I'm a big advocate of paper terrain in my wargames. It is cheaper, faster to build and looks good on the table (IMHO). Over the years I have learned how to create paper terrain via Photoshop for my mechwarrior games and I've decided to build some terrain for 40k.

This is my first Beta Build and it needs a few tweaks but otherwise represents the finished product. I need to work on the crenellations on top and get them to fit more closely together.




I normally use a box for internal support but I decided I would try this type of design. It works very well and is quicker than a box build.







Epson Inkjet SX200 printer used on 250 gsm cardstock. Base textures from DOW II: Retribution with extra tweaks by me. Geometry was done by me 100%

The idea behind this is that it is completely modular allowing me to create any kind of Bastion configuration from standard bastion to fortress with walls.





Also as I'm doing this in Photoshop I can make any colour of Bastion that I need from IG Green to Space Wolves Grey.


Next Beta Build will test a multiple Bastion configuration.

very nice paper project.

Great idea! Must say I've never been a fan of this kind of terrain but seeing your bastion thing changed my view. Done like this, it's definitely worth it. Looks fantastic.

This terrain looks great, and I assume it is much cheaper than Plastic stuff.

But, how sturdy are they?
Beign made of paper, I would worry that they might collapse under the weight of modles

RaptorsTallon wrote:But, how sturdy are they?
Beign made of paper, I would worry that they might collapse under the weight of modles

Judging from the first picture, it looks like it can definitely handle a squad or two. Maybe keep the old chaos dred on the table proper but a squad of metal guys should be okay.

Could be worse with upper floors though...

That must have taken ages to do, but that must have been well worth it because it looks awesome!

I've placed all the metal figures I have (including the Demon Prince) on top of this and there is no problems with it supporting the weight. Using the same internal support idea I do not see any problem with the double height walls either. Tomorrow I will print and create a double height bastion.

Where did you get it??

Looks great. Would you care to make a PDF and share?

Very Effective that,
Nice one man.

Cheap and effective!

Great job !!

I was planning a fortress wall out of Bastions similar to what GW did at last year's Games Day until I calculated the cost !!!!! Fortress dreams on a sandbag budget

That's 8 kinds of awesome. Very nice job on the modelling, I'd love to see that big fortress design printed out and built.

Agreed with the above posters. Would love to see a distro of this. My buddies are also suitably impressed!

Would love to see more of your work and maybe a pdf if you don't mind

What software did you use to make it? I fully support a distribution of this, ideally in the original file format so I can make ridiculous fortresses too :3

thats a really nice cheap way to build terrain. I thank you

Thank you all for the kind replies! I've been ill the last week and slightly busy before that so I have not done much on this. I plan on building a larger version to see how it holds up in reality rather than digitally.

I used Google Sketchup 6 to design the 3D model and Photoshop to work with the graphics, then Ultimate Papercraft 3D to unfold the model. I'm having some texture issues right now. As I said I've been using the textures from Dawn of War II: Retribution but I need to figure out how to recreate the base texture for this...



As you can see the big one foot white area needs to be the same but I have yet to figure out how. I may have to just re-texture every thing from scratch. Any ways the next fortress will be a no frills Fortress of Redemption.

I hope to have real pictures soon.

Oh and yes when it is finished I will post the files for everyone to use (along with instructions).

BTW, have you considered gluing the paper printouts onto sheets of thin(ish) plasticard for extra rigidity/support?

Are you considering putting any of these plans out for download. I have a major project that needs 96 bastions and this seems extremely more cost effective.

As stated before I will offer everything in pdf's when it is finished.

I'm printing onto 226 gsm cardstock. With the internal supports that I have added I don't need to attach it to plasticard (which is more expensive)

*Update*

I've been able to texture the tower! Now I need to figure out some added buildings to go with it.

Way to stick it to the man! I look forward to when you put these out for everyone.

Highland_Piper wrote:

*Update*

I've been able to texture the tower! Now I need to figure out some added buildings to go with it.

Congrats, looking forward to seeing it.

If you're looking for ideas on added buildings, my immediate thoughts are a landing pad and maybe an underground bunker entrance.

Impressive use of cardstock.

How sturdy are these
and are they for sale?

If he was to make them for sale he would probably get one big arse lawsuit for good old copyright reasons id bet, even using the coloured images on them seems a bit risky

Papaskittels wrote:How sturdy are these
and are they for sale?

They handle a metal Demon prince without so much as a buckle.

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I don't sell my work even when the textures are home grown. The reason I took the textures from DOW II is I don't have the time to build them from scratch. Which can take a long time.

I will post them up after I have tested them all and I will even go through the trouble of adding instructions.

You sir are a true Dakkanaught.

love a pdf of thi when its ready.i do alot of card modeling as well.

Awesome job on the papercraft!

Yes really great job mate!

Spartan089 wrote: I have a major project that needs 96 bastions

How could one person ever need that many bastions?

Boomer wrote:

Spartan089 wrote: I have a major project that needs 96 bastions

How could one person ever need that many bastions?

Hes probably building a curtain wall. Personally, I think its a start...

chaos0xomega wrote:

Boomer wrote:

Spartan089 wrote: I have a major project that needs 96 bastions

How could one person ever need that many bastions?

Hes probably building a curtain wall. Personally, I think its a start...

Trying to make a city with a bastion walls surrounding it, I believe GW did something like that for their Games Day last year. Can't find a pick though.

so... where are the files at?

Looking forward to printing some of these up. Great work H_P!

Great work there,i think you must be a black belt in origami.

i would like a pdf from it ! its awesome!!! good job

It is amazing what people can do with a little paper. Nice job.

40k Ninja wrote:It is amazing what people can do with a little paper. Nice job.

indeed

Cool work! I'd be scared to put anything heavy on it though. No warjacks on those buildings haha.

he tested it already with a dp

I have been doing a little for this. The fortress is almost finished.

I can't believe how awesome that is. Eagerly awaiting the dist. Thanks so much for sharing your ideas with us!

Highland_Piper wrote:

I have been doing a little for this. The fortress is almost finished.

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Pretty nifty!! Is the piece on the right going to connect with the structure on the left somehow?

Also, where dem files at!?

No, it was just there to see how that bunker would look on its own. I thought they could be used to create choke points.

However the design is created to be modular and I'm sure I will be adding optional parts to the design.

o i want so much a pdf from it

i love it

I don't understand this. Why go to all this effort to make a half size bastion? It's paper, it's not going to last and it looks like paper, with silly thin little walls and white paper edges.

I predict crumpled after 3 uses. Paper craft unique projects are neat, but paper terrain is a waste of time.

Just buy a real one.

Gotta say, like a lot of people i'm not a big fan of paper terrain, but this is pretty effective and buy the looks of the supporting edges on the interior, it should do the job for a while. I can see this being really useful to those who play a lot and in particular want to try something different (like an imperial castle table). Plus the plans would be very handy when making your own plastic terrain, as you could just print the outline on to plasti card. Which does work very well from my own past experience (warhound). I think Augustus may be hating for the sake of hating a little here, or doesn't get the paperhammer concept. Keep up the good work mate, look forward to seeing the finished pdf's and adding it to my collection.

Hits, do you have a guide or recommendations for printing onto plastic? I've often wondered about this myself, but was never quite certain how possible it was or how it would work, etc. What kind/size of plastic to use, etc. etc.

And yes, agreed, Augustus is hating for no real reason.

Ya know this all just looks awesome. If it is able to stand for more than acouple of games then it has served its purpose, and remaking it is still less than going out and buying a bunch of bastions.

Eagerly awaiting a .pdf

chaos0xomega wrote:...And yes, agreed, Augustus is hating for no real reason.

Hits_the_spot wrote:... I think Augustus may be hating for the sake of hating a little here, or doesn't get the paperhammer concept....

Oh? I think I get the papercraft concept better than either of you and the OP put together, if that concept is: inspired by some art, make something original based on it, print it out, show it as fan art!

Which is very different from:

Admire a kit, design a cheap paper copy by stealing source material with the exact same intended use of the original kit as a game piece, not fanart, to avoid the cost of the original. Then distribute the file for other cheap people to use. That's just low standard chicannery, and it doesnt make sense in the economic model either:

Buy a high quality laser printer ($200)
Buy Multicolor Toner Cartridges and high quality paper ($50)
Print a copied tower(s) and assemble it for hours ($?)

To produce a low grade paper copy of a kit that was only $29.75? One would have to make 9 of these just to break even if in the mindset of "I just want a cheap tower set". Even that doesn't make much sense...

Distributing the file to help other people print cheap copies is morally questionable in the least.

Reading through this thread to see a set of replies essentially saying:

"Ya good work, give me the file so I can make cheap copies too"

...is deplorable, especially when the response when called on it is "He doesn't get the papercraft thing". Somebody wants to buy it? wow!

Had you made your OWN tower with your OWN artwork, in a unique shape I would have applauded you and daresay you get the papercraft thing. I'll go ahead and say this, YOU don't get the papercraft thing, try making something original.

Or hey, just scan the rulebook and codices while your at it and post it all here as a PDF, why not?

Dude, sorry if you miss understood my meaning and took offence. Non was meant. But i think viewing pappercraft as fan art is a little naive to be honest.

All i'm saying is that hobby time is not something i think most of us consider as chargeable, and this project along with many others is a nice way for people (most of who i'm sure already own a printer etc) to expand their gaming table and play some more interesting games without spending to much money in the process. Plus its a fun to make.

I would imagine that the vast majority of people more interested in playing have a table comparable to this:



So some nice printouts arn't a bad thing to spice it up a little, plus GW have themselves released printable terrain free on their site many times in the past.

Paper V's Plastic kit is not the point im trying to make, they are not in the same league.

Anyways - sorry to thread jack Piper, but ill answer chaos's Q if thats ok. Printing on plasticard isn't too tricky, you just need to remember that the ink doesn't fully dry, so be carful when handling. Its not wet but will smug and sometimes you get a little bleeding while its drying. Also, clearly using a bubble jet is a better option, not sure what would happen though a laser printer? As for the thickness, you so have too keep it thin, around 0.5mm as i remember, but don't quote me on it. This sounds thin but used wisely, reinforced and detailed you can achieve some very nice results. One last thing, some plasticard (depending on the manufacturer)has a gloss side and a matt side, try to find the matt sided stuff as printing onto the gloss side is not advisable.

Hope thats useful to you all. Looking forward to seeing some more progress.

Augustus wrote:Admire a kit, design a cheap paper copy by stealing source material with the exact same intended use of the original kit as a game piece, not fanart, to avoid the cost of the original. Then distribute the file for other cheap people to use. That's just low standard chicannery, and it doesnt make sense in the economic model either:


***snip***

Had you made your OWN tower with your OWN artwork, in a unique shape I would have applauded you and daresay you get the papercraft thing. I'll go ahead and say this, YOU don't get the papercraft thing, try making something original.

Or hey, just scan the rulebook and codices while your at it and post it all here as a PDF, why not?

Does GW have a paper template that he copied? Looks to me like he's creating his own on photoshop. GW neither owns the rights to a concrete bunker, water stains on cement, nor a double headed eagle since all existed long before GW did. GW has plenty of lawyers fighting for their intellectual properties rights and doesn't need you or any other Junior GW IP Protection League members to defend their maiden honor. Please stop trolling the thread. As for your opinions on the overall crappiness of paper/cardstock terrain, GW would beg to differ with you. The gorkamorka ork fortress and 2nd edition Imperial bunker I have were official GW products and have stood the test of time. I'm sure the OP's will to as long as they're constructed correctly.

Please don't turn this into an IP argument thread. Besides that, don't hate for no reason. Its simple, if you don't like it, don't comment. Nobody asked you for your opinion, and nobody is making you use/view this thread.

I think this looks pretty cool.... It would be nice to have some form of terrian that is not a jar.

warboss wrote:Does GW have a paper template that he copied? Looks to me like he's creating his own on photoshop. GW neither owns the rights to a concrete bunker, water stains on cement, nor a double headed eagle...

It's an obvious copy, your argument about copying a paper template is meaningless and juvenile. It's not original, its made in the pattern of an actual kit, and has patterns lifted out of a game and it's obvious. Clearly you are on the wrong side of it. And actually yes they do have trademark on the double headed eagle.

OP wrote:Base textures from DOW II

From the guys own post. He copied it, he didn't make his own "concrete bunker, water stains on cement, nor a double headed eagle". If he did that would be great, its a chop copy start to finish.

chaos0xomega wrote:Please don't turn this into an IP argument thread. Besides that, don't hate for no reason. It's simple, if you don't like it, don't comment. Nobody asked you for your opinion, and nobody is making you use/view this thread

It's not original and it looks like a cheap copy of a real one, there's the truth.

This isn't an IP argument it's about artistic integrity and craft. You brought up IP, obviously because you know it matters, you wrestle with that.

Truth hurts huh? So dissenting opinions shouldn't post?

"Nobody is making you view this thread, so why don't you leave it?"

See how that sounds?

<enough snarking about IP, and some posts are drawing awfully close to the edge of Rule #1; cool it>

What ever has been said, i just hope it doesn't deter the OP from continuing (and finishing) this project, as i find it quite interesting. As i'm always curious to see what people can do with sketchup, and it kinda reminds me of the paper/card scenery you got in the older 40k sets.

Whats your point? If people want to test out an army before committing to a purchase, I'm all for paperhammer, its way better than straight up proxies.

chaos0xomega wrote:Whats your point? If people want to test out an army before committing to a purchase, I'm all for paperhammer, its way better than straight up proxies.

Just ignore him. He's been warned about the derailing of the thread so I suspect this is his feeble attempt at getting it locked. Not worth it as I do actually want to see what becomes of the OP's work.

chaos0xomega wrote:Whats your point?...

My point is paper copies look terrible and celebrating them only encourages people to make things like this. The images are an example of the mindset applied to miniatures. Continuing the criticism form the beginning, see where this goes?

It's also an example of how audacious it is to go to all the trouble to make all the copies when one could have just done work on the real thing instead.

I like this alot. Looks pretty good and most importantly its useful for gaming on a budget. Sure some people may not approve of this, but those people obviously don't understand the value of saving a dollar or the pride of making something yourself.

I enjoy papercrafting as much as I do plastic modelling. I only wish I could see the OP's pics as they're not hosted on Dakka's gallery. :( Sounds like he's put a lot of work into them, given the appreciation he's received so far.

Augustus wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:Whats your point?...

My point is paper copies look terrible and celebrating them only encourages people to make things like this. The images are an example of the mindset applied to miniatures. Continuing the criticism form the beginning, see where this goes?

It's also an example of how audacious it is to go to all the trouble to make all the copies when one could have just done work on the real thing instead.

Ah slippery slope theory, yes because the end result of allowing my cat to sleep in my bed is shagging and making weird cat-human furry hybrid children.


Paper terrain and paper miniatures are two completely different concepts, being cool with one does not require you to be cool with another. There are plenty of people who use paper terrain, plenty of companies that manufacture it as well. As for your argument of "he didn't create the textures himself" I suggest you look into the video game industry. A lot of the time texture are ripped from other games, especially when it comes to indie games/mods.

chaos0xomega wrote:Paper terrain and paper miniatures are two completely different concepts...

Not when they are shameless copies, in that, they are exactly the same.

Very nice work. It would be cool to see them made from plasticard

Augustus wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:Paper terrain and paper miniatures are two completely different concepts...

Not when they are shameless copies, in that, they are exactly the same.

Really? Because this:

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r194/Highland_Piper/Paper%20Terrain/Fortress-1.png[/img]

Doesn't look like anything that GW currently manufactures to me.

I'm also wholly in support of this project finishing. I love papercraft modeling, and with a little additional work around the edges, the stuff looks great on the table.

I've picked up stuff from Dagobah Dave, Papercraft (iirc), and a couple of other online sources for Mordheim, 40k, Fantasy, and historicals.

Keep going OP!!

I make bastions/fortresses out of 5mm foam board and looks real nice, cardboard/paper tend to get banged up in travel and time wears it out fast.

Please post a PDF soon! I need one (or 7)!!!!!

Augustus wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:Whats your point?...

My point is paper copies look terrible and celebrating them only encourages people to make things like this. The images are an example of the mindset applied to miniatures. Continuing the criticism form the beginning, see where this goes?

It's also an example of how audacious it is to go to all the trouble to make all the copies when one could have just done work on the real thing instead.

You seem like the kind of person who puts your GW figs into a GW case and plays on a GW gaming mat with GW terrain. Afterwards I can only assume you sleep in your GW licensed Ultramarines footie pajamas. Building terrain from cardstock, foamboard, and random garbage is a time honored 40k tradition. Paperhammer and terrain building are two separate subjects. Just because GW has finally after more than 20 years decided to get into the business of building terrain doesn't mean we have to buy it to play 40k. In the past GW provided templates in the BRB to make your own imperial bunkers.

The printouts from DOW2 are well executed but could use refinement, sure scratchbuilding out of plastic and painting would be preferable. But this is acceptable for play.

Augustus if you want to talk about how paper is horrible start a new thread. If you don't like card stock then use foam board or plasticard. The model can easily be cut down to its components and used for plans.

Saying that card stock terrain will get wrecked after a few uses is just a plain ignorant comment. What you are stating is a personal opinion not based on experience. As for suggesting "I am Showing an impudent lack of respect" by creating paper terrain, that is just a rude comment. I prefer paper terrain because that is one aspect of my hobbies. Saying that is just as disrespectful as making hateful comments to those people that prefer metal over plastic or plastic over resin figures.

The 3D design was created by me. It was not lifted from the game. The dimensions are not the same I made them to geometrically fit with the rest of my paper terrain. Just as the fortress is not an exact copy from GW but my interpretation of them. So please stop your angry comments. You have stated your opinion on the matter and have managed to derail my thread.

Here is some pictures of some of the PAPER CARD STOCK terrain I play on, Many of these are over two years old and I'm still using them. (BTW paper terrain is more recyclable than plastic )

Wow, did you create all that? It looks great!

The terrain is from a few different companies like World Works Games, Ebble Miniatures (which now merged with WWG) and some custom terrain I made myself.


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AustonT wrote:The printouts from DOW2 are well executed but could use refinement, sure scratchbuilding out of plastic and painting would be preferable. But this is acceptable for play.

I've been working on updating the textures in Photoshop. Little things like re-embossing the rivets, the Imperial Eagle, bullet holes, grunge effects, etc. The half bastion was just the initial test build.

Nice looking project HP.

I use a number of different types of terrain myself, from cardstock, plasticcard, plaster, etc. All of the terrain I've made still survives to this day, unless I've destroyed it on purpose.

I really like cardstock terrain for using at conventions since it's much lighter and I haven't invested as much money on it as I have say a plaster piece!

I'd much rather have a cardstock wizard's tower, that took me 10 hours to build, get destroyed while at a convention than the same one built with plaster that took me 80 hours plus to build from casting to assembly to painting!

Plus, I'm not lugging around a lot of weight!

I look forward to seeing the completed project HP! Keep up the good work!

I'd like to just say "Haters gonna hate", but Agustus does have a point about reusing textures from DoW, especially if you're releasing it to other people. ... But then again, I'm not a lawyer (despite my avatar). This might have gone over better if you'd taken textures from one of the many stock photo sites out there on the interwebs.

All that said, I am really digging what I'm seeing here! I love making terrain and I've found that papercraft terrain can look really sharp if done well. If nothing else comes of this, you're inspiring me to fire up Google Sketchup so I can design some terrain of my own.

Keep up the good work!

Not everyone can afford the metal and 3d gaming material. Papercraft is a great alternative, nice work HP.

wow! That looks amazing, I suck at papercraft T_T

When my friends and I use paper terrain, we also use cardstock, however, we make it look like a paintball game and print out ads to go on the barricades and little pipe bunkers like at a paintball field. I must hand it to you, though, you make our ad terrain look like crap!

Great work... i prefer to work with cardstock tham plasticard, and used it for a lot of projects. Ppl who argue about papercraft durabilitie never used it. And if you spray some varnish over it after built it will even be like plastic to touch...

(I normally paint my cardstock models, not print them with color, but it is a matter of taste)

Im waiting the pdf

This is great work. I cant wait to get a hold of your pdf's

Keep up the good work and just ignore the haters.

Oh btw I have seen this stuff. I am going to try printing onto it and then sticking it ti plasticard for that extra strength.
http://www.letraset.com/products/124-Safmat/949-Safmat-Film-A4/

What software are you using btw? I know you mentioned Photoshop, but there must be something 3D in there too.. Looks like sketchup. Have you seen this?
http://www.tamasoft.co.jp/pepakura-en/
Again, I havent tried it myself, but it might be worth investigating. I use Maya on a daily basis so I might see what I can come up with...

If you were going to do plasticcard, why not just print it on sticky label sheets and stick the sheets on the plasticcard? or just print it on paper and spray adhesive it onto the plasticcard.

That being said I can attest that card stock terrain can easily be stronger than you'd think.

Looking forward to the PDF, you must be hard at work!

What have I done? I killed the thread!

Great looking paper terrain.

I don't care what the haters say, that stuff ROCKS!!! I used to build a ton of stuff using foamcore. Ever thought about glueing the printouts to some of that stuff, before putting it together?

(on a side not, can anyone tell me where Augustus got his Ultramarine Footy Pajamas? My 8 yr old daughter wants a pair!)

HP i love your work!!!!!!!!!!

Very very nice paper terrain we have here.

Sorry I have no updates. I need to make more beta tests but have run out of supplies. More to come in October.

HP, I have to ask: Where did you get the design for the paper cathedral? I don't recognize it from World Works (Although I envy the heck out of you for your Himmelveil streets/buildings ). I

'd also suggest visiting Onemonk.com if you need free textures to avoid IP issues, as they have several sci-fi ones. Plus, I'd suspect you may be able to get WorldWorksGames' permission to use some of their textures if you're staying nonprofit, since OneMonk has free bases using WWG textures.

Can't wait for the updates!

Sweet! I can now play planetstrike relatively cheaply!

AFAIK since i have no access to polystryrene plasticard. paper or cardstock seems to be an alternative for me. but Does anyone know what do I need to make a durable/waterproof paper or cardstock? which of any construction/woodwork chemicals (glue ,lacquer or anything) do I need and how?

please =^.^=

For waterproofing a MJOLNIR armor halloween costume, I went over each piece or pepakura armor I'd made with outdoor wood sealer. However, it was a drippy mess and I'd bet you could probably get pretty darn good sealing by simply using a couple coats of spray varnish. I suspect that if I'd tried the wood sealer on something smaller and less structurally stable then the armor components, I'd probably have ended up with serious warping.

^ which grades of spray varnish do you use?
modeller grade or woodworks grade?

anyway. your reply worths one LIKE

Nice work! I'm not bad in photoshop, if you want any textures pm me.

I think you could coat in watered down PVA too, cheaper than spraying the lot, and wouldn't dissovle foamcore either

For my spray varnish, I just use the cheapest spraycan in my local hardware store. Not sure at all how waterproof it is, but as far as I could tell from my limited aerial aquatic encounters, the wood varnish works fine. I strongly suspect that for waterproofing something with spray varnish, go over with several coats at least (More so than for normal spraypainting a surface by far).

Watered down PVA would probably work, but I've never used it myself. Only problem is PVA isn't waterproof (iirc), so depending on how much water you plan on encountering, it might pose some issues.

Go into a builders yard or DIY shop, you can buy external grade waterproof PVA for rendering houses and external timber..

Its the dark blue Evo-Stik

I've gotten really side track with some other projects such as starting a new Space Wolves army, designing some other paper terrain such as Modular Hills, Collapsible Modular Hills, Trenches, Dungeon Geomorphs for my GURPS game, school and taking care of my family.

I've been looking at some of the Paper Hammer stuff and decided I could start to add extra bits for people to glue onto the Bastion to give it a more three dimensional build if they wish. As projects go this one has taken me longer to complete than my MechWarrior terrain, but I hope the end result will be worth it.

Awesome idea!! Keep up the good work, do you have any plans to do any fantasy style buildings and if you don't does anyone know of anywhere that you can purchase or download PDF's?

Whoever it was who was knocking the idea a few post back has no imagination, some of the best 40k and fantasy games I've ever had were using cobbled together scenery. Many moons ago I played a space marine versus space marine squad on squad skirmish in my brothers Lego town. We made up climbing rules and scrapped squad cohesion it was hilarious.

"Yes sir I am firing frag missiles from the top of a bright yellow dock crane, do you have a problem with that?"
"No soldier carry on, excuse me whilst I use this tiny bright blue formula one car for cover"

How is this thread still up?

OP wrote:...allowing me to create any kind of Bastion...

...It is cheaper...

textures from DOW II: Retribution

Just as the fortress is not an exact copy from GW but my interpretation of them. So please stop your angry comments. You have stated your opinion on the matter and have managed to derail my thread.

There is no angry here. The graphics are a direct lift per your own comments, and obviously this is a bastion from your own language 'bastion'.


Lifting the DOW2 graphics is expressly against the DOWII copyright, use of the imperial eagle is copyright, duplicating the bastion is against GW copyright. You are breaking multiple copyright and published forum rules as well.

To avoid cost.

OP wrote:...It is cheaper...

http://www.dakkadakka.com/core/forum_rules.jsp

Forum_Rules wrote:Copyrighted or non-gaming related images may be deleted from articles. If you are ever unsure about what images are appropriate, please contact a moderator or administrator ahead of time.

http://www.dawnofwar2.com/us/home

DOWII_Copyright wrote:Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War II - Retribution - Copyright © Games Workshop Limited 2011. Dawn of War, Retribution, the Dawn of War II logo, GW, Games Workshop, the Games Workshop logo, Space Marine, 40K, Warhammer, Warhammer 40,000 Device, the Double-headed Eagle device and all associated marks, logos, places, names, creatures, races and race insignia/devices/logos/symbols, vehicles, locations, weapons, units and unit insignia, characters, products, illustrations and images from the Dawn of War II - Retribution game and the Warhammer 40,000 universe are either ®, ™ and/or © Games Workshop Ltd 2000-2011, variably registered in the UK and other countries around the world, and used under license.

OP, use your skills to make something original. This is potentially distributing copyright material.

killykavekommando wrote:Please post a PDF soon! I need one (or 7)!!!!!

Wants to make 7...

StubbyGB wrote:This is great work. I cant wait to get a hold of your pdf's

Wants to get a hold of them...
It's like watching people plan a crime.

Whoever it was who was knocking the idea a few post back has no imagination...

Perhaps enough imagination to,... make something original?

It's fan made material that he's making available for free.

Please take the IP-quisition elsewhere.

second that howard!

Augustus wrote:

Admire a kit, design a cheap copy by stealing source material with the exact same intended use of the original kit as a game piece

You just described half the companies that advertise here on Dakka...

Wow. Augustus, please tell us what you hope to gain from posting in this thread?

On topic: This is super awesome. I'm subbing in the hope that you can make this available!

In the U.S., at least. It is only an infringement of copyright if the duplicator sells the duplicate.

I don't know if it's the same in troll-land where Augustus lives.

Sentinel wrote:Wow. Augustus, please tell us what you hope to gain from posting in this thread?

I'm trying to draw a distinction regarding artistic virtue and creativity, between making something unique and making a copy.

I'm a big fan too, I love making terrain and things inspired by 40k, and I respect people who have the skill and discipline to make terrain, it's hard.

But don't make a copy of something because it's to expensive, make your own thing.

Here's an example of some things I made inspired by Eldar architecture, and illustrations from my favorite sculptor Jes Goodwin, from my Gallery. I am not claiming that they are "better" than anyone else work, just that they are original example, and not copies I made of something GW sells.

Hey, Augustus, check out page two where you were already warned not to derail the thread with your IP snarking.

Janthkin wrote:<enough snarking about IP, and some posts are drawing awfully close to the edge of Rule #1; cool it>

Absolutely fantastic job! If I had the patience/skill together, I would do something similar. Consider me subscribed. Don't let anyone in preticular keep you from creating great terrain (or chaos wins).

The only really disappointing part about this thread is that poor eldar vehicle is fairly deformed. It never had a chance...

I'd like to know how complex people would like this to be. Do you want Print and Play, or like the Paper Hammer vehicles where you need to add a few bits and bobs. To make some people quite I'm remaking the texture and I'm offering them in a White build as well. Also my build offers many unique pieces that the GW model does not offer such as walls, bunkers and the ability to connect it with the fortress. I've also been working on Gates, Motor Pool (you have to park the Rhino somewhere) and something slightly different for the landing pad.

As for my version of the Fortress I'm getting rid of all that artsy fartsy stuff on it. I've never liked that.

@darkPrince010 - The Cathedral was never offered by WWG it is my design. I used the textures from Shellendrake and placed them on mat board.

I think it is pretty cool and a good solution for those of us that can't quite afford to pay for set pieces. I'm not saying it is the best way to have set pieces, but it is a good cheap alternative. Besides, if you are new player and just got your first models and want to use terrain, what better way to start out practicing at home than to have easy quick to make set pieces.

It is a good starting point.

Occasionally, the Man I'd like to be, and the Man I am, actually meet, and those are my greatest moments. -DG

Waste no more time arguing about what a good man should be. Be one. -Marcus Aurelius

That's in your signature Augustus. Time to live up to these. Move on.

As in any part of this hobby it is "to each his own". People don't like other peoples paint job or how they play, etc.... That's fine. But don't put someone else down because they don't agree with you or what you think is the right way to do something.

I also have a preference for the GW and other molded plastic kits. That is not to say that I will harp down on others who don't, can't afford them or for whatever reason don't use them.


*Back to the thread*
The buildings do look good and they sound like they are very usable. If they they can support the weight of a metal DP that should be good for almost anything.

Highland_Piper wrote:I'd like to know how complex people would like this to be. Do you want Print and Play, or like the Paper Hammer vehicles where you need to add a few bits and bobs. To make some people quite I'm remaking the texture and I'm offering them in a White build as well. Also my build offers many unique pieces that the GW model does not offer such as walls, bunkers and the ability to connect it with the fortress.

What do you mean by adding a few bits? The only papercraft stuff I've assembled in the past is the old necromunda terrain and gorkamorka ork fortress so I'm not too familiar with the paper hammer vehicle techniques. If you stay within the difficulty range of that line of products, I'd say that the vast majority of people wouldn't be intimidated.

By extra bits I mean that you would have to cut several layers of card and glue them together giving the model a three dimensional look. So the support beam with the rivets would be cut out separately and then glued onto the model. Rivets can be added by using super glue or pin heads. Any Imperial Eagles would be cut out by hand and then placed on the Bastion. Take a look at the Paper Hammer Blog

I don't make these because I can't afford to purchase multiple GW Bastions, I make these because I like to build my terrain from scratch. I own a Plastic Bastion kit. It was assembled in twenty minutes then I placed it on my shelf. But when I make terrain from scratch I feel more connected with it, like I do with my models for spending so much time collecting, assembling and painting them. This is a hobby and I ENJOY building my terrain from scratch instead of doing it the easy way (this is my opinion and nothing against those who don't have the time or inclination to do it any other way) and just purchasing it and slapping it together. I plan on making a bunch of Paper Hammer Rhino's. I don't plan on using them in game but to use them as TERRAIN. I'm certainly not going to purchase a Rhino that I could use in my army and trash it for terrain so I will scratch build it.

That being said I've been looking at other pictures of kitbashed Bastions and I may add some ideas such as a Vindicator Cannon to the side (optional of course), and I'm thinking of some plug and play ideas so you can easily remove the turrets and swap them about.

Highland_Piper wrote:By extra bits I mean that you would have to cut several layers of card and glue them together giving the model a three dimensional look. So the support beam with the rivets would be cut out separately and then glued onto the model. Rivets can be added by using super glue or pin heads. Any Imperial Eagles would be cut out by hand and then placed on the Bastion. Take a look at the Paper Hammer Blog

I would say that some key single piece details like a large aquila would be good to have as a separate piece but not to go too far with it (like with extra pads on tracks to give them a 3d look as shown on the link you provided) for those of us with less papercraft skill. Details like layered tracks and rivets "painted" onto your texture would make it a heck of alot easier to assemble. If people want to add on a more 3d flair, they can always add the extra layers on top of the image that has the 2d skin of the rivet/details.

Maybe make both? Paint the details onto the texture in a slightly smaller scale and then make a slightly larger separate detail layer. If people want the minimum, they can just assemble the larger pieces and still have the details in the texture itself. If they do want the added layered 3d detail, they can use the texture detail image as a guide for where to place the actual larger (so it covers it completely) piece. I don't know how much extra work the above entails but it sounds like it might be the best of both worlds if its feasible for your project timewise.

Being a voice of dissenting opinion doesn't make one a troll. This kind of thing does.

killykavekommando wrote:I don't know if it's the same in troll-land where Augustus lives.

I'm tired of reading posts that say 'you've been warned', I'm keeping it civil.

warboss wrote:Hey, Augustus, check out page two where you were already warned not to derail the thread with your IP snarking.

Did you see the forum rules about posting copyright? What do you think about that? Do you have something to say about how copies are good things or what you think of these examples, because it looks like your post was just to tell me not to post anymore.

Gundor wrote:People don't like other peoples paint job or how they play, etc.... That's fine. But don't put someone else down because they don't agree with you or what you think is the right way to do something.

I also have a preference for the GW and other molded plastic kits. That is not to say that I will harp down on others who don't, can't afford them or for whatever reason don't use them.

If a person can't afford it, that doesn't make it magically OK to steal a copy.

An important reason not to support distribution of copies is because it can get sites in trouble. I have been on Dakka for almost 10 years and I really like it. I want it to keep going. If you do too, you shouldn't support, congratulate or make requests for copies like these. That's why papercraft copies are a terrible idea, whether they look cool or not.

Also if you can't understand the difference between making something original and just copying something, I don't know if I can help you. But to try anyway, I checked out the papercraft link that Highland_Piper put up, look at this:

publicjoe_on_blogspot wrote:The models are not as good as the real things, but you can make some pretty good proxies with them which are perfectly acceptable for friendly games.

This is another case of an exact copy, it's not original, it's not good. If it were a custom turret, or a variant, or something for a model they don't make or something completely original it would be great, but it's just a copy. It's not "pretty good proxies with them which are perfectly acceptable" it's a cheap, primitive copy. Just like these bastions here are.

Look back at that post. There aren't any personal attacks in it.

Also, this:

killykavekommando wrote:In the U.S., at least. It is only an infringement of copyright if the duplicator sells the duplicate.

Is not correct, it depends on a lot of factors, as Janthkin well knows, copyright is different than patent, and what I can say is it involves possible damage to lost sales, purpose, and percent to which something was copied and it's on an individual case by case basis. I read it. It's not just if it gets sold. Giving away free copies could be just as bad, even worse, because it potentially affects a much wider base, than making just one. I didn't really want to talk about that sort of thing. I want to talk about the virtues of making something original, but I had to reply to killykavekommando giving really terrible advice.

End point, make something unique!

Are you trying to get this thread locked or something? Or trying to deter a creative mind from helping the gaming community? Please, the majority of Dakka is supporting and anxiously awaiting what Highland_Piper is working on.

The mods have not locked this thread, that is now five pages long, because it is not a bad thread. It does not break the dakka rules. Piper has not been warned by the mods to discontinue logging this project on Dakka. Actually, wait, YOU have been warned by the mods. Interesting. Get off your pedestal and stop putting other hobbyists down for their effort.

And to think that the distribution of a paper bastion is going to affect GW? The people that are going to use this are people who would not have bought bastions anyway. The bastion kit is vastly superior to anything paper can do, so the people who buy bastions because they are good quality will keep on buying bastions.

Highland_Piper, please don't let him deter you. Remember the whole slew of members who have posted in this thread who support your effort wholeheartedly.

If you think a thread breaks rules or is inappropriate, report it.

It is still illegal. It is a fun project up until he redistributes the PDF and others then copy it. The reason it is illegal is he ripped 3d mods and textures from a copyrighted source. He didn't make it from scratch based upon his own ideas by eyeballing a physical object.

If the thread was simply about him showing off what he has made for himself, game on.

If the thread is a way to distribute his PDFs with questionable legal standing, then it breaks dakkas rules.

Rationalizing infringement is still infringement. All Augustus has suggested is for Highland_piper to design an original papercraft design and then distribute it. He could make bastions which serve the purpose that are not recreation of GW designs and trademarks. Make the 'Highland_piper Bastion/bunker' system and release that and everyone wins. (sounds like all he needs to do is use original textures)

Having trouble reading for content, nkelsch? Page 4 Highland_Piper has stated that he is remaking the texture and going to use offer in a white as well.

Of course that also brings up the point that, to my knowledge, nothing to date has been offered. No PDF link to plans. Right now this is still his personal terrain.

But hey, haters gotta hate.

Howard A Treesong wrote:If you think a thread breaks rules or is inappropriate, report it.

Theres already a mod here, I'm sure they will take whatever actions are needed.

Sentinel wrote:Are you trying to get this thread locked or something? Or trying to deter a creative mind from helping the gaming community? Please, the majority of Dakka is supporting and anxiously awaiting what Highland_Piper is working on.

No, I would like to disuade the OP from sharing the PDFs sure, but I want to talk about creating something unique. I also think a dissenting opinion is fair to share.

Also I would consider it quite a victory if I could get some of the other posters to see the perspective on copies, including the OP, and yourself. To that end...

I found myself in a similar situation recently, actually very much so, that I think is really prudent, allow me to show some more examples.

I really liked these infinity buildings a lot, Micro Art offers them:



One of the things I really liked about them was that they had a double layer, and could be used stacked, or separate and that would grant inside access to the 2nd layer.



Something that would be really ideal for that game! Microarts offers these for 29.52 Euro. About $50 a piece.

http://www.shop.microartstudio.com/district5-apartment-p-578.html

There were things I liked, and some I didn't, and 30 EURO is a lot. I could buy them, but I think I had the skill to do better. I wanted my buildings to have clear windows for example, and more than 1 stack able level. But I was inspired by the finish, look, and functionality of the pieces. So I decided to make my own set of terrain, incorporating some of the ideas of these pieces, like the stack able levels, the approximate size, some of the coloring and the use of hexagonal shapes.

I made my own infinity city from boxes I got from the container store that stack, I also made some from scratch, and I did paint jobs to match.





I even started a thread to share, and then after requests, how to do it with Dakka.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/412666.page

But I didn't take the graphics from the original piece I took my inspiration from and make a copy of it.

Maybe you like these, maybe you don't, maybe the casual observer wont care about Infinity at all, maybe the imperial bastions are cooler maybe not. None of that matters, the point is these are unique pieces, made from inspiration of an original and not copies.

nkelsch wrote:It is still illegal. It is a fun project up until he redistributes the PDF and others then copy it. The reason it is illegal is he ripped 3d mods and textures from a copyrighted source. He didn't make it from scratch based upon his own ideas by eyeballing a physical object.

If the thread was simply about him showing off what he has made for himself, game on.

If the thread is a way to distribute his PDFs with questionable legal standing, then it breaks dakkas rules.

It's not nearly that simple. Suffice it to say, in this case, that the moderators have reviewed this thread, and let it stand. Given that, the rest of you can move on to discussing the merits of the work, and extensions on the idea, or even (constructively) critiquing the execution.

<further discussion of copyright and/or Dakka rules, however, will be treated as off-topic, and (at least) summarily deleted; hopefully that is sufficiently clear>

@Highland_Piper : I'm definately enjoying your work. What I'm seeing here is an example of well thought out and executed cardstock building and I look forward to seeing much more of it and (should such a time ever come) would appreciate any template you care to release albeit detailed or simply plain black & white plans.

Being on a limited budget myself, I greatly appreciate the merits of card construction. Personally, I use card buildings as a temporary measure until I can afford the appropriate kit for items such as bastions, bunkers and ruined buildings. Once I am able to purchase said kit, the card building is retired from use. That said, I only use card for structures, not vehicles or playable proxies in armies.

On a closing note, I'd like to thank Janthkin. Your moderation of this thread thus far has been spot-on. You have shown your presence, stated clearly that this thread is under an appropriate level of monitoring and issued warnings, directives and advice where needed without resorting to an "Iron Fist" in the interests of a quiet life.

Very well played, sir. An example of moderation as it should be and a definite credit to the Mod Team

Now that the legal crap is settled, get on with making those bastions!

nkelsch wrote:It is still illegal. It is a fun project up until he redistributes the PDF and others then copy it. The reason it is illegal is he ripped 3d mods and textures from a copyrighted source. He didn't make it from scratch based upon his own ideas by eyeballing a physical object.

I'm going to clarify this (and I've not taken offence to your comment)

The 3D design was done from scratch. It is not an exact replica from either GW or DOWII. I built it from the ground up to fit within the parameters of my existing Card Stock terrain from World Works Games and my custom terrain. I do not have the knowledge of how to extract the DOWII 3D models nor do I want to. I like building scratch built terrain from the ground up. I've managed to base my design off of the GW Bastion/Fortress and then enhance it by adding a wall system, gates, 45 degree walls, and making the two buildings compatible allowing me to mesh the two together.

I am going to remake the textures. I used the texture from the game as it was faster and I did not have the time to devote to making the textures. Time is why it has not been finished. But I have enough skill in Photoshop and Illustrator to do a descent job of it.


As you can see they are not an exact match.

As for insinuations that I can't do original work here is some.




I like using card and mat board. It is cheap and recyclable. For those of you that want to use plasticard here is a suggestion. Print plans on full sheet label paper and stick it to plasticard.

Here are two reasons why I love using card



(I wish I never sold mine!)

It used to be expected to make your terrain from scratch even if you copied a GW design. I remember White Dwarfs that showed you how to do it.

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Back to the Bastion.

I've added some tabs and I'm making an Imperial Eagle that you can cut out and place over the entire side of the Bastion. I will post pictures of it soon. I've started the White Build with line drawings of the detail on it for helping with placement of 3D design. From there I will start to build up the textures. I'm expecting about 15+ layers of textures at 12 pages (for now) and it should take me quite some time to have the new textured version done.

Great job. I've dabbled in creating papercraft templates just enough to appreciate the skill it takes to do it well, and you are very good at it.

I for one - am enjoying the skills that Highland_Piper has shared with us.

I also 100% agree with Augustus.

That Eldar warp-way is something else! Awesome work mate!

Bash

THERE IS A GOD

Thank you if you give us the PDF for the bastions and others, I only get £5 a week so this is like Christmas on the Chuck Norris degree

Also I would love an eldar PDF webway (I like the idea of my CSM forces battling it out in a eldar world).

The terrain is fantastic.

You kind sir are the God of 40k terrain I put my hat out to you (and Dont let the haters get to you, your work is too awesome for them).

Keep up the good stuff.

This is the best terrain idea since 'themed'

my Request is a Tomb Entrance for Necrons
please

Ok now that webway portal looks nice and I mean real NICE!

I don't know what the OP has in mind, but I don't think that this thread is for commissioning.

I love the bunker that you made, it looks truly epic.

If you like the bunkers you should REALLY try PaperMakeIt's Pillboxes and Corridors 1.1

Amazing work your knocking together. Stuff like this is for many years the bread and butter of hobby gaming. Before GW got it's massive 'pop culture' push or went uber commercial this is what it was always about. Heck back in the day and im talking way way waaay back, White Dwarf used to do loads of templates for things such as bunkers, and bits of terrain. They even did a template for a Baneblade. We are talking nearly 20yrs but that was the whole point behind the hobby. They give you the skeleton and you supply the meat for its bones.

I suppose some people would have the figures pre-painted and the game already won for you if they had their way. Great thread and keep doing you. Im sure one of the helpful MODS would step in and politely let you know if you over stepped the mark. Ignore the haters and keep inspiring others to make something. Even if i dont you the PDF's it's given me more ideas etc on how to tackle my own projects.

My computer is dying so it is putting a slight halt on this project. My netbook can't handle Adobe Illustrator or Photoshop so I can't continue it on my back up machine.

I started the white copy for printing and using foam and mat board and possibly plasticard (which I'm trying to source locally). The thought is to to use mat board for the main structure with foam board supports as not everyone can get perfect 45 and 90 degree cuts.

Nice work.

Here is a merging of the Fortress of Redemption and the Bastion into a forward assault bunker.





Is it Imperial enough? It's not modular like the Bastion but you could easily place a 10 man squad inside and a 10 man squad on the top.

I like it. I always disliked the lack of fire points in the stock bastion design.

Nice work

+1
I agree with happygolucky

I've come up with a brilliant idea! I'm going to purchase a Mitre Saw and a bunch of Rare Earth Magnets. I will build the Bastion out of 5mm PVC Board and Plasticard and place the magnets in the sides of the walls making it completely modular and with the ability to break it down!

The only problem I'm currently having is the tower to the Fortress is 8 " tall and the tallest cut I can find with a mitre saw is 120 mm (4.72 inches) on a 45 degree angle or 190 mm (7.48 inches) for a 90 degree cut.

Good luck. I, along with all those who remain here, are watching with bated breath to see where you take this project next!

The Emperor of Mankind would approve

your work is fantastic, your board is better than many fully built boards i've seen, i for one WILL be downloading this and when i do i will be carrying a powersword just in case i see a troll sneaking up on me *cough cough* but i do give you the medal of honor because out of every hundreds of fantastic threads, there always has to be that ONE guy on one of the treads to be like that.. and im glad you are still posting despite the hatred going on from someone..


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any do you mind sharing links of where you got those paper terrain, because my black crusade group would apretiate it

10 days and I should have my new computer. I want to finish this project.

I think what I love best about the look of many of these pieces is that almost "cell-shaded" effect they have...its like the graphics from a video game, Borderlands springs to mind...I'll be needing to build a section of the Underhive (Necromunda) at some stage, this approach would be an awesome way to do that quickly, cheaply, with easy storage and with a great end result...kudos to you dude...I'm subbed...Highland could I also request a list of links you'd recommend for people interested in this type of terrain or point us in the right direction?

Cheers
R

This is as far as I can get on my netbook. Now for the long wait for my new computer to arrive. Until then I will be playing Space Marine on Xbox 360

WOW... that looks complex...

Good job on the cardstock scenery. I'm a big fan of the stuff- nearly 100% of my fantasy scenery (besides ruins which are based off the old GW foam-core ruins templates) are made from a collection of Fat Dragon Games, WorldWorks Games, and Dave's Games buildings. The only stuff I have and use that's plastic are my Mage Knight Castle pieces. And some of my terrain is nearly ten years old, and going fine.

Ignore people who evidently have a need for a mission against you. I love your version of the Fortress of Redemption. It's nicely neutral, without all the "mad skullz' and the DA specific statuary- all the things keeping me from ever buying the GW version, rather than the price. I would absolutely love to build my own copy.

Amazing stuff!!! Subbed - you sir, are the kind of person that makes dakka great

Great to see that this thread/project is still going strong. I'm really enjoying the work your doing here, so keep it up!

That is awesome, you could probably sell these printouts if you were to *genericize* them a bit.

I prefer to give them away!

I received my computer the other day and now I'm in the long process of reinstalling my software and uploading my backed up files.

May I place an advance order for a Fortress of Redemption?

IHateNids wrote:May I place an advance order for a Fortress of Redemption?

Hes giving them away FOR FREE happy days man, happy days.

I meant I wanted dibs

everyone will have dibs!

Cool stuff. I agree with Augustus, never-the-less I encourage people that enjoy cardstock buildings to build and use them. I miss the old GW cardstock buildings. They had a certain sense of playfulness that is missing in today's game. Maybe it had to do with the color schemes they used. Either way they were neat..and I still have most of them.

I've got the interior Supports figured out. They are made out of 1mm Mat Board

cool. Note- will it hold a Daemon Prince? my mate isn't on here, but I showed him the thread and he asked me to ask you

It should with no problems. To prove it I will put my mates Daemon Prince (metal) on the model.

A photo of that to show him will seal that deal for him I think, Piper

Status Update: I've made a basic set of plans in a layered pdf. This means you turn on and off layers to print what parts you want. This should allow you to save some paper by turning on and off different height walls, weapons, and other details.

I will start building the white build this week, then I will tweak the plans accordingly.

I'm currently trying to make a bastion as well. Mine is currently being done in different way. - Just a little quicker but probably not as nice.

I'm using 1mm fomex. I've used one continual sheet (which has been scored+bent) for the 4 main walls and another single strip which again has been scored and bent to make the bottom angled 'base' bit.

I'm planning on using some proper 5mm foamcore for the floor at the top so it's a little more sturdy and can hold the weight of any models that get put on it.

Just not sure whether 1mm thick 'wall sections' will look very thick :(

I may post some pics later but don't want to hi-jack your thread...:(

It always amazes me how much this community thinks that cardstock is going to crumple if you look at it. Seriously, if it is engineered properly it wont be an issue.

Highland_Piper wrote:It always amazes me how much this community thinks that cardstock is going to crumple if you look at it. Seriously, if it is engineered properly it wont be an issue.

IGNORE THE DOOMSAYERS. your stuff is truly inspirational. as you've said yourself back in the old days gw would promote this kind of stuff. i've still got a paper baneblade around all bits cut just never got around to finishing. carry on the fine work.

Really nice, and it looks strong enough to accomodate a lot of figures on top.

I'm used to making cardstock terrain and usually don't have to worry too much about the thickness of the material. Well this version here is made from Cardstock (224 gsm), 1mm & 2mm mat board. I still have a strictly cardstock version that will be released with a white version for the thicker material. I'm having a friend make textures for it when he has spare time. So there had been a lot of trial and error with this project but it is close to being completed.

That is looking so cool! Love it and love that it supports some legit weight.

Whoah. Very cost effective and it looks good too.

Awsome!, i like it better than the GW bastions already!

Moltar wrote:That is looking so cool! Love it and love that it supports some legit weight.

I put that there to press the top down while it dried. Honestly I could put three times that weight on it.

Pretty fine job with the paper models

I got a bit more done today. All the lower gun ports are now on. The only thing left are the Crenelations and the turrets. I will post pictures soon.

That last one is sweet. what is it made out if I think i need to grab some.

I know this has been an on again, off again project but it's on again. I'm hoping to finish this within a week. I'd like everyone to bare in mind that the first build is the beta and I've already made some changes in the design based on how different pieces came together (or didn't as the case may be).

I'm pretty excited for the 6th edition rules and the option to purchase a single fortress in your army list.

Things left to do

1) Upper Crenelations
2) Lower Crenelations
3) Seven Heavy Bolters
4) Upper Door
5) Lower Door
6) Greeble Reinforced Bars
7) Six Turret/Sponsons
8) Rivets. Oh Gawd so many rivets
9) Greenstuff
10) Texture
11) Prime (must pick up more primer)
12)Paint

One thing I'd like to ask is how to texture it. Any suggestions out there?

By texture do you mean digitally or phsyically?

Sorry I should have said.

Physically. I was thinking fine sand or maybe just dirt sieved from outside and paint it on with PVA Glue.

Highland_Piper wrote:Sorry I should have said.

Physically. I was thinking fine sand or maybe just dirt sieved from outside and paint it on with PVA Glue.

Textured spray paint exists; most hardware stores carry it.

In my experience the default color of those sprays is crap, so I'd advise spraying it before doing your primer/basecoat to conceal the faux-stone coloring and to let any drybrushing you do show up far better.

for texture i'd go for a watered down plaster or something, and hope it wont warp the cardstock...

i just noticed this thread as i only just started to look for terrain options... i have to say, its looking very good!

i also noticed that certain trolls have given up and went back to live under their bridges... so thats a battle won i guess.

i actually think the cardstock in this case is more durable then plasticard would be, so when your dont with your test case and made a template for us lesser creatures im gonna pick up some cardstock and build me a fortress

I've tried some Textured Spray paint and I found one that gave the perfect texture. Very fine grained. However after spraying only one building the can clogged and everything I tried wouldn't work. I will get one more can and try again.

The plans will be in a layered pdf so there is only one page and multiple layers. You can still make it from card stock or you can use mat board or plasticard. Some layers that use mat board will say 1mm or 2mm on it to indicate its not the one for card stock.

if its in the spray "cap" (?) ... the nozzle thingy... you know
if you put that in alcohol it might dissolve whatever is clogging it.

looking forward to that PDF... also shared this page on facebook i bet some people are very interested in this thread

Some updates. All the turrets/sponsons are in.





I've made some errors in cutting but I will correct that on my next bastion. This is just the first prototype . Such as the Greeble on the crenelations have been fixed so the big gaps you see on the one I have placed on will (should) not be there on the others.

I like the eagle overhand, with a door right there, its going to look sweet!

that is ffing amazing! love the eagle and extra gun ports

Keep up!!! Very nice and clean job!!

I got quite a bit of work done on this today. Next step is making the weapons. they will be slightly oversized as making them very small will be difficult.

I like the space marine game in the background. I've recently started replaying that after taking off a bunch of months. It's a bit clunky but still alot of fun!

that is really amazing. I hope you do a whole section of pdf's for this. and other buildings.

a Tau or eldar bastion PDF? that would kick serious ass.

yeah its looking really fine!
cant wait to start building myself...

Textured and primed, now to add the blasted rivets, and rivets, and rivets...

Those look awesome. I would definately be interested in seeing some PDFs of those.

this looks so much cooler than normal bastions!

Great work, can't wait for you to paint it,and of course to share it, haha.. Well done!

Share it I will. I've started to organise it a bit better and add some type of instructions. Don't expect professional quality but you all should be able to follow it well enough.

Looks excellent so far, kind sir. Keep up the good work. So far, my favorite part is the plain Fortress of Redemption style tower with the heavy bolters on it.

Aren't copyright debates great?

I posted on this thread a while ago when the flaming and copyright infringement crap was going on, I'm glad to see those problems resolved.

Love your work! Highly anticipating the PDF! And on the subject of card, I have never used plasticard on buildings/scratchbuilt vehicles. Cereal board all the way!

Highland_Piper wrote:Share it I will. I've started to organise it a bit better and add some type of instructions. Don't expect professional quality but you all should be able to follow it well enough.

sounds good! cant wait to give it a try!

I've added instructions for the basic Sci-Fi Bastion.

I will add the plans soon. I just need to add a few new pieces such as the new Corner piece and the wall spacers to go with them. With this you could make a Cruciform Shaped Bastion with a large tower in the center!

If there is something you want to do with the bastion now is the time to ask! I should have most of the configurations, but I just came up with the corner piece this morning so I'm sure there is something else that could be added.

Sweetness!

I can't wait to get home and try it out.

Ok, now my friend you owned my total and unconditional respect. It can be not so much, but it is the greateast thing i can give to someone...

You got it...

great! ive been hoarding on cardstock so i can start building this when you posted it

That looks great!
Not really for me though.
I'd prefer to use plasticard mostly because I find paper too flimsy...
That probably says more about me to be honest.

purplefood wrote:That looks great!
Not really for me though.
I'd prefer to use plasticard mostly because I find paper too flimsy...
That probably says more about me to be honest.

did you miss the picture where he put a weight on it?
and it can be build from plasticard just as easly as cardboard

purplefood wrote:That looks great!
Not really for me though.
I'd prefer to use plasticard mostly because I find paper too flimsy...
That probably says more about me to be honest.

If your interested in the project you should go back and look at some of the pictures. The project started out with cardstock and has now moved on to using 1mm and 2mm mat board. You can substitute the mat board for plasticard but mat board is much more rigid and cheaper than plasticard. However if Plasticard is your preferred method then by all means use it.

The plans can be used with either Cardstock, Mat Board, or Plasticard. You can mix and match if you want as well. Some pieces have multiple copies but for different thickness, like the Crenellations come in two sizes. Cardstock/Platicard for 0.25-0.5mm and for 1mm Mat board/Plasticard. You can even make the main walls out of 5mm foam board as long as you cut the edges at 45 degree angles.


Any ways, I've assembled and glued on all the bolters so the only thing left to do in a billion rivets.

Huzzah! PDFs! I shall now build a board-sized castle!

burgerking ork wrote:Huzzah! PDFs! I shall now build a board-sized castle!

that pdf isnt the template yet, just the build manual/instruction

Cant wait for the PDF templates. Already gone over the build instructions and this just looks awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lion

Instructions


Plans

or http://www.dungeoncrawlers.com/files?dl_cat=19

Here is the first run of my Sci-Fi bastion plans along with some really basic instructions. Please let me know if there are any questions.
NOTE: The plans are single page with MULTIPLE LAYERS. Please check the Layers on the left hand bar or Acrobat Reader or go to View-->Show/Hide-->Navigation Planes-->Layers


Please if you have any questions let me know.



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Working on the walls



Any suggestions?

wow these look great, I know im going to print out a ton!

Rogue Wolves wrote:wow these look great, I know im going to print out a ton!

Don't forget to post pictures! If you have any questions on building let me know.

Thank you very much sir...

Are the other models in that link also designed by you? I find them interesting... very interesting ^^

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:Thank you very much sir...

Are the other models in that link also designed by you? I find them interesting... very interesting ^^

The train is not. the M.A.D.'s I worked with another person. I have other things that I have done like 10mm MechWarrior terrain,GURPS NPC Generator and a few others. Just browse the Files section to see some of the stuff I've done.

Well, this is certainly an epic of epic epicness! I can't wait to build one, it looks amazing. Just one question (sorry if it's been answered already, I did skim through all the pages) - what material should I print it on? Can I use basic paper, or does it need to be thicker, and can I use an ordinary printer to do it?

Also, I just want to warn people that my computer detected malware on page 5 of this thread, hopefully it's just a mistake though

Regular paper is not advised unless it is a full sheet of label Paper which you can then stick onto Cardstock, mat board or Plasticard.

I used Cardstock and Mat Board (1mm and 2mm thick) for mine.

but you could do it out of paper, and just do several thicknesses?

You could but I would suggest using cardstock at that point as it would take less time, less glue, less mess.

For those in the States check WalMart for Georgia Pacific Cardstock (50 lbs weight should work) You could also get tag board, mat board there as well.

For those of us in Europe I have found most of my stuff at a Stationary. My cardstock is 224 gsm and my stationary has a rack of coloured and sometimes textured mat board.

And all of us can search online as well.

If you look at one of the first pictures of this project that was done all in cardstock.

When I bring up the plans, I just get 1 page, am I missing something or doing it wrong?


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Ah figured it out, my bad, looks great

NOTE: The plans are single page with MULTIPLE LAYERS. Please check the Layers on the left hand bar or Acrobat Reader or go to View-->Show/Hide-->Navigation Planes-->Layers

the walls also look very interesting!
will there also be a gate like DoW's Angel Gate?

I think you should have a website so people can use these designs(hint hint).

or a facebook page where you gather the files

 themadgod wrote:
I think you should have a website so people can use these designs(hint hint).

I posted a link to it already

Dungeon Crawlers

Someone over at Warseer posted some pictures of their Bastion they built from my plans

See it here

I simply felt the need to reply reading some of these posts. I absolutely love papercraft and cardstock terrain. There is so much more out there than GW offers in plastic. It just gives much more variety, and often is a simple, fast, inexpensive, and easy way to add a beautiful piece of terrain to the field. I am one of those types of people that love to have terrain, but I want it fast, plus I want something different. GW makes everything have a dizzying array of customization options to make something completely original. Yet often to do so takes lots of time, skill and patience. Plus if I ever do get it done to standards that I would agree with, it is so expensive and took so much time and effort, I would rather put it on a shelf away from my destructive friends and family. Paper makes it so much easier, and if it does get destroyed I could just print up another easily and get it to the table within minutes to hours (depending on the size) not days. And that actually brings me to another point, I have no idea what people are talking about it getting destroyed in a few games. I just got into this so my pieces aren't exactly battle tested, but the pieces I have are exceptionally sturdy. I simply added a single layer of basically cereal box cardboard to the bottom of the roof and flooring of my buildings (which are designed to open up like a shoebox with a removable roof to show the interior) and none to the walls. With that small amount of support it was easily able to hold up my metal Daemon Prince without any problems. They aren't going to survive being thrown across the room (well actually maybe they might) but you wouldn't do that with any piece, be it plastic, metal, or paper so they will last a long time. Even if they meant the detail on it will fade or get destroyed, that can be easily be prevented with a layer of clear paint or a few of even just diluted white Elmer's glue.

I don't understand why he would get on you about the vehicles either. It's not like you plan to take them to a tournament either to play seriously with (and I doubt they would allow it either). And you are simply using them as terrain pieces. I am getting my brother into the game so what I am doing is splitting my army in two and bolstering the forces with papercraft vehicles temporarily until he gets his army. I see little reason to spend all that cash for a temporary fix. I also am using papercraft vehicles to "test the waters" so to speak with certain vehicles. I want to see if they would fit in well enough with my play style for me to actually buy some. If they don't then I wasted what a dollar at most? Vs buying the vehicle at full price to find it doesn't fit my style or tatics and waste the 30 - well over 100 dollars on some.

Plus, above all, warhammer is meant to be different for each player. Each army and board is meant to be completely different, unique to each individual. There was a time in which White Dwarf even gave out papercraft designs for the player to use. Warhammer could not be what it is today if not for papercraft rhinos and shoebox land raiders, it was literally built on them. And even now, there are many shoebox land raiders out there across vast cites of cardshock and cardboard in many households. If a person wants a paper tank in their army, then let them have it. It is their army, not yours, and someone else's opponent, not yours. You may never play against this person, or even meet them for that madder, for the entirety of your life so who cares?

I think I actually somehow remember this thread from 2 years ago lol. Gotta love thread necro.

Please check thread dates before posting - thanks!