I've seen a few of the who will win, so I was thinking how about a who should win. All of the races have flaws in them obvious or not, but who would you have rule the galaxy. Reasoning could be stable ruling, freedom of culture, or it would just be awesome. I realize Nids and crons would only destroy the galaxy but they're an option anyway just in case somebody comes up with something or just wants everyone to die. Other can be any of the other races that you can't play but are in the 40k universe

Nobody wins, this is total war. You can win when your dead. Oh wait.

Several factions are already fighitng simply for survival. The Eldar don't have the numbers to win out, they've been reduced simply to fighting to stay alive for thousands of years. The Tau are tiny, nothing has really put its full weight against them yet, and if it did, they'd be annihilated in short order.

Essentially the question is, can the Imperium hold off the Tyranids, the forces of Chaos, and awakening Necrons (who seem to have vastly overexaggerated numbers given that they weren't exactly a numerous species when they became the Necrons), or will they be destroyed?


If the Imperium is destroyed, likely scenario: Eldar and Tau go too, Orks could either be conquered and destroyed in detail or unit in a massive waaaaghh, but ultimately you'd probably have a war between the Tyranids and Necrons, with the forces of Chaos eventually breaking through and ending everything as neither the Tyranids nor Necrons can really stop the infinitie supply of unkillable Daemons.

As I said it's not a who will win, but who should

Necrons! Bow before those who know no fear, who are the harvesters of life, who have made Death itself manifest in physical form, and those who cannot die!!!

The Emperor has declared this galaxy an inheritance of man, who are you to question Him?

=I=

I'd say the ultimate winner of 40K should be the Tau and Humans.

Frankly, the two races are actually really civil toward each other and have respect for each other after several conflicts, that ended poorly for either side. The two united could also put down any threat mustered against them with the exception of Necrons... If they time to prepare though, Astartes with Pulse Rifles and Vet Squads in Battlesuits could be epic.

I'm voting for Dark Eldar. For the lulz.

Vaktathi wrote:If the Imperium is destroyed, likely scenario: Eldar and Tau go too, Orks could either be conquered and destroyed in detail or unit in a massive waaaaghh, but ultimately you'd probably have a war between the Tyranids and Necrons, with the forces of Chaos eventually breaking through and ending everything as neither the Tyranids nor Necrons can really stop the infinitie supply of unkillable Daemons.

Eh, I disagree. If it came down to Tyranids vs. Necrons, then Chaos is no longer a player on the board. In fact, I would say Chaos would be phased out as a threat along with the Imperium. Neither the bugs nor the necrons can be corrupted in the slightest, nor do they have any emotions or vices to feed the Warp.

Xarian wrote:I'm voting for Dark Eldar. For the lulz.

Dammit, I wish I could go back and change my vote. The Dark Eldar should totally win. They'll just feth the rest of the universe into non-existence.

BeefCakeSoup wrote:I'd say the ultimate winner of 40K should be the Tau and Humans.

Frankly, the two races are actually really civil toward each other and have respect for each other after several conflicts, that ended poorly for either side. The two united could also put down any threat mustered against them with the exception of Necrons... If they time to prepare though, Astartes with Pulse Rifles and Vet Squads in Battlesuits could be epic.

The Emperor's vision for mankind does not have room for Xenos. Hell, we've seen in the novels races that were entirely human except for tiny traces of alien DNA that was likely used to eliminate some congenital disease, yet were marked for utter extermination due to that tiny imperfection.

This thread is heretical.

Only the Imperium should emerge victorious.

No one is going to win, that's just the way the Dark Gods want it. And in our own little way, that's us winning. Chaos will let the Imperium suffer for eternity....well, that is until the 'nid eat it. They ruin everything. Aren't even civil enough for tea. Le sigh.

Well... Book 7 of the HH (Legion) says the ancient ones forsaw the end of times. If Horus won the Apocalypse would follow. If the Emperor won the galaxy would slowly fall to chaos in about 10,000 years (40k).

So either way the fluff kinda says chaos is gonna win out. But I kinda hoped we'd all find out that the "Outsider" is the hive mind and that the ancient ones created the Krorks (Orks) to face them. That'd lead to a massive galaxy wide war of green vs purple.

Chaos.....

Realistically they dont just taint Space Marine lol, they can taint everything.

All they have to do is stand aside waiting till everyone kill each other and deal the finishing blow.

Anyone how don't click Imperium is the traitor to his own race.

Seriously, why would someone want his own race to lose?


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DeffDred wrote:Well... Book 7 of the HH (Legion) says the ancient ones forsaw the end of times. If Horus won the Apocalypse would follow. If the Emperor won the galaxy would slowly fall to chaos in about 10,000 years (40k).

That prophesy has been told by several idiots, and bigger idiots of them are those who follow them.
It's like we and 2012, how many people believe in doom's day? And still after that pass they will believe in another one.
People must use logic before faith, just like the Emperor told.

I voted for Eldar because they seem to be the only race that learns from their mistakes and could live in harmony with the other races.

Imperium of Man will last forever and its adversaries will slowly decay and bow in awe...

(But rationally speaking, Tyranids and Necrons seems to have a fairly advantage, because of their inner nature... Chaos just behind but I agree with Omegus -once again- when he says Chaos will be completely outdated when it comes to that, because of its natural link with humanity and passions)

Orks!!

Everyday would be a riot of drinking fungus beer, having squig eating competitions and then hitting someone on the head with a heavy object.

The galaxy would be like one long Saturday night!

Grenat wrote:
(But rationally speaking, Tyranids and Necrons seems to have a fairly advantage, because of their inner nature... Chaos just behind but I agree with Omegus -once again- when he says Chaos will be completely outdated when it comes to that, because of its natural link with humanity and passions)

Do they? Reading the Nid-Codex, Tyranids seem to be one of the weakest forces in the Galaxy. The regularly get a beating by things like Maugan Ra (all by himself!), random Ork Freebooters or drifting Eldar Craftworlds (Yriel by himself has two "hive-fleet-notches" on his spear already). Inquisitors are free to co-opt Hive Fleets for their own purpose. Not one Nid invasion has ever successfully conqured a major or important planet of the Imperium (think Armageddon). They avoid even dormant Necrons purposefully. The Tau beat them off; and are actually "stronger" as a race for it because fighting Nids gave them another boost in technological evolution (Ironically therefore, if Nids ever stumble into Tau territory again, it would make the Tau are larger threat).

If you ask me, the Tyranid-threat is greatly exaggerated by the Nid-fans. Even given the flaws of the other factions, Nids seem incapable of posing a serious danger to any of them.

Well for would I have to say nids or necrons, however for should I havve to say Tau since they are probably the least dictatoral/massacre all nonbelievers out of the lot

Zweischneid wrote:

Grenat wrote:
(But rationally speaking, Tyranids and Necrons seems to have a fairly advantage, because of their inner nature... Chaos just behind but I agree with Omegus -once again- when he says Chaos will be completely outdated when it comes to that, because of its natural link with humanity and passions)

Do they? Reading the Nid-Codex, Tyranids seem to be one of the weakest forces in the Galaxy. The regularly get a beating by things like Maugan Ra (all by himself!), random Ork Freebooters or drifting Eldar Craftworlds (Yriel by himself has two "hive-fleet-notches" on his spear already). Inquisitors are free to co-opt Hive Fleets for their own purpose. Not one Nid invasion has ever successfully conqured a major or important planet of the Imperium (think Armageddon). They avoid even dormant Necrons purposefully. The Tau beat them off; and are actually "stronger" as a race for it because fighting Nids gave them another boost in technological evolution (Ironically therefore, if Nids ever stumble into Tau territory again, it would make the Tau are larger threat).

For me, the point is most that : actually, Hive Fleet in the Imperium are only a very few part of the tyranid race, who wait silently in the void.
Tyranids do not conquer worlds, so yeah, basically, you're right about the conquest part.

Zweischneid wrote:
If you ask me, the Tyranid-threat is greatly exaggerated by the Nid-fans. Even given the flaws of the other factions, Nids seem incapable of posing a serious danger to any of them.

I totally understand what you mean
But beware of not acting in the exact opposite, because in the end you seem to criticaly underate a vicious threat, for the sole point of "there is no proof atm". I view tyranids like a diesel motor

Grenat wrote:

For me, the point is most that : actually, Hive Fleet in the Imperium are only a very few part of the tyranid race, who wait silently in the void.
Tyranids do not conquer worlds, so yeah, basically, you're right about the conquest part.

Well, sure there may be gazillions of Tyranid yet out there in the void we do not know about (or there may not be any). Just as well, the Primarchs may return to the Imperium fullfilling prophecies and ancient soothsaying. The Tau may make another massive evolutionary/technological leap and outclass all other races beyond all comparability. The ancient machinations of the Eldar may come to bear fruit, raising the dying race to prominence again. The Orks may all unite, every single one of them, under the banner of the greatest WAAAGH ever seen. Etc.. ,etc.. .

I think you need to avoid comparing apples and oranges. If you measure the "threat" of any given race (including the Nids), you can compare the "facts" of the status que we know from the fluff against the status queo we know about other races from the fluff. Or you can compare each races "doomsday prophecy" against one another. But comparing the "what may be/worst-case scenario" of the Tyranids against the "status quo" of the other races is largely measuring by two different standards.

Alright, I understand what you mean by two different standards. But, in that case I think the eternal war is a good option. "Who should win" seems like "who is the better" for me and finally gets a little odd in 40k universe, which is not designed to evolute.

Well, who should win is subjective from each races perspective. Imperium believe they should win etc....
They way I see it, if the winner means that their every goal is achieved, then The Imperium, as it's goals includes the destruction of every other race. However, the Tau would likely prove to be the best race to govern the galaxy, as much as I hate to admit it, and providing they don't encounter any massive obstacles, which they are guaranteed to. From my own perspective Glory to Chaos!

Who I would like to win as a 40K player is Chaos.

As a person, the Imperium.

The race who would actually win would be a close run thing between Orks and Tyranids in my opinion.

I think you need to avoid comparing apples and oranges. If you measure the "threat" of any given race (including the Nids), you can compare the "facts" of the status que we know from the fluff against the status queo we know about other races from the fluff. Or you can compare each races "doomsday prophecy" against one another. But comparing the "what may be/worst-case scenario" of the Tyranids against the "status quo" of the other races is largely measuring by two different standards.

That to me is part of the writing "strategy" of GW in relation to the Nids though.
I agree if you go on current fluff and history, they havent achieved a huge amount.
However the proverbial carrot is dangled with the potential threat that they can unleash (Imp will need a 500% increase in military strenght, even bigger fleets waiting in the void, our is the last Galaxy standing etc etc).

There is the view also that the Nids are Xenos and hence will never receive as much "fluff loving" as the Marines/IG etc.

I agree though one cannot measure their threat using potential unless one is willing to deal in hypotheticals (which can be very fun too).

Voted Eldar in this one, their culture seems to be somewhat more evolved then the IG/Tau etc and as someone mentioned they have been through a truely calamitous event in their history which they (I assume) have learned from.
I'll clarify evolved with lack of poverty/abuse/deprivation, they are a broken race but still have the hope of creating Ynnead and killing Slannesh, which drives them and they have a singular purpose now: survival.

FOR the emperor death to all heretics and xenosx

But really you will see the eldar will sick the green skins against the nids they both take heavy losses then an inquisitor declares shenanigans and nukes the planet they were fighting on killing all survivors. Rinse and repeat.

After a while something will back fire and either the green skins or nids will mess up the eldar bringing them to the brink of extinction.

With the last remaining strength the eldar manage to close the eye cutting off the evil powers for ever but in return the eldar all die.

The dark eldar mess with some new weapon turns out its a giant magnet that also magically sucks the ctan to it causing the necron and their goods to be sucked into the web way which cant handle that way and ends up collapsing thus trapping the DE and crons to duke it out crons would eventually win and be like ok nap time.

Tau end up coming across the remains of the last part or a hive fleet and end up getting chased by them with the forces of chaos coming at them as well a big battle ensues and the tau are wiped out because their command breaks down due to space communism. The nids are then wiped out and chaos take huge losses.

The forces of the Imperium finally get a chance to fight they go out and wipe the floor with the remaining chaos forces.

Everyone is now dead.

The Imperium sends out forces in all directions to clean up anything that shouldnt be alive and their borders expand.

And everyone lives happily ever after

sorry decided a story would be nice

In GK's codex, it says an undying special character (I don't remember his name), as he lived many time and much time, knows that no matter their efforts Chaos will destroy the Imperium eventually. Bye Imperium.
I red that Necrons could had prepared a warp trap, positioning certain planets in certain borders of the galaxy for creating a non-warp zone which would surround the whole galaxy. Bye Chaos.
Finally, Tyranids are stripping all the galaxy of life, excepting Necrons. This leaves Tyranids and Necrons and possible winners. Other races would be eventually eaten, vanished or overcome by Chaos, so... happy end! =D

Tyranids, whilst my first race that I ever played, are a relative fly on The Imperium's jacket. They've consumed a whopping 0.2% or less of The Imperium. They have a far greater potential for destruction than the Necrons, and are order of magnitude more threatening than the Tau, but to say they are a big player is a lie, by going on current fluff.

Essentially, all biomass in the galaxy (and there's a lot of it in 40k) are just more Tyranids waiting to happen. They win by attrition, and a galaxy wide Shadow in the Warp essentially locks Chaos out of realspace. You might have isolated Daemonic incursions, but in the end the Tyranids, in all of their perfect predatory glory, should pick this galaxy clean before moving on to the next one.

- Biologis Krow
Declared Hereticus Horribilis and executed
M.41.6911

Yeah, potentially, but not as things are just now.

cowpow16 wrote:
Tau end up coming across the remains of the last part or a hive fleet and end up getting chased by them with the forces of chaos coming at them as well a big battle ensues and the tau are wiped out because their command breaks down due to space communism. The nids are then wiped out and chaos take huge losses.

The Tau already got hit by the full force of Hive Fleet Gorgon. It didn't end pretty for the Tyranids.

Zweischneid wrote:

cowpow16 wrote:
Tau end up coming across the remains of the last part or a hive fleet and end up getting chased by them with the forces of chaos coming at them as well a big battle ensues and the tau are wiped out because their command breaks down due to space communism. The nids are then wiped out and chaos take huge losses.

The Tau already got hit by the full force of Hive Fleet Gorgon. It didn't end pretty for the Tyranids.

Because IG help the Tau destroy it.

Not Hive Fleet Gorgon!? Wow, that must have been a struggle. A tiny Hive Fleet, whose only unique attribute was extreme adaptation ability, defeated by a combined force of Tau and Imperial Guard. Through the entire war, the Tau were defeated across the board, despite the size of the Fleet attacking them.

The thing is, if the Dark Eldar neutralise everything in the galaxy, its a phyrric victory. They'll die in the end.

The Nid's have numbers and the fact their hive fleets are mere vanguards.

Necrons awakening is becoming stronger.

Chaos is waning in power.

Eldar are waning

Tau are just a small species

Imperium will slowly die out.

Orks win by default. They are fungi, have no fear of death and are hardy, and can take out lots of enemies.

Brother Coa wrote:
Because IG help the Tau destroy it.

True. But even before the IG joined, the Tyranids failed to conquer/consume/successfully win a single Tau controlled planet. All that despite the Tau being surprised and never having fought Tyranids before.

If the Nid-schtick is to win "a war of attrition" by consuming more bio-mass than they loose, they should be able to beat/consume inhabitated planets of the kind that one would find as colonies on the outer perimeters of the Tau Empire. So far (and not only among the Tau Empire), the Nids have singularly failed to do so.

Chaos is waning? Since when? The Tyranids do not have numbers, not generally. In one place yeah, across the board, no.

Doctadeth wrote:
The Nid's have numbers and the fact their hive fleets are mere vanguards.

Tau are just a small species

Again, that doesn't bear out. Doomsday predictions aside, the Tau are tiny compared to the Imperium or the Orks, but they outnumber the Nids many times over.

Zweischneid wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:
Because IG help the Tau destroy it.

True. But even before the IG joined, the Tyranids failed to conquer/consume/successfully win a single Tau controlled planet. All that despite the Tau being surprised and never having fought Tyranids before.

They were beaten back on three, only once by the Tau, but consumed a host of other planets.

iproxtaco wrote:
They were beaten back on three, only once by the Tau, but consumed a host of other planets.

Maybe my Nid Codex is missing pages, but no. The did not consume a single Tau-planet. All they managed was destroy a single orbital relay station. As an entire Hive Fleet. Thats it. End of story. After that, they walked from defeat to defeat. The Necrons that the Nids "accidentially wakend" (and who right-away outnumbered the Nids btw) did more damage to the Tau than the Nids.

And if you want to emphasise that the Tau had help from the Guard to take down the final Dominatrix, it is I guess worth noting that the were also simultaniously fighting Necrons and still gave Nids a few kickings.

Zweischneid wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:
They were beaten back on three, only once by the Tau, but consumed a host of other planets.

Maybe my Nid Codex is missing pages, but no. The did not consume a single Tau-planet. All they managed was destroy a single orbital relay station. As an entire Hive Fleet. Thats it. End of story. After that, they walked from defeat to defeat. The Necrons that the Nids "accidentially wakend" (and who right-away outnumbered the Nids btw) did more damage to the Tau than the Nids.

I never said the consumed a host of Tau planets. They consumed other ones, but were only ever beaten back by the Tau once. The first time was a Tau win, the second was a victory for the Necrons, the third was successful because of a combined effort with the Imperial Guard. Hive Fleet Gorgon was pathetic, so were the Tau.

Simultaneously fighting Necrons? Citations needed.

i vote orks simly because while they are nto impossible to taint (there is precident of it happening just very rare) the imperium may fall into chaos but i don't think chaos can take ou tth orks. in the end the hive fleet and the orks run an unending battle the orks get their paradise of war without end while the nids happily harvest the orks that fall. the necrons ocationally pop up but the orks are happy to have a different enemy and where they pop up the orks quickly bash thie circuits in

iproxtaco wrote:
I never said the consumed a host of Tau planets. They consumed other ones, but were only ever beaten back by the Tau once. The first time was a Tau win, the second was a victory for the Necrons, the third was successful because of a combined effort with the Imperial Guard. Hive Fleet Gorgon was pathetic, so were the Tau.

If Hive Fleet Gorgon was pathetic, give me a Hive Fleet that did better? Leviathan got its ass handed at Stormvald by Maugan Ra all by himself. Kraken failed to destroy a single drifting Craftworld. Behemoth was sent packing by Ork Freebootaz. Hydra was made a Dark Eldar play-thing when the Dark Eldar raided(!) the Hive Fleet. Naga was the second Hive-fleet kill-point of Yriel. Hive Fleet Moloch was starved to death by Vostroyans (who is fighting Wars of attrition now?).

Their record doesn't speak well for the Nids.

Peeps, remember the original question was who should win.

but who would you have rule the galaxy. Reasoning could be stable ruling, freedom of culture, or it would just be awesome.

Zweischneid wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:
I never said the consumed a host of Tau planets. They consumed other ones, but were only ever beaten back by the Tau once. The first time was a Tau win, the second was a victory for the Necrons, the third was successful because of a combined effort with the Imperial Guard. Hive Fleet Gorgon was pathetic, so were the Tau.

If Hive Fleet Gorgon was pathetic, give me a Hive Fleet that did better? Leviathan got its ass handed at Stormvald by Maugan Ra all by himself. Kraken failed to destroy a single drifting Craftworld. Behemoth was sent packing by Ork Freebootaz. Hydra was made a Dark Eldar play-thing when the Dark Eldar raided(!) the Hive Fleet. Naga was the second Hive-fleet kill-point of Yriel. Hive Fleet Moloch was starved to death by Vostroyans (who is fighting Wars of attrition now?).

Their record doesn't speak well for the Nids.

Well, it was pathetic, more so than others. Levithan is still going, apparently, but hasn't really done anything. Kraken was pretty much destroyed Ilyanden, it's only claim to fame, and Behemoth shattered the the home-world of the Ultramarines, nothing else though. At least the two ones that have come before actually did something, the rest, and particularly Gorgon, aren't really worth mentioning.

And then we have Malan'tai.

A whole Craftworld destroyed by pretty much a single Tyranid organism

, I completely forgot about that.

Pilau Rice wrote:And then we have Malan'tai.

A whole Craftworld destroyed by pretty much a single Tyranid organism

Fair enough. But likewise, a single Eldar "organism" in the form of Maugan Ra destroyed an entire Hive Fleet tendril of Leviathan. Call it square.

Well, if the Xenos sourcebook is to be believed, the Necrons now have the gene-sequence of the base bio-organism that is at the core of every single Tyranid creature. They could probably create half a dozen virulent plagues, and slowly wipe the hive fleets out one by one.

And now with the rumored new fluff about the Necrons actually wtfpwning the C'Tan and using them for their purposes, they are probably the most dangerous force around. They also are likely the only one of these contenders who could actually breach the Webway to reach the Dark Eldar.


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Doctadeth wrote:The thing is, if the Dark Eldar neutralise everything in the galaxy, its a phyrric victory. They'll die in the end.

Well, the Horus Heresy books hint that if humanity goes, Chaos pretty much goes right with it, so there would be no Slaanesh to feed on the Dark Eldar. He/she certainly wouldn't be able to sustain itself on the trickle of life-force it gets from them, and they can always just torture clones of themselves forever.

Please don't change it to that, Codex: Necrons author.

Omegus wrote:And now with the rumored new fluff about the Necrons actually wtfpwning the C'Tan and using them for their purposes

Err come again?

So the Necrons beat their masters?

I hope this isn't the case when the new 'dex comes out.

Tau. They are willing to let other races live. No-one else is.

Pilau Rice wrote:
Err come again?

So the Necrons beat their masters?

I hope this isn't the case when the new 'dex comes out.

Why not? Sounds like a fun take on things. I wouldn't want to pay for a new book with the same old stories that I already have.

SickSix wrote:Tau. They are willing to let other races live. No-one else is.

Providing you submit to The Greater Good, and end all aspirations your race may have had.


I wouldn't want that either, but suddenly making The C'tan subservient to The Necrons, stated as being mindless servants? Why would that happen?!

Pilau Rice wrote:

Omegus wrote:And now with the rumored new fluff about the Necrons actually wtfpwning the C'Tan and using them for their purposes

Err come again?

So the Necrons beat their masters?

I hope this isn't the case when the new 'dex comes out.

Yes, that is the gist of the rumors going around. C'Tan are removed as a choice, replaced by an elite choice (pariahs?) that can be customized depending on what C'tan powers they are channeling/utilizing. The dominion of the C'Tan appears to be over.

I f you dont want the Imperium to win, mankind will de and your a traitor to your race.

To be honest, when I see the "your/you're" error time and time again, I wish I could betray my whole species to some galactic superpower that would annihilate it.

Haha..
Orks, to da..normal world? Wotz that?

Zweischneid wrote:
Why not? Sounds like a fun take on things. I wouldn't want to pay for a new book with the same old stories that I already have.

So you don't mind wiping well established fluff out of existence and just writing new stuff for the sake of it?

Adding to and enhancing a story is all well and good, but totally changing something is not good in my opinion.

My force the khantonians of whom rebelled from the imperium after they were abandoned to face a zombie plague that nearly overan the planet. still got a small problem with them.
however are superior warp tech should save us-we just sit there and wait till all the sh!t dies down... after all 1 of our basic hellsreach battle stations will imiolate an imperial segmentum battle fleet.
therse no way your pathetic attacks will harm us seeing as we`ve got nearly 300 of these. and our entire systems filled with hidden military bases. the entirety of a tyranid hive fleet will struggle to get past the system rim. if khantonians wernt there though ide say tyranids though. theyll swarm you.

tyranids break in everywhere eventially it is an innevitablitity that the Nids will wipe all of existence out then simply lack cause and turn on each other.
(the hive mind will get bored eventually with nothing the fight and eat) and I believe tyranids can't comprehend the concept of daemons so they will cease to exist when every other race is wiped from existence.

Omegus wrote:They also are likely the only one of these contenders who could actually breach the Webway to reach the Dark Eldar.

Dont want to be pedantic but didnt Commoragh get invaded by loads of space marines who just wondered into the webway?
Source - Codex Dark Eldar

Zweischneid wrote:
Maybe my Nid Codex is missing pages, but no. The did not consume a single Tau-planet. All they managed was destroy a single orbital relay station. As an entire Hive Fleet. Thats it. End of story. After that, they walked from defeat to defeat. The Necrons that the Nids "accidentially wakend" (and who right-away outnumbered the Nids btw) did more damage to the Tau than the Nids.

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"The Kel'shan Ethereal council ordered the evacuation of the colony worlds between Ka'mais and Kel'shan. The evacuation fleet from one of these worlds, Ho'sarn, was ambushed by Gorgon and slaughtered."

"Gorgon, on its way to Kel'shan, consumed the Roksh system, home of the Rokshashi Wealthweb merchant guilds. Several Tau trading fleets in the system and a secret Tau listening post on Roksh XVI were also devoured."

"Gorgon, after it devoured the worlds inhabited by several Tau trading partners, launched its first attack on the Tau Empire "

"Supreme Admiral Kor'O'Vanan deemed the situation on Sha'draig irretrievable and ordered a withdrawal. Vorcah's tactic was successful and eventually drove Gorgon from Sha'draig, but not before it had been almost completely consumed by Ripper swarms."

Sounds to me more than one orbital station, poor Tau and not to mention one world slaughter by the Necrons after Gorgon awoken them...

And I wonder why Tau won in the end: "Now faced with a common enemy, Crask and Valroth agreed to a truce and together their fleets turned on Gorgon, destroying close to all of its bio-ships. The Tyranids were unable to adapt quickly enough to the disparate nature of the Tau and Imperial Guard forces combined, and at the Battle of Worldspine Ridge in 500903.M41 the last Dominatrix and Hive Tyrant were slain and Hive Fleet Gorgon came to an end."

Because we Humans KICK ASS!!!

The way I see, if the Tau win, then all the races (besides Orks, Necrons, chaos, and Tyranids) join their empire and live.

And by live I mean periodically rebel.
In the happy brightness of the future, their is only peace. Except the humans. Always trying to bring back the grimdark.

What's wrong with happybright?

Kasrkai wrote:The way I see, if the Tau win, then all the races (besides Orks, Necrons, chaos, and Tyranids) join their empire and live.

And by live I mean periodically rebel.
In the happy brightness of the future, their is only peace. Except the humans. Always trying to bring back the grimdark.

What's wrong with happybright?

Peace is for losers

The fact that recruiting Chaos, The Necrons and Tyranids is literally impossible.

Not to mention Orks
Or Dark Eldar

There are possible ways to "recruit" the Orks and Dark Eldar.

Orks live only to fight, not to sit around and be happy all day.
Dark Eldar, well... dark, fetish, porn society - go figure...

The Chaos gods will win. I was going to go with Nids...but they probably won't do well going into the Warp. The Chaos gods will destroy the Nids after the Nids have eaten the rest of the universe.

Whose saying that's what Orks will do? Maybe The Tau will find a way to simply point them in the right direction.
Dark Eldar are also a race simply out to survive, The Tau could provide.

iproxtaco wrote:The Tau could provide.

Lots of squishy blue bodies to play with

Guys, I found you lack of faith in Humanity disturbing.

master of ordinance wrote:My force the khantonians of whom rebelled from the imperium after they were abandoned to face a zombie plague that nearly overan the planet. still got a small problem with them.
however are superior warp tech should save us-we just sit there and wait till all the sh!t dies down... after all 1 of our basic hellsreach battle stations will imiolate an imperial segmentum battle fleet.
therse no way your pathetic attacks will harm us seeing as we`ve got nearly 300 of these. and our entire systems filled with hidden military bases. the entirety of a tyranid hive fleet will struggle to get past the system rim. if khantonians wernt there though ide say tyranids though. theyll swarm you.

Random crap you made up doesn't count.

Omegus wrote:

master of ordinance wrote:My force the khantonians of whom rebelled from the imperium after they were abandoned to face a zombie plague that nearly overan the planet. still got a small problem with them.
however are superior warp tech should save us-we just sit there and wait till all the sh!t dies down... after all 1 of our basic hellsreach battle stations will imiolate an imperial segmentum battle fleet.
therse no way your pathetic attacks will harm us seeing as we`ve got nearly 300 of these. and our entire systems filled with hidden military bases. the entirety of a tyranid hive fleet will struggle to get past the system rim. if khantonians wernt there though ide say tyranids though. theyll swarm you.

Random crap you made up doesn't count.

A agree with him. This is question regarding the fluff, not wild imagination. In my Imagination, one Guard Regiment from Belgradia have 3.000.000 Guardsman.
Try to wipe out several those Regiments if you can...

So 300 Stations which could destroy 300 segmentum battle fleets? but you still have some trouble with zombies? Ha

Toastedandy wrote:So 300 Stations which could destroy 300 segmentum battle fleets? but you still have some trouble with zombies? Ha

The Zombies were flying bigger stations

Pilau Rice wrote:

Toastedandy wrote:So 300 Stations which could destroy 300 segmentum battle fleets? but you still have some trouble with zombies? Ha

The Zombies were flying bigger stations

Too be honest I think the Khantonians should be on the poll. But Im a bit confused with the entire system filled with hidden military bases.
Sort of like loads of bunkers painted green to match the grass or something?

But If the Khantonians are in it, surely my home made fluff should be in it. Loosely based on this -

Some of the stations actually became zombies, so they were left at an impasse.

Wardragoon wrote:Well for would I have to say nids or necrons, however for should I havve to say Tau since they are probably the least dictatoral/massacre all nonbelievers out of the lot

What do they do to people who say no to the "Greater Good" then

Nicholas wrote:

Wardragoon wrote:Well for would I have to say nids or necrons, however for should I havve to say Tau since they are probably the least dictatoral/massacre all nonbelievers out of the lot

What do they do to people who say no to the "Greater Good" then

Slowly assimilate as opposed to
'Doubt the Emprah EXTERMINATUS!!!!!!!'

Wardragoon wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

Wardragoon wrote:Well for would I have to say nids or necrons, however for should I havve to say Tau since they are probably the least dictatoral/massacre all nonbelievers out of the lot

What do they do to people who say no to the "Greater Good" then

Slowly assimilate as opposed to
'Doubt the Emprah EXTERMINATUS!!!!!!!'

Where's the fun in that


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timetowaste85 wrote:The Chaos gods will win. I was going to go with Nids...but they probably won't do well going into the Warp. The Chaos gods will destroy the Nids after the Nids have eaten the rest of the universe.

Chaos goes poof after the sentient races die or become incoruptable

Ignoring the zombies and back to who Should win:

The Imperium.


- If Chaos wins: everyone a puppet for crazed warp entities to play with... Not really a positive outcome for the dwellers of the material realm.

- If the tyranids win: everyone is eaten. A cold dead galaxy as a result. Without a chance to restart. Just NO.

- If the Darkest of space elfs win: again a bad thing, maybe worse than the chaos victory..

- if orks win: orks believe they always win, so wouldn't try hard enough to really win.

- If Eldar win: flower picking space elfs all around! The rest would be Better off as nid food.

- If Tau win: Tau winning?

- If Necrons win: Depends on their upcoming codex. The last one could have a chance at a restart after the Harvesting, changes may lead to a different outcome. Seems the old fluff wouldn't end the cycle of life and thus they are viable as winners.

- If the IoM wins: MORE SURVIVORS; Winning may become a possibility at the original vision of the Emperor. Maybe even with him returned to active duty. Those who oppose the rule of mankind would begone. Those who accept may find his mercy.

1hadhq wrote:- If the Darkest of space elfs win: again a bad thing, maybe worse than the chaos victory..

Interesting point! Would that really be worse than the Chaos victory? You at least know what to expect from the Dark Eldar... they will either torture you to death, or torture you until they get bored and a Haemonculus turns you into some mindless thrall.

With Chaos, Tzeench would probably turn your hands, feet and face into scrotums, complete with appropriate nerve endings. Then Khorne would force you and all your friends to fight to the death using your new scrotal appendages. Once they get tired of that, you get tossed to Slaanesh who <censored by order of the Inquisition>, until you finally end up in Nurgle's clutches and he uses you as a loofah.

Omegus wrote:

1hadhq wrote:- If the Darkest of space elfs win: again a bad thing, maybe worse than the chaos victory..

Interesting point! Would that really be worse than the Chaos victory? You at least know what to expect from the Dark Eldar... they will either torture you to death, or torture you until they get bored and a Haemonculus turns you into some mindless thrall.

With Chaos, Tzeench would probably turn your hands, feet and face into scrotums, complete with appropriate nerve endings. Then Khorne would force you and all your friends to fight to the death using your new scrotal appendages. Once they get tired of that, you get tossed to Slaanesh who <censored by order of the Inquisition>, until you finally end up in Nurgle's clutches and he uses you as a loofah.

This my friend is a win

Omegus wrote:
With Chaos, Tzeench would probably turn your hands, feet and face into scrotums, complete with appropriate nerve endings. Then Khorne would force you and all your friends to fight to the death using your new scrotal appendages. Once they get tired of that, you get tossed to Slaanesh who <censored by order of the Inquisition>, until you finally end up in Nurgle's clutches and he uses you as a loofah.

From the begetting of daemons, Our Emperor, deliver us...

Orks, then no one would win cause they'd kill themselfs

We already know what would happen is the Eldar won, and since we wouldn't want galactic trade to flourish, the imperium hitting another golden age of advancement and enlightenment nor would we want the Ork infestation to be reduced to a nuisance - let's hope the Eldar do not win. Especially now that they know that indulgence is not a healthy thing for them.

Actually I hope that Space Wolves(not IoM) win, why you may ask. Because a galaxy ran by drunk vikings and Leeroy Jenkins sounds like a hilarious idea.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/347132.page

War over.

Necrons would for 4 reasons:

1. they controlled the galaxy before but went into stasis so their "cattle" could repopulate the galaxy

2. they never are destroyed, they are phased back into their tombs to be rebuilt and sent out to kill again

3. what we see currently is only a small portion of the full necron empire, many planets beyond imperium explored space have yet to be awakened

4. the C'tan are Gods, what other race has gods fighting for them?

Toastedandy wrote:

Omegus wrote:They also are likely the only one of these contenders who could actually breach the Webway to reach the Dark Eldar.

Dont want to be pedantic but didnt Commoragh get invaded by loads of space marines who just wondered into the webway?
Source - Codex Dark Eldar

No, the Codex is very clear that the whole thing was a ploy by Vect to clear out his rivals and take over in the power vacuum that resulted after the Astartes' rampage.

its tau thay rock and have cool guns

How is Tau in 3rd place?!?

I'm actually surprised that the Imperium is in 1st.

I would have said orks or nids would win.

The Bringer wrote:How is Tau in 3rd place?!?

I'm actually surprised that the Imperium is in 1st.

I would have said orks or nids would win.

It's who should win, not who will win.

But why should they?

The Bringer wrote:But why should they?

The Imperium? Because they're Human, presumably, and so are we. Saying one of the other factions should win is tantamout of treachery. You're choosing another species over your own. They're also the ones who are struggling the most, holding on through sheer determination and courage. Brought low by the machinations of Chaos yet still forging on, fighting on in the name of the Emperor, the one who united them and gave them a chance to prevail. Fighting for survival against myriad threats while striving for greatness and glory. For the greater good of Humanity. That's why I voted for the Imperium, at least.

The Bringer wrote:How is Tau in 3rd place?!?

Well, the way I see it, Tau are the only ones that are really innovating and progressing technologically in the galaxy.

The Imperium can't. They still regard technology superstitiously as though it were magic, understood only by their priesthood, and they aren't innovating at all. They still use centuries-old weapons. Tau have already left them in the dust tech wise, and will continue to progress so far beyond, that eventually subverting the Imperium will be a galactic cake-walk.

Eldar and DE are bent on preserving their lifestyles, not really interested in change/improvement. Eldar won't keep up with Tau and their Craftworlds will be annexed or destroyed. DE will be a nuisance for a very long time unless(until?) Tau figure out how to effectively strike Commorragh.

Tau are virtually insusceptible to the influence of Chaos, so it will never effectively get a foothold on their society.

Necrons will put up a good fight until the Tau progress beyond them. Since 'crons have no kinetic weapons, Tau need to figure out armor that nullifies gauss, and/or invent a weapon that deactivates Necron robotics, or solves the riddle of Necron phasing and reconstruction.

Tau are learning to deal with Orks and Tyranids and it's only a matter of time before they come up with the right virus or similar way to systematically annihilate the two.

Currently, they could be wiped out, but there really is no army in a position to do so, and before long, nobody will be able. Tau are multiplying like rabbits. And their weapons and technology are getting more powerful at a rate that surpasses that of the other armies. After the dust settles, it's not hard to imagine them (and their allies) being the last ones standing.

Wow that was Tau fanwank, even if you aren't a fanboi.

The Tau have not left them in the dust, that's amazing that you think that. Everything The Imperium uses is infinitely more complicated an advanced even if the end product is different.

Sorry, the Tau will annex The Eldar? Good luck finding them, and then getting them off The Craftworld.
Effectively strike at Cammoragh? Now we're getting ridiculous. How do they find it? How do they defeat the billions of angry Dark Eldar? Not to mention Vect himself and the other Archons? A few hours of attacking the Dark City utterly crippled about a Chapters worth of Space Marines and left about half alive, with only one ship out of 6. They survived because Vect LET THEM LEAVE.

They can't be willfully corrupted. They can still choose, and they can still die, Chaos could consume them all the same.

This advancement isn't a certainty. Just because they've gone quite far doesn't mean they can continue. Since all their weaponry is just heat, explain how they will do any better than the Guard. Nullify Gauss? That's takes some amount of imagination to think that's easily possible.

Again, not a certainty. If the Mechanicus and The Ordo Xenos haven't come up with anything in 10,000 years, good luck Tau is all I can say. Not to mention that The Tyranids will adapt to become immune to it in the next wave of a single Hive Fleet, not to mention that every-single fleet is fundamentally different.

Currently, every other race could destroy the Tau, easily. Even The Eldar, who likely out-number them. Multiplying like Rabbits? Sorry what? Pure Speculation, with nothing to back up that so don't speak of it like it's a certainty either.
For me, it's hard to imagine the Tau surviving in their current form for another 100 years if the current cannon of the imminent apocalypse is to be believed.

The Bringer wrote:How is Tau in 3rd place?!?

I'm actually surprised that the Imperium is in 1st.

I would have said orks or nids would win.

It's not would it's should


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Archonate wrote:

The Bringer wrote:How is Tau in 3rd place?!?

Well, the way I see it, Tau are the only ones that are really innovating and progressing technologically in the galaxy.

The Imperium can't. They still regard technology superstitiously as though it were magic, understood only by their priesthood, and they aren't innovating at all. They still use centuries-old weapons. Tau have already left them in the dust tech wise, and will continue to progress so far beyond, that eventually subverting the Imperium will be a galactic cake-walk.

Eldar and DE are bent on preserving their lifestyles, not really interested in change/improvement. Eldar won't keep up with Tau and their Craftworlds will be annexed or destroyed. DE will be a nuisance for a very long time unless(until?) Tau figure out how to effectively strike Commorragh.

Tau are virtually insusceptible to the influence of Chaos, so it will never effectively get a foothold on their society.

Necrons will put up a good fight until the Tau progress beyond them. Since 'crons have no kinetic weapons, Tau need to figure out armor that nullifies gauss, and/or invent a weapon that deactivates Necron robotics, or solves the riddle of Necron phasing and reconstruction.

Tau are learning to deal with Orks and Tyranids and it's only a matter of time before they come up with the right virus or similar way to systematically annihilate the two.

Currently, they could be wiped out, but there really is no army in a position to do so, and before long, nobody will be able. Tau are multiplying like rabbits. And their weapons and technology are getting more powerful at a rate that surpasses that of the other armies. After the dust settles, it's not hard to imagine them (and their allies) being the last ones standing.

Tau are progressing quickly, but they are in a severly bad position now the only reason they are currently alive is major plot armor. They are completely surrounded in their small corner of the galaxy. A huge hive fleet is currently coming to nom them. The Imperium ignores them because they're so small if they continue to grow they could crush them with numbers. They also haven't grown large enough for chaos to care about them. Wait I just went against the theme of my own thread. Tau shouldn't win because they are communists and a brainwashed universe is not a fun universe

Remember people it's who SHOULD win. Not who will probably win.

And honestly I am still with the Tau. They are the best choice. The IoM should NOT win because they have (for the most part) completely abandoned everything the Emperor was trying to teach them. They have abandoned the Imperial Truth. In fact if the Primarchs came back they would probably reconquest all the planets because technically all of humanity has turned religious. And the Primarchs would probably kill the high lords of Terra as well.

The IoM shouldn't win until they get their act straight again.

Agreed, The Imperium shouldn't win, at least not in it's current form. Although it poses the question that could it survive? The Imperium exists due to the threats humanity faces. Once they're removed, how can it survive in it's current form?

iproxtaco wrote:Agreed, The Imperium shouldn't win, at least not in it's current form. Although it poses the question that could it survive? The Imperium exists due to the threats humanity faces. Once they're removed, how can it survive in it's current form?

It wouldn't. Once the common enemies were removed, man would turn its attention on itself. It would be really really ugly.

Anyone else find it funny nids are tied for second I guess people want their galaxy to get nomed

Not funny, just plain irritating that a lot of people don't understand the OP's question or didn't even look at it.

All right, Imperium kick ass big time




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The Bringer wrote:But why should they?

Because they are Human and you are Human. You think Humanity should die out?

Chaos can never be defeated as it is a belief.

The full might of the Imperium vs any one other faction would be pretty brutal save for the Orks and Tyranids seeing as how we don't really have an idea of what their full capabilities are.

Sure it can, if there's no one to believe in it.

iproxtaco wrote:The Tau have not left them in the dust, that's amazing that you think that. Everything The Imperium uses is infinitely more complicated an advanced even if the end product is different.

More complicated =/= more advanced. A lasgun is heavier than a pulse rifle. Probably has a more complicated load out. But it is most definitely an inferior weapon. As is the bolter. Power armor is a clunky, complicated version of a Tau stealth suit, except it has no stealth capability. Why? Because the technology is inferior and less efficient. And Power armor is far more rare. It's archeotech that is still in use because the imperium thinks that innovation is the devil. Meanwhile, Tau stealth teams are milling about in armor equally durable, which augments their strength to that of a SM, with jet packs and stealth technology, acute senses, a gun like a heavy bolter, AND can be fitted with a Targetting Array to give them the BS of a SM... According to the Tau Codex "Whether or not the XV22 becomes approved for general use will be determined by its performance in the battles of the third sphere expansion." In other words "If they like it, all Firewarriors will soon be wearing it." Which is pretty much the story with all Tau tech. The amazing weapons and armor that their leaders are wearing now, could become the mass produced standard issue for the Firewarriors of tomorrow. In 100 years SMs will be using the same crap armor and gakky guns while the Tau are sporting vastly superior tech.

Sorry, the Tau will annex The Eldar? Good luck finding them, and then getting them off The Craftworld.

I didn't say they would annex the Eldar now did I. I said they would annex the Craftworlds. Though I think it's more likely that they'll come to some sort of peace treaty out of respect for their Eldars and leave them alone. Eldar aren't trying to take over the galaxy, so they're not much of a threat to what the Tau are trying to achieve.

Effectively strike at Cammoragh? Now we're getting ridiculous. How do they find it? How do they defeat the billions of angry Dark Eldar? Not to mention Vect himself and the other Archons? A few hours of attacking the Dark City utterly crippled about a Chapters worth of Space Marines and left about half alive, with only one ship out of 6. They survived because Vect LET THEM LEAVE.

You make it sound like I'm suggesting they could accomplish this in their present state. Of course not. Honestly I think the DE would be the winners in the end if they cared about taking over the galaxy, but they don't. They just focus on enjoying themselves and living for one more day. Which is why I say they'd be a massive nuisance until the day the Tau get powerful and advanced enough.

They can't be willfully corrupted. They can still choose, and they can still die, Chaos could consume them all the same.

True, if only chaos could get a foothold on Tau society. As the other races face extinction, Chaos would get weaker and weaker. Tau, with their lack of psychic latency, is one race that doesn't feed Chaos.

Just because they've gone quite far doesn't mean they can continue.

Really? What would stop them? Seems like all this war has just been a big opportunity for them to field test and implement even better tech... Why would that suddenly come to a halt?

Since all their weaponry is just heat, explain how they will do any better than the Guard.

Okay let's pretend they don't have a wide variety of missiles, as well as Railgun tech. (neither of which are heat based) How is their heat weapons tech relevant? You realize that real plasma is so hot that there is no substance on Earth that can contain it without melting into vapor? Their standard infantry are using that because Tau found a way use it without risking the operator being cooked... Something the Ad Mech has yet to figure out.

Nullify Gauss? That's takes some amount of imagination to think that's easily possible.

I never said it would be easily possible. Frankly, it doesn't need to be... It only needs to be possible for the Tau to eventually figure it out.

If the Mechanicus and The Ordo Xenos haven't come up with anything in 10,000 years, good luck Tau is all I can say.

This might mean something the Mechanicus and Ordo Xenos weren't hung up on perpetuating the use of inferior technology.

Not to mention that The Tyranids will adapt to become immune to it in the next wave of a single Hive Fleet, not to mention that every-single fleet is fundamentally different.

But this is the best thing about the Tau, THEY evolve to overcome also. There's nothing the Tyranids do that the Tau don't quickly find a way to counter.

Currently, every other race could destroy the Tau, easily.

I agree... But none of them are in any position to do so.

Multiplying like Rabbits? Sorry what? Pure Speculation, with nothing to back up that so don't speak of it like it's a certainty either.

With a lifespan of about 40 years, they've cranked out 2 or 3 generations in the time it takes us to crank out 1.

For me, it's hard to imagine the Tau surviving in their current form for another 100 years if the current cannon of the imminent apocalypse is to be believed.

The question is, who is going to bring about that apocalypse?

Archonate wrote:illusions about tau tech.....

Archonate wrote:
I didn't say they would annex the Eldar now did I. I said they would annex the Craftworlds. Though I think it's more likely that they'll come to some sort of peace treaty out of respect for their Eldars and leave them alone. Eldar aren't trying to take over the galaxy, so they're not much of a threat to what the Tau are trying to achieve.

so eldar sell their craftworlds ? financial crisis?
Because they would never deem anyone equal to them and surely the whole background of 40k never told us of their view upon who shall rule this galaxy...

Archonate wrote:Honestly I think the DE would be the winners in the end if they cared about taking over the galaxy, but they don't. They just focus on enjoying themselves and living for one more day. Which is why I say they'd be a massive nuisance until the day the Tau get powerful and advanced enough.

DE have to evade someones attention so taking over the galaxy isn't possible.
To claim the subject you cheering on here just needs to become powerful enough.....Did you spot the " leave plot armor at the wardrobe" sign of this thread?

Archonate wrote:True, if only chaos could get a foothold on Tau society. As the other races face extinction, Chaos would get weaker and weaker. Tau, with their lack of psychic latency, is one race that doesn't feed Chaos.

But their allies may. And Tau still provide blood to be shed, skulls to be taken, emotions to be had.
So a low profile doesn't mean 100% protection.
PLus, we are again at the misconception of contenders sitting at the sidelines unharmed.

Archonate wrote:Really? What would stop them? Seems like all this war has just been a big opportunity for them to field test and implement even better tech... Why would that suddenly come to a halt?

Lets see..there is a 5th edition and a certain race doesn't seem to win their conflicts.
Maybe this tech isn't that much better but follows the actual trend of real life for endless amounts of "features", thus is more gimmicky ...

Archonate wrote:Okay let's pretend they don't have a wide variety of missiles, as well as Railgun tech. (neither of which are heat based) How is their heat weapons tech relevant? You realize that real plasma is so hot that there is no substance on Earth that can contain it without melting into vapor? Their standard infantry are using that because Tau found a way use it without risking the operator being cooked... Something the Ad Mech has yet to figure out.

Looks at the fact of nids resilient to these plasma weapons.

Looks at the fact of nids not resilient to imperial plasma weapons.


Mechanicum needed only a few moments to figure out Tau tech last time we had fluff about that. Maybe they just don't have any interest in that sort of weapon?

Archonate wrote: It only needs to be possible for the Tau to eventually figure it out

Wishful thinking?
Last war the necrons fought in a fully awakened state was against the whole galaxy and a race able to create new species.
Didn't seem it was possible to figure out any counter to gauss.

Archonate wrote:This might mean something the Mechanicus and Ordo Xenos weren't hung up on perpetuating the use of inferior technology.

Its always a good thing when those xenos fall into the trap of "superiority". Let them think they got a chance.
They may not run away then, so this galaxy can be cleansed properly.

Archonate wrote:But this is the best thing about the Tau, THEY evolve to overcome also. There's nothing the Tyranids do that the Tau don't quickly find a way to counter.

Still too slow and beeing eaten without help in every single bit of fluff.
And thats the best of them? Bye bye blue-grey nid food.

Archonate wrote: none of them are in any position to do so.

Until the magical pen of a author places them right there.
Wait, we assume the races have to stay where they are just to keep the Tau safe?

Archonate wrote:With a lifespan of about 40 years, they've cranked out 2 or 3 generations in the time it takes us to crank out 1.

Cool . Eldar now outbreed the orks, just because they live soo long.....

Archonate wrote:The question is, who is going to bring about that apocalypse?

GW if they don't stop M.W.

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This post of yours is a good argument why the IoM SHOULD win.
You know, should, not would.

Talking entirely in should-land (where the should-land High baseball teams get their bums handed to them by their cross town rivals, reality-check tech) I have noticed several people posting messages along the lines of "If you don't want IoM to win, you want humanity to die, and because you are a human, that's tantamount to treason"
My retort to that is saying -there are humans non affiliated with the IoM-
[example]It's as if someone declaring war on Nato and being accused of genocide. Maybe I just don't like how Nato runs things? [/example]
Return to beloved should-land, let's take a look at each race's motivations for war.

IoM- Humans are the master race, all else should be destroyed.
Dark Eldar- Orgy till the sun comes back on and shows us how ugly we've gotten
Tau- Follow our religion and economic strong arming or die?
Chaos- (at least at the purest intention) Honor, Love, Acceptance, and Hope
(and on the other hand) Mass-Murder, Mass-Orgies, Mass-Pandemics, and constant unrest
Necrons- I'm going to leave this one alone until matt ward flushes his toilet on our tables.
Eldar- Choose a life of piracy or sit around not trying to make the galaxy better at all.
Orks- I like an earlier post of someone likening it to a long Saturday night. Doesn't sound bad to me. (Mind you all my saturday nights start by playing orks and then getting sloshed)
And Lastly,
The Evil, Vile, (and more or less inept) Tyranids-
Now ask yourself, for what do the Tyranid fight for? Wealth? No. Status? No. Women? Well, when they get hungry.
The Tyranid fight not for greed.
The Tyranid fight not for land.
The Tyranid fight not all these great vices not only shown, but put on display by every other race as a cornerstone of civilization.
Children of the emperor talk of his protection. You think he shields you from the Tyranid? His light draws them to you!
If I were him, I would denounce my children for causing mass genocides.
The Emperor fought to end strife, not to end life.
The IoM have become slothful, relying on dogma to keep a failing power structure from collapsing.
The Tau have become to proud to work with anyone not underneath them.
Every race has at least one of the 7 deadly sins screaming from every page of the codex in a similar fashion.
But not the Tyranid. They show piety, and when beaten, they fall with honor, typically fighting to the last synapse beast.
They show moderation, and use every ounce of bio-matter, showing true respect to the fallen, as the native american with the bison.
Only they have true equality, as a Hive Tyrant is treated with as much respect as a Termagaunt.
Theirs is the way of peace, as after Tyranid "Rule" controls a planet, no war shall grip it again.

But, alas! The Tyranid "threat" isn't really a threat, since apparently, any ragtag group of meddling kids riding around in a mystery machine can give them a whooping.
That being said, I hope the khantonians win! YAY!

(I'm sure people are gonna disprove this left and right. But it is gonna stick with you. And just remember, trying to bring back the emperor is like the nazis trying to bring back hitler-Indiana jones will stop you, if Dr. venture's incompetence doesn't first. )

1hadhq hit the nail on the head. I'd advise Archonate to stop fanwanking before it starts to chaff. Everything you've said so far is unbridled speculation and wishful thinking. Here's the reality, the Tau are a small insignificant but up-and-coming race. They have some cool tech, but nothing near to man-power or the experience to do anything but a be minor nuisance to any of the other race. It would take a hell of a lot of luck and plot armour to put them in the position you seem to think is a possibility.

Always the good guys - the Imperium.

Archonate wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:The Tau have not left them in the dust, that's amazing that you think that. Everything The Imperium uses is infinitely more complicated an advanced even if the end product is different.

More complicated =/= more advanced. A lasgun is heavier than a pulse rifle. Probably has a more complicated load out. But it is most definitely an inferior weapon. As is the bolter. Power armor is a clunky, complicated version of a Tau stealth suit, except it has no stealth capability. Why? Because the technology is inferior and less efficient. And Power armor is far more rare. It's archeotech that is still in use because the imperium thinks that innovation is the devil. Meanwhile, Tau stealth teams are milling about in armor equally durable, which augments their strength to that of a SM, with jet packs and stealth technology, acute senses, a gun like a heavy bolter, AND can be fitted with a Targetting Array to give them the BS of a SM... According to the Tau Codex "Whether or not the XV22 becomes approved for general use will be determined by its performance in the battles of the third sphere expansion." In other words "If they like it, all Firewarriors will soon be wearing it." Which is pretty much the story with all Tau tech. The amazing weapons and armor that their leaders are wearing now, could become the mass produced standard issue for the Firewarriors of tomorrow. In 100 years SMs will be using the same crap armor and gakky guns while the Tau are sporting vastly superior tech.

Sorry, the Tau will annex The Eldar? Good luck finding them, and then getting them off The Craftworld.

I didn't say they would annex the Eldar now did I. I said they would annex the Craftworlds. Though I think it's more likely that they'll come to some sort of peace treaty out of respect for their Eldars and leave them alone. Eldar aren't trying to take over the galaxy, so they're not much of a threat to what the Tau are trying to achieve.

Effectively strike at Cammoragh? Now we're getting ridiculous. How do they find it? How do they defeat the billions of angry Dark Eldar? Not to mention Vect himself and the other Archons? A few hours of attacking the Dark City utterly crippled about a Chapters worth of Space Marines and left about half alive, with only one ship out of 6. They survived because Vect LET THEM LEAVE.

You make it sound like I'm suggesting they could accomplish this in their present state. Of course not. Honestly I think the DE would be the winners in the end if they cared about taking over the galaxy, but they don't. They just focus on enjoying themselves and living for one more day. Which is why I say they'd be a massive nuisance until the day the Tau get powerful and advanced enough.

They can't be willfully corrupted. They can still choose, and they can still die, Chaos could consume them all the same.

True, if only chaos could get a foothold on Tau society. As the other races face extinction, Chaos would get weaker and weaker. Tau, with their lack of psychic latency, is one race that doesn't feed Chaos.

Just because they've gone quite far doesn't mean they can continue.

Really? What would stop them? Seems like all this war has just been a big opportunity for them to field test and implement even better tech... Why would that suddenly come to a halt?

Since all their weaponry is just heat, explain how they will do any better than the Guard.

Okay let's pretend they don't have a wide variety of missiles, as well as Railgun tech. (neither of which are heat based) How is their heat weapons tech relevant? You realize that real plasma is so hot that there is no substance on Earth that can contain it without melting into vapor? Their standard infantry are using that because Tau found a way use it without risking the operator being cooked... Something the Ad Mech has yet to figure out.

Nullify Gauss? That's takes some amount of imagination to think that's easily possible.

I never said it would be easily possible. Frankly, it doesn't need to be... It only needs to be possible for the Tau to eventually figure it out.

If the Mechanicus and The Ordo Xenos haven't come up with anything in 10,000 years, good luck Tau is all I can say.

This might mean something the Mechanicus and Ordo Xenos weren't hung up on perpetuating the use of inferior technology.

Not to mention that The Tyranids will adapt to become immune to it in the next wave of a single Hive Fleet, not to mention that every-single fleet is fundamentally different.

But this is the best thing about the Tau, THEY evolve to overcome also. There's nothing the Tyranids do that the Tau don't quickly find a way to counter.

Currently, every other race could destroy the Tau, easily.

I agree... But none of them are in any position to do so.

Multiplying like Rabbits? Sorry what? Pure Speculation, with nothing to back up that so don't speak of it like it's a certainty either.

With a lifespan of about 40 years, they've cranked out 2 or 3 generations in the time it takes us to crank out 1.

For me, it's hard to imagine the Tau surviving in their current form for another 100 years if the current cannon of the imminent apocalypse is to be believed.

The question is, who is going to bring about that apocalypse?

Every race is in a position to take them out. If you've ever looked on a star map they are completely surrounded as soon as they become a threat they will be crushed. The Imperium has much better tech then the Tau, it is just impossible to mass produce where the las gun is cheap and efficient fluff wise. The tau are so small they can mass produce their best stuff. Tell me a vortex missile is inferior to a railgun. Also this is fluff wise so Power armour is much more effective than stealth suits. Tau do not evolve as fast as tyranid even trying to say this is ridiculous as it takes any other race thousands of years to evolve when it takes tyranid two weeks. Having a lifespan of 40 years nullifies the fact that they breed more, and humans breed just as fast and live 150 years on a standard untreated citizen. This thread is fluff wise because everything on the tabletop has to be made fair. That being said Imperium tech is equilly efficient and cheaper.


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But i digress again this is a should thread not a would and your Tau communism has no place in it

iproxtaco wrote:Wow that was Tau fanwank, even if you aren't a fanboi.

The Tau have not left them in the dust, that's amazing that you think that. Everything The Imperium uses is infinitely more complicated an advanced even if the end product is different.

Sorry, the Tau will annex The Eldar? Good luck finding them, and then getting them off The Craftworld.
Effectively strike at Cammoragh? Now we're getting ridiculous. How do they find it? How do they defeat the billions of angry Dark Eldar? Not to mention Vect himself and the other Archons? A few hours of attacking the Dark City utterly crippled about a Chapters worth of Space Marines and left about half alive, with only one ship out of 6. They survived because Vect LET THEM LEAVE.

They can't be willfully corrupted. They can still choose, and they can still die, Chaos could consume them all the same.

This advancement isn't a certainty. Just because they've gone quite far doesn't mean they can continue. Since all their weaponry is just heat, explain how they will do any better than the Guard. Nullify Gauss? That's takes some amount of imagination to think that's easily possible.

Again, not a certainty. If the Mechanicus and The Ordo Xenos haven't come up with anything in 10,000 years, good luck Tau is all I can say. Not to mention that The Tyranids will adapt to become immune to it in the next wave of a single Hive Fleet, not to mention that every-single fleet is fundamentally different.

Currently, every other race could destroy the Tau, easily. Even The Eldar, who likely out-number them. Multiplying like Rabbits? Sorry what? Pure Speculation, with nothing to back up that so don't speak of it like it's a certainty either.
For me, it's hard to imagine the Tau surviving in their current form for another 100 years if the current cannon of the imminent apocalypse is to be believed.

OK, I agree with what you're saying, but how in the hell is killing about 500 guys a crushing victory? I'm suprised they even managed to land before every ship was blown to pieces by AA batteries. Even if Vect told them to ceasefire, if it's anywhere near as fortified as Cadia they would be swatted out of the sky before the order is issued. Although I'm guessing this is just the writers not wanting to kill of their precious marines .
And the second thing, the current state the Tau are in is being ignored by every other major faction simply beacause they're not a real threat. With the Tyranids being preoccupied with Imperial forces and not making much progress, they could easily keep from pissing anyone off, while their technology and population grows, until a few hundred years later they might have a minute chance of expanding without being ground into the dirt.

No matter who "wins", Orks win.

There is only war.

TrollPie wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:Wow that was Tau fanwank, even if you aren't a fanboi.

The Tau have not left them in the dust, that's amazing that you think that. Everything The Imperium uses is infinitely more complicated an advanced even if the end product is different.

Sorry, the Tau will annex The Eldar? Good luck finding them, and then getting them off The Craftworld.
Effectively strike at Cammoragh? Now we're getting ridiculous. How do they find it? How do they defeat the billions of angry Dark Eldar? Not to mention Vect himself and the other Archons? A few hours of attacking the Dark City utterly crippled about a Chapters worth of Space Marines and left about half alive, with only one ship out of 6. They survived because Vect LET THEM LEAVE.

They can't be willfully corrupted. They can still choose, and they can still die, Chaos could consume them all the same.

This advancement isn't a certainty. Just because they've gone quite far doesn't mean they can continue. Since all their weaponry is just heat, explain how they will do any better than the Guard. Nullify Gauss? That's takes some amount of imagination to think that's easily possible.

Again, not a certainty. If the Mechanicus and The Ordo Xenos haven't come up with anything in 10,000 years, good luck Tau is all I can say. Not to mention that The Tyranids will adapt to become immune to it in the next wave of a single Hive Fleet, not to mention that every-single fleet is fundamentally different.

Currently, every other race could destroy the Tau, easily. Even The Eldar, who likely out-number them. Multiplying like Rabbits? Sorry what? Pure Speculation, with nothing to back up that so don't speak of it like it's a certainty either.
For me, it's hard to imagine the Tau surviving in their current form for another 100 years if the current cannon of the imminent apocalypse is to be believed.

OK, I agree with what you're saying, but how in the hell is killing about 500 guys a crushing victory? I'm suprised they even managed to land before every ship was blown to pieces by AA batteries. Even if Vect told them to ceasefire, if it's anywhere near as fortified as Cadia they would be swatted out of the sky before the order is issued. Although I'm guessing this is just the writers not wanting to kill of their precious marines .
And the second thing, the current state the Tau are in is being ignored by every other major faction simply beacause they're not a real threat. With the Tyranids being preoccupied with Imperial forces and not making much progress, they could easily keep from pissing anyone off, while their technology and population grows, until a few hundred years later they might have a minute chance of expanding without being ground into the dirt.

This argument is not for this thread. It's should!!!!!!!!!!!! Which brings me back to why the tau shouldn't, they are brainwashed communists

Orks should win, and in their happy go lucky, "psychological perfection" they can then kill off this weirdly overrated thing called "grimdark"

Melissia wrote:No matter who "wins", Orks win.

There is only war.

Actually Orks would be a good choice to win they wouldn't kill everyone cause then there would be nobody else to fight thus there would only be war

Basically Orks have already won.

TrollPie wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:Wow that was Tau fanwank, even if you aren't a fanboi.

The Tau have not left them in the dust, that's amazing that you think that. Everything The Imperium uses is infinitely more complicated an advanced even if the end product is different.

Sorry, the Tau will annex The Eldar? Good luck finding them, and then getting them off The Craftworld.
Effectively strike at Cammoragh? Now we're getting ridiculous. How do they find it? How do they defeat the billions of angry Dark Eldar? Not to mention Vect himself and the other Archons? A few hours of attacking the Dark City utterly crippled about a Chapters worth of Space Marines and left about half alive, with only one ship out of 6. They survived because Vect LET THEM LEAVE.

They can't be willfully corrupted. They can still choose, and they can still die, Chaos could consume them all the same.

This advancement isn't a certainty. Just because they've gone quite far doesn't mean they can continue. Since all their weaponry is just heat, explain how they will do any better than the Guard. Nullify Gauss? That's takes some amount of imagination to think that's easily possible.

Again, not a certainty. If the Mechanicus and The Ordo Xenos haven't come up with anything in 10,000 years, good luck Tau is all I can say. Not to mention that The Tyranids will adapt to become immune to it in the next wave of a single Hive Fleet, not to mention that every-single fleet is fundamentally different.

Currently, every other race could destroy the Tau, easily. Even The Eldar, who likely out-number them. Multiplying like Rabbits? Sorry what? Pure Speculation, with nothing to back up that so don't speak of it like it's a certainty either.
For me, it's hard to imagine the Tau surviving in their current form for another 100 years if the current cannon of the imminent apocalypse is to be believed.

OK, I agree with what you're saying, but how in the hell is killing about 500 guys a crushing victory? I'm suprised they even managed to land before every ship was blown to pieces by AA batteries. Even if Vect told them to ceasefire, if it's anywhere near as fortified as Cadia they would be swatted out of the sky before the order is issued. Although I'm guessing this is just the writers not wanting to kill of their precious marines .

It was never about the Marines. The entire point of the invasion was to remove Vest's enemies and humiliate the rest. The fact that he can decimate so many and cripple their ships as part of plan to de-throne is enemies is a fairly good example of how the Tau will have a more difficult time trying to take it if they try a forceful invasion.

Zomjie wrote:Necrons would for 4 reasons:

1. they controlled the galaxy before but went into stasis so their "cattle" could repopulate the galaxy

2. they never are destroyed, they are phased back into their tombs to be rebuilt and sent out to kill again

3. what we see currently is only a small portion of the full necron empire, many planets beyond imperium explored space have yet to be awakened

4. the C'tan are Gods, what other race has gods fighting for them?

Tyranids would win for 5 reasons:

1. They are claiming the universe planet by planet and nothing they have aimed for has been denied to them.

2. They can never be destroyed, they are simply turned back into the ooze pits and reformed as new tyranids aboard there hive fleet ships.

3. what we see currently is only a miniscule portion of the possibilities of the full tyranid force, most of the galaxy beyond the imperium belongs to them.

4. The Hive mind is an omniscient god, and yes almost every race in the 40k universe has gods on their side.

5. they are fast and spread like wild fire across whole sectors, not even the full force of the imperium could defeat them if they put any effort into concurring this universe.

Hezekial wrote:

Zomjie wrote:Necrons would for 4 reasons:

1. they controlled the galaxy before but went into stasis so their "cattle" could repopulate the galaxy

2. they never are destroyed, they are phased back into their tombs to be rebuilt and sent out to kill again

3. what we see currently is only a small portion of the full necron empire, many planets beyond imperium explored space have yet to be awakened

4. the C'tan are Gods, what other race has gods fighting for them?

Tyranids would win for 5 reasons:

1. They are claiming the universe planet by planet and nothing they have aimed for has been denied to them.

2. They can never be destroyed, they are simply turned back into the ooze pits and reformed as new tyranids aboard there hive fleet ships.

3. what we see currently is only a miniscule portion of the possibilities of the full tyranid force, most of the galaxy beyond the imperium belongs to them.

4. The Hive mind is an omniscient god, and yes almost every race in the 40k universe has gods on their side.

5. they are fast and spread like wild fire across whole sectors, not even the full force of the imperium could defeat them if they put any effort into concurring this universe.

READ THE OP PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hezekial wrote:

Zomjie wrote:Necrons would for 4 reasons:

1. they controlled the galaxy before but went into stasis so their "cattle" could repopulate the galaxy

2. they never are destroyed, they are phased back into their tombs to be rebuilt and sent out to kill again

3. what we see currently is only a small portion of the full necron empire, many planets beyond imperium explored space have yet to be awakened

4. the C'tan are Gods, what other race has gods fighting for them?

Tyranids would win for 5 reasons:

1. They are claiming the universe planet by planet and nothing they have aimed for has been denied to them.

All previous fleets have been destroyed, their objective has been denied time and time again.

2. They can never be destroyed, they are simply turned back into the ooze pits and reformed as new tyranids aboard there hive fleet ships.

Destroying the Hive Fleets kills them, and that's happened plenty of times.

3. what we see currently is only a miniscule portion of the possibilities of the full tyranid force, most of the galaxy beyond the imperium belongs to them.

Potentially there could be many more fleets, key word is potentially. The second point is wrong.

4. The Hive mind is an omniscient god, and yes almost every race in the 40k universe has gods on their side.

The Hive Mind is not a God, it's a collective thought process like that of an Ant colony.

5. they are fast and spread like wild fire across whole sectors, not even the full force of the imperium could defeat them if they put any effort into concurring this universe.

Which they have, and been destroyed. Two large Hive Fleets destroyed along with a host of Splinter Fleets. They've consumed a whopping 0.2% of The Imperium. Good Job
All this is speculation and fanwankery. Wishful thinking is not a basis for fact.

iproxtaco wrote:

Hezekial wrote:

Zomjie wrote:Necrons would for 4 reasons:

1. they controlled the galaxy before but went into stasis so their "cattle" could repopulate the galaxy

2. they never are destroyed, they are phased back into their tombs to be rebuilt and sent out to kill again

3. what we see currently is only a small portion of the full necron empire, many planets beyond imperium explored space have yet to be awakened

4. the C'tan are Gods, what other race has gods fighting for them?

Tyranids would win for 5 reasons:

1. They are claiming the universe planet by planet and nothing they have aimed for has been denied to them.

All previous fleets have been destroyed, their objective has been denied time and time again.

2. They can never be destroyed, they are simply turned back into the ooze pits and reformed as new tyranids aboard there hive fleet ships.

Destroying the Hive Fleets kills them, and that's happened plenty of times.

3. what we see currently is only a miniscule portion of the possibilities of the full tyranid force, most of the galaxy beyond the imperium belongs to them.

Potentially there could be many more fleets, key word is potentially. The second point is wrong.

4. The Hive mind is an omniscient god, and yes almost every race in the 40k universe has gods on their side.

The Hive Mind is not a God, it's a collective thought process like that of an Ant colony.

5. they are fast and spread like wild fire across whole sectors, not even the full force of the imperium could defeat them if they put any effort into concurring this universe.

Which they have, and been destroyed. Two large Hive Fleets destroyed along with a host of Splinter Fleets. They've consumed a whopping 0.2% of The Imperium. Good Job
All this is speculation and fanwankery. Wishful thinking is not a basis for fact.

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I know that, but I like countering the fanwankery that goes on.

Hezekial wrote:

Zomjie wrote:Necrons would for 4 reasons:

1. they controlled the galaxy before but went into stasis so their "cattle" could repopulate the galaxy

2. they never are destroyed, they are phased back into their tombs to be rebuilt and sent out to kill again

3. what we see currently is only a small portion of the full necron empire, many planets beyond imperium explored space have yet to be awakened

4. the C'tan are Gods, what other race has gods fighting for them?

Tyranids would win for 5 reasons:

1. They are claiming the universe planet by planet and nothing they have aimed for has been denied to them.

2. They can never be destroyed, they are simply turned back into the ooze pits and reformed as new tyranids aboard there hive fleet ships.

3. what we see currently is only a miniscule portion of the possibilities of the full tyranid force, most of the galaxy beyond the imperium belongs to them.

4. The Hive mind is an omniscient god, and yes almost every race in the 40k universe has gods on their side.

5. they are fast and spread like wild fire across whole sectors, not even the full force of the imperium could defeat them if they put any effort into concurring this universe.

You two can argue all you want ... Imperium is still winning

To bring the thread back to where it was I think that at this moment the eldar should win. IOM has lost it's sense of direction so unless they change back to the way they were they should lose. Eldar would in my opinion take place of the old ones in a way. They have come so close to falling that they know what their mistakes are as with age comes wisdom. They aslo don't actively exterminate other races unless they will become a threat to theirs. If they had power they would sheperd the Tau and Humans, not necessarily Imperium into more prosperity while actively fighting against choas Nids Orks and Necrons

it's not fanwankery, it's my interpretation of a number of collective fictional texts, therefore there is no basis of fact involved in any of it unless somehow the human race really does find aliens and they are exactly like in this game :S then you can tell me that the tyranids shouldn't win

Hezekial wrote:it's not fanwankery, it's my interpretation of a number of collective fictional texts, therefore there is no basis of fact involved in any of it unless somehow the human race really does find aliens and they are exactly like in this game :S then you can tell me that the tyranids shouldn't win

It doesn't matter that argument had no place on this thread if you voted tyranid tell him why they should win not why they will win if you don't feal like doing that then there are atleast four other threads that are why they will.

i did originally post why they should win then desided to ruin someone elses post about why necrons will win by giving why tyranids will win, as the necron one was complete idiosy and i basically copied it for tryanids and everyone has a go at me for basically immitating someone elses which was simply to prove them wrong.

Melissia wrote:Basically Orks have already won.

Mother of God, they have everything they want..............


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I think Tau should win largely because they aren't 'XENO MUST DIE'.

Now for who would win I would be inclined to say necron due to the fact that once Nids eat the organic stuff theyll just drift off to another galaxy, and Necrons can easily wait for more life to evolve from carbon molecules

What noone realises about the Necrons is that they're actually animal rights activists that tried to preserve the species of C'Tan, and they turn people into Pariahs because otherwise they'll be killed by the nasty other races. Buy your "I'd rather wear metal than my own blood" t-shirt today.

Imperium is gonna win! No more Heresy!...even though I play both tau and necron...

Scarey Nerd wrote:What noone realises about the Necrons is that they're actually animal rights activists that tried to preserve the species of C'Tan, and they turn people into Pariahs because otherwise they'll be killed by the nasty other races. Buy your "I'd rather wear metal than my own blood" t-shirt today.

Necrons should go to another Galaxy and bring a gak load more C'tan back since there's pretty much a C'tan for every star except in our galaxy because our four ate the rest and the Outsider is still having a bad tummy ache. And since Necrons could technically field a ridiculous amount of C'tan, they should win.

Hezekial wrote:i did originally post why they should win then desided to ruin someone elses post about why necrons will win by giving why tyranids will win, as the necron one was complete idiosy and i basically copied it for tryanids and everyone has a go at me for basically immitating someone elses which was simply to prove them wrong.

If you did i failed to find it the only other post I saw was also a would, but if I'm mistaken my bad.

On a different note I've come up with a reason for necrons. This is just a speculation for why they are an option doesn't change my eldar vote. The necrons winning would be a basic restart button for the galaxy the races in this universe are so messed up they should just be exterminated and new species allowed to regrow like the crons did last time

King Pariah wrote:Necrons should go to another Galaxy and bring a gak load more C'tan back since there's pretty much a C'tan for every star except in our galaxy because our four ate the rest and the Outsider is still having a bad tummy ache. And since Necrons could technically field a ridiculous amount of C'tan, they should win.

Just because the C'tan exist in our galaxy, doesn't mean they exist in others. Could they even retain sufficient energy to transverse the gulf between galaxies?

considering C'Tan feed upon the "essence" of biological life forms, and necrons have been know to sterilise planets to feed there masters, wouldnt nids pose an almost "unlimited" supply of food for the stargods?

also i think orks should win, as stated before they have everything they want and if they get bored they just start a no holds bard Saturday night fight and since for every ork theres a few hundred/thousand spores and the ones that survive get bigger stronger and darker green (without limit) they will just keep partying on (albeit i love the orks as a race, i just dont play them).

and yes, but until someone gets there finger out gets some innervation out there ass and fixes the golden throne so the emporue can come and knock some sense back into his people, to get them back onto the correct paths instead of the warped one the greed of the council has created the IOM (admittedly how much i love being human) will fall and die, its just a matter of time im afraid

orks it is!

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

King Pariah wrote:Necrons should go to another Galaxy and bring a gak load more C'tan back since there's pretty much a C'tan for every star except in our galaxy because our four ate the rest and the Outsider is still having a bad tummy ache. And since Necrons could technically field a ridiculous amount of C'tan, they should win.

Just because the C'tan exist in our galaxy, doesn't mean they exist in others. Could they even retain sufficient energy to transverse the gulf between galaxies?

It says that they were born with the Big Bang so that would imply that they're everywhere and may possibly be born with every nova.


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and if they have enough power to spawn random black holes at whim, why not?

Only the Imperium of Mankind shall win because they are simply too awesome to put into words, plus they super-humans who are also awesome, and finally anyone who says otherwise is a heretic thus untrustworthy to give a worthy answer unless they repent and join the side of the Imperium

nice one avondale couldn't have put it better myself

One word: Ynnead.
Once all the Craftworld Eldar die the big old shockwave of death kills everyone.

I remember reading somewhere that the Eldar think that the end comes when all the craftworlds simultaneously return to the Eldar homeworld at the centre of the Eye of Terror. Then there's the Rhana Dhandra, then you're all dead. Unless you happen to be an Eldar or Chaos slave. If so you die in the Rhana Dhandra. I think that means the only survivors are the Tyranid fleets outside of the galaxy.

I'd prefer the Craftworlds won, then those sexy sexy fire prisms can survive.


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avondale wrote:Only the Imperium of Mankind shall win because they are simply too awesome to put into words, plus they super-humans who are also awesome, and finally anyone who says otherwise is a heretic thus untrustworthy to give a worthy answer unless they repent and join the side of the Imperium

Go die for the sin of so obviously playing Space Marines. To Imperial Guard players I'm willing to be merciful.

TEMPERUS MAXIMUS wrote:One word: Ynnead.
Once all the Craftworld Eldar die the big old shockwave of death kills everyone.

I remember reading somewhere that the Eldar think that the end comes when all the craftworlds simultaneously return to the Eldar homeworld at the centre of the Eye of Terror. Then there's the Rhana Dhandra, then you're all dead. Unless you happen to be an Eldar or Chaos slave. If so you die in the Rhana Dhandra. I think that means the only survivors are the Tyranid fleets outside of the galaxy.

I'd prefer the Craftworlds won, then those sexy sexy fire prisms can survive.


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avondale wrote:Only the Imperium of Mankind shall win because they are simply too awesome to put into words, plus they super-humans who are also awesome, and finally anyone who says otherwise is a heretic thus untrustworthy to give a worthy answer unless they repent and join the side of the Imperium

Go die for the sin of so obviously playing Space Marines. To Imperial Guard players I'm willing to be merciful.

Oh my god it's should people not would why does nobody get the difference

I'm not going to lie, the c'tan should just rule everything. Or the old ones... But are they pushing the nids into the galaxy from afar? Yeah, other. C'tan cos they're all gods or the old ones cos they're gods... And I'm only ruling out chaos gods and eldar gods etc because these gods are infinitely better (as well as alive, something most of the eldar gods aren't). Or the laughing god, cos then the galaxy would be one giant circus with harlequins floating each other having inter-circus wars with jugglers and stuff! :L and clowns... Yes, I have come to the decision to vote 'other' because I think the harlequins and the laughing god should win!!

Should win? Tau. They are the only race to try and coexist with other races for the Greater Good. Diplomacy first, war as a last resort.

Will win? Necrons. The Tyranids will eventually run out of biomass and starve as the Crons merely sleep away a few million years or so
.Plus the Nids avoid the tomb worlds like a plague. Something to that.

Having applied logic to the question....Imperium will win of course

i like how no one has ever mentioned dark eldar...its because they suck...go imperium

Games Workshop will win.

From the distant reaches of the galaxy, a force of inimaginable size slowly crosses the vast gulf of space. Thousands of worlds are consumed, trillions die, and there is no end in sight to the onslaught. All resistance is crushed, and humanity trembles.

Their power is Cheese.

Their guidance is Ward.

Their goal is Profits.

Anyone who didn't vote for Chaos is going to be a skull in my skull chair after Chaos wins.

My summary of what will happen in M42:

The Tyranids will swarm over the Tau Empire and devour it all. The Void Dragon will awake and cripple Mars, but it will flee to gain strength. Abbadon will lead the 13th Black Crusade to Terra itself. Hivefleet Leviathan will swarm towards Terra. Every Imperial force that can return to the solar system will, and the Imperium will become a fortress in space. When the Golden Throne fails, the webway will be open onto Terra and the Dark Eldar will come through to enslave the Earth. The Orks will carry on as normal, but with all the attention on Terra many Warbosses will go to fight "Da Bigges' An' Bestes' WAAAGH!". With all the death and war, a warp storm will begin to swirl around the solar system, only being held at bay by the Grey Knights' awesome power. The Eldar craftworlds will pursue the Necrons and attempt to trap them in some way with their arcane magicks.

Scarey Nerd wrote:My summary of what will happen in M42:

The Tyranids will swarm over the Tau Empire and devour it all. The Void Dragon will awake and cripple Mars, but it will flee to gain strength. Abbadon will lead the 13th Black Crusade to Terra itself. Hivefleet Leviathan will swarm towards Terra. Every Imperial force that can return to the solar system will, and the Imperium will become a fortress in space. When the Golden Throne fails, the webway will be open onto Terra and the Dark Eldar will come through to enslave the Earth. The Orks will carry on as normal, but with all the attention on Terra many Warbosses will go to fight "Da Bigges' An' Bestes' WAAAGH!". With all the death and war, a warp storm will begin to swirl around the solar system, only being held at bay by the Grey Knights' awesome power. The Eldar craftworlds will pursue the Necrons and attempt to trap them in some way with their arcane magicks.

That is true awsome genius so no-one wins because the wars just change and alter, to be honest that is the most realistic as all life struggles with every last breath and ounce of strenght to survive. and with every force spread so drastically across the many universes and plains of reality that it would be impossible for one force to hunt down and wipe out them all. so the wars will continue ever onwards never ending and the combatants never changing forever the battlefields maybe ruined and destroyed the war will never end.
I think this concept makes the most sense and is nice an un-biast which i like

Orks are the Charlie Sheen of 40K...it's all about WINNING!!!

I think the Orkz are trying to compensate for somthing, if you know what I mean

Their complete and utter lack of genitalia since they are basically walking, talking fungi?

yep basically, or there small spore count

Omegus wrote:Their complete and utter lack of genitalia since they are basically walking, talking fungi?

They still have a urinary system, they drink alcohol.

Hezekial wrote:yep basically, or there small spore count

Hah! Touche!

The Epic Chaosdude!!! wrote:I voted for Eldar because they seem to be the only race that learns from their mistakes and could live in harmony with the other races.

-_-"

Tau basically.

But I think that if the IoM could be reformed into the Empire of man (Just a way to differentiate it) that was more tolerant of xenos, then human-Eldar strike forces supplied with pulse rifle would rape pretty hard. Imagine, all the guardsmen with pulse rifles...

But on a less...special...note, I think the Tau SHOULD win, but can't. Maybe if their fourth sphere expansion takes 5,000 worlds and suddenly all fire warriors have XV9s and kroot start wearing armour and Tau start breeding like rabits and all of a sudden have numbers similar to the IG they would have a chance, but that's not going to happen.

Just because you should win, doesn't mean you will

Imperium. Black Templars, specifically.

kronk wrote:Imperium. Black Templars, specifically.

Nah.

Once they ran out of xenos to purge, they would start purging imperial worlds and/or each other.

Well me and Mat Ward are doing the next edition of the 40k Rulebook and you will love some of the stuff we have in store for the 40k universe...

purplefood wrote:Well me and Mat Ward are doing the next edition of the 40k Rulebook and you will love some of the stuff we have in store for the 40k universe...

There is trolling and then there is this.

That is the most horrible thing I could possibly imagine.

U + ...it... writing the rulebook fluff would end up with the Emperor being flatulent and his gas bottled by custodes to fuel starship, titans, and for use as holy water (when wet).

i could see charlie sheen as an ork player, because they are both insane(orks and charlie sheen i mean)

im2randomghgh wrote:

purplefood wrote:Well me and Mat Ward are doing the next edition of the 40k Rulebook and you will love some of the stuff we have in store for the 40k universe...

There is trolling and then there is this.

That is the most horrible thing I could possibly imagine.

U + ...it... writing the rulebook fluff would end up with the Emperor being flatulent and his gas bottled by custodes to fuel starship, titans, and for use as holy water (when wet).

Do not worry, it will not come to that, GW board really believe in the God Emperor and they would never approve such thing.
Matt Ward also believe in god Emperor.

I think that GW should forward the story along a bit, have emperor die and be reincarnated and have a 5-10 year period of imperium getting owned, then release another edition where emperor is grown up and pwns chaos for a while and then another 5-10 years later, release another edition where it hits the fan and the main tyranid force arives, all necron tomb worlds activate, all orks unite in a big waaaaaggghh, and when it looks bad, bring in more human help from outside the galaxy!?! upon reading this, it sounds foolish, but my point is that I think the story should move on a little, i realize that people like the stalemateish state the galaxy is in now, but that can be kept and still push story forward

dajobe wrote:I think that GW should forward the story along a bit, have emperor die and be reincarnated and have a 5-10 year period of imperium getting owned, then release another edition where emperor is grown up and pwns chaos for a while and then another 5-10 years later, release another edition where it hits the fan and the main tyranid force arives, all necron tomb worlds activate, all orks unite in a big waaaaaggghh, and when it looks bad, bring in more human help from outside the galaxy!?! upon reading this, it sounds foolish, but my point is that I think the story should move on a little, i realize that people like the stalemateish state the galaxy is in now, but that can be kept and still push story forward

Lol, that isn't moving the plot on a little, that's accelerating it to light speed and holding on tight. Not that I disaprove, I would love them to actually advance the story, but then the name "Warhammer 40,000" will become a tad obsolete if the next few editions are set in 41,000...

true, if my plotline was accepted, pace would be picked up


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also, i cant believe tau are 2nd place in this poll, although they probably do have the most ethical ideals by today's standards,but they have yet to deal with a population size or territory size or even problems that the imperium has, we shall see how ethical they are if they ever reach that point


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but i do like my tau army btw

i still think orks should win :3 they we could all have a squib pie and fungus beer with a healthy order of DOOMBREAD! while partying all week end :3

i think that orks and the races of 40k should develop a tabletop wargame called 80k and play that in their free time, wouldnt want to play orks, or dark eldar, or chaos, or marines, or tyranid, or necron, because they'd probably kill me if i lost, and definitely kill me if i won

timetowaste85 wrote:The Chaos gods will win. I was going to go with Nids...but they probably won't do well going into the Warp. The Chaos gods will destroy the Nids after the Nids have eaten the rest of the universe.

the nids will according to Terry Prachets law of belief be able to "kill" the chaos gods as they will have no believers devotees or worshipers to give them strength.


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im2randomghgh wrote:

purplefood wrote:Well me and Mat Ward are doing the next edition of the 40k Rulebook and you will love some of the stuff we have in store for the 40k universe...

There is trolling and then there is this.

That is the most horrible thing I could possibly imagine.

U + ...it... writing the rulebook fluff would end up with the Emperor being flatulent and his gas bottled by custodes to fuel starship, titans, and for use as holy water (when wet).

No. the holy water would be his piss. and theyed probably use the wet farts as promethium for GK flame weapons.

Scarey Nerd wrote:

dajobe wrote:I think that GW should forward the story along a bit, have emperor die and be reincarnated and have a 5-10 year period of imperium getting owned, then release another edition where emperor is grown up and pwns chaos for a while and then another 5-10 years later, release another edition where it hits the fan and the main tyranid force arives, all necron tomb worlds activate, all orks unite in a big waaaaaggghh, and when it looks bad, bring in more human help from outside the galaxy!?! upon reading this, it sounds foolish, but my point is that I think the story should move on a little, i realize that people like the stalemateish state the galaxy is in now, but that can be kept and still push story forward

Lol, that isn't moving the plot on a little, that's accelerating it to light speed and holding on tight. Not that I disaprove, I would love them to actually advance the story, but then the name "Warhammer 40,000" will become a tad obsolete if the next few editions are set in 41,000...

They could rename it. something like Warhammer: Century 420

Hezekial wrote:

Scarey Nerd wrote:

dajobe wrote:I think that GW should forward the story along a bit, have emperor die and be reincarnated and have a 5-10 year period of imperium getting owned, then release another edition where emperor is grown up and pwns chaos for a while and then another 5-10 years later, release another edition where it hits the fan and the main tyranid force arives, all necron tomb worlds activate, all orks unite in a big waaaaaggghh, and when it looks bad, bring in more human help from outside the galaxy!?! upon reading this, it sounds foolish, but my point is that I think the story should move on a little, i realize that people like the stalemateish state the galaxy is in now, but that can be kept and still push story forward

Lol, that isn't moving the plot on a little, that's accelerating it to light speed and holding on tight. Not that I disaprove, I would love them to actually advance the story, but then the name "Warhammer 40,000" will become a tad obsolete if the next few editions are set in 41,000...

They could rename it. something like Warhammer: Century 42

And go back in time 36800 years?

Assuming you meant millenium, yes they could rename it to something like that, but I think it's more likely that they'd just let the storyline stagnate.

Scarey Nerd wrote:

Hezekial wrote:

Scarey Nerd wrote:

dajobe wrote:I think that GW should forward the story along a bit, have emperor die and be reincarnated and have a 5-10 year period of imperium getting owned, then release another edition where emperor is grown up and pwns chaos for a while and then another 5-10 years later, release another edition where it hits the fan and the main tyranid force arives, all necron tomb worlds activate, all orks unite in a big waaaaaggghh, and when it looks bad, bring in more human help from outside the galaxy!?! upon reading this, it sounds foolish, but my point is that I think the story should move on a little, i realize that people like the stalemateish state the galaxy is in now, but that can be kept and still push story forward

Lol, that isn't moving the plot on a little, that's accelerating it to light speed and holding on tight. Not that I disaprove, I would love them to actually advance the story, but then the name "Warhammer 40,000" will become a tad obsolete if the next few editions are set in 41,000...

They could rename it. something like Warhammer: Century 420

And go back in time 36800 years?

Assuming you meant millenium, yes they could rename it to something like that, but I think it's more likely that they'd just let the storyline stagnate.

Ye i guess your right :( but it might be interesting to open up a time rift from the 40k universe and have a spin off game of a different timezone with a completely altered background that extends from the existing story.

Hezekial wrote:Ye i guess your right :( but it might be interesting to open up a time rift from the 40k universe and have a spin off game of a different timezone with a completely altered background that extends from the existing story.

Well, IIRC an Ork has already opened a rift in time so he could go back in time and kill himself so he could have 2 of his custom made weapon. So time travel is theoretically possible...

Scarey Nerd wrote:

Hezekial wrote:Ye i guess your right :( but it might be interesting to open up a time rift from the 40k universe and have a spin off game of a different timezone with a completely altered background that extends from the existing story.

Well, IIRC an Ork has already opened a rift in time so he could go back in time and kill himself so he could have 2 of his custom made weapon. So time travel is theoretically possible...

lol ye I doubt they would ever take that storyline idea in order to make the spin off series, even if it would be awsome and more money for games workshop, as they could make different model types a another new rulebook for the spin off

You guys don't know? Sixth Edition is going to be 'Heresy Edition' so we all have to buy new models and they don't have to worry about updating some of the newer codices. But we will have to buy a $39.95 codex for EACH SM legion. Money in the bank baby!

SickSix's info is not totally complete, GW's new models for Heresy Edition all are Biodegradable and degrade after 10 days, so once you paint them, they dissolve so you can buy some more and repaint!

dajobe wrote:SickSix's info is not totally complete, GW's new models for Heresy Edition all are Biodegradable and degrade after 10 days, so once you paint them, they dissolve so you can buy some more and repaint!

dajobe wrote:SickSix's info is not totally complete, GW's new models for Heresy Edition all are Biodegradable and degrade after 10 days, so once you paint them, they dissolve so you can buy some more and repaint!

SickSix wrote:You guys don't know? Sixth Edition is going to be 'Heresy Edition' so we all have to buy new models and they don't have to worry about updating some of the newer codices. But we will have to buy a $39.95 codex for EACH SM legion. Money in the bank baby!

Hah funny guys but also you missed out that the codexs are being released chapter at a time as a week by week magazine that's only £39.99 per issue. also the paints are water colours and the brushes are only being sold as single brissle brushes.

THE MORE YOU KNOW
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lol, i cant believe i forgot about that, good catch

no problem as long as we are informing the gaming community

I hope that chaos wins, because I like evil.
IoM shouldnt win, because their system is so wrong. But if they win, Chaos survives too.

True winners will be: Necrons, Orks and Tyranids.

Why chaos? Thats boring. They are traitors to humanity. And boring. Only Chaos? boring. Did I already mention that Chaos is boring? You know what is fun: CHEESE FOR EVERYONE!

Srhike wrote:I hope that chaos wins, because I like evil.
IoM shouldnt win, because their system is so wrong. But if they win, Chaos survives too.

True winners will be: Necrons, Orks and Tyranids.

And Chaos system is better?
die and then your soul is mine, forever!!!

Ah...glad to see that Imperium is still owning everyone

Me too. Praised be the big E.

thenoobbomb wrote:Me too. Praised be the big E.

+1

It is also strange that Tau are on the second place....
And nobody loves the Eldar

Perhaps because DE are sexistic torturers? And DE have poisen that makes your blood boil, but when a psyker uses Blood boil at them, they cry..

Even more fun: KHORNE FLAKES

Both should and would win: Necrons.
Should win because life would ESSENTIALLY go on as we know it (in the grimdark future). Necrons will harvest a huge section of the population, then go back to sleep. The cycle will begin again, with each race changing with every cycle. So orks may become smart, because the Necrons wiped out all of them except the wierdboys/painboys/mekboys and they would fear death, because the Nightbringer would come.
Orks are the only race who don't fear death because the Nightbringer ran out of time to go say hello, and then eat their souls.

Sabet wrote:Both should and would win: Necrons ( Reapers ).
Should win because life would ESSENTIALLY go on as we know it (in the grimdark future). Necrons will harvest a huge section of the population, then go back to sleep. The cycle will begin again, with each race changing with every cycle. So orks may become smart, because the Necrons wiped out all of them except the wierdboys/painboys/mekboys and they would fear death, because the Nightbringer would come. ( Reapers again )
Orks are the only race who don't fear death because the Nightbringer ran out of time to go say hello, and then eat their souls.

2 words: COMMANDER SHEPARD!!!

Captain Soap McTavish wins in everyfight he's a kickass soldier, and an awsome sniper/scout.

The Tyranids would wipe (almost) everything out but then the Ork spores would keep growing (correct me if I'm wrong) and then endless ork and endless tyranid

unfortunatly the tyranids would work out that you can burn the spores when an Ork dies unfortunatly on a Nid infected world by the time they get Ooze Pools it's to late to save the world. I recon in that situation nids would win

Goddard wrote:This thread is heretical.

Only the Imperium should emerge victorious.

+1 for Truth

As much as I love my Spess Commehs, I voted for the IoM

LunaHound wrote:Chaos.....

Realistically they dont just taint Space Marine lol, they can taint everything.

All they have to do is stand aside waiting till everyone kill each other and deal the finishing blow.

They cannot taint everything.
You have to have a presence in the Warp or atleast emotions and the Tyranids and Necrons lack both.

EDIT: 'Nids DO have a presence in the warp but not Necrons.

Vires` wrote:

LunaHound wrote:Chaos.....

Realistically they dont just taint Space Marine lol, they can taint everything.

All they have to do is stand aside waiting till everyone kill each other and deal the finishing blow.

They cannot taint everything.
You have to have a presence in the Warp or atleast emotions and the Tyranids and Necrons lack both.

EDIT: 'Nids DO have a presence in the warp but not Necrons.

Indeed. Necrons are deathless and so fear nothing from Nurgle. They cannot shed blood and so fear nothing from Khorne. They are constant and unchanging, so Tzeentch cannot corrupt them. And they feel no pleasure, no triumph, so Slaanesh cannot devour their souls, if they had any.

Could people please stop calling the Tau communist, that is still proposterous.

Our "brilliant" IoM is not doing well it is said in the rulesbook timeline that the throne is irreparebly damaged with the Emperor posibly dying real soon.

Chaos will die/everly decrease in power as the other forces wither away as, The Eldar are prophesized to kill their god, They need to feed upon the weaknesses and emotions of lesser races to keep their strenght, it will go wrong somewhere.

The Orks simply WILL not unite and will be the biggest nuisance/threat in the galaxy, (depends on actual numbers)

Nids are also speculation the fact that every race to date has fought them back doesn't help and all the apocalypsing doesn't help establish a good picture but their victory looks grimy, no one lives the hive fleet dies out and live starts anew is what i guess.

I don't know enough about the Necrons to give a verdict as they will also get a fluff-wash soon.

Eldar are simply dying out and only forstalling the inevitable, at the cost of others, for the Dark Eldar The same thing, only more sadist.

but since it is Should win in stead of will win, i'd go for the Tau, in my point of view there the only ones who will not bring about an apocypse on victory Or be the apocalypse for that matter.

They'll still create a whole lot more war than The Imperium. It at least is involved in defensive actions the vast amount of the time. The Tau on the other hand just want to subjugate everyone, with force if necessary, and some people don't take too kindly to being subjugated, thus they fight back, and thus there is war. Should they? Maybe, for the preservation of life. However, they will essentially crush diversity just as much as The Imperium has.

iproxtaco wrote:They'll still create a whole lot more war than The Imperium. It at least is involved in defensive actions the vast amount of the time. The Tau on the other hand just want to subjugate everyone, with force if necessary, and some people don't take too kindly to being subjugated, thus they fight back, and thus there is war. Should they? Maybe, for the preservation of life. However, they will essentially crush diversity just as much as The Imperium has.

Very true however the Imperium has a reaqction to Xenos that encompasses something like this: oh look Xenos let's not say hi but immediately exterminate!!!
It's very true that the Tau can be somewhat overzaelous, but think the Tau have had centuries of negotiations with the Imperium (who also shot first) and about half the victories of the Tau were claimed because of careful negotiations plus the Tau aren't like, Oh you don't accept Ehtereals now die.(actually only inquisitors and Space marines do that about the Emprah) it's more complicated.

The Tau "shot" first by trying to subjugate Imperial worlds on the edge of space in a vain attempt to slowly take the entire Imperium. The Tau are more like -
"Join us please!"
"No thanks, my race has it's own asspirations and we'd like to pursue them at our leisure."
"Come on, it's great, here have this fancy Pulse Rifle"
"No really, it's fine, now please move on"
"Look buddy you're really starting to p*ss me off. Join us now"
"Hey pal don't start getting angry with us, we don't want to join your "Greater Good", the only people that it's "Good" for are you Tau"
"Oh yeah? If that's the way it's gonna be mate prepare to face our Ion Cannons"
"Well come on them chum, give it your best shot"
"All right we will. Prepare for subjugation, enemy of The Faith"

Heh i guess we won't agree on this so lets stop bugging the thread,
I only wish we could have settled our diffrences at an epic field of battle.

Then I would mobilize the full might of The Imperial War Machine. Wouldn't be a good ending for The Tau. Nah, I jest, who 'should' is subjective.

Juniperius wrote:
Our "brilliant" IoM is not doing well it is said in the rulesbook timeline that the throne is irreparebly damaged with the Emperor posibly dying real soon.

Chaos will die/everly decrease in power as the other forces wither away as, The Eldar are prophesized to kill their god, They need to feed upon the weaknesses and emotions of lesser races to keep their strenght, it will go wrong somewhere.

The Orks simply WILL not unite and will be the biggest nuisance/threat in the galaxy, (depends on actual numbers)

Nids are also speculation the fact that every race to date has fought them back doesn't help and all the apocalypsing doesn't help establish a good picture but their victory looks grimy, no one lives the hive fleet dies out and live starts anew is what i guess.

I don't know enough about the Necrons to give a verdict as they will also get a fluff-wash soon.

Eldar are simply dying out and only forstalling the inevitable, at the cost of others, for the Dark Eldar The same thing, only more sadist.

And none of this will happened because we are stucked in year 41.999... But if advance... Emperor resurects, Primarch returned... and Humanity wins by default.

Juniperius wrote:Heh i guess we won't agree on this so lets stop bugging the thread,
I only wish we could have settled our diffrences at an epic field of battle.

But then the IoM will win instantly! They have the same number of codexes as every other faction combined!

What am I saying... FOR THE EMPEROR!

Brother Coa wrote:

Juniperius wrote:
Our "brilliant" IoM is not doing well it is said in the rulesbook timeline that the throne is irreparebly damaged with the Emperor posibly dying real soon.

Chaos will die/everly decrease in power as the other forces wither away as, The Eldar are prophesized to kill their god, They need to feed upon the weaknesses and emotions of lesser races to keep their strenght, it will go wrong somewhere.

The Orks simply WILL not unite and will be the biggest nuisance/threat in the galaxy, (depends on actual numbers)

Nids are also speculation the fact that every race to date has fought them back doesn't help and all the apocalypsing doesn't help establish a good picture but their victory looks grimy, no one lives the hive fleet dies out and live starts anew is what i guess.

I don't know enough about the Necrons to give a verdict as they will also get a fluff-wash soon.

Eldar are simply dying out and only forstalling the inevitable, at the cost of others, for the Dark Eldar The same thing, only more sadist.

And none of this will happened because we are stucked in year 41.999... But if advance... Emperor resurects, Primarch returned... and Humanity wins by default.

Oh great and yet another blind faithfull servants of the emperor looking to (an indeed powerfull) dead man, his spirit is failing(and canablizing innocent psykers) and his throne damaged and flawed.
You have been listening to Ecclesiarchy lies for too long, the other races offer only more war and death join all in the greater good!!!

Speak not your hateful lies, blue-skinned rat. For The Emperor and The Imperium!

Juniperius wrote:
Oh great and yet another blind faithfull servants of the emperor looking to (an indeed powerfull) dead man, his spirit is failing(and canablizing innocent psykers) and his throne damaged and flawed.
You have been listening to Ecclesiarchy lies for too long, the other races offer only more war and death join all in the greater good!!!

To join group that brainwash it's people in a quest in conquering the galaxy under their rule? And I wont even start with rumors from "Deathwatch"...
Who is now listening to lies for too long?
Here is my answer:



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iproxtaco wrote:Speak not your hateful lies, blue-skinned rat. For The Emperor and The Imperium!

That's right brother, in the Emperor's name!!!

With the full might of the Imperium against me i forfeit.
GEST EXTERMINATED FOR EMPRAH, (Post-hume hatred )


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For the frikin last time TAU DON"t BRAINWASH!!! it's actually called diplomacy dorks!!!


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and is the imperium really any better?

Subjective. I believe it is, as a human and as a player of 40k. Leave now or taste the teeth of my Chainsword Xenos scum, your smell assaults the senses.
And yes, they do. Indoctrination from birth to believe in The Greater Good.

OMG were so alike, Emprah gets indoctrinated too,
btw lets take this postwar to another thread so poeple can continue saying who they like win.
actually lets just agree we have our diffrences and call it a day.

I would happily join in on another Tau bashing thread.

The eldar shouldn't win. They won last time and all it did was make them stupid then dead, so ya the eldar need to stay in time out till they realize how stupid they are.

Can the IoM actually win? I mean what would that look like? They already control most of the map. They kind of already won, this is it. It's just not a very nice prize.

The tau may seem niceish now, but we know all that good will and hand holding will fall out the window when they try to figure out how to run that crazy chair thing.

I vote for orks. Everyone may end up a brutal totalitarian nightmare, but at leas the orks have fun well doing it.



.....Oh ya, everyone else is evil and shouldn't win.

nomotog wrote:
Can the IoM actually win? I mean what would that look like? They already control most of the universe. They kind of already won, this is it. It's just not a very nice prize.

I didn't know that borders of the Imperium stretch across millions of galaxies

Juniperius wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

Juniperius wrote:
Our "brilliant" IoM is not doing well it is said in the rulesbook timeline that the throne is irreparebly damaged with the Emperor posibly dying real soon.

Chaos will die/everly decrease in power as the other forces wither away as, The Eldar are prophesized to kill their god, They need to feed upon the weaknesses and emotions of lesser races to keep their strenght, it will go wrong somewhere.

The Orks simply WILL not unite and will be the biggest nuisance/threat in the galaxy, (depends on actual numbers)

Nids are also speculation the fact that every race to date has fought them back doesn't help and all the apocalypsing doesn't help establish a good picture but their victory looks grimy, no one lives the hive fleet dies out and live starts anew is what i guess.

I don't know enough about the Necrons to give a verdict as they will also get a fluff-wash soon.

Eldar are simply dying out and only forstalling the inevitable, at the cost of others, for the Dark Eldar The same thing, only more sadist.

And none of this will happened because we are stucked in year 41.999... But if advance... Emperor resurects, Primarch returned... and Humanity wins by default.

Oh great and yet another blind faithfull servants of the emperor looking to (an indeed powerfull) dead man, his spirit is failing(and canablizing innocent psykers) and his throne damaged and flawed.
You have been listening to Ecclesiarchy lies for too long, the other races offer only more war and death join all in the greater good!!!

Once again this argument is irrelevant on this thread people Tau do brainwash and they are communists. The entire population has been brainwashed by etherial hormones so they do whatever they say even if it could be for their own protection. They have an equal caste system that you are born into and can't advance from, but they are all equal except for their leaders which are better than everyone. If that's not communism I don't know what is. The IOM I admit are not a good choice now, but If Big E does come back as star child they'd be my choice. As it stands now I chose Eldar for reasons previously stated

"Brainwashing" is not confirmed, and they aren't communists, I suggest you look into both the Tau's background and the definition of the movement before you make another comment. Or you're just a rampant Troll, in which case begone, back under your bridge.

iproxtaco wrote:"Brainwashing" is not confirmed, and they aren't communists, I suggest you look into both the Tau's background and the definition of the movement before you make another comment. Or you're just a rampant Troll, in which case begone, back under your bridge.

Sorry I'm just mad that nobody has read what the thread is actually about, I've tried to get it back on track atleast four times now. Correct me if I'm wrong about what I said, but they do have a caste system that they are born into and almost never are raised out of. Brainwashing may not be true, but I have not seen anything that disproves them as communists.

Well maybe you should actually read their background and the definition of communism. This has been talked about many times, they aren't communists.

iproxtaco wrote:Well maybe you should actually read their background and the definition of communism. This has been talked about many times, they aren't communists.

I have read most of it, and you still haven't told me why I'm wrong. Also not trying to troll here actually want to know what I'm reading wrong.

Well to start with, they operate a Caste system, that's already thrown our form of communism out the window. Secondly, their leadership is an Oligarchical society. Basically, they can't be described by any one term, and communism is not one of them.

iproxtaco wrote:Well to start with, they operate a Caste system, that's already thrown our form of communism out the window. Secondly, their leadership is an Oligarchical society. Basically, they can't be described by any one term, and communism is not one of them.

Second part I agree with but the caste thing can work against you. If you are born a worker in a communistic society you are always a worker, if you are born to be in the Earth caste you are always in the Earth caste. The Tau castes are all on an equal level just have different tasks. The only ones that are above anyone are their leaders, who are also born into their leadership role

iproxtaco wrote:Well to start with, they operate a Caste system, that's already thrown our form of communism out the window. Secondly, their leadership is an Oligarchical society. Basically, they can't be described by any one term, and communism is not one of them.

And I think that he means that Tau ideals of "Grater Good" are based on Marx ideal of "Grater Good", witch Lenin adopted as main plan for his revolution.
In theory they have a lot of similarities, in practice they don't. Simply because Tau are not Humans, and Communism is a Human ideology.

Brother Coa wrote:

nomotog wrote:
Can the IoM actually win? I mean what would that look like? They already control most of the universe. They kind of already won, this is it. It's just not a very nice prize.

I didn't know that borders of the Imperium stretch across millions of galaxies

I am not even certain they span the Milky Way, I think just the arm Terra is on.

Wardragoon wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

nomotog wrote:
Can the IoM actually win? I mean what would that look like? They already control most of the universe. They kind of already won, this is it. It's just not a very nice prize.

I didn't know that borders of the Imperium stretch across millions of galaxies

I am not even certain they span the Milky Way, I think just the arm Terra is on.

naw thats proven otherwise just by looking at the BRB

Clumpski wrote:

Wardragoon wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

nomotog wrote:
Can the IoM actually win? I mean what would that look like? They already control most of the universe. They kind of already won, this is it. It's just not a very nice prize.

I didn't know that borders of the Imperium stretch across millions of galaxies

I am not even certain they span the Milky Way, I think just the arm Terra is on.

naw thats proven otherwise just by looking at the BRB

Aye, the Ultramar system is in the bottom-right, so that puts that theory out of the window

Nicholas wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:Well to start with, they operate a Caste system, that's already thrown our form of communism out the window. Secondly, their leadership is an Oligarchical society. Basically, they can't be described by any one term, and communism is not one of them.

Second part I agree with but the caste thing can work against you. If you are born a worker in a communistic society you are always a worker, if you are born to be in the Earth caste you are always in the Earth caste. The Tau castes are all on an equal level just have different tasks. The only ones that are above anyone are their leaders, who are also born into their leadership role

Try thinking older. I personally see them as something like a monarchy.

You are confusing Communists a little. You can be born a miner and go to school to be a doctor (you get paid the same though so good luck with that).

Here is my list of who should win, in order, the bigger,the better

IMPERIUM>TAU>NECRONS>ORKS>TYRANIDS>CHAOS>CHUNKS OF TURD>ELDAR of any form


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