Wraithseer

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Events/Wraithseer.html



Corsair's

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Events/Corsairs.html



edit: moved direct picture link to a personal host.

I'm not sure what to make of the Corsairs. The helmets are nice, the weapon arms too...but the backpacks are weird.

The Wraithseer is flipping awesome though.

The corsairs look like an homage to some of the Eldar artwork in the Rogue Trader book. I like em.

They definitely have a RT vibe to them, but the backpacks just make me think of them as evil butterflies.

I may swap out the Dire Avengers I'm running in my pirate Saim Hann list and use these as counts as. The Seer is behutifuwl, though I don't know how I'm gonna get it into what I'm using currently.

Very happy with these!

Forgeworld is really pumping out a lot of Eldar stuff recently. I wonder if this means we can expect a codex of them after the three confirmed ones are done. (Necrons, Tau, Sisters)

They've really been putting out a lot of awesome models.

Sasori wrote:Forgeworld is really pumping out a lot of Eldar stuff recently. I wonder if this means we can expect a codex of them after the three confirmed ones are done. (Necrons, Tau, Sisters)

They've really been putting out a lot of awesome models.

Maybe, but the reason they've been pumping out a lot of Eldar stuff is because the Eldar are going to be in the next Imperial Armour

Space Wolves, Elysians, and Cadians fighting against the Eldar on an Eldar homeworld, essentially kept in 'deep storage' by a Craftworld.

Man I gotta buy so much stuff now.. However forgeworld HAS answered a very important question

Q: What comes out of an eldar cocoon?
A: Corsair buttferflies!

I'm not sure if I believe these are real... given the day they're posted on! IMO the Corsairs aren't up to usual Eldar quality. Everything about them looks wierd. Especially the Shuriken Pistol + CCW arms.

Radical_Edward wrote:I'm not sure if I believe these are real... given the day they're posted on! IMO the Corsairs aren't up to usual Eldar quality. Everything about them looks wierd. Especially the Shuriken Pistol + CCW arms.

Uh, considering that "Corsairs" were one of the kits listed for this Imperial Armour--they're pretty much guaranteed to be real.

Hm, that wraithseer would make a pretty nice alternative to the Avatar.

Radical_Edward wrote:I'm not sure if I believe these are real... given the day they're posted on! IMO the Corsairs aren't up to usual Eldar quality. Everything about them looks wierd. Especially the Shuriken Pistol + CCW arms.

Not everything on april 1st is a joke btw.. Why would FW make an entire newsletter just to fool people into believing theyre releasing NEW units for something they've already said they're releasing NEW units for?

According to Silver, "April Fool's Day ends at noon" over in the UK

I don't know what time Oni got the newsletter, but it was in my mailbox at 5:11PM in the UK.

Holy feth those are awesome out of control.

All Wraithlords should come with D-Cannons standard.

Kanluwen wrote:According to Silver, "April Fool's Day ends at noon" over in the UK

I don't know what time Oni got the newsletter, but it was in my mailbox at 5:11PM in the UK.

12:09 PM EST.

I'm calling it legit.

Kirasu wrote:

Radical_Edward wrote:I'm not sure if I believe these are real... given the day they're posted on! IMO the Corsairs aren't up to usual Eldar quality. Everything about them looks wierd. Especially the Shuriken Pistol + CCW arms.

Not everything on april 1st is a joke btw.. Why would FW make an entire newsletter just to fool people into believing theyre releasing NEW units for something they've already said they're releasing NEW units for?

I have trouble believing that companies would dabble in confusion by putting out real updates on a world-renowned prank day.

Doesn't really matter to me, though, I don't play using IA rules, and these guys don't look like they'll be migrated into the GW Codex...

Business doesnt stop on april 1st.. I find it extremely hard to believe that FW would create fake resin pieces, fake wraithlord models and then paint the fake models. Then they would create a fake newsletter talking about their FW open day and encouraging prerelease orders that cost REAL money and makes them REAL profit..

The benefit of all this work? Uh lost potential sales and man hours used to create such an elaborate hoax

Aprils fools jokes usually involve photoshopped pictures and witty yet absurd remarks that trick gullible people into believing theyre true. Those however take very little effort

Could it all be fake? Sure I suppose.. and if thats true then I will be amazed at the amount of time they have to waste over there :p

Does anyone actually think they they made these models and painted them to prank you guys? April fools jokes should be funny that would just be tormenting eldar fans.

I can only hope they put this much thought and skill into one or two Space Wolf Models for this new book. While I do not play Eldar these are just beautiful.

That Wraithseer is very nice indeed, the embleshiments make it on another level of cool for me.

Kirasu wrote:

Radical_Edward wrote:I'm not sure if I believe these are real... given the day they're posted on! IMO the Corsairs aren't up to usual Eldar quality. Everything about them looks wierd. Especially the Shuriken Pistol + CCW arms.

Not everything on april 1st is a joke btw.. Why would FW make an entire newsletter just to fool people into believing theyre releasing NEW units for something they've already said they're releasing NEW units for?

Because GW/FW are all trolls.

Right, cause GW or FW would never go to this much trouble for an April Fool's Joke right?

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/blogPost.jsp?aId=16100001a

Don't believe everything you see on the interwebs people!

Ooooh, that Wraithseer will be great for making a Banshee Exarch Wraithlord with a giant Executioner.

So is the Wraithseer really a psyker or just a Wraithlord that doesn't need to be babysat?

Arschbombe wrote:Ooooh, that Wraithseer will be great for making a Banshee Exarch Wraithlord with a giant Executioner.

So is the Wraithseer really a psyker or just a Wraithlord that doesn't need to be babysat?

Likely really a psyker, now that we've got Librarian Dreadnoughts

these are just way cool, and I'm actually liking the Corsairs more than the Wraithseer (not that it isn't awesome!). Of course I'm now thinking of coverting them into Wasp Aspect Warriors... or perhaps Dragonfly Aspect Warrior - just put some nice big, bug-like goggles on 'em ; )

... however, I can't help but be worried that they're an April Fools...

Dear Sweet Jeebus, please let this NOT be a joke. Okay, except the butterfly-wings part.

Crap. It's probably a joke.

Forge World doesn't do April Fool's. Period.

However, you can pretty much be guaranteed that it is especially not a joke when they put up that the product will be available for purchase in limited numbers on Sunday--when fans can make their day miserable

MUST HAVE ALL. Seriously, amazing stuff.

Look nice - particularly the Wraithseer. Makes me wish I had money to spend right now...

And the wings on the Corsairs were a pleasant surprise. I can't remember the last time I saw a picture of Eldar with those.

Why do I get the feeling the Wraithseer is a private conversion turned April's 1st joke? The hands seem awfully clunky...

If it is, wow, is that a jerky move.

Wraithseer is supercool, and I like the dragonfly looking troops

It won't be. Once again:

Forge World does not do April Fool's Jokes, nor do they actually display conversions from their employees in the newsletter.

Do you sometimes see conversions of stuff like that at the Forge World Open Day, Games Days, or in the Imperial Armour books?

Yeah. Yeah, you do. But at Open+Games Days, they very clearly tell you "this is a conversion done by X, ask him how he did it!".

I love the Wraithseer, but the Corsairs just look like guardians with crappy insect wing backpacks.

That wraithseer is out of control. FW be praised! (Now to forget those dispaoointing Cadian upgrades.) What an amazing unit idea -- hopefully it will get adopted for a new Eldar dex, whenever it comes around.

augustus5 wrote:I love the Wraithseer, but the Corsairs just look like guardians with crappy insect wing backpacks.

To be fair, that's what the original Rogue Trader art for Eldar looked like. They had bug wings.

I'm mainly concerned about the fact that those puppies will snap very, very easily.

Looks like they're packin' lasweapons, which is a nice return as well. Those of us with significant stockpiles of the old Eldar weapon frames are going to have some pretty easy conversions on our hands. Those, a press-mold of the Vyper pilot head, some plasticard wings- blammo.

But I'll definitely buy the wraithlord kit. Man, is that thing pretty.

EDIT- Just realized how detailed the backpacks are- screw converting, I'm buying the FW stuff. Nice works, guys.

Also, this might mean some jump infantry that don't suck as bad as the Hawks do right now. C'mon FW, gimme some rules that make me want to blow cash on your products!

I do love that the corsair leader has a fusion pistol. Are those guns something new too, I suppose?

The wraithseer is a lovely model - almost makes me regret trading off all of my eldar. But the Corsairs.... THEY make we want to start a new army altogether with a very specific theme:



But do I start with a SOB or a Daemonette base for Dr. Girlfriend?

Scottywan82 wrote:I do love that the corsair leader has a fusion pistol. Are those guns something new too, I suppose?

I just realized that Oni forgot to post the description included. There seems to be an explanation as to that

Forge World Corsair blurb wrote:There are many bands of so-called ‘Corsair’ Eldar scattered across the galaxy, and all are savage and deadly raiders. Outcasts from the strict confines of the Craftworlds, the Corsairs live in self-imposed exile, seeking to explore the galaxy and experience the full gamut of emotion and sensation accessible to the Eldar’s sensitive psyche.

Most are young and adventurous Eldar who will eventually return to their homes older, wiser and tempered by warfare. Some, however, embrace the raider’s life completely and fall further still, becoming ever more bloodthirsty and psychotic, indulging their darkest impulses and eventually seeking out the infamous Dark City.

Here's the piece for the Wraithseer:

Forge World Wraithseer blurb wrote:Rare and precious beyond compare, their souls protected from the predations of Slaanesh within spirit stones, long-dead Warlocks of great power can still be summoned to aid their Craftworld in the form of a Wraithseer. Armed with a lethal D-Cannon and a Wraithblade wreathed in the eldritch energy of their psychic arts, a Wraithseer is a terrible and implacable foe.

So it pretty much tells us Wraithseers will be Psykers, and that Corsairs can eventually become Dark Eldar.

Fun!

interesting that the Corsairs are a third Eldar faction, and that they're a link between the Craftworlds and Commorragh. I wonder if there's possibilities for Dark Eldar to move to the Craftworlds? [I know that there's one DE that goes to a C'world in path of the Warrior, but are there more?]

I love them both, seriously! That and the battle board extension = winning...duh!

I don't mind the packs on the corsairs, makes me think of a kind of delicate looking 'aether sail' or something, which in my take on Eldar, works just fine.

My only nitpick would be to say I am not a huge fan of 'browless' Eldar helmets, and I miss the ol' Jes Goodwyn style runes on the front, although I realize they aren't aspect warriors. It is just something I always liked aesthetically.

Still, very nice, Eldar players and collectors should be very happy with FW these days!

finnan wrote:interesting that the Corsairs are a third Eldar faction, and that they're a link between the Craftworlds and Commorragh. I wonder if there's possibilities for Dark Eldar to move to the Craftworlds? [I know that there's one DE that goes to a C'world in path of the Warrior, but are there more?]

Path of the Warrior touches on this a bit.

Long story short -

Keep in mind that going the Craftworld->Corsair->Dark Eldar route essentially involves giving into the basic nature of the Eldar psyche, whereas going the opposite route essentially involves denying that. As such, the former is going to be a lot more common than the latter.

Wraithseer is a must have for me, but I don't like the Corsairs at all: They are just Guardians with ugly Rogue Trader era Eldar helmets and funny fairy wings. Not at all having the pirate feeling.

BTW BigBarryJazz over at Warseer posted the original Rogue Trade art:

They look like the original swooping hawks, from Space Marine.

LOVE the Corsairs. I've been planning to do conversions based on the original Rogue Trader art for a while. These are a dream come true.

I'm definitely going to pickup the wraithseer i love it , i'll make a great center piece for my next army.

I would be interested to see if the Corsair parts will work on the Dark Eldar Warriors kit. Its much more up to date/higher detail than the rather dated Guardian kit and I really think you could pull off the whole Pirate look much better with the harsher lines and generally more evil look of the DE armour. From a fluff perspective they probably should have considered this, as depending on how far away from the Path you are the more likely you are to end up with Dark Eldar equipment.

I hereby swear that when I receive my pack of Corsairs, I will paint at least one of them up like Tinkerbell.

oni wrote:

Is that a force field generator on the fore arm too? Looks similar to the autarch/avenger exarch bit. Invul on a wraithlord with a d cannon and psychic powers would spoil your day.

They had one of the Wraithseers at Adepticon today.





They did not have any of the new Corsairs out when I was going through the line though.
Ohh and here a size comparison of the new Phantom.

That Wraithseer is the sex.

Ok time to finish my reaver and build a warlord.

Kanluwen wrote:

Arschbombe wrote:Ooooh, that Wraithseer will be great for making a Banshee Exarch Wraithlord with a giant Executioner.

So is the Wraithseer really a psyker or just a Wraithlord that doesn't need to be babysat?

Likely really a psyker, now that we've got Librarian Dreadnoughts

Psychic MCs have been around for a while now. I'm just surprised it's taken GW THIS long to do one for Eldar(especially considering that Epic used to have Psytitans for them).

But it looks like the Dreadknight has another semi-mechanical Psychic MC to pal around with.

The Wraithseer is the small variant of the Warlock Titan:

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat490034a&prodId=prod1110094

Eldar Warlock Titan

A Warlock Titan contains within its wraithbone core the spirits of mighty Eldar Seers and Warlocks. As they were powerful psykers in life, so too are they in death. The psychic strength of these dead spirits, focused and amplified by the titan's wraithbone structure is phenomenal, far outstripping the powers of the living.

Kroothawk wrote:The Wraithseer is the small variant of the Warlock Titan:

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat490034a&prodId=prod1110094

Eldar Warlock Titan

A Warlock Titan contains within its wraithbone core the spirits of mighty Eldar Seers and Warlocks. As they were powerful psykers in life, so too are they in death. The psychic strength of these dead spirits, focused and amplified by the titan's wraithbone structure is phenomenal, far outstripping the powers of the living.

Good times and fond memories - I love that Warlock Titan from Space Marine/Titan Legions/Epic!

I like the Corsairs weapons more than I like the helmets.

I'm loving the attention the Eldar are getting from FW due to the next release of IA.

It does throw up some interesting questions for the next Eldar codex release though.

Why make a wraithlord psychic?

If you ask me it's a real possibility that you will be able to take 3 WL's as a single heavy support choice. Couple this with being able to upgrade one to become a Wraithseer to stop the other two from suffering wraithsight. So they will not need a babysitter.

As a side note, isn't that a large shimmer shield that the Wraithseer has on it's arm?

If it is then this will counter another one of the WL's current weaknesses namely PF or Pclaws.

This is only my own musings however it still means happy times for all Eldar players.

I am absolutely loving these. Not a huge fan of the wings on the Corsairs, but those helmets, guns, and backpacks are beautiful. The Wraithseer is excellent, I hope it has different psychic powers than the Warlocks though. Also, here's the Phantom Titan if you haven't seen it: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/News/Eldar-Phantom-Titan.html (sorry, I don't know how to embed images). Looks cool, although that starcannon sticking out of its chest looks kinda weird, it would be better if it had one on both sides.

Finally some new eldar models sweet!

I am really loving these models! Forge World is like the original GW!

Grah! FW takes more of my money again. I have to own one of these for my wraithwall army!

http://www.thehogsofwar.com/2009/10/more-wraith-army-progress.html

Hmmm....those Corsairs look nice, but my Dire Avenger Anarchists are still under my favor.

Maybe there might be some Corsair rules in the 5th Edition for Eldar...or maybe even a whole codex for them....but thats a long shot..


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Sasori wrote:Forgeworld is really pumping out a lot of Eldar stuff recently. I wonder if this means we can expect a codex of them after the three confirmed ones are done. (Necrons, Tau, Sisters)

They've really been putting out a lot of awesome models.

Honestly, its been 6 years since Eldar's last update, so I could only imagine that there getting updated soon, bro

I would imagine those eldar wings are what the Elf Jump packs are like in Artemis Fowl.

... Sorry, no one get the reference?

I like the wraithseer though.

Not keen the the Corsair's fairy wings but the kit looks like it may be a good way to make Storm Guardians.

I am loving the Wraithseer though, reminded me off my plans for a Wraithwall army

Happygrunt wrote:I would imagine those eldar wings are what the Elf Jump packs are like in Artemis Fowl.

... Sorry, no one get the reference?

I like the wraithseer though.

I get ya, now I wanna make an LEP army, it's been years since I read those books.

MandalorynOranj wrote:

Happygrunt wrote:I would imagine those eldar wings are what the Elf Jump packs are like in Artemis Fowl.

... Sorry, no one get the reference?

I like the wraithseer though.

I get ya, now I wanna make an LEP army, it's been years since I read those books.

That is exactly the picture that came to my mind when i saw them and yes, an LEP army would be cool, anyone fancy writing some prototype rules for Holly Short?

Yes, so I'm not too keen on the corsairs but the Wraithseer is awesome!

Here a short summary of information from the Forge World open day:

- IA 11 still a few months away, planned for GD release latest, rules and stats are still playtested and worked upon
- Lynx will cost more points, shadow spectres less with better stats and longer range, Hornets can fire both weapons and become a flyer
- Shadow Spectre Phoenix Lord might not see a model, not all IA11 units get a model in the near future, but all standard Eldar units with rules in it.
- Wraithlord 0-1 HQ 4++ save, several psychic powers, e.g. giving fleet to Wraith units within 6", giving one life back on 6 to dead Wraith units, and forces -1 morale save on enemies (they fall back if not passed)
- Solitaire 0-1 HQ no IC, will probably get model, carries Vortex grenade in Apoc games for 75 points, doesn't make Harlequins troops though
- Avatar Apoc datasheet gives him 2d6 wounds, loses d3 wounds for each Apoc template wailing doom shot
- Seer council
- Gyrinx cat upgrade for a captain
- All corsairs jetpack troops, several different units incl heavy weapons, wings look better in person
- Corsairs use Eldar and Dark Eldar stuff, but Dark Eldar may make an appearance in IA 12 or even IA13, maybe with big barge ship, Evaluation in process, concet sketches shown
- Phantom Titan shown but not on sale until maybe GD , plans for Warlock Titan

Loving the double hulled Raider, the big cannon on the Ravager needs a bit of streamlining though (and why there are guys hanging off the side of a gunboat I don't know).

I'm really hoping they don't screw up the rules for the Phantom. 12 all around with only a 4+ save is pretty easy to deal with even if you do have 8 structure points, I was hoping for 13 front or a 3+ all the time. Hopefully both the arm weapons get some form of additional save against being stunned or destroyed, otherwise its just going to be torrented till its stunned/crippled (and then to death) by Autocannons.
Good to know that they are working on a few more weapon options as well as the Warlock though.

Eldar Own wrote:

MandalorynOranj wrote:

Happygrunt wrote:I would imagine those eldar wings are what the Elf Jump packs are like in Artemis Fowl.

... Sorry, no one get the reference?

I like the wraithseer though.

I get ya, now I wanna make an LEP army, it's been years since I read those books.

That is exactly the picture that came to my mind when i saw them and yes, an LEP army would be cool, anyone fancy writing some prototype rules for Holly Short?

Yes, so I'm not too keen on the corsairs but the Wraithseer is awesome!

Feth that, BUTLER'S rules would be the funnest. He would be essentially a SUPER ogryn. Or, really, just Nork Dead Dog, but much smarter.

Now I am hit with the great hammer of nostalgia. Might have to make a thread on an Artemis Fowl themed army. But no more off topic chatter for me.

Man now I can't wait for IA 11 some of those espicaly the solitaire sound awesome!

That Wraithseer is SEXY.

If you ask me it's a real possibility that you will be able to take 3 WL's as a single heavy support choice. Couple this with being able to upgrade one to become a Wraithseer to stop the other two from suffering wraithsight. So they will not need a babysitter.

This would be nice. I'd finally reawaken my Wraithlords from their long slumber within the infinity Circuit.

As a side note, isn't that a large shimmer shield that the Wraithseer has on it's arm?

Yes, that's a ShimmerShield, but whether or not FW says it's a ShimmerShield is another story. It would be nice to see an invul save on WL's. Hopefully the spear will signal the return of power weapon witchblades. GW really screwed the Farseer and Warlocks when they dropped the power weapon bit from the Witchblades, made them almost, not quite but almost, useless in close combat.

- Lynx will cost more points, shadow spectres less with better stats and longer range, Hornets can fire both weapons and become a flyer
- Shadow Spectre Phoenix Lord might not see a model, not all IA11 units get a model in the near future, but all standard Eldar units with rules in it.
- Wraithseer 0-1 HQ 4++ save, several psychic powers, e.g. giving fleet to Wraith units within 6", giving one life back on 6 to dead Wraith units, and forces -1 morale save on enemies (they fall back if not passed)
- Solitaire 0-1 HQ no IC, will probably get model, carries Vortex grenade in Apoc games for 75 points, doesn't make Harlequins troops though
- Avatar Apoc datasheet gives him 2d6 wounds, loses d3 wounds for each Apoc template wailing doom shot
- Seer council
- All corsairs jetpack troops, several different units incl heavy weapons, wings look better in person
- Corsairs use Eldar and Dark Eldar stuff, but Dark Eldar may make an appearance in IA 12 or even IA13, maybe with big barge ship, Evaluation in process, concet sketches shown
- Phantom Titan shown but not on sale until maybe GD , plans for Warlock Titan

Hell YEAH! I love the Lynx, the Shadow Spectres, the Hornet and the Wasp, they WILL be posted on my wish list wall, like other FW Eldar are, allthough since i have aquired a few of the FW models, some of the pics have been removed. It would be nice to see a Phoenix Lord for the Shadow Spectres but I wouldn't count on it, there still is no Phoenix Lord for several Aspect warriors because they came into being after the original aspect shrines, Warp Spiders for example.
Gotta have one or more of those Wraithseers, that thing is beautiful, and with a Warlock Titan being planned, it becomes a must have.
The Solitaire is a nice addition to see also, and I agree with the rules for him. He has always been more of an assassin type individual anyways.
Wonder what their gonna do for a Seer Council since all you need is 1 Farseer, and 12 warlocks, and if your like me you have that many and more floating around anyways, so you already have a Seer Council.
The Corsairs are cool looking, even if others don't like the backpack setup, i do. Place the wings in a more upright position and you have Japanese Samurai banners, so I'm gonna have to get some of these as well, probably a lot of them, like 60 or so.

- Gyrinx cat upgrade for a captain

For an Eldar player this is probably gonna sound stupid, but I've never heard of a Gyrinx Cat and so I had to go google it. Found some pretty interesting stuff to read about the cats but not enough, pretty much just nothing but the basics. They are supposed to have the abilty to improve the psychics of whoever they are bonded to, so could we be looking at a way to extend the range of Farseer/Warlock powers, or will FW make it an exclusive wargear item. I guess we'll find out in IA11, I never thought I would buy one of these except for the one with the Eldar in it, but now I have got to get my hands on this book when it is released.

oni wrote:Wraithseer

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Events/Wraithseer.html



edit: moved direct picture link to a personal host.

I already have no money FW, why do you do this too me!
The whole reason I started my Eldar army was because of Wraithlords, and you bring this out! *dies of happiness*

do we know when the Corsairs and the Wraithseer will be released?

Anyone thinking the Wraithseer could be crazy?

its got a forceshield 4++ and what looks like a singing spear and a wraith cannon xD


so T8 3+ 4++ psychic powers and wraithcannon if its heavy support ill kill them xD if its a HQ god bless them

To be honest, I think that model needs some work. It might just be the paint job, but I don't like it as I like other Eldar models. The spear looks nicely segmented, so I'll model him as if he he is about to throw the spear... then maybe the other army in front... then that blank face really annoys me, so I'll need to put a bit of detail on it. Otherwise, yeah, I can see something coming out of it.

Dark Eldar tanks, and Corsairs, very cool and on my wish list!

blackshark121 wrote:To be honest, I think that model needs some work. It might just be the paint job, but I don't like it as I like other Eldar models. The spear looks nicely segmented, so I'll model him as if he he is about to throw the spear... then maybe the other army in front... then that blank face really annoys me, so I'll need to put a bit of detail on it

You mean like the super-detailed face on the plastic Wraithlord?

Wraithseer is nice, but the additional bits and not an entire kit make me a bit iffy on the pricing.

The pricing includes the plastic parts.

any pictures for those of us on work computers?

For those of you on work computers, try these photos:


Corsairs

Corsairs

Corsairs

Wraithseer

Has the Wraithseer got his pinky sticking out?
(That's his little finger to those who started giggling).

I think its an arm blade, here is another photo showing the hand.


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I kinda like the back packs w/ wings. A nod to the old rogue trader days. eldar pics had them with insect like wings.

Kroothawk wrote:The pricing includes the plastic parts.

Wait - where is the pricing? How did I miss that?

Kroothawk wrote:The pricing includes the plastic parts.

Where is your source?

Scottywan82 wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:The pricing includes the plastic parts.

Wait - where is the pricing? How did I miss that?

I don't know, because it's in the newsletter.

Forge World wrote:The Eldar Wraithseer, designed by Will Hayes, is a complete resin and plastic kit that will be available in limited numbers at the Forge World Open Day prior to its release later in April. The kit costs £34.

Forge World wrote:The Eldar Corsair Conversion Kit is designed for use with the plastic Eldar range. Designed by Will Hayes, this resin upgrade kit contains detailed weapons, jump packs and heads that enable Eldar players to convert ten plastic Eldar Guardians into Corsairs. The Corsair kit will be available in limited numbers at the Forge World Open Day, priced at £18.

I think the Corsairs will not include plastic parts, but they may sell two different packages one with the plastic parts included.

Ahhhh I see. I don't normally look there.

All this Eldar stuff - Why can't the IoM get some love for once?

It's like Imperial Armour means nothing anymore, can we start an Alan Bligh ruined WH40k and my life thread now?

notprop wrote:All this Eldar stuff - Why can't the IoM get some love for once?
It's like Imperial Armour means nothing anymore, can we start an Alan Bligh ruined WH40k and my life thread now?

Get out of this Eldar thread mon-keigh!
(And you will get your umpteenth Baneblade variant soon)

Kroothawk wrote:

notprop wrote:All this Eldar stuff - Why can't the IoM get some love for once?
It's like Imperial Armour means nothing anymore, can we start an Alan Bligh ruined WH40k and my life thread now?

Get out of this Eldar thread mon-keigh!
(And you will get your umpteenth Baneblade variant soon)

by baneblade variant you mean the stormhammer right? one can hope, but as for the Eldar maybe we'll see those missing Phoenix lords such as the warp spiders and the shinning spears. also if they are indeed doing the warlock does this mean psi titans for the imperium as well such as the old psychic warlord?

Kroothawk wrote:

notprop wrote:All this Eldar stuff - Why can't the IoM get some love for once?
It's like Imperial Armour means nothing anymore, can we start an Alan Bligh ruined WH40k and my life thread now?

Get out of this Eldar thread mon-keigh!
(And you will get your umpteenth Baneblade variant soon)

We'd better, that's all i'm saying.

£34 for the whole kit.

Bargin, and my 'not sure' status has shifted to 'purchase asap.'

I pre-ordered/saw the Wraithseer at Adepticon. Pretty cool model---I liked it.

I think the Corsairs look dull.

That Wraithseer looks incredible.

It's not a fething april fools joke you jack offs. The picture of the Wraithseer has been floating around for a few weeks now. Check on Warseer or BOLS. They had those updates ages ago.

Stop being stupid.

Mind your words: "Incredible" was meant as a praise, not indicating it being a fake.

I'm not sure who that was directed at....or why you took whatever they posted so personal----but there is no reason to be so rude.

Celtic Strike wrote:It's not a fething april fools joke you jack offs. The picture of the Wraithseer has been floating around for a few weeks now. Check on Warseer or BOLS. They had those updates ages ago.

Stop being stupid.

Listen to AgeofEgos, for he is wise.

Rules for the Wraithseer are up right here: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/w/wraithseer.pdf

What do you think? I don't see it as viable at all outside of Apoc simply because it is only really effective around large numbers of Wraithguard and Wraithlords.

MandalorynOranj wrote:Rules for the Wraithseer are up right here: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/w/wraithseer.pdf

What do you think? I don't see it as viable at all outside of Apoc simply because it is only really effective around large numbers of Wraithguard and Wraithlords.

You mean like when you use Wraithguard as Troops alongside 3 Wraithlords for an Iyanden Ghost Force outside of Apoc?

Platuan4th wrote:

MandalorynOranj wrote:Rules for the Wraithseer are up right here: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/w/wraithseer.pdf

What do you think? I don't see it as viable at all outside of Apoc simply because it is only really effective around large numbers of Wraithguard and Wraithlords.

You mean like when you use Wraithguard as Troops alongside 3 Wraithlords for an Iyanden Ghost Force outside of Apoc?

I kinda forgot about that, haha, I don't usually play high enough points to consider using it.

I dunno about everyone else, but these just don't impress me. The wraithseer just looks like a wraithlord to me. I've seen conversions that are more exciting. And, the corsairs are uninspired. Someone resculpted an old helmet, added some new guns, and slapped on super-fragile wing packs. Considering how awesome the shadow spectres are, these just seem lazy.

Kroothawk wrote:

What is it? I want it...and a Wraithseer too.

Guildsman wrote:I dunno about everyone else, but these just don't impress me. ... Someone resculpted an old helmet, added some new guns, and slapped on super-fragile wing packs. Considering how awesome the shadow spectres are, these just seem lazy.

The same could be said for all the Marine armour/weapon variants, if you're going to be really picky, and look how well received they have been. Personally I think it's great that they aren't just fleshing out RT era Marines, but have gone back to the original Eldar background and are bringing out the Raiders as a playable list and models.

Here's to FW bringing back the Necromunda Spiders, Commissar training squads and Imperial Beastmen!

Mad4Minis wrote:What is it? I want it...and a Wraithseer too.

This is a Dark Eldar "catamaran" build around a big weapon and used by Corsairs (using Craftworld and Dark Eldar stuff). WIP and will probably get rules in IA12. See also Haywire cannon Raider here: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/60/358096.page

Kroothawk wrote:

Mad4Minis wrote:What is it? I want it...and a Wraithseer too.

This is a Dark Eldar "catamaran" build around a big weapon and used by Corsairs (using Craftworld and Dark Eldar stuff). WIP and will probably get rules in IA12.

I want one. I fear the price, but I want one.

Me too, and this one:

The only thing that will make me hesitate on the twin hull...it is FW, and those long thin sections and thin sails give them ample opportunity to cast a warped up mess.

If it was someone else I wouldnt hesitate a bit.

Mad4Minis wrote:The only thing that will make me hesitate on the twin hull...it is FW, and those long thin sections and thin sails give them ample opportunity to cast a warped up mess.

If it was someone else I wouldnt hesitate a bit.

Not everyone has had your experiences with FW quality. Personally I have had nothing that warranted more than a quick bit of warming up to staighten up some pieces, no more or less than other resin manufacturers. Not everything they do is to my or everyones taste, but at least the results aren't the fudgy blurry messes of some sculpts that I recieved.

Captain Jack wrote:

Mad4Minis wrote:The only thing that will make me hesitate on the twin hull...it is FW, and those long thin sections and thin sails give them ample opportunity to cast a warped up mess.

If it was someone else I wouldnt hesitate a bit.

Not everyone has had your experiences with FW quality. Personally I have had nothing that warranted more than a quick bit of warming up to staighten up some pieces, no more or less than other resin manufacturers. Not everything they do is to my or everyones taste, but at least the results aren't the fudgy blurry messes of some sculpts that I recieved.

My FW experiences have been about 50/50 good and bad. However, the long spar sections of that twin hull design give a good chance for something to go bad. Id be pretty pissed if I got one and one side was an inch higher or lower than the other.

IMO for what FW charges I shouldnt have to heat and bend things back into place. They should take more time and care with the casting process, and give things a proper inspection before they ship them.

In comparison the 2 Armorcast battletech 28mm mechs I got were nearly flawless.

The Old Crow Sabre tank i bought was amazing. It had only 1 small blob of extra resin on the whole model, no flash, no bubbles/pits, and it had any rough sections sanded smooth and was completely free of mold release. What did all that cost me?...21 GBP, all told less than $45 USD including shipping.

FW has little excuse for much of the lack of quality they send to people, other than the fact that the rabid fanboys simply must have it, and they will pay any price for it and pay little regard to quality.

Just tell me this means a new eldar codex is coming soon... Just tell me that already.

Why should I lie to you?
But a Forge World book on Eldar is quite a good substitute

Forge world book that's eldar is good.

Prices on forge world eldar are bad.

Metal wraithguard are also bad.

Phoenix lords too...

So that's why I have orks!

Grunt_For_Christ wrote:Forge world book that's eldar is good.

Prices on forge world eldar are bad.

Metal wraithguard are also bad.

Phoenix lords too...

So that's why I have orks!

Heh. but for those of us with a bit of GS, a bit of time, and a whole bunch of extra Guardians and Wraithlords, it's a mighty fine time to get new rules for things we can make with our own two hands for free. I may not buy te models (okay, I'll buy a few), but I will definitely buy a beautiful book with well-written rules (from what I've seen so far).


Back on the rules for the Wraithseer, I see a few missing things:

[EDIT: Thanks, MandalorynOranj, missed the timing bit in the rules]

Putting Enliven or Deliverance at the beginning of the Eldar turn (like Fortune and Guide) would really, really screw us. Powers that you can't use in the turn you come on from Reserve suck- especially because heavily using Reserves is often the best way to play Eldar. So maybe shooting phase would be best for these, like how psychic powers work by default in the rulebook. Hmm. Well, at least they need to stipulate that the powers last until the beginning of the next Eldar turn.

Apart from powers, it looks pretty good.
The 3 attacks are nice, as is the option for a shoulder-mounted D-Cannon (!). A single ranged weapon isn't optimal TBH, but certainly characterful.
A 5+ for the wraithshield is kinda dumb- it really needs a 4+ as this thing will draw fire like nobody's business, and even with T8 3+ a pack of Long Fangs will take it down quick. Something you're paying points for should be at least as good as regular old cover saves.
And the points value looks quite balanced for what he's packing, given that the model isn't much more survivable than a regular Wraithlord but has a lot more punch.
The requirement for another HQ to fill the HQ slot is also both characterful and fair.

Well done, FW and Alan Bligh. Thank god you pawned Warwick off on something other than the IA series, the gaming community appreciates it!

It says the powers are used at the beginning of the turn.

Looks quite interesting. I like the theme of a raiding party.

When will the new IA be released?

Several people say "a few months away". GD UK?

yeah,

Savnock wrote:The requirement for another HQ to fill the HQ slot is also both characterful and fair.

I disagree, it would have been better have the option of having a WraithSeer lead a army.

I think it would have been better if the wraithseer made:
wraith guard count as troops / elites regardless of quantity
wraith lords elite and heavy.

I'd also like to wraithguardseers to lead squads of wraithguard

I would love to run this wraith army.

HQ wraith seer

Elite
1x wraith lord
1x wraith lord
1x wraith lord

Troops
10x wraith guard inc WGuardseer
10x wraith guard inc WGuardseer
5x wraith guard inc WGuardseer
5x wraith guard inc WGuardseer

Heavy
1x wraith lord
1x wraith lord
1x wraith lord


Panic...

Kroothawk wrote:Several people say "a few months away". GD UK?

The main jist from Forge World is that they want it released in late July.

I am very much okay with that, as it's my birthday.

They've said they want the Warhammer book to be out for GDUK, at the earliest though.

Panic wrote:yeah,

Savnock wrote:The requirement for another HQ to fill the HQ slot is also both characterful and fair.

I disagree, it would have been better have the option of having a WraithSeer lead a army.

I think it would have been better if the wraithseer made:
wraith guard count as troops / elites regardless of quantity
wraith lords elite and heavy.

I'd also like to wraithguardseers to lead squads of wraithguard

I would love to run this wraith army.

HQ wraith seer

Elite
1x wraith lord
1x wraith lord
1x wraith lord

Troops
10x wraith guard inc WGuardseer
10x wraith guard inc WGuardseer
5x wraith guard inc WGuardseer
5x wraith guard inc WGuardseer

Heavy
1x wraith lord
1x wraith lord
1x wraith lord


Panic...

"Panic!" is the word alright - and that would be fun to field!

Kanluwen wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:Several people say "a few months away". GD UK?

The main jist from Forge World is that they want it released in late July.

I am very much okay with that, as it's my birthday.

They've said they want the Warhammer book to be out for GDUK, at the earliest though.

You've got them inverted mate, Throne of Chaos is July while IA11 is going to be 'August/September-ish'