What it says on the tin - What kits are most in need of re-doing?

With 6th edition in sight Marines will get some new toys so we might get an update to the 4th edition Razorback now with all the options.

Looking at the awesome GK Termis the current termis just look like rubbish, I can see them being redone, hopefully with all the assault options included.

In fantasy I've been hoping the line of stiff Chaos warriors will get redone. They look good, don't get me wrong, but kind of boring in a unit and they're missing their great weapon options.

Who else?

What else?

I disagree that the current Terminators need to be redone.

I think that they really just need more accessorizing.
That's what really separates the GK/Space Wolf/Chaos Terminators from the Loyalist 'blah' Terminators.

I'd love to see some robed and hooded Terminators with claymores in lieu of Thunder Hammers for Dark Angels, but that's wishing.

For kits that really really need redoing?
Try almost the entire Elf ranges for WHFB.

the land speeders. have you ever put one of those together. such a pain in the @$$.

i would like to see a kit for commissar/lord commissar. much like the space marine captain. doesnt seem that much to ask for.

a hydra kit. no buying two seperate kits to make one vehicle.

On a less imperial note

Necrons:

Heavy Destroyers
Tomb Spyders
Flayed Ones
Pariahs
Immortals

Orks

Meganobz
A couple of the specials have no official model (Wazdakka and Zogwort i think)
Buggies
Wartrakks and Wartrakks Skorchas

Dark Eldar (i'm sure these will be along soon )

Haemonculi (the old ones look awful)
Grotesques (now called Wracks, with grotesques now being the big ones )

Eldar

Wraithguard already !!
Possibly the bikes. They look ok, but a little dated.

I'm sure there are plenty more, but those are the ones that occur to me

For this thread I'm not really thinking about units that need plastic kits, but ones that have old kits in need of re-doing.

The marine bikes for example date to 2nd edition, so do the Space Elfen bikes.

The Chaos Marines are just Imperial marines with green stuff spikes (they actually showed that in WD!). Mixing them with the Possessed helps make them look more chaosy but they could use a good resculpt.

Jain Zar, IMO worst-looking model in the game.
Definitely Eldar jetbikes, the pilots look pretty silly.
The Avatar, he really should be bigger.

And seeing as how GW is supposedly not making metal models anymore, pretty much everything that was metal, haha.

Just about any and all Bike units need redoing. As has been posted pretty much all the WHFB High Elf range also needs redoing. The Chaos Space Marine Dreadnought! Chaos Havocs. Chaos Raptors. Khorne Berzererkers. Noise Marines don't need a resculpt so much as they actually need more than a *single* sonic weapon in their box. Warp Spiders need an update. Wraithguard, while not bad, are also quite old. Warlocks definitely need an update, as do the Phoenix Lords. Ork Buggies/Trakks *very* much need an update. Tyranids could use a new Biovore. Almost all the Sisters mini's could use updated being from 2E. And we should probably never have to lay eyes on the Rough Rider models ever again.

martin74 wrote:the land speeders. have you ever put one of those together. such a pain in the @$$.

The land speeders got redone when the Space Marine codex came out in 2008. The new kit is apparently very nice, but not that many people field speeders in my groups.

Space Marine bikers need redoing, that's for sure. Eldar Guardian jetbikes do as well. The Vyper could stand to be redone, even if it still looks good for its age. Eldar need a lot of plastic though.

Ascalam wrote:On a less imperial note

Necrons:

Heavy Destroyers
Tomb Spyders
Flayed Ones
Pariahs
Immortals

Orks

Meganobz
A couple of the specials have no official model (Wazdakka and Zogwort i think)
Buggies
Wartrakks and Wartrakks Skorchas

Dark Eldar (i'm sure these will be along soon )

Haemonculi (the old ones look awful)
Grotesques (now called Wracks, with grotesques now being the big ones )

Eldar

Wraithguard already !!
Possibly the bikes. They look ok, but a little dated.

I'm sure there are plenty more, but those are the ones that occur to me

sO... all the model ranges that are due for a new codex... I wonder why GW just doesnt re-release them now?

TBH... if someone could teach me how to re-ceast Wraithguard into resin, I would melt my metal ones. Not only would they balance on a standard base, they would also be easier to pose for conversions.

Rumor has it that the 'Crons are up for a re-do, so we may see some of the list in plastic or at least redone.

The dark eldar Wracks and Haemonculi are pretty much a given, just waiting for them to let it out

The rest would be nice, but it will likely be a while for some of them at least.

Maybe chaos bikes would look like choppers?

What needs redoing?
The Catachan range. Specifically, the Command set. 3 of the 5 bodies are one piece. THAT IS BAD! DO NOT DO THAT! The whole range is kinda bad as well.

Abbadon (too small for a model with such kickass stats.)

noise marines (too little weaponry.)

Grotsnik and painboy (both dont fit with the newer ork sculpts.)

Obliterators (they look silly, not scary.)
Chaos dreadnought (its ugly, and its metal.)

thats pretty much all I care about, although some eldar, and catachan models could be nicer too.

Im thinking Obliterators
Horrible, ugly models and yet they are almost necessary to include in a CSM force

Happygrunt wrote:What needs redoing?
The Catachan range. Specifically, the Command set. 3 of the 5 bodies are one piece. THAT IS BAD! DO NOT DO THAT! The whole range is kinda bad as well.

But that's a brand new kit. i wouldn't hope too highly for it.

I'm not familiar with every kit that GW make.

From my experience all the SM kits ought to be improved with more options and stuff..

Also the Tau Devilfish, Crisis Suit and Fire Warriors are all quite shonky. They were designed in 2002, so if the moulds are getting worn the release of the new codex is a good opportunity to remake all of the, and include a lot of extra parts (Broadside guns, drone equipment) on the sprues.

Asuron wrote:Im thinking Obliterators
Horrible, ugly models and yet they are almost necessary to include in a CSM force

Blitza da warboy wrote:
Obliterators (they look silly, not scary.

If you think the new Oblits look bad, you should have seen their previous, blocky incarnations.

AvatarForm wrote:

Asuron wrote:Im thinking Obliterators
Horrible, ugly models and yet they are almost necessary to include in a CSM force

Blitza da warboy wrote:
Obliterators (they look silly, not scary.

If you think the new Oblits look bad, you should have seen their previous, blocky incarnations.

Yeah those were the worst production model i saw come from GW. Considering they are suppose to be sort of corrupt Tech priests (imperial SM ones are way cool.)

Eldar bikes and wraithguard and special characters need redone badly

How they should structure the models is have basic model boxes and kit boosters for each faction, would save a ton of money for everyone. So basic marines - Spacewolf ups/Dark Angels ups/etc I mean look at the chaos vehicles..
seriously think they really need another massive box on a shelf for them small additional pieces.

I absolutely agree on the Chaos Warriors and Eldar Jetbikes. I like the WHFB elf stuff though, I don't think it needs a re-do.

I'd like to see a new Cadian kit come out, with more options for building non-Cadian looking armies in it.

Fantasy wise, think that would have to go to the Empire Knights and Milita. Pretty sure that they are the last of the fantasy that needs done as they haven't had a remodel in close to 6 odd years.

+1 on the eldar jetbikes.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:Kits most in need of re-doing?

Does this include metal models? If so, Wraithguard. If you just mean existing plastic kits, I think the Eldar need new Jetbikes long before Marines need new tanks.

htj wrote:I'd like to see a new Cadian kit come out, with more options for building non-Cadian looking armies in it.

Wait... Why a new Cadian kit so you can make non-Cadians? That makes no sense. You're basically just asking for a completely new range of ambiguous IG. Like making red White Scars...



King Ghidorah

MandalorynOranj wrote:Jain Zar, IMO worst-looking model in the game.

I will take your Jain Zar, and raise you this:

Out of my head:

Fantasy:
HE spearmen, bowmen and silver helmets.
DE Warriors
Skaven Nightrunners
Tomb King standards could use an update as well, but not that urgently.

40k
Eldar jetbikes (Wraithguard is not a redo of a kit, but a new plastic kit)
maybe SM bikes.
Landspeeder was recut recently for better assembly.

Warbuggies/war trakks FTW

Pacific wrote:

MandalorynOranj wrote:Jain Zar, IMO worst-looking model in the game.

I will take your Jain Zar, and raise you this:

Is that supposed to be a bad figure? I think it looks pretty awesome. It's exactly the way the IoM religious extremists should look.

Except she's supposed to be a translator of some sort

Kanluwen wrote:Except she's supposed to be a translator of some sort

Although still an Adepta Sororitas. Being a religious fanatic is required for entry.

Anyway, I love that mini.

She might be an Adepta Sororitas, but it's not like the Dialogus flagellate themselves

Well, not officially, certainly.

Aside from the glasses, I think that's a pretty cool model.

Well, each to their own!



I look at this picture and I think 2 things:
- Wilma from Scooby Doo
- Sex doll

Really I would rate this mini lower than the ogre cheerleader, at least that was obvious in it's crude and in-your-face vulgarity, this mini is far more sinister. If it's on the tabletop, you start to get an uncomfortable feeling between your shoulder blades and a dull headache behind the eyes, but you don't know why. ^^

Velma. Wilma's Fred Flinstone's wife.

Kilkrazy, we've already had that picture of a Sister Dialogus posted so I don't know why you--

Oh, dang it!

Chaos dreadnought. What the hell is up with that left hand? It looks like it's waiting for its nails to dry.

Abaddon, Abaddon, Abaddon. The worst model for one of the best characters.

Basic sisters definately need a bit of re-doing >.<


also chaos terminators and tau fire warriors (mainly they just need a bit more customisation options!)

I would say that standard CSMs and their differing cult marine models need to be redone. The proportions of their helmets, compared to loyalists really drove me away from playing CSM when I first picked up the game.

Since this thread isn't in the 40k section I'll go for.

Warmachine
Cryx: Bloodgorgers in plastic
Cryx: Black Ogrun in plastic
Mercs: Steelhead Cavalry in plastic

Hordes
Circle: Skinwalkers in plastic

15mm WWII
German: SdKfz 250d and 251d in plastic
US: M10s in plastic

Happygrunt wrote:What needs redoing?
The Catachan range.

Are we in 2005?

Happygrunt wrote:Specifically, the Command set.

Are you insane?

martin74 wrote:the land speeders. have you ever put one of those together. such a pain in the @$$.

Again, are we sure this is 2011? Because it sounds like you are complaining about the OLD land speeder kit.

Blitza da warboy wrote:Obliterators (they look silly, not scary.)

I hate to sound like a broken record, but wtf? Are we still in 3.0e? Complaining about obliterators?

Kid_Kyoto wrote:What it says on the tin - What kits are most in need of re-doing?

With 6th edition in sight Marines will get some new toys so we might get an update to the 4th edition Razorback now with all the options.

Looking at the awesome GK Termis the current termis just look like rubbish, I can see them being redone, hopefully with all the assault options included.

In fantasy I've been hoping the line of stiff Chaos warriors will get redone. They look good, don't get me wrong, but kind of boring in a unit and they're missing their great weapon options.

Who else?

What else?

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Woah woah woah, wait a second there! 6th edition is coming? O.O I didn't know that, so thanks for the news!

On the question, I think the whole high elf, dark elf, and wood elf ranges need a bit of redoing or such things.

I think we can all agree it's high time for loyalists to get a new plastic Dreadnought.

Dread Knight ....... why? to make it look less like an action figure -_-

Imperial Guard could use some new priest models. And Rough Riders

Void_walker wrote:Fantasy wise, think that would have to go to the Empire Knights and Milita. Pretty sure that they are the last of the fantasy that needs done as they haven't had a remodel in close to 6 odd years.

Have you seen what they did to the State Troops? The Militia are just about perfect. The new Empire infantry are abhuman freaks.

My first choice is, of course, Sisters of Battle. Our basic troops choice is reliant on metal models created during 2nd edition, and costs ~50 pounds for 10. Reduce that by 70% with a new box of multipart plastics, and I'll be able to start collecting again.

The concept behind Crisis suits is nice, but they have no positioning options besides standing, or squatting in the air on a flying base. I like the bulky, "realistic" battlesuit, but the legs at least (and the ankles of doom) need to be redone.

The ankles of doom were redone with the current Codex.

I quite like the 'translator' or whatever she is, I like all that range of figures, it's nice to have a few imperial figures that aren't wielding huge guns for a change.

Here's mine I did some years ago...


Abbadon really needs doing, why are they still selling this old piece? He's supposed to be one of the most prominent chaos characters. I had mine half price in the great lead sale which shows just how old this figure is. He was well cool then but now he's just undersized and rather static looking, a result of the casting technology of the time.

ph34r wrote:

Happygrunt wrote:What needs redoing?
The Catachan range.

Are we in 2005?

Happygrunt wrote:Specifically, the Command set.

Are you insane?

What? I dont like the kit. I like the options, but the one piece body, instead of the 2 piece torso and leg sets, are a terrible idea that cut down on the kit bash appeal. Plus, they all have smashed faces.

Space Marines + Dark Angels:
Power Armour Calgar, Terminator Captain, Imperial Fists Chaplain, Non-Servo Harness Techmarines, Metal Apothecaries, Metal Standard Bearer, Dark Angel Deathwing Terminator, Metal Scouts, Metal Sergeants, Metal Assault Sergeants, Azrael, Ezekiel, Asmondai, Dark Angels Company Master, Deathwing Terminator Sergeant, Dark Angel Sergeant (non-Robed), Standard Bearer - All suffer 2nd Edition Small Metal Marine Syndrome (SESMMS), and frequently Static Model Syndrome (SMS).
Dark Angel Sergeant (Robed), Dark Angel Tactical Sergeant - How static can we make these models? And why do they both point their guns upwards? Oh yeah, so they can be one-piece models.
Scouts - Need better heads. They all look the same.
Metal Devastators - Huge metal guns on lightweight plastic bodies. Fall forwards all the time. Recut the Plastic Devastator sprue so you actually get 4 of everything and do away with these.
Razorback / Rhino - They're the same price. Why? Make a combined kit and add all the razorback variants.
Space Marine Land Speeder - The recut helped, but still a pig to assemble.
Space Marine Bike Squad, Space Marine Bike, Space Marine Attack Bike, Space Marine Chaplain on Bike, White Scars Bike Squad - Aesthetically fine aside from the space behind the seat and the inevitable seem going down the centre, but the sprue is old and lacks variety. Get rid of the metal bits, and make the squad a whole plastic set.
Land Raider - Add a multimelta pintle. Thats all.
Devastator Squad - Way to not include enough of the the useful weapons. I want 4 of every weapon, or failing that, 5 different boxes for each heavy weapon type. One Multi Melta? One missile launcher? Honestly...
Predator - Sponsons keep snapping. Just strip the Baal Predator model of blood drops and put the right weapons on it.
Thunderfire Cannon - Every tried to assemble one? Worst model to assemble in the range. Make plastic.
Sergeant Chronus - Just change that helmet. Yuk.

Blood Angels:
Mephiston, Tycho, Dante, Corbulo - SESMMS. SMS for everyone but Dante

Daemons:
Bloodthirster, Lord of Change - Their wings hate you and will never stay on, pinned or otherwise.
Skulltaker - Ugly as sin. And not in a good way.
Beasts of Nurgle, Fiend of Slaanesh - Aesthetically terrible, and hugely expensive. Not enough model variety to make a plausible unit.
Plaguebearers - Why are they not plastic yet?
Furies - Wing issues, and aesthetic issues.

Chaos Space Marines:
Chaos Space Marine Khorne Lord on Juggernaut, Abaddon, Cypher, Chaos Space Marine Emperor's Children Lord, all Chaos Metal Terminators, Metal Icon Bearers. - SESMMS, SMS. Kharn, Fabious and Ahriman manage to pull it off.
Chaos Space Marines Night Lords Hero - What on earth is that? Looks like an overexcited model designer went berserk.
Sorcerers - SMS
Chaos Space Marine Dreadnought - Why regular marines have about 6 different plastic dreads and this scourge still exists is beyond me. Good as a weapon when put in a sock.
Khorne Berzerkers - Silly running poses.
Chaos Space Marine Bikers - Like loyalist marines, but even less variety.
Doomrider - Actually, I take it back. He's so bad he's good.
Defiler - Ugly as sin. That head stuck on top doesnt help. Everyone i know just uses Soulgrinders.
Obliterators - Metal, Ugly. Bad combo.
Chaos Space Marine Havoks - Front-heavy, only one of each weapon. Useless.

Dark Eldar:
Drazhar - Redone to match new Incubi aesthetic.
Haemonculus - Just ugly and non-threatening. More like Urien please.
Mandrake - Three poses? Metal? Supposed to be used to make units of 10? Did we just travel back in time 10 years?
Khymeras, Razorwings - Too expensive to make units from. Make them plastic and with more poses.
Talos - But we know that's out in June anyway.

Eldar:
Autarch on Bike, Eldar Jetbike - 2nd edition, no detail at all, no variety, mismatched against modern models.
Avatar - Looks silly when you see what it could be like. (i.e. the Forgeworld version).
All the Phoenix Lords - Static, too small, not enough detail.
All aspect Warriors - Should really be plastic by now.
Wraithguard - Perhaps the most deserving on this list. Expensive, static, metal, limit poses, ugly.

Grey Knights:
Preachers - Old and ugly. Seriously, a spiked wooden club? Can be salvaged by weapon swapping with modern equivalents.
Metal Special Weapon GKs - Now mismatched against plastics, and probably unnecessary.

Imperial Guard:
Alrahem, Catachan Officers, Tallarn Officer, Stormtroopers, Catachan Assault Weapons - SMS
Ogryns - Ugly and not in a cool way, metal, expensive. It's a bad unit anyway, dont further handicap them with terrible models.
Rough Riders - Look Silly, Outdated weapons, generic plastic horses, don't fit in with the rest of the army. Bad all round, especially when compared to FW deathriders.
Basilisk - Combination plastic artillery kit please.

Necrons:
Immortals, Pariahs, Flayed Ones - There should never be metal models necessary for 10 men units.
Necron Warriors - Bow-legged. Boring.
Scarab Swarm - Doesn't fit with the modern scarab look.

Orks:
Meganobz - Plastic and variety please.
Metal Nobz, Stormboy Nob - No longer necessary
Ork Deffkopta - Just release the Black Reach ones.
Wartrakk, Warbuggy, Skorcha - Terrible when they were released for Gorkamorka. Now it's just embarrassing.
Big Gunz - the lack of barrel depth is really obvious.

Space Wolves:
Ragnar, Run Priest in Terminator Armour, Ulrik, Njal Classic, Iron Priest, Wolf Guard, Standard Bearer - SESMMS, SMS

Tau Empire:
Crisis Battle Suit, O'Shovah, Crisis Commander: Ugly, weak at the ankles. Again, Forgeworld shows how they could look if done right.
Space Pope - Ugly.
Aun Shi, Vespid - SMS
Broadside - Combination ugly plastic body and unstable, prone to snapping off ugly metal bits.

Tyranids:
Tyranid Ripper Swarm - Doesn't fit modern ripper look.
Old One Eye - Looks silly.

Witch Hunters:
Preachers - As with GK.
Sisters Repentia - Silly.
Henchmen Dialogus - As someone said. Looks like a SoB Sex Doll.
Metal Sisters, Seraphim - Again, shouldn't be metal by now. Aesthetically fine.
Battle Organ - Stupid as all hell, and weighs a ton.

Munga wrote:Chaos dreadnought. What the hell is up with that left hand? It looks like it's waiting for its nails to dry.

It made a certain amount of sense when the Power Scourge actually had rules, but yeah, a proper DCCW for it would be nice.

ph34r wrote:

martin74 wrote:the land speeders. have you ever put one of those together. such a pain in the @$$.

Again, are we sure this is 2011? Because it sounds like you are complaining about the OLD land speeder kit.

No, the current kit is horrible. Not in design, just in the fact that it is prone to some serious warpage on the fuselage parts, so is a right pain to assemble. The only other vehicle kit that I can think of that's as bad is the old Raider, which luckily isn't a problem any more.


For myself, the kits I would most like to see redone are Ork Buggies and Tracks (the vehicles themselves are fine, but some new crew would be nice). Followed by the Heavy Destroyer, as plastic-metal hybrids at the best of times are the work of the devil, and plastic-metal hybrids with a large chunk of metal hanging off one side of a flight stem are a sign of the end times.

Cadians could do with having all four of the special weapons on the sprue. A Space Wolf Scout kit with all the weapon options would be nice as well.

I think core is pretty important when it comes to choosing an army...
since they are almost mandatory and we just cant go around not having them , so....

High Elves core... Spearmen and Archers are ugly

Tomb Kings ... Yep out dated and ugly

Which dissapoints me since i love the 2 armies , and they should have updated models to go with the new edition.

insaniak wrote:
No, the current kit is horrible. Not in design, just in the fact that it is prone to some serious warpage on the fuselage parts, so is a right pain to assemble. The only other vehicle kit that I can think of that's as bad is the old Raider, which luckily isn't a problem any more.

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Yes, but it's a positive joy compared to the older metal Land speeders I think! Although the new little rare earth magnets at least make the prospect of it surviving a battle on its flight stand a realistic one now. Back in the day after one movement phase they seemed to spend the game flying around on the ground like some kind of futuristic lawn mower

GCMandrake - in amongst your exhaustive list, definitely the marine scouts. They look far too much like Wayne Rooney.

My biggest argument would be for a new Chaos sprue, and for GW to go mental with the design. Make something really chaos, and not just marine armour with the odd arrow on a gauntlet or spike on a shoulder pad.

Pacific wrote: Back in the day after one movement phase they seemed to spend the game flying around on the ground like some kind of futuristic lawn mower

The trick there was to snip the peg off the top of the flight stem, drill the hole in the bottom of the speeder out a little larger, and glue the end of the flight stem right up in there. The same trick almost made the old metal-plastic Fireprism something vaguely approximating stable.

Khorne Berserkers could use a good resculpt. The current Berserker frame dates back to third edition and has the oversized fists that were apparent in third edition.

insaniak wrote:

Pacific wrote: Back in the day after one movement phase they seemed to spend the game flying around on the ground like some kind of futuristic lawn mower

The trick there was to snip the peg off the top of the flight stem, drill the hole in the bottom of the speeder out a little larger, and glue the end of the flight stem right up in there. The same trick almost made the old metal-plastic Fireprism something vaguely approximating stable.

Where were you when I was 12 insaniak!

I'd say if Eldar got new jetbikes and plastic wraithguard I'd be really tempted to play them again. The new FW wraithseer looks all kind of sexy and a wraithguard/wraithlord heavy list would be cool as hell with plastic wraithguard.

For Chaos I'd like to see plastic greater daemons(not holding my breath there), plastic plague bearers, and the obvious CSM models mentioned already that are ancient.

New zombies for VCs. I don't even play fantasy, but I'd buy a box or two of zombies anyway!

Happygrunt wrote:Maybe chaos bikes would look like choppers?

What needs redoing?
The Catachan range. Specifically, the Command set. 3 of the 5 bodies are one piece. THAT IS BAD! DO NOT DO THAT! The whole range is kinda bad as well.

I know this is like a page late, but the Catachan command set is fantastic. The infantry squad DEFINITELY needs retooling, but the command and heavy weapon squads are great.

The dwarven lineup, slayers, lords, engies, runesmiths aside. They really need work. The plastic barely goes together.

Many SM kits need to be redone as well just as many are showing flaws. Holes in backpacks, many misaligned pieces.

Brother SRM wrote:

Happygrunt wrote:Maybe chaos bikes would look like choppers?

What needs redoing?
The Catachan range. Specifically, the Command set. 3 of the 5 bodies are one piece. THAT IS BAD! DO NOT DO THAT! The whole range is kinda bad as well.

I know this is like a page late, but the Catachan command set is fantastic. The infantry squad DEFINITELY needs retooling, but the command and heavy weapon squads are great.

Dont get me wrong, I love the bits and the commander heads, but the one piece body's? YUCK!

Tyranid Tyrant Guard for me.
I despise the models, they look so pathetic and almost deformed considering what they are supposed to be/do.
I actually prefer the 3rd ed ones to the current range, go figure.

Closely followed by the metal IG psyker squads. Do not like.

I don't want so much of a re-doing, but I'd love plastic Techmarine/Chaplain kits.

Really I'm surprised at that, but I guess it's subjective as always.

Personally this guy is one of my favorite models, I think an absolutely beautiful sculpt. In the drive to make an all-plastic range it's easy to forget that some models would just not be possible in plastic.

Most in need...the tomb spider....looks more like a tomb log

Element206 wrote:Most in need...the tomb spider....looks more log a tomb log

Tomb spider and scarabs tbh.

What these look like when the new codex comes out is going to decide if I start them or not...

#1) Warriors of Chaos Chariot - AFAIK there's literally no heavy chariot (plastic or otherwise) on the market to sub in instead of GW's abominable old crapper, but I want to run three of them

#2)

Munga wrote:Chaos dreadnought.

Amen brother. I'll take at least three of these too, and then figure out how to get them into my square-based chaos anyway. Perhaps as chariots?

- Salvage

Really I'm surprised at that, but I guess it's subjective as always.

Don't get me wrong, I agree that it looks cool. But I just think a plastic kit would be easier to apply wargear too, and make it easier to customize.

CT GAMER wrote:What these look like when the new codex comes out is going to decide if I start them or not...

I agree. What has kept my interest away from the Necrons is basically the fact that every unit that isnt a troop choice looks like butt. I will be waiting in anticipation for the new codex and to see a major evolution to the Necron warriors.

AvatarForm wrote:

Asuron wrote:Im thinking Obliterators
Horrible, ugly models and yet they are almost necessary to include in a CSM force

Blitza da warboy wrote:
Obliterators (they look silly, not scary.

If you think the new Oblits look bad, you should have seen their previous, blocky incarnations.

ROFL, you don't need to tell me that I've owned 6 of them since they were released >.< I still use them because I refuse to pay the outrageous cost for the new style ones!


As far as kits that need improvement I'm basically just going to be repeating here:

-Oblits, plastic would be nice. and maybe a box set
-Noise Marines need a seeeerious overhaul. Openin that box set was the most dissapointing thing I have done all year. 1 sonic weapon in a bloody box when it's an option for every unit?? lets get real people.. Still don't know what I paid the extra $20 for...
-Ork wartracks and any of the other vehicles that haven't been updated since the early 90's!! most of them look fine they are just out of scale and lacking detail compared to newer models.
-Plague Marines... but that's just because I think the current models look terrible!
-Any of the Dark Eldar that hasn't been updated yet. The old fat faced cartoony models need to be melted down and made into bases or something
-Sisters of Battle need a serious overhaul. scale wise they are quite whacky and having to buy a complete army of pewter is obsurd. Most of that army needs redoing! Penitant engines (they come in white boxes when you order them) and female inquisitors are horrid!
-I haaaaaaaaate the new style assault packs. they are a gap filling nightmare!

That's all I can think of right now

I find it pretty shocking GW still bother to sell the Ork Wartrakk and Buggy. Unbearably outdated models.

If it aint broke...

They still sell, because they are a solid choice in-game, but they are fugly and only come with twin-linked big shootas, which almost no-one uses. They need to come with rokkit launchas as an option, and with proper ork-sized orks to drive them. I have about 30 of the tiny orks that i use as counts-as grot yoofs for my guncrews

I don't dispute that they're a good unit to have, though I'd only ever use them as skorcha buggies (Deffkoptas are otherwise superior in most respects), but they're just a horrible, ugly, dated model.

Go look on the GW website, at the "Fast Attack" page for Orks. You see your Stormboyz, the bikes, Zagstruk, the Deffkopta model nobody actually owns (all great models)... then you see the Wartrakk and Warbuggy at roughly the same price as the others. I just can't imagine anyone's going on that page and thinking "yes! I'm having that."

Kid_Kyoto wrote:What it says on the tin - What kits are most in need of re-doing?

With 6th edition in sight Marines will get some new toys so we might get an update to the 4th edition Razorback now with all the options.

Looking at the awesome GK Termis the current termis just look like rubbish, I can see them being redone, hopefully with all the assault options included.

In fantasy I've been hoping the line of stiff Chaos warriors will get redone. They look good, don't get me wrong, but kind of boring in a unit and they're missing their great weapon options.

Who else?

What else?

Eldar Avatar
Chaos Dreadnought
Obliterators
Possessed
Havoks
Plaguebearers
Raptors
Everything that's still metal.

Worglock wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:What it says on the tin - What kits are most in need of re-doing?

With 6th edition in sight Marines will get some new toys so we might get an update to the 4th edition Razorback now with all the options.

Looking at the awesome GK Termis the current termis just look like rubbish, I can see them being redone, hopefully with all the assault options included.

In fantasy I've been hoping the line of stiff Chaos warriors will get redone. They look good, don't get me wrong, but kind of boring in a unit and they're missing their great weapon options.

Who else?

What else?

Eldar Avatar
Chaos Dreadnought
Obliterators
Possessed
Havoks
Plaguebearers
Raptors
Everything that's still metal.

What? The Posessed are some of GW`s coolest models!


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tehbarry wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:What it says on the tin - What kits are most in need of re-doing?

With 6th edition in sight Marines will get some new toys so we might get an update to the 4th edition Razorback now with all the options.

Looking at the awesome GK Termis the current termis just look like rubbish, I can see them being redone, hopefully with all the assault options included.

In fantasy I've been hoping the line of stiff Chaos warriors will get redone. They look good, don't get me wrong, but kind of boring in a unit and they're missing their great weapon options.

Who else?

What else?

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Woah woah woah, wait a second there! 6th edition is coming? O.O I didn't know that, so thanks for the news!

On the question, I think the whole high elf, dark elf, and wood elf ranges need a bit of redoing or such things.

It is not sure at all that it comes out soon(2012).

Eldar Jetbikes.

They are the exact same model from when I first started playing in second edition. The Jes Goodwin prototype photo looked amazing. The Dark Eldar codex dropped the ball when it came to writing rules for reavers, so no one uses them. Take that model design, make a Saim-Hann list, profit.

I know it's been said but Marine Bikes.....they are terrible.

Content Josho wrote:I find it pretty shocking GW still bother to sell the Ork Wartrakk and Buggy. Unbearably outdated models.

I think they're easily the most out of date models, especially since they have the least ability to be upgraded. At least the SM and CSM bikes can be dressed up with weapon, arm, and head swaps, plus there is the ravenwing sprue.

The trakk/buggy are just piles of old.

Remember kids: old metal is classy. Old plastic is out of date. (unless it's the 20+ old rhino hulled vehicles I have because I got them all in fire sales or used and refuse to replace them)

OH MY GOD! what the hell are all you marine players whining about? "the bikers need redoing, the predators need redoing, i want some new terminators!" Never mind the fact that last year HALF of the GW range were....

Thats right!: Marines.
and im not just taling about 40k here, half of EVERYTHING that GW released in 2010 was for marines, that includes WHFB and LOTR, over 50% of the releases were marines. and you are STILL whining over the fact that "my marine biker is looking ever so slightly out of date even though i have all this new stuff, i want more".

meanwhile, all us xenos playyers are waiting for our stuff, like necrons which havent been updated since i started the hoby! thats over 5 years ago!!! look at the wartrakks and war buggies! I think that GW has way more important stuff to do than make new marines! only problem is that they still have black templars and dark angels to update if they feel like it. with their current trends i wouldnt be surprised if they completley forgot that they had xenos races, and after updating those two marines chapters decided to do some new rainbow marines, because they have run out of marine codecies to update.
MARINE PLAYERS: STOP WHINING, YOU DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO BE COMPLAINING ABOUT!!!

This just in: Speds Mahreens players expect to be catered to like the special snowflakes that they are.

Possessed: No. The kit is terrible, the rules are terrible. They are a double decker sandwich of greasy cold terrible.

Well, When a huge chunk of people that buy GW buy Space Marines, they're going to be catered to.

yes, I'm not telling GW to stop catering to marine players, that would be bad for marketing, but I am saying stop bloody whining about not getting your new razorback, or that your bikers are rubbish when you get 50% of the releases.

Chaos Dreadnought. But then I guess their rules might keep people from taking them in the first place...so there's no need to update the model.


I think more people would be enticed to play the Tau if their battlesuits looked like the Forge World XV9 versions. It's strange that their vehicles look so organic and their battlesuits look like...bricks.

Content Josho wrote:I find it pretty shocking GW still bother to sell the Ork Wartrakk and Buggy. Unbearably outdated models.

To be honest I think they have taken advantage of the fact that the Ork player base tends to be made up of individuals that like/can kit-bash and convert readily, and that such creative modeling is also rather Orky.

In effect GW has used the nature of the army Ork army and the type of people often attracted to it as a crutch to not do anything with either of these kits...

CT GAMER wrote:

Content Josho wrote:I find it pretty shocking GW still bother to sell the Ork Wartrakk and Buggy. Unbearably outdated models.

To be honest I think they have taken advantage of the fact that the Ork player base tends to be made up of individuals that like/can kit-bash and convert readily, and that such creative modeling is also rather Orky.

In effect GW has used the nature of the army Ork army and the type of people often attracted to it as a crutch to not do anything with either of these kits...

Yea, srsly... my war buggies are AoBR deffkoptas with some kit bashing some clipping and re gluing. same with my trukks and battlewagons... sure the GW ones look cool but why have a me too wagon or trukk when you can buy some bits and make something unique... the orks don't have factories where their vehicles are made, they are cobbled together with what they find and usually only work because the orks believe they work. it makes for some interesting fluff.

one thing on my block currently I want to make is a looted wagon with boom gun out of a necron monolith.. never mind how it came to be taken by the orks but a big mek saw it, saw how big it was and convinced his warboss to go get it... I want to put a ridiculously oversized boomgun on that huge model and make it look like its held together with rope and shouldn't still function... will i field it ... probably not due to LoS issues and a rhino looted wagon is better to field but still will be cool to break out vocationally for the wtf is that factor

but on list of things that need to be redone I think tyranid zoanthropes need to be redone it's head is just to big, i think it look out of place, and i agree that tau battle suits could use redoing but i bet that will happen when they get their new codex to cache in

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GTFO!
The Avatar is a classic! (maybe a touch too small but still)

Kroothawk wrote:Out of my head:

(Wraithguard is not a redo of a kit, but a new plastic kit)

This is a re-do... by exact definition. The present 2-3 metal poses would be re-done in plastic with multi-part kits...

Pacific wrote:

MandalorynOranj wrote:Jain Zar, IMO worst-looking model in the game.

I will take your Jain Zar, and raise you this:

The GW shop paint job is what lets that mini down... you should see it painted true grimdark...

Worglock wrote:This just in: Speds Mahreens players expect to be catered to like the special snowflakes that they are.

Possessed: No. The kit is terrible, the rules are terrible. They are a double decker sandwich of greasy cold terrible.

Sorry for saying again, but I do not get what is bad about the kit. And we are no talking about rules anyway.

Eldar Jetbikes, and everything metal. Everything.

Necanor wrote:

Worglock wrote:This just in: Speds Mahreens players expect to be catered to like the special snowflakes that they are.

Possessed: No. The kit is terrible, the rules are terrible. They are a double decker sandwich of greasy cold terrible.

Sorry for saying again, but I do not get what is bad about the kit. And we are no talking about rules anyway.

I think it's more the potential for what could have been, the plastic kits look kind of comic-book esque to me, lots of big smooth surfaces and the disjointed connection of appendages.

If made in metal or resin, I think they could have been far more detailed and characterful, and ultimately more terrifying, which I think is something that 'possessed' should be. When they move into base contact with your models during a game, you should be genuinely afraid (regardless of rules), not thinking they look like some kind of Halloween version of the Y.M.C.A.

Pacific wrote:If made in metal or resin, I think they could have been far more detailed and characterful, and ultimately more terrifying, which I think is something that 'possessed' should be.

They could have been... unfortunately, though, the metal Possessed that preceded the plastic kit were instead imeasurably silly-looking.

Pacific wrote:Really I'm surprised at that, but I guess it's subjective as always.

Personally this guy is one of my favorite models, I think an absolutely beautiful sculpt. In the drive to make an all-plastic range it's easy to forget that some models would just not be possible in plastic.

It's a nice looking model, but there's nothing about it that would be particularly difficult to translate to plastic. In fact, a lot of today's plastics are far more intricate/detailed than that model. I could actually see a plastic box set with a techmarine, optional servo-harness, and assorted retinue coming out in the next marine wave if for no other reason than the fact that marines have little else that isn't already plastic.

dumbuket wrote:

Pacific wrote:Really I'm surprised at that, but I guess it's subjective as always.

Personally this guy is one of my favorite models, I think an absolutely beautiful sculpt. In the drive to make an all-plastic range it's easy to forget that some models would just not be possible in plastic.

It's a nice looking model, but there's nothing about it that would be particularly difficult to translate to plastic. In fact, a lot of today's plastics are far more intricate/detailed than that model. I could actually see a plastic box set with a techmarine, optional servo-harness, and assorted retinue coming out in the next marine wave if for no other reason than the fact that marines have little else that isn't already plastic.

Anyone who has knowledge of the plastic casting process know if the Techmarine would be possible in plastic? I don't know enough about it sadly, although I think the character models are one area I think they should leave alone - there is a beautiful level of detail they can achieve with metal, plastic is getting closer but there is still a difference between them. Personally I think complaining about a handful of individual models in the army (compared to the hordes of plastic minis) is going a little OTT. It's not that bad.

To me one of the main units that should be re-done is the humble Tactical Squad.

It should come with all the options, and have more intricate detail in the Marines themselves - their casting has improved enough to allow for all the ornate detail we see in their artwork.

A lot of others need pimping up as well, but for me, this is the main one.

GW should NOT make any more marine things for at east another year. they need to concentrate on their xennos, tau, necrons, definitley SOB, but NOT marines. NEVER marines for at least a year. you guys got 50% of the stuff last year, its our turn. this really bugs me. and why bother redoing the techmarine anyway? its a really nice model and there is absolutley no reason to redo it in plastic. it wouldnt add anything to the model. why would you want it in plastic? id prefer the metal one tbh.

I am going to put forth my vote for redoing the entire Sisters of Battle line.

The bolter sisters have about 7 poses I think. There are only 2 of each special weapon. There are only 1 type of each heavy weapon - I mix the bodies & weapons (and occasionally convert) so my Retributors don't look like quadplets. Exorcists are slowed looking. There is 1 metal canoness (with separate weapon bitz, but still - ONE POSE).

Plastic troop kits alone would revitalize the sisters completely - you could then kitbash every other model except the Exorcists.

I drool thinking about redoing seraphim in plastic, and getting rid of those awful foot spikes.

GW should NOT make any more marine things for at east another year. they need to concentrate on their xennos, tau, necrons, definitley SOB, but NOT marines. NEVER marines for at least a year. you guys got 50% of the stuff last year, its our turn. this really bugs me.

Whoa, easy fella. I put forward the Tactical Squad because Marines (of any form) are the most popular army, the kit has been around for over a decade & all they've changed is the price

I too would like to see Sisters done - I'm re-painting a small army at the moment & the Exorcist kit is a real pain - this said I think the models still hold up nicely, even with the limited poses. I think Tau & Necrons, hopefully Sisters, - will be done over the next year/18 months - but expect to see Black Templars at some point in between.

GW will never go a full year without releasing some SM models of some description because they sell too well. Sorry...

I think they should redo the Space Marine Terminator kit so that it includes robed and hooded bodies so I can have Deathwing Terminators that look appropriate and don't have to work on sculpting.

Content Josho wrote:I find it pretty shocking GW still bother to sell the Ork Wartrakk and Buggy. Unbearably outdated models.

Gets my vote too they're basically only good for taking a dremel after for conversions. The only up side to them is everyone else thinks they suck so you can get them for < $5 on occasion.

Here are the kits that I think need redesign.

Elder Harliquins
Elder Jetbikes, including the Viper

Necron Flayed Ones
Necron Heavy Destroyer
Necron Immortals
Necron Monolith
Necron Scarabs
Necron Tomb Spider

Ork Warbuggy
Ork Wartrack, including Scorcha

Tau Crisis Battlesuit, all variations and derivatives
Vespid

Witch Hunter Penitent Engine

What I'd really like to see for all armies:

A box with basic troops and basic weapons.
A box with special and heavy weapon options.

I know *why* they don't do it this way (and I know it will never happen in a million years), but if I woke up in paradise tomorrow, that's how things would be.

Plastic Death Korps of Krieg!

Plastic Traitor Legion Stuff.

Overhaul about 90% of the Chaos line. Start with the Dreadnoughts and Obliterators, go through many of the special characters, end with an honest-to-god drop pod. They should have them.

I love the plastic Demon Prince for Chaos, though. I bought one for my D&D campaign because it looks so cool.

walker90234 wrote:GW should NOT make any more marine things for at east another year. they need to concentrate on their xennos, tau, necrons, definitley SOB, but NOT marines. NEVER marines for at least a year. you guys got 50% of the stuff last year, its our turn. this really bugs me.

You stated this in another thread recently. Only 1 Space Marine codex came out in 2010: Blood Angels. Dark Eldar and Nids were the other 2. That's 33%. Frankly, I'm not sure why all of the hate. When you update 1 space marine codex, the others really don't need that much work. Don't you want GW to make money and keep making this game?

I'm also of the opinion that Tau, Eldar, and Chaos should have new codexes by now. In fact, as some other posters have said, you should update all of the codexes at once, when the new editions come out.

Mephiston
Corbulo

Any troop choice only available in metal that requires more than 5 minis to be effective, or costs more than i dunno 50 bucks.

DE beasts, Scorpions, banshees, wraithguard etc

SM scouts

Daemon troops should all be plastic

Daemon Prince lol

Warp spiders.

They are still the same model that we were using in 2nd ed.

bushido wrote:Chaos Dreadnought. But then I guess their rules might keep people from taking them in the first place...so there's no need to update the model.

I like the Chaos Dreadnoughts rules, I just hate the metal model. If they made one that looked good, I would buy one and only have to do minor conversions to it instead of fully converting a Loyalist Dreadnought or paying out a ludicrous amount of money for a Forge World Dreadnought that comes with ZERO arms/weapons requiring even more money to be spent, just to have one good looking model.

Also, some Chaos Legion specific upgrade sprues would be nice... torsos, heads, weapons, and shoulder pads all in one kit.

I don't know.

They all seem okay to me. I don't mind kitbashing/converting to get the desired unit. Doesn't matter anyways... old kit... new kit... I'm still going to somehow get glue on 50% of my fingers. *clumsy hands is clumsy*

The new kits have alot more things on them in less sprues

kronk wrote:Plastic Death Korps of Krieg!

Plastic Traitor Legion Stuff.

Overhaul about 90% of the Chaos line. Start with the Dreadnoughts and Obliterators, go through many of the special characters, end with an honest-to-god drop pod. They should have them.

I love the plastic Demon Prince for Chaos, though. I bought one for my D&D campaign because it looks so cool.

walker90234 wrote:GW should NOT make any more marine things for at east another year. they need to concentrate on their xennos, tau, necrons, definitley SOB, but NOT marines. NEVER marines for at least a year. you guys got 50% of the stuff last year, its our turn. this really bugs me.

You stated this in another thread recently. Only 1 Space Marine codex came out in 2010: Blood Angels. Dark Eldar and Nids were the other 2. That's 33%. Frankly, I'm not sure why all of the hate. When you update 1 space marine codex, the others really don't need that much work. Don't you want GW to make money and keep making this game?

I'm also of the opinion that Tau, Eldar, and Chaos should have new codexes by now. In fact, as some other posters have said, you should update all of the codexes at once, when the new editions come out.

As much as I love the Death Korps, I am against the idea of plastic figures, since you could never have such beautiful details on them. Though they should do plastic Thudd guns and Mortars.

Breotan wrote:Ork Warbuggy

Wow, I didn't know they were still doing that one. It's really old. Never got one though.

Breotan wrote:Here are the kits that I think need redesign.

Elder Harliquins
Elder Jetbikes, including the Viper

Necron Flayed Ones
Necron Heavy Destroyer
Necron Immortals
Necron Monolith
Necron Scarabs
Necron Tomb Spider

Ork Warbuggy
Ork Wartrack, including Scorcha

Tau Crisis Battlesuit, all variations and derivatives
Vespid

Witch Hunter Penitent Engine

What's wrong with Harlequins?

Kanluwen wrote:I think they should redo the Space Marine Terminator kit so that it includes robed and hooded bodies so I can have Deathwing Terminators that look appropriate and don't have to work on sculpting.

While they are at it, perhaps including Combi-meltas and Cyclone launchers in the Terminator and SW Terminator sets would be a step forwards.

I put forward the Tactical Squad because Marines (of any form) are the most popular army, the kit has been around for over a decade & all they've changed is the price

I don't play anymore but I do remember the tactical marine sprue got a recut when their fourth edition codex came out. It was a huge thing that plastic plasma guns came into existence. Many parts are the same as the old one but they did add parts and juggle around the extra bits some.

JoeyHeadwounds wrote:

bushido wrote:Chaos Dreadnought. But then I guess their rules might keep people from taking them in the first place...so there's no need to update the model.

I like the Chaos Dreadnoughts rules, I just hate the metal model. If they made one that looked good, I would buy one and only have to do minor conversions to it instead of fully converting a Loyalist Dreadnought or paying out a ludicrous amount of money for a Forge World Dreadnought that comes with ZERO arms/weapons requiring even more money to be spent, just to have one good looking model.

I pointed this out in another thread, but:
Chaos Dreadnought = £36
Forgeworld Dread (with 2 arms) = £40

In the US, the Chaos Dread is $58. A FW dread would be $66.

If you can get free shipping (to avoid the $10 shipping charge), possibly by buying with friends, it's not a bad deal.

I do agree that Chaos needs a new Dreadnought, however. The current model is both ugly and outrageously expensive. Chaos dread costs $58, while the loyalist scum only pay $45.

(I apologize in advance if GW sees this and immediately raises the price on the Loyalist dreadnought)

biccat wrote:
(I apologize in advance if GW sees this and immediately raises the price on the Loyalist dreadnought)

You dont really mean it...

walker90234 wrote:
MARINE PLAYERS: STOP WHINING, YOU DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO BE COMPLAINING ABOUT!!!

Please don't whine about whiners, you just look stupid. This thread is for whining about model kits. Ha.

Redo the meganobs to plastic and those flying metal boxes they call deffkoptas. Just release the aobr ones.

In fact anything thats metal to plastic if possible.

AvatarForm wrote:

biccat wrote:
(I apologize in advance if GW sees this and immediately raises the price on the Loyalist dreadnought)

You dont really mean it...

I would laugh, but feel bad about it.

biccat wrote:

AvatarForm wrote:

biccat wrote:
(I apologize in advance if GW sees this and immediately raises the price on the Loyalist dreadnought)

You dont really mean it...

I would laugh, but feel bad about it.

As I suspected.

Now get back into the GW vs CH thread and answer our Legal Qs

Lokirfellheart wrote:What's wrong with Harlequins?

For me, just the poses. They're supposed to look like they're leaping about, but instead mostly just look like they're balancing on overly starched loincloths, for the most part.

'Flying through the air' is hard to pull off on a static mini, and for my money the Harlies just didn't quite get there. Which takes takes some otherwise spectacular models and leaves them looking a bit silly.

insaniak wrote:

Lokirfellheart wrote:What's wrong with Harlequins?

For me, just the poses. They're supposed to look like they're leaping about, but instead mostly just look like they're balancing on overly starched loincloths, for the most part.
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Thank you for providing me with a belly-laugh today