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Post by: Ckilleen
I know we all know that Necrons are close. I was told by my GW sales representive today not to order any new Necron Models for stock and they are all ATO. I of cource asked if he could elaborate and of course he could not confirm not deny they would be releasing new Necron models or a codex. Last time He told me something like this 3 months later the Grey Knight Codex and Models were release. Just passing along the info I find out not sure if this was already posted or not.
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Post by: FalkorsRaiders
Not to say you didn't hear what you heard, but with the practically confirmed WD dex for Sister's coming out in August-ish, the rumors have put the release in November-ish. Now, maybe GW will have both the Necrons codex and Sisters WD dex. I mean, there is nothing that 100% says this can't happen, but this would seem very weird, imo.
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Post by: Ckilleen
I know this, I was just saying what has happened in the past. but if my memory serves me correct they release a WFB army book the same month the Blood Angels WD dex came out a while ago
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Post by: Griever
FalkorsRaiders wrote:Not to say you didn't hear what you heard, but with the practically confirmed WD dex for Sister's coming out in August-ish, the rumors have put the release in November-ish. Now, maybe GW will have both the Necrons codex and Sisters WD dex. I mean, there is nothing that 100% says this can't happen, but this would seem very weird, imo.
It's a White Dwarf dex that probably won't have any new model releases. I don't see how this would compete with a new Necron codex. Perhaps if they release the SoB core troops in finecost?
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Post by: FalkorsRaiders
Well, let's just hope that it happens. I'd rather your source be correct, in all honesty, but this places negativity has seeped into this once optimistic soul.
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Post by: PLR
Considering what we KNOW is coming, Necrons might be out in November, but I'm thinking January/February might be more realistic...
Either way, GW isn't getting any more of my money until they come out.
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Post by: FalkorsRaiders
PLR wrote:Considering what we KNOW is coming, Necrons might be out in November, but I'm thinking January/February might be more realistic...
Either way, GW isn't getting any more of my money until they come out.
First I get all excited when I heard Necrons were gonna be out this summer. Later I get told to expect them in August. When the Sisters WD came to light, it was moved to around August. Now, I get January/February? Lets just say they will come out "later" and not ask questions...
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Post by: Ascalam
If they released them both at the same time they could release Sanctuary 101, the board game at the same time 
I think it would be an awesome spinoff to space hulk, with sisters and Necrons hunting each other through the sanctuary
Don't see it happening, but who knows 
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Post by: FalkorsRaiders
Ascalam wrote:If they released them both at the same time they could release Sanctuary 101, the board game at the same time
I think it would be an awesome spinoff to space hulk, with sisters and Necrons hunting each other through the sanctuary
Don't see it happening, but who knows
sounds great!
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Post by: Brother SRM
I would hardly call this confirmed, since this is one step better than "A red shirt told me" which is one step above "My uncle works at Nintendo and you can totally play as Luigi in Mario 64" - however, most speculation has been pointing towards late summer - autumn for the Necrons, so I wouldn't be surprised.
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Post by: ShatteredBlade
Well we will see, but this is far from confirmed.
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Post by: imark789
Ascalam wrote:If they released them both at the same time they could release Sanctuary 101, the board game at the same time
I think it would be an awesome spinoff to space hulk, with sisters and Necrons hunting each other through the sanctuary
Don't see it happening, but who knows
yeah dude that sounds amazing. im pumped for the new necron stuff regardless though...i've been waiting what 8 years now?
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Post by: FalkorsRaiders
imark789 wrote:yeah dude that sounds amazing. im pumped for the new necron stuff regardless though...i've been waiting what 8 years now?
Since July 2002, so 8 years til next month. We'll get them when GW says so, which will be through White Dwarf.
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Post by: KarlPedder
PLR wrote:Considering what we KNOW is coming, Necrons might be out in November, but I'm thinking January/February might be more realistic...
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If they are next I will be extremely suprised if we don't get them Sept-Nov of this year, there has been at least 2 WH 40k codexes released each year for the last 10 years at least 1 in the 1st half of the year and at least one in the 2nd. Only once in the last 10 years has the 2nd half codex not been released between Sept-Nov and that ironically was the last Necron Codex released in July of 02.
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Post by: Ouze
I got all excited when I saw this subject line, too.
Sigh.
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Post by: edweird
A combo release of pt1 SoB via WDorf, and a bonafide codex Necrons in august with a sept pt2 SoB, seems reasonable and maintains the standard pattern... it also let's them get a chance to reup Tau before the looming 6th ed hammer falls.
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Post by: Kroothawk
As said, a speculative conclusion starting from a redshirt statement is not a confirmation. But November, sounds good according to current rumours.
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Post by: reds8n
November would mean we could get a preview of them at GD : Uk.
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Post by: LunaHound
Then what is going to take up the next 40k release slot?
I refuse to believe GW will make them SOB even if they do get finecast ( still same old models )
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Post by: Praxiss
I will have to keep an eye out for any sneaky necron stuff at GD.
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Post by: Mar
November earliest from what we have seen, if white dwarf is THE source and THE source says august is sisters of battle and vampire counts wave (if I recall correctly) then I guess thats what we have to believe. It is next to impossible necrons will come at the same time considering GW's opinion that us seeing a dark eldar vehicle several weeks earlier detracted from other dark eldar sales (a debate for another time of course). The games day UK idea of introducing the new necrons sounds plausible too.
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Post by: juraigamer
Red shirts caught red handed telling lies again I see...
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Post by: streamdragon
ShatteredBlade wrote:Well we will see, but this is far from confirmed.
Just had to say I <3 your avatar.
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Post by: Ouze
streamdragon wrote:ShatteredBlade wrote:Well we will see, but this is far from confirmed.
Just had to say I <3 your avatar.
Oh, snap. I just saw it. Well done, well done.
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Post by: evilsponge
If you do what I do and just believe the opposite of what gw employee's say you'll never be deceived.
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Post by: Cottonjaw
b-b-b-b-but.... Tau?
*sigh* Maybe next year.
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Post by: Ascalam
Tau have had 2 codexes since necrons were released. I'm not too broken up if they have a little longer to wait..
Of course if we could let SM languish in obscurity for 10 years and update the other codexes instead of redoing their codex with every edition...
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Post by: Cottonjaw
True. But the Necron codex wasn't the bag of hammers that that Tau release codex was. Codex: Tau Empire was an absolute necessity.
Now I will agree, that the Necrons need it more. I'm just saying that if the Necrons get pushed back because of Sisters, than Tau, by all logic, get pushed back as well.
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Post by: Ascalam
Ok, that one i'll give you. They really did drop the ball with the original Tau codex..
I'm just a little tired of reading Necron Codex Soooon !!!!! threads. I've been reading them for 4 years or so now, and guess what, no new codex...
I'm hoping Sisters don't push anything back still more.
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Post by: Praxiss
I'm going to try and avoid getting my hopes up until i see a Necron on the cover of WD.
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Post by: cyberscape7
Praxiss wrote:I'm going to try and avoid getting my hopes up until i see a Necron on the cover of WD.
Even then, I think you should avoid keeping your hopes up
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Post by: Praxiss
Lol. If i am dissappointed by the new codex then expect to see my 'crons on ebay pretty quick. I'll switch to renegade guard to back up my chaos army instead.
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Post by: angelshade00
So everyone's back again huh? Well without Yakface giving out rumors, I don't think this thread is going to reach 60+ pages lol. 
Who knows, maybe something new will come up. But indeed, how many more armies must pop up before Necrons? In the end, I agree with Praxiss. Until I see a Necron Lord on the cover of WD I'll refrain from believing much. And I had such high hopes for this August... 
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Post by: Darkjediben
I needs my rumors man, I'm gettin the shakes
*taps vein*
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Post by: gorgon
reds8n wrote:November would mean we could get a preview of them at GD : Uk.
Which would make sense. And I thought it was always going to be November, or maybe October. Didn't "The Voice" or one of the other rumor regulars make some Halloween hint earlier in the year?
I'm starting to wonder if Tau are in the new box set next year.
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Post by: angelshade00
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Post by: agnosto
gorgon wrote:reds8n wrote:November would mean we could get a preview of them at GD : Uk.
Which would make sense. And I thought it was always going to be November, or maybe October. Didn't "The Voice" or one of the other rumor regulars make some Halloween hint earlier in the year?
I'm starting to wonder if Tau are in the new box set next year.
October is solidly slated to be Ogre Kingdoms from all the somewhat reliable rumor mongers and I doubt they'll release a 40k and fantasy army at the same time.
Who knows at this point though, they could wind up suprising us all.
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Post by: baron deathnyx
Everybody should just keep an eye out at Games day to see any new releases. GD is usualy the place to see any new releases.
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Post by: Brother SRM
baron deathnyx wrote:Everybody should just keep an eye out at Games day to see any new releases. GD is usualy the place to see any new releases.
Not usually; only the Dark Eldar reveal at Games Day last year is anything like what you're thinking of. For years, GD was pretty barren.
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Post by: Ascalam
Given that Necrons would be making a 'rebirth of the line' type event like the DE, after a decade of obscurity, it's possible they'd do the same thing
Or not.. you can never tell with GW
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Post by: Vhalyar
More from Blood of Kittens here.
Unfortunately it's pretty badly written, so here's the gist of it:
Fast Attack slot:
- Scarabs
- Destroyers (+Heavy Destroyers)
- Wraiths
- New Jetbikes (Tomb Blades, from Yakface)
Destroyers
- Only one army list entry
- Fast Attack slot
- Upgrades to Heavy Destroyer (All, just one? No mention)
- Jump Infantry instead of Jetbikes.
Wraiths
- Statline has not changed much
- Strength 6 ("same as a Dreadnought's without its fist")
- 2 Wounds
- Can use wound allocation trickery to a small degree (Upgrades are individual)
- Costs 40 points each ("same as a Terminator")
- 3++ save ("same as a terminator with shield")
- 2 Attacks that Rend
- Moves through terrain without taking a test
- Max unit size is 6
- Fearless
- Jump Infantry
- Can have whips that help with the low Initiative problem (Whips? Like the Tyranid Lash Ship I guess.)
Can equip one of two guns:
- Exiler: Heavy single shot, pistol range. Unit must pass strength test of be removed. Costs 15 points ("same as a Grey Hunter").
- Pistol: Same strength as the Wraith melee attacks. Costs 10 points ("Costs 25% of a Terminator").
Scarabs:
- Apparently puts the Wraiths to serious shame.
C'tan
- Correction about the "makes all terrain dangerous" upgrade: All difficult terrain becomes dangerous
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Post by: Stonerhino
A few things need correcting.
The unit fitting in a Razorback. That's just saying that the max squad size is 6. Backed up by the 12 wound comment later on.
"("the Jump… no… the Beasts… No… The Jetbikes?… no… THE OTHER JUMP!")" Is just talking about the random roll to pick what unit he will talk about.
I like what I hear if it's all true though.
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Post by: Vhalyar
And done. Though to be honest I'm now more interested in hearing about the scarabs, beyond what Yakface mentioned.
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Post by: The Grundel
Necrons, the new dark eldar.
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Post by: cyberscape7
Ascalam wrote:Given that Necrons would be making a 'rebirth of the line' type event like the DE, after a decade of obscurity, it's possible they'd do the same thing
Or not.. you can never tell with GW
I have a theory that the guys at games workshop roll dice to decide what is coming out when.
e.g. and the august release is- rolls dice- SoB!!! (followed by SM)
On a side note, when is GD UK?
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Post by: Kroothawk
Brother SRM wrote:baron deathnyx wrote:Everybody should just keep an eye out at Games day to see any new releases. GD is usualy the place to see any new releases.
Not usually; only the Dark Eldar reveal at Games Day last year is anything like what you're thinking of. For years, GD was pretty barren.
GD Germany wasn't even allowed to reveal Space Hulk, which was on preorder the very next day!
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Post by: Anpu-adom
Vhalyar wrote:More from Blood of Kittens here.
Unfortunately it's pretty badly written, so here's the gist of it:
Fast Attack slot:
- Scarabs
- Destroyers (+Heavy Destroyers)
- Wraiths
- New Jetbikes (Tomb Blades, from Yakface)
Destroyers
- Only one army list entry
- Fast Attack slot
- Upgrades to Heavy Destroyer (All, just one? No mention)
- Jump Infantry instead of Jetbikes.
Wraiths
- Statline has not changed much
- Strength 6 ("same as a Dreadnought's without its fist")
- 2 Wounds
- Can use wound allocation trickery to a small degree (Upgrades are individual)
- Costs 40 points each ("same as a Terminator")
- 3++ save ("same as a terminator with shield")
- 2 Attacks that Rend
- Moves through terrain without taking a test
- Max unit size is 6
- Fearless
- Jump Infantry
- Can have whips that help with the low Initiative problem (Whips? Like the Tyranid Lash Ship I guess.)
Can equip one of two guns:
- Exiler: Heavy single shot, pistol range. Unit must pass strength test of be removed. Costs 15 points ("same as a Grey Hunter").
- Pistol: Same strength as the Wraith melee attacks. Costs 10 points ("Costs 25% of a Terminator").
Scarabs:
- Apparently puts the Wraiths to serious shame.
C'tan
- Correction about the "makes all terrain dangerous" upgrade: All difficult terrain becomes dangerous
I'm new to the community, but what is the track record for badtaste at Blood of Kittens? I've read them all, but the information is presented in such a weird way (thanks for the translation).
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Post by: BrassScorpion
I'm new to the community, but what is the track record for bad taste at Blood of Kittens? I've read them all, but the information is presented in such a weird way (thanks for the translation).
I think you can guess the answer to your own question simply based on the name of that blog. Trust your instincts on this one.
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Post by: Kurgash
BrassScorpion wrote:I'm new to the community, but what is the track record for bad taste at Blood of Kittens? I've read them all, but the information is presented in such a weird way (thanks for the translation).
I think you can guess the answer to your own question simply based on the name of that blog. Trust your instincts on this one.
A few dark rituals, sacrifice of innocence and a dash of naivety? That about describes their track record I'd guess.
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Post by: Mr.Church13
Anyone have any idea of what would be some relatively "safe" units to buy for necrons right now. My hobby gland is itching for some Necrony goodness.
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Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin
I'd guess Warriors, and by the sound of the rumours, you'll have more of them now as well.
Been considering getting another Battleforce for the boy, just to bulk up his Warriors count.
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Post by: Zathras
Mr.Church13 wrote:Anyone have any idea of what would be some relatively "safe" units to buy for necrons right now. My hobby gland is itching for some Necrony goodness.
Warriors, Destroyers and Monoliths would good to go for safe units...maybe Lords as well. The other stuff I'd stay away from till the Codex comes out on the chance we may be getting revamped units in plastic/resin. I'd also hold off on using the Scarabs from the Warrior boxes to see if they get any changes in the new dex.
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Post by: The Grog
Sigh.
Old Wraiths, 6 on charge: 24 attacks, 12 hits, 10 wounds. 3.33 casualties on MEQ, 1.66 on TEQ, 6.66 on GEQ.
New Wraiths, 6 on charge: 18 attacks, 9 hits, 6 wounds + 1.5 rends. 3.5 casualties on MEQ, 2 on TEQ, 5.5 on GEQ.
Old Wraiths, 6: 18 attacks, 9 hits, 7.5 wound. 2.5 casualties on MEQ, 1.25 on TEQ, 5 on GEQ.
New Wraiths, 6: 12 attacks, 6 hits, 4 wounds + 1 rend. 2.33 casualties on MEQ, 1.33 on TEQ, 3.66 on GEQ.
I hope that extra wound turns out to be awesome, because they lost combat power against everything squishier than a Marine.
EDIT: Usual shorthand butchery of statistical rules apply.
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Post by: Mar
The Grog wrote:Sigh.
Old Wraiths, 6 on charge: 24 attacks, 12 hits, 10 wounds. 3.33 casualties on MEQ, 1.66 on TEQ, 6.66 on GEQ.
New Wraiths, 6 on charge: 18 attacks, 9 hits, 6 wounds + 1.5 rends. 3.5 casualties on MEQ, 2 on TEQ, 5.5 on GEQ.
Old Wraiths, 6: 18 attacks, 9 hits, 7.5 wound. 2.5 casualties on MEQ, 1.25 on TEQ, 5 on GEQ.
New Wraiths, 6: 12 attacks, 6 hits, 4 wounds + 1 rend. 2.33 casualties on MEQ, 1.33 on TEQ, 3.66 on GEQ.
I hope that extra wound turns out to be awesome, because they lost combat power against everything squishier than a Marine.
EDIT: Usual shorthand butchery of statistical rules apply.
Good thing most tend to be at marine squish level!
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Post by: tiekwando
well if they really get another wound, keep the 3++ have wbb moved to 5+ and stay at 40 points I would consider them better. Plus now you would be able to run a true wraith ring (not sure on the lord) but 18 wraiths is 54 s6 rending attacks on the charge.
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Post by: samrtk
Curse you misleading title of hopefulness!
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Post by: Mr.Church13
You know I would have no problem letting Sisters push my beloved Necrons back if they were getting a fair shake of an update. But a WD codex just seems wrong and I don't even play Sisters.
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Post by: Sergeant Horse
I tried to order necron warriors last week and was told they were discontinued.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Of course they've been discontinued. They're about to be repackaged with half the models for 2/3rds the price.
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Post by: EYEofTERROR
I doubt that Necrons will be released anytime this year. Seems like it would steal the thunder from DE. If the release of a new Necron dex will be anything comparable to DE, then I would imagine they would release it in November with a splash release in February. Just like the Dark Eldar. Then they could ride the hype of an all new and spectacular army all year. This is the year of DE, where everyone wanted or bought into Dark Eldar and new releases came out over and over while the hype was still high. Next year will be Necrons.
Seriously though, when are we going to see the release of another Space Marines dex?
With SoB being released as a white dwarf codex, it seems like gw is rushing 5th Edition along. I wouldn't be surprised to see Necrons segue into 6th, though it seems like Chaos Marines are usually the first or last codex to be released with every new edition.
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Post by: Kurgash
EYEofTERROR wrote:I doubt that Necrons will be released anytime this year. Seems like it would steal the thunder from DE. If the release of a new Necron dex will be anything comparable to DE, then I would imagine they would release it in November with a splash release in February. Just like the Dark Eldar. Then they could ride the hype of an all new and spectacular army all year. This is the year of DE, where everyone wanted or bought into Dark Eldar and new releases came out over and over while the hype was still high. Next year will be Necrons.
Seriously though, when are we going to see the release of another Space Marines dex?
With SoB being released as a white dwarf codex, it seems like gw is rushing 5th Edition along. I wouldn't be surprised to see Necrons segue into 6th, though it seems like Chaos Marines are usually the first or last codex to be released with every new edition.
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Post by: Crimson Devil
I was really looking forward to new Necrons, but with the recent GW shenanigans I will be selling them now. I find myself hoping the codex sucks, so I won't be tempted.
Oh well. Good luck with it fellas.
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Post by: KarlPedder
EYEofTERROR wrote:Seriously though, when are we going to see the release of another Space Marines dex?
Your trolling right?!
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Post by: angelshade00
Kurgash wrote:EYEofTERROR wrote:I doubt that Necrons will be released anytime this year. Seems like it would steal the thunder from DE. If the release of a new Necron dex will be anything comparable to DE, then I would imagine they would release it in November with a splash release in February. Just like the Dark Eldar. Then they could ride the hype of an all new and spectacular army all year. This is the year of DE, where everyone wanted or bought into Dark Eldar and new releases came out over and over while the hype was still high. Next year will be Necrons.
Seriously though, when are we going to see the release of another Space Marines dex?
With SoB being released as a white dwarf codex, it seems like gw is rushing 5th Edition along. I wouldn't be surprised to see Necrons segue into 6th, though it seems like Chaos Marines are usually the first or last codex to be released with every new edition.
Thank you so much! 
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Post by: cyberscape7
Kurgash wrote:EYEofTERROR wrote:I doubt that Necrons will be released anytime this year. Seems like it would steal the thunder from DE. If the release of a new Necron dex will be anything comparable to DE, then I would imagine they would release it in November with a splash release in February. Just like the Dark Eldar. Then they could ride the hype of an all new and spectacular army all year. This is the year of DE, where everyone wanted or bought into Dark Eldar and new releases came out over and over while the hype was still high. Next year will be Necrons.
Seriously though, when are we going to see the release of another Space Marines dex?
With SoB being released as a white dwarf codex, it seems like gw is rushing 5th Edition along. I wouldn't be surprised to see Necrons segue into 6th, though it seems like Chaos Marines are usually the first or last codex to be released with every new edition.
E.P.I.C. ... On a side note @EYEofTERROR I'm pretty sure that GK already stole the DE thunder when they went all Psyrifles...
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Post by: Anpu-adom
Sergeant Horse wrote:I tried to order necron warriors last week and was told they were discontinued.
Nothing that those who roam this forum haven't heard about a dozen times. If you do have new details, you need to come with more of those details.
Who were you ordering from? FLGS? Battle Bunker? GW-online?
What were you ordering? Metals? The only place you can order metals currently is direct from GW, and even they have a few that aren't available anymore.
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Post by: 0Corpse_Eater0
God damn I'm tired of waiting... I hope the Necrons don't go the way of the Squats...
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Post by: Kirasu
The only way necrons would go the way of squats is if they were short, hairy and simply a parody of a bunch of drunk bikers
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Post by: Ascalam
Necrons are tall, bony parodies of a certain movie starring the governor of Cali instead :0)
COMPLETELY different, so not to worry..
I don't see them Squatting them, given the 'what about squats' grief they STILL get years and years on...
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Post by: Brother SRM
Sergeant Horse wrote:I tried to order necron warriors last week and was told they were discontinued.
You can still order them off GW's website.
E:
0Corpse_Eater0 wrote:God damn I'm tired of waiting... I hope the Necrons don't go the way of the Squats...
I don't see why anyone thinks this ever about any army.
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Post by: omerakk
The Grog wrote:Sigh.
Old Wraiths, 6 on charge: 24 attacks, 12 hits, 10 wounds. 3.33 casualties on MEQ, 1.66 on TEQ, 6.66 on GEQ.
New Wraiths, 6 on charge: 18 attacks, 9 hits, 6 wounds + 1.5 rends. 3.5 casualties on MEQ, 2 on TEQ, 5.5 on GEQ.
Old Wraiths, 6: 18 attacks, 9 hits, 7.5 wound. 2.5 casualties on MEQ, 1.25 on TEQ, 5 on GEQ.
New Wraiths, 6: 12 attacks, 6 hits, 4 wounds + 1 rend. 2.33 casualties on MEQ, 1.33 on TEQ, 3.66 on GEQ.
I hope that extra wound turns out to be awesome, because they lost combat power against everything squishier than a Marine.
EDIT: Usual shorthand butchery of statistical rules apply.
2 wounds, a greater ability to take out vehicles, whips to go first in the open or symo in cover, wounds shenanigans, possible shooting attacks, no trouble moving in cover, and you can take more than 3 in a squad now which when you combine with the decreased cost of warriors, makes the price for a larger squad almost = the old 3 man squad.
You forgot to factor that stuff in.
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Post by: The Grog
Wraiths never had problems moving in cover, ignore the effects of cover when charging, the shooting attacks and the wound allocation differences come with 10+ point price tags, and the number of vehicles that get hit in melee at armor 12 or 13 are miniscule ...
I'd say that no, I didn't forget to factor that in.
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Post by: FalkorsRaiders
Ascalam wrote:Necrons are tall, bony parodies of a certain movie starring the governor of Cali instead :0)
I don't know if many know this, but the Governator is getting a cartoon show. Just thought I'd let people know.
Back on track-
I've never really used wraiths too much, mostly because I only own 2, and metal models hate me, and it took me hours to get the top half and bottom half to stay connected... My point is, from what I read, they wee useful as a pack, 3 squads of 3, and weren't used otherwise. With the max amount seeming to be 6 in a squad, for about 40 points, I wonder if that will change or not. Of course, with the rumors about scarab's being amazing, I think the wraith wing won't be changed.
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Post by: davethepak
H.B.M.C. wrote:Of course they've been discontinued. They're about to be repackaged with half the models for 2/3rds the price.
Don't be silly.
I will be half the models for 4/3rds the price....
and we will still buy them....the shame.
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Post by: Sergeant Horse
Anpu-adom wrote:Sergeant Horse wrote:I tried to order necron warriors last week and was told they were discontinued.
Nothing that those who roam this forum haven't heard about a dozen times. If you do have new details, you need to come with more of those details.
Who were you ordering from? FLGS? Battle Bunker? GW-online?
What were you ordering? Metals? The only place you can order metals currently is direct from GW, and even they have a few that aren't available anymore.
I was ordering them from my trade rep to stock the shelves. Plastic warriors
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Post by: omerakk
The Grog wrote:Wraiths never had problems moving in cover, ignore the effects of cover when charging, the shooting attacks and the wound allocation differences come with 10+ point price tags, and the number of vehicles that get hit in melee at armor 12 or 13 are miniscule ...
I'd say that no, I didn't forget to factor that in.
So you don't think paying for the extra abilities is worth it, ever?
And larger squads isn't a good thing?
And miniscule?
Guess you haven't been bumping into those gk dreadnought spam lists yet; or a vulcan list with spam dread support.
Personally, I think wraiths being able to actually kill those things now so I don't have to always direct shooting at them, a plus.
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Post by: Dr. Temujin
Kurgash wrote:EYEofTERROR wrote:I doubt that Necrons will be released anytime this year. Seems like it would steal the thunder from DE. If the release of a new Necron dex will be anything comparable to DE, then I would imagine they would release it in November with a splash release in February. Just like the Dark Eldar. Then they could ride the hype of an all new and spectacular army all year. This is the year of DE, where everyone wanted or bought into Dark Eldar and new releases came out over and over while the hype was still high. Next year will be Necrons.
Seriously though, when are we going to see the release of another Space Marines dex?
With SoB being released as a white dwarf codex, it seems like gw is rushing 5th Edition along. I wouldn't be surprised to see Necrons segue into 6th, though it seems like Chaos Marines are usually the first or last codex to be released with every new edition.
Thank you. Thank you so much.
November release??? Really? After all that hype about August?
Thank you, but no sir. While I respect that SoB are in need of a crucial update, and the Sanctuary 101 game sounds great, I simply can't wait for Necrons to be released in November. Can barely wait for August as it is!
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Post by: voryn15
EYEofTERROR wrote:
Seriously though, when are we going to see the release of another Space Marines dex?
Please tell me thats not a serious question.
Edit: Hey look who forgot to read the next page....... 
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Post by: King of chaos
bring on the necrons!!
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Post by: FalkorsRaiders
GW - "Not until we update SoB. Hey, at least you can be comfortable and know your codex is the last codex geared solely towards 5th edition rules, but Necrons won't be that great in 5th since we're working on 6th and will gear the next few codexes towards those rules, but Necrons won't be great in 6th either...."
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Post by: RutgerMan
FalkorsRaiders wrote:GW - "Not until we update SoB. Hey, at least you can be comfortable and know your codex is the last codex geared solely towards 5th edition rules, but Necrons won't be that great in 5th since we're working on 6th and will gear the next few codexes towards those rules, but Necrons won't be great in 6th either...."
that's just stupid of GW XD
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Post by: Anpu-adom
Rumors are saying that GK was written with 6th in mind, and Necrons, SoB's and Tau won't 'be left behind' if they come out before 6th either.
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Post by: catharsix
Anpu-adom wrote:Rumors are saying that GK was written with 6th in mind, and Necrons, SoB's and Tau won't 'be left behind' if they come out before 6th either.
how do the GK rules work with the alleged 6th ed. rules floating around from BoK? i'd like to hear that they suggest that the rumors are unfounded wish-listing and nonsense, because they seem ridiculous and cumbersome.
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Post by: cyberscape7
RutgerMan wrote:FalkorsRaiders wrote:GW - "Not until we update SoB. Hey, at least you can be comfortable and know your codex is the last codex geared solely towards 5th edition rules, but Necrons won't be that great in 5th since we're working on 6th and will gear the next few codexes towards those rules, but Necrons won't be great in 6th either...."
that's just stupid of GW XD
In this day and age, what isn't?
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Post by: RutgerMan
cyberscape7 wrote:RutgerMan wrote:FalkorsRaiders wrote:GW - "Not until we update SoB. Hey, at least you can be comfortable and know your codex is the last codex geared solely towards 5th edition rules, but Necrons won't be that great in 5th since we're working on 6th and will gear the next few codexes towards those rules, but Necrons won't be great in 6th either...."
that's just stupid of GW XD
In this day and age, what isn't?
Now that's even a rumor I support completely XD
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Post by: nidsrule
I hope they're coming soon. I just can't wait any longer. I just want to get my hands on a brand new necron codex and some cool new models.
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Post by: Kroothawk
New information by Captain Ventris over at Warseer:
Sisters will be getting a standard book, but it will certainly be coming well after the Necron book. Talked to my source this last weekend. The WD codex for sisters is simply a holdover till 6th ed. for now. Also its apparently a "filler" codex because the necron book and models were delayed in
Production and wouldn't get released till november (this was apparently decided 6 months ago). The WD sisters codex was rushed btw and wasn't thoroughly playtested... Two waves of Necrons are supposed to be released the weekends of Nov. 12 and Dec. 3rd. What models will be in what release is still being discussed, obviously the codex is in the first wave, but he also mentioned that warriors were getting re-cut with the scarabs removed and options added in their place. Scarab swarms are apparently going to a multi-part finecast kit that is more dynamicly posed than just scarabs hovering in place (I'd already done something similar where my scarabs are actuallt bursting from the ground)
Also on an off-topic note, some minor waves are supposed to be released for various armies with 6th ed. One of note that he mentioned was a new eldar jetbike kit with parts to make either 3 guardian jetbikes or 3 Shining Spears.
Take with whatever salt you feel is necessary.
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Post by: Nagashek
Kroothawk wrote:New information by Captain Ventris over at Warseer:
Sisters will be getting a standard book, but it will certainly be coming well after the Necron book. Talked to my source this last weekend. The WD codex for sisters is simply a holdover till 6th ed. for now. Also its apparently a "filler" codex because the necron book and models were delayed in
Production and wouldn't get released till november (this was apparently decided 6 months ago). The WD sisters codex was rushed btw and wasn't thoroughly playtested... Two waves of Necrons are supposed to be released the weekends of Nov. 12 and Dec. 3rd. What models will be in what release is still being discussed, obviously the codex is in the first wave, but he also mentioned that warriors were getting re-cut with the scarabs removed and options added in their place. Scarab swarms are apparently going to a multi-part finecast kit that is more dynamicly posed than just scarabs hovering in place (I'd already done something similar where my scarabs are actuallt bursting from the ground)
Also on an off-topic note, some minor waves are supposed to be released for various armies with 6th ed. One of note that he mentioned was a new eldar jetbike kit with parts to make either 3 guardian jetbikes or 3 Shining Spears.
Take with whatever salt you feel is necessary.
Even if the bold is a guess and purely made up, it sounds more than reasonable, as it reflects what we think GW has been doing for YEARS.
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Post by: cyberscape7
Kroothawk wrote:New information by Captain Ventris over at Warseer:
Sisters will be getting a standard book, but it will certainly be coming well after the Necron book. Talked to my source this last weekend. The WD codex for sisters is simply a holdover till 6th ed. for now. Also its apparently a "filler" codex because the necron book and models were delayed in
Production and wouldn't get released till november (this was apparently decided 6 months ago). The WD sisters codex was rushed btw and wasn't thoroughly playtested... Two waves of Necrons are supposed to be released the weekends of Nov. 12 and Dec. 3rd. What models will be in what release is still being discussed, obviously the codex is in the first wave, but he also mentioned that warriors were getting re-cut with the scarabs removed and options added in their place. Scarab swarms are apparently going to a multi-part finecast kit that is more dynamicly posed than just scarabs hovering in place (I'd already done something similar where my scarabs are actuallt bursting from the ground)
Also on an off-topic note, some minor waves are supposed to be released for various armies with 6th ed. One of note that he mentioned was a new eldar jetbike kit with parts to make either 3 guardian jetbikes or 3 Shining Spears.
Take with whatever salt you feel is necessary.
Only one thing makes me happier thats in this post. It will be possible for me to actually build some guardian jetbikes!!! XD
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Post by: SK5556838528
Hello,
I've just seen a plastic Necron Spyder sprue.
Accidentally caught a glimpse, don't want to say where because I'm still there, but it should be obvious.
Quick details:
Definitely larger; probably closer to a rhino size (in terms of volume)
More elegant design (limbs), but clearly a Spyder. I think I saw some scarabs, not sure.
I saw claw parts and what was either a gun or something that looks a lot like one. Could have been an under-spine or something.
90% sure that's what I saw.
(Yeah, ok, first poster, salt, whatever)
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Post by: Ctan_Overlord
That is very interesting, I like the sound of the spyder being bigger but also more elegant, I hope this points to a release soon.
Did you manage to see anything else there or is that it?
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Post by: Sasori
Kroothawk wrote:New information by Captain Ventris over at Warseer:
Sisters will be getting a standard book, but it will certainly be coming well after the Necron book. Talked to my source this last weekend. The WD codex for sisters is simply a holdover till 6th ed. for now. Also its apparently a "filler" codex because the necron book and models were delayed in
Production and wouldn't get released till november (this was apparently decided 6 months ago). The WD sisters codex was rushed btw and wasn't thoroughly playtested... Two waves of Necrons are supposed to be released the weekends of Nov. 12 and Dec. 3rd. What models will be in what release is still being discussed, obviously the codex is in the first wave, but he also mentioned that warriors were getting re-cut with the scarabs removed and options added in their place. Scarab swarms are apparently going to a multi-part finecast kit that is more dynamicly posed than just scarabs hovering in place (I'd already done something similar where my scarabs are actuallt bursting from the ground)
Also on an off-topic note, some minor waves are supposed to be released for various armies with 6th ed. One of note that he mentioned was a new eldar jetbike kit with parts to make either 3 guardian jetbikes or 3 Shining Spears.
Take with whatever salt you feel is necessary.
I Don't want to get my hopes up again, but I sure hope so....
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Post by: cyberscape7
SK5556838528 wrote:Hello,
I've just seen a plastic Necron Spyder sprue.
Accidentally caught a glimpse, don't want to say where because I'm still there, but it should be obvious.
Quick details:
Definitely larger; probably closer to a rhino size (in terms of volume)
More elegant design (limbs), but clearly a Spyder. I think I saw some scarabs, not sure.
I saw claw parts and what was either a gun or something that looks a lot like one. Could have been an under-spine or something.
90% sure that's what I saw.
(Yeah, ok, first poster, salt, whatever)
Woah, this is unbelievable! Its a new rumour!!! 
Seriously tho, if this is true, I'm a happy little necron But, as you said, I'm gonna take this with a healthy dose of salt...
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Post by: Kurgash
I had always wanted my Spyders to be the size of Rhinos as clearly a monstrous creature isn't really something where a space marine is as tall as it.
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Post by: FalkorsRaiders
Well, if the spyder is the same size as a rhino, it means all the spyders i own won't be usable anymore. well, I guess if they aren't worth it, such as other necron vehicles and such being better to use than the spyder, i won't be as mad.
Just a thought about necrons being used in 6th edition:T
With current rumors, vehicles and units can move X inches (0, 6, 12, and 18). Now if the rumored Necron transport vehicles aren't actually transports, but portals like the monolith, Necrons would be quite formidable. At the beginning of your turn, a Necron warrior squad could be teleported to a portal 18 inches away if neither moved, and then maybe walk 6 inches if the rules allow moving at x1 speed since the warriors had not moved other than the portal moving them. This could mean the warriors would be moved 24 inches in the turn, and thats not allowing them to move at x2 speed like the rumors talk about. This little trick could be useful for shooting away while avoiding close combat. I doubt this will be true, but I can wish for it, right?
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Post by: Ascalam
There's no rule invalidating old models, as long as there is a codex entry for the model still.
A lot of tournament folks run the tonkatoy sized rhinos to ( ab)use the cover as much as possible, for example.
I'm keeping my 6, but i'll buy 3 new ones
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Post by: FalkorsRaiders
Ascalam wrote:There's no rule invalidating old models, as long as there is a codex entry for the model still.
A lot of tournament folks run the tonkatoy sized rhinos to ( ab)use the cover as much as possible, for example.
I'm keeping my 6, but i'll buy 3 new ones
Good. I bet the new spyder will be worth it in the end, but I'd like to be able to use the models I currently own.
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Post by: Anpu-adom
I'm curious if GW is doing any digital scanning and production. Thought goes like this:
Sculpt your model 50% bigger so you get more detail.
Do a 3d scan of the model, and reduce the size in the computer.
Use 3d printing or a 6-axis CNC machine to produce your 'high def' model your final size, which is your basis for the molds.
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Post by: MightyGodzilla
Anpu-adom wrote:I'm curious if GW is doing any digital scanning and production. Thought goes like this:
Sculpt your model 50% bigger so you get more detail.
Do a 3d scan of the model, and reduce the size in the computer.
Use 3d printing or a 6-axis CNC machine to produce your 'high def' model your final size, which is your basis for the molds.
Yes I believe that's what they do for a lot of the models in the plastic range. If I'm not mistaken that's what GW refers to as a "3 Up". I know I've seen pictures of sculptors working with very large models in some of the magazine spreads.
-MightyG
PPS -To whomever mentioned that new Eldar Bike kit with the option of 3 Shining Spears or 3 Guardian jetbikes....I've been waiting for that for soooo long. A few years back I saw a Jes Goodwin sculpt of a prototype Guardian jetbike - Ricerocket Style. Man I've been waiting for years for that thing to actually come out. I'd totally go Windrider after that. I hates me the "Cruiser" bikes with the oldschool riders.
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Post by: dancingcricket
I'm alright with the idea of scarabs coming somewhere besides on the warrior sprue, particularly if they're going to get significantly boosted, and a lot more desireable. But I don't really like the idea of them becoming finecast. Just too costly, particularly if they're going to be as useful as rumored. Luckily I already have 30 of the current ones...
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Post by: Happygrunt
Actually, Necrons and Sisters in the same month would be cool and make some sense, as they could easily tie it in with Sanctuary 101.
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Post by: MadCowCrazy
Happygrunt wrote:Actually, Necrons and Sisters in the same month would be cool and make some sense , as they could easily tie it in with Sanctuary 101.
Sorry to burst your bubble but it's GW we are talking about...
It would have been great to get a Sisters vs Necron starter box for 6E but it will be another SM box.
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Post by: Anpu-adom
MadCowCrazy wrote:Happygrunt wrote:Actually, Necrons and Sisters in the same month would be cool and make some sense , as they could easily tie it in with Sanctuary 101.
Sorry to burst your bubble but it's GW we are talking about...
It would have been great to get a Sisters vs Necron starter box for 6E but it will be another SM box.
I think that he's hoping for a Space Hulk type of game release in September. Besides, the rumors are that it won't be Ultramarines in the 6e starter fluff (or Xenos either for that matter).
MightyGodzilla wrote:Anpu-adom wrote:I'm curious if GW is doing any digital scanning and production. Thought goes like this:
Sculpt your model 50% bigger so you get more detail.
Do a 3d scan of the model, and reduce the size in the computer.
Use 3d printing or a 6-axis CNC machine to produce your 'high def' model your final size, which is your basis for the molds.
Yes I believe that's what they do for a lot of the models in the plastic range. If I'm not mistaken that's what GW refers to as a "3 Up". I know I've seen pictures of sculptors working with very large models in some of the magazine spreads.
-MightyG
I thought that might be how things work! Sadly, no tank sized Tomb Spyders. Shucks.
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Post by: MadCowCrazy
Anpu-adom wrote:
I think that he's hoping for a Space Hulk type of game release in September. Besides, the rumors are that it won't be Ultramarines in the 6e starter fluff (or Xenos either for that matter).
The 6E starter set will be Black Templars and the new Chaos Legions codex. Rumours say you might be able to buy them separately, so that it's basically a battleforce with the rulebook in it as well. This is just a rumour but the starter armies are pretty much set in stone. Apply salt as needed...
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Post by: BrassScorpion
40K fans, Necrons are now becoming somewhat difficult to get except off the GW website and they are not apparently being restocked even in GW's own retail stores now. That's always a good indication of an imminent re-release.
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Post by: Ascalam
Works for me
ENOUGH waiting already. 65 million years is long enough
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Post by: BrassScorpion
Watch Tomb Of The Cybermen to tide you over till the Necrons reappear.
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Post by: Ascalam
I can't.
Some spod with a bag of gold dust and an umbrella destroyed my last tape
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Post by: FalkorsRaiders
New from Blood of Kittens-
Blood of Kittens wrote:
So here we are. The final Random Unit Review. Where shall I go after this? What will make people quit whining? Will I ever see the irony in my complaining about complainers? Will the Joker be able to thwart Batman’s evil plan? What? That’s different here? feth.
Oh, before I go to deep into Necron milling… I want to chat about the 6th Edition and Hrud rumors. Now, I’m not one to call people bald face liars (except when I do that exact thing all the time). But those rumors would represent a significant departure from my own timeline. I’m not saying that the people spreading those rumors should look into asbestos pants, I’m just saying that unless your world shifts a lot from my own… they are just making gak up. Wildly inaccurate wishlisting… that’s what it would be on the REAL Earth. Anything that is right would be pure luck. But hey, I’m not from YOUR future. So things could be correct. I just wouldn’t know.
Ok, so Necron Heavy Support. That’s what you are here to learn about. Rolling the d10 and divide by 2. Ooh, a 9… so that’s…4.5. Round down right? That’s what we do. So 4! The French Breakfast Bread! This will be a quick one!
Like a Rhino on all sides, this vehicles is ready for even the most trying of circumstances. Made of the same material as the big pyramid, this bird can still move as fast as a razorwing! It’s two weapons make for a quick delivery of damage as it swoops down on the fleshy fleshy prey. While the main gun may be limited to pistol ranges, it more than makes it up for in oomph, rocking it at maximum strength and allowing none of those pesky armor saves (a big help against enemy vehicles too!).
But wait… there is more! Act now and you’ll also be able to fire all your weapons while cruising around the battlefield. All your weapons? Yes! Even the troop crushing destruct-o-magics! Once you’re taking fire from bolters, these would make even Edison blush, as they give autocannons are run for their money, even if they can’t even break an Orks leather. With a rate of fire comparable to the assault cannon, these weapons can hit multiple units, ruining all those multiple small units days.
So act now, and you too can make a parking lot look like a junkyard!
So there you have it! Some random Necron Units. I hope you have enjoyed this bit of trans-dimensional speculation (I know some of me has). As the PDS starts to subside from anything I might have changed, I’ll come back with a bit more.
Looks like this may be the Necrons' equivalent to a flyer?
It looks like the vehicle is 11-11-10, its a fast skimmer, has a 12" gun with STR 10 AP 1, and a gun that is like the gauss flux arc with STR 7 AP -. It has living metal, which is suppose to be upgraded towards the better, and with the rumor of the field that raises the armor by 2 until the first glance/penetrate, that will make it 13-13-12. Hows the new vehicle sound?
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Post by: samrtk
FalkorsRaiders wrote:New from Blood of Kittens-
Blood of Kittens wrote:
So here we are. The final Random Unit Review. Where shall I go after this? What will make people quit whining? Will I ever see the irony in my complaining about complainers? Will the Joker be able to thwart Batman’s evil plan? What? That’s different here? feth.
Oh, before I go to deep into Necron milling… I want to chat about the 6th Edition and Hrud rumors. Now, I’m not one to call people bald face liars (except when I do that exact thing all the time). But those rumors would represent a significant departure from my own timeline. I’m not saying that the people spreading those rumors should look into asbestos pants, I’m just saying that unless your world shifts a lot from my own… they are just making gak up. Wildly inaccurate wishlisting… that’s what it would be on the REAL Earth. Anything that is right would be pure luck. But hey, I’m not from YOUR future. So things could be correct. I just wouldn’t know.
Ok, so Necron Heavy Support. That’s what you are here to learn about. Rolling the d10 and divide by 2. Ooh, a 9… so that’s…4.5. Round down right? That’s what we do. So 4! The French Breakfast Bread! This will be a quick one!
Like a Rhino on all sides, this vehicles is ready for even the most trying of circumstances. Made of the same material as the big pyramid, this bird can still move as fast as a razorwing! It’s two weapons make for a quick delivery of damage as it swoops down on the fleshy fleshy prey. While the main gun may be limited to pistol ranges, it more than makes it up for in oomph, rocking it at maximum strength and allowing none of those pesky armor saves (a big help against enemy vehicles too!).
But wait… there is more! Act now and you’ll also be able to fire all your weapons while cruising around the battlefield. All your weapons? Yes! Even the troop crushing destruct-o-magics! Once you’re taking fire from bolters, these would make even Edison blush, as they give autocannons are run for their money, even if they can’t even break an Orks leather. With a rate of fire comparable to the assault cannon, these weapons can hit multiple units, ruining all those multiple small units days.
So act now, and you too can make a parking lot look like a junkyard!
So there you have it! Some random Necron Units. I hope you have enjoyed this bit of trans-dimensional speculation (I know some of me has). As the PDS starts to subside from anything I might have changed, I’ll come back with a bit more.
Looks like this may be the Necrons' equivalent to a flyer?
It looks like the vehicle is 11-11-10, its a fast skimmer, has a 12" gun with STR 10 AP 1, and a gun that is like the gauss flux arc with STR 7 AP -. It has living metal, which is suppose to be upgraded towards the better, and with the rumor of the field that raises the armor by 2 until the first glance/penetrate, that will make it 13-13-12. Hows the new vehicle sound?
Seems like a bad joke to me.
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Post by: BrassScorpion
Isn't everything about BoK, including the name of the site, a bad joke?
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Post by: Brother SRM
BrassScorpion wrote:Isn't everything about BoK, including the name of the site, a bad joke?
So far they were pretty solid on the GK rumors, but not 100%. That's all they've talked about that's come true yet though, as most of their rumors are a bit further out in the future.
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Post by: happygolucky
Kurgash wrote:EYEofTERROR wrote:I doubt that Necrons will be released anytime this year. Seems like it would steal the thunder from DE. If the release of a new Necron dex will be anything comparable to DE, then I would imagine they would release it in November with a splash release in February. Just like the Dark Eldar. Then they could ride the hype of an all new and spectacular army all year. This is the year of DE, where everyone wanted or bought into Dark Eldar and new releases came out over and over while the hype was still high. Next year will be Necrons.
Seriously though, when are we going to see the release of another Space Marines dex?
With SoB being released as a white dwarf codex, it seems like gw is rushing 5th Edition along. I wouldn't be surprised to see Necrons segue into 6th, though it seems like Chaos Marines are usually the first or last codex to be released with every new edition.
This is awesome
seriously though i want robin to write the new dex and not mat ward (not a hater just dont want another overpowered codex with little fluff or blood angles team-up). Automatically Appended Next Post: davethepak wrote:H.B.M.C. wrote:Of course they've been discontinued. They're about to be repackaged with half the models for 2/3rds the price.
Don't be silly.
I will be half the models for 4/3rds the price....
and we will still buy them....the shame.
unless you buy them from an FLGS
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Post by: kitch102
I'm gonna hazard a guess at September for the 'crons - SoB WD 'dex next month, big release the month after for 'crons, some new models for SoB with a massive focus on the crons and a nice tasty battle report.
I'm just basing this on the theory that they can't release anything for a low popularity army (SoB) without having a quick follow up on their nemesis's's's's's'ses.
Just a guess, probably not even worth putting out there but I wanted my 10 pence worth.
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Post by: Pen≥Sword
cyberscape7 wrote:Praxiss wrote:I'm going to try and avoid getting my hopes up until i see a Necron on the cover of WD.
Even then, I think you should avoid keeping your hopes up
This reminded me of when DE were getting a new codex after the Incoming announcement and people say, "Well it didn't say anything about a codex..."
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Post by: Ctan_Overlord
I definatly expect to see the Necrons before November and possibly before October seeing as there are absolutely no Necrons in any stores and if they left it like that for long GW would loss money and we all know how GW is when it comes to money
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Post by: Your Friend Doctor Robert
My FLGS owner says he's been told to clear shelf space for new Necron shipments by August.
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Post by: Samus_aran115
EYEofTERROR wrote:I doubt that Necrons will be released anytime this year. Seems like it would steal the thunder from DE. If the release of a new Necron dex will be anything comparable to DE, then I would imagine they would release it in November with a splash release in February. Just like the Dark Eldar. Then they could ride the hype of an all new and spectacular army all year. This is the year of DE, where everyone wanted or bought into Dark Eldar and new releases came out over and over while the hype was still high. Next year will be Necrons.
Seriously though, when are we going to see the release of another Space Marines dex?
With SoB being released as a white dwarf codex, it seems like gw is rushing 5th Edition along. I wouldn't be surprised to see Necrons segue into 6th, though it seems like Chaos Marines are usually the first or last codex to be released with every new edition.
DE were released LAST year. Not this year. There's nothing to take away from. Have you even been reading the thread? Basically everything is confirmed, including the fact that the warriors are discontinued, which should be a dead giveaway.
Why the  do you actually want another SM codex? We've gotten SW, BA and GK in the last couple years, and the faqs have made DA and BT playable again, so there's no immediate need for any new codexes.
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Post by: Wakshaani
My *guess* would be:
Necrons rolling out in November and trailing into December (Time for Xmas!)
GW releases the Sisters codex in Feb online, rather than a full book, unless demand spikes. The handful of plastic kit sales will be closely watched to see if there's a demand for a full codex or not.
Tau Empire roll out in April or May, featuring a few new kits (Broadsides redone Forgeworld-style, new Crisis Suit poses, and ankles that don't snap.)
6th ed in Summer.
Chaos gets the November release of next year.
6th ed box will likely feature Chaos as one half, the other half is trickier ... but for some reason, my gut tells me Imperial Guard. The Guard are moneymaking machines, and while all the other editions have had Good Guy Marines vs Bad Guy Xenos, flipping it to Bad Guy Marines vs good guy squishies both makes sense and keeps a balance in the world. It also seduces people into making Guard armies which, natch, are mad fat bank for GW.
Everybody wins!
The usual look of a (Chaos) Captain, a special unit, and ten guys, vs 20 squishies, a small elite unit, and a command still works (Guard would get, say, three heavy weapon teams and a Lord Commisar, plus twenty Guardsmen. That's not quite as much as Assault on Black Reach's Orks, but close.)
Again, no rumors, no proof, no evidence, just me and my gut.
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Post by: ChaosxVoid
It would be nice to see crons and sob i want my warrior women and my quiet shiny automatons back as both my armies have been collecting dust for a number of years.
But alas one can only hope GW will listen to the people that buy their products (insert sarcastic joke here)
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Post by: Sasori
Anyone have an Idea what he means by "French Breakfast bread" in his post about the new Vehicle? I assume it is a hint toward the name, but I'm drawing a complete blank.
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Post by: Sabet
maybe the shape?
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Post by: cyberscape7
"Fear my fearsome Croissant!"
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Post by: Ascalam
Look at the BFG ships.
Necron ships have a crescent (croissant = cresent) shape.
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Post by: Medium of Death
Oh ho ho, a croissant!
That makes more sense than the baguette I was imaging...
Obviously not the scale, but probably the shape.
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Post by: Ascalam
Baguette would be the Lunch Bread superheavy
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Post by: Miraclefish
I think a Pain au Chocolat would be slightly more appropriate. Or a Profiterole Monolith perhaps...
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Post by: I-bounty-hunt-the-elderly
Mmmmmm, brioche . . .
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Post by: angelshade00
This thread is getting out of hand... 
And the title is of course not valid anymore... Let's hope September will be the month for our quiet friends to rise again...
Nice break though, even though it's past breakfast time...
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Post by: Alpharius
I'm thinking the same thing.
That this one should be closed just about now...
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Post by: Medium of Death
B-B-But it's gotten so delicious...
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Post by: l0k1
I don't think this thread was bread for this 
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Post by: nosferatu1001
October at the earliest, given that August and September WD are SOB
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Post by: reds8n
.. and then September could have a nice preview at GD UK perhaps ..?
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Post by: nosferatu1001
You assume that GW would preview anything at GD? On recent performance...not a hope.
More likely they'll have 3ups of DE models we can already buy, the odd 3up of a nice looking firewarrior / other race not seen for a while, and "arent sisters of battle amazing!" posters.
Cynical, moi?
Still debating whether to go. Whn you're mainly going for the cool FW mini its an expensive day!
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Post by: -Loki-
happygolucky wrote:This is awesome
seriously though i want robin to write the new dex and not mat ward (not a hater just dont want another overpowered codex with little fluff or blood angles team-up).
So you want a terrible army list with hardly any decent options, suffering from 'buy our shiny new plastic kit' syndrome and a lot of abysmal fluff?
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Post by: SkaerKrow
-Loki- wrote:So you want a terrible army list with hardly any decent options, suffering from 'buy our shiny new plastic kit' syndrome and a lot of abysmal fluff?
Or he wants a top tier army with more options than you can shake a stick at, supported by some pretty decent flavor text (Crudance also wrote the IG 'Dex, IIRC ).
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Post by: Ascalam
That would be because Cruddace plays what army...
Oh yeah, Guard!
I wondered how they got the uber treatment normally reserved for Marines....
Now take a look at Codex Tyranids, Armybook Tomb Kings, Armybook Beastmen ( IIRC) ...
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Post by: SkaerKrow
Crudance didn't write the Beastmen book (Phil Kelly and Andy Hoare did), and there's nothing wrong with the Tomb King book. Arguably there isn't as much wrong with the Tyranid book as the internet would have you believe.
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Post by: DarkStarSabre
SkaerKrow wrote: Arguably there isn't as much wrong with the Tyranid book as the internet would have you believe.
Except for the blatantly improved 'new' release units - Trygons and Hive Guard in particular. Gargoyles were significantly improved from their previous version as well. Venomthropes are rather tasty as well and heaven help us if they release a model for Mycetic Spores or Tervigons.
The only thing that didn't seem to fit this pattern is the Pyrovore which, to be frank is the most questionable option in the Elites section. Hive Guard? Amazing. Zoanthropes? Amazing. Doom of Malantai? Quite amazing. Lictors? Eh....at least they're not Pyrovores.
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Post by: Ascalam
Carnifex x 3 cost, reduced stats, reduced options...
Can't join a Special character to pod riders..
The Doom is ok, not Amazing. He rarely lasts a single round after podding in.
Spore mines..
Broodlord becomes a sergeant (but at least now he can keep up with his unit ) instead of a badass..
Near total lack of decent ranged anti-tank in a Mech meta...
And then that feth-filled FAQ ...
Yeah, nothing wrong with the nid book at all..
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Post by: cyberscape7
Announcment to Games Workshop-
Give us info about the new necrons so that this thread can return to being about necrons, as opposed to what is good in the nid dex.
With that being said; nid warriors without EW; WTF?
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Post by: Theduke07
SkaerKrow wrote:Crudance didn't write the Beastmen book (Phil Kelly and Andy Hoare did), and there's nothing wrong with the Tomb King book. Arguably there isn't as much wrong with the Tyranid book as the internet would have you believe.
Get serious. Nid book has serious internal balance issues and a lot of just plain "why even take these" units. You don't need a blog to see that. Nids had no reason to get such a bland book because Cruddace had a knee jerk reaction to his underpriced IG book.
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Post by: -Loki-
Ascalam wrote:Broodlord becomes a sergeant (but at least now he can keep up with his unit ) instead of a badass.
How did becoming a sergeant somehow make the Broodlord not a badass? He makes most armies CC HQ's weep. Being a sergeant rather than an IC is pretty beneficial too. The Tyranid codex has problems, the Broodlord isn't one of them.
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Post by: SkaerKrow
Theduke07 wrote:Get serious. Nid book has serious internal balance issues and a lot of just plain "why even take these" units. You don't need a blog to see that. Nids had no reason to get such a bland book because Cruddace had a knee jerk reaction to his underpriced IG book.
Name me a single book that doesn't have some internal balance issues, or "why even take these" units. Yeah, not holding my breath on that one. People are mad that the Nid book invalidated their Nidzilla armies. News flash, every non-Astartes codex does that, breaks down the dominant build so that established players have to buy new models. It's a GW thing, not a Crudance thing.
Also, this has nothing to do with Necrons.
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Post by: FalkorsRaiders
SkaerKrow wrote:Theduke07 wrote:Get serious. Nid book has serious internal balance issues and a lot of just plain "why even take these" units. You don't need a blog to see that. Nids had no reason to get such a bland book because Cruddace had a knee jerk reaction to his underpriced IG book.
Name me a single book that doesn't have some internal balance issues, or "why even take these" units. Yeah, not holding my breath on that one. People are mad that the Nid book invalidated their Nidzilla armies. News flash, every non-Astartes codex does that, breaks down the dominant build so that established players have to buy new models. It's a GW thing, not a Crudance thing.
Also, this has nothing to do with Necrons.
The new necron codex solves all those issues, and everything works well and is awesome. Whoops, that was the codex from a PERFECT WORLD. The codex we get in this world is like all the others...
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Post by: Pyriel-
Name me a single book that doesn't have some internal balance issues, or "why even take these" units.
+1
Still cant figure out why anyone would want to get psilencers...
Thats 33% of heavy/special weapon options in the codex being a total and pointless waste.
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Post by: Ascalam
-Loki- wrote:Ascalam wrote:Broodlord becomes a sergeant (but at least now he can keep up with his unit ) instead of a badass.
How did becoming a sergeant somehow make the Broodlord not a badass? He makes most armies CC HQ's weep. Being a sergeant rather than an IC is pretty beneficial too. The Tyranid codex has problems, the Broodlord isn't one of them.
Check his origiinal 4th ed stats and upgrades
He used to be practically a pint-sized demon prince with a powerweapon
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Post by: DarkStarSabre
SkaerKrow wrote:Name me a single book that doesn't have some internal balance issues, or "why even take these" units.
I've yet to see anything a blatantly useless as the Pyrovore. Really.
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Post by: nosferatu1001
Whereas now he can make the opponents daemon prince not make any attacks. Golden. Also, not being able to be picked out of combat helps hugely - and he can at last keep up, and sneak in with his brood.
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Post by: liquidjoshi
Back to the Necron codex, as this thread was meant for: If it's the same kind of thing as the DE codex (i.e. good balance of fluff and good rules, not necessarily the overpowered Fethpool that is codex SPESS MAHRHINES, but good enough to be a viable tournament army, you know the kind of thing I mean) But Necron'd, then I'll be happy.
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Post by: Brother SRM
liquidjoshi wrote:Back to the Necron codex, as this thread was meant for: If it's the same kind of thing as the DE codex (i.e. good balance of fluff and good rules, not necessarily the overpowered Fethpool that is codex SPESS MAHRHINES, but good enough to be a viable tournament army, you know the kind of thing I mean) But Necron'd, then I'll be happy.
Why do people think Codex: Space Marines is overpowered? This is one of the most uninformed and frankly stupid points that people bring up all the time. It's literally just hate because something is popular, not powerful. If you're getting your teeth kicked in by Codex: Space Marines on a regular basis, then you're probably just rolling really poorly. There is nothing the vanilla codex can do that other books can't do better. Marones have always been a middle-of-the-road army when it comes to tournaments and such, and the current codex is no exception.
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Post by: cyberscape7
Pyriel- wrote:Name me a single book that doesn't have some internal balance issues, or "why even take these" units.
+1
Still cant figure out why anyone would want to get psilencers...
Thats 33% of heavy/special weapon options in the codex being a total and pointless waste.
Well, keep in mind, it is 6 shots for a free weapon. Admittedly you have to give up a force weapon, but against things like the avatar of khaine!; psilencer becomes yummy
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Post by: SK5556838528
Further to my previous post RE; the Necron Tomb Spyder -
It was definitely a Tomb Spyder, on a plastic sprue in two parts (i.e. two sprues). I wasn't meant to see it, but I don't want to get the person responsible in trouble by saying the exact circumstances. Like I said, it should be obvious enough anyway. I caught enough of a glimpse to recognise individual parts.
I can't be entirely sure how the model fits together, but afterwards I went and had a look at the current metal Spyder, and I'm certain that the new one is substantially bigger just from the body bits. I think saying it was the same size as a rhino might err on the side of exaggeration, but imagine the volume rather than the mass of a rhino and that's what I'm picturing the bits would look like when constructed.
The limb parts are thinner/more slender, and I think longer unless they fit together in some way that I couldn't imagine when I saw them on the frames. The design of the individual pieces 'felt' different; slightly more elegant and lethal - but not so different that I couldn't immediately recognise what it was.
I'm certain I saw a gun, and there were some cool claw parts. There was also something else that I barely saw because I was just looking at the body sections.
Any questions, I'll be online for another few minutes.
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Post by: Kurgash
Did there happen to be what appears like a mortar launcher of sorts? As it was rumored Spyders were getting an artillery style weapon option.
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Post by: streamdragon
SkaerKrow wrote:Theduke07 wrote:Get serious. Nid book has serious internal balance issues and a lot of just plain "why even take these" units. You don't need a blog to see that. Nids had no reason to get such a bland book because Cruddace had a knee jerk reaction to his underpriced IG book.
Name me a single book that doesn't have some internal balance issues, or "why even take these" units. Yeah, not holding my breath on that one. People are mad that the Nid book invalidated their Nidzilla armies. News flash, every non-Astartes codex does that, breaks down the dominant build so that established players have to buy new models. It's a GW thing, not a Crudance thing.
Also, this has nothing to do with Necrons.
I didn't have a NidZilla army and I still hate the book. We went from plenty of adaptability options for our core to "do you want poison with that"? Our existing HS choices went from "Excellent" to "Go buy new models because they do everything better". Loss of eternal warrior for synapse creatures was excessive, especially for T4 warriors in a world of S8 krak/melta spam. Our "monsters" don't get invulnerable saves, lost out on armor saves (3+ armor carnifexes, for example), and have become generally underwhelming and overcosted. (E.g.: 180 point carnifexes that got stat-nerfed.) And elites? Lictors are basically a waste of points. They're not good at, well, anything. I get Ymarl genestealers now! Oh wait, they're basically the old genestealers but with a temporary bonus round to round instead of just keeping what I want to give them.
really though, all I should need to say is "Pyrovore".
Then we have the "support". No second wave, despite two (three?) entire armies being redone in the mean time.
Craptastical FAQ support including:
No, Tyranids can't join ICs to broods to use their "transport" like ... oh, every other army can.
Hive Commander, which you pay for, doesn't stack like the Eldar ability does.
No, Shadows in the Warp doesn't work on Psykers in vehicles.
I think we have the only buff in the game (Onslaught) that is also a psychic shooting attack. Used it? GG, you can't shoot or assault.
Frankly I feel like the reason we haven't seen a second wave for Nids is because even GW knows how badly the book got effed over. I'm really not sure how people can say it's good with a straight face.
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Post by: DarkStarSabre
streamdragon wrote:Then we have the "support". No second wave, despite two (three?) entire armies being redone in the mean time.
I think GW have gotten fed up of me posting 'So....Tyranids?' every time they announce a new Wave for every other army.
Seriously. DE I can understand as their entire range got completely stripped out and overhauled.
But GKs and Blood Angels getting second waves? Seriously?
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Post by: SK5556838528
Kurgash wrote:Did there happen to be what appears like a mortar launcher of sorts? As it was rumored Spyders were getting an artillery style weapon option.
There was certainly plenty on the sprue that I didn't get a good look at, and something big on one frame that I thought must be a gun. Is the artillery confirmed? I wish I'd known to look out for it!
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Post by: FalkorsRaiders
I'd like an artillery spyder, but the points/stats/abilities better be worth it.
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Post by: reds8n
Did it look as if there would be space/room for the glowing green/whatever colour rods to be used in it still ?
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Post by: carabine
Brother SRM wrote:liquidjoshi wrote:Back to the Necron codex, as this thread was meant for: If it's the same kind of thing as the DE codex (i.e. good balance of fluff and good rules, not necessarily the overpowered Fethpool that is codex SPESS MAHRHINES, but good enough to be a viable tournament army, you know the kind of thing I mean) But Necron'd, then I'll be happy.
Why do people think Codex: Space Marines is overpowered? This is one of the most uninformed and frankly stupid points that people bring up all the time. It's literally just hate because something is popular, not powerful. If you're getting your teeth kicked in by Codex: Space Marines on a regular basis, then you're probably just rolling really poorly. There is nothing the vanilla codex can do that other books can't do better. Marones have always been a middle-of-the-road army when it comes to tournaments and such, and the current codex is no exception.
Dude you're either trolling or in denial, I play vanilla marines, Wolves, Blood Angels and Grey knights. And while the major debates will wait for another thread even I think I'm overpowered here in all 4 armies. Marines were top of the list until wolves came into play.
Anyways, I'm hoping that necrons are going to give me a good run for my money, right now I keep having these nightmares where the game looses all it's xenos players because marines are overpowered and over released.
I'm looking forward to some great looking necron commanders to get released, I needs me some new trophies for bases too. Also dioramas look gakky when your opponent isn't as amazing as you are.
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Post by: Ascalam
Well said!
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Post by: nosferatu1001
Vanilla marines are waaay down the power list compared to SW or IG, or well run DE and GK. Way down.
When even DA are placing higher than SM in tournaments, you know a codex is mid tier at best.
On topic: hopefully we'll see something at GD UK, it would be an excellent way to showcase a revamped Necron. Its such a sensible idea that the likelihood of GW doing something like this approaches nil, sadly.
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Post by: Mr.Church13
I just love people saying that vanilla marines are overpowered. I guess you've never fought against the underpriced IG or the insane GK stuff. Vanilla marines are fine and not any more powerful than anything else out there.
Ok now back on topic.
Has anyone heard anything about that flyer that BOLS recently mentioned in their rumors? I really did not wish to decipher that aweful post about it.
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Post by: Samus_aran115
Brother SRM wrote:liquidjoshi wrote:Back to the Necron codex, as this thread was meant for: If it's the same kind of thing as the DE codex (i.e. good balance of fluff and good rules, not necessarily the overpowered Fethpool that is codex SPESS MAHRHINES, but good enough to be a viable tournament army, you know the kind of thing I mean) But Necron'd, then I'll be happy.
Why do people think Codex: Space Marines is overpowered? This is one of the most uninformed and frankly stupid points that people bring up all the time. It's literally just hate because something is popular, not powerful. If you're getting your teeth kicked in by Codex: Space Marines on a regular basis, then you're probably just rolling really poorly. There is nothing the vanilla codex can do that other books can't do better. Marones have always been a middle-of-the-road army when it comes to tournaments and such, and the current codex is no exception.
Good post. OH MY GOD! TACTICAL MARINES ARE SO OP. I could never understand why people even play the vanilla codex. All of the variants add something fantastic to the army that make it fun. I mean, unless you like Lysander and Vulkan, which would make sense.
Anyway! I'm getting excited about this now. I might pick up some warriors for conversions, if they look better than the last incarnation.
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Post by: Brother SRM
carabine wrote:]Dude you're either trolling or in denial, I play vanilla marines, Wolves, Blood Angels and Grey knights. And while the major debates will wait for another thread even I think I'm overpowered here in all 4 armies. Marines were top of the list until wolves came into play.
I play Vanilla, Wolves, and Chaos Marines. Vanilla doesn't do anywhere near as well as my IG or Orks do, or even my other Marine armies. I use my Marines when I want to go easy on my friends who don't play as much. If you think Vanilla Marines and Space Wolves aren't more powerful than Codex Marines, then I really do not know what to tell you. If you think Codex Marines are more powerful than Guard or Dark Eldar, then I'm pretty sure you're the one in denial.
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Post by: tiekwando
Imho nilla is the bottem unless they are using vulcan, then they are ok. But space puppies and space vampires are better,they have most of the same options as nilla, but have much much better troops mainly because you can go 5 man/squad and get a special weapon. Also better in cc.
The only advantage codex SM have is that with vulcan they have the one of the best elites, cheap TH/SS termies that are mastercrafted is hard to argue with.
Anyways back to the necron rumor, I would be interested in what gun they have. It could be just a partical projector (or what ever the staff of light wanna-be is called) but maybe it is something more fun!
Really though I just wish we knew a little more lol.
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Post by: FalkorsRaiders
I don't understand why people think my Necrons are so overpowered. They keep saying the We'll Be Back and Gauss weapons are broken, and the Monolith is stupidly powerful and can teleport units out of combat. I continuously tell them that c.c. will force my units to drop like flies, or how Phase Out is the worst rule in the game, but they keep crying about the c'tan being too amazing so loudly they can't hear me. Now that rumors of a new codex coming out for necrons have surfaced, all I hear is people whining of how unfair it is...
Now replace necron with vanilla space marine, and replace x-term with y-term, and that is the argument going on in a necron rumor thread. Let's all agree the difference between space marine chapters is the color of their armor and get back to the topic at hand, please.
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Post by: Ascalam
There are differences beyond armour colour, but it's irrelevant to the discussion of Necrons.
Necrons aren't overpowered. Marine players just don't like not having the best tank in the game, and being told that their melta-spam doesn't work.
WBB is good. 2+ 3++ terminators riding around in av 14 bunkers with AP3 flamers is better. Add in the FNP bubbles, transports galore, long range fire support, special weapons, ATSKNF, Drop Pods etc etc etc... and the Necrons are really not that OP.
Also remind them, while they wipe the spittle from their chins, that the Ctan are 300 + pts, and still fall down easily in combat with some of their better,cheaper IC's like Mephiston..
The Monolith is about the only good thing left in the army right now that the marines can't do better, and i'm betting that's not for much longer...
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Post by: FalkorsRaiders
@Ascalam
My post wasn't serious, it was me trying to take the posts prior and replacing everything with necron terms. most of the time, my friends laugh when i bring necrons to the table.
Something tells me that the monolith will become 13-13-13 and have that ability to buff armor until the first glance/pen. if that buff is +1 to armor, making the monolith into a 14-14-14, it is a serious nerf and rage shall consume necron fans. if that buff is +2 armor, making the monolith into a 15-15-15, it is a serious op-ing and rage shall consume non-necron fans. basically, if this field rumor exists, the monolith will be the biggest concern.
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Post by: Ascalam
*shrug*
Who knows. I'm betting that the Lith becomes an inferior, slower Leman Russ, personally.
We shall see
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Post by: CoI
God I hope not. I like the necron feel as is. Slow steady death coming from deathless robots, and a giant black pyramid blasting the crap out of things, which is neigh on unstoppable. You know... NECRON. They need an update more than anything else IMO. more optionss, but please don't change the feel...
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Post by: Anavrin
streamdragon wrote:
I didn't have a NidZilla army and I still hate the book. We went from plenty of adaptability options for our core to "do you want poison with that"? Our existing HS choices went from "Excellent" to "Go buy new models because they do everything better". Loss of eternal warrior for synapse creatures was excessive, especially for T4 warriors in a world of S8 krak/melta spam. Our "monsters" don't get invulnerable saves, lost out on armor saves (3+ armor carnifexes, for example), and have become generally underwhelming and overcosted. (E.g.: 180 point carnifexes that got stat-nerfed.) And elites? Lictors are basically a waste of points. They're not good at, well, anything. I get Ymarl genestealers now! Oh wait, they're basically the old genestealers but with a temporary bonus round to round instead of just keeping what I want to give them.
really though, all I should need to say is "Pyrovore".
Then we have the "support". No second wave, despite two (three?) entire armies being redone in the mean time.
Craptastical FAQ support including:
No, Tyranids can't join ICs to broods to use their "transport" like ... oh, every other army can.
Hive Commander, which you pay for, doesn't stack like the Eldar ability does.
No, Shadows in the Warp doesn't work on Psykers in vehicles.
I think we have the only buff in the game (Onslaught) that is also a psychic shooting attack. Used it? GG, you can't shoot or assault.
Frankly I feel like the reason we haven't seen a second wave for Nids is because even GW knows how badly the book got effed over. I'm really not sure how people can say it's good with a straight face.
I felt almost exactly the same, I was so disappointed that I actually switched armies after reading the new dex. =[
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Post by: Ascalam
Same here, after a period of playing them (to see if I could adapt and still enjoy them).
I used the excuse to amp up my Orks and Necrons instead
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Post by: Sectiplave
Mr.Church13 wrote:I just love people saying that vanilla marines are overpowered. I guess you've never fought against the underpriced IG or the insane GK stuff. Vanilla marines are fine and not any more powerful than anything else out there.
Ok now back on topic.
Has anyone heard anything about that flyer that BOLS recently mentioned in their rumors? I really did not wish to decipher that aweful post about it.
Trying to decipher that fools ramblings! The way he posts is frustrating, I only continue to follow those as he posted up info that Yakface was able to confirm first time around, and it doesn't sound like wish list material.
Heavy support slot, It appears to be a Fast skimmer, 11/11/10 armour facings, living metal rule (no solid info on the new living metal rule) Two different weapons which can both be fired while moving at cruising speed;
weapon#1= 1 shot, 12", STR10, AP1
weapon#2= 4 shot, 24-36", STR7, AP-, can hit multiple units.
My issue now is that the heavy support slot is sounding pretty busy, Monolith, fliers or new monstrous tomb spyders..... I'm optimistic myself, it's sounding like a Necron codex with multiple viable choices! This alone is revolutionary for the codex
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Post by: Ascalam
What is this 'choice' you refer to?
401 error: does not compute..
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Post by: Sectiplave
Ascalam wrote:What is this 'choice' you refer to?
401 error: does not compute..
Yeah weapon choices, multiple units in the same slot that sound like they are all worth actually taking.... it's pure madness!
I'm still going to do my damn best to run a Wraith heavy army
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Post by: carabine
CoI wrote:God I hope not. I like the necron feel as is. Slow steady death coming from deathless robots, and a giant black pyramid blasting the crap out of things, which is neigh on unstoppable. You know... NECRON. They need an update more than anything else IMO. more optionss, but please don't change the feel...
Here Here! I want to see necrons stay as the slow creeping death that ends all, the black tide of eternal damnation.
However that said I would like my black tide to come with wraiths skirting the outsets of said tide, flayed ones maybe outflanking from my board edge, destroyers between the tide and pyramids and the whole army being led by a glorious commander who looks like he's built out of Hematite and burning jade. Honestly this is what a really amazingly done up necron army looks like now we just need it to have good rules and have it compete with the other armies. The Feel of the necrons needs no change, they were terrifying in 4th ed and they just need a bit of a buff to be terrifying again. I'm just praying (and I haven't read this whole thread) guy visiting my store today said it was rumored that they gave this codex to matt ward. Now I take no stock in this but I think I shat myself a little at the very thought. So tell me Dakka does that scare you sh*tless too?
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Post by: cyberscape7
I'm liking the sound of the new tomb spyder. My only concern is that it will be too big to use my current spyder with.
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Post by: ph34r
cyberscape7 wrote:I'm liking the sound of the new tomb spyder. My only concern is that it will be too big to use my current spyder with.
Does it really matter? If I played Necrons I'd melt down my tomb spyders and turn them into dice if new models came out. The current models are boring as hell.
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Post by: streamdragon
Ascalam wrote: I used the excuse to amp up my Orks
This right here. I regret nothing except not playing the crazy green bastards sooner!
Edit: In a more on topic discussion, I do hate seeing a C'Tan hit the field, mostly for bad memories of it ripping through terminators. I don't think it's broken or anything, though I will say for some armies that Etheric Tempest was a stupid rule.
As for the monolith, I think most people still have a bad taste in their mouth from when it came out originally. It basically took every rule that was good, and then ignore every rule that wasn't. It can never be destroyed by immobilizing/weapon destroying it to death, as the Gauss Flux Arc Projectors are never actually destroyed, no matter how many weapon destroyed results you get.
Really, most of my issues with the Necron codex was the fluff. They went from "strange alien raiders" to suddenly being involved with and responsible for numerous things throughout the 40k universe that made no sense. Machine God on Mars? Totally a C'Tan... really! We swear! Buy our stuff!
okay, enough ranting for one morning.
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Post by: Anpu-adom
Again... I love the feel of the Necrons. I hope that it doesn't change.
I even love the fluff of the limited types of units and weapons. I mean... if I un-lived for a couple of milennia, I'm pretty sure I'd figure out what works best and stick to that. The only problem is that what they currently have isn't the best.
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Post by: angelshade00
Good point there.
And yes, as far as we all know, Matt Ward IS writing the codex... C'tan help us all...
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Post by: nosferatu1001
Why?
You'll get a codex witha lot of good options, nothing spectacularly under or over powered / costed, with some interesting rules that *mostly* work, and overall it will be a strong codex with lots of potential for varied armies.
Yes, you'll get some terribad fluff, some passable fluff and some really good stuff. However this is MUCH easier to work around that bad rules.
Oops, sorry, interjecting sense into the start of a ward rant.
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Post by: carabine
nosferatu1001 wrote:Why?
You'll get a codex witha lot of good options, nothing spectacularly under or over powered / costed, with some interesting rules that *mostly* work, and overall it will be a strong codex with lots of potential for varied armies.
Yes, you'll get some terribad fluff, some passable fluff and some really good stuff. However this is MUCH easier to work around that bad rules.
Oops, sorry, interjecting sense into the start of a ward rant.
Unless Ward writes it. Then we're looking at a storm of fandom coming down on the army hard followed by balance issues we realize that we've truly hit the rock paper scissors stage in this game where you have armies who just plain out and out no way can top another with single unit after single unit that's overpowered, very little synergy between units and characters who make chuck norris seem tame. ANYWAYS
Anyone else hoping crons get one or two really nice big monsterous creature things like the FW tomb stalker, that thing is sexy and I can only pray my new opponents look that good. Also any reliable news on what the new monolith is gonna be like? Wonder if the new one can be destroyed like any other vehical. At least unmodable armour 14 is less scary against my blood angels (move and fire preds and glorious)
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Post by: nosferatu1001
Carabine - erm, no. MW writes, on the whole, balanced codexes. That was my point.
All the rage should be Cruddace and Kelly, for IG and SW, but all the band waggoning onto MW seems to forget that salient fact.
I would suggest you reread the GK book, and note how clever the synergy is in the army. The HQ slot in particular.
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Post by: Ctan_Overlord
Frankly I am happy that MW is writing the codex, his codexs all have sound rules and only a few fluff "oddities". Also when I was talking to the writers at GD a couple of years ago I spoke to him and he was very passionate about the Necrons and has been apparently pushing for the Necrons to be redone since before 2008. Because of this I have great confidence that the new book will be satisfy all our Necrony needs.
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Post by: angelshade00
Still, some players (myself included), like their armies to come with a bit of nice and sensible fluff on the side.
If Ward (or anyone else for that matter) suddenly decided that Necrons are actually the long-forgotten descendants of C3PO and started walking around funny saying "oh dear", well, I think I would be a little disappointed.
Oh, and as far as Ward's rules go, I've heard a lot about broken rules from people so I'll reserve judgment until I actually see the codex.
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Post by: Snord
nosferatu1001 wrote:Carabine - erm, no. MW writes, on the whole, balanced codexes. That was my point.
All the rage should be Cruddace and Kelly, for IG and SW, but all the band waggoning onto MW seems to forget that salient fact.
I would suggest you reread the GK book, and note how clever the synergy is in the army. The HQ slot in particular.
And Kelly doesn't get any credit for the DE codex - arguably the best codex that's out there? The BA codex (which I quite like) is unquestionably over-the-top, especially compared to earlier codexes. Ward also writes terrible fluff - the GK codex is so overwritten and cliche-laden as to be virtually unreadable. There is a lot of potential for making the Necrons truly interesting in terms of background and motivation, but I don't think Ward has the skill to do it.
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Post by: nosferatu1001
Yes, of course he gets credit for DE. But he shouldnt escape criticism of the SW codex, which is far more broken than ANYTHING MW has produced for 40k.
The BA Codex? Power wise its further down the list than SW and IG, on par with plain marines / GK and slightly worse off than DE, who hover in between SW/IG and the rest, depending on points level.
Also - reread my earlier post, where I talked about the fluff side. However from a CODEX persepective, it is far better to have a good rule set, as fluff is entirely mutable - rules generally arent.
Would you prefer awful rules that are either hideously OP (IG, SW) or pretty meh (Nids) or on one occasion prety good (DE) or would you prefer good, solid codex with lots of options to make interesting, varied armies, without the army being over the top in *power* level?
I know what I would prefer. Fluff I can work around, I cannot work around the rules for units - not if i want to use the army anywhere reasonable.
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Post by: SkaerKrow
Uh, let's just rein in this "OMG the Guard is OP!" thing, for a minute. Crudance wrote a good codex that unfortunately offers up a few over the top builds which should have been caught in playtesting. It's no where near Matt Ward's 7th edition WHFB Daemon army book, which was outright broken in any configuration.
Also, if you really rate Vanilla Marines on the same tier as Blood Angels and Grey Knights (and below Dark Eldar)...yeah, wow. Have fun with that.
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Post by: nosferatu1001
Um, guard IS overpowered - not the whole codex, as in every unit. But thats the problem - there are some seriously godawful units in there (mostly in elites) that never see regular, serious play, and there are some utter no brainers. A fast gun platform that carries troops? Oh, and it scouts. And is a skimmer. And is a bargain. Etc.
Also - note how i mentioned 40k in that? I was *very* careful to caveat the statement.
A well run DE army tears BA razorspam and GK PA spam lists a new one. Every time. Why, do you think differently?
Vanilla marines - usually meaning Vulkan led - can work toe to toe with BA and GK. Same tier doesnt mean absolutely equal - it certainly isnt as easy a list to play.
Anyway - it doesnt alter the fact that, 40k wise, SM/BA/GK are all of a level - and can create varied, fun and interesting lists. SW? Not so much
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Post by: carabine
The 5th ed vanilla marine codex was the worst because it set so many new bars in what was broken at the time, characters, equipment, choices etc.
Phil Kelly is a saint compared to Ward. Basic marines can still beat wolves, but honestly I'd love someone to show me a situation where you see wolves taking on Grey knights. Heck I play all 4 and I see BA and GK having a major leg up on SW.
Ward writes specific entries that are broken worse than my 1987 Nissan Stanza. Kelly doesn't write broken entries he makes synergistic codices. The issue with IG and DE is that most of the units work in support of each other remarkably well, not that the units in question are broken. Again this coming from a 4 way marine player.
All in all I just hope Necrons avoid this problem. I really wanna see a codex without the screaming and pain and suffering that we've seen lately.
Now remember folks we keep this up and we'll end up getting this locked so lets just agree to disagree and start a new thread for the whole matt ward/phil kelly thing elsewhere.
Also so we can be back on track, anyone got anything new on the supposed character necron lords I keep hearing about locally? Is the guy I heard it from full of or are we gonna see some actual cool non c'tan HQs for these guys?
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Post by: nosferatu1001
Wolves taking on GK? Well, they can outshoot standard PA / T GK armies, so thats a start.
I also play all 4, and having seen SW beat BA and GK on a *regular* basis (seriously - look at actual tourney results to get a good idea of the disparity) I know for a fact which codex is overpowered.
So Kelly doesnt write broken units? You're talking crap. LF. TWC. Just those two is bad enough, but then you get to the stupidity of GH - CA, 2CCW AND the banner of cheese, oh wait - the banners not one per army anymor, and is only 10 points, and can be used against pretty much anything you roll dice for? Awesome! And then theres WG....and Jaws.....
And thats before you get to the godawful units, like the ones that cant shoot *even if they cannot assault* just because theyre within 6".
Compare this to GK, where HQ selection is key, you have no no-brainers (want scoring dreads? GKGM, but unless you *also* take a termi libby (expensive) or Inq (squishy) youre missing out on MoT) in that list - none. I have seen more varied lists comgin from the GK book than I have seen from any codex except DE.
Overall - I'd rather have DE-Kelly write the book, as you'd get good balance (mostly, still some very poor choices there) as well as good fluff. But if we cant - then Ward is a very good second. You can work around bad fluff, you cant work around bad rules - not if you want to use your army outside of strictly friendly games, anyway.
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Post by: Murenius
I also hope they do not change the feeling of Necrons. I'd be very happy if they just made the army more competitive in 5th edition, brought important models (e.g.Immortals, Wraiths) as resin/plastic bulk kits and made implayable models (Pariahs or Flayed Ones) playable.
Some nice monstrous creatures would be the icing on the cake, though
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Post by: streamdragon
nosferatu1001 wrote:Wolves taking on GK? Well, they can outshoot standard PA / T GK armies, so thats a start.
how so, if you don't mind my asking? I'm guessing you're talking about Razor and Long Fang spam, but I'm not 100% sure.
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Post by: Anavrin
I'm with nosferatu on this one. It's easy to hate on Ward because his fluff is so godawful, but the actual codex rules and synergy are great (at least for his 5th ed codexes).
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Post by: nosferatu1001
Stream - apart from psyriflemen, PA / T GK dont get guns over 24", and dont get to take dedicated transports to get their termis across safely if they still want to take psyriflemen.
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Post by: streamdragon
I guess I'm not fully understanding, especially as I'm not very familiar with the new GK book.
PT / T GKs still have better guns than bolters, and other than their transports Hunters aren't getting anything over 24" either. They can take Dreads and such to get long range support similar to Wolves, but I'm guessing they don't have the equivalent of Long Fangs then? Lack of dedicated transports for Termies is kinda craptastical, although at least theirs can teleport.
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Post by: nosferatu1001
They cannot carry any guns with a greater than 24" range. While they can fire on the move at 24" that doesnt help when LF can outrange them by 24"
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Post by: Pael
nosferatu1001 wrote:They cannot carry any guns with a greater than 24" range. While they can fire on the move at 24" that doesnt help when LF can outrange them by 24"
This is a negative? When the metagame for 40k is all about CC? Your logic seems a bit off.
On topic---If half the rumors are true then at least the Necrons will be as pretty as the Dark Eldar release. I don't expect them to release as many models but those that they do release should be amazing.
Too bad 40k is dead to me, dead I tell you.
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Post by: Ascalam
I want pretty necrons! A race that wants all life extinct should be pretty
Keep telling yourself that
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Post by: dajobe
off topic: SW are overpowered IMHO(actually agreeing with nosferatu lol)
on topic: i agree, i want to see a Monstrous Creature Necron!
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Post by: FalkorsRaiders
I'd like a monstrous creature necron that moves like a jetbike and could turbo boost. I always liked the fact that scarabs, wraiths, and destroyer/heavy destroyer could all turbo boost and move 12" normally, so why not allow the spyder that ability too?
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Post by: tiekwando
Probably because that would be pretty OP 3+ cover save and then can assault 42" in 2 turns.
Not even I want that and I love my necrons, it would just screw some armies hard, especially if the MC was t5-6 with multiple wounds. You wouldnt be able to kill it before it started beating on you in assault.
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Post by: streamdragon
dajobe wrote:off topic: SW are overpowered IMHO(actually agreeing with nosferatu lol)
on topic: i agree, i want to see a Monstrous Creature Necron!
Off Topic: While I think there are a few questionable things in Codex: SW, I'd say overall that the book isn't overpowered. Efficient? Most definitely. But even things like JotWW are of limited use depending on the army faced. I'd never take it against my friend's Eldar, for example. That said, it (along with all poison DE and all Force Weapons GKs) makes my Tyranids and Orks cry.
On Topic: A tomb spyder-esque transport for Necrons could be interesting. Could either go an armor route, or go similar to the Mycetic Spores and make it an MC that can carry or teleport a unit of warriors.
Edit: Tomb Spyder, not Scarab 
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Post by: FalkorsRaiders
tiekwando wrote:Probably because that would be pretty OP 3+ cover save and then can assault 42" in 2 turns.
Not even I want that and I love my necrons, it would just screw some armies hard, especially if the MC was t5-6 with multiple wounds. You wouldnt be able to kill it before it started beating on you in assault.
Well, if the rumor about the spyder getting an artillery option is true, I'd definitely agree with you that those rules are OP, but as of now, the current spyder is useless in my opinion. Maybe you've had more luck then me, but my spyders have never been useful once. they always fail me when I need them.
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Post by: nosferatu1001
Pael wrote:nosferatu1001 wrote:They cannot carry any guns with a greater than 24" range. While they can fire on the move at 24" that doesnt help when LF can outrange them by 24"
This is a negative? When the metagame for 40k is all about CC? Your logic seems a bit off.
On topic---If half the rumors are true then at least the Necrons will be as pretty as the Dark Eldar release. I don't expect them to release as many models but those that they do release should be amazing.
Too bad 40k is dead to me, dead I tell you.
Sorry, what?
The meta is mech. Lots and Lots of mech, to keep those precious troops alive.
So yes, it is a negative. Your AV11 vehicles die first turn, and you slowly walk across the board getting chopped to pieces.
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Post by: tiekwando
FalkorsRaiders wrote:tiekwando wrote:Probably because that would be pretty OP 3+ cover save and then can assault 42" in 2 turns. Not even I want that and I love my necrons, it would just screw some armies hard, especially if the MC was t5-6 with multiple wounds. You wouldnt be able to kill it before it started beating on you in assault.
Well, if the rumor about the spyder getting an artillery option is true, I'd definitely agree with you that those rules are OP, but as of now, the current spyder is useless in my opinion. Maybe you've had more luck then me, but my spyders have never been useful once. they always fail me when I need them.
Well the current spyder, with the ability to move like a jetbike, would be pretty ridiculous depending on the rules for generating scarabs. You would get a 3+ cover save from shooting and could have a bunch of extra wounds. T6 means your not going to be wounded by much other than heavy weapons, and against those you have the 3+ save. In combat your not great if they have powerfists, but otherwise are ok. The big thing is that 1 would not be over powered, but the ability to take 9 would be. Really though it would depend on point costs, if they were 75 points and had that upgrade, then way OP as many armies wouldn't be able to deal with 9 of them charging turn 2. If they are 100 points, then probably not effective except for certain lists. Anyways, I agree tomb spyders do need an upgrade just think that making them/any MC move like jetbikes is not a good idea.
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Post by: Sabet
You forgot something tiekwando. if they spawn a scarab, a few more things come to my mind:
positive: +1 to all cover saves, they have the stealth special rule (but im not sure if small target goes across for an extra +1), an extra 3 wounds, the scarab being toughness 6, and therefore not vulnerable to instant death, making the squad a unit, therefore meaning only half the unit needs to be in cover (small scarabs ftw), not sure if you ignore cover from the scarab rule though.
negative: vulnerable to blasts, taking 2 wounds instead of one isnt that bad, lose Move through cover, so instead of rolling 3 dice and picking the highest, you get 2 (oh no). big deal. any other negatives anyone can point out?
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Post by: void stalker
i can, the scarabs are not immune to ID as you are just using the majority toughness or in this case the highest to wound, it doesn't change the scarabs toughness 3 to 6. but as a positive the only time you lose move through cover is when you're assaulting as the scarab is a jetbike for movement and even then i belive they just take dangerous to assault into cover
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Post by: tiekwando
The other biggest loss is that once in assault the scarab can be instant killed, which can cause a lot of fearless wounds.
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Post by: Stormrider
DarkStarSabre wrote:SkaerKrow wrote:Name me a single book that doesn't have some internal balance issues, or "why even take these" units.
I've yet to see anything a blatantly useless as the Pyrovore. Really.
Space Pope???
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Post by: tiekwando
Vespids?
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Post by: Ascalam
Flayed ones?
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Post by: Neconilis
Techmarines?
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Post by: FalkorsRaiders
Flayed Ones? Wait, that was said... oh well, maybe they'll be more useful in the new codex.
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Post by: Sabet
techmarines are okay.
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Post by: Praxiss
I have never understoof what the whoel problem is with the 'Lith.
"Oh no, my melta wont kill it right away! no fair"
get over it. Use a krak Missile, or a lascannon. They are not impossible to kill by any stretch of the imagination.
i for one hope they keep 'liths the same and maybe tweak Living Metal to work like the armour on the stormraven. Immune to melta but can still be chain-fisted.
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Post by: omerakk
Krak missiles don't actually do anything to a lith other than immobilzing and reducing the d6 attack. Melta's work fine; you just need a 6 on your pen
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Post by: rockerbikie
The Red Shirt in my Store says there will be more Storms of Magic stuff in August.
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Post by: BrassScorpion
rockerbikie wrote:The Red Shirt in my Store says there will be more Storms of Magic stuff in August.
Two things are quite interesting about that bit of information. First, it contradicts the topic of this thread! Isn't conflicting information fun? Second, they still have red shirts there in Australia? In the US, all employees were switched to black shirts when GW made the move to 1-man shops at 35 hours per week. For all those people who didn't like the way Ernie Baker ran things in the US, Tom Kirby has proved it could get a whole lot tougher on the customers and the employees.
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Post by: Just Dave
So is there actually any [recent] news preventing this thread from being locked?
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Post by: tiekwando
Hmm well there was the spyder, and how it will be probably larger. And then we got off topic
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Post by: Vhalyar
Just Dave wrote:So is there actually any [recent] news preventing this thread from being locked?
The Necron flyer.
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Post by: Lord of Caliban
Really? I can't believe GW would say not to order something.
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Post by: TBD
ChaosLordSam wrote:Really? I can't believe GW would say not to order something.
What are you talking about?
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Post by: tiekwando
He may be responding to the fact that some stores have shelves that are empty of necrons
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Post by: Sabet
My store literally has 3 items. A battleforce box, a monolith, and a single destroyer. Because they haven't been bought yet. They've been there for about 6-9 months now (i can't remember exactly when). No more stock is getting shipped unless it is ordered in. And since i'm the only one who plays necrons...
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Post by: MittinsKittens
Sorry for the bump, but I went to my GW store yesterday and I asked the guy working in the store while I built some bezerkers have GW said anything about they're not sending anymore necrons because I heard theirs a new codex coming and they've said they're stopping orders of Necrons?
He said "Nope, They don't tell me anything but you're right. I haven't seen necrons being ordered in for quite a while now..."
And I had a quick glance on the shelve for what they had they only had a Battleforce box, Monolith and a box of Necron Warriors and I think a box of Destoryers on the shelf and a couple copies of the codex.
So yeah, I can see something happening soon x3
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Post by: tiekwando
If it really does happen in august then this will be one of the best kept secrets for GW in a while lol.
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Post by: tiekwando
Check out the new scarabs!
Or should I say the old ones?
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Post by: Ascalam
Really really old ones.
I would love to have 30 odd bases of those, but the cost would be obscene even for GW
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Post by: DarkStarSabre
MittinsKittens wrote:Sorry for the bump, but I went to my GW store yesterday and I asked the guy working in the store while I built some bezerkers have GW said anything about they're not sending anymore necrons because I heard theirs a new codex coming and they've said they're stopping orders of Necrons?
He said "Nope, They don't tell me anything but you're right. I haven't seen necrons being ordered in for quite a while now..."
And I had a quick glance on the shelve for what they had they only had a Battleforce box, Monolith and a box of Necron Warriors and I think a box of Destoryers on the shelf and a couple copies of the codex.
So yeah, I can see something happening soon x3
Or it could be because all the metals went Direct Only - same as every other army and Necrons had a quite limited range of plastics anyway.
The only thing supporting the idea of a coming 'new' release is the absence of any sort of Necron finecast - same with the Sisters of Battle and Ogres - implying they're holding those off til they come out.
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Post by: Murenius
DarkStarSabre wrote:
The only thing supporting the idea of a coming 'new' release is the absence of any sort of Necron finecast - same with the Sisters of Battle and Ogres - implying they're holding those off til they come out.
And this is a very strong hint IMO. They'd miss quite some sales without reason if there wasn't something coming up. Cause when I walk into my local store and see some nice model I can rarely withstand the temptation to take one or two home. But right now I don't buy any Necrons cause I wait for the new codex and I don't order any stuff from GW cause I am lazy and hate to wait for orders to arrive.
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Post by: Breotan
DarkStarSabre wrote:Or it could be because all the metals went Direct Only - same as every other army...
Actually, there are some models that can't even be ordered from GW anymore such as the Wraiths. This suggests that new models are pending and GW is willing to wait for the Necron release date. Given GW's desire to sell models, this seems to suggest that the date is less than six months out.
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Post by: Kirasu
They put dark eldar on direct only for years.. "Soon" could mean "whenever we get around to it" in regards to a new codex
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Post by: TBD
Breotan wrote:Actually, there are some models that can't even be ordered from GW anymore such as the Wraiths.
Wraiths can still be ordered.
August - Vampire Counts 2nd
September - Special release
October - Ogres
November - Necrons
December - Nothing new/significant
^ This is (still) the expected release schedule for the rest of the year. Maybe some small items here and there.
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Post by: streamdragon
TBD wrote:
August - Vampire Counts 2nd
September - Special release
October - Ogres
November - Necrons
December - Nothing new/significant
Pigs Fly - Updated FAQs for all books
Heat Death of the Universe
Tyranid second wave
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Post by: Ledabot
Freaken want tau in feb. I predicted it in feb last year. I said to my friends, we have one year to wait. I expect it will happen, but then we all expected a inqusion codex not a grey knights dex
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Post by: Worglock
nosferatu1001 wrote:Carabine - erm, no. MW writes, on the whole, balanced codexes. That was my point.
All the rage should be Cruddace and Kelly, for IG and SW, but all the band waggoning onto MW seems to forget that salient fact.
I would suggest you reread the GK book, and note how clever the synergy is in the army. The HQ slot in particular.
Yeah. Draigo.
He's real "clever".
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Post by: Ascalam
A regular Clever Hans
I've read the GK book. I even own it (know your enemy ) and frankly it is a poorly balanced load of tosh, with some very poorly concieved rules and worse characters.
It's powerful, oh yes, but balanced or well written..not really.
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Post by: WarOne
Ascalam wrote: well written..not really.
It's so well written that you could imagine how a mere mortal could carve his name into an embodiment of pure evil merely by the eloquence of Matt Ward, bastard offspring of e cummings.
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Post by: Ascalam
Lord i hope that was intended as sarcasm
Something tells me it was
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Post by: woodbok
News: The necron codex has stopped being stocked at my local GW. They have also pulled it of the website. Might be a connection issue on my pc, is this the same for you?
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Post by: FalkorsRaiders
woodbok wrote:News: The necron codex has stopped being stocked at my local GW. They have also pulled it of the website. Might be a connection issue on my pc, is this the same for you?
I don't see it either. Maybe the necrons will be updated soon?
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Post by: Ctan_Overlord
woodbok wrote:News: The necron codex has stopped being stocked at my local GW. They have also pulled it of the website. Might be a connection issue on my pc, is this the same for you?
Thats a good sign if I have ever seen one, personally I still expect the Necrons before October
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Post by: Gaz Taylor
Ctan_Overlord wrote:Thats a good sign if I have ever seen one, personally I still expect the Necrons before October
It's possible but depends on when the Ogres are out for Fantasy. Seeing how we have Sisters in August and Games Day in September, it's possible that we will see Necrons in October but I think that largely depends on what else GW is releasing.
EDIT - Just checked GW website and the Ogre's book is still up for sale. Necrons could be sooner than we think!!!
On another note - I was at Warhammer World earlier this week and most of the Necron Models are not in the display cabinets in the Mini Museum. Seeing how WD is a done a few months in advance we could be seeing Necrons in a few months.
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Post by: Ctan_Overlord
Gaz Taylor wrote:Ctan_Overlord wrote:Thats a good sign if I have ever seen one, personally I still expect the Necrons before October
It's possible but depends on when the Ogres are out for Fantasy. Seeing how we have Sisters in August and Games Day in September, it's possible that we will see Necrons in October but I think that largely depends on what else GW is releasing.
EDIT - Just checked GW website and the Ogre's book is still up for sale. Necrons could be sooner than we think!!!
On another note - I was at Warhammer World earlier this week and most of the Necron Models are not in the display cabinets in the Mini Museum. Seeing how WD is a done a few months in advance we could be seeing Necrons in a few months.
In the past the WD has been written 4 months in advance of its release, and about 3 months ago someone reported that the Necron models were taken out for photographing at Warhammer World, we have yet to see the WD issue with Necrons in it so I am hoping for some news about the Necrons possibly in the next WD. You know uneless they have reduced the time frame in which WD are completed beforehand, in that case I have no idea.
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Post by: Breotan
TBD wrote:Wraiths can still be ordered.
The couldn't a couple of weeks ago. Hmm... I guess they restocked since then.
Gaz Taylor wrote:Seeing how we have Sisters in August...
I didn't think a WD mini-codex qualified as being part of the release schedule.
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Post by: dschlot
Not to get anyone's hopes up or contradict anyone, but the GW rep I talked to told me not to buy any more Tau and that stuff would be on the way by the end of the year. Both Necron and Tau need it. Obviously this is not confirmed at all, but they could have huge Christmas sales if they release both Necron and Tau by December. Just food for thought.
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Post by: Gaz Taylor
Breotan wrote:TBD wrote:Wraiths can still be ordered.
The couldn't a couple of weeks ago. Hmm... I guess they restocked since then.
Gaz Taylor wrote:Seeing how we have Sisters in August...
I didn't think a WD mini-codex qualified as being part of the release schedule.
I imagine it does if they re-release some of the sisters models (either repackaged or in Finecast)
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Post by: ShadowZetki
The only reason I suspect that a micro-codex wouldn't impede a necron codex is because they can do both at the same time I mean why not? Surely GW smells big bucks concerning Necrons, and they could also release the micro-codex at the same time to see if it could be profitable and worth investing into sooner or later.
@dschlot You either talked to a guy who THINKS he is a GW rep or going out of his way to keep his job buy getting you to buy the "latest thing" or at least not something so outdated. Tau getting updated this year just wont happen, especially with GW heavily pushing WHFB and with the micro sisters codex supposedly arriving shortly i am sure that making an actual codex for that has higher priority over a tau codex. and even still dark angels or black templars are infinitely more likely to be updated before tau they are after all space marines. Not trying to sound like TFG but don't get your hopes up for tau
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Post by: Jone96
I have heard that crons will come right after Sisters wd dex, I dont belive that gw would make two 40k armies in a row... or would they... They maby do some WHFB stuff after sisters but who knows!
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Post by: ShadowZetki
They easily could seeing how the sisters thing is merely a micro-codex and I doubt new models would happen with something like that. and with the necron codex not available on the website anymore and all this other stuff popping up closer to August-September its just too big a coincidence. I mean I can honestly see Necrons making GW massive money (aren't well all curious to at least some extent?)
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Post by: dajobe
Jone96 wrote:I have heard that crons will come right after Sisters wd dex, I dont belive that gw would make two 40k armies in a row... or would they... They maby do some WHFB stuff after sisters but who knows!
they wont, they are bringing necrons over to WHFB, just kidding
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Post by: Begel Dverl
dajobe wrote:Jone96 wrote:I have heard that crons will come right after Sisters wd dex, I dont belive that gw would make two 40k armies in a row... or would they... They maby do some WHFB stuff after sisters but who knows!
they wont, they are bringing necrons over to WHFB, just kidding
I nearly raged.
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Post by: tetrisphreak
I want some new shiny robotz to dominate the tables with. C'mon GW!. As an aside, wouldn't it be cool if the necrons were immune to poison..since they're, well, robots? *disclaimer* that is pure wishlisting *end disclamer*.
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Post by: Leggy
tetrisphreak wrote:I want some new shiny robotz to dominate the tables with. C'mon GW!. As an aside, wouldn't it be cool if tvhe necrons were immune to poison..since they're, well, robots? *disclaimer* that is pure wishlisting *end disclamer*.
You might as well make them immune to Dark Eldar. Same difference.
The Poisoned rule doesn't just represent poison. It could also be holy water (vs Daemons) or a highly corrosive acid (vs Necrons).
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Post by: ThatMG
Worglock wrote:nosferatu1001 wrote: MW writes, on the whole, crap consistant codexes.
Cruddace and Kelly, made codexs with no consistancy for IG and SW.
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Post by: Anpu-adom
ShadowZetki wrote:The only reason I suspect that a micro-codex wouldn't impede a necron codex is because they can do both at the same time I mean why not? ...
I'm pretty sure that the Sisters, 2-part WD codex does have an impact on a Necron release. Here is why... there are only so many pages in a WD.
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Post by: ShadowZetki
I wouldn't know how many pages are in a WD the models, paints, codex, and rules alone are too expensive
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Post by: BrassScorpion
I'm pretty sure that the Sisters, 2-part WD codex does have an impact on a Necron release. Here is why... there are only so many pages in a WD.
And only so many dollars, pounds, etc. GW knows it can get out of people in a single month. They won't have two large, major product releases conflicting with each other in a month, especially not for the same game system. Occasionally a small alternate range release in the same month as a major one, not two major releases. I must say, the exact "when" of the Necron release is looking fuzzier all the time now.
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Post by: ShadowZetki
Normally I would agree with everyone that the WD codex and necrons couldn't be released at the same time but I will stick to my guns on this one and say it is quite possible for both the WD and necrons in august, the only reason I think this is possible is because if there are no new models for the sisters concerning the white dwarf codex that would make it a less competitive release
edited accidentally messed up the month I meant so august
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Post by: tiekwando
Well I don't think that WD mini codex counts as a major release. Iirc the blood angels codex didn't come out with support and was not the only thing released. Of course I may be loosing my mind.
However they are supposedly releasing a mini wave of vampires, so I guess that could be what is being released?
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Post by: BrassScorpion
there are no new models for the sisters concerning the white dwarf codex
Is that a known fact? If so, that is significant. One fact is, White Dwarf still announces ahead of time, though not by much, what is coming the next month, so at the end of July when the next White Dwarf is finally revealed we'll know for sure what August will bring. It's only a couple weeks away now.
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Post by: ShadowZetki
"Normally I would agree with everyone that the WD codex and necrons couldn't be released at the same time but I will stick to my guns on this one and say it is quite possible for both the WD and necrons in august, the only reason I think this is possible is because if there are no new models for the sisters concerning the white dwarf codex that would make it a less competitive release"
Funny you only quote starting at there are no new models try reading that again I re posted what I said copy pasted it so try reading that a second time before claiming I said something like that.
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Post by: tiekwando
BrassScorpion wrote:there are no new models for the sisters concerning the white dwarf codex
Is that a known fact? If so, that is significant.
One fact is, White Dwarf still announces ahead of time, though not by much, what is coming the next month, so at the end of July when the next White Dwarf is finally revealed we'll know for sure what August will bring. It's only a couple weeks away now.
Well that is the rumors I have read, and the posters seemed pretty sure. Of course its just rumors so eh.
On the other hand the lack of White Dwarf is supposedly from the rumors back in May/June which said that GW won't let anyone know what is coming until the week before. Back then they said that the new policy would begin starting after July. Sooo supposedly (man there are a lot of qualifications in here ) the releases for Aug/Sept and Nov won't get any news until right before.
Of course this is just a rumor based on a rumor, which is in turn starting a rumor.
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Post by: imark789
Tau getting a new codex and new models? How long ago was it that they got their old codex?
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Post by: TheNewMexicanGeneral
Necrons are coming august. So it should be a lot of fun. As of now SoB will not be getting new models just a two part WD Codex.
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Post by: Kirasu
I heard from an esteemed redshirt that Necrons are 100% getting a new codex either before or after the next edition of 40k
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Post by: Ouze
Kirasu wrote:I heard from an esteemed redshirt that Necrons are 100% getting a new codex either before or after the next edition of 40k
That's impossible, because that's the scheduled release for the plastic Thunderhawk!
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Post by: Kurgash
Kirasu wrote:I heard from an esteemed redshirt that Necrons are 100% getting a new codex either before or after the next edition of 40k
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ Impossible! They were saving that release for when the Great Crusade expansion is to be launched!
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Post by: ChaosxVoid
If anyone recalls, the blood angels got a WD 2 part codex then what 2-5 months later they got new models a new codex and everything, perhaps the SOB will be having the same thing.
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Post by: angelshade00
TheNewMexicanGeneral wrote:Necrons are coming august. So it should be a lot of fun. As of now SoB will not be getting new models just a two part WD Codex.
I wouldn't hold my breath. Why such certainty?
Kirasu wrote:I heard from an esteemed redshirt that Necrons are 100% getting a new codex either before or after the next edition of 40k
No insult intended, but that sounds like "Necrons are 100% getting a new codex either before the year 2076 or after that". Again, no offense.
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Post by: Dr. Temujin
One month until August... sigh...
For the love of the Omnissiah, I really hope the release is August! 
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Post by: Brother SRM
ChaosxVoid wrote:If anyone recalls, the blood angels got a WD 2 part codex then what 2-5 months later they got new models a new codex and everything, perhaps the SOB will be having the same thing.
If by months you mean years, then yeah you're correct. The Blood Angels WD codex came out in 2007.
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Post by: Compel
So yeah... GW's new rumour shutdown at work.
I remember being fairly excited about the new Dark Eldar codex, with the previews at Games Day and everything.
And now, we've got the new necron codex which may, or may not be coming out in about 3 weeks time and yeah....
I don't give a flying fudge. A complete feeling of apathy about what should be a super awesome release of new robot space dudes of death.
And I don't have a vested interest in either armies...
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Post by: Kroothawk
If Necrons were an August release, wouldn't the preview of WD August mention such a thing?
I think, November is more realistic.
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Post by: Netsurfer733
Compel wrote:So yeah... GW's new rumour shutdown at work.
I remember being fairly excited about the new Dark Eldar codex, with the previews at Games Day and everything.
And now, we've got the new necron codex which may, or may not be coming out in about 3 weeks time and yeah....
I don't give a flying fudge. A complete feeling of apathy about what should be a super awesome release of new robot space dudes of death.
And I don't have a vested interest in either armies...
Wait, why?
One month until August... sigh...
For the love of the Omnissiah, I really hope the release is August!
At least I have Mechanicum to get my Necron fix on until the release, rofl. Wonder if they'll make any new C'tan a model...oooo....
Btw - how does this process go usually? When an old codex goes off the website, and certain models become unavailable (I think I heard that happened?), how long does it take for the new stuff to come out? Is it normally a month or two or more like 4 or 5 or something?
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Post by: Praxiss
Are there necrons in Mechanicum? Dont remember.
if you want a book based necron fix try Fall of Damnos. i thought it was a good read.
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Post by: Ctan_Overlord
Kroothawk wrote:If Necrons were an August release, wouldn't the preview of WD August mention such a thing?
I think, November is more realistic.
GW have changed their marketing scheme so that WD is now the first place where you will learn about a new release. Also it will now, from July onwards only tell you what the new release is only ONE week before it is actually released. So really all we can do if hope for an August release and keep ours eyes on the mailbox
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Post by: tallerguy
What date do people get the August WD? I want to make a note to check on that day :O)
(it's not the 1st of August I am sure)
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Post by: Ctan_Overlord
tallerguy wrote:What date do people get the August WD? I want to make a note to check on that day :O)
(it's not the 1st of August I am sure)
I am not sure of the exact date, but apparently those who are subscribed to WD will no longer get it a week early, so it will be hard to tell when we will get our WD, but ussually if there is something really interesting in the WD someone will leak a picture just before, so we wont have to wait more than 2 weeks I reckon.
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Post by: Kroothawk
WD always last Saturday in month (subscribers and newsstores in the following week), main release date first Saturday in month. So basically WD and preorders are one week ahead.
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Post by: Asherian Command
if they make necrons as powerful as they are in fluff. i am not going back to gw ever again.
but anyway its good they are finally getting an update.
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Post by: Kurgash
Asherian Command wrote:if they make necrons as powerful as they are in fluff. i am not going back to gw ever again.
but anyway its good they are finally getting an update.
Now I want them to be that powerful. I'd love for so many people to rage over the sudden jump from joke of 40k to everyone is the joke compared to them!
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Post by: Ascalam
Asherian Command wrote:if they make necrons as powerful as they are in fluff. i am not going back to gw ever again.
but anyway its good they are finally getting an update.
What, 1/10th as good as a Marine?
The fluff has them being taken down by untrained miners, after all
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Post by: Gutsnagga
Kroothawk wrote:If Necrons were an August release, wouldn't the preview of WD August mention such a thing?
I think, November is more realistic.
Totally agree. Read the back page of July White Dwarf! It explicitly says SoB codex pt.1, and Vampire Counts big fuzzy thing.
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Post by: angelshade00
Kurgash wrote:Asherian Command wrote:if they make necrons as powerful as they are in fluff. i am not going back to gw ever again.
but anyway its good they are finally getting an update.
Now I want them to be that powerful. I'd love for so many people to rage over the sudden jump from joke of 40k to everyone is the joke compared to them!
I'd totally love that.
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Post by: Sabet
Would be fun.
EDIT: Wishlisting imminent I would be reasonably happy if they just dropped the points cost of all the models and gave us stubborn, or ATSKNF. Course I would like a few perks, and an ability to not get crushed by an alpha strike list, but otherwise, I would be happy.
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Post by: Spartan 117
Awesome cannot wait for new crons. I have about 32 warriors. So hopefully they dont re-model those.
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Post by: Ascalam
Even if they do you can still use the old ones.
I know a guy with a full 1st ed (rogue trader) marine army.
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Post by: Mad4Minis
Asherian Command wrote:if they make necrons as powerful as they are in fluff. i am not going back to gw ever again.
but anyway its good they are finally getting an update.
You could say the same thing for SM. If you go by the fluff a 10 man SM squad should be able to go toe to toe with several squads of IG, and likely win.
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Post by: Asherian Command
Well i as long as i place a magnet on the battlefield do i claim automatic victory?
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Post by: Ascalam
ONly if it has been properly sanctified and anointed with the sacred oils
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Post by: Kurgash
You can go ahead and put the magnet on the field but only if you left the plot armor at home.
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Post by: DaNewBoy
Kirasu wrote:I heard from an esteemed redshirt that Necrons are 100% getting a new codex either before or after the next edition of 40k
That is absolutely the most unhelpful statement in the world.
And Before or after lunch tomorrow I'll do something.
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