Lord Castellan over at BoLS has seen indications for a BT release sooner than many think:

So what do we think the next codexes are going to be?
Necron of course, then Templar, obviously, but what else is coming down the pipes?
(...)
BT will be sooner. They already have models and artwork for the boxes and so forth. They will be before Sisters I can guarantee it.

eldargal wrote:Doubt it, at the moment its neck and neck between Tau and SoB for who follows Necrons, none of the rumourmongers have mentioned hearing the slightest thing about BT. Some have even hinted they may not get a 5th ed codex at all.

Depends on where they get their sources. Seeing the models and artwork at the factory is pretty solid.

Harry's comment:

Sculpts have been around for at least 18 months. (and well worth a bit of saliva )

I honestly don't know the order they will appear ...

.... but if it helps, the order that I heard about them was: Grey Knights, Sisters, Black Templar.

Whilst I expect them to appear in this order .... This was a couple of years ago so anything could have happened in the development stages before release order was set in stone.

(Lord Castellan is a braver man than I ... I certainly would not be risking my todger on the table with a guarantee of anything!)

(...)
Sorry ..... I can't remember exactly when I heard about Necrons. I remember hearing about them at roughly the same time as I heard about sisters ... I seem to remember finishing off collecting my metal sisters army and buying a Necron battalion box and a monolith at about the same time. ..... I didn't mention them because they seemed to be generally accepted as being up next?
(...)
I just went and checked.
Last July is when I finally got it straight which was first DE or Grey Knights.
At that time ... after DE and GK I thought that Necrons and sisters were next ... but did not know which order.
I don't think that will have changed.
So I imagine these two will be next and Templars after that?
(If they are a full army release).

Edit:
This rumour poster puts the BT release later:

ghost21 wrote:From what I heard BT will be in the new starter box ala Black Reach, quickly followed by their dex, as I really don't collect marines I kinda usually skip those meetings.(...)
The order I heard was BT just after 6th.

Malakai wrote:Is there a rumour that BT are going to be in the 6th ed box?

Yup, with Daemons apparently (odd choice I thought).

Malakai wrote:How reliable is this rumour? I know that anything this far out is sketchy, but maybe on a scale of 1-10?

I'd give it a 7, but remember I don't usually pay attention to Marines. I'm a Chaos and Xeno guy, but I did hear there's a character who makes a certain Grey Knights character look tame...
Oh sisters codex ... shall we say nicest codex cover of the year?(...)

The "prototypes" that a few people saw were BT and Daemons. I only report what I see annd hear.

This starter set rumour fits 100% other rumours about 6th edition starter:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/352734.page
And it puts the Sororitas Codex into 2011 (after Necrons).
Fits what I heard about 2011 becoming a busy year.

Im waiting for new black templar stuff.

I would prefer if Black Templars came after Tau, but I would not be surprised to see them after sisters.

Here's the release schedule I would like to see

Necrons>Sisters>Tau>BT

Hey, Good news for BT players though.

If Black Templars are really on the way, my money will be on seeing them next Spring after Sister's/Necrons.

That would keep to the Marine/NotMarine/Marine pattern we've had since the start of 5th ed.

In the grim darkness of the 41st millennium there are only Space Marines.

lord_blackfang wrote:In the grim darkness of the 41st millennium there are only Space Marines.

Yep. Although hopefully the black templars will be an overpowered SM codex I want to play.

"slaps forehead" not moree marines :(

although the templars do need an update I think Necrons/Sisters/Tau need it much more!

lord_blackfang wrote:In the grim darkness of the 41st millennium there are only Space Marines.

That's right - a full 25% of the upcoming rumoured codexes!

GW needs to look at things apart from power armour
but we all know that will never happen

Templars?

Isn't there also a 6th ed coming?

2011 could see +1 codex, right? 2012 has at best 2 codices if wh40k is a fall release as usual.
I don't doubt necrons and sisters should be done next. But BT soon? I'd like to have them ( and a anti-ward save ), if 6th ed is a bit off.


So BA, DE, GK, necrons, sisters, (BT.).... feels wrong. Rather BA, DE, GK, Necrons, SoB, Tau, BT, (orks or elfs) DA, (orks or elfs), RSM,
I guess.
Why? Necrons and sister are outdated. Plus GW can link the fluff inside, sister encountered the necrons first. Tau are more of a safety-release followed by BT to control their fluff doesn't get overboard. Orks & Eldar may have a 5th ed codex, as do DA. RSM as a CSM replacement would bring a new POV to the 6th ed starter if they replace SM as the starterbox-content/first codex.

Still can't see a reason to do BT sooner than others.
BT and DA have plastic upgrades, no hybrid kits. Got Faqs.
Maybe I just fear what could be added, looking at the chibi-hawk and the dreaded knight....

Ohhhh, gets self ready for some serious overtime at work.

I can agree that BT could continue for a while longer without a new dex, given we had a update not so long ago. But would be awesome to see my main stay army brought up to date and some shiny new models. If they come this year then I'm happy.

More marines, not a surprise there . I will wonder though how they'll tweak them I suppose.

If there is a new BT release with codex and all that, all I would really like to have in hands is a BT kit akin to the SW infantry pack.

If Matt Ward does the codex then they will tweek them by more silly rules and having them do things totally out of character.

Perhapse Black Templars will have a bro-mance with orks!


seriously though, be nice to see them updated...just hope Necrons/Sisters come first

Slinky wrote:

lord_blackfang wrote:In the grim darkness of the 41st millennium there are only Space Marines.

That's right - a full 25% of the upcoming rumoured codexes!

Yeah, that can't be right. We need to squeeze in at least 2 more chapters before any stupid old Xenos that nobody plays, anyway.

redeyed wrote:If Matt Ward does the codex then they will tweek them by more silly rules and having them do things totally out of character.

Perhapse Black Templars will have a bro-mance with orks!


seriously though, be nice to see them updated...just hope Necrons/Sisters come first

You mean their Chapter master Bro-fists with some psyker.

As a Templar player this annoys me. The FAQ update is good enough for now, and I like my Furious Charging terminators and command squads. I don't want them to be made into something stupid. Hey GW, we get it that you have a hard on for marines, but for feth's sake other armies need updates sooner than Templars.

CaptKaruthors wrote:As a Templar player this annoys me. The FAQ update is good enough for now, and I like my Furious Charging terminators and command squads.

If the BA codex means anything I think we will have FC, Tank Hunters, Move through cover, fleeting terminators

I have to wonder when they'll give Chaos a little more love...

I know nothing about future releases, but it sure seems to me like SM vs. CSM in the 6th ed. boxed set would make sense. Gives them the opportunity to make a new CSM codex a tentpole release of 6th ed. And since we know SM will be in the boxed set...why not BT for a 3rd ed. retro touch?

Lokirfellheart wrote:

lord_blackfang wrote:In the grim darkness of the 41st millennium there are only Space Marines.

Yep. Although hopefully the black templars will be an overpowered SM codex I want to play.

Hear! Hear!

1hadhq wrote:Still can't see a reason to do BT sooner than others.

Because new miniatures are done for at least 18 months?

GK sisters and BT. That would be only 2 xenos races for 5th edition. Let that sink in, 3 years and only 2 xenos. add in BT and sisters and you have 7 Imperium armies to 2 xenos ones.

sexiest_hero wrote:Let that sink in

I think some of us has been letting that sink in ever since they made more than one marine codex

Noooooooooo! Where is the Dark Angels love?

Kroothawk wrote:

1hadhq wrote:Still can't see a reason to do BT sooner than others.

Because new miniatures are done for at least 18 months?

Pics ?


Begs the question what they have in store and hold off. Rumormongers seem to know only of a few "new" minis of the next codex.

the order that I heard about them was: Grey Knights, Sisters, Black Templar.

So does this mean that the next two releases are both Imperial, or are they the next imperial releases according to the "Imperial->NotImperial-> Imperial->NotImperial" release pattern.

ChiliPowderKeg wrote:"Imperial->NotImperial-> Imperial->NotImperial"

That's not the pattern. It's actually SM -> not-SM -> SM -> not-SM. If we're lucky.

The tears of the xenos players are delicious.

I hope the release schedule is as follows:
GK
BT
Sisters (just kidding...no one cares about Sisters)
DA
6th edition
CSM
SM
New Army - Imperial Fists
Splash release of Ork corpses for Ork players
6th edition Space Wolves
New Army - Emperor's Children

Can't see space marines out of a starter box set, nor them doing power armour vs. power armour starters. I mean come on, give people the impression that there's other power armour armies out there that can stand up to the invincable space marines?
SM and eldar starter would be interesting, starter sets so far have been SM/orks, SM/DE, SM/nids and SM/orks again. Just hope they don't rush the damn codex...

dienekes96 wrote:The tears of the xenon players are delicious.

I hope the release schedule is as follows:
GK
BT
Sisters
DA
6th edition
CSM
SM
New Army - Imperial Fists
Splash release of Ork corpses for Ork players
6th edition Space Wolves
New Army - Emperor's Children

You forgot to mention that the 6E starter will be DA vs SW

That goes without saying.

Not yet! I just painted three squads of dual cyclone, tank hunting terminators. Don't take em away so soon!

I hope Kroot is wrong for once.

My dream release schedule would be: Necrons/SoB/Tau/BT

WHY IN THE WORLD DO Black Templar even have their own codex????? They are a sub chapter and if I remember right their 2 big claims to fame where the Land raider crusader(currently in every codex), and the Emperors Champion(easily put in Codex SM as Special charater). If anouther codex SM must be made why not expand on some of the founding chapteres. But really like the Crimson fist it would be all to easy for GW to just slip the BT into the next SM codex. Besides BT are doing fine where I am at BT Just took first place in our last Tournament, GW needs to Look into the old dusty armies well before these guys.

Yes, BT should totally come out ASAP. It isn't like Necrons, Tau or SOB need it at all. As a xeno player I'm starting to dislike the community ignoring anything not in power armor more than GW ignoring us. Seems like insult to injury or something.

Orkhead wrote:WHY IN THE WORLD DO Black Templar even have their own codex????? They are a sub chapter and if I remember right their 2 big claims to fame where the Land raider crusader(currently in every codex), and the Emperors Champion(easily put in Codex SM as Special charater). If anouther codex SM must be made why not expand on some of the founding chapteres. But really like the Crimson fist it would be all to easy for GW to just slip the BT into the next SM codex. Besides BT are doing fine where I am at BT Just took first place in our last Tournament, GW needs to Look into the old dusty armies well before these guys.

Your right, lets ignore crusader squads and all the BT special rules.

You know who DONT need their own book? Dark Angels. Easily put in to C:SM without any trouble. Move the special characters and call it good. BT, like SW, have enough variety in them to warrant their own book.

BT are not in need of a new codex (at least when compared with other older dex's). However they most certainly do deserve their own dex. Champion with vows, Army wide fearless in CC, no psykers at all, 20 man troops selections, crusader seals, tactical squads with the ability to be shooty or have a BP CCW, and sword brethren. They have no vets (I know sword brethren are pretty much the same) no sarges, no whirlwinds, and no devestators. Thats a lot of different to put into a SC "chapter tactics" rule or whatever they call that in the new marine dex.

Also the game is about the imperium vs. everything else’s so unfortunately that means the release are a bit imperium centric. You choose to play this game so you have to accept the writers and designers vision.

mjl7atlas wrote:Noooooooooo! Where is the Dark Angels love?

Dark Angels came out after Black Templars, it makes complete sense to update Templars first. I'm saying this as someone who has a Dark Angels army.

Also, who the hell thinks that Sisters and Black Templars will be in the same codex? That is the most asinine, idiotic, and damn-near impossible claim I've ever heard in relation to Warhammer stuff.

Brother SRM wrote:

mjl7atlas wrote:Noooooooooo! Where is the Dark Angels love?

Dark Angels came out after Black Templars, it makes complete sense to update Templars first. I'm saying this as someone who has a Dark Angels army.

It's sad to say but yes. Currently my DA from before the last codex are ina case and the current codex in a box for being pretty useless. It did have pretty pictures though...

Happygrunt wrote:I hope Kroot is wrong for once.
My dream release schedule would be: Necrons/SoB/Tau/BT

Actually, I am not sure about the release schedule. Personally I would prefer the one you suggest, giving me new Kroot miniatures sooner and reducing the 3rd edition Codex and no-Xeno-release problem (although we will have at least 3 for 5th edition: Tyranids, Dark Eldar and Necrons). And we have some 2 year old unreleased Tau models as well.

BT are obviously in the pipeline as are the other three. And personally I expect it to be a minor release with only a few new models, as they have an up to date plastic sprue and metal HQ.

This rumour poster puts the BT release later:

ghost21 wrote:From what I heard BT will be in the new starter box ala Black Reach, quickly followed by their dex, as I really don't collect marines I kinda usually skip those meetings.(...)
The order I heard was BT just after 6th.

Malakai wrote:Is there a rumour that BT are going to be in the 6th ed box?

Yup, with Daemons apparently (odd choice I thought).

Malakai wrote:How reliable is this rumour? I know that anything this far out is sketchy, but maybe on a scale of 1-10?

I'd give it a 7, but remember I don't usually pay attention to Marines. I'm a Chaos and Xeno guy, but I did hear there's a character who makes a certain Grey Knights character look tame...
Oh sisters codex ... shall we say nicest codex cover of the year?(...)

The "prototypes" that a few people saw were BT and Daemons. I only report what I see annd hear.

This starter set rumour fits 100% other rumours about 6th edition starter:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/352734.page
And it puts the Sororitas Codex into 2011 (after Necrons).
Fits what I heard about 2011 becoming a busy year.

dienekes96 wrote:Splash release of Ork corpses for Ork players

This will be a plastic kit, because you need so many of them

mjl7atlas wrote:Noooooooooo! Where is the Dark Angels love?

Dark Angel's love is a delicate topic

Brother SRM wrote:

mjl7atlas wrote:Noooooooooo! Where is the Dark Angels love?

Dark Angels came out after Black Templars, it makes complete sense to update Templars first. I'm saying this as someone who has a Dark Angels army.

Also, who the hell thinks that Sisters and Black Templar's will be in the same codex? That is the most asinine, idiotic, and damn-near impossible claim I've ever heard in relation to Warhammer stuff.

I love Black Templar's, but Christ if they teamed up with Sisters of Battle I would stop playing them, holy crap the thought of the two would drive me insane. And also the new Khorne Grey Knights would have to slaughter the Templar's along with Sisters on another world when they need more blood.

On a side note of my madness I do agree that Templar's could hold off on an update. At least until the right ones get theirs first.

Kroothawk wrote:

Dark Angel's love is a delicate topic

Dark Angels do it in secret

Yeah...,here goes my hopes of seeing a decent CSM dex before the end of the world...

Oh well if the world ends in 2012 then i won't see it be done by Matt Ward,where Zerkers and Noise marines are best pale ever and that they often make some orgies while rapping Kroots and Tau chicks...

Slayer le boucher wrote:Yeah...,here goes my hopes of seeing a decent CSM dex before the end of the world...

Oh well if the world ends in 2012 then i won't see it be done by Matt Ward,where Zerkers and Noise marines are best pale ever and that they often make some orgies while rapping Kroots and Tau chicks...

Just before the fiery comet ends the world in 2012, Ward will finish the draft of the CSM codex, replacing Abaddon with Raglac Seunram, an evil clone of a certain Loyalist ChapterMaster that that took over the traitor legions. He'll cost 180 points, be the secret avatar of a fifth and all-powerful Chaos God called Ror'epme, and also be the only Astartes able to bang chicks. In fact, he just impregnated Lelith Hesperax.

Sephyr wrote:In fact, he just impregnated Lelith Hesperax.

Just by looking at her, don't you forget. He was also the guy who buried the Dragon, and put the Emperor to rest on his Golden Toilet.

But Black Templars on the starter set are a bit odd. They were on the 3rd edition one, so it sounds to me to be a bit improbable.

Also, Daemons? I wish we would get some Imperial Guard and finally have 100 miniatures in a starter... on one side

SonicPara wrote:Yes, BT should totally come out ASAP. It isn't like Necrons, Tau or SOB need it at all. As a xeno player I'm starting to dislike the community ignoring anything not in power armor more than GW ignoring us. Seems like insult to injury or something.

It's the price we pay for not looking like bad 80s sci-fi gone wrong.

Maybe if we had worse looking boots we would get more attention.

dienekes96 wrote:The tears of the xenos players are delicious.

I hope the release schedule is as follows:
GK
BT
Sisters (just kidding...no one cares about Sisters)
DA
6th edition
CSM
SM
New Army - Imperial Fists
Splash release of Ork corpses for Ork players
6th edition Space Wolves
New Army - Emperor's Children

Sounds like the most reasonable rumor I've heard in a long time.

dienekes96 wrote:The tears of the xenos players are delicious.

You are a very bad man...

I like Marines - I even liked the Stormraven (well, most of it). And I already have a BT army. But with the Grey Knights I've reached power armour saturation point. The models, which are largely excellent, don't prompt me to reach for my credit card, and the codex was over-written and, in many places, clumsy to the point of silliness. The level to which they have cranked up the special rules is also such that non-Marine players are justified in asking what is going on. So I would like to see a very long gap between the Grey Knights and the next Marine release (Sisters would be very welcome). I would love to see the Necrons get the kind of make-over that the DE got - a new Monolith model, some more big stuff, and plastic Wraiths and Immortals. Plus a codex full of fluff to give them more depth. Thats the kind of thing that WH40k needs.

Tailgunner wrote:

dienekes96 wrote:The tears of the xenos players are delicious.

You are a very bad man...

I like Marines - I even liked the Stormraven (well, most of it). And I already have a BT army. But with the Grey Knights I've reached power armour saturation point. The models, which are largely excellent, don't prompt me to reach for my credit card, and the codex was over-written and, in many places, clumsy to the point of silliness. The level to which they have cranked up the special rules is also such that non-Marine players are justified in asking what is going on. So I would like to see a very long gap between the Grey Knights and the next Marine release (Sisters would be very welcome). I would love to see the Necrons get the kind of make-over that the DE got - a new Monolith model, some more big stuff, and plastic Wraiths and Immortals. Plus a codex full of fluff to give them more depth. Thats the kind of thing that WH40k needs.

I agree, Necrons, and Tau are in extreme need for fluff. I think that Necron, SoB, Tau, BT, seems extremely reasonable. However, if BT i truly going to be in the 6th Starter Box.....I pray to any god that will listen that they write the Tau codex for 6th so they don't have the same issue they had on their last release....Tau!!! AWESOME!!!!! ........5th edi release....... wait what....

This is interesting:

BT will be sooner. They already have models and artwork for the boxes and so forth. They will be before Sisters I can guarantee it.

Artwork for the boxes again? I'm a little sceptical to be honest, but that's wonderful if it's true!

btemple0 wrote:

redeyed wrote:If Matt Ward does the codex then they will tweek them by more silly rules and having them do things totally out of character.

Perhapse Black Templars will have a bro-mance with orks!


seriously though, be nice to see them updated...just hope Necrons/Sisters come first

You mean their Chapter master Bro-fists with some psyker.

Black Templar librarians!

Kroothawk wrote: And we have some 2 year old unreleased Tau models as well.

BT are obviously in the pipeline as are the other three. And personally I expect it to be a minor release with only a few new models, as they have an up to date plastic sprue and metal HQ.

This rumour poster puts the BT release later:

ghost21 wrote:From what I heard BT will be in the new starter box ala Black Reach, quickly followed by their dex, as I really don't collect marines I kinda usually skip those meetings.(...)
The order I heard was BT just after 6th.

Malakai wrote:Is there a rumour that BT are going to be in the 6th ed box?

Yup, with Daemons apparently (odd choice I thought).

Malakai wrote:How reliable is this rumour? I know that anything this far out is sketchy, but maybe on a scale of 1-10?

I'd give it a 7, but remember I don't usually pay attention to Marines. I'm a Chaos and Xeno guy, but I did hear there's a character who makes a certain Grey Knights character look tame...
Oh sisters codex ... shall we say nicest codex cover of the year?(...)

The "prototypes" that a few people saw were BT and Daemons. I only report what I see and hear.

Wasn't the starter box meant to be an affordable entry into the hobby? AoBR did that.
Now BT and demons don't seem to fill the cheap models spot in GW's lines.

Considering this rumor, BT are more anti-demon than GK? Their hate so pure they become immune against the warp? Male SoS?
Isn't a Close range oriented army without psykers a bad choice vs demons? ( lacking psychic blanks for now.)

Vladamyr wrote:

However, if BT i truly going to be in the 6th Starter Box.....I pray to any god that will listen that they write the Tau codex for 6th so they don't have the same issue they had on their last release....Tau!!! AWESOME!!!!! ........5th edi release....... wait what....

Its not the BlackTemplars fault. Tau were to be put into their place no matter which marine codex will follow. And there is always one out there to get you...

This is something I can really look forward to now. I hope to see some up to date plastics for them, they were the first ones with the upgrade kit, its not bad but not as good as the BA and SW kits. They have come a long way from their armageddon days (which I miss!).

As far as anyone saying why they need a codex for only being a 2nd founding? Ha...just read their fluff, you will understand.

1hadhq wrote:Its not the BlackTemplars fault. Tau were to be put into their place no matter which marine codex will follow. And there is always one out there to get you...

I am not blaming BTs, i was just stating that if they are slated to come out as 6th and that they are directly after Tau. That would mean Tau would be at the end of 5th edi. If its truly the one before they will prolly make their codex with that in mind. Where as for their last release, it was late into 4th but to soon before 5th for them to consider the BRB changes.

lol @ BT Libs!

Vladamyr wrote:

Tailgunner wrote:

dienekes96 wrote:The tears of the xenos players are delicious.

You are a very bad man...

I like Marines - I even liked the Stormraven (well, most of it). And I already have a BT army. But with the Grey Knights I've reached power armour saturation point. The models, which are largely excellent, don't prompt me to reach for my credit card, and the codex was over-written and, in many places, clumsy to the point of silliness. The level to which they have cranked up the special rules is also such that non-Marine players are justified in asking what is going on. So I would like to see a very long gap between the Grey Knights and the next Marine release (Sisters would be very welcome). I would love to see the Necrons get the kind of make-over that the DE got - a new Monolith model, some more big stuff, and plastic Wraiths and Immortals. Plus a codex full of fluff to give them more depth. Thats the kind of thing that WH40k needs.

I agree, Necrons, and Tau are in extreme need for fluff. I think that Necron, SoB, Tau, BT, seems extremely reasonable. However, if BT i truly going to be in the 6th Starter Box.....I pray to any god that will listen that they write the Tau codex for 6th so they don't have the same issue they had on their last release....Tau!!! AWESOME!!!!! ........5th edi release....... wait what....

I feel your pain *hides the robed green marines in darkness to let them continue their secret loving in secret*

If BT are in the starter though Tau in with them so they get an update asap would be good, also fits with their crusade splatting into Tau territory stuff. Old grudges die hard, and you thought dwarves were bad for it

so much for Jarvis promising everyone that every army would see a new codex before 6th edition.

Unfortunately the people above him say otherwise.

Hopefully if this pans out it will give the BT some decent elites (sword brethern more along the lines of the old wolf guard), but mainly I hope they fix the points issues and bring them back in line with the other marines... while the FAQ was not bad, could they at least have made it so that the BT don have th most expensive and under-equipped Rhino in the game???? A better FAQ fixing those issues and the BT could actually wait quite a bit longer before needing a new 'dex

That was a major sticking point with me. While differing armies may pay more or less for a given peice of equipment not errataing the points costs of other chapters transports and the chimera's and rhinos in DH and WH really stank. Obviously the argument "but then the book needs stuff downloaded to even be viable" argument comes into it which is a whole new headache!

What this rumour suggests to me - whether it's true or not - is that armies updated within the next few months - eg. Necrons, Tau & Sisters - could be rendered 'weak' by the introduction of a new edition after their release, which was one of KK's constant 'fears' for the idea of Tau being updated. Obviously however this depends on how big a change 6th edition is, and I don't think a large change is needed or going to happen as I believe 5th is possibly the best so far.

Nonetheless, I think a Black Templar/Chaos Daemons box set (AOBR style), is a bit weird. I think they're both a bit... 'fluid' and movement orientated and non-uniform armies to work with such a sprue design, unlike Ultramarines IMHO. But it worked in a way for the Orks, so you never know.
However, surely if the Chaos Daemons are in the boxed set, this could mean PLASTIC PLAGUEBEARERS?

Plastic bearers would definately be a nice addition! (assuming the price isnt made silly)

Urg...BT in the starter set. I love my templars, but I don't want to see them in the starter set, they had the spot light in 3rd edition. (When I started them) I don't see them as a starter army, and if they get new plastics, I don't want them to be snap togeather like in the starter set, unless they pump out some other plastic kits like BA and SW.

All in all, I do want my BT to get a new codex, but not at the point of seeing my templars become the new ultramarines, showing up with every new player... =\ (no hate with new players!)

OK, how did this "BT in the starter" nonsense get started? I really doubt GW is going to intentionally cut 95% of its starter sales to existing and aspiring Marine players by molding chapter-specific icons on starter box Marines.

lord_blackfang wrote:OK, how did this "BT in the starter" nonsense get started? I really doubt GW is going to intentionally cut 95% of its starter sales to existing and aspiring Marine players by molding chapter-specific icons on starter box Marines.

Probably the same way "BT and Sisters in the same dex!" nonsense gets started. Some poster who's full of bad ideas has one, and somebody else spreads it as rumor.

Honestly i think sisters will be first, over on Astronomican, they had pictures of Codex pages up, even showing an entry for Arbites.

Commisar Von Humps wrote:Honestly i think sisters will be first, over on Astronomican, they had pictures of Codex pages up, even showing an entry for Arbites.

To be fair though, we've seen them too and they were pretty much identified as fakes,

lord_blackfang wrote:OK, how did this "BT in the starter" nonsense get started? I really doubt GW is going to intentionally cut 95% of its starter sales to existing and aspiring Marine players by molding chapter-specific icons on starter box Marines.

like they did with the black reach box by putting smurf symbols on all the marines?

Just Dave wrote:

Commisar Von Humps wrote:Honestly i think sisters will be first, over on Astronomican, they had pictures of Codex pages up, even showing an entry for Arbites.

To be fair though, we've seen them too and they were pretty much identified as fakes,

Oh, my bad , didn't know.

But what about Tau? I heard they were coming almost right after necrons.

It's all right, can't know everything.

AFAIK, it's Necrons then touch and go between Sisters or Tau after them, but Kroothawk's the man to go to on such a matter...

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:

lord_blackfang wrote:OK, how did this "BT in the starter" nonsense get started? I really doubt GW is going to intentionally cut 95% of its starter sales to existing and aspiring Marine players by molding chapter-specific icons on starter box Marines.

like they did with the black reach box by putting smurf symbols on all the marines?

Wow, GW must have made a totally different starter just for you! Lucky!

Does this mean that sisters, tau, and necrons will be updated for at most one year before they become out of date again?


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Just Dave wrote:
However, surely if the Chaos Daemons are in the boxed set, this could mean PLASTIC PLAGUEBEARERS?

Yes, but you'd only be able to get them in the starter kit. You know, so that the GW execs would have a good reason to stand on the balcony and cackle.

I actually hope the rumor on here about a Black Templar/Daemon starter kit is true. I'm sure it'll mean plastic plague bearers, probably plastic fiends, a plastic herald of sorts plus the new BT love (even though I really enjoy BT now with the FAQ and agree they don't need to be changed).

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:
like they did with the black reach box by putting smurf symbols on all the marines?

If by "putting smurf symbols on all the marines" you mean "put a decal sheet with Ultramarine iconography in addition to other Marines" then yes, they did!

You guys know that if BT are in the starter, they will:

A. Not have an chapter specific icons on them.

B. Be compatible models with all the other marine codexs.

But hey, the pretty picture on the front will be marines in black and white!

Brother SRM wrote:

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:
like they did with the black reach box by putting smurf symbols on all the marines?

If by "putting smurf symbols on all the marines" you mean "put a decal sheet with Ultramarine iconography in addition to other Marines" then yes, they did!

not on my set, my set had them sculpted on which made them hard to convert to other legions of mine

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:
not on my set, my set had them sculpted on which made them hard to convert to other legions of mine

The only Marines with sculpted on Ultramarines insignia are the ones in the painting kit - the little set of 5 Marines that came with a bunch of paint. The Marines in Black Reach have some sculpted on skulls and the like, but nothing resembling Ultramarines badges.

Ah yes, the AoBR painting set, where you got the 5 space marines. I never bought that kit and I myself have gone through 3 AoBR boxes.

I honestly can't see BTs in the new starter kit, I mean all you do is undercoat the miniature black and throw some deneb stone on the tabards and that's it for a basic colour scheme. Painting the black decently with highlights is more tedious than throwing blue and gold around to paint your first marine. They're really trying to cut down on the time spent on intro lessons so they can sell more boxes if this rumour has any truth behind it

However I am very interested to see what GW has produced for BTs, lots of tabards and crosses to go around!

Ehsteve wrote:I honestly can't see BTs in the new starter kit, I mean all you do is undercoat the miniature black and throw some deneb stone on the tabards and that's it for a basic colour scheme. Painting the black decently with highlights is more tedious than throwing blue and gold around to paint your first marine. They're really trying to cut down on the time spent on intro lessons so they can sell more boxes if this rumour has any truth behind it

However I am very interested to see what GW has produced for BTs, lots of tabards and crosses to go around!

GW will continue to push the Ultramarines at new players regardless of whether or not BTs are on the box for a new starter set, and since the starter boxes will not have any pre-molded icons on them the transfer sheet will continue to contain a good variety of other chapters to use.

As for Daemons, I would love to see them in a starter kit. The fact that I cannot get any sort of boxed deal on daemons is what keeps me from playing them, not counting websites where I can get a bulk deal for a decent rate.

btemple0 wrote:As for Daemons, I would love to see them in a starter kit. The fact that I cannot get any sort of boxed deal on daemons is what keeps me from playing them, not counting websites where I can get a bulk deal for a decent rate.

The thing that prevents them from getting a boxed deal is also what makes them a poor choice for a starter set: they're made up of four different sub-factions with almost nothing in common. You'd be better off with a broader mono-God themed force like Plague Marines + Cultists + Plaguebearers, but that can't happen unless GW combines CSM and Daemons into a single Chaos army again.

lord_blackfang wrote:OK, how did this "BT in the starter" nonsense get started?

This (supported by the BoK rumour):

ghost21 wrote:From what I heard BT will be in the new starter box ala Black Reach, quickly followed by their dex, as I really don't collect marines I kinda usually skip those meetings.(...)
The order I heard was BT just after 6th.

Malakai wrote:Is there a rumour that BT are going to be in the 6th ed box?

Yup, with Daemons apparently (odd choice I thought).

Malakai wrote:How reliable is this rumour? I know that anything this far out is sketchy, but maybe on a scale of 1-10?

I'd give it a 7, but remember I don't usually pay attention to Marines.(...)
The "prototypes" that a few people saw were BT and Daemons. I only report what I see annd hear.

Just Dave wrote:AFAIK, it's Necrons then touch and go between Sisters or Tau after them, but Kroothawk's the man to go to on such a matter...

The jury is still out what's next after Necrons. Necrons-Sisters-Tau-BT would be a plausible mix of Imperial/Xeno though, updating 3rd edition Codices first and giving Mat Ward enough time to write the next SM Codex.

Ehsteve wrote:I honestly can't see BTs in the new starter kit, I mean all you do is undercoat the miniature black and throw some deneb stone on the tabards and that's it for a basic colour scheme.

Standards are the same, but many elites and HQ look different. Looking at Space Hulk and the Fantasy starter, crazy things are possible now with moulds.

I was wondering if BT would be in the 6th starter, seems to fit with other rumours we've heard. Either way new Templar stuff is very cool news even if it's not until next year!

Phill kelly is going to write the Bt codex, so that should be great oh and new units added for bt as well. by Jared van Kell
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A little but nothing solid. What I have heard.

- Phil Kelly is writing the Codex.
- More emphasis on the horde aspect of the army with lots of large units of Initiates and Neophytes.
- Emperors Champion is more in line with the company champion of the Grey Knights but is still 2 wounds. Gains preferred enemy against independent characters and monstrous creatures.

I will let you know as I hear more.



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Some additional bits.

- I forgot to mention the Rightous Zeal rule could be changing to be more along the lines of the Rage USR. Something along the lines of if they fail a Ld test then they are subject to Rage and must advance towards the nearest enemy unit. As yet the details are sketchy.
- All the current special characters (ie: Helbrect and Grimaldius) will remain. Also I had heard of an mention of a special character who is like the greatest of all of the Emperor's Champions and the greatest warrior in the Black Templars. I had heard mention of a bike mounted special character with a lance like weapon but I cannot confirm this yet.

Also I had heard of an mention of a special character who is like the greatest of all of the Emperor's Champions and the greatest warrior in the Black Templars.

Clearly this will be Matt Ward's contribution to the Codex.

What's the bet he takes down at least three Avatars, the second two after breaking his sword in the chest of the first?

dienekes96 wrote:The tears of the xenos players are delicious.

troll harder. you're bad at it.

*and off to the ignore list you go.

To be fair, complaining about too many marine codices when the release schedule has actually sped up in 5th compared to 4th ignores the fact that xenos releases haven't actually gone down.

The limiting factor for releasing new books isn't the books, or the rules. It's the models. And marine armies are cheap and easy. 75% of the models are plug and play (tacticals, rhino/predators/landraiders/etc, assault marines, devestators, scouts, dreadnoughts, terminators, bikes/attackbikes/scout bikes, etcetera)

So, whip up three to five plastic kits and voila! instant chapter codex! It worked for BA, who got the storm raven (shared with GK), furioso, death co, sang guard, and a Baal upgrade sprue. Wolves only got the wolf pack and wolf guard termies. Nilla marines got scout bikes, the drop pod, and the redeemer. Compare that to dark eldar, which got warriors, wyches, hellions, bikes, raider, and ravager. Now nids got hosed, hard, but IG also got two command boxes, new sentinel, recut Russ and Chimera, valkyrie, manticore, and hellhound. Additionally, there has been many new releases for Orks, a few for demons, and even a few new Eldar kits all in fifth.

4th edition only saw five non-marine books: nids, tau, eldar, orks, and demons, compared to nilla, black templar, dark angels, and Chaos. And demons is for intents a fifth edition book. Now, in those four releases, it's not like the xenos armies got a ton of love in plastic. Nids got the fex and new stealers. Tau got the piranha, stealths, and the skyray. Eldar got the wraithlord, warwalkers, dire avengers with the codex, and the platform and serpent at some point. Orks got recut boys, new trukk, bikes, and lootas in fourth. (plenty more came out later). Demons only got 'letters and demonettes (while they got hounds, crushers, horrors, and the prince in fifth).

So, while they're doing a lot of SM books in fifth, it's not that many more, they're doing mroe books, each with mroe kits, and the non-marines are getting deeper ranges with each release (with the notable exception of nids).

^This.

Also as an Off-topic note, News&Rumors is not the place to be wishlisting things, although I may be guilty of doing that from time to time, I do know that the wishlisting does cause a thread to get locked. In other words, if a rumor does not include your faction and you cannot contribute to the discussion, find somewhere else to post, so the discussion may continue.

Edit: changed my wording.

Who also has that weird feeling that the BTs will also become Codex Astartes compliant.......

Either way, some decent stuff is coming out within the next year or so!!

That is just about as likely as the wolves saying rowboat knew what he was talking about.

Jordankeeps wrote:
- More emphasis on the horde aspect of the army with lots of large units of Initiates and Neophytes.

Initiates in a marine dex? Codex meatshields that will be..

Jordankeeps wrote:
- I forgot to mention the Rightous Zeal rule could be changing to be more along the lines of the Rage USR.

Rage? And fnp and ....
The move from codex specific rules to USR is not a secret. Just maybe more than the few USR would be nice to differ the codices a bit.

Jordankeeps wrote:
- I had heard of an mention of a special character who is like the greatest of all of the Emperor's Champions and the greatest warrior in the Black Templars.
- I had heard mention of a bike mounted special character with a lance like weapon..

Super champignon and knight rider.

The greatest EmperorsChampion was the founder of the BlackTemplars but I doubt he returns.
OTOH welcome back former 1st captain of the ImperialFists Space Marine Legion.

The theme of knights taken to far - knights riding on "iron steeds" in a lance formation and poking the Emperors enemys with their extra pointy extra long sticks of knightlyhood.

I'd like a redone plastic bike tough.

1hadhq wrote:

Jordankeeps wrote:
- More emphasis on the horde aspect of the army with lots of large units of Initiates and Neophytes.

Initiates in a marine dex? Codex meatshields that will be..

I'm not sure what you're getting at, here.

Initiates and Neophytes are in the current Black Templar Codex.

Neophytes wear scout armor (basically). Initiates are Black Templar Space Marines. They form up the current Crusader Squads. You can do 20 man squad (10 of each).

I am getting at : More emphasis, horde, lots of large units. .

So lots of 4+ meatshields.
Not as many as common now, MORE.

But certainly I got the "initiates" mixed with something completly different.
Forgot the changing effect of localized codices, Sorry.

I see.

H.B.M.C. wrote:What's the bet he takes down at least three Avatars, the second two after breaking his sword in the chest of the first?

That's boring. He first kills an Avatar by plunging his sword in its chest through its fiery heart. Then he kills the second avatar by breaking its back since he used it as a makeshift anvil to reforge his sword as it was still hot from the first avatar. The third avatar is an easy kill since he's now wielding a super-sword.

Can't be worse than Fulgrim choking an Avatar to death that doesn't even breath

Yes, but it's somewhat more believable a Primarch doing it than a bog standard marine. And for your information, there are energy lines running through Avatars and chakra points, same as any other 'living' being

Speaking as a Xeno player, I'm all in favour of seeing more variety amongst the canned food. It's only the power creep that really ruins it for me - I've had my DA regular gaming partner leave the hobby when the pre-3++SS chapters were waiting to get FAQ'd. If there were one thing I'd like to see, it's for at least a third of Marine codexes to be for a Traitor legion. At the very least, Iron Warriors could easily carry off a dedicated dex with all Mechanicus equivalents in there (and I suppose an obligatory plastic MC Obliterator) as a 'spearhead' release to regain the late 3E Chaos dex's best part.

lord_blackfang wrote:OK, how did this "BT in the starter" nonsense get started? I really doubt GW is going to intentionally cut 95% of its starter sales to existing and aspiring Marine players by molding chapter-specific icons on starter box Marines.

BT a playable race in the upcoming Dark Millenium MMO. Might make sense if 6th is released around the same time they start hyping or release the MMO. . .

more marines?MORE MARINES? wtf? 50% of GW's releases last year were made up of marines. I WANT XENOS!!!!!

walker90234 wrote:more marines?MORE MARINES? wtf? 50% of GW's releases last year were made up of marines. I WANT XENOS!!!!!

Hmm.. three releases last year, so unless one release was a half-marine dex, you mathematically cannot be right. We had tyranids (xenos), then BA, then DE (xenos). Looks like 2/3 xenos to me as far as codices go...

If you mean in the last 12 mos (april to april), then sure 50/50, but does that surprise yo with GW's xeno-> marine->xeno->marine pattern?

you mean SM, non SM, SM pattern.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Also I had heard of an mention of a special character who is like the greatest of all of the Emperor's Champions and the greatest warrior in the Black Templars.

Clearly this will be Matt Ward's contribution to the Codex.

What's the bet he takes down at least three Avatars, the second two after breaking his sword in the chest of the first?

Not quite. In fact the rumor is that the Emperor's Champion is a powerful psyker, and psionicly carved his name on Uldrad's soul.

Nagashek wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Also I had heard of an mention of a special character who is like the greatest of all of the Emperor's Champions and the greatest warrior in the Black Templars.

Clearly this will be Matt Ward's contribution to the Codex.

What's the bet he takes down at least three Avatars, the second two after breaking his sword in the chest of the first?

Not quite. In fact the rumor is that the Emperor's Champion is a powerful psyker, and psionicly carved his name on Uldrad's soul.

WAAARRRDD!!!!!!!