy chapter/legion (eg. Khorne has the World Eaters, Slaanesh has the Emperor's Children) that follows this god, why did they follow it? I was thinking something involving a geneseed flaw. Perhaps due to some horriffic flaw the marines aged as quickly as a normal human meaning that living beyond 100 was a challenge for the marines in a chapter, and living to 300 or 400 is outright impossible. In order to deal with the flaw they made a deal whereby the marines are made immortal in return for their service. Their boost could be an invulnverable save (turning back time for short bursts/contractual immortality preventing them from dying), and perhaps some sort of ID weapons (when the blades cut the enemy they cause them to begin to age thousands of years in a few seconds turning their enemies into dust) for their cult troops (like their equivalent to noise marine's noise weapons). I assume the weapons won't also be power weapons since that will be OP. Their preferred target would probably be stuff like HQs without eternal warrior, enemies with power weapons (they get invul saves), and multi-wound non-character models (like Ogryn, Nobz, and Tyranid Warriors). Perhaps if we want to take a slightly tragic lean on it we can have many of the older marines who were the first to pledge allegiance to the god having grown tired of life and simply longing for the eternal rest of death.
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Post by: Urien_Rakarth
What about a sort of infinity simbol that twists into a skull... That might look good.
+1 about the clock
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Post by: Buttons
Urien_Rakarth wrote:What about a sort of infinity simbol that twists into a skull... That might look good.
+1 about the clock
Maybe for the chapter iconography the skull is good, but if you look at the symbols for the gods they are relatively simple, they are more like the Mars or Venus symbol than a skull. I mean look at the Nurgle page on lexicanum and look at his symbol, it is three arrows and three circles, nothing more. They are relatively simple symbols, much like the Chaos undivided star, it is just a multi-pointed star, nothing too fancy. Perhaps we could use the infinity symbol and modify it slightly.
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Post by: Eighteen Wheeler
What if all the minor Chaos gods combined into one
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Post by: King Pariah
Urien_Rakarth wrote:I declare this most awesome thread reopened! Please reply, so we can get going again. Here is our work so far:
Name: Aetox
Attributes:
Fear
Aging
Cruelty
Time
Symbol (not final!):
I feel that fear ties in with Terror which Malice already covers
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Post by: Eighteen Wheeler
According to BL the emperor's death will hasten the birth of this new god. It will also create a second Eye of Terror that would cover the whole Imperium.
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Post by: Urien_Rakarth
Better keep the Emperor alive then lol.
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Post by: Eighteen Wheeler
Urien_Rakarth wrote:Better keep the Emperor alive then lol.
It'd be good to see the humies get what they deserve 
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Post by: CalgarsPimpHand
I hate to rain on people's parade, but assuming you are trying to make a 5th major god, the fear/time god being discussed is very much already covered (if you're talking about making a minor deity, go nuts, nothing's stopping you). But as a 5th god this is just stealing from the other gods.
The time concept seems to be two separate things:
Fear of aging/death
Desire for immortality, or manipulation of time to your advantage
Nurgle already most definitely covers aging and fear of death. Those are central to Nurgle's theme. Nurgle is the fear of disease and decay, the fear of the advance of time. He is also a fatherly figure who grants his followers immortality if they embrace the corruption and disease he brings. Misery and death drive Nurgle, and he grants his followers freedom from pain and the flow of time if they only embrace their demise.
Tzeentch and time are heavily intertwined. Tzeentch is all about seeing the strands of fate and manipulating them to your own ends. Plans within plans played out over longer timescales than mortals can fathom, casting your influence into the future.
So aging, time, and fear of death are certainly covered.
Fear in general, I would argue, is a sensation that would fall under Slaanesh's purview, and goes hand in hand with the kind of torture his/her followers love to inflict.
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Post by: LoneLictor
Here's what I suggest there should be new Gods on (though the new gods shouldn't be nearly as powerful as the main Four). They aren't quite as cool as the main Four, so they'd obviously have less followers and less influence. I think most of them shouldn't even have any options or stats in any future codexes, just mentions.
Sloth
-You'd mainly see followers who are slave owners and leeches and that sort of thing.
Fear
-Paranoid, mentally unstable nutjobs.
Madness
-Absolutely insane people with no way of distinguishing the real world from fantasy.
Destruction
-People with the desire/need for oblivion.
Boredom
-People who have absolute disinterest in the world around them.
Loyalty
-Kinda insecure people with a need to follow.
Surprise
-The people who are always stupidly caught off guard
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Post by: Eighteen Wheeler
How about willpower or greed for the 5th power
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Post by: LoneLictor
Eighteen Wheeler wrote:How about willpower or greed for the 5th power
Slaanesh and Tzeentch take up greed.
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Post by: Eighteen Wheeler
LoneLictor wrote:Slaanesh and Tzeentch take up greed.
How so
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Post by: DIDM
I follow the god of laughter and herbs
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Post by: LoneLictor
Eighteen Wheeler wrote:LoneLictor wrote:Slaanesh and Tzeentch take up greed.
How so
Slaanesh is God of Excess and desire for the material. Money is material.
Tzeentch is the God of Ambition and desire for power. Money is power.
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Is there anyone for willpower
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Post by: LoneLictor
Eighteen Wheeler wrote:Is there anyone for willpower
I don't know what you mean by willpower. If you mean determination and resistance, that's covered by Nurgle.
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Post by: Eighteen Wheeler
Malal is already the 5th god, like some mentioned earlier.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Malal#.T5k94u0sE21
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Post by: King Pariah
Malal is no longer with us due to copyright stuff and what not, but Malice (a minor chaos god) is with us
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Post by: Eighteen Wheeler
Well in that case Malal must be another name for Malice
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Post by: King Pariah
Not really, Malice looks like Malal, represents the same things as Malal, but isn't Malal. Malal doesn't exist anymore and that is final. Malice, however, does exist and represents the same things that Malal represented while not being Malal. Silly, I know, but GW did make a nice little choice in making Malice to appease those of us who loved the concept of Malal.
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Post by: Eighteen Wheeler
they could've been more inventive with the name instead of calling it just Malice. i mean, Khorne is called Khorne, not Rage.
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Post by: King Pariah
They could've, but I'm fine with it, Afterall, he's been summoned into the Materium. <evil cackling goes here>
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Post by: LoneLictor
I never understood what Malal was the God of. Can someone enlighten me?
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Post by: King Pariah
Malal is the Lost God, the Power of Chaos that represents Chaos' indiscriminate tendency toward destruction, even of itself.
Malal's powers come from the struggle of a single (relatively) powerless figure trying to fight a larger oppressor. Every slave that plots against his master, every worker that hates his boss, every peasant who looks with anger upon the places of the rich, every man who cries out to the uncaring gods about his placement in life feeds more power to Malal.
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Post by: English Assassin
Malal is the god of hipsters, for whom the four Chaos Gods are too mainstream.
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Then again, some of us are attracted to indiscriminate destruction.
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Post by: LoneLictor
King Pariah wrote:Malal is the Lost God, the Power of Chaos that represents Chaos' indiscriminate tendency toward destruction, even of itself.
Malal's powers come from the struggle of a single (relatively) powerless figure trying to fight a larger oppressor. Every slave that plots against his master, every worker that hates his boss, every peasant who looks with anger upon the places of the rich, every man who cries out to the uncaring gods about his placement in life feeds more power to Malal.
Wouldn't the want for more power be covered by Tzeentch? Or is Malal spite?
English Assassin wrote:Malal is the god of hipsters, for whom the four Chaos Gods are too mainstream.
Makes sense.
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Post by: King Pariah
It's spite, hate, loathing, not necessarily desire for more power. Also, he's known as the hierarch of anarchy and terror
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Post by: Eighteen Wheeler
are pride, envy, sloth, or gluttony taken?
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Post by: King Pariah
Envy I'm pretty sure is taken by Slaanesh and Pride, Khorne
Sloth Gluttony... I want to say Nurgle covers those... but that just might be because all his daemons seem to be a bunch of slow fatty mcfat fats
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Post by: Eighteen Wheeler
i don't think Slaanesh is envy, and Nurgle is just bloated because rotting causes corpses to swell. people seem to think the 4 powers cover a lot more than they do.
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Post by: Mike101
I have heard that the Emperor him self is to become a Chaos god upon his death
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Post by: Eighteen Wheeler
the emperor turning to Chaos? that'd be the ultimate slap in the face to the Imperium.
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Post by: Durza
Eighteen Wheeler wrote:are pride, envy, sloth, or gluttony taken?
Gluttony is very much Slaanesh's area of expertise, since it is over indulgence of food, or with regards to the seven sins, anything. Slaanesh being the god of excess puts it firmly in charge of that one.
Envy could be either Slaanesh's or Tzeentch's.
Pride is Khorne's, Slaanesh's or Tzeentch's.
Sloth is one I don't think is taken, but if there was a god for it, they wouldn't really be very powerful, would they?
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Post by: LoneLictor
Durza wrote:Eighteen Wheeler wrote:are pride, envy, sloth, or gluttony taken?
Gluttony is very much Slaanesh's area of expertise, since it is over indulgence of food, or with regards to the seven sins, anything. Slaanesh being the god of excess puts it firmly in charge of that one.
Envy could be either Slaanesh's or Tzeentch's.
Pride is Khorne's, Slaanesh's or Tzeentch's.
Sloth is one I don't think is taken, but if there was a god for it, they wouldn't really be very powerful, would they?
A God of Sloth would probably be the patron of slave owners, corrupt businessmen, leeches and that sorta thing.
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Post by: Durza
LoneLictor wrote:A God of Sloth would probably be the patron of slave owners, corrupt businessmen, leeches and that sorta thing.
But being the embodiment of sloth, they'd be torn apart in the Game. The only way they could survive would be if they were so massively powerful that the others had no hope of killing it, and since it had no motivation it just played the Great Game to pass the time rather than as the life or death matter it is to the other gods. But since the entire galaxy lives off war and schemes, that's not very likely.
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Post by: Eighteen Wheeler
the sloth god could be symbiotic, bonding to the other powers to survive.
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Post by: White Ninja
Well the eldar gods were very much real. So there are more then just the 4 gods of chaos. Its just that they are the really powerful ones right now. The warps isn't just chaos. Its just that chaos is overwhelming right now. So the god empra could very well be a god without being a chaos one.
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Post by: Urien_Rakarth
All true white ninja.
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Post by: Eighteen Wheeler
I'm surprised Slaanesh hasn't consumed the Star Child yet
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Post by: Buttons
Eighteen Wheeler wrote:are pride, envy, sloth, or gluttony taken?
Pride and gluttony definitely fall to Slaanesh, sloth and envy might. Pride actually falls to several Gods, Khorne gets martial pride, Slaanesh is probably more like an unwarranted pride (like human supremacy or Eldar supremacy), and Tzneetch is probably pride from what one has achieved off the battlefield or the simple want of pride, similar to wanting power.
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Post by: Eighteen Wheeler
well we're talking about unique characteristics, not ones that all the powers have in common. i think that people are making stuff up just to make this harder.
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Post by: Buttons
Eighteen Wheeler wrote:i think that people are making stuff up just to make this harder.
Not really, it is just that the Gods have pretty much everything covered. Slaanesh covers perfection, excess (too much of anything, so sloth and gluttony fall into this category), greed, lust, and pain. Khorne covers war, rage, violence, martial pride, and hate psykers. Tzeentch covers change, hope, plotting, ambition, and psychic powers. Nurgle covers rot, decay, disease, aging, hopelessness, stagnation, and mortality. Between the four of them they cover everything, and before you bring up fear, they all cover fear in some facet (except for maybe Khorne). Slaanesh covers fear of boredom, Tzeentch covers fear of stagnation, Nurgle covers fear of change, disease, and death, Khorne might cover fear in warfare, but that is pretty iffy. They aren't like polytheistic pantheons, where there is a goddess of fertility and beauty, and a god of war, and a king of the gods, and a god of the sea, and a god of lightning, each of them covers vast overlapping areas. Also, if you are confused about what areas they can cover you can always look at their domains, for example Slaanesh's domain has several rings, one covers gluttony, one covers greed, one covers carnal pleasures, etc.
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Post by: Eighteen Wheeler
Buttons wrote:Not really, it is just that the Gods have pretty much everything covered.
Well then what's the point of this thread
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Post by: Urien_Rakarth
Precicely EW. We're not creating this new god to perfectly comply, were doing it, like all threads should be, for a bit of fun. NOW POST SOME IDEAS!!!
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Post by: Eighteen Wheeler
got it
a Chaos god of treachery and betrayal
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Post by: Urien_Rakarth
Sorry mate, but that is definately covered by Slaanesh/Malal. What about the original idea of Fear/Time, and maybe we could use the betrayal idea to?
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Post by: Eighteen Wheeler
Screw it, I'm out
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Post by: LoneLictor
Urien_Rakarth wrote:Sorry mate, but that is definately covered by Slaanesh/Malal. What about the original idea of Fear/Time, and maybe we could use the betrayal idea to?
Fear/time is Nurgle.
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Post by: Urien_Rakarth
NO NO NO!!!!!!!!!! Fear definately not. Rotting/aging slight chance.
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Post by: LoneLictor
Urien_Rakarth wrote:NO NO NO!!!!!!!!!! Fear definately not. Rotting/aging slight chance.
Nurgle is the fear of death and the resulting drive to live as well as the inevitability of entropy.
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Post by: Omegus
Any Chaos deity powerful enough to approach sentience will probably be gobbled up by one of the Four. Humanity is so numerous at this point, that any other species except Orks can't produce enough psychic feedback to the warp to create a conscious entity powerful enough to stand up to the big dogs.
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Post by: Urien_Rakarth
Then how do greater daemons of undivided come into existence? What about Malal, or all those other ba$t@rds on page 3/4/5? Huh? Huh?
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Post by: King Pariah
Malice was actually kicked out of the Warp and has been summoned into physical existence so he's sorta out of the grasp of the big 4.
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Post by: Vampirate of Sartosa
On the subject of Sloth: One of Slaanesh's Fantasy spells is related to sloth.
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Post by: LoneLictor
Ya know, I just thought of something. Khorne may be the Big Lord of Anger, but there are other angry Daemons. He's just the god of anger because he's the strongest and the angriest. So, it'd be possible to have demigods that share the domains of the Main Four (Ambition, Self Preservation, Rage and Hedonism). Obviously they wouldn't be nearly as strong as the Big Four and would in fact spend most of their time trying to avoid being killed in the Great Game, but they could exist.
EXAMPLE: Kialidine is the Demigod of Revenge and Provoked Wrath. He is a recent addition to the pantheon of Chaos, having gained sentience a mere three hundred years ago. By taking up the domain of vengeance, he has intruded on rage, Khorne's domain, much to Khorne's rage. As of the moment Kiadlidine spends most of his time evading the Blood God and plotting his revenge. Several of his followers have summoned him to the material realm, where Khorne holds less influence.
Kiadlidine frequently goes by the moniker of the Serpent Marquis, based on his appearance and that of his Daemons. He is a writhing mass of snake heads, from the tiniest Corn Snakes to the largest Anacondas, all poised to strike at a moment's notice. The Serpent Marquis' Greater Daemons are viper headed elephantine creatures with poisonous barbs defending their bloated forms. His Lesser Daemons are not quite as impressive, materializing merely as scaly, rattlesnake headed porcupines.
The Serpent Marquis has expent most of his limited power by investing in a mortal Champion of the Black Legion known as Varitas. He has elevated Varitas to Daemon Princedom and bestowed him with a great warband of ever loyal Daemons and enslaved cultists. Kiadlidine prays that his Champion will spread his holy word and gain many followers, for if he fails Kiadlidine knows that only Khorne's axe awaits him.
Damn, I wrote a lot. I kinda really got into writing that. But you get the point.
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Post by: Urien_Rakarth
This is almost exactly what we're trying to do. Welcome to the real world. But if you look at your Daemon, you notice that eventually this could evolve, given time, into a whole new Chaos God. He could gain the power of something else, and before you know it Khorne's waiting for his axe. (or snaky barby thing) But we're doing a God of Time and fear at the minute. Hey, he could even start exactly like yours. Its how I imagine Slaanesh started, raw warp material, then a thought, then a daemon as excess became culture, then god as it consumed. Know you see. Know you have been 'enlightened'. Welcome.
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Post by: LoneLictor
Urien_Rakarth wrote:This is almost exactly what we're trying to do. Welcome to the real world. But if you look at your Daemon, you notice that eventually this could evolve, given time, into a whole new Chaos God. He could gain the power of something else, and before you know it Khorne's waiting for his axe. (or snaky barby thing) But we're doing a God of Time and fear at the minute. Hey, he could even start exactly like yours. Its how I imagine Slaanesh started, raw warp material, then a thought, then a daemon as excess became culture, then god as it consumed. Know you see. Know you have been 'enlightened'. Welcome.
Well I guess what makes yer God different from Nurgle (since time and death are pretty much exactly nurgle)? I mean Kialidine is focused on revenge, so at least he's distinguishable from Khorne.
EDIT: To clarify what I'm saying, I disagreed with your god because it was exactly like Nurgle. I still dislike your idea unless you find a way to distinguish him somehow.
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Post by: Urien_Rakarth
Fear mainly. It is definately not covered by any of the chaos gods. Time, as you say, might be related to nurgle, but then you might say rotting and decay are all states of change, so therefore Tzeench. Personally I think the original idea of fear and time were good, but then aging came along and made everything confusing. It also depends on the point of view of thre aging. If its fear of death and crippleness, then its not so much Nurgle, but if its decay and arthritis sort of things then yeah, it is Nurgle.
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Post by: LoneLictor
Urien_Rakarth wrote:Fear mainly. It is definately not covered by any of the chaos gods. Time, as you say, might be related to nurgle, but then you might say rotting and decay are all states of change, so therefore Tzeench. Personally I think the original idea of fear and time were good, but then aging came along and made everything confusing. It also depends on the point of view of thre aging. If its fear of death and crippleness, then its not so much Nurgle, but if its decay and arthritis sort of things then yeah, it is Nurgle.
Nurgle is the fear of death and the resulting drive to live. That's fear.
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Post by: Psienesis
As mentioned previously, Time is not a concept that the Powers of Chaos are really cognizant of, as they exist simultaneously at all times, and time does not pass in the Warp as it does in Realspace. It's a mortal concept, and not universal to even mortal races (the passage of time is of bigger concern to Man, for example, than it is to the Eldar, who live much, much longer lives).
I suppose you could have a Chaos God of the Planck Constant, but that really lacks the same vim as the other Great Four.
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Post by: Urien_Rakarth
No, I disagree, I don't think Nurgle is fear of death. Someone should Lexicanum it.
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Bugger, you are right. Nurgle is the fear of death and desease. Damn you. This isn't over. How about we then go for revenge/ time like you suggested. Awwww I did like that Fear idea.
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Could we have a tie in with the fear that what you thought you'd killed is coming back to get revenge?
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Post by: Psienesis
That sounds more like Zuvassin, the Undoer. You *thought* everything was going exactly according to plan, but then your murder victim rose out of his grave a revenant and proceeded to deliver the unholy beat-down.
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Post by: Urien_Rakarth
Who the f0@k is Zuvassin? Does he exist?
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Post by: Kovnik Obama
Fear of death is a pretty specific case of fear. Couldn't you have something like Zalgo, Chaos God of incoherent terror?
Also, I want a Chaos God of Transcendance. Tzeentch can stuff it with his perpetual change.
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Post by: Psienesis
Urien_Rakarth wrote:Who the f0@k is Zuvassin? Does he exist?
One of the lesser Chaos Powers (like Malal) who, once upon a time, had an alliance with Necoho the Unbeliever (Chaos God of Atheism) that formed the Cult of the Ancient Allies, which gave rise to the Chaos Relic known as the Cleansing Fire of Zuvassin. This device, basically a giant kettle, could burn the taint of Chaos out of anything placed in it.
The item so purified might even, in rare cases, survive.
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Post by: Urien_Rakarth
Ha ha ha. Depresssingly enough, sounds like the thing an Inquisitor/GK wouldn't bother with when they Exterminatus a world...:(
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Post by: English Assassin
Urien_Rakarth wrote:No, I disagree, I don't think Nurgle is fear of death. Someone should Lexicanum it.
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Bugger, you are right. Nurgle is the fear of death and desease. Damn you. This isn't over. How about we then go for revenge/ time like you suggested. Awwww I did like that Fear idea.
Given that this thread has already been uncritically exhuming Warhammer Fantasy material from two decades ago (Malal, Zuvassin, Necoho - whose epithet, by the way, is "the Doubter" not "the Unbeliever"), I may as well point out that revenge is already the province of another god: Solkan the Avenger.
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Post by: Psienesis
That's the thing with fiction, it's all been done before. You're just slapping a new coat of paint on a model that's been painted dozens of times already. You might, if you're very clever and creative, might not use the same colors that someone else before you has used, but that's really unlikely.
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Post by: King Pariah
How about this, instead of the rotting decay that Nurgle seems to favor, how about the withering slow decay? Like people dying of old age, of AIDS, how their bodies wither and weaken.
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Post by: Psienesis
Still Nurgle.
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Post by: King Pariah
I know it's still Nurgle, I'm suggesting a God who covers a specific aspect similar to Kialidine the Demigod of Revenge and Provoked Wrath who treads into the realm of Khorne but really covers only a specific aspect.
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Post by: LoneLictor
King Pariah wrote:I know it's still Nurgle, I'm suggesting a God who covers a specific aspect similar to Kialidine the Demigod of Revenge and Provoked Wrath who treads into the realm of Khorne but really covers only a specific aspect.
I guess, but slow decay isn't too different from decay. It still work if pulled off well enough.
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Post by: Urien_Rakarth
I sitll like the idea of something like fear or revenge, something the others haven't got covevered.
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Post by: LooT
What about a God of undeath? Its not quite Nurgle (because thats a wish for living). But there are a tonne of necromancers going out there, and their antics and thrill sfrom summoning the dead would have formed a weaker God of sorts, surely?
And also, what of a God of animals, made of primal emotions that they exude. A baseless animal god worshipped by the most primitive of the Chaos kin, who's daemons are ravenous beasts?
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Post by: Psienesis
Animals don't have souls. They're not capable of the act of worship. Such a Chaos God would be, at the utmost, a mid-range daemon. Not a lesser, but a far, far cry from even a Bloodthirster or a Lord of Change.
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Post by: Urien_Rakarth
Yes, I'm afraid a god of animals just wouldn't work. As for undeath, Nurgle covers Death, and in Horus Rising he reanimates these corpses, so sorry mate.
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Post by: King Pariah
God of debts, the repo god
everytime someone makes a deal with one of the four, is blessed by one of the four, he keeps tally of what was given and what is due of that individual/warband/etc. to whichever god they have been blessed by. If the individual(s) falls short of what they owe or a god becomes dissatisfied with the individual(s), he comes in a reaps back both the power(s) given and the soul(s).
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Post by: LoneLictor
King Pariah wrote:God of debts, the repo god
everytime someone makes a deal with one of the four, is blessed by one of the four, he keeps tally of what was given and what is due of that individual/warband/etc. to whichever god they have been blessed by. If the individual(s) falls short of what they owe or a god becomes dissatisfied with the individual(s), he comes in a reaps back both the power(s) given and the soul(s).
Seems too lawful/ordered. Chaos is supposed to be about impulse and emotion, rather than laws and restrictions.
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Post by: King Pariah
Nurgle has Epidemius keeping track of plagues and what not, so, why not?
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Out of chaos, comes order.
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Post by: LoneLictor
King Pariah wrote:Nurgle has Epidemius keeping track of plagues and what not, so, why not?
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Out of chaos, comes order.
Keeping track of plagues is not the same thing as imposing regulations and rules.
And your second sentence doesn't make sense.
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Post by: King Pariah
He's not imposing regulations or rules, just reaping back (with interest) from those who fall from grace/favor from the gods/a god.
The second sentence is a quote.
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Post by: ChaosForged
Well, a Chaos god of Madness, maybe?
I mean, seriously, the original Four Gods are chaotic and all, but they a nowhere near being really insane. More then that, they actually are pretty consistent at what they do.
Khorne kills stuff and writes his craniology dissertation, Nurgle stagnates all day long, Tzeench has a Plan for everythig (aimless Plan it may be, and everchanging, but he still follows it), Slaanesh is the biggest sybarite in the universe and s/he likes it.
No one expects them to act otherwise, nor will they act otherwise.
Now the Crazy God is another matter entirely, for he is inconsistense incarnate. He is the patron of mad and insane, of those who commit their atrocities(or something else) without any clear purpose, only becouse they feel whimsy about it.
Alas, i do not belive there can actually be a cult of such God, for a cult demands an organisation of some sort, and here we have an obvious problem.
P.S. Maybe it was already proposed, 9 pages - a lot of letters to read, so i might have missed it =).
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Post by: LoneLictor
King Pariah wrote:He's not imposing regulations or rules, just reaping back (with interest) from those who fall from grace/favor from the gods/a god.
The second sentence is a quote.
He'd be enforcing the law and punishing those who broke it. That makes him a force of order.
@ChaosForged
That could work.
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Post by: King Pariah
Yeah, and order sprung from chaos, they may be opposites, but order was born from chaos (Not Chaos mind you).
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I do like the god of madness and insanity though, kudos!
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Post by: LoneLictor
King Pariah wrote:Yeah, and order sprung from chaos, they may be opposites, but order was born from chaos (Not Chaos mind you).
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I do like the god of madness and insanity though, kudos!
Yeah, but order and chaos aren't on the same team. A force of order can't be a Chaos God. That's what I'm trying to explain.
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Post by: King Pariah
Why Not? Makes as much sense as having a God of Atheism/Nihilism
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Post by: theonetruedonut
King Pariah wrote:
I do like the god of madness and insanity though, kudos!
Chaos God of Insanity you say? Hm........
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Cheese! Cheese for everybody!
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Post by: LoneLictor
King Pariah wrote:Why Not? Makes as much sense as having a God of Atheism/Nihilism
You realize that Games Workshop got rid of that god because it was stupid? And that it was never included in 40k?
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Post by: King Pariah
And they brought him back indirectly. Malice covers it
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Post by: LoneLictor
King Pariah wrote:And they brought him back indirectly. Malice covers it
I looked this up and it turns out they did. Well, that's a crying shame. I guess if you want you can have yer Chaos God of Order. GW set the bar low enough for that.
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Post by: King Pariah
Bwahahahaha!!!! (I don't actually want him, I just wanted a little fun, Thanks! )
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Post by: Psienesis
Malal became Malice.
Necoho was never Malal.
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Post by: King Pariah
Psienesis wrote:Malal became Malice.
Necoho was never Malal.
Malal was the God of Nihilism, Anarchy, and Vengeance before Necoho was the God of Nihilism.
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Post by: Urien_Rakarth
I like Madness alot!!!!!!!
Of course you can always add in the causes of the madness, ie. FEAR, sickness, TIME etc...
Maybe I'll get my Fear god after all...
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Post by: Psienesis
Malal was the God of Nihilism, Anarchy, and Vengeance before Necoho was the God of Nihilism
Necoho was never the god of Nihilism. Necoho was the Atheist God.
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Post by: King Pariah
True, my bad, but religious nihilism is a form of atheism (There is no god nor purpose whereas a simple atheist may believe in purpose still exists)
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Post by: CthuluIsSpy
LoneLictor wrote:Ya know, I just thought of something. Khorne may be the Big Lord of Anger, but there are other angry Daemons. He's just the god of anger because he's the strongest and the angriest. So, it'd be possible to have demigods that share the domains of the Main Four (Ambition, Self Preservation, Rage and Hedonism). Obviously they wouldn't be nearly as strong as the Big Four and would in fact spend most of their time trying to avoid being killed in the Great Game, but they could exist.
EXAMPLE: Kialidine is the Demigod of Revenge and Provoked Wrath. He is a recent addition to the pantheon of Chaos, having gained sentience a mere three hundred years ago. By taking up the domain of vengeance, he has intruded on rage, Khorne's domain, much to Khorne's rage. As of the moment Kiadlidine spends most of his time evading the Blood God and plotting his revenge. Several of his followers have summoned him to the material realm, where Khorne holds less influence.
Kiadlidine frequently goes by the moniker of the Serpent Marquis, based on his appearance and that of his Daemons. He is a writhing mass of snake heads, from the tiniest Corn Snakes to the largest Anacondas, all poised to strike at a moment's notice. The Serpent Marquis' Greater Daemons are viper headed elephantine creatures with poisonous barbs defending their bloated forms. His Lesser Daemons are not quite as impressive, materializing merely as scaly, rattlesnake headed porcupines.
The Serpent Marquis has expent most of his limited power by investing in a mortal Champion of the Black Legion known as Varitas. He has elevated Varitas to Daemon Princedom and bestowed him with a great warband of ever loyal Daemons and enslaved cultists. Kiadlidine prays that his Champion will spread his holy word and gain many followers, for if he fails Kiadlidine knows that only Khorne's axe awaits him.
Damn, I wrote a lot. I kinda really got into writing that. But you get the point.
Wow, that's pretty neat.
Did you just make it up, or did you take it from somewhere? Automatically Appended Next Post: theonetruedonut wrote:King Pariah wrote:
I do like the god of madness and insanity though, kudos!
Chaos God of Insanity you say? Hm........
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Cheese! Cheese for everybody!
"You may call me Anne-Marie...if you are partial to having your intenstines skip roped over by an angry god! No? Then my name is Sheogorath. Charmed"
I fething love that guy...
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Post by: Urien_Rakarth
Spelt Cegorash if you mean the Eldar Laughing God. +1 I love him to 
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Post by: Psienesis
Sheogorath is the Daedric Prince of Madness from the Elder Scrolls series of games.
True, my bad, but religious nihilism is a form of atheism (There is no god nor purpose whereas a simple atheist may believe in purpose still exists)
Ehm... not really. You can have an incredibly complex arrangement of gods and planar cosmology and still believe that there is no ultimate point or plan to any thing, and no matter what you do in life, it leads to no great effect or end, and matters nothing at all, in the end.
You can also have absolutely no belief in higher powers, an afterlife, karma or anything of the sort, and feel that you owe it to the rest of your species to not go around being a feth-wit, and doing your best to leave the world and society in better shape than you found it, simply because it's the best thing to do for humanity as a whole.
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Post by: LoneLictor
CthuluIsSpy wrote:LoneLictor wrote:Ya know, I just thought of something. Khorne may be the Big Lord of Anger, but there are other angry Daemons. He's just the god of anger because he's the strongest and the angriest. So, it'd be possible to have demigods that share the domains of the Main Four (Ambition, Self Preservation, Rage and Hedonism). Obviously they wouldn't be nearly as strong as the Big Four and would in fact spend most of their time trying to avoid being killed in the Great Game, but they could exist.
EXAMPLE: Kialidine is the Demigod of Revenge and Provoked Wrath. He is a recent addition to the pantheon of Chaos, having gained sentience a mere three hundred years ago. By taking up the domain of vengeance, he has intruded on rage, Khorne's domain, much to Khorne's rage. As of the moment Kiadlidine spends most of his time evading the Blood God and plotting his revenge. Several of his followers have summoned him to the material realm, where Khorne holds less influence.
Kiadlidine frequently goes by the moniker of the Serpent Marquis, based on his appearance and that of his Daemons. He is a writhing mass of snake heads, from the tiniest Corn Snakes to the largest Anacondas, all poised to strike at a moment's notice. The Serpent Marquis' Greater Daemons are viper headed elephantine creatures with poisonous barbs defending their bloated forms. His Lesser Daemons are not quite as impressive, materializing merely as scaly, rattlesnake headed porcupines.
The Serpent Marquis has expent most of his limited power by investing in a mortal Champion of the Black Legion known as Varitas. He has elevated Varitas to Daemon Princedom and bestowed him with a great warband of ever loyal Daemons and enslaved cultists. Kiadlidine prays that his Champion will spread his holy word and gain many followers, for if he fails Kiadlidine knows that only Khorne's axe awaits him.
Damn, I wrote a lot. I kinda really got into writing that. But you get the point.
Wow, that's pretty neat.
Did you just make it up, or did you take it from somewhere?
I made dat up. Thank you for the comment.
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Post by: King Pariah
Nihilism pretty much equates everything = pointless, worthless, purposeless, nothing. Hence Gods are brought down to the same level of man, which is on the same level as dirt, which is on the same level as a single photon, etc. In other words, the gods are just as worthless, pointless, as us. They are nothing just like us. Bring a god down to your level or the level of nothingness and purposeless, it's no longer a "god."
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Post by: Psienesis
This is... not really the place for that kind of discussion, though there are real-world historical examples of advanced civilizations having gods and such, but everything mankind did being utterly meaningless in the grand scheme of things. Sumeria, for one,
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Post by: Urien_Rakarth
Psienesis@ Thought you meant Cegorash lol Automatically Appended Next Post: Back to the discussion- God of Madness then?
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