I've met so many nice people since I started spending much of my hobby time at local game stores about 5 or 6 years ago, yet I don't know what it is about Warhammer that brings out so many badly behaved people too. I didn't see so many problems when I played historical simulation board games years ago and I've never seen strategy board game players behave in certain ways in game stores that are common with Warhammer. In the past week alone I've seen the following in local game stores strictly from Warhammer players:

1) One kid knee another in the butt and send him crashing into the painting/hobby table.

2) An adult with an obtrusive and obnoxiously loud ring-tone who also made babbling noises while assembling his models. The same loud voiced guy also complained that someone threw their dice at him in a game the day before. Since I've rarely ever seen him in a store where he wasn't either thoughtlessly or deliberately rude to employees, customers or both it's no surprise. Then he actually at one point made disparaging comments about the intelligence of someone else in the store. Amazing.

3) A kid who gets out of his seat dozens of times, sometimes multiple times in just a few minutes who bumps you every time he gets up and sits down. Even after moving my chair an additional foot away the problem persisted and I also had to ask him to stop kicking me, twice! Needless to say, it's fairly difficult to paint under such circumstances. Of course the parent just dropped him off and left him there with no supervision. Ugh.

4) Two, yes two different adult customers who talked continuously for several hours while in the store on two different days. Neither of these guys ever stopped talking for more than a few seconds in the space of 2 to 3 hours. Neither of these guys brought any models to work on or game with, they just talked incessantly for hours. Many people in the store, including the manager in one case were ready to pull their own heads off after a while just to end the pain.

5) A kid repeatedly cursing at and in front of other kids during a multi-player game.

I'll be glad when the new Battle Bunker opens, at least in the larger stores it's possible at times to move around to "hide" from bad behavior till it passes. There's no escape in the smaller GW stores once the dung hits the fan or worse, sits down next to you!

Well i'm younger but not a minor and I spend quite a bit of time at GW stores but I don't swear which is hard sometimes when 8 1's show up but me and friends are respectful sometimes we ask for rules clarfication. but once I saw this I'm in a gaming store dude walks over smacking food and says that move sucks my biovores would take you apart smack smack which repeated itself about ten times very sad actually.

Why do you think most people avoid stores like the plague !

And that's why you should invite your friends over and have some friendly games at the place of residence!

BrassScorpion wrote:4) Two, yes two different adult customers who talked continuously for several hours while in the store on two different days. Neither of these guys ever stopped talking for more than a few seconds in the space of 2 to 3 hours. Neither of these guys brought any models to work on or game with, they just talked incessantly for hours. Many people in the store, including the manager in one case were ready to pull their own heads off after a while just to end the pain.

aww man, people coming into the store and talking about the hobby! That's the worst thing about warhammer; if it was up to me everything about the hobby would be conducted in the strictest silence!

aww man, people coming into the store and talking about the hobby! That's the worst thing about warhammer; if it was up to me everything about the hobby would be conducted in the strictest silence!

Totally uniformed response. Everyone on the Internet thinks they are so smart.

First of all, most of the blather was not hobby related. Second, when people talk continuously non-stop for hours moving from one topic to another without any breaks at all it is generally annoying to most human beings as that goes far beyond friendly into the realm of distracting nuisance. Many if not most of the people in the store were bothered by it, most people would be by such continuous yammering. Unless of course you are one of those people who also behaves that way. In general, it is bad social form to talk for 3 hours continuously about anything, hobby or otherwise, without giving people some respite.

having a bad day are we?

All of that was in the space of just 4 days.

fire4effekt wrote:having a bad day are we?

Oh look. Another witty riposte.

There's nothing wrong with being annoyed by people coming in and just talking nonstop, and not actually having anything to say worth listening to or talking to anyone in particular.

In fact, that's something most people consider "annoying".

Guys, please don't start another flame thread or such thing!
Anyways, in my game store there aren't really any people like that, but I would just suggest gaming with friends at home or going to a different store.

It could also be something called "conversation", particularly if it were between two (relatively) adult participants. I persoanlly enjoy a long conversation with lulls and swells, gently traversing the topics like walking through a beautiful wilderland. Sometimes my wife and I have company over for nothing more than the conversation!

However, what Kan said and what BrassScorp described are different things. Kan is right about verbal spewing and how annoying it can be, but Scorp wasn't specific about whether this was what actually occured. Of course, there are better venues for a polite conversation than an FLGS, especially if you're not there to make a purchase.

BrassScorpion wrote:In general, it is bad social form to talk for 3 hours continuously about anything, hobby or otherwise, without giving people some respite.

I usually find that's called a decent conversation.

Laughing Man wrote:

BrassScorpion wrote:In general, it is bad social form to talk for 3 hours continuously about anything, hobby or otherwise, without giving people some respite.

I usually find that's called a decent conversation.

I often go and sit in a tea room with a friend I haven't seen for a while and chat for up to five hours! Shocking I know.

Ketara wrote:

Laughing Man wrote:

BrassScorpion wrote:In general, it is bad social form to talk for 3 hours continuously about anything, hobby or otherwise, without giving people some respite.

I usually find that's called a decent conversation.

I often go and sit in a tea room with a friend I haven't seen for a while and chat for up to five hours! Shocking I know.

Scandalous. I'm horrified that the employees there don't kick you out for your disgusting behavior.

Laughing Man wrote:

Ketara wrote:

Laughing Man wrote:

BrassScorpion wrote:In general, it is bad social form to talk for 3 hours continuously about anything, hobby or otherwise, without giving people some respite.

I usually find that's called a decent conversation.

I often go and sit in a tea room with a friend I haven't seen for a while and chat for up to five hours! Shocking I know.

Scandalous. I'm horrified that the employees there don't kick you out for your disgusting behavior.

May I please sig this?

Laughing Man wrote:

Ketara wrote:

Laughing Man wrote:

BrassScorpion wrote:In general, it is bad social form to talk for 3 hours continuously about anything, hobby or otherwise, without giving people some respite.

I usually find that's called a decent conversation.

I often go and sit in a tea room with a friend I haven't seen for a while and chat for up to five hours! Shocking I know.

Scandalous. I'm horrified that the employees there don't kick you out for your disgusting behavior.

Oh but they do. So we usually go and stand in a GW and carry on our conversation, since we think everyone there would like in on it as well. Spread the goodwill, you know?

tehbarry wrote:

Laughing Man wrote:

Ketara wrote:

Laughing Man wrote:

BrassScorpion wrote:In general, it is bad social form to talk for 3 hours continuously about anything, hobby or otherwise, without giving people some respite.

I usually find that's called a decent conversation.

I often go and sit in a tea room with a friend I haven't seen for a while and chat for up to five hours! Shocking I know.

Scandalous. I'm horrified that the employees there don't kick you out for your disgusting behavior.

May I please sig this?

I've been sigged? My life is complete. I may now die happy.

BrassScorpion wrote:...Warhammer that brings out so many badly behaved people...!

Ever hang out in a bar? Or try a Walmart.

People are jerks, Americans can be incredibly belligerent and unrefined, other peoples kids are irritating, it's not Warhammer.

Also for the record:

Deodorant in public is necessary!

I gotta agree about poor behavior. During a tournament before Games of Concord shut down years ago,this guy was once loitering around, not even in the tournament! He would not only watch the tournament, he would pick up models that were still on the table without asking, say things like blah blah blah you should do this to get an extra 100 points, let me roll those dice you suck! I let it go as I pitied he couldnt even play that day. Eventually he left, but if he came back during the second game I wouldve probably shot off at the mouth to mind his own business and let people play how they want.

The OP was quite clear that the 3 hour robo-rants were conducted on two separate occasions by two different people.

That isn't conversation. So stop bagging on him.

BrassScorpion wrote:1) One kid knee another in the butt and send him crashing into the painting/hobby table.

2) An adult with an obtrusive and obnoxiously loud ring-tone who also made babbling noises while assembling his models. The same loud voiced guy also complained that someone threw their dice at him in a game the day before. Since I've rarely ever seen him in a store where he wasn't either thoughtlessly or deliberately rude to employees, customers or both it's no surprise. Then he actually at one point made disparaging comments about the intelligence of someone else in the store. Amazing.

3) A kid who gets out of his seat dozens of times, sometimes multiple times in just a few minutes who bumps you every time he gets up and sits down. Even after moving my chair an additional foot away the problem persisted and I also had to ask him to stop kicking me, twice! Needless to say, it's fairly difficult to paint under such circumstances. Of course the parent just dropped him off and left him there with no supervision. Ugh.

4) Two, yes two different adult customers who talked continuously for several hours while in the store on two different days. Neither of these guys ever stopped talking for more than a few seconds in the space of 2 to 3 hours. Neither of these guys brought any models to work on or game with, they just talked incessantly for hours. Many people in the store, including the manager in one case were ready to pull their own heads off after a while just to end the pain.

5) A kid repeatedly cursing at and in front of other kids during a multi-player game.

These reasons and many more are why it is one day SO COOL to have your own apartment, or better, game room. My only advice is to do your best with it. Everyone (and I mean EVERYONE) has their odd quirks and rudenesses. Hopefully they will mature. But even if they do, there's always someone else who's NEW and hasn't learned these ways yet. So you can either avoid the gamestore entirely (and miss the good side of socializing) or else you can try to figure out how to deal with odd behavior.

Because I have a secret to tell you.

Odd behavior is absolutely everywhere.

Cheers!
Solorg

I see it too often at some stores I've been to where the parents drop the kid off and let the store babysit for the day.

Kilkrazy wrote:The OP was quite clear that the 3 hour robo-rants were conducted on two separate occasions by two different people.

That isn't conversation. So stop bagging on him.

Ah, it seems the way its laid out is a spot unclear. See, I read it as 'two chaps having a conversation', but now that you've said that, I can see it can also be read as 'two different chaps on different occassions never shutting up'. Hmmm....Apologies if I got it the wrong way around. If that was the wrong way around? Or possibly the right....hang on, I think I'm confusing myself now....

CURNOW wrote:Why do you think most people avoid stores like the plague !

Bingo. There was a time when I did game in store, but the group I was part of was good friends with the owner, he would even leave us the keys to lock up if we wanted to play later than he felt like staying. All we had to do when there was unacceptable behavior was give him a look and the problem was taken care of.

Oh god, the audacity of two people TALKING! How ever did you make it out alive?

Dont be a jerk. Doesnt matter WHAT they were talking about, be a grown up and ignore them if it bothers you. Life is inconvenient, deal with it like an adult.

comrade_nikolai wrote: warhammer; if it was up to me everything about the hobby would be conducted in the strictest silence!

Warhammer...its serious business.

Mad4Minis wrote:Warhammer...its serious business.

Profanity is against the Dakka Rules - Image Removed - Lorek

Be the man you want to see out there!

OP-

This is a social change in the general gamer community as a whole, not just isn't in your shop.

For one thing, the general bringing up the next level of gangers from older cats to younger has... gone. We don't see solid gaming communities putting the smackith down on unruly upstarts. I remember when and all that, but it has to do with an across the board society thing. These little !@#$'s think that its something about respect, or just being able to go into public and rage on, or just do what they do at thier own house with no structure.

We've been doing a good job of cracking down on it ourselves, but there is always the TFG's and the ones and twos that slip through the cracks. Of course, we've got a gameing shop full of cops, military, and generally ... older, more mature crowds that have a pretty strict in house social norm. Punks come in, try that maybe one time out of a hundred, and are easily schooled by thier conteperaries that if they want to stay welcome, they either pipe the !@#$ down, or get thier ears pined back. Best thing is to have the youngsters police up themselves, YOU know that you have a pretty good second, third, forth etc. generation when the shop continues to cultivate both social structure, AND a collective solid gaming crew. For the general D bag, we've got our own ways to deal with them...

One is to call them out and tell them to shut the !@#$ up, or GTFO. The other is to listen, rebut, and if the conversation goes outside of what people really want to talk about, you can stop that stuff too. We do alot of !@# talking out there in the real world, and if you haven't figured it out, Military and Police have a wide range of conversations. I can only guess what youngsers think of some of the conversations that we talk about.

I've noticed things like this though, happening EVERYWHERE. We have to crack a few skulls at work, you have to call someone out sometimes when they want to start up in public, and even once of all times, in the grocery store. It isn't confined to kids, either. People in general are losing thier social norms.

How do YOU deal with it?

One way is a Louisville Slugger, or a nice Crowbar...

OR

You have a collective general conversation that addresses these issues and how does your game crew supposed to, or want to, deal with it. Somethines, people are so afraid of confrontation that they go puss and don't even want to deal with it. They'll let someone be a jagoff in thier own store, and let it happen, because they are either scared, puss, or just don't see it as thier place to keep general collective shop standards.

Biggest, and most difficult thing, I've seen is shops that don't know how to cultivate, or manage a social identity. They want to be EVERYONE to everything, and be everyones pal.

The unfortunate thing about it though, is that not every customer is important, and sometimes, Like that guy said on clerks- "The customer is an a!@##$%."

You are one of how many gamers in your area that your playing at? You need to get with them and see what they want to do. Otherwise, sorry dude, but you are just going to have to suck that one up and put up with thier ... eccentricities.

I say to the rest of you to not bag on this guy and start stuff, because you all know that he's saying what you have seen as well. This stuff has become more prevelent in the general public, and it is creeping into the stores, too.

I sympathise with you, but believe me- There are ways to deal with it.

I've been incredibly lucky in this aspect. The only real disturbance I remember having to witness was an older lady with dementia coming into the GW store saying "Help me!" Apparently her husband was getting a haircut, and she didn't want to get one. Somehow this manifested itself into some sort of episode where she thought her minder and the hair cuttery staff were trying to get her. She literally went to the back of the shop, trying to get anyone in the store to help her. I felt bad for the guy working the shop. He really didn't know what to say. Hell, none of us did. The minder was at her wits end too. Every time she tried to usher her out of the store, it made things worse. Finally her husband showed up and they were able to get her out to the van and I guess back to the old folks home. The whole time, this lady was asking for help from us.

I do believe that the manager of the GW then stated the the store was closed for the rest of the day after that. Jokingly...

People having conversations in store when I'm playing a game.

... Having to think back to the last time I played in a store - it was a while ago, somewhere around 13 years or so (maybe more) ...

I don't think I ever noticed them. If I was concentrating on what I was doing, then I don't see or hear anything else around me that isn't an "AHWOOGA!".

Kids in my club doing it while hanging around the table where I'm playing my game (and discussing crap like yu-gi-oh or poke-yer-mom or other cartoons for 6 year olds) just get told to take it elsewhere. Like the other side of the room, and to close the folding doors.

All of which you explained is a norm for stores. Besides the kid kicking you. You should invest in some noise reducing headphones, keeps out unwanted conversations and you can listen to your music while painting. But, really trying to keep the store quiet and peaceful? You should paint at home if that's what you want. Also, when the bunker opens what are you going to do about the cheering and yelling of WAAAAGH from the players? Or even the "so you want to checkout this... or how about this... did you want to buy those today." from the employees?

Seriously guys, I know exactly what the OP is on about, as it goes on quite frequently in my local too. We're talking loud and belligerent individuals who make Brian Blessed sound like a wee little mouse. They are as annoying as hell and thew volume just increases exponentially, when one gets louder the other has to get louder than them. And so forth....

People having conversations about random stuff in the store is fine, I do it all the time. People doing the "Fergie hairdryer" for 3 hours straight is not.

It's a nerdy hobby usually populated by nice mild mannered nerds like me (the internet just brings out the worst in me, i swear). Other social outcasts can sometimes be drawn to it as a new avenue to make friends, some of these people will indeed be ill mannered or not 'potty trained' when it comes to social interactions.

Hückleberry wrote:I see it too often at some stores I've been to where the parents drop the kid off and let the store babysit for the day.

Someone did that once at the video game store I was managing at the time. The parents were incensed when they showed up three hours later to pick their child up and the child wasn't there. Running to the counter in a panic, they asked where their child was. 'I called mall security fifteen minutes after you left and had them pick him up. They're located just off the center courtyard, next to the Abercrombie store.'

I did not allow unattended children in my store, ever. The only reason they got away with leaving the kid in the first place was I was too busy with another customer at the time to stop and tell them they couldn't leave their child there. I was telling people that about once a week. Got old real fast, and there were a few complaints sent to Corporate because of it, but I'm not a babysitter.

My FLGS is pretty good. We occasionally get rubberneckers around the gaming tables, but they're pretty well-behaved. We keep an eye on them, and if we see someone reaching for a model we tell them 'Please ask first, if you would.' The children have been kept in appropriate check; some of the regulars have children who freely wander about the store, because they know as long as they stay well-behaved they can continue to wander the store freely. (They also know who tends to have snacks and who will give them a little something if they ask politely. Vultures, I tell you, the lot of them ... Sure kid, you can have a couple chips. Like my new tank?)

There are a couple of THOSE GUYS that roam the store occasionally. We know who they are, we generally avoid them as possible, and we generally make it clear through attitude, body language, and selective wording that those people aren't welcome in this particular area, now why don't you go upstairs and hang out with the Magic folks? Yeah, off you go.

... It helps that a couple of the 40k guys are members of the local college football team, and built like Space Marine recruits. <.<

comrade_nikolai wrote:

BrassScorpion wrote:4) Two, yes two different adult customers who talked continuously for several hours while in the store on two different days. Neither of these guys ever stopped talking for more than a few seconds in the space of 2 to 3 hours. Neither of these guys brought any models to work on or game with, they just talked incessantly for hours. Many people in the store, including the manager in one case were ready to pull their own heads off after a while just to end the pain.

aww man, people coming into the store and talking about the hobby! That's the worst thing about warhammer; if it was up to me everything about the hobby would be conducted in the strictest silence!

Comprehension of OP fail.

AvatarForm wrote:

comrade_nikolai wrote:

BrassScorpion wrote:4) Two, yes two different adult customers who talked continuously for several hours while in the store on two different days. Neither of these guys ever stopped talking for more than a few seconds in the space of 2 to 3 hours. Neither of these guys brought any models to work on or game with, they just talked incessantly for hours. Many people in the store, including the manager in one case were ready to pull their own heads off after a while just to end the pain.

aww man, people coming into the store and talking about the hobby! That's the worst thing about warhammer; if it was up to me everything about the hobby would be conducted in the strictest silence!

Comprehension of OP fail.

The OP didn't specify in his first comment what they were talking about so he had every right to assume with the information given to him.

Back on topic-
I've been an unattended kid a gaming store but I think I've always been well behaved. Never had guys too horrible. Had one kid who I didn't think even had an army who would walk around and generally annoy people. I had my kill pile of necrons (just piled, some on top of each other) and would comment like, "Lol, look at those guys look gay lololololol". I can easily be imature, but I wouldn't unless I was strictly around my friends and we were all in the mood. But I have to hand it to the red shirts in my area, they do a pretty good job at dealing with TFGs and being generally friendly.

Mewiththeface wrote:

AvatarForm wrote:

comrade_nikolai wrote:

BrassScorpion wrote:4) Two, yes two different adult customers who talked continuously for several hours while in the store on two different days. Neither of these guys ever stopped talking for more than a few seconds in the space of 2 to 3 hours. Neither of these guys brought any models to work on or game with, they just talked incessantly for hours. Many people in the store, including the manager in one case were ready to pull their own heads off after a while just to end the pain.

aww man, people coming into the store and talking about the hobby! That's the worst thing about warhammer; if it was up to me everything about the hobby would be conducted in the strictest silence!

Comprehension of OP fail.

The OP didn't specify in his first comment what they were talking about so he had every right to assume with the information given to him.

Back on topic-
I've been an unattended kid a gaming store but I think I've always been well behaved. Never had guys too horrible. Had one kid who I didn't think even had an army who would walk around and generally annoy people. I had my kill pile of necrons (just piled, some on top of each other) and would comment like, "Lol, look at those guys look gay lololololol". I can easily be imature, but I wouldn't unless I was strictly around my friends and we were all in the mood. But I have to hand it to the red shirts in my area, they do a pretty good job at dealing with TFGs and being generally friendly.

As comprehended by others in this thread also, the annoyance is the incessant talking... not the topic. Even if it were about the Hobby, incessant chatter as background noise is annoying.

The manager at my old FLGS used to tell stories of a guy in full blood/Khorne/Skull tatts who would come in and scream "BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!" at the top of his lungs and scare the younger crowd whilst playing with his Chaos army

-Back on subject, I do know what you're talking about and I agree with some of the other posters. When I was brought into this hobby the older guys at my store took me under their wing, along with the red shirt that worked at the store and helped me with not only my modeling skills, but basic behavior and stuff like that. I've always been well behaved, but that older generation teaching younger generation is almost completely lost. On top of that it can be fostered if the manager/employees let it persist, many times kids just don't know they're bugging anyone and a simple stfu will suffice. If all of this happened at the same hobby store and persisted I would probably swap stores to a more "chill" locale.

Man, my store is so lenient compared to you guys.

we have HEAPS of kids, I mean like 60 to 75% of the customers are kids. Who steal minis, push the tables (one of my resins broke from them pushing the tables) and run around the store (someone broke a superheavy from tripping)

Our store has eavy metal up loud, and the painting station is one of the most gacked up I have seen. We have parents dropping in children every day. Its so annoying.

So I actually sympathise with the OP, but again if you choose to go into a public store, some things like that will inevitably happen. It is your choice whether to make a huge deal of it or not.

Doctadeth wrote:Man, my store is so lenient compared to you guys.

we have HEAPS of kids, I mean like 60 to 75% of the customers are kids. Who steal minis, push the tables (one of my resins broke from them pushing the tables) and run around the store (someone broke a superheavy from tripping)

Our store has eavy metal up loud, and the painting station is one of the most gacked up I have seen. We have parents dropping in children every day. Its so annoying.

So I actually sympathise with the OP, but again if you choose to go into a public store, some things like that will inevitably happen. It is your choice whether to make a huge deal of it or not.

Im thinking the problem rests with the Parents and Manager of the FLGS...

Perhaps have a word with the sotre manager... if all else fails, taze any kid who ouches your minis.

Geek kids: above-average intelligence; below-average social skills.

The OP complains that he didn't encounter this behaviour amongst the historical wargaming crowd he used to run with, but I can assure you that this sort of erratic behaviour is just as common in that community as it is in the SF/fantasy wargaming community (and the two intersect far more often than you might expect).

The main difference is that the latter tends to be the one that appeals more to children and young teenagers than the former. As a result, there are more young people in the community who have never been in an adult community before.

I've seen through numerous clubs, stores and groups how involvement with miniatures wargaming helps youngsters in all sorts of ways, but the learning process is a gradual thing. Meeting their behaviour with anger and aggression is not going to show them a better way but simply teach them that older gamers are angry and aggressive.

Yes, if you're an adult gamer, it's annoying to have your games or painting interrupted by younger gamers. But you have the benefit of your own place and your own income and the freedom to play at numerous venues (if you make a mature effort to find them). Kids, generally, don't and the store is their place to paint and play and no other place is realistically available to many of them.

If you're going to the store, then, why not go with a mind to playing a game with a younger player, or giving some encouragement to a younger painter?

Of course, if it's adults who're giving you the earache (or worse), then why not encourage them to check out the local club (if there is one - if not, try starting one) and remove their irritating chatter from your space. However, remember that some adults are still kids in many ways - those with mental or social disorders need the same help as young gamers to help them access the hobby at their level.

Finally, there's no denying that some people are just idiots and, unfortunately, so are some gamers. These tend to be fairly rare and you can usually get around them or ignore them and wait for a nice person to come along (we're much more common, fortunately).

R.

Every store has it's scrotes. It's a face of life. Like arseholes determined to sit right at the bar, even on the busiest of nights, reducing the service space to perhaps a foot, and then muttering an scowling when (due to their own thoughtless positioning) you have to reach between them to pay and get your pint.

As a former GW Blueshirt (and come to think of it Red and Black shirt. I'm like my own GW based Starfleet crew) I'm pretty good at dealing with it. In particular, people bumping you when you're painting is a pain, but remember, a lot of these peeps are kids, fairly giddy at their new hobby. Doesn't take much to have a polite but firm word, explaining that it's a bit rude to bump people. Engage them in conversation. Convert them from oiks to gamers. Sure, there are those who no amount of cajoling wiill stopthem from being oiks, but c'est la vie!

Laughing Man wrote:

BrassScorpion wrote:In general, it is bad social form to talk for 3 hours continuously about anything, hobby or otherwise, without giving people some respite.

I usually find that's called a decent conversation.

I know completely what the OP means though. I've worked in a store, and I think every store has at least 1 or 2 'residents' who come in and just talk incessantly. The point is that most of the time, they aren't interested at all in conversation, they simply talk at you. And sadly, because you are working for the company, you have to stand there and endure it. The first time I wondered why the manager did a road runner-style dash to the store room when a 'resident' came in, an hour later when I was still being informed about an orc army that had been entirely converted from playmobil, I knew why.

One of the other chaps in the store used to just ignore them and walk off, pretend to be doing something etc., although sadly I could never bring myself to be impolite (even though I prayed for God to save me! )

Pacific wrote: (even though I prayed for God to save me! )

The Emperor Protects

Back on topic. Fortunately I don't think we have much of a problem in my store. sure you get some nerdy kids come in who make lame jokes, but that's no worse than me. as I'm essentially a bigger nerdy kid with lame jokes
and whenever I see a kid doing something he shouldn't then we just turn to him and nicely talk to him "please pick up my freshly painted orks by the base if you have to, smears don't look good" and the like.
I imagine I have been guilty of such indiscretions before, but bing old enough to buy your fellow gamers a pint afterwards eases all tensions

The stores I go are pretty easy going and I always like some background chatter, the monastery silence is never good. The only thing that made me spazz out was when someone picked up my Elysian sniper by the barrel of the gun which proceeded to snap. Yeah, not our finest moment.

Mr Mystery wrote:Every store has it's scrotes. It's a face of life.Like arseholes determined to sit right at the bar, even on the busiest of nights, reducing the service space to perhaps a foot, and then muttering an scowling when (due to their own thoughtless positioning) you have to reach between them to pay and get your pint.

QFT. And its just as annoying from the other side of the bar, when you're trying to serve customers who want to hand over their hard-earned cash, and the bar-space is clogged with gonks. Also makes it difficult to work out who actually wants serving, thus making for the poor quiet people tucked in the back who spend a lot of time going thirsty..which in turn means a grumpy landlord wanting to know why people aren't getting served..not to mention grumpy punters who get fractious and rude at the staff and other drinkers.

And this translates back into a store setting as well. Shop service often consists of two extremes...On one hand there is the frightening enthusiasm from some redshirt who wont go away and tries to sell you anything he can see, hobby-related or not, and on the other hand it requires flags, flares and brute force to get the attention of anyone at all. In very many cases, the reason one can't get served is because the staff member is stuck behind some foul-smelling foghorn or a shower of gossiping regs and brawling children. At least in a bar the staff have the legal right to remove people causing a problem. Licensing law is a bit more clear cut about smelly loud arseholes.

Mewiththeface wrote:[I've been an unattended kid a gaming store but I think I've always been well behaved.

Candroth wrote:

Hückleberry wrote:I see it too often at some stores I've been to where the parents drop the kid off and let the store babysit for the day.

Someone did that once at the video game store I was managing at the time. The parents were incensed when they showed up three hours later to pick their child up and the child wasn't there. Running to the counter in a panic, they asked where their child was. 'I called mall security fifteen minutes after you left and had them pick him up. They're located just off the center courtyard, next to the Abercrombie store.'

I did not allow unattended children in my store, ever.

Doctadeth wrote:we have HEAPS of kids, I mean like 60 to 75% of the customers are kids. Who steal minis, push the tables (one of my resins broke from them pushing the tables) and run around the store (someone broke a superheavy from tripping)
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"The Kids" get's thrown around alot, but it's not really a helpfull term in this kind of discussion.
It might be worthwhile for the conversation to define what age we're talking about when we say kids, especially when it's relating to children left by their parents.

Are we talking about:
-Young teens 13-14 who might be annoying, but are old enough to hopefully self regulate when guided by adults.
-Pre-teens 10-12 who are in that grey area where the parents feel fine leaving them alone, but they're really not always ready to self-regulate in an adult/young-adult environment.
-Even younger under 10 year olds whose parents are abusing retaliers by treating them like babysitters, and possibly abusing their kids through what could be construed as child abandonment.

By the way, I love the idea of calling mall security. There's no reason you should have to play babysitter for someone's kids. Kidnapping still happens, and what kind of parent leaves their child (I'm assuming it's a young child here) alone in a mall?

I got pegged with an empty soda bottle once. Deliberately thrown at me as hard as the thrower could manage. I'm an adult going on 30... The thrower, a 14 yr old middle school kid.

I work for a FLGS and let me tell you... the horrors.... Some things are just too terrible to not block from your memory.

That aside as an employee let me say TELL US when something is going on. We can't do anything about it if we don't know it's going on. Our gaming space is separated from our retail section so we don't know whats going on over there unless we get told. If some kid ran around and broke your stuff you tell us and that kid will be out of there so fast it'll get the emperor off his throne. When i've played there we haven't had any issues with kids or stealing but i promise that if i, or any coworker i have, heard about something like that we'd handle it. I've banned kids from our store before and i'll do it again. Most of the time we've been lucky and when we ban kids from the store the parents make them call and apologize for their actions.

Also, i think that i can trump pretty much everything that's been said so far. We have a regular who, from what i've been told, has PTSD or something along those lines. He has shrapnel scars across his body and has a few quirks. In Wisconsin we have open carry laws. You can not conceal carry but if you simply have your pistol holstered and visible you can legally take it with you pretty much anywhere. He was losing to his opponent, who has never won a tourney and looses 3 out of 4 games but keeps on trying bless his heart, when he pulled his 1911 pistol on his opponent and threatened to kill him. He was quickly kicked the hell out and we had a long talking with the person who the gun was pulled on. He said he didn't feel threatened and knew the guy wasn't all there and didn't mean it. The person apologized profusely and came back many months later. Since then he's been fine and we've had no issues. He still carries his gun but if anyone asks him to he puts it in his car. He's a nice guy, he just went through hell in Afghanistan.

Tabo wrote: Also, i think that i can trump pretty much everything that's been said so far. We have a regular who, from what i've been told, has PTSD or something along those lines. He has shrapnel scars across his body and has a few quirks. In Wisconsin we have open carry laws. You can not conceal carry but if you simply have your pistol holstered and visible you can legally take it with you pretty much anywhere. He was losing to his opponent, who has never won a tourney and looses 3 out of 4 games but keeps on trying bless his heart, when he pulled his 1911 pistol on his opponent and threatened to kill him. He was quickly kicked the hell out and we had a long talking with the person who the gun was pulled on. He said he didn't feel threatened and knew the guy wasn't all there and didn't mean it. The person apologized profusely and came back many months later. Since then he's been fine and we've had no issues. He still carries his gun but if anyone asks him to he puts it in his car. He's a nice guy, he just went through hell in Afghanistan.

Too much dakka.....

Why are you afraid of dealing with children? Use your Big Boy voice and maintain the pecking order.

1) One kid knee another in the butt and send him crashing into the painting/hobby table.
***That’s funny. Kick them out by literally throwing them out and toss their minis behind. Remember WWPD? (What would Predator do?)

2) An adult with an obtrusive and obnoxiously loud ring-tone who also made babbling noises while assembling his models. The same loud voiced guy also complained that someone threw their dice at him in a game the day before. Since I've rarely ever seen him in a store where he wasn't either thoughtlessly or deliberately rude to employees, customers or both it's no surprise. Then he actually at one point made disparaging comments about the intelligence of someone else in the store. Amazing.
***That’s funny.. Kick him out by literally throwing them out and toss their minis behind. Remember WWPD? (What would Predator do?)

3) A kid who gets out of his seat dozens of times, sometimes multiple times in just a few minutes who bumps you every time he gets up and sits down. Even after moving my chair an additional foot away the problem persisted and I also had to ask him to stop kicking me, twice! Needless to say, it's fairly difficult to paint under such circumstances. Of course the parent just dropped him off and left him there with no supervision. Ugh.
***Lean in very quietly. Tell him you have a teenage son who needs gas money really bad, and if Dad’s little oopsy gets near you one more time you’re going to give the teenager $50 to beat him like a redheaded stepchild.

4) Two, yes two different adult customers who talked continuously for several hours while in the store on two different days. Neither of these guys ever stopped talking for more than a few seconds in the space of 2 to 3 hours. Neither of these guys brought any models to work on or game with, they just talked incessantly for hours. Many people in the store, including the manager in one case were ready to pull their own heads off after a while just to end the pain.
***Loudly tell the to shut their mouth holes already. What are they women that have to fill every quiet moment with their vomitous filth?

5) A kid repeatedly cursing at and in front of other kids during a multi-player game.
***That’s funny.. Kick him out by literally throwing them out and toss their minis behind. Remember WWPD? (What would Predator do?)



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Doctadeth wrote:Man, my store is so lenient compared to you guys.

we have HEAPS of kids, I mean like 60 to 75% of the customers are kids. Who steal minis, push the tables (one of my resins broke from them pushing the tables) and run around the store (someone broke a superheavy from tripping)

Our store has eavy metal up loud, and the painting station is one of the most gacked up I have seen. We have parents dropping in children every day. Its so annoying.

So I actually sympathise with the OP, but again if you choose to go into a public store, some things like that will inevitably happen. It is your choice whether to make a huge deal of it or not.

Clearly a amanagement issue. If management is going to run a daycare then they can at least put in a few rules. Having said that, I wouldn't be caught dead in such a place.

@Tabo

If your vet gamer has PTSD, that should disqualify him from carrying a firearm due to mental instability. However, check the laws in your state.

Pulling a real gun on someone over gaming means this guy needs his gun taken from him. What if he "accidentally" pulled the trigger, or tripped just as he was pulling the gun. or any other number of things, etc...

Maxstreel wrote:@Tabo

If your vet gamer has PTSD, that should disqualify him from carrying a firearm due to mental instability. However, check the laws in your state.

Pulling a real gun on someone over gaming means this guy needs his gun taken from him. What if he "accidentally" pulled the trigger, or tripped just as he was pulling the gun. or any other number of things, etc...

I don't think it was ever officially branded on him. He got an honorable discharge and that's that according to what i've heard.

Killamop wrote:

Tabo wrote: Also, i think that i can trump pretty much everything that's been said so far. We have a regular who, from what i've been told, has PTSD or something along those lines. He has shrapnel scars across his body and has a few quirks. In Wisconsin we have open carry laws. You can not conceal carry but if you simply have your pistol holstered and visible you can legally take it with you pretty much anywhere. He was losing to his opponent, who has never won a tourney and looses 3 out of 4 games but keeps on trying bless his heart, when he pulled his 1911 pistol on his opponent and threatened to kill him. He was quickly kicked the hell out and we had a long talking with the person who the gun was pulled on. He said he didn't feel threatened and knew the guy wasn't all there and didn't mean it. The person apologized profusely and came back many months later. Since then he's been fine and we've had no issues. He still carries his gun but if anyone asks him to he puts it in his car. He's a nice guy, he just went through hell in Afghanistan.

Too much dakka.....

Good to see the time honored tradition of dispute management via firearms is being carried from card games to newer pursuits. That'll liven things up.
PLayer A:"Ha, my Dreadknight instakills your demon prince! HAHAHAHHA"
Player B: Puts Sig 290 on table. "What?"
Player A: " I said Ha your demon prince instakilled my Dreadknight. Well played!"

Yeah, true enough about the social skills, but I meran its really freaking annoying when you have kids taking a look at your models without asking, or just stealing them...

Hey, get back here! you little

Example: a 12 year old stealing and running of with my Gaunts ghosts squad, and my cheesebuger...

Frazzled wrote:

Killamop wrote:

Tabo wrote: Also, i think that i can trump pretty much everything that's been said so far. We have a regular who, from what i've been told, has PTSD or something along those lines. He has shrapnel scars across his body and has a few quirks. In Wisconsin we have open carry laws. You can not conceal carry but if you simply have your pistol holstered and visible you can legally take it with you pretty much anywhere. He was losing to his opponent, who has never won a tourney and looses 3 out of 4 games but keeps on trying bless his heart, when he pulled his 1911 pistol on his opponent and threatened to kill him. He was quickly kicked the hell out and we had a long talking with the person who the gun was pulled on. He said he didn't feel threatened and knew the guy wasn't all there and didn't mean it. The person apologized profusely and came back many months later. Since then he's been fine and we've had no issues. He still carries his gun but if anyone asks him to he puts it in his car. He's a nice guy, he just went through hell in Afghanistan.

Too much dakka.....

Good to see the time honored tradition of dispute management via firearms is being carried from card games to newer pursuits. That'll liven things up.
PLayer A:"Ha, my Dreadknight instakills your demon prince! HAHAHAHHA"
Player B: Puts Sig 290 on table. "What?"
Player A: " I said Ha your demon prince instakilled my Dreadknight. Well played!"

Does this mean that there's a Jack McCall out there waiting for me to turn my back on him while playing a game?

Frazzled wrote:

Killamop wrote:

Tabo wrote: Also, i think that i can trump pretty much everything that's been said so far. We have a regular who, from what i've been told, has PTSD or something along those lines. He has shrapnel scars across his body and has a few quirks. In Wisconsin we have open carry laws. You can not conceal carry but if you simply have your pistol holstered and visible you can legally take it with you pretty much anywhere. He was losing to his opponent, who has never won a tourney and looses 3 out of 4 games but keeps on trying bless his heart, when he pulled his 1911 pistol on his opponent and threatened to kill him. He was quickly kicked the hell out and we had a long talking with the person who the gun was pulled on. He said he didn't feel threatened and knew the guy wasn't all there and didn't mean it. The person apologized profusely and came back many months later. Since then he's been fine and we've had no issues. He still carries his gun but if anyone asks him to he puts it in his car. He's a nice guy, he just went through hell in Afghanistan.

Too much dakka.....

Good to see the time honored tradition of dispute management via firearms is being carried from card games to newer pursuits. That'll liven things up.
PLayer A:"Ha, my Dreadknight instakills your demon prince! HAHAHAHHA"
Player B: Puts Sig 290 on table. "What?"
Player A: " I said Ha your demon prince instakilled my Dreadknight. Well played!"

hahahah both replies made me rofl.

Useless post of the year award.

Makes me think of the Big Lebowski.. "over the line. Mark it zero!"

Except, that was a comedy. A nervous twitch, or whatever, could have ended the other guys life. You're right that that example trumps all others on here, by orders of magnitude!

Frazzled wrote:Why are you afraid of dealing with children? Use your Big Boy voice and maintain the pecking order.

1) One kid knee another in the butt and send him crashing into the painting/hobby table.
***That’s funny. Kick them out by literally throwing them out and toss their minis behind. Remember WWPD? (What would Predator do?)

2) An adult with an obtrusive and obnoxiously loud ring-tone who also made babbling noises while assembling his models. The same loud voiced guy also complained that someone threw their dice at him in a game the day before. Since I've rarely ever seen him in a store where he wasn't either thoughtlessly or deliberately rude to employees, customers or both it's no surprise. Then he actually at one point made disparaging comments about the intelligence of someone else in the store. Amazing.
***That’s funny.. Kick him out by literally throwing them out and toss their minis behind. Remember WWPD? (What would Predator do?)

3) A kid who gets out of his seat dozens of times, sometimes multiple times in just a few minutes who bumps you every time he gets up and sits down. Even after moving my chair an additional foot away the problem persisted and I also had to ask him to stop kicking me, twice! Needless to say, it's fairly difficult to paint under such circumstances. Of course the parent just dropped him off and left him there with no supervision. Ugh.
***Lean in very quietly. Tell him you have a teenage son who needs gas money really bad, and if Dad’s little oopsy gets near you one more time you’re going to give the teenager $50 to beat him like a redheaded stepchild.

4) Two, yes two different adult customers who talked continuously for several hours while in the store on two different days. Neither of these guys ever stopped talking for more than a few seconds in the space of 2 to 3 hours. Neither of these guys brought any models to work on or game with, they just talked incessantly for hours. Many people in the store, including the manager in one case were ready to pull their own heads off after a while just to end the pain.
***Loudly tell the to shut their mouth holes already. What are they women that have to fill every quiet moment with their vomitous filth?

5) A kid repeatedly cursing at and in front of other kids during a multi-player game.
***That’s funny.. Kick him out by literally throwing them out and toss their minis behind. Remember WWPD? (What would Predator do?)

Lol. Internet Tough Guy on display.

These things are quite rare luckily. The young kids are annoying but if they are willing to behave.

The worst that I have seen a kid behave is when he got mad and knocked some guys models of the board. and he was then rather mean to me for having a boyfriend. Damn kids

In general though people at stores are decent people, just try and ignore the troublemakers and never game against them.

Wow, it sounds like you all live in god forsaken hell pits where deamons prance around in fleshy suits of children's skin.

I think the problem with kids can be attributed to one thing (disclaimer: I understand a lot of kids behave perfectly well, and better in some cases than adults) which has come up in recent years: Giant, gallon sized cans of monster energy drink or the like being taken into store.

Speaking as an adult with a body anaesthetized to the various debaucheries of the modern western world, even I could feel my eyelids peeling back and a hightened sense of being on edge after drinking some of that stuff. So the effect it must have on a child, to whom cabbage still tastes disgusting, and a single pack of M&Ms can provide energy for 6 hours, I can't imagine. What I do know, is that a broom is the most obvious tool to use to try and prise them free of the ceiling or the wall.

I was trying to help run a demo game of Space Hulk when the re-release came out, a couple of kids were drinking one of said giant cans of Monster. Hands shaking, twitching eyes, one of the kids could barely hold still long enough to move one of the miniatures. I think if I ran my own store, I wouldn't let anyone with energy drinks in through the door, and would most likely run some kinds of drugs test for those who had 'guanine caffeine eyes'

I'd just go for the "no one that acts like they are under the age of 18 allowed to hang out with out a parent".

That gets the kids AND the manchildren that think they're John Wayne. (What Would Predator Do? He'd go to jail tough guy, now get out.)

BrassScorpion wrote:4) Two, yes two different adult customers who talked continuously for several hours while in the store on two different days. Neither of these guys ever stopped talking for more than a few seconds in the space of 2 to 3 hours. Neither of these guys brought any models to work on or game with, they just talked incessantly for hours. Many people in the store, including the manager in one case were ready to pull their own heads off after a while just to end the pain.

how is that even possible? i run out of junk to talk about after 15-30 minutes...lol...

Worglock wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Why are you afraid of dealing with children? Use your Big Boy voice and maintain the pecking order.

1) One kid knee another in the butt and send him crashing into the painting/hobby table.
***That’s funny. Kick them out by literally throwing them out and toss their minis behind. Remember WWPD? (What would Predator do?)

2) An adult with an obtrusive and obnoxiously loud ring-tone who also made babbling noises while assembling his models. The same loud voiced guy also complained that someone threw their dice at him in a game the day before. Since I've rarely ever seen him in a store where he wasn't either thoughtlessly or deliberately rude to employees, customers or both it's no surprise. Then he actually at one point made disparaging comments about the intelligence of someone else in the store. Amazing.
***That’s funny.. Kick him out by literally throwing them out and toss their minis behind. Remember WWPD? (What would Predator do?)

3) A kid who gets out of his seat dozens of times, sometimes multiple times in just a few minutes who bumps you every time he gets up and sits down. Even after moving my chair an additional foot away the problem persisted and I also had to ask him to stop kicking me, twice! Needless to say, it's fairly difficult to paint under such circumstances. Of course the parent just dropped him off and left him there with no supervision. Ugh.
***Lean in very quietly. Tell him you have a teenage son who needs gas money really bad, and if Dad’s little oopsy gets near you one more time you’re going to give the teenager $50 to beat him like a redheaded stepchild.

4) Two, yes two different adult customers who talked continuously for several hours while in the store on two different days. Neither of these guys ever stopped talking for more than a few seconds in the space of 2 to 3 hours. Neither of these guys brought any models to work on or game with, they just talked incessantly for hours. Many people in the store, including the manager in one case were ready to pull their own heads off after a while just to end the pain.
***Loudly tell the to shut their mouth holes already. What are they women that have to fill every quiet moment with their vomitous filth?

5) A kid repeatedly cursing at and in front of other kids during a multi-player game.
***That’s funny.. Kick him out by literally throwing them out and toss their minis behind. Remember WWPD? (What would Predator do?)

Lol. Tired cranky Dad on display.

Corrected your typo youngling.


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Worglock wrote:I'd just go for the "no one that acts like they are under the age of 18 allowed to hang out with out a parent".

That gets the kids AND the manchildren that think they're John Wayne. (What Would Predator Do? He'd go to jail tough guy, now get out.)

Incorrect. Predator would eat a cheeseburger. Remember, Predator likes beef.

Frazzled wrote:Incorrect. Predator would eat a cheeseburger. Remember, Predator likes beef.

I challenge your assumption that Predator prefers cooked meat. I posit that, like Gollum, Predator likes it "raw and wriggling".

Eilif wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Incorrect. Predator would eat a cheeseburger. Remember, Predator likes beef.

I challenge your assumption that Predator prefers cooked meat. I posit that, like Gollum, Predator likes it "raw and wriggling".

Oh I didn't say it had to be cooked. But everything tastes better with cheese and BACON. mmmm....

Frazzled wrote:

Worglock wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Why are you afraid of dealing with children? Use your Big Boy voice and maintain the pecking order.

1) One kid knee another in the butt and send him crashing into the painting/hobby table.
***That’s funny. Kick them out by literally throwing them out and toss their minis behind. Remember WWPD? (What would Predator do?)

2) An adult with an obtrusive and obnoxiously loud ring-tone who also made babbling noises while assembling his models. The same loud voiced guy also complained that someone threw their dice at him in a game the day before. Since I've rarely ever seen him in a store where he wasn't either thoughtlessly or deliberately rude to employees, customers or both it's no surprise. Then he actually at one point made disparaging comments about the intelligence of someone else in the store. Amazing.
***That’s funny.. Kick him out by literally throwing them out and toss their minis behind. Remember WWPD? (What would Predator do?)

3) A kid who gets out of his seat dozens of times, sometimes multiple times in just a few minutes who bumps you every time he gets up and sits down. Even after moving my chair an additional foot away the problem persisted and I also had to ask him to stop kicking me, twice! Needless to say, it's fairly difficult to paint under such circumstances. Of course the parent just dropped him off and left him there with no supervision. Ugh.
***Lean in very quietly. Tell him you have a teenage son who needs gas money really bad, and if Dad’s little oopsy gets near you one more time you’re going to give the teenager $50 to beat him like a redheaded stepchild.

4) Two, yes two different adult customers who talked continuously for several hours while in the store on two different days. Neither of these guys ever stopped talking for more than a few seconds in the space of 2 to 3 hours. Neither of these guys brought any models to work on or game with, they just talked incessantly for hours. Many people in the store, including the manager in one case were ready to pull their own heads off after a while just to end the pain.
***Loudly tell the to shut their mouth holes already. What are they women that have to fill every quiet moment with their vomitous filth?

5) A kid repeatedly cursing at and in front of other kids during a multi-player game.
***That’s funny.. Kick him out by literally throwing them out and toss their minis behind. Remember WWPD? (What would Predator do?)

Lol. Tired cranky Dad on display.

Corrected your typo youngling.


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Worglock wrote:I'd just go for the "no one that acts like they are under the age of 18 allowed to hang out with out a parent".

That gets the kids AND the manchildren that think they're John Wayne. (What Would Predator Do? He'd go to jail tough guy, now get out.)

Incorrect. Predator would eat a cheeseburger. Remember, Predator likes beef.

I was going to say you appear to have either worked in childcare or the security industry....

ArbeitsSchu wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

Worglock wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Why are you afraid of dealing with children? Use your Big Boy voice and maintain the pecking order.

1) One kid knee another in the butt and send him crashing into the painting/hobby table.
***That’s funny. Kick them out by literally throwing them out and toss their minis behind. Remember WWPD? (What would Predator do?)

2) An adult with an obtrusive and obnoxiously loud ring-tone who also made babbling noises while assembling his models. The same loud voiced guy also complained that someone threw their dice at him in a game the day before. Since I've rarely ever seen him in a store where he wasn't either thoughtlessly or deliberately rude to employees, customers or both it's no surprise. Then he actually at one point made disparaging comments about the intelligence of someone else in the store. Amazing.
***That’s funny.. Kick him out by literally throwing them out and toss their minis behind. Remember WWPD? (What would Predator do?)

3) A kid who gets out of his seat dozens of times, sometimes multiple times in just a few minutes who bumps you every time he gets up and sits down. Even after moving my chair an additional foot away the problem persisted and I also had to ask him to stop kicking me, twice! Needless to say, it's fairly difficult to paint under such circumstances. Of course the parent just dropped him off and left him there with no supervision. Ugh.
***Lean in very quietly. Tell him you have a teenage son who needs gas money really bad, and if Dad’s little oopsy gets near you one more time you’re going to give the teenager $50 to beat him like a redheaded stepchild.

4) Two, yes two different adult customers who talked continuously for several hours while in the store on two different days. Neither of these guys ever stopped talking for more than a few seconds in the space of 2 to 3 hours. Neither of these guys brought any models to work on or game with, they just talked incessantly for hours. Many people in the store, including the manager in one case were ready to pull their own heads off after a while just to end the pain.
***Loudly tell the to shut their mouth holes already. What are they women that have to fill every quiet moment with their vomitous filth?

5) A kid repeatedly cursing at and in front of other kids during a multi-player game.
***That’s funny.. Kick him out by literally throwing them out and toss their minis behind. Remember WWPD? (What would Predator do?)

Lol. Tired cranky Dad on display.

Corrected your typo youngling.


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Worglock wrote:I'd just go for the "no one that acts like they are under the age of 18 allowed to hang out with out a parent".

That gets the kids AND the manchildren that think they're John Wayne. (What Would Predator Do? He'd go to jail tough guy, now get out.)

Incorrect. Predator would eat a cheeseburger. Remember, Predator likes beef.

I was going to say you appear to have either worked in childcare or the security industry....

As a Dad I would say: both.

It's difficult for a store owner to kick out potential customers. In our hobby, it appears that the kiddos are the one's that spend the money, which is where the bread and butter of the store comes from. Whether it's pokemon, Yu-gi-oh, Magic, etc... whatever makes that cash register ring is what the owner will cater to.

At the same time, it's also difficult to run a business and on top of that be a police-man monitoring everyone's behavior. Add to that up-selling, customer service, chatting to the customer and building rapport and a solid customer base, etc. that is required to make it in this niche-business.

I can't side with those who say "Ban the kids, they suck!" neither can I side with the "Game Store Monastery where the owner stares at you as if you're going to shoplift" due to no kids.

We are geeks (and I definitely include myself in that). Social skills are tough so we tend to clique together. The only thing I can say with definite emphasis... Shower and use deodorant regularly and in that order! The rest: rudeness, obnoxious behavior, flagrant geekery, etc. we can work on.

The obvious point in the OP was that this is a GW store.

They are used, certainly where I come from, as daycare, both for children (often far too young to be playing the game) and the mentally infirm.

I've found using a FLGS, whenever possible, usually alleviates this.


Mind you, there are some stinkers in that classification as well, but at least they don't all follow a trend, whereas every GW I've visited has.

Frazzled wrote:

Eilif wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Incorrect. Predator would eat a cheeseburger. Remember, Predator likes beef.

I challenge your assumption that Predator prefers cooked meat. I posit that, like Gollum, Predator likes it "raw and wriggling".

Oh I didn't say it had to be cooked. But everything tastes better with cheese and BACON. mmmm....

Touche'. Even predator couldn't resist a burger tartar with cheese and bacon.

Truth be told, I'm not sure I could resist such a conction.

crimsonmicc wrote:Wow, it sounds like you all live in god forsaken hell pits where deamons prance around in fleshy suits of children's skin.

yes, comparatively awesome compared to a GW store during after-school/school holidays hours...

Worglock wrote:

Lol. Internet Tough Guy on display.

You're new around here, aren't you?

Col_Torsin wrote:
Example: a 12 year old stealing and running of with my Gaunts ghosts squad, and my cheesebuger...

Damn, that sucks! I hope it didn't have bacon on it!

Pacific wrote:I think the problem with kids can be attributed to one thing (disclaimer: I understand a lot of kids behave perfectly well, and better in some cases than adults) which has come up in recent years: Giant, gallon sized cans of monster energy drink or the like being taken into store.

Speaking as an adult with a body anaesthetized to the various debaucheries of the modern western world, even I could feel my eyelids peeling back and a hightened sense of being on edge after drinking some of that stuff. So the effect it must have on a child, to whom cabbage still tastes disgusting, and a single pack of M&Ms can provide energy for 6 hours, I can't imagine. What I do know, is that a broom is the most obvious tool to use to try and prise them free of the ceiling or the wall.

I was trying to help run a demo game of Space Hulk when the re-release came out, a couple of kids were drinking one of said giant cans of Monster. Hands shaking, twitching eyes, one of the kids could barely hold still long enough to move one of the miniatures. I think if I ran my own store, I wouldn't let anyone with energy drinks in through the door, and would most likely run some kinds of drugs test for those who had 'guanine caffeine eyes'

I hope they never drink a Redline

To the OP: Dang, sounds like your metro sucks. I am the youngest guy who plays Warhammer Fantasy at my FLGS (I'm old enough to drive). Everyone else is at least in their 30's, and we have a lot of 50-60 year olds. They are just really great guys that have been playing for years. Guess I'm lucky.
Shoot, even the local Wh40k crowd (which seems to consist mostly of 8-12 years olds WAAAGHING! everywhere else) is fairly well behaved.

This reminds me of an interesting statistic I made up: 50% of gamers are incredibly awesome, nice people, 30% are completley WAAC, and 20% are kids. Sadly, the WAAC 'eads and kids are so loud and rude that they seem to make up about 90% of all gamers.

_Tim?

(Now, our Magic: The Gathering crowd is just plain loud. Nice people, but really, really loud)

Ketara wrote:

Worglock wrote:

Lol. Internet Tough Guy on display.

You're new around here, aren't you?

Well he's never met me in person. I'm just a cute lovable teddy bear. Really.

Frazzled wrote:

Ketara wrote:

Worglock wrote:

Lol. Internet Tough Guy on display.

You're new around here, aren't you?

Well he's never met me in person. I'm just a cute lovable teddy bear. Really.

well. That's cute. I guess. In that "this is why Warhammer players have such a rep for being mal-adjusted anti-social misfits" kind of way.

Poster above can be slotted into "mal-adjusted anti-social misfit" category quite easily

Auxellion wrote:Poster above can be slotted into "mal-adjusted anti-social misfit" category quite easily

But I'll wager his kids are well-behaved.

Frazzled wrote:Why are you afraid of dealing with children? Use your Big Boy voice and maintain the pecking order.

1) One kid knee another in the butt and send him crashing into the painting/hobby table.
***That’s funny. Kick them out by literally throwing them out and toss their minis behind. Remember WWPD? (What would Predator do?)

2) An adult with an obtrusive and obnoxiously loud ring-tone who also made babbling noises while assembling his models. The same loud voiced guy also complained that someone threw their dice at him in a game the day before. Since I've rarely ever seen him in a store where he wasn't either thoughtlessly or deliberately rude to employees, customers or both it's no surprise. Then he actually at one point made disparaging comments about the intelligence of someone else in the store. Amazing.
***That’s funny.. Kick him out by literally throwing them out and toss their minis behind. Remember WWPD? (What would Predator do?)

3) A kid who gets out of his seat dozens of times, sometimes multiple times in just a few minutes who bumps you every time he gets up and sits down. Even after moving my chair an additional foot away the problem persisted and I also had to ask him to stop kicking me, twice! Needless to say, it's fairly difficult to paint under such circumstances. Of course the parent just dropped him off and left him there with no supervision. Ugh.
***Lean in very quietly. Tell him you have a teenage son who needs gas money really bad, and if Dad’s little oopsy gets near you one more time you’re going to give the teenager $50 to beat him like a redheaded stepchild.

4) Two, yes two different adult customers who talked continuously for several hours while in the store on two different days. Neither of these guys ever stopped talking for more than a few seconds in the space of 2 to 3 hours. Neither of these guys brought any models to work on or game with, they just talked incessantly for hours. Many people in the store, including the manager in one case were ready to pull their own heads off after a while just to end the pain.
***Loudly tell the to shut their mouth holes already. What are they women that have to fill every quiet moment with their vomitous filth?

5) A kid repeatedly cursing at and in front of other kids during a multi-player game.
***That’s funny.. Kick him out by literally throwing them out and toss their minis behind. Remember WWPD? (What would Predator do?)

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sir you are AWESOME,i often wonder why people gripe about things after the fact.if people are being pricks damn well tell em.at my flgs ive never seen any thing thats been described in this thread as the lads in the store both staff and customers wouldn't take that kind of gak.people know right from wrong and you don't have to put up with clowns around you.
thank you.