Hi everyone, and sorry if this is in the wrong place since I wasn't sure where to post it. I was looking at some forgeworld tanks such as Imperial Macharius Vulcan Heavy tank and the death korps of krieg etc. I just wanted to know, are forgeworld minis worth the money, both in the game aspect and modeling aspect? I have heard people saying there are a lot of flash lines and something about resin dust... So yeah I couldn't really decide, and so I have turned to all you Dakkaites.

They ARE expensive, but they look soooo geeeewwwwd.

Don't forget warped long bits! The little FW stuff I've bought that's been the major annoyance for me, standing in the sink, carefully bending resin under the hot tap.

I'd say that FW is probably too expensive for what you get, but does it ever look nice. An utter decadence, but a satisfying one.

It's getting harder and harder to make a judgement call on things like this these days...the price of the hobby is raising everyday it seems....I mean, 8 years ago you would faint to imagine spending £10 on a single miniature...

I think, you have to be aware of the quality issues with FW products, but, if you call them and explain, they will usually make good the problem....so really, it comes down to how much money you have and whether you want the item of not.

You don't NEED FW to play WH40K, so in pure gaming terms, I don't think it is worth it.

IMO the answer depends on what arrives at your door. If luck is with you and you get a good cast FW stuff is quite nice. However, if your luck is poor you end up with tons of flash, bubbles, warped parts, etc.

It seems that FW has 0 quality control...they just pop it out of the mold, bag it and ship it...then hope they got it right or the customer doesnt complain. They go by the "dont worry until the customer complains" theory.

Its really a mixed bag...but it does seem the quality on the bigger/more expensive stuff is a bit better than the smaller/cheaper stuff.

If you dont mind the possibility of putting some work into it, then order away. If you want something thats gonna slap together in 30 minutes...leave FW alone.


As far as resin dust goes...if/when you sand the parts try not to breath the dust...just that simple.

Like all the things the "worth" of something is a personal choice and something you have to examine for yourself based upon your own particular beliefs, budget, desires, etc..

Very little that we buy in life is actually "worth" what we pay for it.

Gaming is a luxury. IF something for it is in your budget and is something you desire owning then it will be "worth" it to you.

Some people think Games Workshop in general isn't "worth" the prices demanded for it.

Most people in the world would say that wargaming stuff in general isn't "worth" the prices demanded for what they would consider "toys".

It is all relative...

CT GAMER wrote:Like all the things the "worth" of something is a personal choice and something you have to examine for yourself based upon your own particular beliefs, budget, desires, etc..

Very little that we buy in life is actually "worth" what we pay for it.

Gaming is a luxury. IF something for it is in your budget and is something you desire owning then it will be "worth" it to you.

Some people think Games Workshop in general isn't "worth" the prices demanded for it.

Most people in the world would say that wargaming stuff in general isn't "worth" the prices demanded for what they would consider "toys".

It is all relative...

Very good answer, but when I meant worth, I meant it as in the quality to price ratio etc.

tehbarry wrote:I meant it as in the quality to price ratio etc.

I would have to say no on that count. The quality of product you receive does not tally with the price. I've seen better resin casts from smaller companies for lower prices. Still hard to resist, though.

I think they are certainly expensive even in comparison to the resin products offered by other companies. Putting aside quality issues, because you can always get replacements, the do make some very nice models.

It sounds boring, but the only person who can really decide if they are 'worth it' is you, because it's your money and everyone has their different line as to what they are prepared to spend. In general I think GW have gone beyond having products worth the money they charge, but they still make very nice stuff all the same. So my purchases are limited to the occasional treat, I don't make regular purchases FW or otherwise.

I'll be ordering a pair of Epic-scale Warhound Titans and Thunderhawks for my new E:A Space Marine Army.

$100... but they look so coo!

Are they worth it?

Gaming, no. Rules are absolutely awful and in the worst case scenario people will try and pinch em while you aren't looking.

Modelling and painting wise, they are top notch, great quality (although the casting is sometimes a bit dubious).

Other than a number of the older kits being horrible as far as actual models go (trying putting together an all-resin Stormblade and try not going insane... I dare you!), Forge World is definitely worth it.

I've got quite a lot of FW stuff these days, and other than Mr. Stormblade I don't regret buying any of it.


As others have said, the rules aren't worth much; most FW stuff is overpriced and underpowered with the odd thing that so grossly overpowered it makes you wonder what they were thinking. That said it's still fun to have, and sometimes it's just cool to have the Forge World Tech-Priest rather than a regular Enginseer, or cool looking Stygies-Pattern Vanquishers, and things like that.

I'm adding more and more FW bitz to my Orks. In this case I don't care about the rules, just the models. I'm using tracks and big tracks as my trucks and a killkrusha as a battlewagon. Mecha and Mega Dreads for my Deffdreads. The models are so cool, with so much detail. I really enjoy painting them. Cleaning them up and getting ready to paint, ...not so much.)

I know i'm gonna find out soon, bought two rhino dozer blades and some chain axes.


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H.B.M.C. wrote:Other than a number of the older kits being horrible as far as actual models go (trying putting together an all-resin Stormblade and try not going insane... I dare you!), Forge World is definitely worth it.

I've got quite a lot of FW stuff these days, and other than Mr. Stormblade I don't regret buying any of it.


As others have said, the rules aren't worth much; most FW stuff is overpriced and underpowered with the odd thing that so grossly overpowered it makes you wonder what they were thinking. That said it's still fun to have, and sometimes it's just cool to have the Forge World Tech-Priest rather than a regular Enginseer, or cool looking Stygies-Pattern Vanquishers, and things like that.

What was wrong with your stormblade, i was just looking at those the other day.

It's a question you really, really need to ask yourself. You're paying a premium, but the models are gorgeous if there are no miscasts. I've ordered from Forgeworld a couple times and never had any problems.

Short answer: Yes.

Longer answer:
1.) Models sure are expensive but getting closer to GW models pricewise over the years.
2.) They have a mediocre quality control, but replace miscasts if you phone them (emails don't work).
3.) Several models are for Apocalypse games only like the super-heavies. Others are for normal sized games allowing for FW rules. Others are perfect matches for official units. DKoK is a normal IG army with some special items not covered in the Codex, so you can make a perfectly legal army for all games including tournaments. But of course, a Forge World horde army is very expensive.
4.) Resin needs more care working with than plastic. See tutorials for that.

BTW, the Imperial Armour books are also worth it, esp. if you are interested in one of the fractions covered.

Well, it depends. FW is worth it as long as you think the increase in model quality is worth the price premium. The "worthiness" of any particular model will vary by how much you like its æsthetics, whether GW has a suitable alternative, whether you can use it in normal play, etc.

misfit wrote:I know i'm gonna find out soon, bought two rhino dozer blades and some chain axes.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Other than a number of the older kits being horrible as far as actual models go (trying putting together an all-resin Stormblade and try not going insane... I dare you!), Forge World is definitely worth it.

I've got quite a lot of FW stuff these days, and other than Mr. Stormblade I don't regret buying any of it.


As others have said, the rules aren't worth much; most FW stuff is overpriced and underpowered with the odd thing that so grossly overpowered it makes you wonder what they were thinking. That said it's still fun to have, and sometimes it's just cool to have the Forge World Tech-Priest rather than a regular Enginseer, or cool looking Stygies-Pattern Vanquishers, and things like that.

What was wrong with your stormblade, i was just looking at those the other day.

Probably the fact that it was all-resin.

As a sidenote: Forge World is far better about answering emails than they used to be. You just have to email your problems to the proper place:
If you have a problem with your order, make it clear in the title with 'Issue with Order # XXXX' and send it to fworderenquiries@games-workshop.co.uk

General inquiries(this is everything but issues with an order or defective parts, etc) go to forgeworld@games-workshop.co.uk

tehbarry wrote:Hi everyone, and sorry if this is in the wrong place since I wasn't sure where to post it. I was looking at some forgeworld tanks such as Imperial Macharius Vulcan Heavy tank and the death korps of krieg etc. I just wanted to know, are forgeworld minis worth the money, both in the game aspect and modeling aspect? I have heard people saying there are a lot of flash lines and something about resin dust... So yeah I couldn't really decide, and so I have turned to all you Dakkaites.

FW is for advanced players/modelers. Make a normal army first, then look at some FW rules and prices to decide if it's worth it to you.

tehbarry wrote:

CT GAMER wrote:Like all the things the "worth" of something is a personal choice and something you have to examine for yourself based upon your own particular beliefs, budget, desires, etc..

Very little that we buy in life is actually "worth" what we pay for it.

Gaming is a luxury. IF something for it is in your budget and is something you desire owning then it will be "worth" it to you.

Some people think Games Workshop in general isn't "worth" the prices demanded for it.

Most people in the world would say that wargaming stuff in general isn't "worth" the prices demanded for what they would consider "toys".

It is all relative...

Very good answer, but when I meant worth, I meant it as in the quality to price ratio etc.

And my answer still stands.

I know a few guys that can build stuff out of plasticard and what-not that rivals or exceeds the look of FW items for a fraction of the cost. So for them FW is not a good buy.

IF however you are a guy who has no skill at building or doesn't have the time, etc. then the price of FW might be a worthwhile investment.

Do you have the time/skill/materials to make items yourself that will equal/exceed the FW items? IF yes then FW isn't a good buy, if no and you want the item bad enough then the price/quality of FW is far less of a factor as you may have no other option...

they're too expensive, and have no quality control
every time I've gotten something from them its been a pile of useless plastic
I send it back, it still comes back with problems
anything forgeworld I have I bought second hand because I refuse to deal with such a terrible company
nice models they do have but I can't seem to get a good model from these people

Yor wrote:they're too expensive, and have no quality control
every time I've gotten something from them its been a pile of useless plastic
I send it back, it still comes back with problems
anything forgeworld I have I bought second hand because I refuse to deal with such a terrible company
nice models they do have but I can't seem to get a good model from these people

*sniffs*
There's a funny burning smell here...
Anyways:

every time I've gotten something from them its been a pile of useless plastic

I don't know what you're buying from Forge World, but nothing they cast is in plastic.

I send it back, it still comes back with problems
anything forgeworld I have I bought second hand because I refuse to deal with such a terrible company

Are you sure you're actually contacting Forge World? Because they've never asked for me to return anything in any case where I've had issues.

At best, I've had to provide photographs in order for them to replace things.

nice models they do have but I can't seem to get a good model from these people

You just said you don't buy from them. You buy secondhand.

If that's the case, I wouldn't be surprised that you're getting recasted crap.

Is FW worth it? In my opinion, no. I quite often find myself clicking FW links when people post newsletters or new releases and I think 'ooh, that's nice', then I look at the price and I think again. I would love a DKOK army but my interest completely evaporates when I cost up the price of it.

I had good experience with them. Bought the respirators and accessories for my Cadian shock troops. Only one item was acutely broken which was a power sword with no sword. Other then that everything was fine. Anything that was a bit warped or chipped was no diffidence then getting stuff from GW and having it bent.

I was acutely skeptical about it all but the pictures on some models they have do it no good compared to when you get them and get to look how closely there detailed.

Their FW Tau Suits are very close to what the GW suits cost especially the broadsides.

Also its the only other place to get autocannons for dreads (non-CSM).

Depends on what you want to order from them. What exactly are your looking at?

I will just add that i sent an email inquiring about the Rhino Spaced armour (currently OOP but will be back in a month or 2) they replayed within a few days. Though Reds8n beat me to it by ringing up. In short they are good for email inquiries but it is still better by phone.

I would say if you can afford it go for it! Wargaming is pointless in the grand scheme of things, so why not splash the extra 50% price on some absolutely GORGEOUS models? The infantry are beautifully cast (got 2 sets of space marine armours, apart from a couple wrinkles in the heresy cabling they are pristine). With the tanks it still is a bit of pot luck especially as your order will be freighted (Norway?) so risks alot more compression/impacts/temperature fluctuations.
Ps modelling wise they have zero conversion possiblity, then again why would you want to?!

CT GAMER wrote:Very little that we buy in life is actually "worth" what we pay for it.

Hm? As an investment, it's not really worth it. Look in the Swap Shop - NIB stuff won't even get full price.

But I think it's worth the money I pay for the hobby, because if not, why would I buy it?

Anyway, like others said, it depends on what you're buying.

For example, GW Chaos Dreadnought = £36. FW Chaos Dread (w/2 arms) = £40

Totally worth it, given the quality between the UK and FW chaos dreads.

I have spent a good amount of money on FW. From drop troops, to Tau commanders, and now my favorite thing is the pre-heresy armor. The only thing I have ever gotten that was remotely warped was my IG tank turret, the barrel was slightly warped, so just some hot water and that thing was fixed no problem.

I use FW as a display, something that stands out above the rest. It adds a lot and looks great and can really make you proud once you get something built up and painted nicely.

I say go for FW, but only in small amounts.

I do like how CT Gamer is implying that FW is for those who don't have the skill to do it themselves.

Talk about elitism...

H.B.M.C. wrote:I do like how CT Gamer is implying that FW is for those who don't have the skill to do it themselves.

Talk about elitism...

I don't really think of it as elitism.

I'm not anywhere near talented enough to build the stuff out of plasticard. I know that.

Just like some people would rather pay to get an army painted by a professional, some of us would rather not develop the skills to scratchbuild the stuff.

Plus apparently some of us can hold onto our wallets long enough to save up for shiny things, rather than splurge every few weeks on whole armies.

Because God forbid that anyone actually *gasp* like a FW model! No, no, no. We simply must be buying them because we cannot do it ourselves.

Careful HB.
That was almost a defense of a GW subsidiary!

*One of us...one of us...one of us...*

H.B.M.C. wrote:I do like how CT Gamer is implying that FW is for those who don't have the skill to do it themselves.

Talk about elitism...

And I do like how you are always looking to be offended. It never gets old. Really...


I said no such thing, so quit trying to make everything into a pissing contest.

I buy FW stuff. I buy lots of stuff from places like Maxmini, etc., etc.

Why?

Because either i can't make the item myself or the time and money it would take me to do it are such that I would rather just pay to get a particular item. It comes down to what your own time is worth, what your own skills and resources are, etc.

So as I stated: the worth of something is dependent on how badly I want it, and if I can build or acquire it someplace else for cheaper.

There is a reason that the side companies that are producing various bits and kits that work with GW models are so successful: because not everyone has the skill, time or desire to make said items for themselves.

The items I want but can't make myself I am willing to pay more for then things I can/want to make myself. Try to follow along...

While my wallet still cringes at the memory, and I will never tell me wife the full cost I do not regret my Elysian Drop Army. I had no problems with the infantry out side of a few lasguns which just needed a hot bath, and a few of the shoulder pads were thin. The vultures had some huge vent pieces to cut off, but nothing wrong with the model itself.

I don't think FW is "worth it". Product wise you do not get what you pay for. Atheistically you do IMO. So it is kinda a toss up. I personally will continue to buy FW when I have the money for it.

Start with a resin/plastic kit, if you go all out with a huge all resin model without any prior resin modeling experience, you may find yourself wasting quite a bit of cash.

Salted Diamond wrote:

Product wise you do not get what you pay for. Atheistically you do IMO. So it is kinda a toss up.

Which pretty much sums up all of GW based wargaming. We pay extravagant sums of money for relatively tiny amounts of plastic, etc.

But we do it because we have decided that it is "worth it" despite knowing we are overpaying.

Again it comes down to if what you are getting satisfies whatever itch you are trying to scratch. Hobbies are usually not exercises in wise and economical spending, but that is half the fun...

The Night Stalker wrote:Start with a resin/plastic kit, if you go all out with a huge all resin model without any prior resin modeling experience, you may find yourself wasting quite a bit of cash.

QFT. I think this is where a lot of people go wrong. They get FW thinking it will be just like a GW model. They don't read the tutorial's or do any research. When they can't get it right, they declare it them worthless and a waste of money.

Salted Diamond wrote:

The Night Stalker wrote:Start with a resin/plastic kit, if you go all out with a huge all resin model without any prior resin modeling experience, you may find yourself wasting quite a bit of cash.

QFT. I think this is where a lot of people go wrong. They get FW thinking it will be just like a GW model. They don't read the tutorial's or do any research. When they can't get it right, they declare it them worthless and a waste of money.

Or trade it in.)

I think I traded for over 2k in FW models last year at my shop.

You should read some tutorials on how to work with resin before you begin, but the two biggest things are :
A) Wash the model and parts in warm water with dishsoap, scrubbing lightly, with an old toothbrush or so.
B) When filing, WEAR A DUST MASK!! Also, it will be beneficial to keep a dish of water near by (catches floating particles) or to have a vacuum cleaner handy. Just make sure that you don't vacuum up any bits.
Resin dust can be somewhat dangerous to your health, so exercise caution.

Alternatively: you can wet down both the part you're filing/sawing and the file/saw itself and it causes the dust to essentially 'stick' making it easier to clean/dispose of.

Still: should wear a mask when doing that.

Delephont wrote:It's getting harder and harder to make a judgement call on things like this these days...the price of the hobby is raising everyday it seems....I mean, 8 years ago you would faint to imagine spending £10 on a single miniature...

But you have to take monetary inflation into account.

Simple answer: No.

FW is over-priced and quality control is 0% to non-existant.

CT GAMER wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:I do like how CT Gamer is implying that FW is for those who don't have the skill to do it themselves.

Talk about elitism...

I buy FW stuff. I buy lots of stuff from places like Maxmini, etc., etc.

Why?

Because either i can't make the item myself or the time and money it would take me to do it are such that I would rather just pay to get a particular item. It comes down to what your own time is worth, what your own skills and resources are, etc.

So as I stated: the worth of something is dependent on how badly I want it, and if I can build or acquire it someplace else for cheaper.

There is a reason that the side companies that are producing various bits and kits that work with GW models are so successful: because not everyone has the skill, time or desire to make said items for themselves.

The items I want but can't make myself I am willing to pay more for then things I can/want to make myself. Try to follow along...

I think what H.B.M.C is saying, is that sometimes it has nothing to do with your own skils, you may just like something that has been made by them. Of course, if you have the resources to copy every design you see, point for point, then sure, go ahead.....I guess you will save some money. However, I guess, in the main, people could only hope to make an approximation of the original design.....so unless you're willing to settle for a derivative version of a FW iteml, buying it is really your only option.

On a semi related question was considering for the fututre their resin doors for SM vehicles, whats the problems they've had with those as tbh never thought FW worth the price tag. Pity nowadays IA books at stupid money a pop seem to be the way players are considering the norm :(

Delephont wrote:

CT GAMER wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:I do like how CT Gamer is implying that FW is for those who don't have the skill to do it themselves.

Talk about elitism...

I buy FW stuff. I buy lots of stuff from places like Maxmini, etc., etc.

Why?

Because either i can't make the item myself or the time and money it would take me to do it are such that I would rather just pay to get a particular item. It comes down to what your own time is worth, what your own skills and resources are, etc.

So as I stated: the worth of something is dependent on how badly I want it, and if I can build or acquire it someplace else for cheaper.

There is a reason that the side companies that are producing various bits and kits that work with GW models are so successful: because not everyone has the skill, time or desire to make said items for themselves.

The items I want but can't make myself I am willing to pay more for then things I can/want to make myself. Try to follow along...

I think what H.B.M.C is saying, is that sometimes it has nothing to do with your own skils, you may just like something that has been made by them. Of course, if you have the resources to copy every design you see, point for point, then sure, go ahead.....I guess you will save some money. However, I guess, in the main, people could only hope to make an approximation of the original design.....so unless you're willing to settle for a derivative version of a FW iteml, buying it is really your only option.

I think we all know what HBMC was trying to say and do...

He honed in on one thing I said and tried to twist it as he had nothing constructive to add to the conversation. par for the course.


I listed a number of reasons why people buy things that others might find over-priced or "not worth it". Lack of ability to make it was but one of them.

And as I stated in response to Salted Diamond hobby spending is usually not based upon something being "worth it". We buy hobby stuff because we love/enjoy it so much that we are willing to pay large sums of money for it. Someone who is hardcore into GW/40K is going to be willing to spend more for a FW item then the casual player, and someone who plays a different game might see FW as a total rip-off, etc.

As gamers we all know we are paying crazy prices for many of the items we buy, but it is our chosen hobby so we rationalize/accept that it is necessary and "worth it".

@ CT GAMER

I'm not taking sides or anything just trying to see it from the other point of view.

If you and HBMC are having a turf war, I'll happily leave you to it.

Delephont wrote:@ CT GAMER

I'm not taking sides or anything just trying to see it from the other point of view.

If you and HBMC are having a turf war, I'll happily leave you to it.

No worries. This conversationis about pricing, what we are willing to spend for our hobbies, and the price/quality of FW within that context.

There is really nothing in this conversation to take offense over nor was I attacking anyone (since I was in effect describing myself as well).

But some people insist on bringing drama to any thread they involve themselves in sadly...

I will voluntarily leave this thread now so people an continue to discuss things without a certain individual running it into the ground as usual...

Good luck.

Wow, a lot of good views being shared here... Interesting... Anyways, some of you asked what I was looking at specifically over at FW, and that would be Death Korps of Krieg. Also, what is so dangerous about resin dust? Isn't it the same as normal dust?

tehbarry wrote:Wow, a lot of good views being shared here... Interesting... Anyways, some of you asked what I was looking at specifically over at FW, and that would be Death Korps of Krieg. Also, what is so dangerous about resin dust? Isn't it the same as normal dust?

Resin dust is a carcinogen. If you breath it in, it increases the chances you'll get lung cancer. Also, I've bought a whole tonne of krieg, they're the best casted models on forgeworld (and I believe they're the most popular). Every single cast I've had with them there have been no problems (going as far as hardly any mould lines or flash either).

Then again, with my elysians, I've had a case of nasty mould line over the faces... Also for Krieg infantry, do NOT use clippers to remove them from the spacer. In fact don't use clippers on them at all, the force the clippers generate will cause parts of the model to snap (such as the feet snapping off the legs). Use a knife to cut them, otherwise you'll need to fill the gaps with medium to hide the gaps. Especially important with the lasguns and bayonets, they will cause a nasty hole inside the tip of the lasgun which is impossible to fix aside from resculpting it yourself. Use a knife, save yourself a lot of hassle.

But would a knife be able to cut through resin? I don't really know that much about its properties... Wow, I didn't expect something like lung cancer to be a consequence of inhaling some resin dust by accident! O.o I'll definitely invest in some dust mask or something, thanks for the warning.

A good sharp knife can cut through resin quite easily, it's slightly softer than plastic. Something like an X-Acto or craft knife (even GW's knife works quite well) will be fine.

Larger more solid pieces of resin (such as in the resin vehicles) are more solid and will require a razor saw of some sort to cut reliably, I'd recommend in investing in one if you plan on getting a vehicle from forgeworld, their vehicle casting is far inferior to their infantry casting. They will often be of varying sizes (trust me, i've bought two armageddon basilisks and both had different interior sizes which caused me a massive headache).

I would recommend that you buy a conversion kit (the Leman Russ turrets are perfect for this) to experiment with resin. The turrets for the leman russes are really easy to put together, require basic cleanup (removing a few vents and some flash), you can't go wrong. Do this before getting the infantry which are incredibly fiddly compared to plastic, and when you apply too much pressure and break it by accident you'll be kicking yourself (this happened to me!).

Yeah I would love to do that but I'm kinda on a budget, since I only have 2630 kroner (danish currency, that would be 509.56 us dollars) to begin what I hope shall one day be a huge DKoK army. I really appreciate the advice on the resin though, so yeah thanks a million! Oh yeah, do you have nay pics or something of your death korps of krieg? I would be really interested in seeing some of them.

Unfortunately, I'm working on my Elysians right now, so I've put the Death Korps on the backburner right now, but DoubleT and Regnak have some pretty nice DKoK blogs you might want to check out.

I'm with the majority - if you value your hobby that much, cash in! If you can't afford it one way or the other, I wouldn't recommend it.

If you're keen on the modelling and painting aspects then its an excellent resource. If you are more of a gamer, you can still expect compliments because most of the models are kickarse and unique-looking. Dedicated converters get the same sort of response I guess!

In a recent game before deployment I was admiringly looking at my opponent's Lugft Huron model - I turned to see him regarding my converted Chariot of Khorne in the same fashion!

Don't worry, it's only sexually deviant if your bases touch.

Arctik_Firangi wrote:
In a recent game before deployment I was admiringly looking at my opponent's Lugft Huron model - I turned to see him regarding my converted Chariot of Khorne in the same fashion!

Don't worry, it's only sexually deviant if your bases touch.

Must...resist...urge...to...put..in...sig...(may I put it in my sig?)

I keep getting tempted by forge world bits.


The dust issue puts me off though. I bought a heirodule from ebay. Had to repair it and filed it down a bit, didnt even realise there was a dust issue when I did it.

Glad I didnt have to do much work and I only spent maybe 10-20 mins doing it and with my head well away (I dislike breathing in dust generally if can help it)

SIG IT!

As a side note, the DKOK models are some of the best made by forgeworld. If you can afford them, and you have a legitimate desire to see the project to the finish, that's great. Make sure you do their bases justice. Here, lemme find a good tutorial here on dakka....

EDIT: here it is, someone else's DKOK's basing scheme, of muddy battlefields with some of the best barbed wire I've ever seen.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/314348.page

Worth it? It depends. Nice sculpts, iffy casting quality that ranges from "wow" to " "

Me, I am an on and off Elysian player and collector, so I'm screwed so to say. Personally I try to avoid FW as much as possible and I'm really, really happy that the Valkyrie is a plastic kit these days, otherwise I'd be in resin hell now.

micahaphone wrote:SIG IT!

As a side note, the DKOK models are some of the best made by forgeworld. If you can afford them, and you have a legitimate desire to see the project to the finish, that's great. Make sure you do their bases justice. Here, lemme find a good tutorial here on dakka....

EDIT: here it is, someone else's DKOK's basing scheme, of muddy battlefields with some of the best barbed wire I've ever seen.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/314348.page

Thanks for the tutorial, but I was thinking more of a nuclear winter, since I read a bit of imperial armour 5. It just made me think of trench fighting on snow covered no mans land...

You should check out Regnaks DKOK in the p & m section, they are crazy cool.

Here is the link: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/290752.page

If you have the skills to deal with resin, they CAN be.
If you don't have those skills, you will probably be horribly disappointed.

They do have some cool stuff that CAN look quite good IF they were assembled and painted by people who know what they were doing.

Elitist or not, this does leave out the majority of gamers who lust after it.

The skills CAN be learned by anyone with patience, though.
It's not especially difficult, but you DO have to LEARN them yourself. I can show you no end of tutorials, but nothing beats REAL hands-on experience.

That said, until they improve their QC, I'll not be touching their stuff with a bargepole (Free replacements of a badly warped and broken kit don't matter if the replacement is JUST as badly cast.).

chromedog wrote:If you have the skills to deal with resin, they CAN be.
If you don't have those skills, you will probably be horribly disappointed.

They do have some cool stuff that CAN look quite good IF they were assembled and painted by people who know what they were doing.

Elitist or not, this does leave out the majority of gamers who lust after it.

The skills CAN be learned by anyone with patience, though.
It's not especially difficult, but you DO have to LEARN them yourself. I can show you no end of tutorials, but nothing beats REAL hands-on experience.

That said, until they improve their QC, I'll not be touching their stuff with a bargepole (Free replacements of a badly warped and broken kit don't matter if the replacement is JUST as badly cast.).

Could you please link some of those tutorials, because I have a few resin bits here and there with which I can practice... Thanks for the link Dantay_xv, and I must say I love you avatar, it makes me laugh every time I see it...

Lol, no worries. Regnak would maybe be able to give good advice on DKOK too.

As a side not, I love to look at FW kits, but so far only bought 1, A FW Space Wolves dread. It is a beautiful model, but I had to do a fair bit of work on the back to get the engine to fit properly, then GS around the lower parts of the exhaust.

It was a bit of work, but I considered it worth the time because of the potential that the model holds.... and while my painting isnt brilliant I think it is one of the best models I have.

For me FW is a luxury item and not something which is a "must have", it enhances my army.

For you, unless you can source second hand DKOK or make your own, then yes it is worth it to you to have the FW models, as you may not be able to get them anywhere else.
Remember this is your army and your vision and as your army it should reflect something about you in it. Thats what will make it worth it in the end, whether it is FW or not.

Yes the avatar pic makes me giggle too, its my son Ben wearing my wifes glasses.... he is a cutie but far too edstructive to get near my models.

if you happen to get FW items that are made in china they are of superb quality with zero to minimal flash and things that need to be fixed, its sad but its the truth.

Deathklaat wrote:if you happen to get FW items that are made in china they are of superb quality with zero to minimal flash and things that need to be fixed, its sad but its the truth.

I wouldn't call it sad, I'm finding it a good change.

dantay_xv wrote:
For you, unless you can source second hand DKOK or make your own, then yes it is worth it to you to have the FW models, as you may not be able to get them anywhere else.
Remember this is your army and your vision and as your army it should reflect something about you in it. Thats what will make it worth it in the end, whether it is FW or not.

QFT. Hehehhehe, its true, he is quite cute... Lets just hope he doesn't get near any of your models!
Anyways, are there any other people who also have had good models from FW made in China, like Deathklaat said?

I've had a few FW items that were cast in China, haven't had anything too special, they still had mould lines and some flash as usual.

No big defects like major warpage or air bubbles (which I have experienced with UK casted items). You really won't notice any difference except for the "Made in China" logo on the front of the bag.

Oh ok, so did they replace the minies with major defects? I've heard a bit that FW have pretty bad customer service....

Completely untrue, most times a quick call to forgeworld and they will replace the part or sometimes even the full kit. My punisher cannons for my vulture snapped on transit, and a quick call to forgeworld had them fully replaced.

The worst they'll do is ask for an email to prove that it's miscast or broken, but they're pretty decent in their customer service.

Ooooh, thanks for clearing that up Snarky.

tehbarry wrote:

micahaphone wrote:SIG IT!

As a side note, the DKOK models are some of the best made by forgeworld. If you can afford them, and you have a legitimate desire to see the project to the finish, that's great. Make sure you do their bases justice. Here, lemme find a good tutorial here on dakka....

EDIT: here it is, someone else's DKOK's basing scheme, of muddy battlefields with some of the best barbed wire I've ever seen.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/314348.page

Thanks for the tutorial, but I was thinking more of a nuclear winter, since I read a bit of imperial armour 5. It just made me think of trench fighting on snow covered no mans land...

Cool! I don't know the best brand for snow flock-stuff, but one little tip I picked up is to sprinkle a little baking powder into the mix, as it lends the "pure white" feel to it that strikes the eyes as "real snow with some sunlight". Or, if you want to have ice crystals in the snow, you can sprinkle just a tiny bit of table salt in.

Interesting, I will definitely try that out on a test mini at some point tommorow... Thanks for the advice Micaphone

Not to go too OT, but the snow flock from citadel isn't as bad as people say.

These minis were based using the good ol' flock/superglue method.

ITT: Haters Gonna Hate, Trolls Gonna Troll.

Forgeworld is fine. Learn to model.

Currently own 2 of the Greater Demons, 1 Plaguehulk, 50 Plague Marines, 50 World Eaters, 20 FW Chaos Terminators. Approximately a Dozen Rhinos with doors/armor. ! Chaos Landraider with doors. Necrosius, Zhufor and a bunch of terrain peices. Total kits needing replacement: 2 (one Rhino door set that was left out and 1 armor kit that was missing a piece.)

Forgeworld is fine to anyone that isn't taking a vested interest in being a goon fighting with goons on the internet.

FW stuff can be worth it.

Admittedly you can make your won stuff whch coudl look better. But this is provided you have the time/money/skill/perseverance to do so.

I love my FW models (Shadowsword, Iron Warrior Dread and Hell Talon fighter). But i also hated the Brass Scorpion enough to make my own which i think looks nicer (and costs a lot less)

I would not rely on FW for your everyday run-of-the-mill models. i personally woudl go to FW for centerpieces and outstanding unit only.

Bear in mind that som Tourneys nay not allow FW models so you coudl be spending your money for nowt.

I have purchased a handful of forgeworld stuff. The flashing is annoying, but I've been happy with the results for me.

Each item that I have bought has been worth it. However, the titans and super heavies aren't worth the price TO ME. But that's the subjective question that you have to ask yourself.

I tend to look for the titans/supers on ebay these days.

Mainly because I wouldnt have the patience to build/clean them and sometimes they are cheaper


I did just order some Mk 3 and Mk 5 armour from forgeworld, first thing Ive bought direct from them!

Alright this whole complaining about warped peices from FW has to stop... it is a simple fix!

boil some water..

put warped peices into boiling water...

remove after 10 seconds...

reshape...

like honestly, i have bought over 3000$ from forge world, and yes alot of it like tank barrels and wings have been warped, but big deal this is a hobby, if you cant make a simple fix your in the wrong hobby!

The only complaint i have ever had from forge world was they forgot to ship a DKOK vanquisher i bought, but they appoligised and sent me a masterclass book for free with it! Their customer service is amazing and without them 40k would be alot less intresting!

So suck it up Forge World haters or go cast your own titans!


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jae4x4 wrote:Alright this whole complaining about warped peices from FW has to stop... it is a simple fix!

boil some water..

put warped peices into boiling water...

remove after 10 seconds...

reshape...

like honestly, i have bought over 3000$ from forge world, and yes alot of it like tank barrels and wings have been warped, but big deal this is a hobby, if you cant make a simple fix your in the wrong hobby!

The only complaint i have ever had from forge world was they forgot to ship a DKOK vanquisher i bought, but they appoligised and sent me a masterclass book for free with it! Their customer service is amazing and without them 40k would be alot less intresting!

So suck it up Forge World haters or go cast your own titans!


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Wow your lucky, congrats on getting a free imperial armour masterclass! Oh yeah, and what mini is that? The camouflage is very well paitned.

forge world models are definately worth the money if you are not woried about taking a long time washing, cleaning and asembeling a lot of quite fragile components. (in other words only for verry experienced modelers). However the models are very nice and the rules are generaly good in the game.

tehbarry wrote:

jae4x4 wrote:Alright this whole complaining about warped peices from FW has to stop... it is a simple fix!

boil some water..

put warped peices into boiling water...

remove after 10 seconds...

reshape...

like honestly, i have bought over 3000$ from forge world, and yes alot of it like tank barrels and wings have been warped, but big deal this is a hobby, if you cant make a simple fix your in the wrong hobby!

The only complaint i have ever had from forge world was they forgot to ship a DKOK vanquisher i bought, but they appoligised and sent me a masterclass book for free with it! Their customer service is amazing and without them 40k would be alot less intresting!

So suck it up Forge World haters or go cast your own titans!


(Work In Progress)

Wow your lucky, congrats on getting a free imperial armour masterclass! Oh yeah, and what mini is that? The camouflage is very well paitned.

It is a Marauder Bomber.

huntho21 wrote:forge world models are definately worth the money if you are not woried about taking a long time washing, cleaning and asembeling a lot of quite fragile components. (in other words only for verry experienced modelers). However the models are very nice and the rules are generaly good in the game.

Most of the people I have known who complained about the extra effort needed with FW stuff are the same ones who don't bother to clip spruce spots, clean mold lines and/or don't bother to paint their stuff. People with gray, unkempt armies complaining about my cleaned and (table top quality) painted army. "Why do you bother?" was one persons comment (a badly assembled unpainted SM/SW/BA/flavor of the month player)
I love how people often think FW ruler are under/over powered. I agree that they are generally good. Yes, some are unbalanced, but then so are some GW rules. It's one reason I love my Elysians (and I love the models and fluff)

Snarky wrote:

tehbarry wrote:Wow, a lot of good views being shared here... Interesting... Anyways, some of you asked what I was looking at specifically over at FW, and that would be Death Korps of Krieg. Also, what is so dangerous about resin dust? Isn't it the same as normal dust?

Resin dust is a carcinogen. If you breath it in, it increases the chances you'll get lung cancer.

This is actually sort of a misnomer. Resin dust is only carcinogenic if it's fine enough to enter the lung capilliaries, and the only way of getting it that fine is to machine the parts (like with a belt sander). ANY dust has this property - dirt, chalk, custard powder, walking through a city breathing in exhaust. If you're concerned, wear a dust mask, but otherwise you will be fine.

I've bought many of the smaller forgeworld pieces like shoulder pads, rhino/lr door etc and a couple of the big ones (warhound titan, thunderhawk gunship). The Thunderhawk was alot more trouble in terms of casting and molding or whatever than any of the others but now that it's together I love it. I don't think there's any question that to me from a model/painting standpoint they are well worth it. Also from a collection standpoint they are great centerpieces which is mostly what prompted my purchases. I remember seeing the all metal thunderhawk in a magazine when I was first into the hobby and I remember wanting it very badly but at that age I didn't have any hope of putting together the cash to spend on that kind of indulgence.

From a gaming side however it is rare at least for me to play apocalypse enough to justify the purchases on those grounds alone. at 900 and 750 points for the gunship and warhound you need a pretty big game to include them. Coupled with the fact I work most weekends means I don't get a ton of chances to field them. I don't care so much though. It's a treat to use them when I can and I consider them worth the investment.

In regard to OP's question it's going to be a personal choice based on how much disposable income you have to invest in the product against how badly you really want one. If the value to you is more than the cost go for it. From a gaming side how big an army do you have? How often do you play apocalypse?

The_Stormrider wrote:From a gaming side how big an army do you have? How often do you play apocalypse?

Actually, I'm planning on starting a DKoK siege regiment army. I've never played apocalypse before though.

I love DKoK. I think those are some of the best models forgeworld has ever done. I would gladly let someone use them or their rules in any game just to see the models on the table. It will be alot of work with all that resin but I think very rewarding if you're into the modeling and painting. Not to tell you how to spend your money but I think you'll enjoy it, and in my limited experience with FW infantry (hector rex and retinue) it shouldn't be too terrible a workload to prep the models for painting. Good luck with it if you decide to take the plunge.

Thanks stormrider! Actually, it will still be a bit before I order it, as I dont have that much money right now... Why must it be so hard to get money when your a minor?! WHY!!!!!
Did you find that the models broke easily, because quite a lot of people have been saying that FW minis are quite fragile?

Just speaking for myself, I can't justify the expense, even if the FW pieces do look amazing.

YMMV, though.

J

In my opinion its worth the price that you pay for them. Im collected DKoK, becouse i wanted something other then cadians, i had looked at the older metal ranges, but, why spend 45 on a metal box that looks so so, when i can get one for 55 that looks killer?

I dropped one of my FW dreadnaughts once and it landed on the gaming table without breaking and I considered myself very lucky. Resin can be fragile and I would definitely follow some model care guidelines. I'm by no means an expert so anyone please feel free to correct me or add to my ideas:

Do not let just anyone touch the models when they are on the table (without your permission and more importantly your trust). If they drop them from gaming table height to the ground they will almost certainly break. Possibly into more than a couple pieces.

Get a proper case. GW cases have been good for me but I'm sure battlefoam or another suitable substitute would be ok. Don't dump them into a tackle box or shoe box. Don't overload them or bunch them up in the case and pack them gently. Watch for pieces sticking up or out of the squares and don't put too much weight on them. Don't store the Imperial Armor book in the storage case with them.

Be careful not to apply too much force when gluing a limb or weapon to the main body as it may snap. Pinning would be ideal.

Learn to hate people who lean over the game table or try to scoot past you and bump the table. Hate them like heretics who must be burned and purged. Hate people who throw dice like untrained animals. Guard your DKoK like they are your children.. you know.. if you love your children.

Yes, resin is more fragile than plastic. But there is a up side to this. Plastic bends, resin snaps. This is a good thing as it will usually be a clean break. A little super glue and paint, and it goes right back together.

They need to make a pinned thread for FW and other resin pieces care and handling

Well my forgeworld bits arrived today

all seemed pretty good to me. I ordered mk3 and mk 5 armour

only real problem was alot of solid resin within the chestpiece (where it joins the legs) but a modelling knife/clippers solved that.

I didnt file them at all due to all the paranoia about dust! but tbh I didnt actually need to!

so not bad so far as a first experience!

Yeah, I found the bit inside the torsos a bit fiddly to remove too

Forge World is ok for anything but the Titans.

Stay away from the Titans.

Goddard wrote:Forge World is ok for anything but the Titans.

Stay away from the Titans.

this might sound stupid, but why?


(apart from the obvious reasons like they're hard as hell to assemble and they're super duper expensive.)

Not even their titans are safe from bad casting, missing parts or slow part replacement.

Salted Diamond wrote:Yes, resin is more fragile than plastic. But there is a up side to this. Plastic bends, resin snaps. This is a good thing as it will usually be a clean break. A little super glue and paint, and it goes right back together.

IMO this is what makes FW unacceptable for game play pieces. For the modeler, (painting competition entrant, display guy, painter etc) they are great subjects, but if a player is looking to handle them and or transport hem, they are just to fragile. Especially the infantry models, many of which wont even survive the pressure of despruing with a razor knife. I had this issue recently with the space marine Sargent conversion pack, the sword for which is just so teeny as to be unworkable, even for modeling.

Building a display? GOLDEN
Building a play army? TROUBLE

BrookM wrote:Not even their titans are safe from bad casting, missing parts or slow part replacement.

personally i love the titans, they are great models to build, id gladly build another now if i had one.

as for resin the only thing i really hate is when it warps, i have 2 fw hydras and the barrels where warped like mad. as said before resins snaps and glues together beautifully. its an easy material to pin, glue and magnetize and for limited run pieces or large pieces with limited sales its a far more commercially viable material

and as for the thread topic i think FW is worth it, the pieces that are comparable to GW plastic kits are only a few pounds more generally, no more than the extra sprue or 2 would cost, and for making ur army that little bit more unique/special it worth the money for the odd bit

fox40 wrote:

BrookM wrote:Not even their titans are safe from bad casting, missing parts or slow part replacement.

personally i love the titans, they are great models to build, id gladly build another now if i had one.

as for resin the only thing i really hate is when it warps, i have 2 fw hydras and the barrels where warped like mad. as said before resins snaps and glues together beautifully. its an easy material to pin, glue and magnetize and for limited run pieces or large pieces with limited sales its a far more commercially viable material

and as for the thread topic i think FW is worth it, the pieces that are comparable to GW plastic kits are only a few pounds more generally, no more than the extra sprue or 2 would cost, and for making ur army that little bit more unique/special it worth the money for the odd bit

Exactly how easy did you find it to be when you were pinning the models? Is it better than using super glue, or should super glue and pinning be used together? Is it a good idea to use on smaller models?

personally i only pin if its a part i dont want to glue i.e i can take it apart (my titan bodies are pinned so i can pull apart for painting. the rest of the titans are glued or magnetized) i also use pins for weak parts to add strength as well as glueing.
if you use magnets be sure to sink them in as it holds so much better than surface mounted.

how do you go about sinking the magnets in?

Drilling/filing?

Oh god, don't ever magnetize titans or other huge resin models that need balance.

I know this one guy who magnetized his warhound arms and torso to transport it easier. However, one time while he was assembling it, the torso fell off and split in two. Pinning is far the safer option, especially with huge resin models.

Also the best option for magnetizing IMO is drilling to the size of the magnet, if you try to file it, well it gets messy.

"nods" i will go with that if I decide to magnetize anything!

currently its glueing in place all the way lol

Goddard wrote:Forge World is ok for anything but the Titans.

Stay away from the Titans.

Actually I think Fragile Resin is probably more dangerous for breaking thinner bits (about 2-3 mm) on smaller play pieces and ok for larger thick pieces on titans, but I have seen it with some deformities that are tough to correct in large models too, especially the Thunderhawk kit, where the thick wings and flaps, and the U channel of the main hull don't fit quite right and there's not much that can be done except to sand out a chunk and clamp it down.

Also, sorry for the OT but your Avatar Goddard, well it totally looks like Vanilla Ice in Blood Angels Armor, sorry, no offense but it made me LOL, see?



Werd to your mother!
Checkout the hook while Blood Angels Revolve it...

I think the hair is to strange for a space marine, but the rest works, that's from Dawn of War 2 right?

htj wrote:Don't forget warped long bits! The little FW stuff I've bought that's been the major annoyance for me, standing in the sink, carefully bending resin under the hot tap.

I'd say that FW is probably too expensive for what you get, but does it ever look nice. An utter decadence, but a satisfying one.

I could not have said that better. Exactly what I though and was about to post.

doubleT wrote:

htj wrote:Don't forget warped long bits! The little FW stuff I've bought that's been the major annoyance for me, standing in the sink, carefully bending resin under the hot tap.

I'd say that FW is probably too expensive for what you get, but does it ever look nice. An utter decadence, but a satisfying one.

I could not have said that better. Exactly what I though and was about to post.

So heres a question, i just got my dozer blades today and one looks perfect. The other is a little warped so how long does it take for the resin to warm up enough under hot water for it to be set straight and once i do that will it warp again?

^
Depends how hot the tap is, i'd give it a minute to heat up initially, test how flexible the resin has become (gently)
its hard to explain but you can feel the resin bend smoothly with very little resistance, if its still rigid, give it another 30 seconds etc etc
When you have reworked the dozer blade straight, just hold it for 30 seconds or so, and it should stay in its new form
Word or warning though, dont shove it under a cold tap to try to cool it quicker, it can cause the peice to crack if your unlucky.


Back OT, from a gaming perspective, I dont think FW stuff is as user friendly or worth the money you pay for the fragility that comes with it.
But form a modelling perspective i think they are, if I were to sum up the amount ive spent on FW models i'd cry, but the amount of enjoyment from building my dioramas out of their models more than justify the price

Dan

misfit wrote:

doubleT wrote:

htj wrote:Don't forget warped long bits! The little FW stuff I've bought that's been the major annoyance for me, standing in the sink, carefully bending resin under the hot tap.

I'd say that FW is probably too expensive for what you get, but does it ever look nice. An utter decadence, but a satisfying one.

I could not have said that better. Exactly what I though and was about to post.

So heres a question, i just got my dozer blades today and one looks perfect. The other is a little warped so how long does it take for the resin to warm up enough under hot water for it to be set straight and once i do that will it warp again?

Use warm, not boiling, water and just keep feeling the resin to see how soft it is becoming, but it could be a matter of seconds for the smaller parts like little guns. If the resin becomes too soft you're in danger of deforming the piece in a manner which won't be easy to correct. But as long as you take your time it'll be fine, this is why I say not to use boiling water.

I've never known resin to crack after being dipped into cold water but I've never handled really large pieces of resin, maybe it's a risk with them. If you use warm and cool water, rather than hot and cold there shouldn't be a problem.

if you are going to put FW stuff together i suggest using epoxy and not superglue, i would rather have the super strong bond especally for large models and titans.

Don't go from hot to ice-cold.
Thermal shock is what kills it (too great a difference in temperatures).

Cool/tepid tap water should be fine from warm (NOT boiling) water, though. If it's cold enough to raise goose bumps, it's TOO cold.

I think it is... Mind you, I'm more into painting, competition painting, and general use for D&D as opposed to warhammer.

So for me, I only care about cool looking models. I've even started selling some old ral partha models, etc to replace with better looking reaper, GW equivalents, or other company resins (ie. sold an old griffon, and chimera as got the maelstrom chimaera and a CMON griffon which look miles better).

Regards,

Sanjay

misfit wrote:

doubleT wrote:

htj wrote:Don't forget warped long bits! The little FW stuff I've bought that's been the major annoyance for me, standing in the sink, carefully bending resin under the hot tap.

I'd say that FW is probably too expensive for what you get, but does it ever look nice. An utter decadence, but a satisfying one.

I could not have said that better. Exactly what I though and was about to post.

So heres a question, i just got my dozer blades today and one looks perfect. The other is a little warped so how long does it take for the resin to warm up enough under hot water for it to be set straight and once i do that will it warp again?

Don't bother, send it back as defective, it will never be right. That doesn't work, the hot water thing is a myth, once resin has cured it is in the shape it is in, it's an exothermic chemical cure, heating it up after it cures to make it bendy doesn't work because it's resin, all it will do is cure it more in the messed up shape, then when you try to bend it it will snap.

It might be a little churlish to bring this up but for a supposed 'premium' product with premium prices, I sense very little annoyance here that people have to bend warped resin to fix it. Surely for the price paid, the end consumer should not have to faff about with kettles and taps to fix FW's quality control? It surprises me that so many are willing to put up with it. I mean, I wouldn't pay £100k for a sports car and then be expected to bore the pistons or something...

Forge rip off is not worth it because for the price you pay their quality control is horrible and there not much reason to buy their stuff unless you play Apocalypse.

There are enough 3rd party stuff like maxmini, and bitspudo making stuff for 40k stuff there is no GW model for that you can get by without buying forge rip off. These companies often have better sculpts and better quality control then forge rip off as well for less money.

Augustus..

it does work. I put a punisher cannon into VERY hot water and it was quite 'soft' after. I was moving it quite a bit before i decided what angle to set it at (the guns were bit crooked)

Sanjay

i find it totally worth it and worth the time to put them together.

filbert wrote:It might be a little churlish to bring this up but for a supposed 'premium' product with premium prices, I sense very little annoyance here that people have to bend warped resin to fix it. Surely for the price paid, the end consumer should not have to faff about with kettles and taps to fix FW's quality control? It surprises me that so many are willing to put up with it. I mean, I wouldn't pay £100k for a sports car and then be expected to bore the pistons or something...

In their defense, I think the resin problems tend to cluster around the big pieces. They should still be better, but I'd give them a small pass as the large shapes may have a warping problem. It'd be even less of an issue if their customer support was better.

In all honesty, I don't find warped resin(whether it be from Forge World or anywhere else) an issue.

I have to clean the models anyways. If I use warm water to clean it, I can fix the issue then.

The Chaos dreads are worth it, cheaper than GW ones and look a million times better to boot.

Augustus wrote:
Don't bother, send it back as defective, it will never be right. That doesn't work, the hot water thing is a myth, once resin has cured it is in the shape it is in, it's an exothermic chemical cure, heating it up after it cures to make it bendy doesn't work because it's resin, all it will do is cure it more in the messed up shape, then when you try to bend it it will snap.

Agreed that if its bad send it back.

Well i'd vouch for the opposite, how did you try this method as my :-

Heirophant
Phantom
Winged hive tyrant (wings have been totally reshaped) see my P&M Blog

were all corrected and reformed from warped/bent peices using the hot water method......... and they are now happy models with unwarped/ reshaped to what i want peices of resin.........



Dan

Just this morning I had to straighten part of the carriage of a DKOK lascannon - hot water did the trick for that.

I had a similar problem with my wraithseer...tbh I still do :S

I managed to get all the bits sorted, perfectly trimmed and fitting then assembled it!

now however I think due to the heat the bottom of his long spear has distorted slightly (after all the time I spent getting it straight!)

whats worse is I tried to fix it and the bottom bit snapped..although thankfully it was clean so I just glued it back in...now Im paranoid to try again especially as its fully assembled... wonder how much people will notice a slightly bendy spear bottom lol

Did it snap when it was heated? Because I don't think I've ever seen that happen.


You should be fine to fix it, just reheat it. The trick is to do it gradually.

Heat it up, bend it to the desired position. Let it set, see what happens.
If it needs to, continue bending after heating it back up. Rinse and repeat until it's perfectly straight.

because the model is fully assembled I had a bit of trouble heating the desired bit.
What I think happened is I didnt heat it adequately before massaging it which caused it to snap as it wasnt flexible enough >.<

just annoying how it distorted after I had built it in the first place!, will be leaving them off the dining room table in future! (out of the sun)

Do you reckon its still worth trying as its a bit fiddling..although I may have a go at removing the entire arm so I can get a better line on it without damaging the rest of the model.

Is it attached to the base?

If it's not, I can't see how hard it would be to get a small jar filled with water and just dip the spear end in that way.

it is :(

if you take a peek @ the model on forgeworld I have assembled it almost exactly the same. So that the spear runs down and glues to the base to give it extra hold.

The only way I can see it working (having just looking at mine again) is removing the whole arm/spear along with gently cutting the spear from the base

so then I can just heat it without anything else in the way.

Wait, you attached the spear to the base?

Ugh.

I think you're kinda gonna have a problem.

Have you considered perhaps sculpting kind of a flame effect surrounding the bottom speartip? Or heck, maybe have it being embedded in between two halves of a body.

I've got a Hector Rex I'm working on right now where there's an issue with the sword tip(namely: part of it is chipped off and it doesn't present properly), so to cover it up...bam, flaming sword!

tehbarry wrote:Hi everyone, and sorry if this is in the wrong place since I wasn't sure where to post it. I was looking at some forgeworld tanks such as Imperial Macharius Vulcan Heavy tank and the death korps of krieg etc. I just wanted to know, are forgeworld minis worth the money, both in the game aspect and modeling aspect? I have heard people saying there are a lot of flash lines and something about resin dust... So yeah I couldn't really decide, and so I have turned to all you Dakkaites.

Generally, you would be recommended to buy what you perceve as "Worth". Such as with the chaos bits, or the ship/ tank bits, but seeing as there are OTHER companies out there that are doing the same bits for much much less....

You have to make a personal choice in that matter. In your case, I would do more homework, decide on what exactly my goal was, and then work tword that goal, using buying Forgeworld as a part of it.

Don't buy form them just to spend money, do it in terms of fulfilling a particular goal, ( I/E I want a army of orks, and there are a couple of tanks I want to augment the army. I have a Mech platoon, and I need a command vehicle. I need a super heavy heavy weapon, and FW has it.)

They like to think they are top drawer stuff, but in terms of the whole, FW is crap. Crap price, quality, and general attitude when dealing with them.

I picked up something simple like a couple of scenery pieces and ended up regretting it with the fill, the resculpt with hot water, and the general flash issue with what I bought.
And that was just a little fortification part, not something serious.

Generally, I avoid FW, and look hard at third fourth or even build what I want on my own.

so, bottom line, it is a personal decision on what you particularly want to buy.

Don't just think your going to order it, its going to come, and then your getting what you pay for, because there is a lot of hidden effort and cost that is going to be involved in the decision then just picking up the model of your choice.

yah I know Kanluwen proper pain lol >.<

but thanks for the advice anyhow!

I just took another look and yah what you suggest might be best. I have some spare Eldar bits I can use to partially hide the offending segment! lol

On my wraithseer i found the resin they used for it to be quite different compared to the standard stuff. It seemed very flexible and 'soft'? compared to the other resin they use.
I dont know wether its partly due to the resin being a very early batch and mixing slightly with the mould release but with the sprear i felt i was almost snapping the peice when i straightened it out D:
I'd vouch for FW being pretty pants in every department apart from the actual sculpts which I love too much not to buy.

edited for rubbish spelling

Dan

yeah man it definately felt very fragile >.<

Im prob going to have a go at removing the whole arm and attempting to straighten it later today, I'll let you know how I get on

If I cant It's going to stay bent as I dont want to damage it >.< lol

Well!

operation partial success.
I decided against removing the arm for fear of causing further damage. I did loosen the spear from the base however so I could move it further from the body.

Then I run a tiny trickle of uber hot water from the tap and carefully held the offending bent bit underneath it while keenly trying to avoid wetting the rest of the model/burning myself!.

I managed to straighten it now so it at least looks acceptable, can just cover up the tiny bend @ the very bottom so yay lol.

I've mostly been looking at some of the replacement parts for Rhinos and Land Raiders to spice up my Grey Knights' vehicles. Has anyone had issues with those sorts of things? It seems like they would be less prone to these issues, since they're mostly just decorative pieces...

Aldheim wrote:I've mostly been looking at some of the replacement parts for Rhinos and Land Raiders to spice up my Grey Knights' vehicles. Has anyone had issues with those sorts of things? It seems like they would be less prone to these issues, since they're mostly just decorative pieces...

They seem like they'll fit right in for the Rhino or Land Raider. You may need to trim the front door a bit on the LR though.

As a word of warning: you will have to do a lot of trimming on the doors for the rear of the sponson on a Land Raider Mk II kit. It looks like they'll plug right in, but they won't.