Hi,
guess it#s time for the second wave for Vampire Counts to receive its own thead. Currently not much is known, just the following lines from WD July's announcement:

Vampire Counts
Drawn to the battlefields of the Warhammer world by the storm of magic, the Vampire Counts are here next month. August's issue will contain new and exclusive rules for a new vampiric monster to add to your army.

This seems to indicate that the VC release is tied to Storm of Magic somehow.

Some rumours:

CSE wrote:

El Antiguo Guardián wrote:Well, i´m going to start with some one´s.
There are new miniatures for Necromances (not sure), and a flying monster (undead one), possibly an Abbysal TERROR (WELL, IT´S AN ABBYSAL TERROR!) But i don´t know if it have a rider.

it does.....

75hastings69 wrote:I wonder if it's a giant skeletal bat
(...)
There's a new necromancer for the SoM release.

Harry wrote:More of a giant zombie bat than a skeletal bat isn't it?

Neato.

Woot time to dust my zombie hordes :x

Looks pretty neat for Fantasy players.

Large monster for every race? sort of yay but sort of not :'<

Large monsters for Vampire Counts? Never!!!!

How is that a wave 2? The rumours only mention new spellcasters and new monsters. That's a Storm of Magic release, not an army wave.

Has white dwarf ever repeated a cover? That's the cover they used for first wave vamp counts. I call shenanigans.

It's not the cover for the next issue they are showing off.

Disregard

Thrax wrote:Had nobody noticed the CODEX:SISTERS OF BATTLE in that photo? lol....


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If that is a genuine photo leak, then SoB are indeed getting their WD codex.

I think thats what the other topic is for, this one is for the vampires

Did this photo get posted there also? Missed that. In any case, good news all around.


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K nvm, hadn't had the chance to read through all of the other thread, disregard.

On topic: A giant skeletal bat thing sounds....interesting, I guess.

lord_blackfang wrote:How is that a wave 2? The rumours only mention new spellcasters and new monsters. That's a Storm of Magic release, not an army wave.

My thoughts exactly.
I'm also said for the two guys that still play SoB.

lord_blackfang wrote:How is that a wave 2? The rumours only mention new spellcasters and new monsters. That's a Storm of Magic release, not an army wave.

Have some faith

75hastings69 wrote:The "garden of morr" scenery piece, basically a new fantasy graveyard - although I'm not 100% sure that this won't be held back until the VC wave later in the year.

scarletsquig wrote:....I like the necromancer the most, plus it's a model that seriously needed an update.

Me too. Wait till you see the other VC stuff

BramGaunt wrote:Hm, any hint on if, and if what, to expect besides the beastie? Something Black Knighty perhaps?

indeed (IIRC ) maybe a few characters too (although I thought the Necromancer was part of the VC wave???) hope Garden of Morr is part of VC releases.....
Beasts stuff (which will also be along soon) is also VERY nice

Sorry, forgot to post about the "Garden of Morr" scenery piece among all that new stuff coming up the last 24 hours.

And for the dry undead:

75hastings69 wrote:You're kidding TK just got a LOAD of stuff over the last 2 months!! LOL!!! some people are just NEVER satisfied (hope the new plastic collossus/hierotitan cheers you up )

Spiney Norman wrote:Hmmm, ok then, when do we get aforementioned Hierotitan, will it be with SoM, or later this year, or next year?

AFAIK it could well be before the end of this year.

Just for completeness, here the pic of the VC Necromancer:

I really like that Necromancer. Brian Nelson delivers, as always.

Interesting that those blurbs about each model mention that they are done in plastic, not resin.

Despite having rejected Fantasy aeons ago, I am tempted to get one of those Dark Elf hags, might make a good Dark Eldar something. The necromancer also looks ace, must have one of those for my zombies.

puma713 wrote:Interesting that those blurbs about each model mention that they are done in plastic, not resin.

Yes, they are. Plastic singles in blisters are a first. They obviously intend to sell a lot of those. Maybe all together are in one metal mould.

It's an odd move, but a welcome one. Maybe I missed it, but are their prices known? I am hoping not more than €15,-- tops.

Kroothawk wrote:
Have some faith

Well, if you back things up with 75hastings69 quotes it's a whole different matter

GW should do a Vampire Counts As army.

BrookM wrote:It's an odd move, but a welcome one. Maybe I missed it, but are their prices known? I am hoping not more than €15,-- tops.

Ara? the character models in plastic now?

Im making a bet its still as expensive as metal characters, if not more.

Kroothawk wrote:

puma713 wrote:Interesting that those blurbs about each model mention that they are done in plastic, not resin.

Yes, they are. Plastic singles in blisters are a first. They obviously intend to sell a lot of those. Maybe all together are in one metal mould.

Wasn't there talk awhile back of plastic sorcereress boxed sets with a mounted and dismounted version for Dark Elves?

puma713 wrote:Interesting that those blurbs about each model mention that they are done in plastic, not resin.

Does anyone have any dea about the price for these? I'd be curious how they compare to Finecast prices.

One of those blurbs mentions a 'supreme sorceress on dragon' kit for dark elves. Sweet.

Ya there was, hence i suggested the idea of why dont GW just cast all the special chars on 1 frame of plastic and just snip the individuals off when packaging.

Maybe this release will make GW realize how much more popular plastic is to resin and others


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And that chaos sorcerer is an excellent model!

Really glad to see them finally doing something like this with plastics. If GW would innovate some economy in how they design their molds, they might be able to pull this off at reasonable prices.

Mantle wrote:Maybe this release will make GW realize how much more popular plastic is to resin and others

I'm pretty sure GW would know how much more popular plastic is than anything else; they're the ones who get to count the money at the end of the day! It's just been a matter of cost, as plastic molds are expensive. However, someone mentioned the idea of one big mold for a whole bunch of plastic kits like these, which makes sense to me. This bodes well for the future.

Love all four casters. Strong work. The Necro has strong ties to the empire wizard kit, methinks...

Now that is a Necromancer well done GW.

Heard in April that the most expensive unit in WHFB per model.... BLOOD KNIGHTS! are to be in the second wave as plastic.

I was unsure of that when they were released in resin, but my source was sure of the change.

Could it be that it's not the Blood Knights being released in plastic...but the Black Knights?

Kanluwen wrote:Could it be that it's not the Blood Knights being released in plastic...but the Black Knights?

The current Black knights certainly do need a redo.
But the cost of Blood Knights at $34.50US EACH in Australia means that most people are buying Mantic stand ins.
They had a great win with the Dragon princes, they could do the same with Blood Knights.

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Could it be that it's not the Blood Knights being released in plastic...but the Black Knights?

The current Black knights certainly do need a redo.
But the cost of Blood Knights at $34.50US EACH in Australia means that most people are buying Mantic stand ins.

Not just an Aussie phenomenon. The Blood Knights are some of the stupidest priced models in GW's line-up.

They're gorgeous sculpts certainly...but not that gorgeous.

I'm really wondering why they'd put Blood Knights in plastic if this is the case, but not redo the Black Knights. Hrmh.

Eventually they'll both be in plastic, it's just a matter of which come first. The blood knights have been the target of a lot of contempt due to the controversial price, and are the premiere example of why plastics are better than metals for kits of that size. That said, who really knows until it actually happens.

Thrax wrote:Eventually they'll both be in plastic, it's just a matter of which come first. The blood knights have been the target of a lot of contempt due to the controversial price, and are the premiere example of why plastics are better than metals for kits of that size. That said, who really knows until it actually happens.

Not even the metal v. plastics problem solely. The problem is also with GW's idea of "pricing units based on slots/effectiveness".

The Blood Knights, when being designed and 'promoted', were essentially referred to as "Mini-Vampire Lords".

Their effectiveness and scare factor in regards to how "cheesy" they were considered sorta justified it.

Bloodwin wrote:Does anyone have any dea about the price for these? I'd be curious how they compare to Finecast prices.

Covered in the Storm of Magic thread: All sorcerers 10.50 €.

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Could it be that it's not the Blood Knights being released in plastic...but the Black Knights?

The current Black knights certainly do need a redo.
But the cost of Blood Knights at $34.50US EACH in Australia means that most people are buying Mantic stand ins.
They had a great win with the Dragon princes, they could do the same with Blood Knights.

GW didn't release Sororitas and Necrons in Finecast because of the close release of new models.
Why should they burn money with Bloodknight recasts and new boxes with even closer new models?
Black Knights are a rumoured possibility though.

Kilkrazy wrote:GW should do a Vampire Counts As army.

i think mantic beat them to it...

Yeah, I never understood the pricing based on unit effectiveness either. I think it's just plain stupid if that's the case. The rules constantly change and that means so too does the meta, which inevitably means some units just won't be as "effective" for everyone as they were anticipated to be when they got released and priced. I completely understand pricing based on raw materials and business costs, but based on this hypothetical value is just nonsense.

My god that chaos sorcceror.....sooooo amazing, guna get a few of those, and im happy for the VC i guess..

Plastic you say? *raises eyebrow*

Now that is a set in the right direction.

The regular Chaos Sorceror is awesome! Not too big on the Tzeentch one, and the other two are great too, but for armies I don't play. If they're as cheap as the rumors suggest though (in the single-digits for pounds) I'll have to pick one up, despite my "no more GW" views. If it is cheaper, I don't mind buying the cheaper stuff. Just the ludicrous prices are a problem (which means my funds are still low).

Those Chaos Sorcerers are FUGLY.

And that dark elf sorceress is not naked enough.

Plastic Black Knights yay, More KB to pass around..

Wait.... new plastic sculpt for undead horse please for gods sake.

All four of those plastic characters are fantastic, particularly the two Chaos sorcerers. Of course I won't be buying any because GW doesn't like Japan, but if they were being sold by a less demented company I'd be all over them.

Temujin wrote:All four of those plastic characters are fantastic, particularly the two Chaos sorcerers. Of course I won't be buying any because GW doesn't like Japan, but if they were being sold by a less demented company I'd be all over them.

Out of curiosity , there are large groups of Otaku in Japan , why wont Bandai create a Gundam version of miniature game?

[quote=KroothawkCovered in the Storm of Magic thread: All sorcerers 10.50 €.

timetowaste85 wrote:[quote=KroothawkCovered in the Storm of Magic thread: All sorcerers 10.50 €.

Any idea how much that'll be in US dollars? $15, I hope?

God, I'd hope for characters being $13.25 again. The cheapest character you can find now is $15. $13.25 would be awesome again. And are they actually plastic? Those packages do look like finecast...but I'm no expert, and I did see 'plastic models' mentioned in the description...

timetowaste85 wrote:God, I'd hope for characters being $13.25 again. The cheapest character you can find now is $15. $13.25 would be awesome again. And are they actually plastic? Those packages do look like finecast...but I'm no expert, and I did see 'plastic models' mentioned in the description...

Atleast you arnt Canadian , chars costs us $20-$30....

GW price-fail strikes again, eh? How far in Canada are you? Can you just hop the border for minis? Is that anything you have to declare with customs?
"Hi officer, I'm just hopping the border to by-pass a gaming company's embargo on stupid prices and getting some miniatures from America. Nothing illegal. I hope."

timetowaste85 wrote:GW price-fail strikes again, eh? How far in Canada are you? Can you just hop the border for minis? Is that anything you have to declare with customs?
"Hi officer, I'm just hopping the border to by-pass a gaming company's embargo on stupid prices and getting some miniatures from America. Nothing illegal. I hope."

I live 45 mins away from US border. Never checked if there is GW in Seattle, and i wont be able to convince anyone i trust to go to USA with me for purpose of buying minis.

Someone posted this to the gallery

Holy crap, the plastic characters were awesome (I just hope that, for 10€, they have some extras a la Space Marine Commander, and they expand that trend to 40k), but the Dragon is simply beautiful. Wish I could take a better look (from different directions, that is), but it certainly is one of the best kits I've seen.

The cockatrice is a very nice sculpt, Trish improved an awesome lot since I got into warhammer. The blues are weird, but the miniature itself is rather tasty.

Very tempted to get the dragon (though I don't like the rider that much), as well as a Necrosphinx. And a Skaven Bell, and the Arachno... oh, why don't I play fantasy?

They don't look like they have any extras(likely why they're in blisters rather than miniboxes), but likely they'd be compatible with parts from the monster version.

Lets hope they get some, it could be a couple of sprues. But the packaging et al... I'm liking it. If they did a Terminator Captain, an Ork Warboss, now that'd be really tasty.

EDIT: These plastic characters eclipse what I expected from Finecast in so many ways. Lovely, lovely miniatures, the whole lot.

Lets see that dragon sculpt stay hidden from warmachines in 8th ed TLOS.

BANG!

Coupled with template warmachines (Cannon, flame cannons, rock lobbers etc) hitting both monster and rider GW stupidly severely limited the number of dragons that people take anymore.

I will be a happy man if these plastic chars make it to 40k.

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:Lets see that dragon sculpt stay hidden from warmachines in 8th ed TLOS.

BANG!

Coupled with template warmachines (Cannon, flame cannons, rock lobbers etc) hitting both monster and rider GW stupidly severely limited the number of dragons that people take anymore.

It's not like people will actually play against armies/models they don't think they can beat anyway (see:Forge World) so it doesn't much matter.

New dragon to paint.

That Black Dragon is awesome. I need it!

Kid_Kyoto wrote:Someone posted this to the gallery

Wrong thread and posted before in better quality in the correct thread (Storm of Magic).

If you want to repost a pic with Vampiric relevance, look at the throne (or portal) here, also released in July for SoM:


Another tidbit:

Frgt/10 wrote:who says there's no zombie dragon?
I've already said in 2 separate threads that the VC beastie has multiple options, one of which can be used right now...

That's a nice dragon but I fear for its stability.

Kroothawk wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:Someone posted this to the gallery

Wrong thread and posted before in better quality in the correct thread (Storm of Magic).

If you want to repost a pic with Vampiric relevance, look at the throne (or portal) here, also released in July for SoM:


Another tidbit:

Frgt/10 wrote:who says there's no zombie dragon?
I've already said in 2 separate threads that the VC beastie has multiple options, one of which can be used right now...

Some very awesome terrain/dioramic pieces!

I would even pay AUS RRP for those.

Some very nice stuff coming out for fantasy. Kind of bummed that I can't buy them AND keep my dignity, due to GW's pricing in Japan. The dragon looks great, cockatrice solid, characters great, terrain is interesting-- those dreadfire portal flaming skulls would be great ammo for my TK catapults!

The terrain is terrible, other than the stairway.

Just the skulls on top of skulls with giant skulls and firey skulls with a side of skulls thing is cartoony and daft. This terrain and the new monsters all look very WoW and ott to me, one of the things I always loved about the Warhammer background was the gothic darkness about it.

This isn't grimdark, it's grimdaft.

Aye, the stairway will be good for Mordheim, where individual figs can make use of a battle up the staircase, but the rest is meh.

Also really disliking the Black Dragon, not the way I would have expected it at all. Looks like its about to crash to the ground as it's tail just got caught in the tree.

MeanGreenStompa wrote: This terrain and the new monsters all look very WoW

You nailed it, that's exactly what it reminds me of. I couldn't put my finger on it, but I'm sure that's what the reference was. Certainly, not the warhams Grampa played.

WOW, that dragon looks awesome...

MeanGreenStompa wrote:The terrain is terrible, other than the stairway.

Just the skulls on top of skulls with giant skulls and firey skulls with a side of skulls thing is cartoony and daft. This terrain and the new monsters all look very WoW and ott to me, one of the things I always loved about the Warhammer background was the gothic darkness about it.

This isn't grimdark, it's grimdaft.

I don't get your WoW reference. Which zone were you thinking of? If anything WoW is watered down Warhammer especially as Mark Gibbons is now doing art for them. I have seen Blizzard adapt ideas from various IPs and they dont deny it, in fact they celebrate it. There are plenty of popculture references in Warcraft. I could see a younger player who experienced Warcraft before Warhammer thinking it was this way round but for me the new storm of magic ties back into the over the top 80s Citadel miniatures that I loved then and still love now (especially the old Chaos Toilet). This isn't intended as an old codger 'get off my lawn' response, just an observation from someone who fell in love with D&D in the mid eighties and then found a messed up British company who did something similar but a whole lot darker and over the top (a bit like my love of Iron Maiden).

I also don't understand all this hate for the over the top skulls and spikes. Chaos spikey bits have always been part of Warhammer and it amazes me that people get interested in Citadel miniatures and then complain about it. Whilst I was surprised about the grim reaper stairway it fits right in with the Island of blood. If you go back to those pictures and most of Games Workshop's centerpiece scenery they all have giant skulls. In the 8th edition rulebook they make it abundantly clear that most of the terrain in Warhammer Fantasy Battles is messed up in some way and that chaos magic is rife. I think this is a good thing because it differentiates Warhammer from Middle Earth and with the Hobbit and the inevitable Battle of the Five Armies coming, Games Workshop need to put Warhammer into a stark contrast if they want that IP to survive what will be three to four years of Middle Earth mania. Also with all the lawsuits flying around the industry (most of them rom GW admittedly) it is far better for GW to say that Warhammer is over the top chaos spiky bits so that it is easier for them to defend their IP and also easier for the many other excellent companies to do their own thing and not be liable for the IP hammer. GW know they cant copyright half timber houses and standard european castles, but if they do wacky skulls and spikes everywhere they can make that their Warhammer style. I was, and to some degree still am a bit surprised at how Chaos derived Warhammer 8th edition has become but I am very happy that GW are going for it in a big way because it makes it unique and allows other companies like Mantic a chance to get in on the action and create some competition.

This can only help make the market more healthy and I look forward to the day when people wake up and realise they don't have to by things they don't like whether that's from Games Workshop, Apple, Lucasfilm or Blizzard.

My sense of MGS's comments is the he associates the new terrain with an aesthetic commonly associated with games like WoW, rather than a specific zone. It trades the menace and the gritty realism (obviously fantastical, pardon the oxymoron) of the older warhammer for the over the top (read: silly), oversimplified modern warhammer setting.

It's all about the kiddies. The current target demographic has be weaned on animation and video games; this is what they know. The storied times of using your imagination are gone, games workshop is doing it for you.

Good stuff, I really like the Tzeentch sorceror.

Nothing for Ogres. Guess I get to save my money, thanks GW.

agnosto wrote:Nothing for Ogres. Guess I get to save my money, thanks GW.

Errm - why would there be anything for Ogres in a Vampire Counts second wave?

Kroothawk wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:Someone posted this to the gallery

Wrong thread and posted before in better quality in the correct thread (Storm of Magic).

If you want to repost a pic with Vampiric relevance, look at the throne (or portal) here, also released in July for SoM:
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Dysartes wrote:

agnosto wrote:Nothing for Ogres. Guess I get to save my money, thanks GW.

Errm - why would there be anything for Ogres in a Vampire Counts second wave?

Yeah, more or less wrong thread. I was referring to the whole storm of magic thing or whatever it's called...there's more in this thread about that than coversation about VCs, guess I confused it with the other thread.

Dysartes wrote:

agnosto wrote:Nothing for Ogres. Guess I get to save my money, thanks GW.

Errm - why would there be anything for Ogres in a Vampire Counts second wave?

Maybe there is something for Ogres in the Ogre Kingdom October release

BTW small tidbit about the Vampire monster:

Harry wrote:Nope I have heard roughly the same ... a giant zombie abyssal bat night terror type thing
I have heard that it is....awesome looking.
.... and given that I heard Alex Hedstrom has sculpted it I am imagining something very special given the last several kits he has sculpted with all those computery gizmos he uses.

agnosto wrote:Nothing for Ogres. Guess I get to save my money, thanks GW.

Just wait till October

Hmmm... this is a thread I'll be watching carefully. Not convinced on the Necro, it's a good sculpt, but I still love my Necro from Warhammer Quest (internet cookie to whoever remembers his name).

The large monster I may have to just get to have a centerpiece for the army, doubt I'd ever use it in a game smaller than 5k.

Forget the Necromancer, look at those WoC sorcerors .... Im actually drooling ...

Small clarification:

75hastings69 wrote:Thing is Harry I know of 2 large things for vc and whilst "I" don't know if they are from the same kit knowing what they are it could be conceivable, especially as other respected posters are pretty much suggesting the large vc kit due out soon is multi purpose.

1 thing for certain is I'm excited

Multi-purpose large monster kits for every warhammer army is interesting, but I personally think GW's making a mistake with it. The giant spider for O&G was a nice sculpt, and the Tomb Kings monster is OK... but seems kind of out of place. With fantasy, I just don't think they can go by the same model as 40k... the real thing that's going to stop people from starting it is the high cost of how many gazillion normal troopers you need. I wish they'd focus on that...

That said, an awesome abyssal terror sculpts would get a huge thumbs up from me, I'm just not digging the trend is all.

75hastings69 hinted at the fact that Ogre sized Flesh Golems similar to Frankenstein's monster are in the works or even part of the second wave.

Zombie Ogres? Awesome. fething awesome.

Hooray! Now I can finally use my Rackham Flesh Golem on the table! Woot!

No No No the WoC sorcerers are UGLY. The Tzeentch one looks like he's anorexic and doing some weird yoga move.

And the helmet on the other one is way too tall.

Noisy_Marine wrote:No No No the WoC sorcerers are UGLY. The Tzeentch one looks like he's anorexic and doing some weird yoga move.

And the helmet on the other one is way too tall.

I disagree wholeheartedly!

I just pray the black dragon isn't finecast could you imagine the instability and the cost? xD

GAMES WORKSHOP I LOVE YOU!!!!!!!!

Those new plastic models look amazing, i can't wait to get my new VC

Ozymandias wrote: Not convinced on the Necro, it's a good sculpt, but I still love my Necro from Warhammer Quest (internet cookie to whoever remembers his name).

Is the necro called "Gunthar Larenscheld" or something like that, I have no idea what happened to my Warhammer Quest stuff but I have really fond memories of the game, might download the rules if I can find a pdf, do I get a cookie now

I really like the new necro, might buy him even though I dont have a necro on foot in my VC army list but then there is always room for expansion.........

Correct!

Could the Black Coach possibly get a plastic kit?

The GW website has it as "no longer available", but I vaguely remember reading in some thread that there was a special reason for that. Don't remember what exactly that reason was though. Does anyone know?

Small update:
August Vampire monster has rider.

From the published spreadsheet (see SoM thread):

Vampire Counts Necromancer 13.25 $
Guess some rereleases, not sure if Finecast or metal (spreadsheet speaks of blisters, not clampacks)
Vampire Counts Necromancer on Nightmare 15.00 $ (does that make sense???)
Vampire Counts Necromancer with Skull 13.25 $
Vampire Counts Necromancer with Staff 13.25 $

Kroothawk wrote:
Vampire Counts Necromancer on Nightmare 15.00 $ (does that make sense???)

Turns out Nightmare is the name of a drug Vampires use that pitches them into a deep psychic fit. It reduces their melee abilities, but allows them to manifest powerful "skull bolts" that cause 2d6 S5 hits to a target unit and Terror. The vampire can drop up to 3 tabs of Nightmare for multiple attacks a turn, but if they roll doubles on the number of hits they suffer a Miscast for a d6+1 on the chart.

So yea, sounds about right.

Wehrkind wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:
Vampire Counts Necromancer on Nightmare 15.00 $ (does that make sense???)

Turns out Nightmare is the name of a drug Vampires use that pitches them into a deep psychic fit. It reduces their melee abilities, but allows them to manifest powerful "skull bolts" that cause 2d6 S5 hits to a target unit and Terror. The vampire can drop up to 3 tabs of Nightmare for multiple attacks a turn, but if they roll doubles on the number of hits they suffer a Miscast for a d6+1 on the chart.

Careful, BoLS will repost this with a headline about the new Necromancer and his psycho-drugs and the internet will be aflame.

puma713 wrote:

Wehrkind wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:
Vampire Counts Necromancer on Nightmare 15.00 $ (does that make sense???)

Turns out Nightmare is the name of a drug Vampires use that pitches them into a deep psychic fit. It reduces their melee abilities, but allows them to manifest powerful "skull bolts" that cause 2d6 S5 hits to a target unit and Terror. The vampire can drop up to 3 tabs of Nightmare for multiple attacks a turn, but if they roll doubles on the number of hits they suffer a Miscast for a d6+1 on the chart.

Careful, BoLS will repost this with a headline about the new Necromancer and his psycho-drugs and the internet will be aflame.

Where do you think I got the info? Guess it would have been good form to supply a link, you are right.

Kroothawk wrote:Small update:
August Vampire monster has rider.

Since the rumour said that it was in a dual pack with the Abyssal Terror or Zombie dragon, there was always going to be a rider in there. Haven't seen anything saying wether the brand new monster is a mount though.

Kroothawk wrote:Vampire Counts Necromancer on Nightmare 15.00 $ (does that make sense???)

Haven't read the Necromancer entry for a while, but can Necromancers take mounts that aren't Corpse Carts? A Nightmare is basically a horse, so it's a horse mounted Necromancer.

Kroothawk wrote:
Vampire Counts Necromancer on Nightmare 15.00 $ (does that make sense???)

Nightmare used to be the normal skeleton steed.

"winged" nightmare is that monstrous mount

Ya GW is weird like that xD

LunaHound wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:
Vampire Counts Necromancer on Nightmare 15.00 $ (does that make sense???)

Nightmare used to be the normal skeleton steed.

"winged" nightmare is that monstrous mount

Ya GW is weird like that xD

But Skeletal Steeds are still in the VC army book, and Winged Nightmares aren't.

Nightmares are basically 'some form of horse sized undead mount that isn't a skeletal steed'. Winged Nightmares became Abyssal Terrors, which are 'some form of large, winged undead mount that isn't a zombie dragon'.

I know , i have the models :'D

In German, the winged Nightmare is the only Nightmare and still called that (not Abyssal Terror), that's why I was confused seeing the price of 15$.

Well yeah, the old model is still called a winged nightmare everywhere.

Since necromancers cann't ride anything besides a regular nightmare or a corpse cart, it makes me think that listing is an error, and it's a finecast rerelease of the blood dragon vampire on winged nightmare, and nothing to do with the new models.

Necromancer on Nightmare: http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440102a&prodId=prod1050106

Still perfectly available as an option in the book, and $15 is price it is right now. All three of those are just rereleases of the old blisters. No reason for anyone to be confused.

Anyway, nobody knows why the Black Coach is "no longer available"?

Ah, that's where the confusion came from. I thought the list said Necromander on Winged Nightmare.

It appears that the VC stuff on that release schedule is all old stuff, probably being redone in Finecast.

The Black Coach... maybe it too is gettin ghe Finecast treatment? I certainly wouldn't mind. It could also be getting a new kit in the second wave. Certainly possible, the rumours have been very vague.

Is this really even considered a second wave? Any actual new kits that fill a hole in the army book?

When people talk about the second wave, they mean August, with the new monster and hopefully something else, maybe Black knights. There will also be a special Vampire terrain piece, "The garden of Morr" (=graveyard).

One of the guys at Warseer who was doing the bulk of the rumouring said it wouldn't be one big second wave, but there are multiple kits. So while the new monster, plus whatever else the kit makes, is coming in August, it's not the only release. Sounds like it's a few smaller splash releases over a few months, starting with July and the Necromancer.

I know someone who will be quite thrilled to learn of this.

How is this even a second wave? I've only seen the one monster kit, and terrain piece confirmed and those are really just the continuation of SOM. Have Black Knights even be rumored at all? I sounds like a lot of wishful thinking really.

Sersi wrote:How is this even a second wave? I've only seen the one monster kit, and terrain piece confirmed and those are really just the continuation of SOM. Have Black Knights even be rumored at all? I sounds like a lot of wishful thinking really.

I haven't seen the release list for August or the rest of the year, so if you have, tell us please.

Sersi wrote:How is this even a second wave? I've only seen the one monster kit, and terrain piece confirmed and those are really just the continuation of SOM. Have Black Knights even be rumored at all? I sounds like a lot of wishful thinking really.

In warseer it has been brought up that the souce of that piece of news was just confused with the August monster releases ( Necromancer and such )