Consider the following , how much would Dakka dish out for this kit? ( In USD ) sorry


No pinning required ( its sculpted into the pieces )
Minimal flash or mold lines
Scenery base included
Scale is 28mm , GW wise , around FW Chaos Greater Daemons

Would you purchase it for wargame count as purpose? or general collection?
Would you be even more interested if the sculpts can be represented as special char in wargame? if so by how much more $

I wouldn't be shocked at an asking price of 200USD or less although I think that's still on the steep side. Maybe 150USDish is more fair? Because it is not GW/FW or (IMO) compatible, I have no interest in purchasing it myself and it's therefore hard for me to say what I would pay in order to give you a sense of its worth otherwise.

What is it?

It would probably be best to mention which currency you are asking about $CAD, $AUD, and $USD even though they are close, are still not on par. Not to mention the differnt prices for products in each nation, even after you consider exchange rate.

Manchu wrote:I wouldn't be shocked at an asking price of 200USD or less although I think that's still on the steep side. Maybe 150USDish is more fair? Because it is not GW/FW or (IMO) compatible, I have no interest in purchasing it myself and it's therefore hard for me to say what I would pay in order to give you a sense of its worth otherwise.

So basically quality of it is $150-$200 ish?

And depending if its useable in Warhammer ( sculpted to fit in wrahammer ) how much would you increase the worth by?

I say right about $200 isn't bad. The thing is on par with the Confrontation Dragon Titan, and that was a similar price.

It is reasonably sexy, but how it interacts with any GW game has no effect on price or value to me.

It is a really nice sculpt, even if personally I am not a fan of Chaos models (except Chaos Dwarfs ).
It is certianly worth at least 100 $, but as the potential customer base is already small, the final price will further influence it.
Looks similar to what Raging Heroes release BTW.

While highly detailed, I really don't really like the sculpt/design very much.

However, I believe other similar products will go for between $100-$200.

Personally I would not buy it even if I had the money.

It's a gorgeous piece. I could never afford even the bottom line price but; knowing how production costs can add up, paying the sculptor at least minimum wage, and contracting the moldmaking/casting I would expect between $200 and $250 usd for a low/medium production run.
The model itself looks almost straight out of the anima tactics line and far removed from the warhammer aesthetic. The styling is very much to my liking.

The idea that you would ask

Would you be even more interested if the sculpts can be represented as special char in wargame? if so by how much more $

bothers me. You should charge based on production cost and desired profit margin.

Just my take.

While its a nice model, it seems more to me like a Sodapop Minis Relic Knight, which I paid around $60 for.

Just a few questions for you.

How exactly are you going to get the model to not require pinning? I know you said its sculpted into the peices, but in my experiance any large kit still needs to be pinned due to shrinking and inconsistanceys in the molding process.

Is the cost of the scenic base increaseing your perceived price of the model? If so this would probably be a deal breaker for me, since if I'm going to go about painting this sucker I'm going to make my own base...

Either way the model looks really good.

that would make one gorgous daemon prince o.o;

I chose 0 dollars. I wouldn't buy it. I don't like the mode as it is now.

LunaHound wrote:

It's beautiful sculpting. The detail is amazing. I just don't like the 6 arms or the centaur body. If he was just a well-posed bipedal demon with a those 6 arms as options on a two-armed model, I would pay easily up to $200. I wouldn't have any interest in the base, though. If the base was an optional add-on to the kit, that would make the kit even more appealing to me.

I think the two topmost arms are posed terribly. Since they are sculpted straight out from the shoulder joint, they appear to be bent a little backwards. Then, the two arms holding the halberd are out front, effective blocking any use of the last set of arms. I don't know. They just look all crammed in together.



The centaur body gives me flashbacks to the pain that was Magtheridon's Lair in Burning Crusade.

lol



Ghidorah

I too chose $0. The model looks WAY to busy with all the arms and weapons and the tail and then OH theres a weird head thing sticking out of the bladder area.


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So what is the range from again?

I would pay AUD$150, if it was fully painted on its painted display base.

Mainly, the fixed pose ruins this model. Lacking a dynamic pose - not to mention it is too busy to be standing still - is its major drawback.

Wait, 150AUD fully painted? It costs much more than that to have a great painter do a terminator-sized model. I guess you're really, really offsetting what you don't like about the model.

LunaHound wrote:And depending if its useable in Warhammer ( sculpted to fit in wrahammer ) how much would you increase the worth by?

I believe that this factor is very significant. After all, that's what makes people buy an otherwise worthless piece of plastic/resin poorly sculpted by any number of third party companies. To a wargamer, being able to fit a model into the aesthetic of an army is a huge deal. Otherwise, you're appealing to the modelling crowd. Maybe you ought to post this on a fine scale modelling forum and ask those guys to appraise this.

personally, I would buy one just to paint, who or what company is making it?

I don't have a use for it (and wouldn't buy it), but it's stunning.

I'd guess around $200 or a bit higher.

I don't $200 - $300, shipping not included, is unreasonable.

Grrr.
Image Shack blocked at work.

Subscribed, so I can check it out from home.

Eric

Tbh it's pretty artless and over ornate and just looks like some JRPG boss. Japanese demons are just a bit over exposed + the fact it has obviously been done on a computer.. If it has not been done on computer the sculpter should stick to jewellery or ornament design it is far better suited to his skills.

Not that I'd buy one, but somewhere around $200 seems reasonable for a sculpt of that size and detail.

If I had to buy something like that to play a miniatures wargame, I would discount the value to $150. Even that is pushing the limits on what I wound spend on a "toy" versus a "display piece."

I'd say around $100 just because I can never justify spending more than that on one model.

That's a good point, biccat, and it reveals an interesting phenomenon: we're willing to pay more for something that will sit around than something we can "use."

I also agree with Perkustin's comment about this looking like a JRPG boss. Just to be clear, I'm talking about how much I'd imagine someone would ask for the model and not how much I would pay for it. Like others, I would pay 0 USD and if someone did just give this to me I'd pass it along, too.

I'd pay $150 us, same as for some of the bigger FW kits. I don't play Daemons but I have purchased assembled and painted a few models outside of my range because I liked them, eg. a Soulgrinder, Hellpit Abomination, and some of the old Armorcast Battletech mechs. I'd consider this one, depending on the price, but for any investment of over $100, I'd want to see multiple pics from different angles, the way FW does, before I shell out any money.

Manchu wrote:That's a good point, biccat, and it reveals an interesting phenomenon: we're willing to pay more for something that will sit around than something we can "use."

If I'm going to use it in a wargame, I'm going to paint it myself. If it's going to be a piece of art, then I'm going to let someone else handle it, because I can always see the flaws in my own work, and I'd never appreciate it as much.

Although I'm sure there are others who would pay more if they slap a trademark on it. This, in fact, appears to be Games Workshop's marketing strategy.

Wouldn't pay a thing for it, simply because its not to my taste. Sure the sculpt is amazing from a technique standpoint but the posing and fine detail is just... well I'd have to change far too much myself to consider buying this. Also I really don't buy the 'no pinning required'; true if it was purely for display but I'm not convinced it would hold for gaming use.

It's a gorgeous sculpt. Aesthetically-speaking I can't find anything wrong with it. I just don't like the aesthetic. I've never been into daemons, I guess.

I wouldn't be surprised at all to see a $200+ price tag on it. Actually, I think it might even be fair to charge $300+, but even if it's worth that in terms of quality at that price I expect you would have trouble getting people to buy it. Because getting people to justify spending more than $200 on a single model is probably going to be tough no matter how good it is.

Whether or not it fits with GW has zero bearing on my opinion. Actually, strike that. I think I'd pay more for it not fitting into GW, because the less neatly something fits into GW's model line the more chance it has of being a totally unique creation that I couldn't buy/convert from other companies' models.

I think its an alright model.. Too many arms but I like the torso. Centaur legs are okay since it gives it a unique feel for 40k. The main issue I got is what do I use it for? I play custom apoc games, so thats an option

If I just wanted to put it into a case then it would have a value of 0.. very very few people give a damn about your models that you show off in fancy glass cases. I have like 60k of painted stuff but theyre just on shelves in the basement and only organized for my own benefit

But I also would live in a house with no random amenities and only functionally useful devices or objects. I suppose its fortunate my wife disagrees! (shes an artist too).. Im too logical to really appreciate art for arts sake

Unfortunately I would say it is too big to serve any real functional use and that means less buyers. I mostly like the sculpt but it could do with at least two less arms and the thing protruding from the groin just looks odd to me. The cost of manufacturing it alone will mean it would probably be cost around $250 - $300 (American anyway). At that price I wouldn't be interested in it and at the price I would by it for you wouldn't be interested in selling it to me.

Manchu wrote:I have no interest in purchasing it myself and it's therefore hard for me to say what I would pay in order to give you a sense of its worth otherwise.

Ill agree completely. However, based on the apparent size and the good looking sculpting I could see it going for $200-$250 US.

i could see this being around the 15o range, though its not something i'd get, simple because i'd be forever whistling the theme song from final fantasy every time i looked at it-and i would never get it painted up to a proper level

bloody fanboys ! "i wouldnt as its not GW ! " lol
we should be looking at the sculpt quality/wght of resin/if its ltd ed or not to judge price

if you like it or it fits in with a game you play is how we judge its worth ...

We should be saying "at least it's not Forge World"

It would need to be as advertised - no pinning and no (or little) flash. No bending, straightening - and all the other things that keep me from buying Forge World.

If the above were true, yes, I'd shell out $150-200 for this model. It's gorgeous. It would make me finish my Chaos army and play it.

I would be usingit for RPG purposes. I'd easily pay $100.

$150-200 catagory would make me very wary of getting it to be used maybe once or twice.

Who makes it and what is their reputation for resin quality and delivering a good product?

I think that part of the product information is required before making a decision for buying it. Like forgeworld has a bad reputation for warped pieces and bad casts and I avoid buying things from them but other companies like bitspuldo and max mini create better casts with fewer issues so I might buy from them.

Sculpt looks neat. Could make a really cool bloodthirster if it was the right size and I actually ran one in my fantasy daemons army.

The no pinning thing I think is a little misleading imo...

Most models that big, even with the "built in pins" still require additional pinning on top of that to hold up decently...

I wouldnt pay over 100 for it though

still nothing on who it's actually by.

And since it's not GW and I play/paint/model exclusively at a GW store, this model is of no use to me.

$0. Unless it's fully assembled, painted etc. Then I'd give someone I know $50 for it just so they don't have to throw it away when they move.

Im not good at multi quoting so i'll just reply to them :'P

First of all , thanks for all the different feed backs , they are all important and correct in their own ways. So its a BIG help , thanks again Dakka.

There seems to be conflict with how to price this. Some user says worth goes up if usable in wargame , some worry if excessively handled it'll be worth less than a normal display piece.
What if , its sturdy and resilient enough to be used in war games while functioning as display? ( the base is almost like a movement tray , we dont just grab its limb and move it around xD )

Thanks for the feed back on the aesthetic issues , i agree it does not fit into warhammer. Its more of a display of sculpting skill and manufacturing results of Original Work . Which im glad people seem to agree of its quality.

Which company makes these? None. Its private ,commissioned , and produced. Which still gets boot leg recasts. Hence making me think twice if i want to commission a warhammer version into N.America to make profit ( hehe! )

Price to produce? sorry i cant discuss that , I still need to factor in commission cost to make one from scratch ( If for Warhammer usage ) , and pay them to produce each kit.

Again please do leave comments , feedback on what you think about it. Every response is valued info i need to consider.

If I had the skills to paint it I would easily pay $200.
Then I would start a chaos army, just so I could use it.
Very nice model.

I like it, I like it a lot. I'd probably be willing to drop $120-$130ish on it. If you could make it look a bit more "techy', some pipes and wires and whatnot, i'd liike it even more.

Probably 100$ ish, It really looks like something out of World Of Warcraft.

I would pay 200, easy. Maybe even 300.

BTW, where can one get that? I need it. NAOW.

I voted $0. Honestly something about it is immediately off-putting. The individual pieces look high quality. However, when they all come together it doesn't seem to flow in a way that is aesthetically pleasing IMHO.

The first thing jumping out: too much bling. This can be OK, but with all those extra parts... As others have said, there are too many limbs that are not posed in a way that makes sense. Combining over-bedazzled with too many limbs, I think it puts my aesthetic sense into sensory overload (not in a good way). Its like all sorts of various individual projects all got stuck together, without consideration of the overall end product. (Sorry, not meaning to be harsh. Trying to provide targeted critique, which I find to be more helpful!)

I love the idea of including the arms as choices. What about adding little hole-filler bits for those who want fewer than max number of arms? And of course for the wings, too, in case someone prefers to leave them off. If these options were available, I would consider $150-ish USD.

Assuming the casts are good, no warped pieces and minimal flash and I wanted a really cool thirster for my fantasy demons. I would pay about $150 maybe $200. I would wait for someone else to buy it first and give feedback on quality since no manufacturer with known reputation is making it.

I also am skeptical about the no pinning for large pieces. I pin all my large pieces like monsters and dragons as a force of habit.

I like it.

I like it alot.

BUT...

1. the thing NEEDS options, at any price you set. Just that batch of parts right there is asking me to get in on the resin and build about thre or four different monsters out of that one kit.

2. The Model isn't really for GW games. so... Don't spin it that way. might do for a couple of optional heads, arms, arm/shoulder options, weapons, types of demonic parts, ( I/E fire demons, char demons, reptilian, Cthuhlu tenticles, etc...) Basicly, I've seen a couple of Giant monster movies and THIS thing is very inspiring, but not in it's current form.

3. Demons.... hmmm. This little guy could do great in Anime Tactics, or in one of those Soul Caliber type anime games, like a minis version of Bleach, or Blood. Have you considered starting to sculpt up an Anime game in the same line of thinking as the samuri vs demon things? Get in a few Not Naruto, or Not Blood, or Not whatever, and I can see a great big !@#$ you to GW in the far eastern markets, and in the anime fanboys in the states.


All in all, it's a great sculpt, but your limiting your reach with the ability of the sculpter in just aiming at GW clonewars. Your ability has them in the dust, and you have opened yourself up a great big opening that has serious potential.


Great Job. All in all it is a great sculpt and has excellent potential!!!

That's one sweet looking miniature. I would pay 100-150 for it depending on strength of cast.

As an aside---it would look much better if you dropped two of the arms. It does seem a bit busy----and that's probably putting people off. Hard to find a center in that mass of limbs.

That's beautiful sculpting

Some of the negativity regarding the sculpt and style in this thread is truly disheartening. Whether or not it suits your own sensibilities or fits in with chaos marines, is it so hard to give the sculptor credit for such beautiful and consistent work on this large scale? You don't have to like it to respect it as a work of art.
It's sad to hear its getting bootleg copies made and the sculptor isn't making anything from them.

Manchu wrote:Wait, 150AUD fully painted? It costs much more than that to have a great painter do a terminator-sized model. I guess you're really, really offsetting what you don't like about the model.

You guessing correct.

The paintjob would need to account for the terrible pose and overall problems with scale and detail.

When I first saw it I thought 'Thats gotta be a garage kit'

Good to know I was right.

So no more then 8000 yen.

I would probably pay around $100 bucks. It's a lil bit too busy for my tastes and I ma not digging the three oddly straight arms. I still think its a beautiful piece though. Oddly enough I would go up to 150 if it were less busy. (could always deal with the arms myself lol)

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm a bit clueless about how much I'd be willing to pay because I don't know how that model compares to similar prices and scales. The most expensive model kit I've ever purchased was a Perfect Grade Zaku for about US$100, US$150 with shipping back when the dollar was better against the Yen. But that's a factory produced plastic kit.

So, it's probably an unfair comparison, but I'd have to have someone explain to me why more than US$100 is fair for a resin model before I'd want to pay more than that. How much does a model that big cost to make?

Edit: I got the 'Grade' of the model wrong before. I meant "1/60 Perfect", not just "Master" Grade. :(

It's not one that I would buy - either for myself or anyone I know.

Not requiring pinning is not really an issue. Have dremel, can pin pretty much anything with it.

It's too cluttered for the sake of being detailed.

Not keen on the style or the form. I prefer a cleaner aesthetic, myself.

solkan wrote:I don't know about anyone else, but I'm a bit clueless about how much I'd be willing to pay because I don't know how that model compares to similar prices and scales. The most expensive model kit I've ever purchased was a Master Grade Zaku for about US$100, US$150 with shipping back when the dollar was better against the Yen. But that's a factory produced plastic kit.

So, it's probably an unfair comparison, but I'd have to have someone explain to me why more than US$100 is fair for a resin model before I'd want to pay more than that. How much does a model that big cost to make?

How much does it cost to make? No where near the price. Hence why Forgeworld (the kings of the $100 resin model) will just send you a replacement kit instead of bothering with digging out a specific part or doing some form of return. It's cheaper to just ship a new one.

Worglock wrote:

solkan wrote:I don't know about anyone else, but I'm a bit clueless about how much I'd be willing to pay because I don't know how that model compares to similar prices and scales. The most expensive model kit I've ever purchased was a Master Grade Zaku for about US$100, US$150 with shipping back when the dollar was better against the Yen. But that's a factory produced plastic kit.

So, it's probably an unfair comparison, but I'd have to have someone explain to me why more than US$100 is fair for a resin model before I'd want to pay more than that. How much does a model that big cost to make?

How much does it cost to make? No where near the price. Hence why Forgeworld (the kings of the $100 resin model) will just send you a replacement kit instead of bothering with digging out a specific part or doing some form of return. It's cheaper to just ship a new one.

They no longer do this.

They forgot to include a whole sprue from the Inq Lord (the one with the familiars) and instead of sending a new one, they posted only the sprue required to complete the kit.

solkan wrote:I don't know about anyone else, but I'm a bit clueless about how much I'd be willing to pay because I don't know how that model compares to similar prices and scales. The most expensive model kit I've ever purchased was a Master Grade Zaku for about US$100, US$150 with shipping back when the dollar was better against the Yen. But that's a factory produced plastic kit.Yen

So, it's probably an unfair comparison, but I'd have to have someone explain to me why more than US$100 is fair for a resin model before I'd want to pay more than that. How much does a model that big cost to make?

Dude, you got seriously ripped off. An MG Zaku should only be around $50 USD before shipping at most, even when the Yen was stronger. They've always been around 3~4000 Yen.

I wouldn't buy it. It looks impressive, like a Final Fantasy boss, it's just not something that would show up on my radar.

For those of you who have been asking, the model is The Guard-Beast Barett by DAVYACE / PKKING

PKKING's blog can be found here.

I also have a few more images of the model that I believe are from a Taiwanese trade show.







I'm not sure how one would go about buying one of these or if they're even still in production. Though, if someone could contact PKKING directly then he would likely know the answers.


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I was just tuned into this post on Hobby Fanatics as well, it has some great images of the bare resin.

http://www.hobbyfanatics.com/index.php?/topic/29179-pkkings-beast/


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This one too, which has some other models and more importantly prices. Which for this model appears to be $236 or 165 Euros.

http://www.hobbyfanatics.com/index.php?/topic/27170-davyace-teams-works-for-sale/

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*waves

It honestly looks like something out of Final Fantasy. That being said, I would pick one up for the shelf/ display purposes only.

Also the upper body looks too busy... too many arms crammed into too small of a space. Four arms would have been better than six.

All in all, I think that most I would pay for this is $150 USD. I mean, a Knucklebonz limited edition figure/statue costs about the same and it comes assembled and painted. Yes, they are just nice to look at, but this would be the same for me.

It has a sort of... 'pit fiend' vibe to it, almost.

I like pit fiends.

LunaHound wrote:Im not good at multi quoting so i'll just reply to them :'P

First of all , thanks for all the different feed backs , they are all important and correct in their own ways. So its a BIG help , thanks again Dakka.

There seems to be conflict with how to price this. Some user says worth goes up if usable in wargame , some worry if excessively handled it'll be worth less than a normal display piece.
What if , its sturdy and resilient enough to be used in war games while functioning as display? ( the base is almost like a movement tray , we dont just grab its limb and move it around xD )

Thanks for the feed back on the aesthetic issues , i agree it does not fit into warhammer. Its more of a display of sculpting skill and manufacturing results of Original Work . Which im glad people seem to agree of its quality.

Which company makes these? None. Its private ,commissioned , and produced. Which still gets boot leg recasts. Hence making me think twice if i want to commission a warhammer version into N.America to make profit ( hehe! )

Price to produce? sorry i cant discuss that , I still need to factor in commission cost to make one from scratch ( If for Warhammer usage ) , and pay them to produce each kit.

Again please do leave comments , feedback on what you think about it. Every response is valued info i need to consider.

Commission?

Is it your own sculpt? or are you re-casting these?

Pkking sculpted it.

Asmodeus wrote:Pkking sculpted it.

Is PKKing the OP?

No PKKINg is the sculptor.


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I stand corrected and apologize.

You could investigate that via the links Neconilis provided. It looks like there might be a complicated answer to that question.


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Asmodeus wrote:LunaHound is the one possible making molds of someone else's work and is trying to make a dime off it.

No, that is not the case at all and you really ought to read more carefully before making that kind of accusation.

I misread. Fixed.

Manchu wrote:You could investigate that via the links Neconilis provided. It looks like there might be a complicated answer to that question.

Links dont work for me, hence, the questions.

I'm in the $0 club as well. Awesome sculpting and detail but it's way too busy with all the arms and tentacles. I'd ditch 4 arms, the tentacles and the wings.

Hes a very nice model. Just to many arms.. and to clumped up.

Who made this one ?

as for buying, it doesnt really fit into any of the tabletop games i play so probly wouldnt get it.

Seems like a display peice ?

I wouldn't spend anything on it. It is just so over-crowded.

AvatarForm wrote:

Manchu wrote:You could investigate that via the links Neconilis provided. It looks like there might be a complicated answer to that question.

Links dont work for me, hence, the questions.

In one of the links there appears to be allegations of stealing as between some of these companies. I can't tell if the model we're talking about is involved (because I didn't read further).

Honestly, I wouldn't pay anything for it. I just don't like it at all.
I'm surprised to say that, actually. I've got a wde range of 'tastes' in models.
This one was just too busy for me with too many contrasting elements vying for my attention.

Also, all the detail seemed to be focused on the intracies of the armor and not enough (comparatively) to anatomical (not genitalia!) details like raised veins, etc.

Eric

It's not suitable for GW because it's
A: HUGE!!!!
B: It's far too eastern and ornamental in it's design.

If i wanted it, I would pay ~60% of the Y7500 price quoted on the website ~$120-$180.

If you want a cool Final Fantasy XII boss which appears to be very detailed and well cast (You can't sell it as No pinning BTW) go for it.

@Neconilis: Thanks for Exposing the OP, was fairly suspicious of this thread, now i know the facts not so.
You should be a PI!

Exposing?

Pfft. whatever.

You could read a little bit before going off the cuff.

That looks cool but I have no use for it so wouldn't but it. I did used to make Gundam Kits before I got big into 40k but now all my model fund goes to 40k so have no use for this. If I somehow hit the lottery or got rich all the sudden I'd consider getting one to paint up but as it as now nah $0. Some of the lineage models look pretty awesome. The sculpting is really good and stuff looks awesome but again no use for it so no buy.

I think Luna actually is in contact with PKKing and is trying to commision something for 40k and is trying to gauge how much people would pay for a cool 40k piece in the style of this model this model.

Now if they made something like a bloodthirster or fateweaver counts as that looks really awesome then maybe I'd be interested.

Just the fact lunar hound was being less than transparent in the OP. Seeing as how he was withholding info without stated, clear reason in the OP (Even if the reasons are obvious it is not enough to imply it) i call any unearthing of said info 'exposing'. I don't think reading has anything to do with it.

Perkustin wrote:It's not suitable for GW because it's
A: HUGE!!!!
B: It's far too eastern and ornamental in it's design.

If i wanted it, I would pay ~60% of the Y7500 price quoted on the website ~$120-$180.

If you want a cool Final Fantasy XII boss which appears to be very detailed and well cast (You can't sell it as No pinning BTW) go for it.

@Neconilis: Thanks for Exposing the OP, was fairly suspicious of this thread, now i know the facts not so.
You should be a PI!

You're more than welcome for the info. I was as curious as anyone else and wanted to find out as much as I could about the model in order to share it.

What an interesting accusation. I want to sell recasts? no get some info straight first.

1) The sculptor is free to take commission after he finishes his current contract. Hence if i think enough people will purchase his work after seeing the quality,
we can start something us warhammer players can use.

2) I dont want to reveal the sculptor right away incase bigger companies snatches him away by paying him more than i can offer. *Cough since i know chapterhouse is confident in its standings vs GW
and probably wouldnt mind venturing into the larger scales. While we have also seen companies such as Ultraforge been successful in creating medium size GW count-as sculpts.

3) Necronlis found "source"? well guess what , we gave him the source on 4chan , via /jp/ and /tg/ ask him yourself. I KNEW it was someone from Dakka easily
due to the file name posted , im not dumb.

4) IF i have the capability of recasting things , i would prefer to recast FW then this , for obvious reasons FW gets to sell small amount of resin for higher price.
Not to mention all i have to do is recast and not have to pay the sculpting fees. Like i mentioned in the first post , there has been people recasting his work.
The last thing i want is to pay for commission and for people to just steal the kit and recasts. Then what the hell am i so dumb to "pay" the sculpting commission fee for?
Its like buying something just to have it stolen.

6) Lastly , i saw this as a chance for me to both make a small profit and bring in a new sculptor that can make us beautiful large scale warhammer monsters.
I would be happy to give out all the info about the sculptor once the contract was set in stone. But you guys use that as a base for attacking and accusing me of recasting?

I wont ask for apologies but some of you should be ashamed of yourselves.

FW GD size?
Hmmm around €100-150 I'd feel for me personally.

Cyporiean wrote:

solkan wrote:I don't know about anyone else, but I'm a bit clueless about how much I'd be willing to pay because I don't know how that model compares to similar prices and scales. The most expensive model kit I've ever purchased was a Master Grade Zaku for about US$100, US$150 with shipping back when the dollar was better against the Yen. But that's a factory produced plastic kit.Yen

So, it's probably an unfair comparison, but I'd have to have someone explain to me why more than US$100 is fair for a resin model before I'd want to pay more than that. How much does a model that big cost to make?

Dude, you got seriously ripped off. An MG Zaku should only be around $50 USD before shipping at most, even when the Yen was stronger. They've always been around 3~4000 Yen.

My mistake. I started typing, then looked up the model, and forgot to correct myself. I meant the Perfect Grade model: http://www.hlj.com/product/BAN72361, 12,000 Yen retail, weighs about a pound when assembled, includes a batter powered red led.

That is what I've been conditioned to expect for that price range.

Its nice, I used to collect Statues, and this reminds me of some of the resin kits. I have to say though, it doesn't compete with the new Maelstrom range.....in looks, (or price it seems)

I like it but i'm broke so $50.00 is all I have.

solkan wrote:

Cyporiean wrote:

solkan wrote:I don't know about anyone else, but I'm a bit clueless about how much I'd be willing to pay because I don't know how that model compares to similar prices and scales. The most expensive model kit I've ever purchased was a Master Grade Zaku for about US$100, US$150 with shipping back when the dollar was better against the Yen. But that's a factory produced plastic kit.Yen

So, it's probably an unfair comparison, but I'd have to have someone explain to me why more than US$100 is fair for a resin model before I'd want to pay more than that. How much does a model that big cost to make?

Dude, you got seriously ripped off. An MG Zaku should only be around $50 USD before shipping at most, even when the Yen was stronger. They've always been around 3~4000 Yen.

My mistake. I started typing, then looked up the model, and forgot to correct myself. I meant the Perfect Grade model: http://www.hlj.com/product/BAN72361, 12,000 Yen retail, weighs about a pound when assembled, includes a batter powered red led.

That is what I've been conditioned to expect for that price range.

Ah yes, then good price for the PG.

LunaHound wrote:3) Necronlis found "source"? well guess what , we gave him the source on 4chan , via /jp/ and /tg/ ask him yourself. I KNEW it was someone from Dakka easily
due to the file name posted , im not dumb.

I don't believe anyone ever claimed that you were dumb. Anyway, I did indeed ask over on 4chan when I was searching for info last night, and the information that I learned helped me out a lot. I did some more traditional web searching as well and got the rest from there. After that I shared the info that I discovered with everyone here since there was a definite interest.

Sorry that part wasnt directed at you Neconilis , i was agitated at the 3 that accused me of counterfeits.

Perhaps being more forthcoming and direct in regards to the origin of the model (keeping the original model sculptor anonymous) would of probably been more beneficial.

Being indirect and roundabout in presenting the model made people view this model in other ways than what you intended them to see it as.

WarOne wrote:Perhaps being more forthcoming and direct in regards to the origin of the model (keeping the original model sculptor anonymous) would of probably been more beneficial.

Being indirect and roundabout in presenting the model made people view this model in other ways than what you intended them to see it as.

I gave the reason for it , if you find it to be unsatisfactory , please give a solution to what you would have done differently.

LunaHound wrote:

WarOne wrote:Perhaps being more forthcoming and direct in regards to the origin of the model (keeping the original model sculptor anonymous) would of probably been more beneficial.

Being indirect and roundabout in presenting the model made people view this model in other ways than what you intended them to see it as.

I gave the reason for it , if you find it to be unsatisfactory , please give a solution to what you would have done differently.

"Hello DakkaDakka! Now not sure if this is the right place for it, but I want to bring something to you guys and gals who love the following:

Warhammer and fantasy!
Beautiful Large Scale Models!

Insert Pictures.

Pretty, isn't it?

Now as of this time, this is a unique model that was under wraps until now. The sculptor I have been working with was gracious enough for me to unveil his/her work up until this point What I am looking for is feedback for this model. Namely:

Critique
What one would pay for such a model.

Keep in mind, Model is *insert size*, is made of *insert material*, and took *insert manpower hours* to achieve. The final product is of course what I have posted.

Answers I get will help me be able to possibly establish a relationship with the sculptor in bringing not only production of this model around to the masses, but also perhaps help get other future projects off the ground. I'm looking foward to working with the community on feedback and helping to promote such a talented individual!

So please fire away at what you think of this wonderful work and suggestions for a retail price people would be willing to pay!

Thanks in advance! "

Hello,
I woould say around 150 or so, that said it is due to limited use. Mostly it would be simallar to one of the japanese resin statues I do for people, however it is very cool, and the beast is definaly Monster Hunter material.

Regards,
Carl

LunaHound wrote:

WarOne wrote:Perhaps being more forthcoming and direct in regards to the origin of the model (keeping the original model sculptor anonymous) would of probably been more beneficial.

Being indirect and roundabout in presenting the model made people view this model in other ways than what you intended them to see it as.

I gave the reason for it , if you find it to be unsatisfactory , please give a solution to what you would have done differently.

WarOne provided your solution in his quoted response.

AvatarForm wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

WarOne wrote:Perhaps being more forthcoming and direct in regards to the origin of the model (keeping the original model sculptor anonymous) would of probably been more beneficial.

Being indirect and roundabout in presenting the model made people view this model in other ways than what you intended them to see it as.

I gave the reason for it , if you find it to be unsatisfactory , please give a solution to what you would have done differently.

WarOne provided your solution in his quoted response.

Thats not a solution , but thanks for re quoting it again! I already saw his post , its the very first post of page 4

LunaHound wrote:Thats not a solution

I'll try and put it in some other form of words.

The solution would of been to be plain and direct. You have this miniature that was made. You want to see what people would pay for it. You are not going to reveal the person who did it. You state it was original.

Now it won't stop derps who cannot read statements like "This model is original and not a copy or duplicate of another's work." Some people headbutt walls at high speeds for a living and will still say "this is a duplicate."

The worst thing that happened was that someone did have the information on hand concerning who made it plus revelant links. That was what started the whole snowball. If you truly wanted to hide this work until now, having no public internet footprint would of been the best way to go along with being a bit more forthcoming.

WarOne wrote:I'll try and put it in some other form of words.

First of all , cut the witch hunt stuff , and whats the facepalm for?

The solution would of been to be plain and direct. You have this miniature that was made. You want to see what people would pay for it. You are not going to reveal the person who did it. You state it was original.

I want to see what price would people pay for a sculpt that size , quality. It has NOTHING to do with me wanting to sell it. Original wise , http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110108224545AAP4oRw

Now it won't stop derps who cannot read statements like "This model is original and not a copy or duplicate of another's work." Some people headbutt walls at high speeds for a living and will still say "this is a duplicate."

Your point is what? i already stated the artist has his sculptures been stolen recasts. The last thing i want is for people to buy from recasters which wont help the original sculptor at all.

The worst thing that happened was that someone did have the information on hand concerning who made it plus revelant links. That was what started the whole snowball.

Did you not read? IM the one that gave the source to neconlis , granted hes the one that posted it into dakka dakka. But i was fully aware of it WILL happen as i mentioned ,
the requesting picture was named TW3 ( how i labelled it on dakka dakka ) I knew it was someone from dakka wanting to know.

If you truly wanted to hide this work until now, having no public internet footprint would of been the best way to go along with being a bit more forthcoming.

I already explained earlier , i wont be able to compete with large companies if they decide to hire the sculptor. Will i be happy if the sculptor end up commissioning some warhammer sculpt for me?
Of course. Can i stop others from paying him MORE to sculpt for them? Nope!

Face it , im not a re-caster or a thief of any kind , and your witch hunt will get no where.

It does not appear that there is any witch hunt happening here. The original post was a bit scanty with information, and a couple of people got excessively suspicious and made inappropriate accusations. Luna, you solicited feedback on why, and what else you could have done differently. If people answer that question, it doesn't mean they're accusing you of anything. If you want to have that discussion, keep it friendly. If you don't want to have that discussion, then don't solicit it.

Let's keep it friendly, folks.

I feel like there is just too much, like they tried to throw in every single thing to make it the best out there that is uber powerful and ALL wargamers should bow before it or something.

The detail is nice though.

Please don't disregard Moderator warnings. -Mannahnin

terribletrygon wrote:Please don't disregard...

Ermm....and your post is not really helping is it?

don't sweat it luna. it seems pretty clear that you're not up to shenanigans.

that said, a model that size and of that level of detail, compared strictly to GW stuff should sell for some 250 bucks.

however, since most of us are GW gamers and wouldn't have much/any use for it since it's too big for our game system (or so it appears), it kind of devalues it since many of us buy models to put them on the table, not the trophy rack.

if it was around bloodthirster size, and a good sculpt, i could see paying 100 for it. it is a beautiful model and the sculptor clearly is an individual with considerable talent, and painting a model with that level of detail would be a great deal of fun and a huge centrepiece for a chaos/deamon army.

So in this scenario, who would be designing the models you intend to sell, LunaHound?

terribletrygon wrote:Please don't disregard...

Care to explain what you are talking about?

What hole am i digging? and what exactly is the issue again?

If you can , clearly state your accusation loud and clear. If you dont, then you know what it is? its trololololling

Let this thread show the amount of trolling people can get away with. Im just glad you are the obvious one.

Not sure if this is an option for you:

If making the mould doesn't cost too much, start selling single miniatures on ebay with no fixed price and let the market decide. Maybe you can also start a discussion on the Troll Forged forum.

LunaHound wrote:

The worst thing that happened was that someone did have the information on hand concerning who made it plus revelant links. That was what started the whole snowball.

IM the one that gave the source to neconlis , granted hes the one that posted it into dakka dakka. But i was fully aware of it WILL happen as i mentioned ,
the requesting picture was named TW3 ( how i labelled it on dakka dakka ) I knew it was someone from dakka wanting to know.

This here I think was my biggest concern regarding how the responses evolved after the thread was made. As Mannahnin pointed out, there was a disconnect with the posters who thought the models were recasts/looked fishy in part due to how the thread was started. We now know that the information was made public to others, but because there was nothing on DakkaDakka that related who was the original creator, it led others to believe that the piece you posted up on DakkaDakka was amiss in some way.

WarOne wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

The worst thing that happened was that someone did have the information on hand concerning who made it plus revelant links. That was what started the whole snowball.

IM the one that gave the source to neconlis , granted hes the one that posted it into dakka dakka. But i was fully aware of it WILL happen as i mentioned ,
the requesting picture was named TW3 ( how i labelled it on dakka dakka ) I knew it was someone from dakka wanting to know.

This here I think was my biggest concern regarding how the responses evolved after the thread was made. As Mannahnin pointed out, there was a disconnect with the posters who thought the models were recasts/looked fishy in part due to how the thread was started. We now know that the information was made public to others, but because there was nothing on DakkaDakka that related who was the original creator, it led others to believe that the piece you posted up on DakkaDakka was amiss in some way.

What exactly do you want from me ?

Would it be out of place to offer a dramatic re-enactment of the side discussion in this thread between WarOne and LunaHound?

I'd like to call it, "I'm sorry I though you were the axe murderer", a play in one part.

LunaHound: "How much would people want to pay for these fine blood red axes?"
WarOne: "That blood red looks suspiciously like blood. Where'd you get your paint?"
LunaHound: "Why do you want to know about my paint?"
WarOne: "OMG, it's human blood!"
LunaHound: "OMG!!!"
WarOne: "Someone else told me it was just paint."
LunaHound: "OMG!!!!"
WarOne: "If you'd let me explain for a minute...."
LunaHound: "What more do you want from me!?!? I'm not a murderer!!"
WarOne: "Look, your red looked a little suspicious..."
[Exchange continues in a similar manner]
Audience: "..."

An incredibly useful thing for both you and WarOne to write would be, "Oh, terribly sorry for the misunderstanding," and let the matter drop.

solkan wrote: LunaHound: "What more do you want from me!?!? I'm not a murderer!!"

I like the dramatic effect you added solkan , As cute as an re-enactment would be , i rather the thread not go OT like it has been the last 2 pages lol?

I also would rather have warone himself just tell me what he wants from me? So we dont drag this to page 10 ?
I mean i dont think he needs others speaking for him not to mention it could add more confusion and understanding?

Late to the party.

It's nicely detailed and very well sculpted. At the same time, it puts 'busy' GW models to shame. Centaur body, six arms with all different weapons, wings and a head growing out of his crotch.

No... too much gak going on with that model. I'd expect it to be around the $100-$150 mark, but I wouldn't get one.

solkan wrote:An incredibly useful thing for both you and WarOne to write would be, "Oh, terribly sorry for the misunderstanding," and let the matter drop.

A solid point solkan.

I was trying to do what highlight the situation and try and give a resolution and understanding to what happened. I did not want for Lunahound to be offended or upset by my posts.

I apologize if I hurt you with these posts.

Chaos dark Eldar, its a head turner, Id pay £100 no problem. Thats £sterling

If it had some 40K friendly arms (in any sense of the word), I'd certainly consider getting one for 200USD or less. Both for 40K and Dark Heresy. But it would need more SF & less Fantasy.

Beautiful sculpt.

Looks like what I imagine Magtheridon would look like, if WoW had up to date graphics.

Paint it red and I could well see use for it as a 'Thirster.