Hi,
Sephiroth on Warseer posted this list of metal to Finecast conversions due in August:

Not sure if this qualifies enough to be 'news' or put it in GW general but I'm sure someone will want to know what to wait on or to pick up before changing to resin:

WH40K
Tyranid Venomthrope
Eldar Warp Spiders squad
Eldar Howling Banshee squad
Eldar Harlequin squad
Inquisitor Karamazov
Dark Angels Master of the Ravenwing

WHF
Dwarf Engineer w/ Great Weapon
Dwarf Thane w/ standard
Dwarf Grudge thrower
Dwarf High King Thorgrim
Lizardmen Slann Mage priest
High Elf Korhil
High Elf Prince Tyrion
Dark Elf Dreadlord on Cold One
Dark Elf War Hydra
Khorn Lord on Juggernaut
Beastmen Doombull

LotRs
Vault Warden Team
Witch King of Angmar
Dragon
Uruk-hai siege ballista
Gondor battle trebuchet

Chaos
The Changling
Greater Daemon of Khorne
Greater Daemon of Tzeentch

TheConverter15 View Post wrote:Any ideas to the release dates???

6th of August I've heard.

Still no finecast Necrons, more chance of an overhaul of sorts.

Resin Greater Daemons should be great. The Bloodthirster was one of the few models I've ever pinned.

*blink*

Does that say Dark Elf Hydra, Dreadlord on Cold One, and Dark Angels Master of the Ravenwing?

The three models I've been wanting to paint for so long but refuse to get because they're metal.

Touche, GW. Touche.

Hopefully this second wave will show a general improvement in the molding/mixing.

If not....

S_P

Space_Potato wrote:Hopefully this second wave will show a general improvement in the molding/mixing.

It's a summer release

Brace for Impact!!!



BOHICA

Meh still no Sanguinor... would finally be able to lop of that rick james head easily!

Do we have any idea on how regular these waves are going to be?

Also yay Karamazov

Here's hoping for a better second date. Just like in real life, the first one is always akward.

Khorne Lord on Juggernaut

The model that I really wanted to get, but didn't due to my dislike of large chunks of metal after the Gondor Trebuchet incident. (speaking of which... )

Interested in Inquisitor Karamazov and the Greater Daemons. Hopefully the quality gets a bit better

Hmmm... That Lord of Change is one of the few models that could get me to consider buying anything in Finecast at this point.

Well, that and Karamazov, but I already have him in metal.

Valete,

JohnS

and Dark Angels Master of the Ravenwing?

+1 for me, i really didnt want to have a metal ball for a model on a flying base, seems like a bad long term investment.

The resin Dragon will be great as that models a pain

*twiddles thumbs for Shining Spears and Swooping Hawks*

Yes, I know they're useless, but they look cool.

Looks like there might be a pair of Hydras in my future, it'll be nice to use Hydras which don't fall apart if you just look at them.

Warp Spiders? Really? I find it funny that models old enough to vote are getting the Finecast treatment.

Ooooh. Hydra.

If they get the casting issues sorted by then then I may be a very happy man. A hydra that's -not- going to be a PITA to assemble.

MajorTom11 wrote:Meh still no Sanguinor... would finally be able to lop of that rick james head easily!

yes. Sanguinor should be good. I would hate to do anything with his backpack in metal...
Now, I also want Mephiston in Finecast.. Keep on dreaming, thenoobbomb, keep on dreaming.

Khorn Lord on Juggernaut
Greater Daemon of Khorne
Greater Daemon of Tzeentch

Also, kind of glad that this release is smaller. Hopefully GW won't have to rush as much as the first batch, and the models would be higher quality.

We hope.

Brother SRM wrote:Warp Spiders? Really?

Don't care. Want some anyway.

Still no Obliberators :( -
I'm waiting for them since they were quite a pain in metal - everytime I look, another weapon breaks off or just won't stay where it's supposed to be ...

Too bad, I was really hoping for a finecast Weirdboy to replace my metal one that I destroyed :(

But.. sorry if i'm an ignorant, is resin the same as plastic?

Warnolo wrote:But.. sorry if i'm an ignorant, is resin the same as plastic?

It's a plastic, but not the same type as the kind that Tactical Marines and suchlike are made out of, which is PVC.

Come on GW, make some wraithguard

And why still no fire dragons?

Must say the Finecast Greater Daemons are calling to me.......

I'm just relieved that no more of the minis I want are going to Finecast yet

I'd be more excited about the Slann if I had the money to expand my Lizardmen army to require two. The metal one was a pain to model. They gave us a plastic rod to hold up the model, but it couldn't support it (not helped by a badly created hole that meant the flying stand didn't sit properly, but talking to other LM players I discovered it was pretty-much standard with Slann, so I decided not to return it as i'd probably just get the same issue over and over with the new model).

Now it's resin, the rod might actually stand a chance.

I'm also waiting for obliterators and wraithguard... or I was until I realised I was still going to be paying obscene prices for a single model.

Brother SRM wrote:Warp Spiders? Really? I find it funny that models old enough to vote are getting the Finecast treatment.

While I would have enjoyed plastic wraithguard, I still find comfort in metal models while the flaws in FC are still apparent.


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Kroothawk wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:Warp Spiders? Really? I find it funny that models old enough to vote are getting the Finecast treatment.

But Kroothawk, cant you see all the added details? Its the same master, but look at all the filigree and tormented faces that resin just adds to the sculpt!

The_Solitaire wrote:Come on GW, make some wraithguard

Really mate, you live in Oz by the looks of it. WG were expensive enough as it is, are you some kind of masochist?

Grimtuff wrote:

The_Solitaire wrote:Come on GW, make some wraithguard

Really mate, you live in Oz by the looks of it. WG were expensive enough as it is, are you some kind of masochist?

To GW, every Australian burns money in their heaters during winter. Pfft, it's not like they need that money anyway, in the desert.

i'm just waiting for a resin hellcannon, god i want some of those. even though they would be so out of place in my army

Brother SRM wrote:Warped Spiders? Really? I find it funny that models old enough to vote are getting the Finecast treatment.

Fixed :3

I'm going to have to pick up the Khorne Lord soon, or I'll go completely ape if the Finecast fails.

The resin war hydra sounds cool...until you realize it'll cost $60.

Wait...*checks the website*...it already does?! When did that happen?

$64.75, I'm calling it now. Anyone else wanna bet on it? Oh, and since I've been here a while to know I feel I should add this... Disclaimer: this isn't a real bet. You don't get anything for winning other than my eternal hate and contempt.

Sidstyler wrote:The resin war hydra sounds cool...until you realize it'll cost $60.

Wait...*checks the website*...it already does?! When did that happen?

Awhile ago. Have you ever tried assembling that beast in metal? The LGS I go to was working on one some time ago for a campaign game we had going--the guy said that the metal Thunderhawk back in the day was easier to assemble.

Great, so how long until plastic+metal kits are going to be re-released? XV88s and Tau commanders for example....

SickSix wrote:Great, so how long until plastic+metal kits are going to be re-released? XV88s and Tau commanders for example....

Considering that those two kits are built off a plastic base which explicitly has been named multiple times as something slated to be redone to 'better fit the Tau aesthetic'--I'd say they'll be in plastic whenever the XV8 itself is redone.

Kanluwen wrote:

SickSix wrote:Great, so how long until plastic+metal kits are going to be re-released? XV88s and Tau commanders for example....

Considering that those two kits are built off a plastic base which explicitly has been named multiple times as something slated to be redone to 'better fit the Tau aesthetic'--I'd say they'll be in plastic whenever the XV8 itself is redone.

Can I get a source where GW stated such?

Kanluwen wrote:

Sidstyler wrote:The resin war hydra sounds cool...until you realize it'll cost $60.

Wait...*checks the website*...it already does?! When did that happen?

Awhile ago. Have you ever tried assembling that beast in metal? The LGS I go to was working on one some time ago for a campaign game we had going--the guy said that the metal Thunderhawk back in the day was easier to assemble.

I bought one, yeah. Got it used at the local store for $25 IIRC, but it was so badly assembled I tore it apart with the intent of putting it all back together the right way.

And I found out why it was so badly assembled.

New crisis suits would be great, but I'm not holding my breath. Seems that GW likes to milk those plastic molds for all they're worth and the crisis suits are still fairly "new"...if the Catachans aren't getting replaced anytime soon then sadly I don't see suits getting replaced either.

Speaking of which, what's the "proper" spelling for that? Mold or mould? I've seen both and my spellchecker doesn't like the latter, so...

SickSix wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

SickSix wrote:Great, so how long until plastic+metal kits are going to be re-released? XV88s and Tau commanders for example....

Considering that those two kits are built off a plastic base which explicitly has been named multiple times as something slated to be redone to 'better fit the Tau aesthetic'--I'd say they'll be in plastic whenever the XV8 itself is redone.

Can I get a source where GW stated such?

You should know by now GW states no such thing.

However, if you want a concept example...


That's from a Games Day a few years back, when we started getting rumblings that Tau were getting a 'redesign'. The suit and the Pathfinders that accompanied it have yet to surface.


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Kanluwen wrote:

Sidstyler wrote:The resin war hydra sounds cool...until you realize it'll cost $60.

Wait...*checks the website*...it already does?! When did that happen?

Awhile ago. Have you ever tried assembling that beast in metal? The LGS I go to was working on one some time ago for a campaign game we had going--the guy said that the metal Thunderhawk back in the day was easier to assemble.

I bought one, yeah. Got it used at the local store for $25 IIRC, but it was so badly assembled I tore it apart with the intent of putting it all back together the right way.

And I found out why it was so badly assembled.

Yeah. That thing is freaking terribad in metal. Resin, I think I can do something beautiful with it.
Might have to save up money for a bit to get it, but hey

New crisis suits would be great, but I'm not holding my breath. Seems that GW likes to milk those plastic molds for all they're worth and the crisis suits are still fairly "new"...if the Catachans aren't getting replaced anytime soon then sadly I don't see suits getting replaced either.

Problem is Catachans would require a 'significant investiture of resources' since they're a core troops choice and the Cadians are clearly the better seller as it stands.

Might also simply be a case of they want to let the stock of the current Catachans get to a critical level before they 'redo' Catachans' core troops to match the heavy weapons teams and command squad, y'know?

Speaking of which, what's the "proper" spelling for that? Mold or mould? I've seen both and my spellchecker doesn't like the latter, so...

Our spellcheckers are American. They always dislike the Anglo 'I added a 'u' to my statement because I'm fancy' way of spelling things.

Sidstyler wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Sidstyler wrote:The resin war hydra sounds cool...until you realize it'll cost $60.

Wait...*checks the website*...it already does?! When did that happen?

Awhile ago. Have you ever tried assembling that beast in metal? The LGS I go to was working on one some time ago for a campaign game we had going--the guy said that the metal Thunderhawk back in the day was easier to assemble.

I bought one, yeah. Got it used at the local store for $25 IIRC, but it was so badly assembled I tore it apart with the intent of putting it all back together the right way.

And I found out why it was so badly assembled.

New crisis suits would be great, but I'm not holding my breath. Seems that GW likes to milk those plastic molds for all they're worth and the crisis suits are still fairly "new"...if the Catachans aren't getting replaced anytime soon then sadly I don't see suits getting replaced either.

Speaking of which, what's the "proper" spelling for that? Mold or mould? I've seen both and my spellchecker doesn't like the latter, so...

Mould is the European English spelling. Mold is American English. Like tire and tyre or color and colour.

is getting a bloodthirster for a wedding present.

... and daemonettes as bridesmaids
Have you thoroughly checked the familiar background of your fiancée

Still waiting for Obliterators.........

Woot for giant resin chicken!

Arses,

Just ordered 5 Venomthropes not the other day. Bah, bah and thrice bah!

Resin Hydra! But no GUO....

I demand a Hive Tyrant!

Nice that the harlequins are getting it, since the Shadowseer already did.

No death jester thought, right? Hmm... I dont like to mix units of different materials, maybe that's OCD, but...

Mr Nobody wrote:I demand a Hive Tyrant!

One is currently out.....
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat630002a&prodId=prod1160115a

RiTides wrote:Nice that the harlequins are getting it, since the Shadowseer already did.

No death jester thought, right? Hmm... I dont like to mix units of different materials, maybe that's OCD, but...

death jester is already resin

the reason there are no crons is because they are getting a redo in september or late august. the finecast models will probably be released with them.

Tzeentchling9 wrote:

Mr Nobody wrote:I demand a Hive Tyrant!

One is currently out.....
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat630002a&prodId=prod1160115a

Oh good, I missed that.

Kroothawk wrote:... and daemonettes as bridesmaids
Have you thoroughly checked the familiar background of your fiancée

LOL She's a Bretonian painter. In a heavy pink theme.

Some interesting choices here- the LOTR Dragon would be a lot easier to put together in Resin, but there again, there's a lot of nice dragon miniatures out there...

Mr Mystery wrote:Arses,
Just ordered 5 Venomthropes not the other day. Bah, bah and thrice bah!

Be glad that you don't have to glue the snapped tentacles after each game

grak wrote:Still no finecast Necrons, more chance of an overhaul of sorts.

I'm not expecting any Necrons being done in FC until after the new models are released.

THEY NEED TO RESIN-IFY BROADSIDES!!!!!!!!!!

THEY ARE THE MOST INCREDIBLY ANNOYING MODELS IN THE WORLD!!!!

I'D HATE THEM IF THEY WEREN'T SO DAMN USEFUL!

CAPS=RAAAAAAAAAAAGE

Buy Forge World or wait for the next Codex release.

FW is stupidly expensive. Normally it makes sense because their models are soooooooo much better than GW, but all that's different here is the position of the guns for a much higher price.

I am stuck between a rock and a hard place-horrible quality or horrible price...

im2randomghgh wrote:FW is stupidly expensive. Normally it makes sense because their models are soooooooo much better than GW, but all that's different here is the position of the guns for a much higher price.

I am stuck between a rock and a hard place-horrible quality or horrible price...

FW are cheaper than GW now, buy buy buy

im2randomghgh wrote:FW is stupidly expensive. Normally it makes sense because their models are soooooooo much better than GW, but all that's different here is the position of the guns for a much higher price.

I am stuck between a rock and a hard place-horrible quality or horrible price...

I'd disagree with you on the 'all that's different is the position of the guns'. The FW Broadside has all the lines of the XV-89 suit, but with Broadside guns.

I do know that look doesn't appeal to everyone though. But if it were me--I'd be getting the XV-89s and Broadsides from FW anyways.

im2randomghgh wrote:FW is stupidly expensive. Normally it makes sense because their models are soooooooo much better than GW, but all that's different here is the position of the guns for a much higher price.

I can't follow you:

£ 18.50


£28.60


I think, it's worth the extra 10 £, esp. as the new model usually is more expensive.

They won't 'Finecost' the Broadsides because they are a hybrid kit, and GW is eliminating hybrid kits from the range. The next time Broadsides get a release will be when they go all plastic during the next Tau Codex release cycle.

im2randomghgh wrote:FW is stupidly expensive. Normally it makes sense because their models are soooooooo much better than GW, but all that's different here is the position of the guns for a much higher price.

You'll be paying even more (yes, for those pin-tastic models which already make you cry superglue) for Finecast Broadsides. A resin/plastic hybrid of that sort of scale is simply stupid, the feet would be resin, meaning it would constantly pop off the base if dropped/knocked unless you pinned them in which case: why did you buy finecast if you still have the pin the goddam thing?

That said, I do not believe there is a crime bad enough to warrant having to put together XV89 suits. I'll stick with my metal broadsides for now (and my metal Farsight - I think the WIP pictures for the 'new' Farsight look like crap).

I just... spent... a week.

A WEEK..

Slaving over this metal Bloodthirster.

RAAAGEEE!

I suppose I don't own a Lord of Change yet...

Khorne Lord on Jugger is a good model too.

Where's my Fiends of Slaanesh dag it!?

Ehsteve wrote: why did you buy finecast if you still have the pin the goddam thing?

More detail and much lighter so it won't break as easily?

Popping off bases isn't really a problem and a five minute pinjob isn't the end of the frigging world. I've been throwing around my assembled and unpinned Finecasts as a joke. The Terror of Arnor even - they just bounce.

I'm really pleased to hear that the Hydra could be in the next lot! Just recently I was discussing the possibilities for this model - the reposable heads are the most exciting prospect.

Nothing on the horizon for Imperial Guard?

Did I miss something, or is there no word on that at the moment?

Arctik_Firangi wrote:

Ehsteve wrote: why did you buy finecast if you still have the pin the goddam thing?

More detail and much lighter so it won't break as easily?

Okay here's the issue: The resin foot is attached to a minature ballsocket joint connected to the ankle of the leg which is roughly 3mm to 4mm thick near the joint.

You can try to superglue that joint, but you'll get the same issue as metal: broken ankle joints, models constantly popping off the base. There are some things Tau players go through that no other players should have to suffer.

You can try pinning the joint, that involves a pin 1mm in diameter throught a 3mm thick joint which has to continue to the knee joint in order to make a firm connection so the ankle doesn't snap (about 1" to the knee from the ankle). Resin might help, but the extra price is not worth the many, many issues that kit already has that even resin cannot solve. Do this for a squad of 3 broadsides and you will know all hope is lost.

I'm perfectly fine with complete resin kits in the finecast range (I've got a techmarine and servitor set I'm very content with), but it would be extra cost for minimal benefit in the case of the XV88 Broadside Battlesuit.

Kroothawk wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:FW is stupidly expensive. Normally it makes sense because their models are soooooooo much better than GW, but all that's different here is the position of the guns for a much higher price.

I can't follow you:

£ 18.50


£28.60


I think, it's worth the extra 10 £, esp. as the new model usually is more expensive.

I think I'm in love.

I hadn't clicked the picture, so only saw the small thing and assumed it was pretty much the same.

WHERES MY ORK RESIN DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

KingCracker wrote:WHERES MY ORK RESIN DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

All my Tau got was resin ethereals and resin sniper teams. Great, two units that are rarely ever worth anything are slightly less awful from a non-rule standpoint. yay./sarcasm

Brother SRM wrote:Warp Spiders? Really? I find it funny that models old enough to vote are getting the Finecast treatment.

Bump. I'd really like to see those models replaced. Plastic kit maybe....yeah!

As far as the others, Master oT Ravenwing I wouldn't mind having in resin....so long as the quality issues I been hearing about are addressed. Cause right now he's one heavy metal, lighter resin may be a good thing.

Banshee's...meh, I'm on the fence. Nothing wrong with the metals and I've got a few anyways, but resin may be easier to clean up.

Does anyone else have a problem with the bottom halves of the quins....as in they really suck and are crappy attempts at portraying movement? I'd like to see a redux on them.

And the Venomthrope....I've got a couple of those in the works right now....they'd be good in resin, not falling over and busting a tenticle out of its socket.

It's too bad that FineCost isn't any sort of revamp, only a different material...it's like I kind of want to be excited, but no.

My 2c's -MightyG

My issue with Warp Spiders is it would be a great opportunity for new models, even if it was in Finecast instead of metal or plastic. Just surprises me that they're getting that treatment. Abbadon makes a bit more sense since he's a character and characters don't get resculpts all that often, so Finecasting his old goofy model makes more sense to me.

Good point. When's the last time a 40K character got a re-sculpt? Calgar?


And it's a damned shame GW finally decided to release Karazamov in a material I'd consider putting together. Pity I can't get it here for a reasonable un-inflated price... ah well.

I thought Lemartes was one of the most recent.

The slann mage priest would be fantastic in resin. Why? Because the model has to be suspended on a flying stand which was previously metal. Now I won't have to worry about double stands or redrilling in order to make sure it's supported correctly. That and no more heavy metal weighing down my case.

That and I really want to see that resin Juggernaut and that ravenwing jetbike, more convertable than ever before!

H.B.M.C. wrote:They won't 'Finecost' the Broadsides because they are a hybrid kit, and GW is eliminating hybrid kits from the range. The next time Broadsides get a release will be when they go all plastic during the next Tau Codex release cycle.

Hive Tyrant was in the first wave. It's a hybrid kit. There's even a shot of it in the new white dwarf with the plastic arms attached to the new resin model.

Was waiting for a Resin Hydra... =D

Still waiting for my Resin Malekith... and Cauldron... and... well... you get the point.

-Loki- wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:They won't 'Finecost' the Broadsides because they are a hybrid kit, and GW is eliminating hybrid kits from the range. The next time Broadsides get a release will be when they go all plastic during the next Tau Codex release cycle.

Hive Tyrant was in the first wave. It's a hybrid kit. There's even a shot of it in the new white dwarf with the plastic arms attached to the new resin model.

Epic hoof-in-mouth!

That Hive Tyrant was a good call by GW... that was an absolute nightmare assembly.

Turalon wrote:Nothing on the horizon for Imperial Guard?

Did I miss something, or is there no word on that at the moment?

Other than the Lord Commissar and Yarrick in the first wave, it doesn't look like it.

They might be gearing up for a big Imperial Guard rerelease, with finecast sets for the old metal ranges.

Maybe GW thinks that will stop all the calls for plastic Greatcoat/Winter/Desert guard.

-Loki- wrote:Hive Tyrant was in the first wave. It's a hybrid kit. There's even a shot of it in the new white dwarf with the plastic arms attached to the new resin model.

You've heard the phrase 'exception to the rule', yes? The Hive Tyrant is two pieces that are plastic and the plastic isn't required. The Broadside cannot function as a non-hybrid kit because it's mostly plastic. It'll be back, but like the Heavy Destroyer, it'll be a full plastic kit, not a re-done hybrid.

As for battle suits I'm waiting to see if battle suits go down to $45 for 3 or remain at a ludicrous $25 for 1. If they don't I really don't see many people starting Tau.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

-Loki- wrote:Hive Tyrant was in the first wave. It's a hybrid kit. There's even a shot of it in the new white dwarf with the plastic arms attached to the new resin model.

You've heard the phrase 'exception to the rule', yes? The Hive Tyrant is two pieces that are plastic and the plastic isn't required. The Broadside cannot function as a non-hybrid kit because it's mostly plastic. It'll be back, but like the Heavy Destroyer, it'll be a full plastic kit, not a re-done hybrid.

So arms aren't required for a legal model?

The plastic most definitely is required - a set of plastic arms has to be used. Only the bonesword/lashwhip arms were metal. It cannot function as a Hive Tyrant without the plastic parts.

While I agree it's an exception and most of the model is metal, it also means ruling out any hybrid kits is a bit stupid. If GW see the demand, they'll release it because it'll sell before they announce a month later the actual plastic.

Actually, i'd say that's why the 7 day limit on new release news was implemented. They can release old Finecast models, have the unknowing snap them up since they son't want those in metal, then quickly release the new all plastic version that is better, and people will probably grab the new plastic as well.

-Loki- wrote:So arms aren't required for a legal model?

Yep. They're not required at all. Neither are the legs. Nor the head. The tail though, you need that. Totally illegal without the tail.

The hive tyrant seems like more of an exception because it uses generic tyrannic MC sprues. I could see hybrid kits happening for CSM if all of the cult marine boxes geat recut and fine cast, with a chaos arm sprue being common across plague marines, thousand sons, and chaos space marine boxes.

Brother SRM wrote: Abbadon makes a bit more sense since he's a character and characters don't get resculpts all that often, so Finecasting his old goofy model makes more sense to me.

Unless it's a SM character.

Lemartes. Tigurius. Calgar and Njal got Terminator armoured new sculpts.

Abbadon has needed a resculpt for a while simply because his scale is just off compared to current Terminators. The amount of Chaos Lord conversion Abbadons that we've seen sort of testifies to this.

ph34r wrote:The hive tyrant seems like more of an exception because it uses generic tyrannic MC sprues. I could see hybrid kits happening for CSM if all of the cult marine boxes geat recut and fine cast, with a chaos arm sprue being common across plague marines, thousand sons, and chaos space marine boxes.

That makes "Finecast" even more of a fail if they have to include generic plastic parts; these are supposed to be the finest, highest quality miniatures you ever did see, but now with added crappy plastic parts included, and still at the over-inflated price.

ph34r wrote:The hive tyrant seems like more of an exception because it uses generic tyrannic MC sprues. I could see hybrid kits happening for CSM if all of the cult marine boxes geat recut and fine cast, with a chaos arm sprue being common across plague marines, thousand sons, and chaos space marine boxes.

I agree. I can see them doing that for the Cult Troops as well, 'cept the Plague Marines - they're metal (or were metal, now they're Finecost) - no plastic beyond the backpacks and bases.

But for the 1KSons and Noise Marines, it could work. Hell they might even put a few more sonic weapons in the bo... ahahahah! Nope, couldn't finish that sentence with a straight face.


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DarkStarSabre wrote:Lemartes. Tigurius. Calgar and Njal got Terminator armoured new sculpts.

Ah! Yes. Njal and Lemartes. I knew there were more recent Marine resculpts.

DarkStarSabre wrote:Abbadon has needed a resculpt for a while simply because his scale is just off compared to current Terminators. The amount of Chaos Lord conversion Abbadons that we've seen sort of testifies to this.

Agree here as well. Abaddon, more than anyone, needs a resculpt. He needs to be remade into the Master of Chaos and not the Failbaddon he current is. Well, him an the Eldar Avatar. That needs a new model as well.


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farmersboy wrote:That makes "Finecast" even more of a fail if they have to include generic plastic parts; these are supposed to be the finest, highest quality miniatures you ever did see, but now with added crappy plastic parts included, and still at the over-inflated price.

Now, now, now. I'll always be first in line to rag on GW, but only when it's warranted, so let's dial back the knee-jerking and take a look at the Hive Tyrant before Finecost came about. The Hive Tyrant came with plastic parts before Finecost, so it's really no surprise that he comes with them now. Without them he'd only come with two arms, and that'd suck.

If you look at the Plague Marine picture on the GW homepage, you can see that the mixture between plastic and resin is exactly the same as it was with metal - all but one backpack are generic CSM plastic parts ... I expect nothing else for the Thousand Sons and the Noise Marines - resin bodies instead of metal, and plastic arms / weapons.

Ashrag wrote:If you look at the Plague Marine picture on the GW homepage, you can see that the mixture between plastic and resin is exactly the same as it was with metal - all but one backpack are generic CSM plastic parts ... I expect nothing else for the Thousand Sons and the Noise Marines - resin bodies instead of metal, and plastic arms / weapons.

You're not saying that these Plague Marines have plastic bodies plastic everything else, are you?

H.B.M.C. wrote:Agree here as well. Abaddon, more than anyone, needs a resculpt. He needs to be remade into the Master of Chaos and not the Failbaddon he current is. Well, him an the Eldar Avatar. That needs a new model as well.

Another comparison of 'old models' of a similar range (no mention of Ragnar Blackmane here - awful model. Awful) is the Phoenix Lords.

In the current range I think it's CSMs and Eldar that have the oldest things going toe to toe (Chaos Dreadnought, Abaddon, Fabius Bile, Kharn against Phoenix Lords, Eldrad, Avatar and Warp Spiders)...but unlike the Phoenix Lords...Abaddon certainly isn't iconic. The Phoenix Lords compare well to the 2nd edition, 3rd edition and 4th edition Aspect Warriors and have a fair bit of dynamic to their pose. Abaddon? No. He's out of scale. The similarity to Chaos Terminators certainly is little more and his pose is just...plain. Even twisting his arm around improves the pose vastly.

At least the Eldar have a FW Avatar as an option...

Ragnar, original PA Njal, Ulrik and Bjorn are the oldest. The Space Wolf Codex was the first Codex GW ever produced - the very first 2nd Ed one. Eldrad, the Avatar, Warp Spiders, Wraithguard and the Phoenix Lords are next (as Codex Eldar was second, Orks third, and so on).

The thing is... do we really want a new Eldrad/Phoenix Lords? They're still great models. They're very '2D' in the sense that their detail is mostly flat across one plane (two-part spin-casting has its downsides I 'spose), but they're really beautiful Jes Goodwin models. I'd hate to see them go.

Putting Abaddon on a 40mm base helps. Even the old metal Loyalist Terminators look bigger on a bigger base. But you're right, he needs an upscale to be as big as his brethren (no way Grimnar should be bigger than him!).

farmersboy wrote:
these are supposed to be the finest, highest quality plastic parts you ever did see, but now with added crappy, miscast resin torsos included, and still at the over-inflated price.

Fixed that for you

H.B.M.C. wrote:Ragnar, original PA Njal, Ulrik and Bjorn are the oldest. The Space Wolf Codex was the first Codex GW ever produced - the very first 2nd Ed one. Eldrad, the Avatar, Warp Spiders, Wraithguard and the Phoenix Lords are next (as Codex Eldar was second, Orks third, and so on).

You're right. I forgot the Pooches. But again - Ulrik is superb. Bjorn - well, yes. Again, FW options there - the SW Ven Dread is beautiful and could easily be a Bjorn stand-in.

Not sure there are any 2nd ed. Orks remaining apart from the War Buggy.

The thing is... do we really want a new Eldrad/Phoenix Lords? They're still great models. They're very '2D' in the sense that their detail is mostly flat across one plane (two-part spin-casting has its downsides I 'spose), but they're really beautiful Jes Goodwin models. I'd hate to see them go.

Exactly my point. They're iconic and they maintain their dynamics even now. Ulrik is an example of this. Heck, from the CSM range Kharn is an example of this!

Putting Abaddon on a 40mm base helps. Even the old metal Loyalist Terminators look bigger on a bigger base. But you're right, he needs an upscale to be as big as his brethren (no way Grimnar should be bigger than him!).

I almost got to thinking about the possibilities for converting Grimnar to be an Abaddon

DarkStarSabre wrote:You're right. I forgot the Pooches. But again - Ulrik is superb. Bjorn - well, yes. Again, FW options there - the SW Ven Dread is beautiful and could easily be a Bjorn stand-in.

I have one of the original Bjorns (in lead - damn is he heavy!), and he's a very nice model even today. Completely unnecessary in this plastic day and age, but a nice model just the same.

DarkStarSabre wrote:Not sure there are any 2nd ed. Orks remaining apart from the War Buggy.

*wracks brain*

They don't sell Wortsnagger or whatever that Special Character Runtherd is called any more do they... there are, I think, some of the Gorkamorka Spanna Boyz still floating around, but they're late late 2nd Ed. No... the Buggy's it I think. I miss Makari.

Exactly my point. They're iconic and they maintain their dynamics even now. Ulrik is an example of this. Heck, from the CSM range Kharn is an example of this!

Yes Kharn is another good example. Completely flat, but great looking. I'd rank Ahriman even higher than him actually - with a good paintjob Ahriman can be spectacular. We neither want nor need new ones of these. Ragnar... yeah... he could do with an upgrade, but not quite to the Extreme Rob Liefeld-esque manner that, say, this guy or this guy are.

I almost got to thinking about the possibilities for converting Grimnar to be an Abaddon

Could always track down the old Forge World huge-scale Abaddon. He'd fit.

KingCracker wrote:WHERES MY ORK RESIN DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

50-61 ORK WARBOSS WITH ATTACK SQUIG £14.50
50-63 ORK BIG MEK £14.50
50-65 ORK PAINBOY WITH GROT ORDERLY £10.50
50-43 BOSS ZAGSTRUK £14.50
50-40 GHAZGHKULL THRAKA £22.50
50-41 ORK TANKBUSTAS £25.50
50-42 ORK BIG MEK WITH SHOKK ATTACK GUN £23.00

Getting the biggest first wave release and still not happy

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Now, now, now. I'll always be first in line to rag on GW, but only when it's warranted, so let's dial back the knee-jerking and take a look at the Hive Tyrant before Finecost came about. The Hive Tyrant came with plastic parts before Finecost, so it's really no surprise that he comes with them now. Without them he'd only come with two arms, and that'd suck.

With the prices they are charging and the claims they are making I don't think that is acceptable; what's the point of having most of a figure in such "amzing detail" and then having arms, backpack, weapons etc in noticably inferior plastic?

Because the plastic isn't noticeably inferior? This plastic parts aren't new, y'know, they've been around since the Carnifex and Hive Tyrant came out.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Ashrag wrote:If you look at the Plague Marine picture on the GW homepage, you can see that the mixture between plastic and resin is exactly the same as it was with metal - all but one backpack are generic CSM plastic parts ... I expect nothing else for the Thousand Sons and the Noise Marines - resin bodies instead of metal, and plastic arms / weapons.

You're not saying that these Plague Marines have plastic bodies plastic everything else, are you?

Sorry if my post wasn't clear H.B.M.C, they changed all the metal parts of the Plague Marines from metal to resin, but left the plastic alone. in effect you get a box with Plague Marines (all fully made from resin), one resin backpack and all other backpacks (6 I think) are the standard CSM pastic parts.

Thats what I expect them to do with the other special Chaos Marines - switch from metal to resin, but leave all the plastic parts just as they were.

Right, sorry, I thought you were saying that they were plastic/metal hybrids rather than being full metal torsos/arms/etc. (well they are hybrids, kinda, with the backpacks, but it's always been that way for metal Chaos Marines).

Is somebody seriously complaining that the Hive Tyrant has plastic arms and a resin body? Who gives a god damn? It'll actually glue together now so I don't see anything to complain about.

Nah that's cool, i didn't want Wraithguard anyway...

Orc Warboss on Wyvern is also a hybrid kit that was redone in resin, but still has plastic wings.

Because the wings were made universal because it's easier to mount plastic wings than metal ones.

Come on people - we know GW are removing hybrid kits from the line, and you all know what I mean by hybrid kits (old metal/plastic Land Speeders, Land Raider Crusader, and so on).

Well let's hope the second round of resin models are a LOT better than the first lot!

Resin fixes everything (except price).

For any of the resin haters (there don't seem to be any in this particular thread), notice how Forge World, which makes considerably high-end models, has always used resin? yeah, that.

Resin is the best, followed (at some distance) by plastic, then etched brass (I know it's not for models, but it's better than normal details), then metal (which is awful and shouldn't have been started).

At this point I am posting simply to post. In case you didn't figure it out.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Because the wings were made universal because it's easier to mount plastic wings than metal ones.

Come on people - we know GW are removing hybrid kits from the line, and you all know what I mean by hybrid kits (old metal/plastic Land Speeders, Land Raider Crusader, and so on).

I'm fairly positive that those wings are not universal, they are only used on that Wyvern.

Do you have a source that claims that all hybrid kits will be retired?

nectarprime wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Because the wings were made universal because it's easier to mount plastic wings than metal ones.

Come on people - we know GW are removing hybrid kits from the line, and you all know what I mean by hybrid kits (old metal/plastic Land Speeders, Land Raider Crusader, and so on).

I'm fairly positive that those wings are not universal, they are only used on that Wyvern.

Do you have a source that claims that all hybrid kits will be retired?

Hybrid kits have been getting retired for quite awhile. They don't like producing them, we don't like building them.

nectarprime wrote:I'm fairly positive that those wings are not universal, they are only used on that Wyvern.

Actually, they were used quite frequently.

The old metal High Elf, Dark Elf and Wood Elf dragons all used those wings as did the DoW dragon.

The Vampire Counts Zombie Dragon uses those wings.

The Dark Elf Manticore uses those wings as does Malekith.

The old Dark Pegasus used them as well.

Wulfen Andy wrote:Well let's hope the second round of resin models are a LOT better than the first lot!

Frankly that's a lot of the vocal minority showing off bad casts. Most Finecast stuff is, well, fine. The Finecast stuff at my FLGS is gorgeous, as it is at a lot of other gamestores. In time it would only make sense for GW to learn the ins and outs of casting in resin, so I can only see it improving from here.

im2randomghgh wrote:Resin fixes everything (except price).

For any of the resin haters (there don't seem to be any in this particular thread), notice how Forge World, which makes considerably high-end models, has always used resin? yeah, that.

Resin is the best, followed (at some distance) by plastic, then etched brass (I know it's not for models, but it's better than normal details), then metal (which is awful and shouldn't have been started).

At this point I am posting simply to post. In case you didn't figure it out.

People constantly complain about Forge World's quality, actually...

'Resin' seems to be a catch-all for a lot of different specific forumals and processes. There's good resin and bad resin.

But you're posting for people that aren't here, and by your own admission only posting for the sake of posting, so I don't expect this to spawn a discussion.

nectarprime wrote:Do you have a source that claims that all hybrid kits will be retired?

They are already retired to mail order only. And I am not aware of any new hybrid kits for several years now.

Balance wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:Resin fixes everything (except price).

For any of the resin haters (there don't seem to be any in this particular thread), notice how Forge World, which makes considerably high-end models, has always used resin? yeah, that.

Resin is the best, followed (at some distance) by plastic, then etched brass (I know it's not for models, but it's better than normal details), then metal (which is awful and shouldn't have been started).

At this point I am posting simply to post. In case you didn't figure it out.

People constantly complain about Forge World's quality, actually...

'Resin' seems to be a catch-all for a lot of different specific forumals and processes. There's good resin and bad resin.

But you're posting for people that aren't here, and by your own admission only posting for the sake of posting, so I don't expect this to spawn a discussion.

But it's SOOO much better. Did you see the broadside comparison pictures Kroothawk posted earlier?

Kroothawk wrote:

KingCracker wrote:WHERES MY ORK RESIN DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

50-61 ORK WARBOSS WITH ATTACK SQUIG £14.50
50-63 ORK BIG MEK £14.50
50-65 ORK PAINBOY WITH GROT ORDERLY £10.50
50-43 BOSS ZAGSTRUK £14.50
50-40 GHAZGHKULL THRAKA £22.50
50-41 ORK TANKBUSTAS £25.50
50-42 ORK BIG MEK WITH SHOKK ATTACK GUN £23.00

Getting the biggest first wave release and still not happy

Would it have hurt to sneak in the Meganobz? No exactly!

Thraka practically begs for them.

H.B.M.C. wrote:The thing is... do we really want a new Eldrad/Phoenix Lords? They're still great models. They're very '2D' in the sense that their detail is mostly flat across one plane (two-part spin-casting has its downsides I 'spose), but they're really beautiful Jes Goodwin models. I'd hate to see them go.

I don't know man. Well I cannot deny that they're pretty good, the industry has come a hell of a long way since their original conception. I like Jain Zar and Eldrad, but really most of those other Phoenix Lords can go to the archive pages. The 2D detail bugs and some of those guys seems out of scale or outlandish. I would absolutely love to see new models for the Lords. I think such a better job could be done particularly on Asurmen, Fuegan, Baharroth, Kharandras (Maugen-Ra I would simply like to see a little bigger, happy with Eldrad and Jain). Think about the difference between the old Marneus Calgar and the new old. I'd love to see that kind of changing of the guard.

I hope GW sees fits to do a set of resculpts on the Lords in the near future.

-MightyG

Brother SRM wrote:

Wulfen Andy wrote:Well let's hope the second round of resin models are a LOT better than the first lot!

Frankly that's a lot of the vocal minority showing off bad casts. Most Finecast stuff is, well, fine. The Finecast stuff at my FLGS is gorgeous, as it is at a lot of other gamestores. In time it would only make sense for GW to learn the ins and outs of casting in resin, so I can only see it improving from here.

The internet is awesome at magnifying the vocal minority.

It only takes a few people to post bad pictures of Finecast models, and they get linked to pretty much every 40k forum in existence. Those few models are held up as the 'standard', and anyone upset with the change, regardless of wether they've bought a Finecast model or not, will show those pictures off as why its bad. And it just, for some reason, seems really bad. You see 5 people post bad pictures, and you think the sky is falling. Then think about how many models have been actually sold compared to how many original, not hotlinked from another forum, images of bad models are being shown around.

Now, obviously some people are getting bad casts, or there wouldn't be pictures of them floating around. But the internet is just a great place to magnify something bad. The issue with miscasts is not as bad as the internet wants you to think.

Also - miscasts do happen with metal. Still. People just aren't pissed off with metal, and it doesn't have the 'perfect casting material!' hype and marketing behind it.

Small addition: Seems like we get some metal to finecast models also in July: Lammasu, Great Taurus, Dark Emissary, Truthsayer, Fenbeast and Cold One, all fitting for Storm of Magic. So August will technically be the third wave.

Kroothawk wrote:Small addition: Seems like we get some metal to finecast models also in July: Lammasu, Taurus and other monsters fitting for Storm of Magic. So August will technically be the third wave.

Are we talking the original Chaos Dwarf Lammasu and Taurus?

I love those old models!

Is it only metal kits currently turning to finecast?
Is Finecast "better" than plastic? Holds more detail, etc?
I can see moving heavy metal kits to resin since the casts have the potential to improve, but with the already plastic kits, wha?

Spiznet wrote:Is it only metal kits currently turning to finecast?
Is Finecast "better" than plastic? Holds more detail, etc?
I can see moving heavy metal kits to resin since the casts have the potential to improve, but with the already plastic kits, wha?

In answer to your questions:

a) Metal and metal hybrid kits
b) 'Better' is a bit of a subjective word - it depends on opinion; some think yes, others not. Cheaper material, definitely . Finecast has been marketed by GW as having sharper details - since the Finecast moulds are made from the metal masters, there is no 'extra' detail or resculpting going on but supposedly the details are clearer. There have been numerous threads on Dakka detailing this; again, opinion is divided as to whether the claims are true or not.
c) Not sure where you got this idea that plastic models are being produced in Finecast - that wouldn't make any sense at all given the large costs involved in producing plastic injection moulds. Have you got any examples?

I thought the Vanguard Veterans and/ or Sternguard Veterans were plastic, but could be wrong.

So- no plastic kits gone to Finecast, makes sense.
Thanks!!

Nope those are/were metal I believe, but I am sure someone can confirm that.

Commoncommoncommon Wraithguard for the 3rd Wave!

Very happy with my Finecast purchases so far, but goddamn I really want some resin Wraithguard...

Kroothawk wrote:

Mr Mystery wrote:Arses,
Just ordered 5 Venomthropes not the other day. Bah, bah and thrice bah!

Be glad that you don't have to glue the snapped tentacles after each game

I'd just be happy if the sodding things didn't just drop off like a Leper falling down the stairs!

Will have a chinwag with local manager, see if I'll be able to swapsy unopened blisters for the Finecast when it comes out. I know some people have issues with it, but it's been a godsend for us Niddlydiddlies. Put together my Hive Tyrant in 15 minutes, including clean up!




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filbert wrote:

Spiznet wrote:Is it only metal kits currently turning to finecast?
Is Finecast "better" than plastic? Holds more detail, etc?
I can see moving heavy metal kits to resin since the casts have the potential to improve, but with the already plastic kits, wha?

In answer to your questions:

a) Metal and metal hybrid kits
b) 'Better' is a bit of a subjective word - it depends on opinion; some think yes, others not. Cheaper material, definitely . Finecast has been marketed by GW as having sharper details - since the Finecast moulds are made from the metal masters, there is no 'extra' detail or resculpting going on but supposedly the details are clearer. There have been numerous threads on Dakka detailing this; again, opinion is divided as to whether the claims are true or not.
c) Not sure where you got this idea that plastic models are being produced in Finecast - that wouldn't make any sense at all given the large costs involved in producing plastic injection moulds. Have you got any examples?

Will comment on this in the next couple of days once I've obtained my Wracks. I think they're purpose designed for Finecast, rather than a metal adaptation.

Flashman wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:Small addition: Seems like we get some metal to finecast models also in July: Lammasu, Taurus and other monsters fitting for Storm of Magic. So August will technically be the third wave.

Are we talking the original Chaos Dwarf Lammasu and Taurus?

Yepp, afraid so. Cheap rerelease. Actually those models are not that bad, better than the new manticore

MIKEtheMERCILESS wrote:Commoncommoncommon Wraithguard for the 3rd Wave!
Very happy with my Finecast purchases so far, but goddamn I really want some resin Wraithguard...

I want them not to do Finecast Wraithguard, because I want them to have the plastic Wraithguard ready for release.
(before you speculate: I know nothing about plastic Wraithguard, but they are candidate #1 on Eldar wish lists)

Mr Mystery wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:

Mr Mystery wrote:Arses,
Just ordered 5 Venomthropes not the other day. Bah, bah and thrice bah!

Be glad that you don't have to glue the snapped tentacles after each game

I'd just be happy if the sodding things didn't just drop off like a Leper falling down the stairs!

Use 2part epoxy glue for metal: No problem. Even my old metal gargoyles never fell apart.

Plastic / Resin Eldar anything is on my want list.

Not that I'm into carrying my whole army around - but when I pick up two full GW cases of metal Eldar, it feels like my arms are going to fall off (not really, but they're heavy).

I was hoping for more SM finecast soon.... oh well

Harlies in finecast, WHOOP WHOOP!!!!! Been waiting for them to get my themed Eldar army going (P&M blog to follow ) But banshees and spiders over fire dragons, meh!

Ashrag wrote:Still no Obliberators :( -
I'm waiting for them since they were quite a pain in metal - everytime I look, another weapon breaks off or just won't stay where it's supposed to be ...

So so very true, i run 6 of the buggers, 2 are finished due to the pain of them being metal.

The Albion models in Finecast hey? Awesome!

I still have my copy of Dark Shadows I got free with WD from years yonder.

The rest of the Fantasy Warriors of Chaos god specific exalted champions and sorcerors should be released as they are useful for conversions for not just WOC but for Chaos Astartes too... And personally I really want the slaanesh champion so I can cut it up and use the parts for three different models

The moulds are the same for the finecasat models, so the pieces they come into are the same as well, correct?
If so I forsee quite a few jetbikes coming to my White Scars soon /cackle

N'Ferno wrote:The moulds are the same for the finecasat models, so the pieces they come into are the same as well, correct?
If so I forsee quite a few jetbikes coming to my White Scars soon /cackle

Yes they use the same moulds but some of the models are noticeably more detailed as resin is better at filling fine details during the casting process. Compare a resin Abaddon and a metal one to see the difference.

SonicPara wrote:Yes they use the same moulds but some of the models are noticeably more detailed as resin is better at filling fine details during the casting process. Compare a resin Abaddon and a metal one to see the difference.

I was referring to Sammael still (hopefully) being separate bits so I can easily replace him with a more White Scarish driver without extensive modding (even though the finecast resin is easy to work with, I just don't feel confortable cutting through models like that...yet ).

N'Ferno wrote:The moulds are the same for the finecasat models, so the pieces they come into are the same as well, correct?
If so I forsee quite a few jetbikes coming to my White Scars soon /cackle

Seems like they use the same machines, but need to make new moulds from the same masters.

The Ravenwing jetbike is very special and individual, not very good to have more than once. Have you considered using the much cheaper Kromlech jetbike?
http://cgi.ebay.com/Kromlech-Iron-Shark-Pattern-Assault-Jetbike-/150593603790?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item23101408ce

Just tried to order some stock for my store from Games Workshop on Saturday - I couldn't get a single metal blister in, they've stopped shipping them because everything's going to resin in time. So either stock up on metals, or wait it out. I'm probably going to have to reduce all of my blisters eventually but I look forward to some nice light Wraithguard. Not sure about metal box sets yet.

All metal models (including hybrids, blisters and boxes) are now mail order only. GW stores even had to send all their stock back. No FLGS is allowed to restock mail order only things, but can of course sell his stock (no option to send it back for them). Some stores including GW stores can special order mail order only things for customers though, including metals.

Kroothawk wrote:Seems like they use the same machines, but need to make new moulds from the same masters.
The Ravenwing jetbike is very special and individual, not very good to have more than once. Have you considered using the much cheaper Kromlech jetbike?

Yes, the Kromlech bikes are nice, but I see them more as regular troops bikes. I'd use Sammael's only for my HQs. I do consider taking some of those and make a bike squad, just to see how the Ravenwing decoration bits might Imperialise them.

No word on a resin Thunderfire Cannon? If there was ever a 40K model that needed to be updated for ease of assembly, that is it. A resin Drazhar would be nice too though.

I demand Helbrecht.
Then I can cut his head off without needing a damned hacksaw.
Followed by the replacement helmet being able to be glued on easier.

No Tau!!! But i want resin pathfinders... Sad day.

Tau are expected first half next year, with plastic pathfinders a strong possibility.

Kroothawk wrote:Tau are expected first half next year, with plastic pathfinders a strong possibility.

Insta mold it and use a clear plastic or go with a hybrid of first part clear and then some other material for badass results. Tape off the clear parts to protect during priming.

aosol wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:Tau are expected first half next year, with plastic pathfinders a strong possibility.

Insta mold it and use a clear plastic or go with a hybrid of first part clear and then some other material for badass results. Tape off the clear parts to protect during priming.

Is this legal?

I may now have to look into getting the Master of the Ravenwing... I picked up the box and declared that there was no way I was putting that on the table, especially with as many times as we bump into our gaming table.

Flashman wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:Small addition: Seems like we get some metal to finecast models also in July: Lammasu, Taurus and other monsters fitting for Storm of Magic. So August will technically be the third wave.

Are we talking the original Chaos Dwarf Lammasu and Taurus?

I bet those suddenly develop extra detail when they are made in Fineca$t...

Kroothawk wrote:

N'Ferno wrote:The moulds are the same for the finecasat models, so the pieces they come into are the same as well, correct?
If so I forsee quite a few jetbikes coming to my White Scars soon /cackle

Seems like they use the same machines, but need to make new moulds from the same masters.

The Ravenwing jetbike is very special and individual, not very good to have more than once. Have you considered using the much cheaper Kromlech jetbike?
http://cgi.ebay.com/Kromlech-Iron-Shark-Pattern-Assault-Jetbike-/150593603790?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item23101408ce

These are atrocious, but I reckon these are how Squats would have liked them...

YAY! More dwarves.

BoLS posted a spreadsheet of June releases with US prices:
https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0An-qBba7fMe1dHFsSVZpa1lVUjc5R3RuMFliNlI0TWc&hl=en_US&authkey=CN-pqc4F#gid=0
Great Taurus (Box) 35.50 $
Lammasu (box) 35.50 $
Fenbeast (Box) 24.75$
Truthsayer (Blister) 15.25$
Dark Emissary (Blister) 15.25$
Cold One (Blister) 16.50$
Release 23rd June.

They also list these (metal rereleases?):
Dark Elf Supreme Sorceress 1 Fig blister
Warriors of Chaos Sorcerer Lord 2 Fig blister
Warriors of Chaos Nurgle Chaos Sorcerer 1 Fig blister
Vampire Counts Necromancer on Nightmare 1 Fig blister
Vampire Counts Necromancer with Skull 1 Fig blister
Vampire Counts Necromancer with Staff 1 Fig blister

AvatarForm wrote:
I bet those suddenly develop extra detail when they are made in Fineca$t...

Yeah, they start looking like this now:

I'm expecting new models for them meself. Seem to be part of the Magicy range.

Kroothawk wrote: Cold One (Blister) 16.50$

Seriously. Whaaaa?

Just....a cold one?

Here. Have a cold one. IN FINECAST.

..So, now they are releasing mounts by themselves?


Can't wait for a -single- nightmare.

Well, there's confusion whether it's a single mount or whether it's a pack of 5.

Cold One is a single mount without saddle, moulded after the new Jes Goodwin Cold Ones. Herds of Cold Ones can be bound by spells.

And yes, lammasu and taurus are delivered without a Chaos Dwarf rider. They are mail order only.

Kroothawk wrote:Cold One is a single mount without saddle, moulded after the new Jes Goodwin Cold Ones. Herds of Cold Ones can be bound by spells.

So GW have basically invented another supplement that requires you to buy otherwise useless models that will soon be gathering dust when everyone (including GW) has forgotten about Storm of Magic in two months time.

Not necessarily. I love the new cold ones for my exodite conversions so getting them in a pack of 5 without riders is a good thing for me, but I do like the Lizardmen cold ones better and I'm probably one of the few that would like to see them available separately from the riders.

Yay, Karmanozav, Hes a great HQ!

Any idea when we should see the advance orders go up for august finecast release?

About a week before release or in WD. Same as everything else recently. And knowing WD it will get it wrong.

jspyd3rx wrote:Any idea when we should see the advance orders go up for august finecast release?

As they are released on the 6th, then I would guess, under GW's current policy, they will appear on the advance oders page on about the 14th August

Hehe, thanks.

So GW have basically invented another supplement that requires you to buy otherwise useless models that will soon be gathering dust when everyone (including GW) has forgotten about Storm of Magic in two months time.

It would be funny if it wasn't true. I hate to add to the often irrational negativity one sees on these forums, but I've been at this 2 decades and it is generally how these things go. If you're not going to really enjoy the models for their own sake I wouldn't buy too many of them just for Storm Of Magic because like all supplements it will only be supported for so long and then it's history. Before 40K Apocalypse and the current Cities Of Death, the average life expectancy of a Warhammer or 40K supplement was about 2 years before it became totally unsupported. Things seem a bit better now, but I'd still be cautious about investing too much in it if you're not going to get a ton of use and enjoyment out of it.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Ragnar, original PA Njal, Ulrik and Bjorn are the oldest. The Space Wolf Codex was the first Codex GW ever produced - the very first 2nd Ed one. Eldrad, the Avatar, Warp Spiders, Wraithguard and the Phoenix Lords are next (as Codex Eldar was second, Orks third, and so on).

The thing is... do we really want a new Eldrad/Phoenix Lords? They're still great models. They're very '2D' in the sense that their detail is mostly flat across one plane (two-part spin-casting has its downsides I 'spose), but they're really beautiful Jes Goodwin models. I'd hate to see them go.

Putting Abaddon on a 40mm base helps. Even the old metal Loyalist Terminators look bigger on a bigger base. But you're right, he needs an upscale to be as big as his brethren (no way Grimnar should be bigger than him!).

To be pedantic, though Ragnar, Njal and Ulrik are in desperate need of new sculpts - indeed they in fact pre-date second edition, albeit by only a few months - they are not the most vintage models still issued. (Rules for them were originally written for Battle Manual-era Rogue Trader and published in WD 150-something.)

Beating them by two or three years to the title of longest-serving Wh40k miniatures still sold by GW are two of Jes Goodwin's Eldar Warlocks, seen here in the 1991 catalogue: http://solegends.com/citcat911/c2093eldaravatrwarlks.htm.

I dunno, it's easy to say it's a shame to see em go now HBMC, but if they released new hotness JG phoenix lords, methinks you would probably forget all about the old ones, and if not, you could still probably get the oldies anyways! New sculpts are never a bad thing IMHO only rarely does it go dirty bad. I'm looking at you plastic daemon prince.

Ragnar, Njal and Ulrik are in desperate need of new sculpts

Njal got a new sculpt along with the current Space Wolf Codex and it's still available:

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1160027a

I believe he means Njal in Power Armour, seen here:

Yes, I know what he meant, (d'uh!) but the comment ignored the fact that Njal already got a new sculpt.

And for the record, I still like the old one too. I own both of them.

BrassScorpion wrote:Yes, I know what he meant, (d'uh!) but the comment ignored the fact that Njal already got a new sculpt.

And for the record, I still like the old one too.

Now I feel like a dunce, my bad. The old sculpt is still quite nice but updates are always fun. The one Marine model that I think really needs a new sculpt is Mephiston and his popped collar of doom, can't stand how goofy that thing looks when the rules make him such a stone-cold killer.

SonicPara wrote:

BrassScorpion wrote:Yes, I know what he meant, (d'uh!) but the comment ignored the fact that Njal already got a new sculpt.

And for the record, I still like the old one too.

Now I feel like a dunce, my bad. The old sculpt is still quite nice but updates are always fun. The one Marine model that I think really needs a new sculpt is Mephiston and his popped collar of doom, can't stand how goofy that thing looks when the rules make him such a stone-cold killer.

That's just Mephiston when he's out clubbin'. We don't want to see him when he's got his "get work done" clothes on.

SonicPara wrote:

BrassScorpion wrote:Yes, I know what he meant, (d'uh!) but the comment ignored the fact that Njal already got a new sculpt.

And for the record, I still like the old one too.

Now I feel like a dunce, my bad. The old sculpt is still quite nice but updates are always fun. The one Marine model that I think really needs a new sculpt is Mephiston and his popped collar of doom, can't stand how goofy that thing looks when the rules make him such a stone-cold killer.

I see pedantry begets further pedantry. And yes, Mephiston, with his floppy hair and Ming the Merciless collar, has looked faintly daft and out of place since 1993 - something made only more apparent by Asteroth and Lemertes' very up-to-date and dynamic sculpts. Dante's model is likewise pretty undewhelming, but he at least can be kitbashed from modern plastics. Perhaps we'll get a second wave of Blood Angels at some point, or a set of new character sculpts to accompany 6th Edition.

I see pedantry begets further pedantry.

Pot? Hello, hello, this is kettle!

Seriously, that has to be the most overused word on the forum that doesn't set off the filter for expletives. Every factual correction is not an act of "pedantry".

If people are looking for something, say they wish it existed and do not think it exists, and someone points out to them that it does exists, that is hardly pedantry ("an ostentatious show of knowledge"). There does seem to be an aversion to factual information on the forum at times. Perhaps some people consider factual information "pedantry" when it dispels the tons of misinformation that is usually posted because they prefer the nonsense over real information.

Peace, I'm out!

bleh and double bleh, a resin Master of the Raven wing and here i have been trying to file all of the ravenwing iconography off the metal version for a Nurgle CSM Lord for weeks.

Lol, no Sisters finecast.

Looks like only six of the items listed in this thread are actually going to be released in august (see: the other thread).