OK simple question which world is more dangerous to live on Carachan or Fenris ? If anybody knows a death wolrd they consider more dangerous than either of them please tell us about it.

There was a brief mention, just where evades me now but back around the late 90s, of a death world so utterly vicious and mean in terms of flora and fauna, that the hive fleet that tried to eat it gave up eventually and went around it.

Can't remember where it was written up but I definitely read it.

Out of those 2...
If you're attacking it probably Fenris but if you simply live their then probably Catachan...
Though both have proved how hard it can be to live or attack either of them.

Why would you want to live in a deathworld.

The clue is in the name...

seejay wrote:Why would you want to live in a deathworld.

The clue is in the name...

Punishment...
Accident...
In hiding...
A few decent reason methinks...

Do any SM Chapters recruit from Catachan?

purplefood wrote:Out of those 2...
If you're attacking it probably Fenris but if you simply live their then probably Catachan...

Fenris has only 1 stable area of landmass and it's forbidden for the planets normal populous to live there. The temperature on Fenris can kill you quicker then the Temperature on Catachan can. Fenris is home to the greatest predator in the galaxy (the wolves not the marines). And Fenris has fauna that can swallow an entire longboat if not an island.

I'd say Fenris is more dangerous to live on. Catachan may have deadly Flora and Fauna but at least it's warm and the land you live on won't sink into the sea.

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:

purplefood wrote:Out of those 2...
If you're attacking it probably Fenris but if you simply live their then probably Catachan...

Fenris has only 1 stable area of landmass and it's forbidden for the planets normal populous to live there. The temperature on Fenris can kill you quicker then the Temperature on Catachan can. Fenris is home to the greatest predator in the galaxy (the wolves not the marines). And Fenris has fauna that can swallow an entire longboat if not an island.

I'd say Fenris is more dangerous to live on. Catachan may have deadly Flora and Fauna but at least it's warm and the land you live on won't sink into the sea.

Fair enough...
Catachan has probably got more poisonous things but Fenris has very few areas to actually live.
Oddly enough Deathworlds seem to be easier to defend than fortress worlds.

Henners91 wrote:Do any SM Chapters recruit from Catachan?

Not directly from the planet but I don't doubt that marines fighting alongside Catachan regiments have recruited a couple promising members over time. If they're young enough

I'd say Fenris is more dangerous to live on. Catachan may have deadly Flora and Fauna but at least it's warm and the land you live on won't sink into the sea.

Granted the temp. may be an issue, however, atleast in fenris you know the land isnt safe to land on.
Catachan has alot of bogged areas that are impossible to pass and at a glance look like normal ground.

Animal wise, your forgetting its not just evil plants.
Catachin is home to the catachin devils, which are pretty damn evil on thier own.
They are also the smaller of the 2 threats.
The larger of the 2 being the megasaur.
which in fluff has been described as launching battle tanks through the air when it goes on a rampage.

Not too hot on pup's fluff though, so not too sure on the wolves.

You have the:
Fenrisian wolf which is about the size of a man and infinately cunning
Thunderwolf which is about the size of a rhino (modern day animal not APC)
There are also a fair few others varying between cunning and sheer brute force.
Also Fenris goes through seasons like most planets except most planets' summer doesn't cause the oceans to boil and cause massive earthquakes and tsunamis.

... No-one brings up the Kracken? No-one?

Chowderhead wrote:... No-one brings up the Kracken? No-one?

I think Imbad did earlier...
Still worth mentioning again though...

Either are a piece of cake. Try surviving on Neptune, Mercury, or just the moon.

Hmm, wolves the size of a rhino or a giant lizard that towers over jungle canopies?


Also, ive missed something here, whats this about a kraken and where? :O

Catachan or Fenris ?
Necromunda have acid rains that can melt human body in mere seconds.
Krieg have such high level of radiation that you also melt there in a matter of seconds.
Or any world that was on Tyranid path...you can't even breathe there...
Now these worlds are death-worlds.

Jackal wrote:Hmm, wolves the size of a rhino or a giant lizard that towers over jungle canopies?


Also, ive missed something here, whats this about a kraken and where? :O

In the oceans of Fenris there are krakens which swallow longboats whole, so even if you think yourself clever to get off the land before your continent sinks in the spring, you can still get swallowed.

Fenris is extremely punishing and literally nowhere is safe. At least on Catachan, you could survive inside a bastion and it doesn't seem like they're split into tribes that are killing each other. On top of that, Catachans have modern technology to deal with their problems, Fenrisians have to kill all manner of nasty beasties with medieval weapons.

Brother Coa wrote:Catachan or Fenris ?
Necromunda have acid rains that can melt human body in mere seconds.
Krieg have such high level of radiation that you also melt there in a matter of seconds.
Or any world that was on Tyranid path...you can't even breathe there...
Now these worlds are death-worlds.

Yeah but on those worlds you have shelter and technology to survive.
On Fenris the most advanced the natives get is iron weapons.
@Jackal Fenris has Krakens... yeah the gigantic squid thingies...

Again, I'd proffer either Fenris or Catachan would be considered blessed. Most worlds can't support life...at all.

Those are justa little bit more tough than earth itself. Compare it to our own solar system and some of its niceties:

Venus and Mercury can melt lead.
Mars has no material atmosphere.

Troy wrote:Again, I'd proffer either Fenris or Catachan would be considered blessed. Most worlds can't support life...at all.

Those are justa little bit more tough than earth itself. Compare it to our own solar system and some of its niceties:

Venus and Mercury can melt lead.
Mars has no material atmosphere.

In 40k Mars is a forgeworld of epic proportions...
Venus and Mercury are probably as they are.
A Deathworld is a world that can sustain human life but is so damn dangerous it is impossible to support a sizable population without drastically changing the environment. e.g. Catachan and Fenris

what about the home worlf of the Iron Snakes chapter? Ithaka.

Big oceans, big fish (well sea wyrms), not much land?

Allot of great points have been brought up but there are no wolves on fenris so I don't think we can count them because they are not part of the worlds eco-system. Also it helps to look at the people who live on these worlds, unarmed and on open ground who would win a regular catachan or a regulr tribesman from fenris ?

Theres only one way to find out.......FIGHT!!!!

moonshine wrote:Allot of great points have been brought up but there are no wolves on fenris so I don't think we can count them because they are not part of the worlds eco-system. Also it helps to look at the people who live on these worlds, unarmed and on open ground who would win a regular catachan or a regulr tribesman from fenris ?

There are wolves on Fenris... that line was simply an author being a smartarse
Catachan get to use modern equipment and are ridiculously muscley whereas Fenrisian tribesman has faught for most of his life and is generally pretty deadly...
Catachan fellows methinks...

purplefood wrote:

moonshine wrote:Allot of great points have been brought up but there are no wolves on fenris so I don't think we can count them because they are not part of the worlds eco-system. Also it helps to look at the people who live on these worlds, unarmed and on open ground who would win a regular catachan or a regulr tribesman from fenris ?

There are wolves on Fenris... that line was simply an author being a smartarse
Catachan get to use modern equipment and are ridiculously muscley whereas Fenrisian tribesman has faught for most of his life and is generally pretty deadly...
Catachan fellows methinks...

Unarmed and on open ground? Fenrisian hands down. Catachans rely on the jungle as part of their weaponry. Plus I imagine that Fenrisians are stronger since they have to carry ridiculous amounts of heavy old weapons and armour, and would be adept at killing people in hand-to-hand.

Andilus Greatsword wrote:

purplefood wrote:

moonshine wrote:Allot of great points have been brought up but there are no wolves on fenris so I don't think we can count them because they are not part of the worlds eco-system. Also it helps to look at the people who live on these worlds, unarmed and on open ground who would win a regular catachan or a regulr tribesman from fenris ?

There are wolves on Fenris... that line was simply an author being a smartarse
Catachan get to use modern equipment and are ridiculously muscley whereas Fenrisian tribesman has faught for most of his life and is generally pretty deadly...
Catachan fellows methinks...

Unarmed and on open ground? Fenrisian hands down. Catachans rely on the jungle as part of their weaponry. Plus I imagine that Fenrisians are stronger since they have to carry ridiculous amounts of heavy old weapons and armour, and would be adept at killing people in hand-to-hand.

Leather and dragonskin probably isn't all that heavy...
Even their weapons are made from bone with metal if their tribe is wealthy.

moonshine wrote:Allot of great points have been brought up but there are no wolves on fenris so I don't think we can count them because they are not part of the worlds eco-system.

Ok seriously let's not have this turn into some debate about wether or not there are wolves on Fenris. I hated that thread with an insane passion. I don't care where they came from or what they originally where there ARE wolves on Fenris, and saying they aren't apart of the ecosystem is a load of bull (no offence). An ecosystem is a community of animals and plants, together with it's environment so even if the wolves aren't originally from Fenris they ARE apart of the ecosystem and so are included in the debate.

Sorry what I meant to say was they are not naturally part of the eco-system, even leman russ technicaly admited they are not natural in prospero burns but anyway that is not the point. Even though it is hard to build on Fenris, Catachan has corrosive vines and poison plants. Also think about it, Fenris is struggeling without technoldigy, Catachan is struggeling even though it has technolidgy. I think a catachn devil could kill a (wolf) from fenris, A catachan devil has the pottential to destroy a tank. Catachan also has the great barking toad

Jackal wrote:Hmm, wolves the size of a rhino or a giant lizard that towers over jungle canopies?

Hmm a pack of wolves that regularly hunt creatures the size of said Lizard.

Also, ive missed something here, whats this about a kraken and where? :O

It's believed that sometime in the distant past a Tyranid Hive Fleet invaded Fenris and failed but it left behind giant Octapus like creatures called Kraken. Also large enough to eat the above said Lizard.


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moonshine wrote:Sorry what I meant to say was they are not naturally part of the eco-system

Natural or not they're still apart of the eco-system, and if Wolves get voted out for not originally being from fenris then so does the Catachan devil because didn't older fluff have it being a left over from a Tyranid invasion?

Even though it is hard to build on Fenris, Catachan has corrosive vines and poison plants.

So Catachan is deadlier because it has venomous flora while Fenris is less deadly because the land is so unstable you're home is more likely to sink into the ground if you aren't killed first?

Also think about it, Fenris is struggeling without technoldigy, Catachan is struggeling even though it has technolidgy.

So whose tougher, the guys who survive incredibly harsh conditions with nothing but dragon hide ships and iron axes. Or the Guys who survive incredibly hard conditions through the use of advanced technology? hmmm

I think a catachn devil could kill a (wolf) from fenris, A catachan devil has the pottential to destroy a tank. Catachan also has the great barking toad

A IG seargent can kill 6 Catachan Devils and you think 1 Catachan Devil can kill an animal that bites the head clean off of Fenrisian Mammoths and Snow Trolls?

On Fenris you can at least build a settlemeny, it will falll into the ocean but you could build another. On Catachan it is hard to even build anything at all.

That was sergent Harker who killed 6 catachan devils, he is an exceptional Catachan not the average sergent.

Catachan has lots of more deadly creatures, it has many types of serpants including the Flying Swamp Mamba, the Coiling Death Cobra and the Catachan Black Viper, and are all deadly to most living beings. Some can kill in under 30 heartbeats.

What I am saying is life on fenris would be easier with thechnolidgy but on catachan it is NEEDED to survive

moonshine wrote:On Fenris you can at least build a settlemeny, it will falll into the ocean but you could build another. On Catachan it is hard to even build anything at all.

And where would you build another? on the land that's now sunken into the sea? or would you have to sail across a monster infested ocean in order to attack and take over another Island from a tribe that's going to fight you to the last man to defend there home. And I'm curious where the fluff says it's hard for Catachans to build settlements, especially since they have all this high tech gear.

That was sergent Harker who killed 6 catachan devils, he is an exceptional Catachan not the average sergent.

I'm aware of who it was since I had to read his page of the codex to find the number. But wether he is an exceptional Catachan or not he is a human being and if 1 human being can kill 6 Catachan Devils I highly doubt a Catachan Devil could kill a Fenrisian Wolf which bites the heads off of Fenrisian Mammoths (which is also larger then most tanks)

Catachan has lots of more deadly creatures, it has many types of serpants including the Flying Swamp Mamba, the Coiling Death Cobra and the Catachan Black Viper, and are all deadly to most living beings. Some can kill in under 30 heartbeats.

Under 30 heartbeats huh? wonder how many heartbeats it takes for a Fenrisian Sea Dragon to swallow you whole and move on to the next person on your ship.

What I am saying is life on fenris would be easier with thechnolidgy but on catachan it is NEEDED to survive

no it isn't. The Catachan only get that technology from the Imperium by raising regiments. So if the technology is NEEDED how come the people wern't wiped out prior to when the Imperium re-established contact with them and started giving them tech? oh yeah because it isn't NEEDED to survive and nothing says that it is, even the codex only says that the Catachans would have no way of getting it without the Imperium.

Ok, some of this is taken from previous editions

If ice is sinking it re amerges a few months later, you can find new ice.

Harker is an exceptional individual, he runs around with a heavy bolte, even marines have to stay staitionary.

Even though somthing on fenris can eat you, if the insects can kill under 30 heartbeats imagine what the bigger creatures will be like. A catachan devil could use chop up a Fenrisian (wolf) before it got close enough to bite it's head off.

Catachans need technolidgy, not off the Imperium, but they will find it somewhere. Catachan was setteled before the Impirium was founded so they already had all this stuff earlier. If it was not for technolidgy the first settelers would not have survived at all.

Oh and another point, on Fenris you can fish and stuff but on Catachan EVERYTHING tries to kill you

moonshine wrote:Ok, some of this is taken from previous editions

If ice is sinking it re amerges a few months later, you can find new ice.

Harker is an exceptional individual, he runs around with a heavy bolte, even marines have to stay staitionary.

Even though somthing on fenris can eat you, if the insects can kill under 30 heartbeats imagine what the bigger creatures will be like. A catachan devil could use chop up a Fenrisian (wolf) before it got close enough to bite it's head off.

Catachans need technolidgy, not off the Imperium, but they will find it somewhere. Catachan was setteled before the Impirium was founded so they already had all this stuff earlier. If it was not for technolidgy the first settelers would not have survived at all.

Oh and another point, on Fenris you can fish and stuff but on Catachan EVERYTHING tries to kill you

Dude this isn't ice... the islands are incredibly unstable and once they go the entire tribe has to move out or they die, one they find new land they have to fight for it.
The Sw don't give them technology because it makes them tougher.

Fenris,for the Viking way of life.

And the drinking!!!

purplefood: Oh ok I did not know that I allways assumed it was Ice for some reason

moonshine wrote:purplefood: Oh ok I did not know that I allways assumed it was Ice for some reason

Depends what the season is...
Each one lasts a very long time... like 30 years or something.
The 'Winter' freezes all the oceans
The 'Summer' boils the oceans, causes earthquakes and volcanos erupt.

moonshine wrote:Ok, some of this is taken from previous editions

If ice is sinking it re amerges a few months later, you can find new ice.

Except Fenrisians don't build there settlements on ice.

Harker is an exceptional individual, he runs around with a heavy bolte, even marines have to stay staitionary.

1. In game rules have no effect on fluff
2. Still dosen't change that he's just a human being

Even though somthing on fenris can eat you, if the insects can kill under 30 heartbeats imagine what the bigger creatures will be like. A catachan devil could use chop up a Fenrisian (wolf) before it got close enough to bite it's head off.

Since when is a snake an insect? And "if" that happened then it would have to deal with the rest of the pack.

Catachans need technolidgy, not off the Imperium, but they will find it somewhere. Catachan was setteled before the Impirium was founded so they already had all this stuff earlier. If it was not for technolidgy the first settelers would not have survived at all.

Provide a source and quote. Especially since what you said contradicts a direct statement from the codex, emphasis by me.

Imperial Guard Coded page 15 2nd paragraph last sentence wrote:Catachan warriors readily accept the call to arms and, in exhcange recieve supplies from the Imperium that would otherwise be impossible to obtain

Oh and another point, on Fenris you can fish and stuff but on Catachan EVERYTHING tries to kill you

And what fish can't kill people? I've been a fan of the Space Wolves for 10+ years and have read just about every peice of fluff about them and their homeworld and not once have I ever read of any creature on Fenris that coulden't kill a human. Having every example of fauna be a predator does not mean the wildlife is more dangerous. And as a note, the difficulty of living on a planet isn't determined just by its flora and fauna.

And just curious why did you make a thread asking which is harder to live on when it's pretty obvious you've got your heart set on Catachan?

Ok I started this thread to see who agrees and whilst reading the codex it said "Catachan is perhaps the most notorius and dangerous death world in the Imperium" and I instantly wondered how it would compare to other fenris, IIRC the space wolves codex says fenris is in the top three (or is it two) most dangerous worlds in the Imperium

On Catachan, everything alive tries to kill you.

On Fenris, everything alive tries to kill you.

The chief difference is that on Fenris, taking a stroll without a shirt -will- kill you.

Taking a stroll without a shirt will also kill you on Catachan

Actually taking a stroll with a shirt would probably kill you to


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moonshine wrote:Taking a stroll without a shirt will also kill you on Catachan

But not even close to being for the same reason, Catachan dosen't get so cold that all of its oceans freeze.

Most people couldn't last 5 seconds on Catachan. Fenris: most people could probably last 5 minutes.
Catachan has inumerable hellish, nightmare insects and diseases that will make you wish you're dead, which fortunately you soon will be.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Most people couldn't last 5 seconds on Catachan. Fenris: most people could probably last 5 minutes.
Catachan has inumerable hellish, nightmare insects and diseases that will make you wish you're dead, which fortunately you soon will be.

And this is based off of what? an off worlder trying to survive on the planet?

I'm still not eintirely sure that I want a part in this war, however I'm going to go with Fenris simply because
I know more about it from the Space Wolves Codex.

Codex Catachan Jungle Fighters makes it pretty clear how insane Catachan is. The Devil is the size of a train and is actually the least deadly thing on Catachan. The bugs are constantly trying to lie eggs in every orifice. Some of the plants are more deadly than anything on Fenris. They have DNA altering mutagenics and mind control abilties. Seriously not overexagerating when I say an offworlder usually only lives 5 minutes.

Yeah but still, Catachan Jungle fighters are a nasty regiment to be sure, but it just seems that Fenrisans are recruited by one of the most famed Adeptus Astrates chapters for a reason, that they are some of the toughest examples of humanity in the Galaxy.

If for the population that live there i got to go with the fenrisians becuse of the few places to live and they are barbarians. with little to no tek

Oriallis wrote:Yeah but still, Catachan Jungle fighters are a nasty regiment to be sure, but it just seems that Fenrisans are recruited by one of the most famed Adeptus Astrates chapters for a reason

That reason is because that chapter lives there.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Codex Catachan Jungle Fighters makes it pretty clear how insane Catachan is. The Devil is the size of a train and is actually the least deadly thing on Catachan. The bugs are constantly trying to lie eggs in every orifice. Some of the plants are more deadly than anything on Fenris. They have DNA altering mutagenics and mind control abilties. Seriously not overexagerating when I say an offworlder usually only lives 5 minutes.

Yes, you could probably survive longer on Fenris than you could if you were dropped onto Catachan, however I think that Fenris is the more dangerous deathworld. This is because you could burn Catachan down and you'd be fine, but Fenris itself will kill you no matter what you do, since you can't stop the planet from destroying itself in the season of fire.

Henners91 wrote:Do any SM Chapters recruit from Catachan?

no just the gaurd

Catachan

Fenris may have unstable land but on Catachan everything will work against you on purpose

Also thunder wolves though dangerous can still be tamed; no body has ever tamed a Catachan devil and plus Catachan guardsmen are so tough that they are good at what Guardsmen suck at (ex: close combat) and they can even beat orks at close combat and thats the only thing Orks are skilled at

Andilus Greatsword wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Codex Catachan Jungle Fighters makes it pretty clear how insane Catachan is. The Devil is the size of a train and is actually the least deadly thing on Catachan. The bugs are constantly trying to lie eggs in every orifice. Some of the plants are more deadly than anything on Fenris. They have DNA altering mutagenics and mind control abilties. Seriously not overexagerating when I say an offworlder usually only lives 5 minutes.

Yes, you could probably survive longer on Fenris than you could if you were dropped onto Catachan, however I think that Fenris is the more dangerous deathworld. This is because you could burn Catachan down and you'd be fine, but Fenris itself will kill you no matter what you do, since you can't stop the planet from destroying itself in the season of fire.

Catachan has no permanent settlements. They have a starport they can barely maintain. They do this by non-stop buring the Jungle down and even then they can only barely hold the line in an endless war against the green.
As for Space Marines no chapter would dare build anything on the planet because any "permanent" structures are actually consumed by the Jungle in a matter of days.

Andilus Greatsword wrote:This is because you could burn Catachan down and you'd be fine, but Fenris itself will kill you no matter what you do, since you can't stop the planet from destroying itself in the season of fire.

Did it ever occure to you that Jungle fighters on Catachan use flamers all the time without setting Catachan on fire, the plants are hard, it never actually sas it but the leaves are probably flame proof aswell

Troy wrote:Either are a piece of cake. Try surviving on Neptune, Mercury, or just the moon.

Those are terraformed lol.

Catachan, there are far more ways to die on Catachan then there are on Fenris. Almost every single organism, from bacteria to Catachan Devil is deadly.

I think of Fenris in the same vein as Nocturne.
Nocturne is no joke as far as death worlds go, almost every living thing that's not a giant monster dies every 15 years on Nocturne.

And as much as I love Fenrisian wolves, they have nothing on the Fire-Drake Salamanders of Nocturne... because they are just gigantic fire breathing Dragons.

Fenris has dragons, Kraken, trolls (which actually heal mid-battle) and they did have giants but i think they're all dead.

I don't think the average Imperial is even aware of Fenris' classification as a death world. Most people think its just a cold place were the Space Wolves are from. Indeed its death world classification is almost just a technicality. It's only its terrible tectonic activity that makes it a death world.

Whereas, Catachan is THE DEATH WORLD. Galaxy renowned for being the most deadly place in the imperium where people actually live.

I'll admit Catachan gets better publicity but i think Fenris would have a similar though less known reputation if the SW weren't there.

Fenris.

NagothDaCleaver wrote:Catachan, there are far more ways to die on Catachan then there are on Fenris. Almost every single organism, from bacteria to Catachan Devil is deadly.

Name one thing from Fenris that isn't deadly.

I think of Fenris in the same vein as Nocturne.
Nocturne is no joke as far as death worlds go, almost every living thing that's not a giant monster dies every 15 years on Nocturne.

And as much as I love Fenrisian wolves, they have nothing on the Fire-Drake Salamanders of Nocturne... because they are just gigantic fire breathing Dragons.

I don't see where this comes into play on the discussion since Nocturne isn't Catachan?

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:

Henners91 wrote:Do any SM Chapters recruit from Catachan?

Not directly from the planet but I don't doubt that marines fighting alongside Catachan regiments have recruited a couple promising members over time. If they're young enough

It would be very unlikely that any member of a Catachan regiment would be young enough.

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:

NagothDaCleaver wrote:Catachan, there are far more ways to die on Catachan then there are on Fenris. Almost every single organism, from bacteria to Catachan Devil is deadly.

Name one thing from Fenris that isn't deadly.

I think of Fenris in the same vein as Nocturne.
Nocturne is no joke as far as death worlds go, almost every living thing that's not a giant monster dies every 15 years on Nocturne.

And as much as I love Fenrisian wolves, they have nothing on the Fire-Drake Salamanders of Nocturne... because they are just gigantic fire breathing Dragons.

I don't see where this comes into play on the discussion since Nocturne isn't Catachan?

Ok on fenris the trees do not try and kill you (there are trees on fenris). On fenris not every fish can kill you either.

Nocturne is similar to Fenris in the sence that they both go through periods of time where the planet heatsd up. Btw I did ask for people to talk about other death worlds that are as/more deadly than either Fenris or Catachan

Yeah but those 2 are in the title...
Not many Deathworlds are... advertised...
False Hope in the Last Chancer's novel is pretty messed up...
The Flesh Tearers homeworld would have easily been classed a deathworld...

Yes but neither of them are as dangerous as Catachan or Fenris

Be fair most Deathworlds are soon tamed or ignored.
Catachan and Fenris are famous because they are held on to repeatedly.
They are dangerous in different ways but both are difficult to live on practically impossible.
Fenris is only habitable because of Asaheim and Catachan because of the technology they use.

Well it is possible to live on Fenris that is not part of Asahiem. I think an outsider would last longer on Fenris than Catachan

To be honest, kraken or not, you see something that size comming, you just cant allways run fast enough (swim?)

Step on a toad on catachin and you, your unit, and 100 square miles get vapourised.




However, this thread wont go anywhere, will just keep going in circles

Jackal wrote:To be honest, kraken or not, you see something that size comming, you just cant allways run fast enough (swim?)

Step on a toad on catachin and you, your unit, and 100 square miles get vapourised.

Exactly. Don't even get me started on the warts.

Remember kids, licking toad is bad, and really fething bad in this case

moonshine wrote:Well it is possible to live on Fenris that is not part of Asahiem. I think an outsider would last longer on Fenris than Catachan

It possible to live on any part of Catachan... but like Fenris nor for very long.
This is gonna go in circles.
They are both bad places to live if you're not hard as nails or insane... just in different ways.

I agree lets just compromise and say that none of us would want to live in either of those places.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Jackal wrote:To be honest, kraken or not, you see something that size comming, you just cant allways run fast enough (swim?)

Step on a toad on catachin and you, your unit, and 100 square miles get vapourised.

Exactly. Don't even get me started on the warts.

"Daddy... Can I touch it?"

"Son wait! No!"

*Last heard from APQ53 sector, shortly thereafter, all contact was lost, and a smoking crater found as the fauna quickly consumed the crater.*

Food for thought though, despite the fact that it may be off topic (note: if it further derails this topic, I will start a new thread), it is hinted that the Tyranids have been to Catachan before, meaning that, potentially, the mutation of plant and animal life could be Tyranic in form. The major flaw in this being that Tyranids leave nothing behind, and so, Catachan seems... Unlikely to have been visited prior.

Psh I'd want to live on Fenris haha


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moonshine wrote:

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:

NagothDaCleaver wrote:Catachan, there are far more ways to die on Catachan then there are on Fenris. Almost every single organism, from bacteria to Catachan Devil is deadly.

Name one thing from Fenris that isn't deadly.

I think of Fenris in the same vein as Nocturne.
Nocturne is no joke as far as death worlds go, almost every living thing that's not a giant monster dies every 15 years on Nocturne.

And as much as I love Fenrisian wolves, they have nothing on the Fire-Drake Salamanders of Nocturne... because they are just gigantic fire breathing Dragons.

I don't see where this comes into play on the discussion since Nocturne isn't Catachan?

Ok on fenris the trees do not try and kill you (there are trees on fenris).

I didn't ask you to name something that woulden't try to kill you, I asked you to name something on Fenris that isn't deadly. Trees can be just as deadly as any predator.

On fenris not every fish can kill you either.

And where are you getting this tid bit? Because as far as fluff goes every type of fish ever mentioned in Fenrisian fluff can kill a human.

Nocturne is similar to Fenris in the sence that they both go through periods of time where the planet heatsd up. Btw I did ask for people to talk about other death worlds that are as/more deadly than either Fenris or Catachan

But in comparing which is a harder place to live on Nocturne has no effect on Fenris vs Catachan.

Footsloggin wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Jackal wrote:To be honest, kraken or not, you see something that size comming, you just cant allways run fast enough (swim?)

Step on a toad on catachin and you, your unit, and 100 square miles get vapourised.

Exactly. Don't even get me started on the warts.

"Daddy... Can I touch it?"

"Son wait! No!"

*Last heard from APQ53 sector, shortly thereafter, all contact was lost, and a smoking crater found as the fauna quickly consumed the crater.*

Food for thought though, despite the fact that it may be off topic (note: if it further derails this topic, I will start a new thread), it is hinted that the Tyranids have been to Catachan before, meaning that, potentially, the mutation of plant and animal life could be Tyranic in form. The major flaw in this being that Tyranids leave nothing behind, and so, Catachan seems... Unlikely to have been visited prior.

Damn Catachan Toads!
You kind of got it. It's theorized by some that Catachan was partially Tyranoformed. It's complicated but the first step in Tyranoforming before the hivefleet arrives is for the all the flora to grow completely out of control and go ballistic. For whatever reason no hivefleet arrived and it remained crazy and life adapted and evolved. That's why everything on Catachan is just absolutely ridiculous.

Catachan. In all the Codex fluff they mention how everything on the planet is trying to kill you... Space Wolves at least have a place where you can be relatively safe. Catachan has nothing like that.

I remember an article on GW website on the creatures on catachan and one of them is believed to be a descendent of the Tyranids.

The article was posted about 5 years ago so I can't show pics of it

The Catachan Barking Toad doesn't explode as such but realeses a toxin that kills anything within a square kilometer.

Even sealed power armour doesn't protect you

This is how i figure it:
On Catachan, an outsider would have far greater problems surviving than the same person would have on Fenris. HOWEVER, i think survival is easier for the natives of Catachan. Why? Because almost everything on Catachan that can kill you, can also pretty easily be killed by you, since most of it kills by other means than raw strength (poisons, infecting the neural system, liquefying brains, etc.). Yes, I am aware of the Devil, but i don't see that as something that can't be killed by a bunch of commandos armed with lasguns. If you just keep a watchful eye on your surroundings, something that the Catachans constantly do, you'll be fine. On Fenris, however, almost everything that tries to kill you is something you can't escape, be it extreme weather or sea wyrm. They have to prevail by sheer wits and strength, and they have to go face-to face with all these horrors who can smash their boat to pieces in a single heartbeat.

Catachan, the Planet it self is trying to kill you, On Fenris the animals try to kill you,

I hate to be an IG fan boy but im going catachan,

Dont get me wrong Both are about equal, in my book, But Fenris must be stable enough for a chapter to live there, But they once even look twice at catachan.

TPSOhuzzar wrote:Catachan, the Planet it self is trying to kill you, On Fenris the animals try to kill you,

So you're just gonna ignore the extremly cold tempratures of Fenris which can kill, the constantly changing landmass which can kill both directly and indirectly or the massive volcanic eruptions which can kill. All caused by the planet.

Dont get me wrong Both are about equal, in my book, But Fenris must be stable enough for a chapter to live there, But they once even look twice at catachan.

Except that chapters don't chose their homeworlds (if they have the option to) based off of if it's stable, a BA successor deliberatly chose a home world because alot of their marines where killed on it in the first few days.

And no chapter lives on any world that supplies major IG regiments (except the UM) because if a SM chapter inhabits the planet then that planet dosen't have to pay Imperial tithes in soldiers and so the Imperium would be losing huge amounts of soldiers. It's not because the planet is to dangerous for marines to live there.


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BluntmanDC wrote:

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:

Henners91 wrote:Do any SM Chapters recruit from Catachan?

Not directly from the planet but I don't doubt that marines fighting alongside Catachan regiments have recruited a couple promising members over time. If they're young enough

It would be very unlikely that any member of a Catachan regiment would be young enough.

I've never seen any fluff stating at what age any of the IG regiments begin recruiting so for all you know it could be at age 12 (especially since some of them have white shield corps composed of younger members). So it actually isn't very unlikely and is just as possible as the Chapter recruiting from any other source.

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:I didn't ask you to name something that woulden't try to kill you, I asked you to name something on Fenris that isn't deadly. Trees can be just as deadly as any predator.

"I didn't ask you to name something that wouldn't kill you, I asked for something on Fenris that isn't deadly."

That. Is priceless.

And apparently trees on Fenris are as deadly as the predators there.

On fenris not every fish can kill you either.

And where are you getting this tid bit? Because as far as fluff goes every type of fish ever mentioned in Fenrisian fluff can kill a human.

Impossible. There cannot be predators without prey, therefore there must be something at the bottom of the food pyramid to provide sustenance for these killer fish. The climate on Fenris is simply too harsh for humans to breed enough to be the sole food source for all these animals.

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:
I don't see where this comes into play on the discussion since Nocturne isn't Catachan?

Maybe if you read the original post it would make sense to you.

moonshine wrote: If anybody knows a death wolrd they consider more dangerous than either of them please tell us about it.

That is why I brought up the fact that I think Nocturne, while not more dangerous, is on par with Fenris

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:
Name one thing from Fenris that isn't deadly.

Ok: sun-spawned plankton

I think that both worlds are deadly, if an outsider landed on either they would not live long. I think that if a someone from Fenris was sent to Catachan they would not last 5 seconds. I think a Catachan could survive for longer than 5 seconds on Fenris

Emperors Faithful wrote:

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:I didn't ask you to name something that woulden't try to kill you, I asked you to name something on Fenris that isn't deadly. Trees can be just as deadly as any predator.

"I didn't ask you to name something that wouldn't try to kill you, I asked for something on Fenris that isn't deadly."

That. Is priceless.

And apparently trees on Fenris are as deadly as the predators there.

I fixed your own little quote so it says what I put. And as I said, a tree can be just as deadly as ANY predator. A tree can kill someone just as easily.

On fenris not every fish can kill you either.

And where are you getting this tid bit? Because as far as fluff goes every type of fish ever mentioned in Fenrisian fluff can kill a human.

Impossible. There cannot be predators without prey, therefore there must be something at the bottom of the food pyramid to provide sustenance for these killer fish. The climate on Fenris is simply too harsh for humans to breed enough to be the sole food source for all these animals.

Yak9UT wrote:I remember an article on GW website on the creatures on catachan and one of them is believed to be a descendent of the Tyranids.

The article was posted about 5 years ago so I can't show pics of it

The Catachan Barking Toad doesn't explode as such but realeses a toxin that kills anything within a square kilometer.

Even sealed power armour doesn't protect you

Oh ok, its just a toad that can pierce power armour with neurotoxins. Phew, thought it was something dangerous.

NagothDaCleaver wrote:

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:
I don't see where this comes into play on the discussion since Nocturne isn't Catachan?

Maybe if you read the original post it would make sense to you.

Maybe if you woulden't make idiotic statements it would save us all some time considering I had already said in a discussion concerning Catachan vs Fenris. I have read the OP and am well aware that the OP asked people to talk about other deathworlds .

moonshine wrote:

If anybody knows a death world they consider more dangerous than either of them please tell us about it.

That is why I brought up the fact that I think Nocturne, while not more dangerous, is on par with Fenris

oh yes that's why the fluff of Nocturne has it listed as being tied with one of the top 3 most dangerous planets in the Imperium. Oh wait, it dosen't. And if all you have as reason for why it's "on par" with Fenris is because tectonic activity and giant fire breathing lizards you need to rehash what "on par" means.

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:

Name one thing from Fenris that isn't deadly.

Ok: sun-spawned plankton

So you're assuming that there IS plankton on Fenris, this is not Earth. Because Earths oceans have plankton does not mean the oceans of Fenris do and IF they do who is to say that they're anything like those of Earth?

AFAIK the prime hunting for the islands come from Orca (Killer Whales) which isn't particuarly safe.

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:

NagothDaCleaver wrote:

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:
I don't see where this comes into play on the discussion since Nocturne isn't Catachan?

Maybe if you read the original post it would make sense to you.

Maybe if you woulden't make idiotic statements it would save us all some time considering I had already said in a discussion concerning Catachan vs Fenris. I have read the OP and am well aware that the OP asked people to talk about other deathworlds .

Thanks for trying to be insulting, you sir are a champion. I was pointing out that the conversation is not just about Catachan Vs Fenris. Maybe to you it is, but luckily there are far more people on this board to talk to than just you. This includes the original poster, to whom I was speaking to.

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:
Ok: sun-spawned plankton
So you're assuming that there IS plankton on Fenris, this is not Earth. Because Earths oceans have plankton does not mean the oceans of Fenris do and IF they do who is to say that they're anything like those of Earth?

All this talk of background material and you haven't even read the entirety of the codex. I don't have to assume there is plankton on Fenris, I don't base my arguments on assumtions as you seem to. I can back up everything I say. Page 6. of Codex Space Wolves, 5th paragraph

Codex: Space Wolves wrote:During this period, the ice retreats to the world's poles and the gargantuan dwellers of the deep waters emerge to enjoy the bounty of sun-spawned plankton, bladefish and other short-lived aquatic fauna.

I don't actually think that this takes away from the planet's Deathworldness, but you asked and I answered.
Also, bear in mind that Fenris also has a few birds that are not all deadly towards man, the ravens that are made into Cyber Ravens that become Choosers of the Slain.

The Catachan Barking Toad doesn't explode as such but realeses a toxin that kills anything within a square kilometer.

Even sealed power armour doesn't protect you

That was indded an article in a GW mag.
And about 5 years is also correct.

It was part 1 of thier creature feature.


The toad in there was actually the lesser barking toad, which was still a S10 AP1 pie plate.
Also, your correct on the mothod, which is why i said vapourised.
The normal barking toadk will ruin entire continents.


The tyrannic creature your talking about would be the "Slaver"
It was a up-turned squig with tenticles comming out of it.
Pretty much a lash prince that can make a unit shoot another friendly unit. (gave the an enemy unit for a whole turn)

That WD mag also included the hunting dogs, croctalids (?) carnosaur and megosaur and another one i think.
Ill have to dig it out later on.
I do have the rules printed out though from when it was a DL on GW's site.



For anyone that was interested, it was a 2 part feature.
2nd part had a few more in it like the colossus (zoat) and some weird ones.
also included charts and rules to make your own creatures.

Jackal wrote:

The tyrannic creature your talking about would be the "Slaver"
It was a up-turned squig with tenticles comming out of it.
Pretty much a lash prince that can make a unit shoot another friendly unit. (gave the an enemy unit for a whole turn)

To be fair to Fenris though, it also has monsters that are speculated to be a "left over Tyranid Bio-Weapon" and those are the Krakens.

yes but if the kraken got near the Braking toad, the Barking toad would kill it (and itself)

Jackal wrote:

The Catachan Barking Toad doesn't explode as such but realeses a toxin that kills anything within a square kilometer.

Even sealed power armour doesn't protect you

That was indded an article in a GW mag.
And about 5 years is also correct.

It was part 1 of thier creature feature.


The toad in there was actually the lesser barking toad, which was still a S10 AP1 pie plate.
Also, your correct on the mothod, which is why i said vapourised.
The normal barking toadk will ruin entire continents.


The tyrannic creature your talking about would be the "Slaver"
It was a up-turned squig with tenticles comming out of it.
Pretty much a lash prince that can make a unit shoot another friendly unit. (gave the an enemy unit for a whole turn)

That WD mag also included the hunting dogs, croctalids (?) carnosaur and megosaur and another one i think.
Ill have to dig it out later on.
I do have the rules printed out though from when it was a DL on GW's site.



For anyone that was interested, it was a 2 part feature.
2nd part had a few more in it like the colossus (zoat) and some weird ones.
also included charts and rules to make your own creatures.

Whoa. Honestly, I thought the Toad thing was a joke. C'mon people, thermonuclear toads, is this really a debate anymore?
I remember a creature that was the size of a freight train - was it the megosaur?

moonshine wrote:yes but if the kraken got near the Braking toad, the Barking toad would kill it (and itself)

Don't get me wrong, I wasn't comparing the Barking Toad to anything on Fenris, because frankly there is nothing on Fenris that compares to it... save for the Warheads that are stashed within the Fang.

Canuck, the toad is no joke mate.


We used to include a 3rd army in our games with basic movement rules. (pretty much rage) that had no player using them.
Really did make it amusing when a toad nuked a unit of boyz or blew an IC apart lol.

but yes, the toad is real.




The thing you are calling a freight train is actually a male catachin devil.
They have a bad habbit of large growth that only really stops in death.
They also have alot of smaller ones known as devil spawn which follow them about.
But the big one (larger than a normal devil) is the alpha male of the devils.
Usually one per colony and they tend to have large crab like claws at the front instead of talons, which were described as being able to scythe through a leman russ.


The megosaur is bloody huge.
From the height and fluff described i would hazard a guess at near on 100 feet tall? (said it towered over the jungle canopies, which were 80 feet tall)
So yes, he is a big bastard, and also has a pretty nasty temper to go with it.





Hive fleets - At the start of an invasion the planet its self starts to warp as the spores land and start the initial stages.
These tend to plant new life (plant life) which constrict and strangle any other living plants or creatures.
As a result, you have things like the catachin man-eater and brain-leaf growing out of control.

Not only does it affect plant and wild life, it also causes heavy damage on any settlements as the plants grow through the plaststeel walls.

2nd stage is generally small animals begin to die as small tyrannic creatures hunt them.
this is where fluff suggests the devils were born.

Catachin has never been invaded as such though.
It has seen the 1st 2 stages of it, but its now being used as a hunting world.
Simply cells of stealers and lictors hunt down any living creatures they can.
Weather this is for biomass, DNA or any other means hasnt been answered by fluff though.



after sorting through some books and articles, it seems the kraken was also born as a tyrannic creature like the devils.
However, there isnt much into on them, so thats kind of hard to say any more on.

Old one eye has also been on Fenris, and killed off the scavengers who tried to capture him (was sealed in a block of ice)
However, it turned nasty as the ice couldnt sustain him and he broke free, killing them all and then vanishing (seems he has done this on atleast 5-6 worlds according to fluff)
What i did notice though, when he was captured on fenris it was a tracked truck they used to try and bring him back to thier settlement.
So tech or no tech, they have basic transportation.

Old one eye was most defintely not on Fenris.
The tribesmen have longships and, at best, iron weapons.

Give me an hour or 2 purple, ill dig out and scan the article in and throw it on here.

Thats what didnt make any sense to me.

Better PM it to me...
Good idea not to clog up a thread.

Its in keeping though
We are talking about deathworlds.
This is a bit of fluff that relates to such a place.


However, it seems like Goto fluff so far.



Also dug out the previous nid dex, so flicking through that again since it mentions catachin alot in it.

purplefood wrote:Old one eye was most defintely not on Fenris.
The tribesmen have longships and, at best, iron weapons.

Yeah, as far as i Know it was the Ultramarines, planet Calth where Old One Eye was frozen.

Depending on how old the article is then it might be some of the 'heretic tomes' as it were

Nagoth, that was in more recent ones.

The one imrefering to was in a WD article a long time ago, im sure it was before he actually had a model, but was around issue 170(?)

Ill keep digging till i find it and any other fluff on Dworlds.

Then the article you're talking about is entirely superseded by the current one.
It would take a very long time to get to Fenris from Ultrmar in a warp capable ship let alone however Old One Eye gets about.

Jackal wrote:Canuck, the toad is no joke mate.


We used to include a 3rd army in our games with basic movement rules. (pretty much rage) that had no player using them.
Really did make it amusing when a toad nuked a unit of boyz or blew an IC apart lol.

but yes, the toad is real.




The thing you are calling a freight train is actually a male catachin devil.
They have a bad habbit of large growth that only really stops in death.
They also have alot of smaller ones known as devil spawn which follow them about.
But the big one (larger than a normal devil) is the alpha male of the devils.
Usually one per colony and they tend to have large crab like claws at the front instead of talons, which were described as being able to scythe through a leman russ.


The megosaur is bloody huge.
From the height and fluff described i would hazard a guess at near on 100 feet tall? (said it towered over the jungle canopies, which were 80 feet tall)
So yes, he is a big bastard, and also has a pretty nasty temper to go with it.





Hive fleets - At the start of an invasion the planet its self starts to warp as the spores land and start the initial stages.
These tend to plant new life (plant life) which constrict and strangle any other living plants or creatures.
As a result, you have things like the catachin man-eater and brain-leaf growing out of control.

Not only does it affect plant and wild life, it also causes heavy damage on any settlements as the plants grow through the plaststeel walls.

2nd stage is generally small animals begin to die as small tyrannic creatures hunt them.
this is where fluff suggests the devils were born.

Catachin has never been invaded as such though.
It has seen the 1st 2 stages of it, but its now being used as a hunting world.
Simply cells of stealers and lictors hunt down any living creatures they can.
Weather this is for biomass, DNA or any other means hasnt been answered by fluff though.



after sorting through some books and articles, it seems the kraken was also born as a tyrannic creature like the devils.
However, there isnt much into on them, so thats kind of hard to say any more on.

Old one eye has also been on Fenris, and killed off the scavengers who tried to capture him (was sealed in a block of ice)
However, it turned nasty as the ice couldnt sustain him and he broke free, killing them all and then vanishing (seems he has done this on atleast 5-6 worlds according to fluff)
What i did notice though, when he was captured on fenris it was a tracked truck they used to try and bring him back to thier settlement.
So tech or no tech, they have basic transportation.

Ha! Sounds like some good times in Jungle Fighting. That's kind of my point though. Fenris has big dogs. Whooptie-do. Every Catachan will tell you they don't sweat the big stuff. Thing about the Devils and Megasaurses is you can hear and see them coming.
It's the mosquitos that suck your brain out while you're sleeping you need to worry about....that and toads.

Purple, thats the point.
He gets about through death by the seems of it.


Seems every time he dies he gets spawned yet again.
However, looking through just the new dex he has died multiple times allready.

Jackal wrote:Purple, thats the point.
He gets about through death by the seems of it.


Seems every time he dies he gets spawned yet again.
However, looking through just the new dex he has died multiple times allready.

That's fine but there isn't a chance in hell he would be spawned on Fenris without them knowing...
The SW don't even let other IoM forces near Fenris.

I'm calling this one for catachan. Half the population dies within a month or so of birth. Half of the survivers don't make it to the age of ten. And plenty more after that die too.

purplefood wrote:

Jackal wrote:Purple, thats the point.
He gets about through death by the seems of it.


Seems every time he dies he gets spawned yet again.
However, looking through just the new dex he has died multiple times allready.

That's fine but there isn't a chance in hell he would be spawned on Fenris without them knowing...
The SW don't even let other IoM forces near Fenris.

Old One Eye's fluff has been changed to fit with Tyranid fluffit has never been on Fenris. Old One Eye was part of Hive Fleet Behemoth, the Hive Fleet that attacked Ultramar (which is literally on the other side of the galaxy from Fenris).


I think the main difference between Fenris and Catachan is that although the world and the life on it are dangerous to life on both, on Fenris you also have people trying to kill you. Catachan is a unified world properly in the IoM, Fenris however is tribal world.

BluntmanDC wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Jackal wrote:Purple, thats the point.
He gets about through death by the seems of it.


Seems every time he dies he gets spawned yet again.
However, looking through just the new dex he has died multiple times allready.

That's fine but there isn't a chance in hell he would be spawned on Fenris without them knowing...
The SW don't even let other IoM forces near Fenris.

I think the main difference between Fenris and Catachan is that although the world and the life on it are dangerous to life on both, on Fenris you also have people trying to kill you. Catachan is a unified world properly in the IoM, Fenris however is tribal world.

People trying to kill you isn't a reason to classify it as a death world. There's plenty of cold planets with big animals around like Fenris that aren't classified as Death Worlds. Only Fenris' excessive plate tectonnics gets it past the line.

BluntmanDC wrote:

I think the main difference between Fenris and Catachan is that although the world and the life on it are dangerous to life on both, on Fenris you also have people trying to kill you. Catachan is a unified world properly in the IoM, Fenris however is tribal world.

I completely agree with this statement, the people of Fenris are very hostile to strangers. They are an extremely superstitious people and they could easily see an off worlder as a bad omen or a demon.

The extent of this was shown in the beginning of "Prospero Burns." The native fenrisians even attacked a fully armored Spacewolf believing him to be a demon.

That being said though, the Off-worlder in "Prospero Burns" did survive... and I do not believe anyone thrown at Catachan in a similar fashion would last 5 mins.

Bottle the toads up and drop them on worlds like bombs! Oh wait, we just lost an entire cruiser...

However, my vote goes to Catachan.

Footsloggin wrote:Bottle the toads up and drop them on worlds like bombs! Oh wait, we just lost an entire cruiser...

However, my vote goes to Catachan.

Ya, I'll let you do the Toad-bottling. Good luck with that.

lol. Come here li'l toady... Come on...

BOOM.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Footsloggin wrote:Bottle the toads up and drop them on worlds like bombs! Oh wait, we just lost an entire cruiser...

However, my vote goes to Catachan.

Ya, I'll let you do the Toad-bottling. Good luck with that.

Nah, we'll send the conscripts, I mean, after all, at least one has to come back on such a lethal deathworld...

@Warboss: Where are the deadly trees on Fenris? BTW, if something can't try and kill you, it isn't really classed as deadly.

BTW, we do have man-eating trees here in Australia.

loota boy wrote:I'm calling this one for catachan. Half the population dies within a month or so of birth. Half of the survivers don't make it to the age of ten. And plenty more after that die too.

And tht's with the advanced technology at hand.

Emperors Faithful wrote:@Warboss: Where are the deadly trees on Fenris? BTW, if something can't try and kill you, it isn't really classed as deadly.

BTW, we do have man-eating trees here in Australia.

loota boy wrote:I'm calling this one for catachan. Half the population dies within a month or so of birth. Half of the survivers don't make it to the age of ten. And plenty more after that die too.

And tht's with the advanced technology at hand.

Exactly. I don't know what the survival rate is on fenris, but there, you can see the dangers comming. In catachan, you just pray that the bugs ignore you, try not to touch anything, and just hope beyond hope that you don't catch eyerot or some sort of terrible disease. And what are these man-eating trees in australia? We just might have to classify your continent as a death continant..

Australia is definately a Death-Continent. Everyone knows Kangaroos just go around punching people in the face.

Don't forget the Southern Cassowary.



It may look colourful and harmless but its known to have killed and disect people who piss it off with its talons

Ok, lets get back on topic people

Hmm... Lexicanum says that Fenris has more dangerous animals then Catachan.

Heres the article: http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CDYQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwh40k.lexicanum.com%2Fwiki%2FFenris&rct=j&q=fenris&ei=OsSTTZd2j8Jx8Z-woQc&usg=AFQjCNGsK1Rgo1Z3LYX4gYe9fDIEainPMw&sig2=IllDbEm0yC48q6BnyGJyCA&cad=rja

Lexicanicum is not allways right, that might have just been one space wolf fans opinion. You can only prove that statement of you find where it says that in some OFFICIAL fluff

moonshine wrote:Lexicanicum is not allways right, that might have just been one space wolf fans opinion. You can only prove that statement of you find where it says that in some OFFICIAL fluff

I agree.

but the article is there for anyone to read it.

Mind you some of the sources are old as well so could be out of date with the modern fluff.

Yak9UT wrote:

moonshine wrote:Lexicanicum is not allways right, that might have just been one space wolf fans opinion. You can only prove that statement of you find where it says that in some OFFICIAL fluff

I agree.

but the article is there for anyone to read it.

Mind you some of the sources are old as well so could be out of date with the modern fluff.

Also, this isn't really a discussion limited to animals. While animals contribute heavily to Fenris bieing a Death world, Catachan has deadly plant life, inscet life and horrible diseases that put it over the top.

Besides, whoever made that statement about Fenris haveing deadier animals obviously wasn't taking into account the Barking Toad. There is nothing on fenris that is anywhere close to as deadly.

I see it this way. A normal human would freeze to death on Fenris without some sort of support. A normal human on Catachan would probably die, but some would survive-

Catachan was colonized by humans longer than Imperial records can remember. When the first probes arrived, the planet was a deceptive, calm green orb from orbit but when the colony ships crash-landed and the colonists had no way to escape, they awoke to find themselves on one of the harshest planets in the galaxy. The colonists only barely survived, holed up in their spacecraft against a living, besieging jungle, a battle for survival in which many undoubtedly died. -

So basically, I think Fenris is more deadly in the immediate term - if you survive the Temp you'd be okay for a bit. Whereas Catachan would be more deadly in the middle term - from 5 mins to a few months.
Then Fenris takes it back in the long term with the lands sinking/exploding/melting/breaking and the tsunamis and sea monster and what not. If you survive the acclimating process on Catachan, apparently you can eke out an existence, whereas there's no guarantee of that on Fenris.

Um. What's the mortality rate on Fenris? On Catachan, its stated as....a quarter of children making it to adulthood?

Also, its not like the Catachans have a Radio Shack or whatever from which they can get their "advanced technology." Most of the imports of Catachan, to my knowledge, are those medicines and technology. Most of the exports are....Catachan Jungle Fighters.

As for it being all sorts of cold, well, Valhalla's pretty damn cold too, but people live there. On the other end of the spectrum, Tallaran is a desert world. I don't think temperature has as much an effect on habitability as you think it does (given, of course, that said temperature is in the human habitability sone to begin with, and not like Venus-melting temperatures).

Now, somebody mentioned the diseases earlier, and I think that bears repeating. Diseases, pathogens, and parasites so virulent that they can kill a man within a day. So, on Catachan, if you get *scratched*, you can die. Probably painfully, too. How about on Fenris?

Last, I think (though I haven't read pages 2-4) that people are overlooking the whole sightline thing. I'm envisioning Fenris as a mountainous, craggy place. Like Iceland or Norway with an attitude. Do I have it about right? Sure, the mountains and rocks and stuff cut the sightline down to...a couple hundred meters.

Well, on Catachan, the jungle is so thick that I'd be surprised if you can see longer than a couple *dozen* meters. Now, what sense do humans rely on the most?

Sight.

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:

purplefood wrote:Out of those 2...
If you're attacking it probably Fenris but if you simply live their then probably Catachan...

Fenris has only 1 stable area of landmass and it's forbidden for the planets normal populous to live there. The temperature on Fenris can kill you quicker then the Temperature on Catachan can. Fenris is home to the greatest predator in the galaxy (the wolves not the marines). And Fenris has fauna that can swallow an entire longboat if not an island.

I'd say Fenris is more dangerous to live on. Catachan may have deadly Flora and Fauna but at least it's warm and the land you live on won't sink into the sea.

Read the Lost City of Z. There are reasons we know the jungle as the Green Hell, and that's just on Earth.

Very icky nasty stuff in our own jungles here, on the level you think has to be science fiction. So a sci-fi jungle that would eat ours for breakfast? Perfectly healthy men that have maggots begin to thrive under the skin, necrosis diseases that eat your flesh without needing a wound to fester in, no food at all on the jungle floor because everything (and I mean everything) is a predator....and that's the Amazon.

It doesn't have to fall into the ocean, whole civilizations disappear overnight in the Amazon alone due to rampant vegitation growth.

Yeah, Cold does not a Deathworld make. There are plenty of Ice planets in the Galaxay. Besides if Environment alone was the basis of a Deathworld than Krieg would win hands down. On Krieg the environmental conditions forces the population to wear air filtration systems to avoid being killed by the toxic atmosphere.
Hell, if Environment were a deciding factor in naming a planet a Deathworld, than any planet with an uninhabitable atmosphere, or no atmosphere at all, would be a death world. So then Venus would be a crazier Deathworld than Catachan and Fenris combined. The galaxy would be mostly "Deathworlds" all of which putting Fenris and Catachan to shame.

So, no, environment and weather are only a small factor in a planet being declared a Deathworld. Flora, Fauna, Tectonic activity, Volcatinc Activity, Weather and other factors all play into it.

Not just... "Oh crap! It's Cold!"

Because the surface of the moon is more cold, and it's not a Deathmoon.

Catachan also has the fact theat the entire planet tries to kill you, Catachan is like one big living being that tries to kill anythnig that lands on it.

Votes going with Catachan. Fenris would unleash a herd of ravenous giant wolves mounted on the back of a Kraken. Only to be horribly vaporised from a single sun bathing toad.

NagothDaCleaver wrote:Yeah, Cold does not a Deathworld make. There are plenty of Ice planets in the Galaxay. Besides if Environment alone was the basis of a Deathworld than Krieg would win hands down. On Krieg the environmental conditions forces the population to wear air filtration systems to avoid being killed by the toxic atmosphere.
Hell, if Environment were a deciding factor in naming a planet a Deathworld, than any planet with an uninhabitable atmosphere, or no atmosphere at all, would be a death world. So then Venus would be a crazier Deathworld than Catachan and Fenris combined. The galaxy would be mostly "Deathworlds" all of which putting Fenris and Catachan to shame.

So, no, environment and weather are only a small factor in a planet being declared a Deathworld. Flora, Fauna, Tectonic activity, Volcatinc Activity, Weather and other factors all play into it.

Not just... "Oh crap! It's Cold!"

Because the surface of the moon is more cold, and it's not a Deathmoon.

Those are called Gas Planets mate. And deathworld = world still hospitable to mankind. So no.

Asherian Command wrote:

NagothDaCleaver wrote:Yeah, Cold does not a Deathworld make. There are plenty of Ice planets in the Galaxay. Besides if Environment alone was the basis of a Deathworld than Krieg would win hands down. On Krieg the environmental conditions forces the population to wear air filtration systems to avoid being killed by the toxic atmosphere.
Hell, if Environment were a deciding factor in naming a planet a Deathworld, than any planet with an uninhabitable atmosphere, or no atmosphere at all, would be a death world. So then Venus would be a crazier Deathworld than Catachan and Fenris combined. The galaxy would be mostly "Deathworlds" all of which putting Fenris and Catachan to shame.

So, no, environment and weather are only a small factor in a planet being declared a Deathworld. Flora, Fauna, Tectonic activity, Volcatinc Activity, Weather and other factors all play into it.

Not just... "Oh crap! It's Cold!"

Because the surface of the moon is more cold, and it's not a Deathmoon.

Those are called Gas Planets mate. And deathworld = world still hospitable to mankind. So no.

Yes, I know, that was exactly my point: that environment, by itself, means very little when classifying something as a Deathworld. It's just one aspect.

NagothDaCleaver wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

NagothDaCleaver wrote:Yeah, Cold does not a Deathworld make. There are plenty of Ice planets in the Galaxay. Besides if Environment alone was the basis of a Deathworld than Krieg would win hands down. On Krieg the environmental conditions forces the population to wear air filtration systems to avoid being killed by the toxic atmosphere.
Hell, if Environment were a deciding factor in naming a planet a Deathworld, than any planet with an uninhabitable atmosphere, or no atmosphere at all, would be a death world. So then Venus would be a crazier Deathworld than Catachan and Fenris combined. The galaxy would be mostly "Deathworlds" all of which putting Fenris and Catachan to shame.

So, no, environment and weather are only a small factor in a planet being declared a Deathworld. Flora, Fauna, Tectonic activity, Volcatinc Activity, Weather and other factors all play into it.

Not just... "Oh crap! It's Cold!"

Because the surface of the moon is more cold, and it's not a Deathmoon.

Those are called Gas Planets mate. And deathworld = world still hospitable to mankind. So no.

Yes, I know, that was exactly my point: that environment, by itself, means very little when classifying something as a Deathworld. It's just one aspect.

did you not read what I wrote Deathworlds are still hospitable to man THAT IS THE ORDER!.
To quote

Death Worlds are worlds classified by the Administratum of the Imperium as a planet with a climate, terrain, or ecosystem that is highly dangerous to human life, to the point of being nearly unlivable. Nonetheless, many of these worlds have large human settlements, notable for the strength and self-reliance of their people. On many Death Worlds the human population is divided into tribes. Due to the harsh conditions living to the age of 35 is nearly impossible.

This makes it a great place to recruit marines, and such!

Fenris isn't just cold...
Every 2 years the planet goes through its summer. This consists of the seas boiling and massive earthquakes and volcanos wrecking the place. The tribes are forced out into the sea to look for a new place to live. They are attacked by sea dragons and kraken as well as other tribes searching for new land.
The only safe place is Asahiem which is the primary hunting ground of Blackmane Wolves which are the sixe of a man and far more cunning.
Fenris also passes through a ring of space debris causing showers of meteor s to hit across the planet.
It's a pretty damn dangerous place to live though i'll admit it is only second to Catachan.

Asherian Command wrote:

NagothDaCleaver wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

NagothDaCleaver wrote:Yeah, Cold does not a Deathworld make. There are plenty of Ice planets in the Galaxay. Besides if Environment alone was the basis of a Deathworld than Krieg would win hands down. On Krieg the environmental conditions forces the population to wear air filtration systems to avoid being killed by the toxic atmosphere.
Hell, if Environment were a deciding factor in naming a planet a Deathworld, than any planet with an uninhabitable atmosphere, or no atmosphere at all, would be a death world. So then Venus would be a crazier Deathworld than Catachan and Fenris combined. The galaxy would be mostly "Deathworlds" all of which putting Fenris and Catachan to shame.

So, no, environment and weather are only a small factor in a planet being declared a Deathworld. Flora, Fauna, Tectonic activity, Volcatinc Activity, Weather and other factors all play into it.

Not just... "Oh crap! It's Cold!"

Because the surface of the moon is more cold, and it's not a Deathmoon.

Those are called Gas Planets mate. And deathworld = world still hospitable to mankind. So no.

Yes, I know, that was exactly my point: that environment, by itself, means very little when classifying something as a Deathworld. It's just one aspect.

did you not read what I wrote Deathworlds are still hospitable to man THAT IS THE ORDER!.
To quote

Death Worlds are worlds classified by the Administratum of the Imperium as a planet with a climate, terrain, or ecosystem that is highly dangerous to human life, to the point of being nearly unlivable. Nonetheless, many of these worlds have large human settlements, notable for the strength and self-reliance of their people. On many Death Worlds the human population is divided into tribes. Due to the harsh conditions living to the age of 35 is nearly impossible.

This makes it a great place to recruit marines, and such!

Um...yes? There must be a disconnect here, because I am agreeing with you. My post above i stated that:

Nagoth wrote:Hell, if Environment were a deciding factor in naming a planet a Deathworld, than any planet with an uninhabitable atmosphere, or no atmosphere at all, would be a death world. So then Venus would be a crazier Deathworld than Catachan and Fenris combined.

By stating this I was showing that a nonhospitable planet is not considered a Deathworld.


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purplefood wrote:Fenris isn't just cold...

Oh definitely! There were just alot of posts in a row a few pages back that were along the lines of "Fenris is Colder than Catachan so it is deadlier."

That's what I was responding too.

Yes, the sea dragons are so fierce thier skin is used to cover longships lol.
These are creatures that are being killed by the most basic weapons possible.

Catachin has tech, and still struggles as the most danger posed there is the actual planet its self, not what lives on it.

Jackal wrote:Yes, the sea dragons are so fierce thier skin is used to cover longships lol.
These are creatures that are being killed by the most basic weapons possible.

Catachin has tech, and still struggles as the most danger posed there is the actual planet its self, not what lives on it.

They can swallow a longship in one go...
They are hunted by people who know how to hunt and kill them.
And by about a half dozen ships at once.

purplefood wrote:

Jackal wrote:Yes, the sea dragons are so fierce thier skin is used to cover longships lol.
These are creatures that are being killed by the most basic weapons possible.

Catachin has tech, and still struggles as the most danger posed there is the actual planet its self, not what lives on it.

They can swallow a longship in one go...
They are hunted by people who know how to hunt and kill them.
And by about a half dozen ships at once.

Yeah the space wolves love hunting them though.
Can't forget the disappearing wolves that can cloak. Somehow. And only one of them has ever been killed.

NagothDaCleaver wrote:Yeah, Cold does not a Deathworld make. There are plenty of Ice planets in the Galaxay. Besides if Environment alone was the basis of a Deathworld than Krieg would win hands down. On Krieg the environmental conditions forces the population to wear air filtration systems to avoid being killed by the toxic atmosphere.
Hell, if Environment were a deciding factor in naming a planet a Deathworld, than any planet with an uninhabitable atmosphere, or no atmosphere at all, would be a death world. So then Venus would be a crazier Deathworld than Catachan and Fenris combined. The galaxy would be mostly "Deathworlds" all of which putting Fenris and Catachan to shame.

So, no, environment and weather are only a small factor in a planet being declared a Deathworld. Flora, Fauna, Tectonic activity, Volcatinc Activity, Weather and other factors all play into it.

Not just... "Oh crap! It's Cold!"

Because the surface of the moon is more cold, and it's not a Deathmoon.

Krieg is a death world and a bad one at that.

Asherian Command wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Jackal wrote:Yes, the sea dragons are so fierce thier skin is used to cover longships lol.
These are creatures that are being killed by the most basic weapons possible.

Catachin has tech, and still struggles as the most danger posed there is the actual planet its self, not what lives on it.

They can swallow a longship in one go...
They are hunted by people who know how to hunt and kill them.
And by about a half dozen ships at once.

Yeah the space wolves love hunting them though.
Can't forget the disappearing wolves that can cloak. Somehow. And only one of them has ever been killed.

The Doppergangrel isn't a Wolf...
It's some kind of weird lizardy thing...
Come to think of it it might be from a Tyranid vaguard organism like the Kraken supposedly is.

purplefood wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Jackal wrote:Yes, the sea dragons are so fierce thier skin is used to cover longships lol.
These are creatures that are being killed by the most basic weapons possible.

Catachin has tech, and still struggles as the most danger posed there is the actual planet its self, not what lives on it.

They can swallow a longship in one go...
They are hunted by people who know how to hunt and kill them.
And by about a half dozen ships at once.

Yeah the space wolves love hunting them though.
Can't forget the disappearing wolves that can cloak. Somehow. And only one of them has ever been killed.

The Doppergangrel isn't a Wolf...
It's some kind of weird lizardy thing...
Come to think of it it might be from a Tyranid vaguard organism like the Kraken supposedly is.

What nah. I think its just some creature that the tyranids were scared as hell to face.

They can swallow a longship in one go...
They are hunted by people who know how to hunt and kill them.
And by about a half dozen ships at once.

Never the less, they are still able to hunt them.
The wolves are another example.
So deadly they are used as mounts.


Things like the megosaur are just left alone for a good reason.
They piss one off and it rampages through a settlement destroying everything it can.
No point in killing it since even with various weapons, it just annoys it even more.
So using one as a tamed mount (not sure for how many people) wouldnt even be a possibility.

Food chain wise they are top in catachin, however, im still going to guess a few have died to toad related injuries.

What nah. I think its just some creature that the tyranids were scared as hell to face.

Nids dont suffer from fear, or panic.
They will fight anything, even if they know they cant win.

Heres bit a few of the Fenris Creatures...
* Drakes - mighty dragonlike creatures that circle above geothermal vents for warmth
* Fenrisian Elk - razor sharp antlers
* Fenrisian Mammoths - can crush a man in moments
* Fenrisian Wolf - Stated as being among the most cunning and deadly predators in the galaxy. Capable of growing from the size of a small horse to that of an APC. Group hunting strategies. Leman Russ is said to have been raised by a she-wolf, and to have kept two hunting wolves, Freki and Geri.
* Great White Bears - capable of destroying buildings
* Kraken - gigantic sea creatures, possibly the remnants of a failed Tyranid invasion
* Ripperfish - capable of reducing a man to bone in seconds.1
* Sea Dragon - massive creature that lives in the Worldsea. Its hide is used by nomads for ships and dwellings.
* Fenrisian Ice Fiend - giant creatures twice the height of a space marine. they also bleed acidic blood.

After reading this I learned that yes the kraken might be a tyranid >.>


Compared To Catachan.
Catachan flora

* The Brainleaf, a vegetative carnivore, is a small tree, not particularly conspicuous on Catachan, but is able to attach its tendrils to the spine and brain of a person, taking control over their body. This creature may be an offshoot of the Tyranid Cortex Leech, a creature with similar abilities.
* The Spiker, another deadly plant, fires its spikes into its victims' bodies, which then releases a mutative chemical which literally turns the person into another spiker.
* The Venus Mantrap is a carnivorous plant common to jungle Deathworlds. It resembles the Terran Venus Flytrap by which it is named, but is far larger, and unlike the flytrap, it is able to move its leaves to attack and consume its prey. The Mantrap consists of a number of mobile leaves attached to a single immobile stem.



Catachan fauna

* Grox, although originally native to the Soloman system3, the animals are prized for their highly nutritious and tasty meat, and have been introduced to many worlds throughout the galaxy, so that the Grox is now the most ubiquitous livestock animal in the Imperium. The Grox however are extremely ornery and virtually impossible to keep under control without some form of brain-implants or lobotomy - in Catachan they have become wild, and are deadly predators. Grox are used by a galaxy-spanning food consortium to produce the famous 'Grox Burgers'.
* The Shambling Mamorphs of the volcano lands are tough fighters and put up a good fight even against the Catachan Devil.
* One of the famous deadly animals is the Catachan Devil, a voracious predator, looking somewhat like a many-limbed scorpion. They can be as long as a land train but are very bulky and slow moving meaning that escape is possible.
* There are also many types of serpents on Catachan, including the Flying Swamp Mamba, the Coiling Death Cobra and the Catachan Black Viper, and are all deadly to most living beings. Some can kill in under 30 heartbeats.
* Great Barking Toads, although appearing benign and harmless, are literally volatile creatures: the creature is easily startled, and anything it finds threatening is liable to cause it to explode in a cloud of toxins which kills anything within a very wide (one kilometer) area, including the Barking Toad itself. The toxin is virulent enough that even respirators and sealed suits such as power armour offer no protection. They are known as the most toxic creatures in the galaxy.5

I'm willing to admit that Catachan beats Fenris in general lethality but i am pretty sure Fenris is an easy second place.

purplefood wrote:I'm willing to admit that Catachan beats Fenris in general lethality but i am pretty sure Fenris is an easy second place.

I agree.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Krieg is a death world and a bad one at that.

Yes, I know, I now realize that I phrased what i was trying to say incorrectly. what I mean to say was:
Besides if Environment alone was the basis of one Deathworld being deadlier than another than Krieg would win hands down.

Isn't Fenris a deathworld too? Or has this already been mentioned?

For living on I'm saying Fenris as it's all territorial tribes on most of the planet who would barely ever accept outsiders and even then they would have to be in perfect physical condition just to be accepted and then the tribes have to move as a whole village at least annually due to the summers destroying all islands and creating new ones pretty much (excluding the space wolves mountains obviously), whereas on Catachan you probably wouldn't survive very long unless in peak physical condition again but at least the general public have contact with the imperium, let alone not even having electricity like the clans on Fenris.

For invading, definitely Fenris, the ice cap the space wolves are based on is surrounded by high cliffs and there are vast open wastelands full of wild, savage creatures and the rest of the planet is covered by the clans which could be exterminated in a straight up fight but in guerilla warfare on any death planet is going to work out well for the defenders. Then you'll probably still be trying to invade and just gained a foothold when summer comes around and your bases are destroyed completely as the land they were on dissapears and you have to build all new bases and camps and set up all new defences, thsi takes even more men away from the invasion. The only other way on is through the space wolves fortress, good luck with that one, or landing out in the wastes with no food sources or sense of direction and probably being continuously watched by space wolves who know their way around and coud ambush you at any point, while being hunted by the many wild creatures. I'm not saying it would be much easier to invade Catachan but there the defenders get the same problems as attackers with setting up bases, they have to be continuously defended and the plants burnt back every day, where as the space wolves know the massive barren wastes, always have patrols out and have a fortress so large that it extends out of the atmosphere of the planet.

I gotta go with Catachan. I don't think I've ever seen Fenris listed in any official literature as a death world at all, only as a feral world unless this happened with one of the last re-writes.
One on one both Fenrisians and Catachans are gonna be tough as nails, pushing human limits.
In a cage match with primitive weapons a Fenrisian might have the edge of experience with the fighting style (although I'd never underestimate a Catachan with a knife) Put them in the jungle though and a Catchan will F him up with boobytraps and such before he knows what hit him

Fenris isn't even a close second when compared to Catachan. Imagine swapping the population of Fenris with that of Catchan. The people of Catachan would probably handle themselves pretty well once they got used to the cold, compared to home it'd be a holiday. As for the Fenrisians? They'd last 30 minutes at most.

Emperors Faithful wrote:Fenris isn't even a close second when compared to Catachan. Imagine swapping the population of Fenris with that of Catachan. The people of Catachan would probably handle themselves pretty well once they got used to the cold, compared to home it'd be a holiday. As for the Fenrisians? They'd last 30 minutes at most.

Yep Catachan is the worst. Spelling erroR!

I think an un-armed Catachan could kill an fully armed tribesman from Fenris on open ground, think about it :

1) A Catachan grows up on a world where everything tries to kill you and he has probably doddged enough Catachan devils and poisen plants to be able to dodge an axe.

2) That same Catachan would be faster than a Tribesman, the Catachan has probably had to run away in the middle of a forest where everything tries to kill him so loicaly he would be very agile and fast.

3) A Catachan has to get through the jungles so he would be pretty strong and have tuff vines that need to be broken.

4) Catachans can snap an Orks kneck in combat, Imagine what he would do to a tribesman.

5) the Catachan would be familiar with knife fighting and would knock the axe out of the Fenrisians hand (the Fenrisian would probably miss him and end up having to pull his axe back up) and I think a good roundhouse kick from a Catachan or a punch in the face from him would kill a tribesman or at least stun him whilst the Catachan breaks his kneck.

Emperors Faithful wrote:Fenris isn't even a close second when compared to Catachan. Imagine swapping the population of Fenris with that of Catchan. The people of Catachan would probably handle themselves pretty well once they got used to the cold, compared to home it'd be a holiday. As for the Fenrisians? They'd last 30 minutes at most.

Please.
It's not a little cold.
A little cold is manchester in the winter.
This is arctic or worse temperatures.
In summer the oceans boil and tsunamis are caused by earthquakes which also cause valcanic eruptions.
They might survive a bit longer but they have no idea how to deal with the cold.

your avatar is a space wolf emblem Purplefood. No one is going to convince you of this but Fenris is all bad to a Space Wolf player. If you don't have a Space Wolves codex it's only a foot note. EVERY ONE in 40k knows Catachan is the original definition of a Deathworld!
-full disclosure, I don't play Space Wolves or Catachans although a few Catachan models slip into my Tallarn regiment once in awhile

Brotherjulian wrote:your avatar is a space wolf emblem Purplefood. No one is going to convince you of this but Fenris is all bad to a Space Wolf player. If you don't have a Space Wolves codex it's only a foot note. EVERY ONE in 40k knows Catachan is the original definition of a Deathworld!
-full disclosure, I don't play Space Wolves or Catachans although a few Catachan models slip into my Tallarn regiment once in awhile

I've already admitted Catachan is #1
What i won't agree with is people saying Fenris isn't #2
Or that anyone can survive on it.

Fenris in Most definitely a Deathworld. The newest Space Wolf codex lists it among the three worst Deathworlds known to man.

As for a Catachan Vs a Fenrisian, I would say that completely depends on location and on the individuals fighting. There are many scenarios in which Fenrisians could take out Catachans.

But in most cases the Catachans would have the edge because they are so much stronger. Because Catachan, besides being the craziest Deathworld in the galaxy, also has a higher than normal Gravity and the Catachans are stronger than normal people when they are off world.

Remember Catachans have the nickname "Baby Ogryns"

NagothDaCleaver wrote:Fenris in Most definitely a Deathworld. The newest Space Wolf codex lists it among the three worst Deathworlds known to man.

Wait, three Deathworlds known to man? What sort of crock is that? There are a lot more than three deathworlds. I'm fairly sure the Catachan 'dex mentions like a half-dozen.

Ogiwan wrote:

NagothDaCleaver wrote:Fenris in Most definitely a Deathworld. The newest Space Wolf codex lists it among the three worst Deathworlds known to man.

Wait, three Deathworlds known to man? What sort of crock is that? There are a lot more than three deathworlds. I'm fairly sure the Catachan 'dex mentions like a half-dozen.

The three worst.

I believe Baal or some fan made planets might be deathworlds.
Do we know any other deathworlds apart from Fenris and Catachan?

Asherian Command wrote:I believe Baal or some fan made planets might be deathworlds.
Do we know any other deathworlds apart from Fenris and Catachan?

False Hope
Cretacia
Nocturne
Krieg
Kanak

purplefood wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:I believe Baal or some fan made planets might be deathworlds.
Do we know any other deathworlds apart from Fenris and Catachan?

False Hope
Cretacia
Nocturne
Krieg
Kanak

Cretacia has got to be one of the worst.
Nocturne is bad.
Caliban was really bad, too bad it was destroyed...
Krieg is still bad but it only has a bad environment.

Luther Mcyntyre.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Luther Mcyntyre.

What?

Asherian Command wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Luther Mcyntyre.

What?

What? It's one of many worlds more deadly than Fenris

Calm down everybody! As someone else pointed out I said one of the three worst deathworlds, not one of the three only deathworlds.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Luther Mcyntyre.

What?

What? It's one of many worlds more deadly than Fenris

Luther Macintyre has never been listed anywhere as more deadly than any other deathworld, so I doubt it. It's a dessert world that has Ambulls and possibly Necrons on it...

Fenris however is listed in the newest codex as being one of the 3 worst death worlds. So, if it has been stated that Luther Macintyre is more deadly than Fenris than it is really close.
Newest codex trumps all previous lore, so you can't argue that there many worlds more deadly than fenris, because there can only be 2, if that.

NagothDaCleaver wrote:Calm down everybody! As someone else pointed out I said one of the three worst deathworlds, not one of the three only deathworlds.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Luther Mcyntyre.

What?

What? It's one of many worlds more deadly than Fenris

Luther Macintyre has never been listed anywhere as more deadly than any other deathworld, so I doubt it. It's a dessert world that has Ambulls and possibly Necrons on it...

Fenris however is listed in the newest codex as being one of the 3 worst death worlds. So, if it has been stated that Luther Macintyre is more deadly than Fenris than it is really close.
Newest codex trumps all previous lore, so you can't argue that there many worlds more deadly than fenris, because there can only be 2, if that.

I say the 2nd deadlist is Nocturne the animals and flora that live on Nocturne are really deadly. They spew lava and explosives at you. Nocturne is probably more deadlier than Fenris.

Asherian Command wrote:
I say the 2nd deadlist is Nocturne the animals and flora that live on Nocturne are really deadly. They spew lava and explosives at you. Nocturne is probably more deadlier than Fenris.

I would say it's either Nocturne or Cretacia that is in the Top 3 with Catachan and Fenris.



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Oh, and Baal isn't a Deathworld... it just sucks.

I'm not sure of Baal, could be a death world. The natives live on the moons orbiting it (it's radiated but not I think immediately deadly). You say the Fenris deathworld information is in the latest Wolfie codex, so that's new retconning to me. Understand my game knowledge is rooted in 2nd ed and it was never implied then

I would say it is Cretacia and Catachan. Catachan is widely belived to be the most dangerous death world in the Impirium

Cretacia - hadn't heard of that one. Good planet of death.

It's well established that Catachan takes the cake, and I don't see why people are still trying to place Fenris as running second.

moonshine wrote:I think an un-armed Catachan could kill an fully armed tribesman from Fenris on open ground, think about it :

1) A Catachan grows up on a world where everything tries to kill you and he has probably doddged enough Catachan devils and poisen plants to be able to dodge an axe.

2) That same Catachan would be faster than a Tribesman, the Catachan has probably had to run away in the middle of a forest where everything tries to kill him so loicaly he would be very agile and fast.

3) A Catachan has to get through the jungles so he would be pretty strong and have tuff vines that need to be broken.

4) Catachans can snap an Orks kneck in combat, Imagine what he would do to a tribesman.

5) the Catachan would be familiar with knife fighting and would knock the axe out of the Fenrisians hand (the Fenrisian would probably miss him and end up having to pull his axe back up) and I think a good roundhouse kick from a Catachan or a punch in the face from him would kill a tribesman or at least stun him whilst the Catachan breaks his kneck.

you forgot a little detail, apart of all you mentioned, Catachan has a greater gravity than most planets, obviously not as great as the planets where the ogryns came from, but enough to affect the grow of the population...i mean, all Catachans (men and women) seems at least, fit if not entirely muscle bounded, due in great mesure for the gravity, for a Catachan, to move, fight, jump, whatever in a more normal gravity, it's a kids game!

Yeah that aswell, I don' think it would be easy for a Fenrisian to hurt Catachan

winnertakesall wrote:

Ogiwan wrote:

NagothDaCleaver wrote:Fenris in Most definitely a Deathworld. The newest Space Wolf codex lists it among the three worst Deathworlds known to man.

Wait, three Deathworlds known to man? What sort of crock is that? There are a lot more than three deathworlds. I'm fairly sure the Catachan 'dex mentions like a half-dozen.

The three worst.

Oops. My bad for misreading.

Emperors Faithful wrote:@Warboss: Where are the deadly trees on Fenris? BTW, if something can't try and kill you, it isn't really classed as deadly.

umm no that's not how it works, one thing actually trying to kill another does not make it deadly it just shows intent to kill. A 3 year old with a rubber duck could try to kill someone that dosen't mean that he or she is deadly.

If a person slips and falls off a clif that's high enough it can be deadly, but by your logic because the cliff didn't activly try to kill the person it isn't 'classed' as deadly. A soldier inhales mustard gas and it kills him, but again by your logic the gas didn't activly try to kill him so it isn't deadly. Your statement implies that only something with intelligence (as only things with intelligence can choose to try anything) can be classed as deadly. Yet hurricanes, tornados, earthquakes, fludds, fires, landslides, avalanches, explosions, gases, temperature, starvation, dehydration and many many more things which do not have intelligence (or life for that matter) and do not try to activley kill anyone are all considered deadly.

Anything that can kill wether it tries to do it or not is deadly including trees. So saying that Catachan is deadlier then Fenris because even the trees and other plants can kill you doesen't make it a harder place to live because on Fenris trees and plants can kill you as well and can be just as deadly. The differance comes when the plants of Catachan activley try to kill.

And another point to those who are saying that half the population of Catachan dies before reaching adulthood and then half again after reaching it. On Fenris when a child is born it's given an axe, if it dosen't grab the axe then it's killed because it won't be strong enough to survive and will use up resources. You may lose half your population from the dangers, but we lose a portion of ours because we kill them if they can't survive.

That being said this thread is going to go around in circles

moonshine wrote:I think an un-armed Catachan could kill an fully armed tribesman from Fenris on open ground, think about it :

1) A Catachan grows up on a world where everything tries to kill you and he has probably doddged enough Catachan devils and poisen plants to be able to dodge an axe.

2) That same Catachan would be faster than a Tribesman, the Catachan has probably had to run away in the middle of a forest where everything tries to kill him so loicaly he would be very agile and fast.

3) A Catachan has to get through the jungles so he would be pretty strong and have tuff vines that need to be broken.

4) Catachans can snap an Orks kneck in combat, Imagine what he would do to a tribesman.

5) the Catachan would be familiar with knife fighting and would knock the axe out of the Fenrisians hand (the Fenrisian would probably miss him and end up having to pull his axe back up) and I think a good roundhouse kick from a Catachan or a punch in the face from him would kill a tribesman or at least stun him whilst the Catachan breaks his kneck.

Okay, since we're going to make ridiculous claims based on fallacious logic and rampant fanboyisms; ahem.

1) A Fenrisian grows up on a world where everything tries to kill you and he has probably dodged enough enemies weapons or claws/ teeth of ferocious animals to be able to dodge a bulky catachan.

2) That same Fenrisian would be faster than a Catachan, the Fenrisian has probably had to run away in the middle of a frozen ocean/ snow-covered wasteland where it is incredibly difficult to run at all, AND everything tries to kill him so logicaly he would be very agile and fast.

3) A Fenrisian has to trudge through the snowdrifts, or oar a ship for most of his life, so he would be pretty strong.

4) At least one young Fenrisian kills an ice troll, after it slaughters his entire family (Space Wolf). If a 10-14 year old Fenrisian youth can kill a ferocious beast at least as big as a Astartes, how difficult could a bulky human be, for the kids?

5) The Fenrisian would be familiar with axe fighting, and would know how to use his weapon. (Hey, he IS still alive at this point in his career, right?). I think a good axe swing/ spear thrust from the Fenrisian would just kill the Catachan.



You see? This is rather silly.

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:@Warboss: Where are the deadly trees on Fenris? BTW, if something can't try and kill you, it isn't really classed as deadly.

umm no that's not how it works, one thing actually trying to kill another does not make it deadly it just shows intent to kill. A 3 year old with a rubber duck could try to kill someone that dosen't mean that he or she is deadly.

If a person slips and falls off a clif that's high enough it can be deadly, but by your logic because the cliff didn't activly try to kill the person it isn't 'classed' as deadly. A soldier inhales mustard gas and it kills him, but again by your logic the gas didn't activly try to kill him so it isn't deadly. Your statement implies that only something with intelligence (as only things with intelligence can choose to try anything) can be classed as deadly. Yet hurricanes, tornados, earthquakes, fludds, fires, landslides, avalanches, explosions, gases, temperature, starvation, dehydration and many many more things which do not have intelligence (or life for that matter) and do not try to activley kill anyone are all considered deadly.

Nice semantic arguement here. You done?

Anything that can kill wether it tries to do it or not is deadly including trees. So saying that Catachan is deadlier then Fenris because even the trees and other plants can kill you doesen't make it a harder place to live because on Fenris trees and plants can kill you as well and can be just as deadly. The differance comes when the plants of Catachan activley try to kill.

What exactly are Fenrisians doing that makes the trees deadly?

Because you're failing so far.

On Fenris when a child is born it's given an axe, if it dosen't grab the axe then it's killed because it won't be strong enough to survive and will use up resources.

Which is really dumb and superstitious when you think about it, and nothing like the natural way in which Catachan's are weaned out.