I heard a rumor that the new 40k Starter set will feature Chaos and Witch Hunters.
Any confirmation on this?
Thoughts on this?
I personally think that would be awesome, my grandma decided to start playing 40k as Witch Hunters and I play Chaos

I think the current rumor is demons vs. black templars.

Make sure to put a question mark if it's a question, else excited 40k rumor mongers like myself will enter the thread thinking you have a new tidbit to share.

The most we've heard regarding starter sets is that it "Won't be Ultramarines and won't include a Xenos". My guess was it was Sisters/Chaos then---and I still think there's a good chance for that.

As an aside however, you have a Grandma that plays 40k? That's a first for me...

Question Mark added.

That was an actual rumor I heard not a question. The following things WERE questions. Yes my grandma decided to play 40k as of today with Witch Hunters I'm very excited.


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That question mark does not belong. This wasn't a question this was input from a rumor I heard. I don't know how valid the source is but this is a real rumor -.-

So where did you hear this rumor? The rumor we've been going off of was "not Xenos or Ultramarines" which doesn't exactly translate into Sisters and Daemons.

Sigh...

As much as many hope and dream for the day that GW gives any attention to the Sisters the facts speak for themselves.

It'll be Marines vs Non-Imperium.
It has always been Marines.
It'll always be Marines.

The rumors that it would be Sisters or Witch Hunters came about from a rumour that said it would not be Ultramarines.
It appears that many don't realise there are more colours then Blue on the Visible (Marine) Colour Spectrum.

As for Daemons, that came from the notion that you won't have Imperium fight themselves in the box (Although a Marines slaughter the Sisters set wouldn't suprise anyone in the least), you won't have Xenos (as per the original rumour) and Chaos Marines vs Marines would lead to a very boring box.

Considering that we've had a rumor on the book for awhile that it will be a Non-Chaos Marine and Non-Xenos force versus a Non-Guard or Non-Codex Space Marine force, this rumor isn't entirely hard to believe.

My money was on Sisters and Daemons but eh. I guess this one works too.

Kettu wrote:The rumors that it would be Sisters or Witch Hunters came about from a rumour that said it would not be Ultramarines.
It appears that many don't realise there are more colours then Blue on the Visible (Marine) Colour Spectrum.

No, it comes from the fact that Black Space Marines are the same thing as Blue Space Marines before you paint them, and that Black Space Marines are not a "potentially earth-shattering" change from the status quo.

Kanluwen wrote:...Non-Codex Space Marine...

'Will not be Warriors of Ultramar' I believe the exact wording was.
Turns out you have four other codices and 999 other chapters to choose from

AlexHolker wrote:...Black Space Marines are not a "potentially earth-shattering" change from the status quo.

Blood Angels circa 2nd ed, Black Templar circa 3rd ed. Blue has only been in vogue for two editions so far.

I heard this rumor from a 40K player that lives in NY

My Sister's boyfriend knows a guy who is a janitor at at mall that has a GW store and he said that it was definitely Squats vs. Jokaero.

Feel free to add any punctuation necessary...

Considering Marines are the poster child of 40k, I would be quite surprised to see them NOT include a marines.

However if they time the new boxed set in release of a new codex, that would be quite the clever upsell to the army, especially to one of the lesser armies such as Sisters. Lesser = fewer players.

Kettu wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:...Non-Codex Space Marine...

'Will not be Warriors of Ultramar' I believe the exact wording was.
Turns out you have four other codices and 999 other chapters to choose from

Actually, the wording was "Non-Codex Astartes".
Which pretty much would mean Space Wolves or Black Templars.

Which were promptly shot down afterwards.

I already said that the source was of unknown reliability. And the jab at my annoyance of the added punctuality was a low blow.

http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2011/03/11/grey-knight-codex-limited-time-only/
Found it.

Ok the ”Bombshell” I really need to use better wording…

”By the end of the next Olympics we will be treated to 6th ed Warhammer 40k”
Now thaGrey Knight Codex Q&A Limited Time onlyt is something that people that follow GW trends have suspected for awhile. So really that is not that earth shattering. What makes 6thed potentially earth shattering is the version of AoBR we will get. For the first time in a long time neither Xenos nor the Warriors of Roboute Guilliman will be featured. Nor will the Sledgehammer of the Emperor be chosen to fill the starter box.

What that means for all of us… we shall have to wait and see.

And I got the quote wrong; Warriors of Robert, not Ultramar.

None the less, that still only describes one of over a 1000 artificial colours and flavours.

And frankly, the fact that they said "the first time in a long time" and "the Warriors of Roboute Guilliman will not be featured" damages their credibility.

Battle for Macragge was not "a long time ago".

Battle for Macragge had "the warriors of Roboute Gulliman"

I dont believe this rumor at all. 40k starter set without power armor marines??? no waiiiiiiii

Will take bets ( 1 brand new starter set ) for any takers.

None the less, that is the rumour in entirety.
And it is also the only time I have heard it from any source.

And I don't think that Bloof of Kittens has a track record anywhere near reliable.

And as i said, many forget that Blue is not the only colour.

What are your guesses then?

ProphetOfChaosAscendant wrote:What are your guesses then?

Dont know , but i dont tihnk guess are good enough to count as rumours , or else this section would be flooded with just
wishlisting -_-

BUT if guessing for fun? its Space Marines vs Eldar

Thats right , next summer , its ^ The return of Eldar , Eldrad's last stand and glory.

With all new plastics coming out it may well be the new plastic sisters of battle vs deamons

baron deathnyx wrote:With all new plastics coming out it may well be the new plastic sisters of battle vs deamons

I meant , im not saying or doubting GW doesnt have the technology to make nice plastic sisters as starterset no.

Im saying Marines in power armor are GW 's flagship product. Not making them for duration of 4 years of a new edition is

....
suicide.

No way it will be Daemons. Too many parental issues.

Luna, you may be on to something...

I'll ask my janitorial connection.

If it is in fact Black Templars what are your guys predictions on the return of Black Templar box sets? It's rediculous to pay near 40 dollars for a box of marines, then have to pay 30 more just to make some of them Black Templars....

You may be right slave about parental issues with deamons it might be dark angels vs chaos to bring back the fallen.

You paint them black?
It costs you $30 to paint them black?

I... Really have to know where you buy your paints. For that kind of money that had better be good.

@Lunahound;
Not suicide and a rather sound decision really.
Marine sell so well so rather then continuing to flog something that sells well, you focus on the lesser selling factions. Even if just for a short time. (And you just know there will be a few Marine codices in the meantime.)

That though is the problem. GW don't operate on a long turn plan but rather one that barely will see past June 30th each year.
They won't potentially sacrifice profits for a year to see an overall improvment. They'll stick to tried and true money spiners till the detrimental end.

Hence why Sisters, Necrons and untill recently, Dark Eldar, are languishing by the way side for a decade with hope only now in sight.

baron deathnyx wrote:You may be right slave about parental issues with deamons ...

Yeah, we didn't even call them "Demons" when I worked at the GW store here (pre shutdown/flood). Of course this IS the buckle of the Bible Belt.

Thanks for the remarks. No, 30 dollars for the upgrade sprue, as in the box of Black Templar specific bits that used to be available in a Black Templar box set of marines, but now have been pieced out. All of this while Space Wolfs, Blood Angels, and Dark Angels all have their own chapter specific box sets.

Eldar does make some sense. After all, they're in need of an update anyways, so why not?

As much as I would like to see the sisters playing a part, it makes a certain amount of business sense to keep blue in style. It cements the present image of 40k in visual presentation to the public at least, sort of a reinforcement of the product in people's heads. My money is on ultras in the box.

Phil Kelly told me personally that they redid the dark eldar only to keep people interested in buying there products. No new mini's ment no more sales increase remember GW is all about making money and when the assault from black reach came out it wasn't priced at what it is today price increase aswell.

Yeah, I'm going with Eldar and codex marines of some color.

Put me down and give me my marker.

SlaveToDorkness wrote:Yeah, I'm going with Eldar and codex marines of some color.

Put me down and give me my marker.

Black Templar VS Ulthe Eldar,

incomming grimdark 40k armies painted in grimdark color schemes :3

i think a sob vs necron would be nice but unrealistic. it would suit the rumored codex release for both armies though

If they said no xenos there wouldn't be Eldar in it either. Sisters and Chaos Marines, non-Ultramarines and Daemons, etc. There's a few possibilities.

The only reason I would not be surprised to see Sisters is that the current metals are practically snap together plastics. If they used the same style they did for the AoBR marines (bolters/wrists one peice, body another, back pack a third) they could make every single Sister on foot they currently have, and probably all the Seraphim that I can think of, with hardly a resculpt. Then if they rerelease Sisters they can sort of pretend they have plastic troops for them, and make other things, sort of like they did with Deff Copta's.

Now, bear in mind that EVERY other shred of reason in my mind tells me they won't have Sisters instead of marines in the starter set. Plus, my fanboy Sisters martyrdom complex tells me I will never, ever get a new codex. So there's that.

Brother SRM wrote:If they said no xenos there wouldn't be Eldar in it either. Sisters and Chaos Marines, non-Ultramarines and Daemons, etc. There's a few possibilities.

"Everything you've been told is a LIE!"

I like how it is but wish they would change it as i met a guy the other day an he was just starting so i asked him what he was painting and he said space maries and then i asked him what coulour scheme and he replied i paint the space marine one .
They are focusing to much on ultra marines and i paint the Death Scepters and nearly no ones heard of them and yet they are in the codex

SlaveToDorkness wrote:

Dont you think he looks like this?

Why not Dark Angels (the non-cxodex chapter in most need of an update) and the first of 4 Chaos sub-dexes...each Chaos God getting its own Dex and Units.

LunaHound wrote:

SlaveToDorkness wrote:

Dont you think he looks like this?

That may be why I wouldn't either of them.

LunaHound wrote:
Dont you think he looks like this?

No, because Jon Stewart is identifiably human, and not some horrible horse-woman hybrid like Sarah Jessica Parker.

Kettu wrote:And as i said, many forget that Blue is not the only colour.

Oh, I know there are other colours, I just don't think it makes any relevant difference. Anyone who would use the phrase "potentially earth-shattering" to refer to the contents of the next starter box is either not referring to Black Templars or is an idiot because, as you acknowledge, Space Marines of a different colour has been done before.

dkellyj wrote:chapter in most need of an update

Does not compute. Also does not fit with our only rumour source to date. Unless GW brings back rules for the Adeptus Mechanicus or Lost and the Damned, there are only four armies that actually fit the information available to us: Grey Knights, Sisters of Battle, Chaos Space Marines and Daemons.

Mark my words, 12:43AM CST, US time...

Next box set will be Ultramarines vs Ultramarines.

Remember to come back to this thread when 6E comes out to congratulate me on my Nostradamus-like precognition.

ProphetOfChaosAscendant wrote:I heard a rumor that the new 40k Starter set will feature Chaos and Witch Hunters.

I havent heard anything, but Witch Hunters just dont seem like a choice for the starter set. If I had to speculate on the next army's featured in the starter it would be Blood Angels (or some type of marine) and Dark Eldar.

Kettu wrote:http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2011/03/11/grey-knight-codex-limited-time-only/
Found it.

Ok the ”Bombshell” I really need to use better wording…

”By the end of the next Olympics we will be treated to 6th ed Warhammer 40k”
Now thaGrey Knight Codex Q&A Limited Time onlyt is something that people that follow GW trends have suspected for awhile. So really that is not that earth shattering. What makes 6thed potentially earth shattering is the version of AoBR we will get. For the first time in a long time neither Xenos nor the Warriors of Roboute Guilliman will be featured. Nor will the Sledgehammer of the Emperor be chosen to fill the starter box.

What that means for all of us… we shall have to wait and see.

And I got the quote wrong; Warriors of Robert, not Ultramar.

None the less, that still only describes one of over a 1000 artificial colours and flavours.

Dare I hope this means they might finally do an Adeptus Mechanicus official army? They meet all the requirements... Not Ultramarines (or any successor of them), not Imperial Guard, not Xenos... and with the fluff from the Necrons, there could be some really interesting infighting/special characters.... followers of the Dragon of Mars anyone?

*hopes and dreams, but does not think it likely*

ProphetOfChaosAscendant wrote:That was a made up rumor I'm trying to start not a question.

FTFY

I reckon it will be space wolves an necrons. Necrons get new stuff next year which coincides with the qoute "by the end of the next olympics". SW vs Necrons would be very interesting

Ultimately, if the rumour is true (no ultramarines, no IG and no xenos) you have the following options:

Imperium:
Grey Knights
Sisters
any one of 999 marine chapters (bear in mind it does not even have to be a variant codex, they could stick Salamanders, Imperial Fists, Whitescars, etc and it would still fit...)

Non-Imperium:
CSM
Daemons

Wild Card:
Something old (Lost and the Damned)
Something new (Adeptus Mechanicus)
Something borrowed (CSM legion as preview of forthcoming much-discussed legion codices)
Something blue... oh, wait, there's no smurfs



My vote for the Imperium is Dark Angels - they are iconic, fairly easy to paint (ergo good for a starter) and play basically as green smurfs unless you go for deathwing/ravenwing. Also, the 'hunt the fallen' thing will make for good scenarios for the starter box. It will allow GW to redo the DA 'dex or absorb them into the SM 'dex (which will then be the first release(s))

As for their enemies, I'm going out on a limb here and will say you will get a mix of CSM, Daemons and traitor guard as either a new LatD or A preview of the first legion 'dex. In either case they'll be Khorne-flavoured - CC oriented versus the shooty DA, red versus green (strong box-art) and with less special rules than the other powers generally require.


Having said all that, nothing would surprise me if these rumours turned out to be bunkum and we get another smurfs (TM) vs alien scum (TM) cop-out...

actually knowing GW its probally imperial fists vrs black templars. that way they can spam space marines, and sell MOAR MEHRINES!!!! plus they will probally include tons of ultra smurff pics in the rules and whatnot. but the cover will feature fists and templars.

yup.

not "ultra marines" and not "xenos"

yuuuuuuppppp

Unless they are introducing something like chaos guard or cultists then the options presented here only give demons as an adversary.
That would then make the Grey Knights marines a good fit as an opposing army. The thing with starter set marines is to let them be generic looking enough for any marine player to want to add them to their collection while making them unique enough for those marine players to want to get them. So Grey Knight looking marines maybe without the chapter icons on them.
AOBR marines were the BFM marines with extra bits and enlarged to fit in with the regular sets; would they do something similar again but with different details?

The Sisters of Battle aren't popular and will never be, even with an update. I think that the new boxed set will be Chaos Space Marines vs. Grey Knights. It won't be deamons, as you can see them as xenos. And deamins arent that parental good things. It could be another Space Marine army, but with the recent Grey Knight update, this sound very logically.

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What I would prefer is deamons vs inquisitor with retinue and some grey knightterminators :3. But the biggest change is Grey Knights vs some Chaos thing. Trust me.

thenoobbomb wrote:The Sisters of Battle aren't popular and will never be, even with an update.

lolwut? Quite a bold statement there.

Sidstyler wrote:

thenoobbomb wrote:The Sisters of Battle aren't popular and will never be, even with an update.

lolwut? Quite a bold statement there.

Yea just look at the new DE, noone is picking those up. /sarcasm

Could say the same about Grey Knights, too, and they just got an update.

Here an earlier thread on the topic, supposing Black Templar vs. Daemons:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/352734.page

Caminoman wrote:Thanks for the remarks. No, 30 dollars for the upgrade sprue, as in the box of Black Templar specific bits that used to be available in a Black Templar box set of marines, but now have been pieced out. All of this while Space Wolfs, Blood Angels, and Dark Angels all have their own chapter specific box sets.

But, and this goes for BA, DA and SW as well, you can assemble the units with just a vanilla squad box as the unit is still armed the same as the next.
Back when the BT first came out I had 500 pts of them for small games and I used only the vanilla boxes. Never had any problems.

Squats vs slaan ?
Grey knights vs sisters of battle ?
Blood angels having a pic nic with necrons ?
One faction of the adeptus administration against a other faction of the adeptus administration in the long forgotten war of the paperclip ?

If I had a wish list it would be ether tannith vs bloodpact or .......pre heresy imperial fists vs traitors ..... never gona happen lol

It may not be marines... they've done marines twice, they've updated the marine sprue from the initial multipart models (with the new command sprue and all that)

If they did plastic SoB it would have to be followed by multi-part kits.. I dont think GW are prepared to push that unless they're trying to get wimmenz involved instead of 12 year olds. 'Hello mrs Timmys mum - well he can have the chaos SPHESS MHARINES and you can have nuns with guns'

Think of it this way...SM are the poster army for GW...they draw in the new players. Making the "good guys" sisters, DH, WH, etc it would really be more a nod to existing customers...and we all know GW isnt worried about existing customers, the want new blood.

Very likely it will be non-ultramarines vs chaos of some sort.

Id go with BT vs CSM as a high odds bet. Could just be a generic SM vs CSM set too...

ProphetOfChaosAscendant wrote:I heard a rumor that the new 40k Starter set will feature Chaos and Witch Hunters.
Any confirmation on this?
Thoughts on this?
I personally think that would be awesome, my grandma decided to start playing 40k as Witch Hunters and I play Chaos

Grandma playing 40k? How awesome is this?
About the starter set, its not a wishlist.
SM will certainly be part of it and whatever traitor/xenos army you can think of.

Kettu wrote:
Turns out you have four other codices and 999 other chapters to choose from

Five other.

Black, grey, green, red and shiny.

I'm hoping for Black Space Marines vs Green Space Marines so we can really appreciate the diversity found amongst marines.

Kettu wrote:http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2011/03/11/grey-knight-codex-limited-time-only/
Found it.

Ok the ”Bombshell” I really need to use better wording…

”By the end of the next Olympics we will be treated to 6th ed Warhammer 40k”
Now thaGrey Knight Codex Q&A Limited Time onlyt is something that people that follow GW trends have suspected for awhile. So really that is not that earth shattering. What makes 6thed potentially earth shattering is the version of AoBR we will get. For the first time in a long time neither Xenos nor the Warriors of Roboute Guilliman will be featured. Nor will the Sledgehammer of the Emperor be chosen to fill the starter box.

What that means for all of us… we shall have to wait and see.

And I got the quote wrong; Warriors of Robert, not Ultramar.

None the less, that still only describes one of over a 1000 artificial colours and flavours.

Why doesn't anyone propose the most obvious: IG vs CSM.

Any way, I believe the rumour is wrong. I don't think we will get 6th edition next year, and I believe it will feature a Xenos race, most likely Tyranids...or when I think about it, maybe Necrons. They are pushing them as major bad guy race, but they aren't common enough. Putting them to starter set would go long way.

ProphetOfChaosAscendant wrote:my grandma decided to start playing 40k

one word.... EPIC! XD

:edit:

has anyone considered it could actually be necrons and eldar? there both in need of update, necrons more urgently so

Mad4Minis wrote:Think of it this way...SM are the poster army for GW...they draw in the new players.

Duh. That's what happens when GW dotes upon one army and leaves everyone else to rot for years at a time. They've got as many plastic kits as the Sisters, Necrons, Tau, Eldar, Dark Eldar and Tyranids put together.

Backfire wrote:Why doesn't anyone propose the most obvious: IG vs CSM.

Because they're the Sledgehammer of the Emperor, which the rumour says is not part of the starter box.

Heh.... adeptus mechanicus vs. chaos space marines with dark mechanicus units included (defiler, obliterators or the like).... that would be beyond awesome. Give the Adeptus Mechanicus some kind of stalker tank, and the CSM a defiler. Imagine all the drooling

Or Adeptus Mechanicus vs. necron.... war for the Dragon of Mars...


Bet you can't guess what I play.

CSM vs Mechanicus is the best fit for the no-SM/IG/Xenos rumour but it would be way too smart a move for GW.

Ad-Mech is not a smart move.
To add them then you need to make a new army book, a full range of minis and continuing support.

GW can't even get one of those steps right for two whole armies at current.

Actually Ad-Mech would be an easy thing for them to add.

For the codex, the fluff is already there so it is easy to add in. As to squads, many of the tanks/transports/etc... are already in the game, so this acts as a way to increase sales of existing models (not to mention tech priest, enginseers, sevitors, inquistor models that would make good leaders etc...)

All they would really need to add are plastic robed skitarrii, plastic servitors (which they seem to be going towards anyway), and possibly some special vehicles/mod sprues for the skitarrii to make them stronger for elites. (Vehicles like stalker tanks are easy they already produce all the parts needed on the defiler and tank sprues, so it is just boxing those... Add in something like a knight engine and possibly a termite transport and you are good on vehicles)

Overall it would be a win/win for them... They sell their more expensive vehicle kits, only have to create a few new plastic kits... and get great press. Not to mention you get attract player bases that are heavy into the scifi/borg/cyber themes.

Another advantage is you have a great in to start getting the new players drooling over titans, since the adeptus titanicus is part of the Mechanicum. Add some titan art work and show a couple forgeworld titans in the painted sections and you have a way to increase interest in the larger game among the people just starting out.

We almost all love the idea of Mechanicus, but they need to update every other army for 5th ed before adding in a new one. Saying "It's a great idea" is just saying "I want these toys." I would likely buy some Mechanicus stuff, and I'm pretty sure they'd sell well among the more hardcore players. That doesn't change the fact that they'd need to write a codex and release a full range of miniatures, which is a big undertaking.

Brother SRM wrote:We almost all love the idea of Mechanicus, but they need to update every other army for 5th ed before adding in a new one. Saying "It's a great idea" is just saying "I want these toys." I would likely buy some Mechanicus stuff, and I'm pretty sure they'd sell well among the more hardcore players. That doesn't change the fact that they'd need to write a codex and release a full range of miniatures, which is a big undertaking.

heh... like GW has a good record of updating all the existing armies before adding new ones? After all they brought out the Tau, DE, and Necron armies in the past when they were sorely needing to update existing ones.

And I already have a Ad Mech army (you dont even want to know the point value), it is more that I would love to see them support almost half of the IoM that they have neglected. On writing a Codex, that is not such a big undertaking, I wrote one (that I am in the proccess of updating compared to the changes they made with grey knights) that I never bothered to use outside of local games with permission. (Have actually considered just sending it to GW and offering it to them for free, as long as it get the army out there All they would need to add is the pictures/art.) And as I said in my last post, most of the models they would need for the range are already in production. Which means it is a win/win for them.

Kettu wrote:You paint them black?
It costs you $30 to paint them black?

I... Really have to know where you buy your paints. For that kind of money that had better be good.

@Lunahound;
Not suicide and a rather sound decision really.
Marine sell so well so rather then continuing to flog something that sells well, you focus on the lesser selling factions. Even if just for a short time. (And you just know there will be a few Marine codices in the meantime.)

That though is the problem. GW don't operate on a long turn plan but rather one that barely will see past June 30th each year.
They won't potentially sacrifice profits for a year to see an overall improvment. They'll stick to tried and true money spiners till the detrimental end.

Hence why Sisters, Necrons and untill recently, Dark Eldar, are languishing by the way side for a decade with hope only now in sight.

It's not so much "painting them black" It's mostly about the bits. Tabbards, hearaldry, chapter-specific items. Anybody can prime a marine army black and call it the Black Templars. But to add the bits and peices to really give it the PERSONALITY of the Black Templars is something else entirely. If I had to have a choice of space marine chapter, I would say make it come with Black Templars. Price point alone, I can add to my crusaders relatively cheaply.

Honestly, I'd rather they went a different route then Space Marines. I say make it the two of the three shootiest armies available: Tau, Guard, or (if the rumors of a new codex are true) Necrons. Tau can come with a battlesuit, Guard can come with a Leman Russ, and Necrons can come with whatever new specialized unit/vehicle. Try and put other armies besides Space Marines on the front page for a change.

Ad-mech.....Good god cause thats just what this game needs another imperial army......

Is anyone not buying the upcoming starter set?
Ad Mech would be cool but I'd rather see Witch Hunters I'm thinking about starting a witch Hunters list as well as my grandma

I would love to see Witch Hunters vs Chaos in a starter box

however like many others I definately am a doubter on this one due to GW being well.. GW!


I dont think there has been a starter box yet without space marines, not sure there ever will be!

I'll buy it for the mini rulebook, and then sell the models if they're not for an army I want.

Now, I don't think GW actually is super at marketing enough to see this if it is the case (it seems like it would be tough to really suss out) but I wonder what percentage of starter sets are actually bought by new players as opposed to existing players.

I mean, ok, I bought 3 (or was it 4?) of the AoBR starter sets when it came out, mostly for the books, terminators and dreads. I know a fair number of fantasy players said they bought piles of the new WHFB set for the skaven and elves. Judging by eBay listings, I would say lots of people bought the sets to either start new armies or boost their existing ones, as lots of the models are up for auction.

That gets me thinking that a few players like me who think 50$-100$ is a good price for piles of plastic, a rule book and spares to sell and make some cash back probably outweigh new players just looking at dropping 50-100$ on a game they may or may not like. If vets are buying 2-3 boxes each, that requires a lot of new players to match.

So if GW thinks this is true, it might not be unlikely that they will back off marines and put in in less popular armies, thinking that "Maybe vets will get into less popular army X or Y if we sell blocks of their models cheaply." Maybe, maybe not, but perhaps not so cut and dry as "Marines are the flagship, and so must be in the box!" Of course, Ultramarines vs Ultramarines is just about as likely :(

They kinda did that with Isle of Blood, didn't they? They took fairly popular armies (not as popular as OnG, Dwarves or WoC) and put them into a starter set together. It seems to have sold really well, so maybe that is exactly what they are planning?

ProphetOfChaosAscendant wrote:Is anyone not buying the upcoming starter set?

How the heck can anyone say when NO ONE knows what's coming out? A rumor of something that GW may or may not release in a year is so far out there it's hilarious.

What is the possibility of Necrons as one of the armies in the starter set? I mean, I'm all for Black Templar and Daemons (this would be my dream starter set), but since 'Crons are just coming out and TECHNICALLY they're not xenos (pretty sure robots don't count as xenos) they could get some love. And after all, the black templar book DOES show a battle against wraiths...maybe GW will capitalize on them. The only reason I want daemons in the starter set is for plastic plaguebearers/herald(s)/fiends. Necrons could get a whole bunch of new goodies, including plastic wraiths which could follow GWs act of new plastics...that are only available in the starter set, making even hardcore vets buy the starter set. Oh possibilities understanding the mind of our overlords and masters....

kronk wrote:

ProphetOfChaosAscendant wrote:Is anyone not buying the upcoming starter set?

How the heck can anyone say when NO ONE knows what's coming out? A rumor of something that GW may or may not release in a year is so far out there it's hilarious.

Too true!

I can't say one way or the other yet...

But odds are... maybe?

If the starter set includes black templars I will buy 2! and probably collect the other army too. ( I don't own black templars )

Kettu wrote:Sigh...

As much as many hope and dream for the day that GW gives any attention to the Sisters the facts speak for themselves.

It'll be Marines vs Non-Imperium.
It has always been Marines.
It'll always be Marines.

The rumors that it would be Sisters or Witch Hunters came about from a rumour that said it would not be Ultramarines.
It appears that many don't realise there are more colours then Blue on the Visible (Marine) Colour Spectrum.

As for Daemons, that came from the notion that you won't have Imperium fight themselves in the box (Although a Marines slaughter the Sisters set wouldn't suprise anyone in the least), you won't have Xenos (as per the original rumour) and Chaos Marines vs Marines would lead to a very boring box.

Sisters v. Chaos Marines would still be Marines technically speaking...

The new starter will cost $200 USD! All new codices will be hardback! 6th Edition will use cards instead of dice!

I have it on good authority that it will feature one army vs. another.

ArmorOfContempt wrote:I have it on good authority that it will feature one army vs. another.

It might even come with some dice and whippy sticks!

There are just two things I'm certain won't be in the starter:

Sisters of Battle - because moms won't buy a box with latex bondage nuns on the cover for little Timmy

Chapter-specific Space Marine models - because even GW isn't stupid enough to make the box unappealing to the majority of its customer base, that being vanilla SM players

lord_blackfang wrote:
whippy sticks!

NOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

Stupid things. Stupid stupid things.

Noisy_Marine wrote:All new codices will be hardback!

This I wouldn't be surprised about actually.

It is a bit early to have more than wild guesses, but here two relevant quotes of people who claim to know:

Blood of Kittens wrote:”By the end of the next Olympics we will treated to 6th ed Warhammer 40k”
Now that is something that people that follow GW trends have suspected for awhile. So really that is not that earth shattering. What makes 6thed potentially earth shattering is the version of AoBR we will get. For the first time ever neither Xenos, the Warriors of Roboute Guilliman, or the Sledgehammer of the Emperor will be chosen to fill the starter box.
What that means well all of us will have to wait to find out…

That means late 2012.
Last year, stickmonkey also predicted new 40k edition in 2012, but with Eldar in the starter box.
Harry's caveat to these early rumours:

Not saying this is wrong but .... leading up to fantasy 8th edition I heard from different, equally trusted sources, absolutely rock solid information regarding the two armies in the fantasy box. Thing is they all told me different things. Right up to 12 months out I had Orcs and Empire, High Elves and Goblins and High Elves and Skaven. It wasn't until quite late in the day I was confident about what was in the box.

My point is ... whilst this first rumour may be right, I bet it is not the last rumour we hear on this.

ghost21 wrote:From what I heard BT will be in the new starter box ala Black Reach, quickly followed by their dex, as I really don't collect marines I kinda usually skip those meetings.(...)
The order I heard was BT just after 6th.

Malakai wrote:Is there a rumour that BT are going to be in the 6th ed box?

Yup, with Daemons apparently (odd choice I thought).

Malakai wrote:How reliable is this rumour? I know that anything this far out is sketchy, but maybe on a scale of 1-10?

I'd give it a 7, but remember I don't usually pay attention to Marines. I'm a Chaos and Xeno guy, but I did hear there's a character who makes a certain Grey Knights character look tame...
Oh sisters codex ... shall we say nicest codex cover of the year?(...)

The "prototypes" that a few people saw were BT and Daemons. I only report what I see annd hear.

lord_blackfang wrote:

ArmorOfContempt wrote:I have it on good authority that it will feature one army vs. another.

It might even come with some dice and whippy sticks!

There are just two things I'm certain won't be in the starter:

Sisters of Battle - because moms won't buy a box with latex bondage nuns on the cover for little Timmy

Chapter-specific Space Marine models - because even GW isn't stupid enough to make the box unappealing to the majority of its customer base, that being vanilla SM players

Considering they're getting away from the "latex bondage nun" look for Sisters, at least according to Jes Goodwin(y'know, the guy sculpting them).

Come on guys, this is GW (one hell of a greedy company) we're talking about here. Space Marines are the best way to make money, so Space Marines it will be.

More likely it will coincide with the release of the 40K mmo. As to which armies? We haven't seen necrons or Eldar in a bit...

I know for a fact, not rumor though-

If prices don't get reigned in, and a return to a playable game, I know it on great authority who will be selling quite a bit of 40K product...

We'll see if I can hit that million dollar mark.


Film at 11!

Kanluwen wrote:

lord_blackfang wrote:

ArmorOfContempt wrote:I have it on good authority that it will feature one army vs. another.

It might even come with some dice and whippy sticks!

There are just two things I'm certain won't be in the starter:

Sisters of Battle - because moms won't buy a box with latex bondage nuns on the cover for little Timmy

Chapter-specific Space Marine models - because even GW isn't stupid enough to make the box unappealing to the majority of its customer base, that being vanilla SM players

Considering they're getting away from the "latex bondage nun" look for Sisters, at least according to Jes Goodwin(y'know, the guy sculpting them).

I'd be very surprised if the new sisters were NOT toned down. Just look at the new daemonettes versus the old ones.

A starter box with latex bondage nuns versus a Slaanesh cult, with free whippy sticks added? Sounds like a seller !

Kroothawk wrote:A starter box with latex bondage nuns versus a Slaanesh cult, with free whippy sticks added? Sounds like a seller !

Yes Kroothawk. Debate over. This will be the new box for certain.

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Kroothawk wrote:A starter box with latex bondage nuns versus a Slaanesh cult, with free whippy sticks added? Sounds like a seller !

It'll be the first time a Venereal Dreadnought will be available in plastic.

SlaveToDorkness wrote:My Sister's boyfriend knows a guy who is a janitor at at mall that has a GW store and he said that it was definitely Squats vs. Jokaero.

Feel free to add any punctuation necessary...

I heard from the guy who sculpted all the Ogre Kingdoms' derrières that it was going to be Chaos Squats Vs. Angry Marines and that there would be not just one, but two "Power Sack Full of Doorknobs" bits on the sprue.

Talking from a more considered perspective the more I think about this the more likely it is to be Sisters and Chaos in the box.

I don't know but GW is taking the internet chatter a bit more seriously.

You never know but they may have heard one too many, "never, no way of course it will be a marine codex" 'joke' over the whole Dark Eldar thing and enough Vanilla Marine refereneces to have finally given in to community demand.

Or that could just be wishful thinking.

Noisy_Marine wrote:I'd be very surprised if the new sisters were NOT toned down. Just look at the new daemonettes versus the old ones.

Apart from the old one that had 6 bewbs, I don't really see how one-breasted hermaphrodites are a toning down of pretty normal looking nekkid ladies.

If you think GW just wants to screw their customer base BT would make a lot of sense if they threw in a ton of neophiles with BP/CCW that look unmistakably like black templar neophiles rather than space marine scouts.

If you think GW just wants to sell starter boxes as possible I would say slaneesh deamons versus nuns with guns so there are boobies on both sides of the battle.

Ok, so what's the deal with those whippy sticks? I can't imagine it's significantly cheaper then adding the much-superior vinyl tape ruler that my Mechwarrior Clix guys came with (and I still use).

You get to whip your opponent with them repetitively if you win of he breaks your models

ProphetOfChaosAscendant wrote:You get to whip your opponent with them repetitively if you win of he breaks your models

And that is exactly the use for them.

Ouze wrote:Ok, so what's the deal with those whippy sticks? I can't imagine it's significantly cheaper then adding the much-superior vinyl tape ruler that my Mechwarrior Clix guys came with (and I still use).

Especially since the Whippy sticks aren't accurate in their measurement...

Ouze wrote:Ok, so what's the deal with those whippy sticks?

They're for rule disputes. Each player takes turns hitting the other one in the forearm with one, and the first player to break the skin of the other ones wins the argument.

ArmorOfContempt wrote:

Ouze wrote:Ok, so what's the deal with those whippy sticks?

They're for rule disputes. Each player takes turns hitting the other one in the forearm with one, and the first player to break the skin of the other ones wins the argument.

Man I have been doing it wrong... we have been using them till someone gives up... stopping at a little blood shows you just were not true to your arguement... WWID?

(What Would the Inquisition Do)

ETWFP

Exterminatus the whole fething planet

Sidstyler wrote:

thenoobbomb wrote:The Sisters of Battle aren't popular and will never be, even with an update.

lolwut? Quite a bold statement there.

I know many like them, but....

They cannot be found in shops (thats happening more times)
and I never have seen an army of them or any article on gw website.

And well, Grey Knights arent very popular too, but it would make some sence if they would add them to a new starter set
that is including chaos.

Anyways, Sisters of Battle are in for an update indeed.

How are people going from 'Imperial stuff in the box won't be smurfs or IG' to 'the starter will include Sisters/GK'?

The imperial stuff will be marines, just not smurfs - its a starter box, they won't put anything else in there for the IoM apart from marines because that's an easy starter army and their biggest seller to boot.

The more interesting question is who are they fighting? If the rumours are true and its not xenos, then its chaos (the IoM has 2 enemies, if it ain't one, its the other), but I would be surprised if its daemons unless they are totally overhauling the codex - too many special rules, wierd deployment etc. Having said that, CSM would be dull (MEQ vs MEQ *yawn* ) so that's not too likely either.

I'm still going out on a limb for LatD (or Legions at a stretch)

To be honest, Blue Marines vs Evil marines does make good sense. Sure, it's boring and tedious, but it's also very simple, which is maybe ideal for a starter set aimed at players who have never played before.

I'm still betting on Ultramarines vs Ultramarines.... in the grimdark future of grim darkness, there is only Ultramarines!

Kettu wrote:

Caminoman wrote:Thanks for the remarks. No, 30 dollars for the upgrade sprue, as in the box of Black Templar specific bits that used to be available in a Black Templar box set of marines, but now have been pieced out. All of this while Space Wolfs, Blood Angels, and Dark Angels all have their own chapter specific box sets.

But, and this goes for BA, DA and SW as well, you can assemble the units with just a vanilla squad box as the unit is still armed the same as the next.
Back when the BT first came out I had 500 pts of them for small games and I used only the vanilla boxes. Never had any problems.

Yeah, there's 10 BP/CCWs in a tac marine box.

/sarcasm

If 'the sons of Roboute Guilliman' are Ultramarines only, then I think that Other Marines vs Daemons is a likely scenario.

I base this on:
GW like to include two very different armies in their starter boxes. They have am 'armoured' and a 'non-armoured' army, a ''good' and an 'evil' army, and a 'horde' and an 'elite' army, listed in order of importance, (see Empire vs Orcs and Brettonians vs Lizardmen also). Armored vs Non-Armoured is specifically to give different painting opportunities.

Look at Island of Blood. High elves are Good, Armoured, Elite. Skaven are Evil, Non-armoured and Horde. Same goes for Space Marines and Orcs, Dwarves and Goblins, Space Marines and Tyranids, the previous starter box sets.

Given that some colour of space marines is likely to take the Good, Armored, Elite spot, then the other one is Non-Armored, Horde, Evil.
Out of the 40k races, the 'horde' armies are: Orcs, Tyranids, Guard.
The 'non-armoured' armies are: Orcs, Tyranids, Daemons, and some guard (Cadians half fall into 'Armoured', but there are many regiments wearing predominantly cloth).

Orcs, Nids have been done recently. Guard are good, and won't be pitted against Space Marines. Daemons on the other hand, are fleshy and evil, fitting GW's requirement of diametrically opposed armies.

The only reservation I have against daemons is the possible unfairness of the distribution between the four powers - given the current models still in metal we could be looking at Flesh Hounds, Plague Bearers, Screamers and Fiends - you could end up with a lot of boxes bought just for the core models and a lot of annoyed X players because they didn't want Y god models.

I heard that when GW moves to resin they wont be redoing the KOS so in my own little fantasy slaanshi world I'm hoping it will be slaanesh daemons with a plastic KOS and remakes of the old daemonettes VS sisters of battle who will be quickly turned into sisters of slaanesh......hey, a guy can dreem cant he

Edit: +1 to what kroothawk said lol

Trasvi wrote:
GW like to include two very different armies in their starter boxes. They have am 'armoured' and a 'non-armoured' army, a ''good' and an 'evil' army, and a 'horde' and an 'elite' army, listed in order of importance, (see Empire vs Orcs and Brettonians vs Lizardmen also). Armored vs Non-Armoured is specifically to give different painting opportunities.

Look at Island of Blood. High elves are Good, Armoured, Elite. Skaven are Evil, Non-armoured and Horde. Same goes for Space Marines and Orcs, Dwarves and Goblins, Space Marines and Tyranids, the previous starter box sets.

The third 40K starter set was marines vs Dark Eldar which is two armoured elites facing off against each other. Though the Dark Eldar in that set were severely out classed.

Dar Eldar count as Armoured?

Back then didn't they have something like a 6+?


The non-marines are ALWAYS severely outclassed. It's to make the Marines look good.

Look at AOBR for example.

The marines get a dread and terminators as spiffies

The orks get deffkoptas (which i love) which on a good day, in fair wind, might pen that dread. They themselves will go down like chumps to bolter fire, let alone Multi-Melta fire from that dread.

Nob vs Terminator is victory-terminator, especially since only the Warboss has a PK.

Plus there is a 135 pt disparity in favour of the marines, just to be sure...

Don't get me wrong. AOBR was awesome for models, and I bought 5 sets, but the matchup was deeply unfair.

If i remember right Battle for Macragge was the same way (i think that was the name of it anyway (the nid vs marine one).

The nids got a bunch of borer gaunts and i think a few stealers.

Not the most imposing assault force.

Coolest thing o.p. said..grandma that plays warhammer! And anything other than UM might get me into 40k!

i think marines vs chaos marines would be good. biggest issue with people playing against my with the basic Assault on Black Reach box was that orks had mroe models (even though marines got mroe points) this way you get equal number of pieces and close number of points?

and i love my whippy sticks i still use em cut one down to 5 inches so i cna just put the stick down and move the base to the front of the stick and get 6 inch moemnt exactly

Orks are supposed to have 2 or 3 to 1 numerical superiority over marines. Equal numbers (especially with the marines having terminators and vehicles, and the orks not) is suicide to orks. I've won with AOBR set orks vs marines, but it had me sweating The marine player was bee-hatching about how many troops i had the whole time, regardless

Now if they had included plastic MANZ in the box as the counter to the termies...


Marines VS Marines (chaos or otherwise) would be Marine player's wet dream (as they could seriously grow their force) but i'm afraid it would be seriously yawnworthy for everyone else. I might pick one up for casualties and scenery work, but that would be it.

I'm hoping for plastic nurgle daemons vs marines myself

Rules of Thumb: Shooty vs Assaulty, PA vs Non-PA, Good vs Bad...

Here are my guesses:

IG vs CSM (or CSM plus Demons)
SM vs Eldar

and for the hail mary: IG vs Necron

I seriously doubt that Sisters will be in the starter box because they simply do not anchor the game for new players like SM or IG.

Necrons are in the tube and will be a fall release.

Battle Sisters are Christmas, with Tau falling in behind in early '12.

That leaves Black Templar vs Chaos as the starter set. Each with a new codex and a few goodies.

Eldar follow that in the fall.

And that is when I shall reign supreme.

SlaveToDorkness wrote:No way it will be Daemons. Too many parental issues.

Luna, you may be on to something...

I'll ask my janitorial connection.

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ArmorOfContempt wrote:I have it on good authority that it will feature one army vs. another.

WTF ? Thats bs

dagsta2 wrote:

SlaveToDorkness wrote:No way it will be Daemons. Too many parental issues.

Luna, you may be on to something...

I'll ask my janitorial connection.

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ArmorOfContempt wrote:I have it on good authority that it will feature one army vs. another.

WTF ? Thats bs

Well, daemons wouldn't be a parental issue fluffwise, since you can see worse on the internet, but since most of them are metal, and they're not ready to begin sculpting plastic, they're not goint to be seen anytime soon.

Same for sisters of battle, who aren't that great anyway.

Tau would be pointless without the new codex.

Tyranids would be nice to see again, but, I doubt they'll do another macragge set.

Eldar would be nice, but I think GW is trying to do something new. I believe it'll be one of the two:
•space marines against necrons
•space marines against chaos space marines

earth-star wrote:
Well, daemons wouldn't be a parental issue fluffwise, since you can see worse on the internet, but since most of them are metal, and they're not ready to begin sculpting plastic, they're not goint to be seen anytime soon.

Same for sisters of battle, who aren't that great anyway.

Considering Jes Goodwins been working on plastic sisters...and sisters aren't that great? Well that's like, your opinion man.

But as much as I'd love to see sisters and deamons in the next box, I'd buy a whole buch of em, it wont happen.

Kilgore Trout 420 wrote:sisters aren't that great? Well that's like, your opinion man.

Not only his. It's a lot of people's opinion actually. Always has been.

They also are not very appealing to the young customers GW aims their starter box at. When you are a 12/15 year old boy it's just not cool at all to show your army of screaming battle women to your friends. There is a chance even the chess club will beat you up and stuff you into a locker with underwear pulled up over your head. And God knows what the football team will do to you.

I really doubt GW would be stupid enough to put this particular faction in the starter box. Black Templars are a much better option to advertise your game & earn you a lot more $$$.

Actually looking at something around $180-$200 per squad I welcome the idea of SoB in the starter set. Might get to actually buy some new GW stuff and they might start wanting my money again if they do. It also gives the bonus of when they reach apocalypse size they won't weigh the same and cost twice as much as most small cars.

Though I would not be surprised whatsoever if the starter set defies these rumors and throws Space Marines and Spikey Space Marines into the same box with some skull dice or something.

BoK is saying WD/PDF sisters w/plastics - that makes no sense whatsoever.

BT vs Chaos would be good - chaos need a re-do. Regular SM don't. Chaos also need a dex and new plastics too.

Unless its something like BT vs Tau - BT are crusading towards Tau space. Tau need a dex, new plastics too... BT would be re-done at the same time (35pt rhinos - quick kids buy rhinos before you realise 6th ed nerfs them!)

TBD

It was a mearly a joke, you obviously don't watch movies. Yes some people don't like sisters but some people do like them, both are entitled to their opinion. And I don't think it's really going to matter what toy soldiers the kid is playing with.

Of course it's going to be a flavor of marines but a lot of people would be happy if GW moved away from this and started supporting other armies.

While everyone is spazzing about what they'd like to see in a starter box, let's take a moment and go back to the one statement GW did put out. No smurfs, no IG, and no aliens.

Saying no smurfs but not saying no SM is basically admitting that some other chapter is going to be in the box. I think BT are the best guess but it may even be something off the wall like Salamanders or White Scars. Demons seem to be out given the "family friendly" focus they put into their retail outlets. That pretty much leaves Chaos. Thing is, MEQ vs. MEQ is pretty boring.

I agree it will most like be BT vs Chaos going off this rumour but Sisters and Deamons, as unlikely as both would be, also fall under the original rumours. And another flavor of marines is not all that "earth shattering" as I believe the rumour said. So the speculation of those two armies is not that far out there and not just wishlisting.

Breotan wrote:let's take a moment and go back to the one statement GW did put out. No smurfs, no IG, and no aliens.

That was just from a "rumour-monger" rather than direct from GW, surely?

Slinky wrote:

Breotan wrote:let's take a moment and go back to the one statement GW did put out. No smurfs, no IG, and no aliens.

That was just from a "rumour-monger" rather than direct from GW, surely?

Yes, it was from Blood of Kittens. It also didn't say "No Smurfs".

How often do we actually get a new starter set without a new edition some somewhere in the near future? I think for many (at least the people I know.) the last starter set was more or less an excuse to get the small version of the 5th edition codex. How long was it after 5th edition came out that Battle of Mac came along?

Am I missing something why would Black Templars be the SM army of choice when Dark Angels have a whole lot more players, easier to convert to other marine chapters and have actually graced the cover of core material before. Is there a DA codex in the works? I have been told it will be out every summer for 3 years now. ROFL must be Jervis is too busy swimming in his money vault to write it, end line the only debate is what army is in there with marines, my guess is chaos like the rest. Which leaves me thinking maybe they make the figs plain and the imperial army would be guard... hmmm choices.

BT vs. Chaos is too boring (3+ vs 3+).

As far back as I can remember the starters were:
2e: SM v. Orks
3e: SM v. DE
4e: SM v. Nids
5e: SM v. Orks

This is why I think it is SM (BT) v. Eldar.

It fits the pattern quite well and Eldar are slated for an update around that time.

EDIT: and by pattern i do not mean ork, elf, alien... I mean the goal of including two very different armies in a set. Different armor values, different speeds of play, etc.

Total speculation but I've been thinking for a while that when chaos get redone they may be going more in line with the Dawn of War games. This could mean that the starter set could include Chaos but with plastic cultists and Chaos Marines taking a more elite role. This would then be able to fit in with Black Templars or another marine chapter and not just be MEQ vs MEQ.

Uktabi wrote:Am I missing something why would Black Templars be the SM army of choice when Dark Angels have a whole lot more players, easier to convert to other marine chapters and have actually graced the cover of core material before.

Templars was on the cover in 3rd and you didn't back up your "more DA players" with sources.

I do believe Eldar could be in the 6th Ed 40K Starter Set. If not then they will certainly be the 1st 6th Ed non-starter Codex release.

Cerebrium wrote:

lord_blackfang wrote:
whippy sticks!

NOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

Stupid things. Stupid stupid things.

Probably good for scratching yourself if you have your arm in a cast.

Maybe the new thunderwolf calvary as well as fenrisian wolves models tossed into a Space Wolves Vs. Thousand Sons box?

Kilgore Trout 420 wrote:

earth-star wrote:
Well, daemons wouldn't be a parental issue fluffwise, since you can see worse on the internet, but since most of them are metal, and they're not ready to begin sculpting plastic, they're not goint to be seen anytime soon.

Same for sisters of battle, who aren't that great anyway.

Considering Jes Goodwins been working on plastic sisters...and sisters aren't that great? Well that's like, your opinion man.

But as much as I'd love to see sisters and deamons in the next box, I'd buy a whole buch of em, it wont happen.

I've played sisters, they're nowhere near as broken as blood angels, in fact, they're moderately forgiving, which would mean making a starter with them wouldn't be wise, since space marines will be a standard for any starter, the other army is generally one that isn't so forgiving, keeping in mind forgiveness is a new player's best friend.


of course, I do believe jes goodwin refuses to make plaguebearers plastic, since they're as easy as gluing them to the bases, and it's not easy sculpting nurgle daemons with plastic, just look at my ku'gath

I'd like to see Dark Angels Vs. Alpha Legion (few) with Chaos Cultists (Many), perhaps with a single official Fallen Angel model as the focal point for the scenario.

Dark Angels:

10x Tactical marines
3x Bikes
1x Attack Bike
1x Landspeeder
1x Interrogator Chaplain
1-2 Weird Things You Can't Actually Use In A Game


Alpha Legion:

Alpha Legion Instigator with Bolter

Alpha Legion Instigator with Chainsword and Plasma Pistol

Alpha Legion Instigator with Missile Launcher

10x Cultists with Lasgun (Firearms? Shotguns?)

10x Cultists with Las Pistol and CCW

3x Cultist Heavy Weapon Teams with Heavy Bolter (Stubber?)

1x Chaos Spawn

3x Mutants

1x Fallen Dark Angel with Power Weapon & Bolt Pistol

Heh, I still say Mechanicus vs. chaos space marines would be a great combo.

Magos
20 skitarrii
3 to 5 praetorians
battle engine/knight engine

vs.

chaos space marine champion
10 chaos space marines
3 to 5 oblitirators
defiler

Would be a great combination, mechanicus vs the dark mechanicus which fits in the fluff... brings out a new army... keeps the easy to use marine army in the chaos space marines. Plus you would have alot of current players buying it for the mechanicus parts or just for bits... that would be a dream for customizing figures.

Kettu wrote:You paint them black?
It costs you $30 to paint them black?

I... Really have to know where you buy your paints. For that kind of money that had better be good.

I believe he was referring to the BT Bits upgrade kits.

Remarkably, our local GW cannot keep enough black or white in stock...

I hate to break it to everyone, but as said so many times before we're taking about GW. They are going to put marines in all their starter sets, and for good reason the marines are so easy for a new player to use and learn with and on the other hand do easy for GW to sell and market. anyways I don't think we will be seeing a new starter set for real in a while.

It will be ultramarines vs Orks
Ultramarines:
Captain
Tac Squad
Termies
Dreadnought
Orks:
Warboss
Nobs
Boyz
Deffkoptas
Balarina choppas

AvatarForm wrote:

Kettu wrote:You paint them black?
It costs you $30 to paint them black?

I... Really have to know where you buy your paints. For that kind of money that had better be good.

I believe he was referring to the BT Bits upgrade kits.

Remarkably, our local GW cannot keep enough black or white in stock...

Or the royalties you have to pay the Stones any time you paint things black. Especially red doors.

why would a CSM vs. SM box set be boring?

The Horus Heresy just happens to be the most important part of the Imperium's History IMHO so why not recreate it? If the books are anything to go by i reckon there could be some tasty scenarios and not to mention new models.

Personally, i'd like to see it and seen as alot of the guys in my GW play either some flavour SM or CSM i'm guessing they'd like it too.

Garviel wrote:why would a CSM vs. SM box set be boring?

The Horus Heresy just happens to be the most important part of the Imperium's History IMHO so why not recreate it? If the books are anything to go by i reckon there could be some tasty scenarios and not to mention new models.

Personally, i'd like to see it and seen as alot of the guys in my GW play either some flavour SM or CSM i'm guessing they'd like it too.

As a starter set, it is boring for fresh users to only experience two armies that have near identicle stat lines.

Now if there was a WH 30K starter set, you may be on to something...

Given the level of Marine love at HQ i could see this happening, but I'd be annoyed if it did. Xenos get ignored enough as it is

They aren't even involved in the HH (beyond a couple of minor mentions) which would shut out a large part of the playerbase that buys the starter sets to bulk out their own forces (AOBR being a great example).

It would let the SM fanboys have months of nerdgasms at how awesomest astartes are above anyone else though..

If it did happen i would expect the hq to be Big E when human (doubles as Emperors champion for those BT players that are still hanging in there) and Horus (because I want a Horus model to mess with, and he'd make a cool Chaos Termi lord )

Black Templar vs. Eldar.

If I'm wrong I'll eat an entire box of cookies.

I doubt a new set will come any time soon. nothing seems to be changing right now.

I doubt it will be the necrons because they should get released soon but if they don't then they stand a good chance to be in the next starter set.

chaos and necrons are my guess with SM

Noisy_Marine wrote:I think the current rumor is demons vs. black templars.

That would make sense. They're some of the most straight-forward armies. Marines-shoot at hordes, charge at Geq. Daemons-charge.

Not like some of the other races (Tau, De, Necrons for example) where you actually need a well defined, situation specific strategy.

dariakus wrote:Black Templar vs. Eldar.

If I'm wrong I'll eat an entire box of cookies.

I'll be joining you, though I am prone to that anyways.

Kettu wrote:You paint them black?
It costs you $30 to paint them black?

I... Really have to know where you buy your paints. For that kind of money that had better be good.

Nice zing post. He was referring to the 33$ Upgrade kit that only includes enough tabards and chainswords for 5 Initiates, [Mod Edit - Please do NOT resort to that kind of talk here on Dakka Dakka].

im2randomghgh wrote:

Noisy_Marine wrote:I think the current rumor is demons vs. black templars.

That would make sense. They're some of the most straight-forward armies. Marines-shoot at hordes, charge at Geq. Daemons-charge.

Daemons have to start the game in reserve and enter via deep strike. That alone takes them out of the normal rules.

unless they are in for a rewrite

They also tend to simplify the rules for the starter box armies (and let you learn the full rules as you go.)

Little do you all realize this will be the expansion in which we get a clearer view of how the Adeptes Terra work since they will be taking over for the Emperor completely once He dies. They've basically been running the show anyway. On one side we will have the Adeptes Administratium-Administratium; The apparatus that oversees the beurocratic infrastructure of the Imperium. It is they who decides who is put in a position to promote someone to the rank of Planetary Governor for instance, and they that write the guidelines for how field administrators determine planetary and sector tax and conscription rates. Most of their models will be beurocrats (think slightly less militant inquisitorial henchmen) and servitors, with a single squad of riot gun/stunner maul toting guards.

On the other side will be the forces of the Adeptes Estate Imperium Janatoriallis, the cleaning and maintinance division of the records department of The Empire of Man. The box set will include two squads of menial lobotomized cleaning drones armed with mops and Power Squeegies. There will also be a multi-part vehicle kit for a waste disposal unit, three non-lobotomized adeptus menialus overseers with data-slates and keyrings, and an impressive Master Of The Cleaning Supplies model who gives bonus' to all friendly units within 18".

The scenario will follow a heretical work-slowdown protesting the classification of the Master Of The Cleaning Supplies as having reached his professional capacity and thus being non-promotable anywhere in the Adeptes Terra.

My source spoke on the condition of anonymity, but this is the real deal guys! I'm stoked!

Indiges wrote:Little do you all realize this will be the expansion in which we get a clearer view of how the Adeptes Terra work since they will be taking over for the Emperor completely once He dies. They've basically been running the show anyway. On one side we will have the Adeptes Administratium-Administratium; The apparatus that oversees the beurocratic infrastructure of the Imperium. It is they who decides who is put in a position to promote someone to the rank of Planetary Governor for instance, and they that write the guidelines for how field administrators determine planetary and sector tax and conscription rates. Most of their models will be beurocrats (think slightly less militant inquisitorial henchmen) and servitors, with a single squad of riot gun/stunner maul toting guards.

On the other side will be the forces of the Adeptes Estate Imperium Janatoriallis, the cleaning and maintinance division of the records department of The Empire of Man. The box set will include two squads of menial lobotomized cleaning drones armed with mops and Power Squeegies. There will also be a multi-part vehicle kit for a waste disposal unit, three non-lobotomized adeptus menialus overseers with data-slates and keyrings, and an impressive Master Of The Cleaning Supplies model who gives bonus' to all friendly units within 18".

The scenario will follow a heretical work-slowdown protesting the classification of the Master Of The Cleaning Supplies as having reached his professional capacity and thus being non-promotable anywhere in the Adeptes Terra.

My source spoke on the condition of anonymity, but this is the real deal guys! I'm stoked!

I'm sure my source said that was a new Space Hulk expansion, not a 40k one. It turns the space ship corridors and rooms into those of one of the many palaces on Earth. The mops will allow the Janitoriallis player to secretly mark corridors as "wet & slippy", which causes an Initiative check. Passing reduces movement; failure means the Administratum model falls over, dropping all his paperwork everywhere.

After reading this same thread across multiple sites the most likely one that I've heard is BT vs CSM to coincide with the MMO release.

Droma wrote:After reading this same thread across multiple sites the most likely one that I've heard is BT vs CSM to coincide with the MMO release.

GW doesn't design their product to fascilitate cross-promotion with people/companies who license their IP. Never have and likely never will.

Would love it to be Space Wolves Vs Thousand Sons....

Not going to happen but would be cool.

endtransmission wrote:

I'm sure my source said that was a new Space Hulk expansion, not a 40k one. It turns the space ship corridors and rooms into those of one of the many palaces on Earth. The mops will allow the Janitoriallis player to secretly mark corridors as "wet & slippy", which causes an Initiative check. Passing reduces movement; failure means the Administratum model falls over, dropping all his paperwork everywhere.

I am reminded of The Janitor from Scrubs threatening "Get me a new uniform or I will wax everything in your world."

If this starter set had to have Space Marines, I can see one way to redeem it:

Only include Mk 3-5 suits of power armour.

I'll jus tbe happy if there is equal points in the thing... space marines have a huge avantage over orks in AoBR and while i do play against people with the origional set of models as an intro i either give them more space marines if i'm orks or pull off some marines to even out poins if i'm marines. equal number unites would rock so i can see BT vs chaos marines, or eldar provided the model numbers are about equal and they have similar stats

I can guarantee it won't include Guardsmnen.

I'm not really sure what it could be. IF we assume that everything is correct, and there are no xenos, or guard, then all we have left is:
Space Marines and they're flavors(excluding Ultramarines)
Witch Hunters
Grey Knights
Chaos Marines
Chaos Demons

My initial thought would be Grey Knights against Chaos marines, but I got to thinking, if this was the starter set, why would they make it marines against marines?

I don;t think they would include Demons just because of how difficult to play. They wouldl'nt help newer people understand the basics of deployment, armor saves(everythings invulnerable), or shooting on the deamons part.

Sister of battle are a no too.


I'm not really sure what it could be.

Maybe the rumormonger meant 'no existing xenos' and we'll get a new race. Wishlisting to the max, but hey, all these humans everywhere gets a bit tedious..

Personally i'd love a traitors codex (traitor guard, csm, etc)

...unrelated, anyone else wondering where GW is going with the "Star Child" fluff?

They're obviously not gonna kill off the EoM, but still, wondering where their gonna take it...

It might not be so far flung that they'll kill the Emporer in the future, actually. It would be an interesting change of events.

The only "change of events" GW care about is their next price raise.

Sethoroth Massivemune wrote:It might not be so far flung that they'll kill the Emporer in the future, actually. It would be an interesting change of events.

I can't see it, part of the 40k universe is the motif of stagnation in eternal war. I personally not mind it, but it would require a lot of proper writing to define the new Imperium.

Movac wrote:

Sethoroth Massivemune wrote:It might not be so far flung that they'll kill the Emporer in the future, actually. It would be an interesting change of events.

I can't see it, part of the 40k universe is the motif of stagnation in eternal war. I personally not mind it, but it would require a lot of proper writing to define the new Imperium.

Anyone other than Dan Abnett would feth it up, hard.

so, judging from past GW, they might, just to feth it up.

Or they could leave it to Black Library, the IOM's Propaganda office