I would literally Die without Chocolate Milk, then again i am 21 and British, still......... Harsh.
EDIT: totally dig the amount of times they say 'chocolate milk' in the video.....
I would literally Die without Chocolate Milk, then again i am 21 and British, still......... Harsh.
It's a bandaid on a gunshot wound. Most school lunch programs are atrociously unhealthy and the derth of available privatized foods through vending machines makes such a move utterly ineffectual.
Somehow I feel that the chocolate milk was healthier than... well everything else my school served me... Where does this idea that schools give healthy lunchs to kids come from anyway?
LordofHats wrote:Somehow I feel that the chocolate milk was healthier than... well everything else my school served me... Where does this idea that schools give healthy lunchs to kids come from anyway?
Perkustin wrote:Yeah i would guess they should look more at the 'Sloppy joes' or whatever rather than the (comparitively) pretty healthy chocolate milk.
They should look at premade plastic wrapped danishes, chocolate bars or mountain dew. Sloppy joes are fine.
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LordofHats wrote:Somehow I feel that the chocolate milk was healthier than... well everything else my school served me... Where does this idea that schools give healthy lunchs to kids come from anyway?
The idea is that they should as its a state sponsored meal plan typically and the kids are getting fething fat. Make those little gaks eat an apple. They don't have the presence of mind to chose healthy meals for themselves, they're children.
I would literally Die without Chocolate Milk, then again i am 21 and British, still......... Harsh.
It's a bandaid on a gunshot wound. Most school lunch programs are atrociously unhealthy and the derth of available privatized foods through vending machines makes such a move utterly ineffectual.
For once (maybe its the 2nd time) I agree completely with Shuma. When I went to school, we actually had a badass salad bar if you wanted that instead of the hot lunch (which was trash put on a sub bun) but they ended up saying it was too costly, and nixed it for more trash can food.I brown bagged it from then on
I was thinking less that the schools should have healthy food, and more that they actually don't have healthy food. I'm almost certain all my school lunches were made of card board and some kind of mystery powder.
AND deep fried to add "flavor" I mean, its bad when you can literally ring out your grilled cheese sandwich. Which by most accounts should be a fairly healthy food
Perkustin wrote:Source ABC News. Though i will cite Fox news for the LULZ:
Meh, Fox is a much more trustworthy source than ABC.
Anyway, isn't this the type of nanny-state protectionism that lots of people are in favor of? If the government doesn't take care of the kids, who will?
I'm guessing my school hasn't changed from when I left it, so: there ARE apples, bananas, and oranges available. It's just that the apples are tiny, horrible tasting Red Delicious (who ever gave them that name was crazy) or Granny Smith (supposed to be sour, just end up tasteless but make milk taste bad), the bananas are shrunken little things (they were the only fruit that I could stomach), and the oranges were sour and/or dried out inside 60% of the time.
Meh, Fox is a much more trustworthy source than ABC.
Unless monsanto has something to do with it. Which this might. In which case they report lies, as proven in court, because they don't want to embarrass a major contributor and advertiser.
You know what? No. Fox news has been proven to be a compromised and untrustworthy news source on thousands upon thousands of major and minor news events. It is not worse then ABC. It's barely better then Russia Today and is actually statistically less accurate and more politically partial then Al Jazeera.
LordofHats wrote:Somehow I feel that the chocolate milk was healthier than... well everything else my school served me... Where does this idea that schools give healthy lunchs to kids come from anyway?
We had healthy lunches in my school, a salad. They made ten of them every day!
LordofHats wrote:Somehow I feel that the chocolate milk was healthier than... well everything else my school served me... Where does this idea that schools give healthy lunchs to kids come from anyway?
We had healthy lunches in my school, a salad. They made ten of them every day!
Or they had a "salad bar" which was filled with nothing but cut-rate iceberg lettuce and dried out carrot sticks!
Oy! I've drunk chocolate milk in school for eleven years so far. And I'm underweight! The milk ain't the problem, it's the rest of the food. I should know, I've been eating it for the majority of my life. Did I mention I'm underweight?
In all seriousness, that's not a horrible idea. Cutting down wherever possible will do wonders for our overweight people.
KingCracker wrote:When I went to school, we actually had a badass salad bar if you wanted that instead of the hot lunch (which was trash put on a sub bun) but they ended up saying it was too costly, and nixed it for more trash can food.I brown bagged it from then on
Man, that makes my local public colleges look good, because we DO have a salad bar that's kept fresh in our cafe, and actually quite popular here.
Mind you, it also makes freshly cooked burgers with whole wheat buns and cheddar/swiss cheeses, and other fairly healthy hot foods in properly sized portions depending on the day of the week and the whims of its cooks.
KingCracker wrote:AND deep fried to add "flavor" I mean, its bad when you can literally ring out your grilled cheese sandwich. Which by most accounts should be a fairly healthy food
When I went to school it was common practice among the kids to dab the grease off the top of their “pizza” before eating it.
It usually required two napkins…
LordofHats wrote:One thing I can definitely say improves in college. You're not eating crap anymore
What university do you go to?
There isn't anything served in mine that isn't deep fried or so loaded with salt that you're intestine’s shrivel up.
Do you want to know how they make scrambled eggs here?
They have this huge flat grill thing that they squirt some kind of white colored grease on (no its not butter I’ve asked) then some dude comes out with a huge bag of this thin bright yellow liquid (think heavy cream only it’s a bright nauseating yellow color) and dumps about a gallon of it on the grill where it floats on the grease. They then move this stuff around with big spatula’s until it looks something like scrambled eggs and then dump it on your palate where upon the grease/water runs off of it onto your wheat toast and ruining it.
Why, Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry sir!
There isn't anything served in mine that isn't deep fried or so loaded with salt that you're intestine’s shrivel up.
We definitely have unhealthy food, but the cafeteria's here have burgers, steaks, chicken, pasta's, pizza etc. Not five star mind you, but eating doesn't make me want to vomit so it passes
The only unhealthy part is the snack area, but frankly I get full just from a burger and a small salad so if I'm gonna eat lunch there I don't need to get any chips.
Other, heavier people might not be satisfied though.
I agree with Shuma's first post after reading this, it doesn't really seem like it will solve anything. Also what's to stop the kids from bringing their own lunch from home, some sort of no outside food policy?
Why do people think that the food is the problem, and not the lack of exercise? Hell, chocolate milk is probably healthy compared to the other crap most kids eat.
Blitza da warboy wrote:Why do people think that the food is the problem, and not the lack of exercise? Hell, chocolate milk is probably healthy compared to the other crap most kids eat.
It's not so much what people "think" as it is an "easy target" quick "fix"...
It's much easier (and cheaper) to blame chocolate milk for contributing to obesity in children than it is to over haul the entire public school lunch program on a national level.
...Not that I see either chocolate milk or greasy cardboard pizza as the main contributing factors to begin with (though both are to a lesser degree IMO),I belive the chief cause of child obesity stems from the sedentary lifestyle most kids seem to lead.
I think people should start using English properly.
That is, 'banning' means telling other people to stop doing something. So 'banning chocolate milk' would involve government actually going around and telling private companies they were no longer allowed to sell chocolate milk to private consumers. In this case the government isn't banning anything, it's just looking at no longer providing chocolate milk in its schools. Which is nowhere near as exciting, but the truth rarely is.
biccat wrote:Meh, Fox is a much more trustworthy source than ABC.
That statement is, of course, absurd.
Anyway, isn't this the type of nanny-state protectionism that lots of people are in favor of? If the government doesn't take care of the kids, who will?
Umm, it's the government taking care of kids in government run schools. Oh no!
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It's a bandaid on a gunshot wound. Most school lunch programs are atrociously unhealthy and the derth of available privatized foods through vending machines makes such a move utterly ineffectual.
Gotta say I think you just nailed it Shuma, I remember watching a documentary on an obese american schoolkid, the school she attended offered a breakfast menu that included pizzas and cheesecake. If this is typical of American school catering then you can ban whatever milk with whatever flavour you like from schools, the kids are still gonna be fat because they are shovelling cake and pizza into thier face-holes at 9am or whatever time school starts.
And that's not to say Americans are the only ones to blame, I remember my school dinners here in the land of daffodils and nervous sheep, Healthiest (edible) thing on our menu was pasta, and even that seemed to be swimming in grease. Heck we had fruit available, but it was always of a pretty rubbish quality (you know, the bananas are more or less completely brown and the apples have those wierd bruises all over them). Most of the stuff they served had that high a grease content it would turn the plates it was on transparent!
But I suppose also the culture is to blame, I mean we had a vending machine that sold chocolate bars etc, but the only thing that never sold out was the healthy options like tracker bars and nutri-grain.
LordofHats wrote:I was thinking less that the schools should have healthy food, and more that they actually don't have healthy food. I'm almost certain all my school lunches were made of card board and some kind of mystery powder.
And surplus government cheese. Kids are getting fat because their asses sit in front of video games all day. They don't actually doanything.
yes banning chocolate milk truly is the cure to obesity, if only we knew this sooner we could of stopped it, at least now no person will ever be obese again, you can eat those greasy burgers and those buckets of KFC, feel free to add extra bacon to your bacon, egg, sausage and ketchup sandwich, because now chcolate milk is being banned.
hell in south america dads already murder there trailer daughters for drinking chocolate milk......or am I thinking of something else
Even if chocolate is fattening , it might be the only little what nutrient they are taking daily ... while god knows what worse drinks they have at home....
I work at a High School and the quality of the food has dropped dramatically. The food could be healthier but I do not think it is the main problem. Perhaps this is the only thing the state has control of, so they are making a point to make a difference.
The problem though isn't school food. It is all that crap they eat after school and the lack of doing anything other than playing video games and chatting on Facebook. I can't remember the last time I saw a kid riding a bike, climbing a tree, or running around with a plastic toy gun make pew pew noises at a friend.
I gained all my weight once I stopped exercising and getting out of the house to do things. Sitting behind a desk or working with students on a smartboard is no replacement for working in Produce or lifting weights like I used too.
I agree with what a few posters before have already said; the food isn't the problem. It's lack of excercise. At our school, rather than doing the mile run, our students have an option of a mile walk, because many students aren't phsyically capable of running a mile. It would be comical if it wasn't so sad. Look at them after walking the mile and you'd think they just went for 10 mile sprint through a mine-littered warzone.
And then of course they go home and plug into their xboxes for the rest of the day.
Or more appropriately, the portions of the food are.
Compare American portions to European portions or Japanese portions.
Ehh, I'd have to disagree. As long as you excercise enough to compensate for how much you eat, portion size doesn't matter as much. If all you do is sit on the couch playing xbox, eating 7000 calories a day is probably not a great idea. However, if you run an ultra every weekend, then you can probably afford to eat much more than xbox boy.
I mean, there's also food quality to take into account. Johnny and Bobby can both bike 30 miles a day, but if Johnny eats nothing but big macs and fried chicken, and Bobby eats nothing but raw foods and whole grains, Bobby will most likely be more healthy.
But as long as your excercise level lines up with your calorie intake, then portion size generally doesn't matter too much.
I agree. Back in my days of weightlifting I had to eat a lot more calories than normal, just to maintain the mass. Heck the strongest guy in the world, eats a few large pizzas and some hardees thickburgers everyday.
biccat wrote:The chocolate milk situation isn't nearly as bad as this one.
Refusing to allow kids to bring their lunches? A little absurd imo.
Is is absurd, but I bet the reason for it is to stop food from being brought in that is inappropriate. They should be able to pack their lunch, but a constantly updated list of prohibited foods should be made. It would be a lot of work though.
I see kids everyday bringing in large pizzas, fast food, etc. If you are banning stuff like Pepsi, then a student packing their lunch would cause problems, if they included it as part of their meal.
I liked the third comment regarding the banning of packed lunches though:
I recommend a student bring a healthy lunch which meets their individual needs packed by their parent. If a school official demands they relinquish possession of the food, the student should state, "This is my property. It is my food. I am hungry. I have no money to buy the lunch product you are selling. I do not give you permission to take my lunch and steal food from a hungry child. I will call the police if this theft occurs. I will prosecute to the furthest extent of the law." When/if the school official physically removes these nutrients (as provided by the parents) from the possession of this child, the authorities should be called and a police report detailing the stolen property should be immediately filed. It may not be a bad idea for the child to physically defend themselves and their property during the robbery, so assault and battery charges can be filed as well. We'll see how committed the principal is to her philosophy of violating civil liberties, mandating individual food choices without personal dietary assessments, and forcing citizens attending tax payer funded schools to buy products from this government entity or their surrogate chosen vendor. School principals do not have the legal authority to determine that children must starve or eat what the government dictates. That would be the most ridiculous message ever taught in American public schools.
biccat wrote:The chocolate milk situation isn't nearly as bad as this one.
Refusing to allow kids to bring their lunches? A little absurd imo.
Is is absurd, but I bet the reason for it is to stop food from being brought in that is inappropriate. They should be able to pack their lunch, but a constantly updated list of prohibited foods should be made. It would be a lot of work though.
Who the feth put them in charge? Its their parents making the lunches. They have ultimate authority, not some nattering nabob with an undergrad in Education sucking off the government dole because they can't get a real job.
This is why so many public schools suck. Instead of spending that money on qualified teachers, they spend it on support losers who are a waste of skin. Death to the Bureacracy! Vive le Operations!
Is it wrong that I can picture a young, bearded you sitting in the canteen getting hammered from the booze hidden in your brown bag?
Wait, you say it like its a bad thing.
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Soladrin wrote:What the hell is a sloppy joe...
Its the crappier, Loser version of a barbeque sandwich. Basically ground mystery meat with some sort of tomato based sauce. It can be decent when its beef or pork and not school lunch mystery meat (now with more cat!).
It's ground beef in sauce served on a hamburger bun. Damn good, but damn unhealthy.
On a side note, god am I glad I went to a private school. Sometimes I swear our $30k a year tuition was worth it just for the food, mind you the students STILL complained, but our complaint were more along the lines that our roast beef was served too dry, and that the chefs couldn't make a proper cordon bleu to save their life. Holy were we spoiled.....
And as an American studying in the UK, I can vouch for smaller portions. I definitely feel like I'm eating smaller meals here, and I kinda like it. Makes it easier to keep an eye on my weight.
As for the banning of chocolate milk, just one more example of how our government usually acts, unfortunately doing things that sound good to the public ear instead of doing things that don't sound as catchy but do more work is a side product of democracy. Politicians want to get reelected, and they'll do things that get them cheers from their constituents instead of things that might actually solve the problems.
Or more appropriately, the portions of the food are.
Compare American portions to European portions or Japanese portions.
Ehh, I'd have to disagree. As long as you excercise enough to compensate for how much you eat, portion size doesn't matter as much. If all you do is sit on the couch playing xbox, eating 7000 calories a day is probably not a great idea. However, if you run an ultra every weekend, then you can probably afford to eat much more than xbox boy.
I mean, there's also food quality to take into account. Johnny and Bobby can both bike 30 miles a day, but if Johnny eats nothing but big macs and fried chicken, and Bobby eats nothing but raw foods and whole grains, Bobby will most likely be more healthy.
But as long as your excercise level lines up with your calorie intake, then portion size generally doesn't matter too much.
This is all true, but eating habits, like all habits, take work to change. People who are on a routine of heavy exercise, with accompanying high caloric intake, who then scale back the exercise (whether due to injury or other lifestyle change) have to be especially careful and work hard to cut down on the calories too, or all of a sudden all those calories start adding weight, since they're no longer being burned at such a rate.
Of course however much you want to eat is cool. You're just going to be healthier if you're smart about it, eat good foods, and exercise to match.
It's probably (overall) healthiest to maintain a relatively low level of caloric intake, as well as moderate exercise. IIRC low calorie lifestyles also put less stress on the body and contribute to greater longevity, too, no? If we're instilling good habits in kids while they're young and ignorant, moderate exercise and moderate food intake are probably the best ones. Highly athletic kids should get extra nutritional ed/training so they can modify appropriately when they eventually stop exercising so much.
Whenever I visit Europe I take note of the smaller portion sizes, and remind myself that I'm not getting ripped off; it's healthier this way.
When my son was in 2nd grade he could not eat anything deemed “unhealthy”. My son is a very active kid so throwing a bag of Doritos into his lunch once in awhile was no big deal, but he was told he could not eat them and would get detention if he brought them again. Then to add insult to injury, if a child received an award for anything the prize would be that the principle of the school would take them out to lunch… to Burger King! WTF?! Oh and as for their concern with our kids health, at recess and lunch, the kids are NOT allowed to run on the playground because someone might fall and get hurt.
Perhaps just cut the lunch program from American school's all together? Let the parents pack their kids lunches. Thats what we do here in Canada, elementary school's don't have cafeteria's, we would just set up tables in the gym, and eat whatever our parents packed for us. And that seems to be working, yes many Canadians are overweight, as Canadian and American culture(and eating habits) are very similer, yet the obesity rate here is still lower.
Also as a side note, are the school lunches provided by the school? Or do the kids have to pay for them?
Thaanos wrote:Perhaps just cut the lunch program from American school's all together? Let the parents pack their kids lunches. Thats what we do here in Canada, elementary school's don't have cafeteria's, we would just set up tables in the gym, and eat whatever our parents packed for us. And that seems to be working, yes many Canadians are overweight, as Canadian and American culture(and eating habits) are very similer, yet the obesity rate here is still lower.
Also as a side note, are the school lunches provided by the school? Or do the kids have to pay for them?
Kids have to pay, unless their family qualifies for the "free or reduced lunch program", which is fairly self-explanatory. That was part of the initial push for school lunches over here, for lower-income kids who couldn't bring in lunches, or whose parents were too busy to make their lunches. The schools around me have an electronic system where each kid has a number (usually 4 digits) that's linked to an account parents can put money into and track.
However, most school lunches are very cheap (around $2.50 w/ milk), so it's attractive to parents.
So,after talking to my kids and looking over their school lunch menu,I've come to the conclusion that for the most part not much has changed in school lunches in the past 30+ years.
Same sort of pizza/burgers/sloppy joe/chocolate milk fair that existed when I was in grade and high school,in fact...it appeared to me that there are even more "healthy" options on the current menus than existed when I was in school.
We didn't have a salad bar (at least not until my last few years of high school),fruit and vegetables seem to be about equaly represented (then to now) and we also had access to vending machines for chips/cookies/pastries..etc.
So...once again I am forced to assume that the priblem of childhood obesity is not so much the food our kids are eating at school...as it is a problem of a more inactive (butts parked in front of video games) lifestyle.
I always laugh when those ads come on TV targeting fatsos telling them that they can lose weight by eating pizza and eating chocolate cake. I've gone from suburban nintendo champion doughboy to Iron Hippy losing over 35kg by exercise and changing what I eat and when. I still eat gak once and a while and I drink a case of beer a week. There is no quick solution. You have to commit to yourself....and pound the brews.
As for kids, I figure it's inactivity. The school lunches here are around 800Kcal a day without any kind of "junk food". They make the kids run around the track 3 times a week for 20 mins at recess time. There are roughly 1 or 2 fat kids per school, so about 1% of the school population. Kids have to walk everywhere as there is no school bus generally, unless they live on the other side of Monkey Mountain. The last time I was in Canuckistan, I vividly remember the parade of cars in front of the local schools around 3 pm, parents buying their kids Timbits and that Cappuchino whipped cream melted milkshake from Horny Tim's. So, in both cases the kids are getting about 1000Kcal, but in one case they're active.
You know what we got to eat at school? NOTHING. You brought your own god damn bread. Stop giving kids money for school lunches and pack a bloody lunch. It's cheaper and healthier. There, fixed it.
micahaphone wrote:Hell, anything made with venison is good.
Including Jello.
.... ..Ok..I don't know so much about "Venison Jello", I'm a certified coonass ,and will eat just about anything...but even I might have to draw the line at that.
Which...getting back on topic..brings to mind the fact that,even the food we ate at home as kids wasn't exactly "healthy",you could actually skim the grease off my Grandmothers Gumbo,yet...most of us were in pretty good shape as kids...
Again,I have to atribute this to the fact that we were all active...spent every hour we could outside running and playing and didn't have the first clue what a video game was...(well not until I was 12 or so).
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Mannahnin wrote:I am drooling right now. Can't remember the last time I had venison chili. And that spaghetti sounds awesome, FITZZ.
I'd be more than happy to share the recipe for it...
I knew what video games were! They were those awesome things like Gauntlet I could blow a few quarters on at the arcade when we drove out to the beach! And those terribly annoying and limited things that took so much time to program ourselves into the TRS-80!
Give pre-14 year old me the outdoors, my bike and a stick for day to day entertainment, though.
Edit: I'd be more than happy to see and drool over that recipe! Maybe even cook it sometime soon. I make homemade meat sauce regularly.
Mannahnin wrote:I knew what video games were! They were those awesome things like Gauntlet I could blow a few quarters on at the arcade when we drove out to the beach! And those terribly annoying and limited things that took so much time to program ourselves into the TRS-80!
Give pre-14 year old me the outdoors, my bike and a stick for day to day entertainment, though.
Edit: I'd be more than happy to see and drool over that recipe! Maybe even cook it sometime soon. I make homemade meat sauce regularly.
The first time I even saw a video game was when I was perhaps 8 or so,it was a "Pong" display that had been sat up in a local department store...
The first Atari and Intelevision systems came out a few years later...my family got one when I was 13 or so,and truth be told...it got dull rather quickly...I was much more content to find my fun outside.
From what I remember of grade school. It's not the chocolate milk or the lunches themselves. It is the vending machines and outside food. I went to Catholic School, but it wasn't like an expensive private school we were not getting fancy food. I've always loved milk, 1% regular being my favorite. 1% chocolate milk isn't bad and was one of the only ways to get kids to drink milk, I remember kids giving me their milk because they wouldn't drink it. Chocolate milk was 10 cents extra, but everyone who got a lunch got milk and we had a lady that made sure you ate all your food and drank all your milk, they would actually make you dump your carton over the garbage can.
The problem is
1. Vending machines. The amount of soda available to kids is really bad. These things are evil, but the schools get kickbacks. School funding is tight and they will take it anyway they can get it.
2. Fast food lunches. Seriously some school public grade school have burger king, McDonalds and taco bells!
3. Cuts to phys ed. Kids get literally no exercise now.
4. Parents catering to their children. I've seen kids who's parents just let them eat what they want and pack them lunches of pizza hut. Yes it's their right, but common sense please.
Speaking of this reminds me. I like water and hate soda. Most people hate water will just drink soda. Gamers especially. I have seen so many mountain dew and monster fueled gamers to make me ill. So my wife doesn't really like water either. She bought this stuff called MIO, you squirt it into your water and it tastes pretty good, like really good, not like nasty diet soda. NO CALORIES. It comes in a little pocket sized container so you can take it with you. Try it if you hate water and put the soda down. Coke is meant to be mixed with rum or whiskey.
All this food talk has reminded me of the Meatloaf thread from a few weeks ago. I remember promising to post some pics and my recipe. I took the pics, just give me a bit to write down the recipe. I am making a pulsa rokkit right now.
Holy crap, they allow fast food restaurants inside schools?
Also, as far as water: show them the basic outdoor first-aid data. Soda actually dehydrates you. Or give them some short hike: 2-3 miles, and see how well they do on soda.
While the Americans are trying to ban chocolate mile from school, us Canadians are selling it on every street corner and every second radio ad is claiming that chocolate milk is the best drink around, good for you, great for sports, energy and concentration. Sigh...
On a side note, school lunches where I go to school involve greasy garlic fingers and pizza that you cn twist and have a little puddle of yet more grease drip on to your plate. Oh and they have put pop/soda/fizzy drinks back in the vending machines!
"On a recent afternoon at Amador Valley High School in Pleasanton, Calif., students sat at picnic tables and bit into McDonald’s cheeseburgers, Subway sandwiches and Quiznos flatbreads. They didn’t have to travel far to get their fast-food fix for lunch. In fact, they didn’t even have to leave campus. The burgers and sandwiches were available right inside their school cafeteria.
As they try to keep pace with student taste, lunchrooms across the country have given up meatloaf and mashed potatoes for brand-name fast-food items. In Edmond, Okla., middle school students load up their trays with Chick-Fil-A sandwiches. In Niskayuna, NY, elementary-schoolers get slices of Pizza Hut, fresh from the deliveryman. In Livermore, Calif., the high school cafeteria offers Panda Express rice bowls, Little Caesar’s pizza and burritos from a local chain."
micahaphone wrote:Venison (or any wild game) is the best for chili.
I had venison chili a couple of months ago. It was better than other venison I've had, but still quite a ways below non-venison chili. Venison's always bland, dry, and grainy. Like liver or tongue, only a little less so.
micahaphone wrote:Venison (or any wild game) is the best for chili.
I had venison chili a couple of months ago. It was better than other venison I've had, but still quite a ways below non-venison chili. Venison's always bland, dry, and grainy. Like liver or tongue, only a little less so.
I've been eating venison since I was a boy and have never had any that could be described as "bland,dry or grainy"...perhaps whoever is preparing the venison you had just doesn't know how to cook it.
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FITZZ wrote: Wait...McDonalds and Burger King inside public school cafiterias...???
"On a recent afternoon at Amador Valley High School in Pleasanton, Calif., students sat at picnic tables and bit into McDonald’s cheeseburgers, Subway sandwiches and Quiznos flatbreads. They didn’t have to travel far to get their fast-food fix for lunch. In fact, they didn’t even have to leave campus. The burgers and sandwiches were available right inside their school cafeteria.
As they try to keep pace with student taste, lunchrooms across the country have given up meatloaf and mashed potatoes for brand-name fast-food items. In Edmond, Okla., middle school students load up their trays with Chick-Fil-A sandwiches. In Niskayuna, NY, elementary-schoolers get slices of Pizza Hut, fresh from the deliveryman. In Livermore, Calif., the high school cafeteria offers Panda Express rice bowls, Little Caesar’s pizza and burritos from a local chain."
Chipotle Burritos every Wednesday? Yes please.
Yeah, that helps?
...How are nationally incorperated food chains being allowed to sell their products in public schools..?
EDIT:...I suppose that vending machines would be a variation of the same sort of thing...but still...it seems somehow...wrong.
Because the schools are desperate, the chains are helping fund the schools in return, and the district has basically given up on feeding the kids right.
Mannahnin wrote:Because the schools are desperate, the chains are helping fund the schools in return, and the district has basically given up on feeding the kids right.
It would appear so...of course it sort of negates the whole "chocolate milk is evil" argument if (eventually) Big Macs and fries will make up the base of most kids lunches..
Eh, tastes and textures are too subjective in their descriptions, and English doesn't have more specific words, as far as I'm aware. The semi-comparison to liver or tongue sums up my opinion on venison: it's not bad or unpleasant by any means, but it's also not something I'd go out of my way to have.
Mannahnin wrote:Because the schools are desperate, the chains are helping fund the schools in return, and the district has basically given up on feeding the kids right.
It would appear so...of course it sort of negates the whole "chocolate milk is evil" argument if (eventually) Big Macs and fries will make up the base of most kids lunches..
Well, this is where we need to bear in mind that specific, local school districts are making these decisions. And it's not like they're all on the same page.
Mannahnin wrote:Because the schools are desperate, the chains are helping fund the schools in return, and the district has basically given up on feeding the kids right.
It would appear so...of course it sort of negates the whole "chocolate milk is evil" argument if (eventually) Big Macs and fries will make up the base of most kids lunches..
Well, this is where we need to bear in mind that specific, local school districts are making these decisions. And it's not like they're all on the same page.
That's true enough...still it's a bit concerning,I don't mind my kids having McDonalds from time to time...but I'd not want it as an option for their lunch on a daily basis.
rubiksnoob wrote:Y'know, all our problems would be solved if the darn kids just ate coconuts. If it was good enough for t-rex it's good enough for the fatties.
See...that's a great idea...how many fat T-Rex's could have possiably existed?...and while were at at...look at Gilligan...a diet of Coconuts and Bananas an he was whip thin...didn't hurt Mary Ann's figure any either.
Sir Pseudonymous wrote:Eh, tastes and textures are too subjective in their descriptions, and English doesn't have more specific words, as far as I'm aware. The semi-comparison to liver or tongue sums up my opinion on venison: it's not bad or unpleasant by any means, but it's also not something I'd go out of my way to have.
Yes, but venison is usually a very game and robust meat, and any meat in a chili should never be dry. I call fowl; we must have a dakka potluck to remedy this.
And the only reason that the food chains got in was for the "it's their choice, this is America, we can't decide for the kiddies, give them options" argument.
rubiksnoob wrote:Y'know, all our problems would be solved if the darn kids just ate coconuts. If it was good enough for t-rex it's good enough for the fatties.
See...that's a great idea...how many fat T-Rex's could have possiably existed?...and while were at at...look at Gilligan...a diet of Coconuts and Bananas an he was whip thin...didn't hurt Mary Ann's figure any either.
Exactly
Although there was the skipper... he was quite pudgy.... but also rather sedentary if I recall correctly.
rubiksnoob wrote:Y'know, all our problems would be solved if the darn kids just ate coconuts. If it was good enough for t-rex it's good enough for the fatties.
See...that's a great idea...how many fat T-Rex's could have possiably existed?...and while were at at...look at Gilligan...a diet of Coconuts and Bananas an he was whip thin...didn't hurt Mary Ann's figure any either.
Exactly
Although there was the skipper... he was quite pudgy.... but also rather sedentary if I recall correctly.
He was... he made poor Gilligan do all the grunt work,and I'd wager that if the Professor had been able to make an x-box or a PS3 out of bamboo and coconut shells the Skipper would have been laying back in his hammock playing it.
Sir Pseudonymous wrote:Eh, tastes and textures are too subjective in their descriptions, and English doesn't have more specific words, as far as I'm aware. The semi-comparison to liver or tongue sums up my opinion on venison: it's not bad or unpleasant by any means, but it's also not something I'd go out of my way to have.
Yes, but venison is usually a very game and robust meat, and any meat in a chili should never be dry. I call fowl; we must have a dakka potluck to remedy this.
Dry isn't quite the right word, it's just the one that comes to mind. Like how turkey is a fairly dry meat, even when it's not literally dry. Likewise, neither venison nor liver is literally "grainy", but it's the only term that comes to mind (though liver is decidedly more so than venison, just as ham is much blander than venison). More accurate words aren't described in English (to my knowledge; there may "technical" terms used by cooks or food critics or somesuch, if so I'm unaware of them), so trying to convey it falls onto subjective uses of other words that come to mind when thinking of the characteristic.
If by heaven you mean a messy... well, mess of non-tasty mush stuffed between two buns, yes.
feth sloppy joes, I want properly made and thick chili.
ooo chilli is good... I like beanless chili... I knew one place that actually had it on their menu.
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When I was in grade school we used to be able to order hot lunch once a week. You had to choose between a chili dog and a hot dog.... I always went for the chili dog... mmmm
And in highschool it was awesome! French Fries! For Lunch! Everyday! Just a dollar.... A DOLLAR!
College was all weird because it was one of those trade school type places so all they had were vending machines.
Ahtman wrote:I'm drinking chocolate milk right now and there is nothing any of you can do to stop me.
Why would I? It's much better for you than soda, of god forbid and energy drink!
I don't drink much soda, but I must confess, if my school had had a Slurpee machine, I would have been a fat ass! I still have problems passing a 7-11 in the summer!
Ahtman wrote:I'm drinking chocolate milk right now and there is nothing any of you can do to stop me.
Even after you've seen the videos of Jamie Oliver dumping a truckload of sugar over a school bus??...you rebel you.
I liked the part when Jamie made an asian noodle dish full of veggies and the school admin told him it wasn't enough veggies.... then put french fries back on the menu "to make up the difference".
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Andrew1975 wrote:
Ahtman wrote:I'm drinking chocolate milk right now and there is nothing any of you can do to stop me.
Why would I? It's much better for you than soda, of god forbid and energy drink!
I don't drink much soda, but I must confess, if my school had had a Slurpee machine, I would have been a fat ass! I still have problems passing a 7-11 in the summer!
Ah Slurpees.... shame they dropped the coca cola ones... local 7-11s us pepsi and dew which comes out nasty.
A sloppy joe is just ground beef with a tomato sauce on a bun.
Chili con carne is different. Closer to a spicy stew or curry, with chili peppers, garlic, onions, cumin, along with ground meat (by tradition, beef), and other ingredients. Wolf Brand is generally the best non-homemade chili I think. Most commercial chili isn't thick enough.
Preferably without beans, as they're nothing more than cheap filler and distract from the taste and texture...
Melissia wrote:A sloppy joe is just ground beef with a tomato sauce on a bun.
Chili con carne is different. Closer to a spicy stew or curry, with chili peppers, garlic, onions, cumin, along with ground meat (by tradition, beef), and other ingredients. Wolf Brand is generally the best non-homemade chili I think. Most commercial chili isn't thick enough.
Preferably without beans, as they're nothing more than cheap filler and distract from the taste and texture...
And again chili itself has many different styles. There is chili as above all the way up to chili I've had in Arizona which is really just cooked chilis (so hot the sun gets scared).
Emperors Faithful wrote:Is it really that hard to replace the current junk with something slightly healthier?
Yes, because it is more expensive to have trained kitchen staff preparing cooked meals in a real kitchen, than jockeys slamming industrial processed slabs in and out of microwave ovens.
This was the issue that Jamie Oliver raised in the UK in his "School Meals" programme in 2005.
The school my daughter attended at that time had no lunch service, so she had a lovingly prepared Japanese style bento every day.
We were shocked to find out the truth of school meals in the state system, where the spend used to be as low as 50p per child per day. No wonder that Turkey Twizzlers were a favourite on many school catering service.
We experienced the hideous reality for ourselves when our daughter had to spend 10 days in hospital. A lot of NHS food is about the same level as school food.
Emperors Faithful wrote:Is it really that hard to replace the current junk with something slightly healthier?
Yes, because it is more expensive to have trained kitchen staff preparing cooked meals in a real kitchen, than jockeys slamming industrial processed slabs in and out of microwave ovens.
This was the issue that Jamie Oliver raised in the UK in his "School Meals" programme in 2005.
The school my daughter attended at that time had no lunch service, so she had a lovingly prepared Japanese style bento every day.
We were shocked to find out the truth of school meals in the state system, where the spend used to be as low as 50p per child per day. No wonder that Turkey Twizzlers were a favourite on many school catering service.
We experienced the hideous reality for ourselves when our daughter had to spend 10 days in hospital. A lot of NHS food is about the same level as school food.
SWMBO still has fond memories of when the wife was growing up in the foreign country that is Illinois. Her school had its meals lovingly made by two old german grandma types and they had a plethora of Central European meals that all sounded like ambrosia. Then they were replaced with the normal food crap. Evidently a bunch of the students cried and all when they were replaced as they were like family.
Remember the lunch program is also an excellent way to slough off surplus USDA crap.
Army food is similarly dreadful. The messes get around £1 a day per soldier for food and it shows in some of the food that gets churned out. To be fair, the Army chefs do wonders with what they have but as the saying goes, 'you can polish a turd...'
KingCracker wrote:AND deep fried to add "flavor" I mean, its bad when you can literally ring out your grilled cheese sandwich. Which by most accounts should be a fairly healthy food
When I went to school it was common practice among the kids to dab the grease off the top of their “pizza” before eating it.
It usually required two napkins…
Yep, same practice when I went to school. It was so gross that was the only time I would say no pizza. And I was a fat kid mind you
Ugh, yeah. This is why I liked to take my own lunch...
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Frazzled wrote:And again chili itself has many different styles. There is chili as above all the way up to chili I've had in Arizona which is really just cooked chilis (so hot the sun gets scared).
If all it has is cooked chili peppers, it's not chili con carne, because chili con carne is literally "chili with meat".
Damn uncultured Arizonans. They're worse than the New Yorkers sometimes.
Melissia wrote:A sloppy joe is just ground beef with a tomato sauce on a bun.
Chili con carne is different. Closer to a spicy stew or curry, with chili peppers, garlic, onions, cumin, along with ground meat (by tradition, beef), and other ingredients. Wolf Brand is generally the best non-homemade chili I think. Most commercial chili isn't thick enough.
Preferably without beans, as they're nothing more than cheap filler and distract from the taste and texture...
Know what chili con carne is, lived off the stuff while in uni (we could make about 2kg for less than £10, freeze it in portions and bam! eat for a fortnight!)
I just though sloppy joes were chilli con carne shoved in a burger bun, your more accurate description of a sloppy joe has now made them much less interesting to me
btw, don't quote me but IIRC in Wales you are looking at less than 50p per head, perhaps 30-40p at the most, again don't quote me but I think people in prison get a better cost-per-head catering budget.
Leigen_Zero wrote:I just though sloppy joes were chilli con carne shoved in a burger bun, your more accurate description of a sloppy joe has now made them much less interesting to me
Not sure if you can get Manwich in the UK (probably not). This is your loss.
The article about forcing kids to buy school lunch made me laugh, because buried in the middle was a sentence about how a private contractor runs the kitchens.
Polonius wrote:The article about forcing kids to buy school lunch made me laugh, because buried in the middle was a sentence about how a private contractor runs the kitchens.
Honestly, a chocolate milk ban isn't suprising. Most schools in BC are banning/have banned pop, potato chips, flavoured tortilla chips, chocolate bars, etc...
My old elementary school had no cafeteria, but it did have hot dog day and pizza day once a year. They now do an annual sub sandwich day instead. vending machines carry juice and/or water, vending machines carry dried fruit chips, trail mix, rice chips, and baked crackers.
Even the cafeteria at my highschool had dropped a lot of it's more substantial evils off of the menu. They still do Pizza buns and Jalapeno Ham and Cheese biscuits though, which is good to hear, because those are the best two damn baked goods in this city. But they sell a lot more salads (Good Caesar salad too - locally grown lettuce and they even make their own dressing), sandwiches (toasted and cold), and soup (goes well with above mentioned Ham and Cheese biscuit). They've also apparently added a wide variety of fresh-brewed teas to the menu, which they didn't have when I was a student
I think chocolate milk is a lesser evil though. It's good they're trying, but there's far worse out there.
At the company where I work as well as a fantastic canteen we have free soft drinks (our own brand mineral water, Coke and other cans, and fruit juice.)
Last summer I decided to switch from diet Coke to fruit juice on the grounds of health. I was shocked to find that fruit juice contains as much sugar as non-diet Coke.
Kilkrazy wrote:At the company where I work as well as a fantastic canteen we have free soft drinks (our own brand mineral water, Coke and other cans, and fruit juice.)
Last summer I decided to switch from diet Coke to fruit juice on the grounds of health. I was shocked to find that fruit juice contains as much sugar as non-diet Coke.
Depends on what you're buying. The schools around here buy pressed juice, which is unsweetened and has far less processing to it. It's also quite cloudy and, with citrus, always has pulp. As you can expect, it has about 1/3 the sugar content of Five Alive and other "not-juice" juices.
ADD: I also make sure I always have a bottle or two of this stuff in my fridge:
It's probably one of the healthiest juice products you can buy, and it actually tastes pretty damn good. And note how it's cloudy - means it's pressed and unsweetened.
Army food is similarly dreadful. The messes get around £1 a day per soldier for food and it shows in some of the food that gets churned out. To be fair, the Army chefs do wonders with what they have but as the saying goes, 'you can polish a turd...'
Well my friend, if you were part of the US armed forces you could get all the wonderful fast food your heart would desire.
Seams that for a while they tried to get rid of it, but its back in fashion.
"I don't know what their problem is we bring them freedom, fast food and pants....pants man!" Saying attributed to a fictional US combat vet in the middle east.
I'm telling you drink water, use that MIO stuff if you don't like water, it's pretty good. I rarely endorse products.
filbert wrote:Army food is similarly dreadful. The messes get around £1 a day per soldier for food and it shows in some of the food that gets churned out. To be fair, the Army chefs do wonders with what they have but as the saying goes, 'you can polish a turd...'
filbert wrote:Army food is similarly dreadful. The messes get around £1 a day per soldier for food and it shows in some of the food that gets churned out. To be fair, the Army chefs do wonders with what they have but as the saying goes, 'you can polish a turd...'
If i remember right the daily food budget for someone living at 'Her majesty's pleasure' is double that of someone serving in the british army.
MREs are awesome. My uncle bought like a hundred form an army surplus store for emergency disaster food. We eat them for dinner when we're too lazy to cook, and to cheap to go out to eat.
MREs are awesome. My uncle bought like a hundred form an army surplus store for emergency disaster food. We eat them for dinner when we're too lazy to cook, and to cheap to go out to eat.
Ate a ton of MRE's after Katrina,and while I found them to be pretty damn good...they are extreamly high in calories/carbs....not the best choice for everyday meals.
MREs are awesome. My uncle bought like a hundred form an army surplus store for emergency disaster food. We eat them for dinner when we're too lazy to cook, and to cheap to go out to eat.
Ate a ton of MRE's after Katrina,and while I found them to be pretty damn good...they are extreamly high in calories/carbs....not the best choice for everyday meals.
Yeah, they are meant for soldier in the field that walking carrying 100lb packs. That's a lot of energy. Michael Phelps's food is probably awesome, but if you are sitting at home, not swimming miles a day, you will quickly become a fat ass!
MREs are awesome. My uncle bought like a hundred form an army surplus store for emergency disaster food. We eat them for dinner when we're too lazy to cook, and to cheap to go out to eat.
Ate a ton of MRE's after Katrina,and while I found them to be pretty damn good...they are extreamly high in calories/carbs....not the best choice for everyday meals.
Yeah, they are meant for soldier in the field that walking carrying 100lb packs. That's a lot of energy. Michael Phelps's food is probably awesome, but if you are sitting at home, not swimming miles a day, you will quickly become a fat ass!
Exactly...after the whole mess was over I had actually gained five pounds from a two month MRE diet,and that was with a great deal of activity ( Cleaning up tons of wreckage,walking everywhere etc) on a daily basis.
Man on one campout a while ago (it has a whole slew of funny stories attached to it) my troop camped on National Guard training land. The part particular to the topic at hand is that, for some reason, the three boys who had no idea whatsoever how to cook were placed in charge of dinner. Dumped spaghetti in pot, didn't stir it once, and called us to eat 15 minutes later. I love black carbon in a 1/2 tomato 1/2 starch water sauce!
Anyway, the training commander took pity on us and offered us some surplus MREs. Those were really good. They even came with jumbo sized crackers, cinnamon gum, and, best of all, matches! The Boy Scout's true friend...
The one weird part was the protein bars and lemon cookies. Both of them tasted horrible, yet those who had them could just not stop eating them. It was like the military laced them with coke.
The whole area of military catering is quite interesting.
The military historian Martin van Creveld said that the daily military ration has never varied much in history because human dietary requirements don't change. I think he said it was about seven pounds in the early 18th century, and it still is now.
Even modern lightweight dehydrated food doesn't help, because soldiers then require more water.
Apparently MRE design in modern armies is constantly updated to reflect changing food habits and preferences. According to Wikipedia, there is some trouble getting soldiers to eat as much as they need in the field, so good meals are important for health and morale.
Iron rations aren't intended for long term diet and contain higher salt and fat than is healthy in the long run.
Cheers for linking that Buffo some of those meals look Yummers. Oh and trust me british school meals are about as pure pish as those american ones lol.
filbert wrote:Army food is similarly dreadful. The messes get around £1 a day per soldier for food and it shows in some of the food that gets churned out. To be fair, the Army chefs do wonders with what they have but as the saying goes, 'you can polish a turd...'
MRE's are cool though... best school lunch ever
This says something really disturbing about the quality of school lunches.
Another issue with the food that kids eat is that all that deep fried, greasy, sugar-laden crap can't possibly good for helping the kids' energy levels or concentration. I'm willing to bet that if the kids ate better, they'd do a hell of a lot better in school too.
I remember in elementary school, we just brought our own lunches, but in Jr. high, the food was horrible greasy crap. They served donuts and chips alongside the 'real' food. Salads were brown and mushy. Utterly horrible. No wonder I was a fat kid... then puberty hit... but that's beside the point.
High school got much better. Fresh sandwich bar (although it eventually got closed down to save costs), and the cooking class catered for the cafeteria, meaning plenty of great food like prime rib and chicken that was properly cooked. I couldn't eat much of it though, since I can't eat much onion without getting sick and they used a LOT of onions. After they closed down the sandwich bar, I just ended up bringing my own lunch for a while, until I just stopped eating lunch completely in order to get more work done over my lunch breaks.
Fafnir wrote:Another issue with the food that kids eat is that all that deep fried, greasy, sugar-laden crap can't possibly good for helping the kids' energy levels or concentration. I'm willing to bet that if the kids ate better, they'd do a hell of a lot better in school too.
Yeah, but good food costs money.
Also, it has been proven that in schools that use incandescent lightbulbs (the standard, old timey lightbulb), students learn better than if they study underneath fluorescent bulbs (the long, white sticks). Schools use the fluorescent bulbs simply because they are cheaper to operate.
Fafnir wrote:Another issue with the food that kids eat is that all that deep fried, greasy, sugar-laden crap can't possibly good for helping the kids' energy levels or concentration. I'm willing to bet that if the kids ate better, they'd do a hell of a lot better in school too.
Yeah, but good food costs money.
Also, it has been proven that in schools that use incandescent lightbulbs (the standard, old timey lightbulb), students learn better than if they study underneath fluorescent bulbs (the long, white sticks). Schools use the fluorescent bulbs simply because they are cheaper to operate.
I disagree, good food is mostly just as cheap as unhealthy food when you buy wholesale, the real problem is cost of labor. Cost of food in the restaurant business is trivial compared to the cost of labor, schools handle this by using heavily processed foods, which are mostly only made in highly unhealthy form, or in fancy healthfood packs that are way overpriced because the marketing around that kind of stuff allows for it.
Fixing the problem requires demanding a supplier that will provide healthyish processed food. It'd be a little more expensive (can't rely on soy and corn), but if enough school districts offer a contract for a little more money than what suppliers can get out of them right now, it'll happen. The real barriers are accountability (schools will roll out healthy food programs that are really just as bad, IE, fruit cups with the fruit preserved in corn syrup), initiative, and getting enough school districts to get on board at the same time that providing healthy processed food at low prices will be profitable to somebody.
"You probably know that dairy products are an ideal source of calcium, but did you know that calcium actually interferes with your body's ability to absorb fat? To enjoy that effect, though, you need the vitamin D, so thankfully dairy producers add it to milk. Regular, non-chocolate milk offers this benefit, but research shows that chocolate milk might have an edge on the white stuff. A study published in the International Journal of Sport Nutrition and Exercise Metabolism showed that participants who drank chocolate milk before mounting stationary bikes were able to ride 49 percent longer than those given a generic carbohydrate-replacement beverage. Keep that in mind next time you're about to head out for an afternoon gym session. "
Thats a little ridiculous. The school I go to sells french fries and pizza and other fatty foods like crazy. Today they legitly sold Mozzarella on a sandwich .......but wait it gets better it was fried..because they can. Don't get me wrong it tastes good but its only hurting us. Chocolate Milk doesn't even compare to the other foods they sell.
I call for Monte Cristos for all! It's got all yer major food groups and we can save tons of money on education when all the kids keel over. It'll be totally green and stuff.
Andrew1975 wrote:"You probably know that dairy products are an ideal source of calcium, but did you know that calcium actually interferes with your body's ability to absorb fat? To enjoy that effect, though, you need the vitamin D, so thankfully dairy producers add it to milk. Regular, non-chocolate milk offers this benefit, but research shows that chocolate milk might have an edge on the white stuff. A study published in the International Journal of Sport Nutrition and Exercise Metabolism showed that participants who drank chocolate milk before mounting stationary bikes were able to ride 49 percent longer than those given a generic carbohydrate-replacement beverage. Keep that in mind next time you're about to head out for an afternoon gym session. "
As a side note, a soy diet is almost toxic to the human body, ESPECIALLY young girls because of the hormones in it... so that's out when it comes to health foods.
Melissia wrote:As a side note, a soy diet is almost toxic to the human body, ESPECIALLY young girls because of the hormones in it... so that's out when it comes to health foods.
I knew it... the vegetarians are trying to poison me...
Melissia wrote:As a side note, a soy diet is almost toxic to the human body, ESPECIALLY young girls because of the hormones in it... so that's out when it comes to health foods.
Do you know what a soy diet does to males? Hello low sperm count. Granted it's plus for some, a negative for others!
KingCracker wrote:Wait a second. So a soy diet is actually bad for us? Why is it health nuts are all over eating soy?
That's only if you don't cook the bean.
Stop spreading your infernal truth! We like our reasons for not being vegetarians!
I have no problem with vegetarians just vegans.
A fun way to troll them: point out that both yogurt and bread (except for unleavened) are meat/animal genocide, as both result in the mass slaughter of smaller animals.
KingCracker wrote:Wait a second. So a soy diet is actually bad for us? Why is it health nuts are all over eating soy?
That's only if you don't cook the bean.
Stop spreading your infernal truth! We like our reasons for not being vegetarians!
I have no problem with vegetarians just vegans.
A fun way to troll them: point out that both yogurt and bread (except for unleavened) are meat/animal genocide, as both result in the mass slaughter of smaller animals.
Or by wearing clothes they're supporting labour cruelty. Wait how is yogurt animal cruelty?
KingCracker wrote:Wait a second. So a soy diet is actually bad for us? Why is it health nuts are all over eating soy?
That's only if you don't cook the bean.
Stop spreading your infernal truth! We like our reasons for not being vegetarians!
I have no problem with vegetarians just vegans.
A fun way to troll them: point out that both yogurt and bread (except for unleavened) are meat/animal genocide, as both result in the mass slaughter of smaller animals.
Or by wearing clothes they're supporting labour cruelty. Wait how is yogurt animal cruelty?
Yogurt, as they call it on the package, is made with "active cultures". That means bacteria, which is why eating yogurt can be good for your colon (the place in your body that uses the "friendly" bacteria, to make it simple).
KingCracker wrote:Wait a second. So a soy diet is actually bad for us? Why is it health nuts are all over eating soy?
That's only if you don't cook the bean.
Stop spreading your infernal truth! We like our reasons for not being vegetarians!
I have no problem with vegetarians just vegans.
A fun way to troll them: point out that both yogurt and bread (except for unleavened) are meat/animal genocide, as both result in the mass slaughter of smaller animals.
Or by wearing clothes they're supporting labour cruelty. Wait how is yogurt animal cruelty?
Yogurt, as they call it on the package, is made with "active cultures". That means bacteria, which is why eating yogurt can be good for your colon (the place in your body that uses the "friendly" bacteria, to make it simple).
My only problem is with vegans who freak out and refuse to use utensils that have touched meat or something. Those make me facepalm and say, 'Sucks to be you. DEAL WITH IT.'
This thread needs moar Powerthirst. Come to think of it, every thread could use moar Powerthirst. But mostly this one. Because it's about fat kids. That's right, I made that connection all by myself.
were we spoiled.....
..Ok..I don't know so much about "Venison Jello", I'm a certified coonass ,and will eat just about anything...but even I might have to draw the line at that.
