This is random, but just saw the commercial for Spike TV's Deadliest Warrior.

Now I am wondering if we put the stats and abilities for all the 40k Races, and Special Characters into the Deadliest Warrior computer program.

Which race would be victorious, and who would come out on top as the Deadliest Warrior, Lord Draigo Kaldor, Abbaddon the Despoiler, Ghazgul Khan, Mephiston, or Old One Eye.

Who would you pick as the Deadliest Warrior in 40k?

I am a Space Wolves fan so I do favor Logan Grimnar and Njal Stormcaller, but would love to see what everyone else has to say about their favorites.

Maybe Games Workshop could sign a deal with Spike TV to run a few episodes comparing everything 40k.

1. Please change your font size.

2. This belongs in 40K General, not here.

Font size is horrible. What were you thinking? So is the Spike TV suggestion.



Ghidorah

Are we going on rules and fluff, just rules or just fluff?

Based on rules. I would say Abaddon.

Based on fluff, Kaldor Draigo (He has spent hundreds of years in the warp fighting daemons after all).

Based on coolness, Sly Marbo. (He'd just appear behind whoever he was fighting and strap a demo charge to their back ala Solid Snake)

rules wise, Draigo would win.

he has that 3+ invuln save.



Marbo can't compare. only that Demo charge has a chance of doing anything.



Abbaddon has a LC and deamon weapon, but only a 4+ invuln. Draigo also has psychic powers beforehand.

And this whole time, Eldrad's sitting back laughing about how he manipulated all of his enemies into killing each other

Shut up Eldrad, you're dead!!!

Tzeentch is laughing about Eldrad laughing about how he THINKS he manipulated his enemies into killing each other. JUST AS PLANNED.
Then again, spending his time laughing about Eldrad? That Flea? No way.

In the fluff:
The Nightbringer or the Void Dragon.

Without using a blackstone fortress they are immortal. They can control reality with there thoughs but without the unpredictability or psychic powers. They are capable of shape shifting and can heal almost any damage do to their necrodermis.

Plus the Nightbringer managed to beat the eldar so badly that his image became imprinted in their DNA as a creature that brought death.

Conservationist wrote:Tzeentch would probably be laughing about Eldrad laughing about how he THINKS he manipulated his enemies into killing each other. JUST AS PLANNED.

but then....

Grey Templar wrote:Shut up Eldrad, you're dead!!!

Or is he?!

Draigo's fluff does seem to indicate him as Deadliest Warrior, and his rules are pretty solid too. But for some reason I just have the image of Kharn going all out since he has no rules and has the backing of a chaos god.

ZeroSamurai wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:Shut up Eldrad, you're dead!!!

Or is he?!

He's deader than Elvis and Hitler combined. You have a better chance of finding Jimmy Hoffa's body than Eldrad being alive.

wouldnt lilith or what ever shes called be countable with that "extra attack for every extra troop etc etc bleh blah"? o.o

4M2A wrote:In the fluff:
The Nightbringer or the Void Dragon.

Without using a blackstone fortress they are immortal. They can control reality with there thoughs but without the unpredictability or psychic powers. They are capable of shape shifting and can heal almost any damage do to their necrodermis.

Plus the Nightbringer managed to beat the eldar so badly that his image became imprinted in their DNA as a creature that brought death.

If we're counting Gods then Big E he already beat void dragon once. Fluff wise without gods one of the demon primarch's, game wise draigo he scares me

Platuan4th wrote:He's deader than Elvis and Hitler combined. You have a better chance of finding Jimmy Hoffa's body than Eldrad being alive.

Obviously you haven't seen BubbaHo-Tep

When we are talking about troops if so.
Eldar Guardian vs Storm Trooper.

itsonlyme wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:He's deader than Elvis and Hitler combined. You have a better chance of finding Jimmy Hoffa's body than Eldrad being alive.

Obviously you haven't seen BubbaHo-Tep

Because movies are known for their accurate portrayals of real life.

If we're counting Gods then Big E he already beat void dragon once. Fluff wise without gods one of the demon primarch's, game wise draigo he scares me

1. When the Emperor fought the void dragon it was in a weakend state having already been shot by a blackstone fortress (IIRC)
2. The Emperor isn't really up to much any more- a grot is more of a threat now
3. Whether the C'tan are gods depends on what you belive makes something a god. From an outside perspective we know they are just very powerful aliens.

@4M2A:

you hold the erronious view the Emperor is doing nothing.


Right now he is...

Shining the Astronomican,

Holding Chaos back. He is the reason Deamons find it so hard to manifest in the physical realm, his will itself destabilizes them. Deamons could waltz into reality at will without him(this is because the Heresy seriously weakened the barriers between the Warp and Reality)

He also guids his servents with the Emperor's Tarot(the cards are psychically connected to the Emperor and his will can be made known through them)

in addition, he occasionally speaks directly to people.


all of this is done simultaniously.

skraband the exile or heatslayer or vect

Emperor

Asherian Command wrote:When we are talking about troops if so.
Eldar Guardian vs Storm Trooper.

the Stormtrooper.


1. the Stormtrooper is a professional Soldier. the Guardian is not.

2. While the Guardian has the superior weapon, it doesn't ignore the Stormtrooper's armor. the Stormtrooper's weapon doesn't ignore the Guardians armor either though.

3. The stormtrooper can carry a Flamer, a Meltagun, or a Plasma gun. all of which will instantly torch the Guardian. the Guardian has a Shurican Pistol, Shurican Catapult, and a chainsword.

4. The stormtrooper has superior armor(4+) vs the Guardian(5+)

Grey Templar wrote: the Stormtrooper's weapon doesn't ignore the Guardians armor either though.

Ap3 don't ignore 5+?

brainfart.

I forgot Hotshots were Ap3 now

Draigo. Why? He carved his name into a Primarch Daemon Prince's heart,banished M'kar back to the warp when he was very very young,and is the Supreme GrandMaster of the GreyKnights. And now he's killing Daemons in the Warp.
And why is he doing this? You know it,FOR THE EMPEROR!

Mat Ward strikes again

Draigo...really what is more epic than guy burry Greater Daemon of Tzeentch under a pile of ruble that came from the door that he bring down with his own leg, all that while in the warp.

All other heroes and warriors in 40k facepalm....

Except Mephisto, he tare Carnifex with his bare hand ( no powerfist + Calgar fail ).

yup

Just one tough guys...if Draigo can do all that ( even Chaos gods can't say to him GTFO!!! ) - what then can Emperor do when he returns?

Kick the crap out of everyone he wants to

In fact, 4chan is right:

"The Emperor himself, looking at his deeds, stood up... And quit his fething job because clearly this Draigo donkey-cave made him irrelevant.

BECAUSE GW WOULDN'T LET MATT WARD BRING BACK ROBOUTE GUILLIMAN"

looks like ard boiz is gonna suck

Also being a Space Wolf chap, I would go with either Ragnar Blackmane due to his prowess, Logan Grimnar because he is fantastic, Njal Stormcaller because the way he controls the elements or Arjac Rockfist because he is one hard nutter!!!!

What about the Imp Commander who ripped an orks arm off an beat him to death with it, lol.

Grey elder wrote:What about the Imp Commander who ripped an orks arm off an beat him to death with it, lol.

His name is Yarrick, and he's a Commisar.

Draigo, obviously.

I love that picture GT.

How about Mephy?

Mephy meets Draigo. Unstoppable Force meets Immovable object. Universe implodes. Tzeench dies of laughter. Alpha Legion suspected.

Grey Templar wrote:Mephy meets Draigo. Unstoppable Force meets Immovable object. Universe implodes. Tzeench dies of laughter. Alpha Legion suspected.

A CHALLENGER APPEARS...

Nightbringer, the deciever, Kairos, or Skarbrand. Any of them will easily kill anything else.

Rules: Draigo to win consistently

mcyeatman wrote:How about Mephy?

Mephy makes Draigo S10, attacks at I1 due to Psyk-out grenades, has no invulnerable save; Draigo may also have 10 paladins at his back.

A fluffy fight would be pretty epic though, I imagine. Rules wise though...

daedalus-templarius wrote:

mcyeatman wrote:How about Mephy?

Mephy makes Draigo S10, attacks at I1 due to Psyk-out grenades, has no invulnerable save; Draigo may also have 10 paladins at his back.

A fluffy fight would be pretty epic though, I imagine. Rules wise though...

Draigo would kick that nerd's ass.

Movac wrote:

daedalus-templarius wrote:

mcyeatman wrote:How about Mephy?

Mephy makes Draigo S10, attacks at I1 due to Psyk-out grenades, has no invulnerable save; Draigo may also have 10 paladins at his back.

A fluffy fight would be pretty epic though, I imagine. Rules wise though...

Draigo would kick that nerd's ass.

I suppose Draigo HAS carved his name into a Daemon Prince's heart

odh1nn wrote:A CHALLENGER APPEARS...

nah, with his luck he would be killed by a Necron.


"Lucius killed by Necron. Necron becomes Lucious. Phase Out a constant problem Lucius says. Alpha legion suspected."

daedalus-templarius wrote:

Movac wrote:

daedalus-templarius wrote:

mcyeatman wrote:How about Mephy?

Mephy makes Draigo S10, attacks at I1 due to Psyk-out grenades, has no invulnerable save; Draigo may also have 10 paladins at his back.

A fluffy fight would be pretty epic though, I imagine. Rules wise though...

Draigo would kick that nerd's ass.

I suppose Draigo HAS carved his name into a Daemon Prince's heart

A PRIMARCH Daemon Prince.

What about the vindicare, for if draigo has to walk Mr.PENeTRATESAV14 will stop him in his tracks with shooting.

Grey elder wrote:What about the vindicare, for if draigo has to walk Mr.PENeTRATESAV14 will stop him in his tracks with shooting.

lolsentence?

Lelith would make short work of Draigo, she would have 7 attacks on Draigo that hits on 3s, Draigo would only have 3 attacks (shardenet and Impaler) that hits on 4s, they both have a 3+ invul

Vect would be even worse, he would have 6 attacks on Draigo that hits him on 3s with rerolls thanks to preferred enemy everyone! And he would wound Draigo on 3s thanks to the sceptre, Draigo only has a 3+ save while Vect has a 2+

SWORMLORRRRDDD!!!

Power to the nids!

Riddick40k wrote:Lelith would make short work of Draigo, she would have 7 attacks on Draigo that hits on 3s, Draigo would only have 3 attacks (shardenet and Impaler) that hits on 4s, they both have a 3+ invul

Vect would be even worse, he would have 6 attacks on Draigo that hits him on 3s with rerolls thanks to preferred enemy everyone! And he would wound Draigo on 3s thanks to the sceptre, Draigo only has a 3+ save while Vect has a 2+

If I recall they are both t3 right and no EW so Hammerhand and and one strike from Draigo ID both of your beautiful DE.

everyone knows the ultimate warrior would be That Commisar :3 but naw on a serious note im going to go with "that random gretchin" that survives every attack you send at him

Nurgle would win Fluff-wise...

Everyone is going to be sick someday right?

Riddick40k wrote:Lelith would make short work of Draigo, she would have 7 attacks on Draigo that hits on 3s, Draigo would only have 3 attacks (shardenet and Impaler) that hits on 4s, they both have a 3+ invul

4/5 hit,have fun wounding t5 with s3 then bypass a 3+,4times. This bitch has no chance.

Vect would be even worse, he would have 6 attacks on Draigo that hits him on 3s with rerolls thanks to preferred enemy everyone! And he would wound Draigo on 3s thanks to the sceptre, Draigo only has a 3+ save while Vect has a 2+

Vect is a legit fight.

Grey elder wrote:

Riddick40k wrote:Lelith would make short work of Draigo, she would have 7 attacks on Draigo that hits on 3s, Draigo would only have 3 attacks (shardenet and Impaler) that hits on 4s, they both have a 3+ invul

Vect would be even worse, he would have 6 attacks on Draigo that hits him on 3s with rerolls thanks to preferred enemy everyone! And he would wound Draigo on 3s thanks to the sceptre, Draigo only has a 3+ save while Vect has a 2+

If I recall they are both t3 right and no EW so Hammerhand and and one strike from Draigo ID both of your beautiful DE.

Draigo wouldn't get maybe two wounds on either of them and with vects 2+ save and leliths 3+ good luck, in two turns Draigo would be filled with holes from Lelith or vaporized by Vect, even fluff wise Vect has thousands of years over Draigo, not to mention he knows the weakness of every living creature. He wouldn't even bother with Draigo himself, he'd kill Draigo without Draigo even knowing what happened, or make Draigo his personal slave

Riddick40k wrote:

Grey elder wrote:

Riddick40k wrote:Lelith would make short work of Draigo, she would have 7 attacks on Draigo that hits on 3s, Draigo would only have 3 attacks (shardenet and Impaler) that hits on 4s, they both have a 3+ invul

Vect would be even worse, he would have 6 attacks on Draigo that hits him on 3s with rerolls thanks to preferred enemy everyone! And he would wound Draigo on 3s thanks to the sceptre, Draigo only has a 3+ save while Vect has a 2+

If I recall they are both t3 right and no EW so Hammerhand and and one strike from Draigo ID both of your beautiful DE.

Draigo wouldn't get maybe two wounds on either of them and with vects 2+ save and leliths 3+ good luck, in two turns Draigo would be filled with holes from Lelith or vaporized by Vect, even fluff wise Vect has thousands of years over Draigo, not to mention he knows the weakness of every living creature. He wouldn't even bother with Draigo himself, he'd kill Draigo without Draigo even knowing what happened, or make Draigo his personal slave

Please do some math instead of slowed speculation.

All you need to do is fail once and PUFF DE everywhere, Plus T5 gonna be fun for lelith.

Just did the scenario 10 times, on average Vect makes all 6 of his 3+ rolls to hit thanks to preferred enemy, then precedes to make 5 of his 3+ to wound rolls on Draigo, Draigo then precede to fail 1 to 2 saves

Draigo on average hits 2 out of his 4 attacks on Vect, then makes both of his 2+ to wound on Vect with hammerhand, Vect makes both of his 2+ saves since you roll all of his invul saves separately

Through the entire ten scenarios Vect kills Draigo within 2 to 3 turns 8 times. Draigo only killed Vect 2 out of the ten times only because of hammerhand


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And if you really want an all out brawl, I'd suggest a Draigo bs Lysander duel

My vote, lysander

Riddick40k wrote:
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And if you really want an all out brawl, I'd suggest a Draigo bs Lysander duel

My vote, lysander

My vote: Draigo. He's got a storm bolter.

Dave_Nz wrote:SWORMLORRRRDDD!!!

Power to the nids!

This. About time someone threw Old One Eye back onto the reserve bench and sent up our WS9, S/T6, W5, 4++, ID, forcing-you-to-reroll-your-invulnerable-saves alpha bug. With fluff that makes him come back for rematches more reliably than a Necron. And his choice of FC or PE.

Oh, and Draigo? We'll see your Storm Bolter, and in return give you WS/BS1 and the occasional headexplodey. Like killing daemons? Assuming you don't have an Immune To Perils rule, you'll have one in your head every other time you try to cast.

In terms of actual performance... I would guess smoking.

Think about how many Imperial Guardsman, PDF, and random Imperial scrubs smoke lho-sticks... tens of billions? hundreds of billions?

In M40, grimdark cigs have to cause lung cancer in at least 20% of longtime smokers. You think that some punk like Draigo can touch those numbers?

You know that the Imperium isn't paying to cure cancer in guardsmen. Lung cancer is srs bsns.

Vect will roll 1's and Draigo will roll 2's hence they annihilate each other because neither one makes their invuls.

Riddick40k wrote:Lelith would make short work of Draigo, she would have 7 attacks on Draigo that hits on 3s, Draigo would only have 3 attacks (shardenet and Impaler) that hits on 4s, they both have a 3+ invul

Vect would be even worse, he would have 6 attacks on Draigo that hits him on 3s with rerolls thanks to preferred enemy everyone! And he would wound Draigo on 3s thanks to the sceptre, Draigo only has a 3+ save while Vect has a 2+

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Anval Thawn stands up to put Vect out of his misery.

Riddick40k wrote:Lelith would make short work of Draigo, she would have 7 attacks on Draigo that hits on 3s, Draigo would only have 3 attacks (shardenet and Impaler) that hits on 4s, they both have a 3+ invul

Vect would be even worse, he would have 6 attacks on Draigo that hits him on 3s with rerolls thanks to preferred enemy everyone! And he would wound Draigo on 3s thanks to the sceptre, Draigo only has a 3+ save while Vect has a 2+

they both better have EW because if Draigo gets a wound in...

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Riddick40k wrote:
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And if you really want an all out brawl, I'd suggest a Draigo bs Lysander duel

My vote, lysander

My vote: Draigo. He's got a storm bolter.

And Lysander has a ST 10 thunder hammer so if Draigo fails a save he'll be initiative 1 next turn, they both have terminator Armour so I doubt a storm Bolter would do anything, especially now that they arnt close combat weapons


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Grey Templar wrote:

Riddick40k wrote:Lelith would make short work of Draigo, she would have 7 attacks on Draigo that hits on 3s, Draigo would only have 3 attacks (shardenet and Impaler) that hits on 4s, they both have a 3+ invul

Vect would be even worse, he would have 6 attacks on Draigo that hits him on 3s with rerolls thanks to preferred enemy everyone! And he would wound Draigo on 3s thanks to the sceptre, Draigo only has a 3+ save while Vect has a 2+

they both better have EW because if Draigo gets a wound in...

Draigo better not get perils of the warp then, and even I he gets hammerhand he still has to get through vects 2+ invul

Probably won't get perils since DEldar don't have Runes of Warding.

I would still put my money on Lucius. Either he kills you, or you kill him and turn into him. Either way, Lou the E. wins...

odh1nn wrote:I would still put my money on Lucius. Either he kills you, or you kill him and turn into him. Either way, Lou the E. wins...

Thats not true. You'd have to feel pleasure in defeating him. Grey Knights hate Daemons right so wouldn't killing him to him be like "one less Daemon" instead of actually having pleasure?

If they would feel any pride in besting Lucius would cause you to slowly turn into him. I'm sure that even the grey knights would feel some sort of pride in besting one of the best Astartes swordsmen to ever have lived...


That said, it would be interesting, indeed, to see who would win the "Deadliest Warrior" contest. My vote would either go to Kharn, Lucius, Asurmen, Lelith or Ragnar Blackmane. Their all just monsters, both on the tabletop and in the storyline.

Gork and/or Mork.

Vires` wrote:

odh1nn wrote:I would still put my money on Lucius. Either he kills you, or you kill him and turn into him. Either way, Lou the E. wins...

Thats not true. You'd have to feel pleasure in defeating him. Grey Knights hate Daemons right so wouldn't killing him to him be like "one less Daemon" instead of actually having pleasure?

Who wouldn't feel at least the slightest twinge of enthusiasm, pleasure or satisfaction from besting a bogeyman who's been around since before the Heresy? That's all that it takes to become just another swirling face, a memory in the armor that Lucius is clad in.

odh1nn wrote:

Vires` wrote:

odh1nn wrote:I would still put my money on Lucius. Either he kills you, or you kill him and turn into him. Either way, Lou the E. wins...

Thats not true. You'd have to feel pleasure in defeating him. Grey Knights hate Daemons right so wouldn't killing him to him be like "one less Daemon" instead of actually having pleasure?

Who wouldn't feel at least the slightest twinge of enthusiasm, pleasure or satisfaction from besting a bogeyman who's been around since before the Heresy? That's all that it takes to become just another swirling face, a memory in the armor that Lucius is clad in.

Plenty of things, actually. Necrons, tyranids, wraithguard/wraithlords, Imperial navy commanders who don't even realize they've just bombarded him into dust...

MandalorynOranj wrote:

odh1nn wrote:

Vires` wrote:

odh1nn wrote:I would still put my money on Lucius. Either he kills you, or you kill him and turn into him. Either way, Lou the E. wins...

Thats not true. You'd have to feel pleasure in defeating him. Grey Knights hate Daemons right so wouldn't killing him to him be like "one less Daemon" instead of actually having pleasure?

Who wouldn't feel at least the slightest twinge of enthusiasm, pleasure or satisfaction from besting a bogeyman who's been around since before the Heresy? That's all that it takes to become just another swirling face, a memory in the armor that Lucius is clad in.

Plenty of things, actually. Necrons, tyranids, wraithguard/wraithlords, Imperial navy commanders who don't even realize they've just bombarded him into dust...

Most of which would not be in the "Deadliest Warrior" 40K style.
And we don't know that wraithguard and wraithlords don't feel. They are sentient as tehy are just reincarnated souls (essentially). We also don't know that the larger Nid creatures (like Swarmlord for example) don't have a sense of pride. They obviously gain individual knowledge and CAN think independently, otherwise there would be no need for the hive mind to reincarnate the swarmlord as any hive tyrant would be able to command the bugs just as well as any others.

Amanax wrote:

MandalorynOranj wrote:

odh1nn wrote:

Vires` wrote:

odh1nn wrote:I would still put my money on Lucius. Either he kills you, or you kill him and turn into him. Either way, Lou the E. wins...

Thats not true. You'd have to feel pleasure in defeating him. Grey Knights hate Daemons right so wouldn't killing him to him be like "one less Daemon" instead of actually having pleasure?

Who wouldn't feel at least the slightest twinge of enthusiasm, pleasure or satisfaction from besting a bogeyman who's been around since before the Heresy? That's all that it takes to become just another swirling face, a memory in the armor that Lucius is clad in.

Plenty of things, actually. Necrons, tyranids, wraithguard/wraithlords, Imperial navy commanders who don't even realize they've just bombarded him into dust...

Most of which would not be in the "Deadliest Warrior" 40K style.
And we don't know that wraithguard and wraithlords don't feel. They are sentient as tehy are just reincarnated souls (essentially). We also don't know that the larger Nid creatures (like Swarmlord for example) don't have a sense of pride. They obviously gain individual knowledge and CAN think independently, otherwise there would be no need for the hive mind to reincarnate the swarmlord as any hive tyrant would be able to command the bugs just as well as any others.

True dat, at least from how I heard my 'crons are being updated...

Drago is doing that because GW went stupid and were like hmmm lets make the gayest character ever that ignores everything we previously said. Oh a guy who is able to never die and can fight in the warp... Oh sweettt..


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Deadliest warrior is the gladiator pits in the Commorragh.

It would obviously be the Hive mind because it has an endless freaken swarm of beasties to send at anybody it likes!

monti14 wrote:Drago is doing that because GW went stupid and were like hmmm lets make the gayest character ever that ignores everything we previously said.

Can we not use 'gay' as an insult, please? Ta.

I am sorry.

Vect wont be able to fight.. According to DE codex he is sitting in the DE version of the golden throne, but then less important..

I'd put my money on ghaz... 2++ on the waaagh and 7 str 10 attacks on the charge. weapon skill 6 and eternal warrior; that is a package full of win imo

What about the sanguinor?at least against Draigo he has more HA and I and he can repeat to hit and to wound.

Marneus Augustus Calgar vs. Lord Kaldar Draigo

Caveat: I assume both combatants simultaniously charge each other at the start of the 1st turn, firing their weapon as they do. I'll ignore Calgars Combat Tactics, Orbit. Bomb and Draigo's flamy-power.

Round 1:
Draigo Shooting: 2 shots (Str. 4, AP5), 2 hits (for simplicity) resulting in 1 wound and 0,16 wounds after saves (2+)
Calgar Shooting: 2 shots (Str. 4, AP2), 1,6666 hits resulting in 0,926 wounds (w/ re-rolls) and 0,31 wounds after saves (3++).

Draigo CC: 5 Attacks (Str. 6 w/HH), 3,3333 hits resulting in 2,222 wounds and 1,111 wounds after saves (4++): Calgar has taken 1,261 wounds total on average
Calgar CC: 6 Attacks (Str. 8), 3 hits resulting in 2,91 wounds (w/ re-rolls) and 0.97 wounds after saves (3++): Draigo has taken 1,896 wounds total on average

Round 2:
Draigo CC: 4 Attacks (Str. 6 w/HH), 2,666 hits resulting in 1,777 wounds and 0,888 wounds after saves (4++): Calgar has taken 2,15 wounds total on average
Calgar CC: 5 Attacks (Str. 8), 2,5 hits resulting in 2,43 wounds (w/ re-rolls) and 0.81 wounds after saves (3++): Draigo has taken 2,71 wounds total on average

Round 3:
Draigo CC: 4 Attacks (Str. 6 w/HH), 2,666 hits resulting in 1,777 wounds and 0,888 wounds after saves (4++): Calgar has taken 3,038 wounds total on average
Calgar CC: 5 Attacks (Str. 8), 2,5 hits resulting in 2,43 wounds (w/ re-rolls) and 0.81 wounds after saves (3++): Draigo has taken 3,52 wounds total on average

Round 4:
Draigo CC: 4 Attacks (Str. 6 w/HH), 2,666 hits resulting in 1,777 wounds and 0,888 wounds after saves (4++): Calgar has taken 3,926 wounds total on average
Calgar CC: 5 Attacks (Str. 8), 2,5 hits resulting in 2,43 wounds (w/ re-rolls) and 0.81 wounds after saves (3++): Draigo has taken 4,33 wounds total on average (e.g. R.I.P.)


Conclusing. Calgar wins over Draigo with an average of 0,074 wounds left after 4 rounds of combat.

I blame the Ap2 bolter calgar has. the wounds it can cause seem to have tipped the balance.


still, I would say its too close to call as Calgar is winning by a mere fraction.

Draigo has a force weapon doesn't he?

Couldn't he kill calgar by causing a single wound and passing a psychic test?

Wait. I forgot calgar has EW. Carry on

thenoobbomb wrote:Vect wont be able to fight.. According to DE codex he is sitting in the DE version of the golden throne, but then less important..

What codex are you reading? Vects still alive and killing like always

G00fySmiley wrote:I'd put my money on ghaz... 2++ on the waaagh and 7 str 10 attacks on the charge. weapon skill 6 and eternal warrior; that is a package full of win imo

Double or nothin'!

looks like ard boiz is gonna suck.

Tzeentch- just as planned

Ragnarok2070 wrote:ok, all the heroes in the universe will do all kinds of crazy shyte, now which race would actually be the champion in all out war, my money is on the orks. just put a warboss in the middle of Nobz and surround them with boyz and gretchin, Even Calgar and Kaldor can only kill so much in one round before they get swamped with so many wounds from choppas that they begin failing.

True. The greatest strength of the orks is their weight of numbers (as well as their inability to be stamped out).

Ragnarok2070 wrote:ok, all the heroes in the universe will do all kinds of crazy shyte, now which race would actually be the champion in all out war, my money is on the orks. just put a warboss in the middle of Nobz and surround them with boyz and gretchin, Even Calgar and Kaldor can only kill so much in one round before they get swamped with so many wounds from choppas that they begin failing.

The guardsmen who went all Leeroy Jenkins on Horus at the Siege of Terra

Grey Templar wrote:@4M2A:

you hold the erronious view the Emperor is doing nothing.


Right now he is...

Shining the Astronomican,

Holding Chaos back. He is the reason Deamons find it so hard to manifest in the physical realm, his will itself destabilizes them. Deamons could waltz into reality at will without him(this is because the Heresy seriously weakened the barriers between the Warp and Reality)

He also guids his servents with the Emperor's Tarot(the cards are psychically connected to the Emperor and his will can be made known through them)

in addition, he occasionally speaks directly to people.


all of this is done simultaniously.

About half of what you just said is confirmed as "fact" within the universe. Most of what you wrote is just speculated upon.

If the emperor is not the strongest then this thread is now deamed heretical!

zxwarrior wrote:If the emperor is not the strongest then this thread is now deamed heretical!

...break it down! It's FanBoi time!

Jeez troll much? it was just a joke from another thread i read recenty

zxwarrior wrote:Jeez troll much? it was just a joke from another thread i read recenty

An oft repeated one that contributes little. Honestly, it's nothing personal...I just hate seeing that same line repeated over and over again, by various users. My thoughts are always: "Woohoo, the emperor is wonderful. Yay. Now let's contribute something to the discussion."

If I had to peg a deadly warrior (forgetting named characters and such), I'd probably put it down to the method:

Brute Force: Bloodthirster
Subterfuge: Imperial Assassins
Close Combat: Archons
At Range: Tau Broadsides

Upon careful reflection, I would have to say that the most powerful character would be...

CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT!

Che-Vito wrote:

zxwarrior wrote:Jeez troll much? it was just a joke from another thread i read recenty

An oft repeated one that contributes little. Honestly, it's nothing personal...I just hate seeing that same line repeated over and over again, by various users. My thoughts are always: "Woohoo, the emperor is wonderful. Yay. Now let's contribute something to the discussion."

If I had to peg a deadly warrior (forgetting named characters and such), I'd probably put it down to the method:

Brute Force: Bloodthirster
Subterfuge: Imperial Assassins
Close Combat: Archons
At Range: Tau Broadsides

You're a heretic.

All the fluff arguments in this thread are irrelevant. If anyone has seen the TV show they should know that the show does not account for the skill of the warrior, just the weaponry. you would pit the weapons of a squad against the weapons of another squad of the same size. Horde armies would not have their horde advantages. they generally pit long range, short range, close combat and explosives generally. it does not matter how cool they are or the game rules. its strictly based on the most killy weaponry

The Ghoma wrote:The guardsmen who went all Leeroy Jenkins on Horus at the Siege of Terra

You mean Imperial Fist?

Platuan4th wrote:

The Ghoma wrote:The guardsmen who went all Leeroy Jenkins on Horus at the Siege of Terra

You mean Imperial Fist?

No he means the lone Adeptus Custodes warrior that entered the bridge. Horus showed the Imperial bodyguard the Emperor's broken form and laughed at the Custode. The valiant Imperial warrior roared and charged the Warmaster. He was flayed alive by a glancing psychic blast from Horus.

dmthomas7 wrote:All the fluff arguments in this thread are irrelevant. If anyone has seen the TV show they should know that the show does not account for the skill of the warrior, just the weaponry. you would pit the weapons of a squad against the weapons of another squad of the same size. Horde armies would not have their horde advantages. they generally pit long range, short range, close combat and explosives generally. it does not matter how cool they are or the game rules. its strictly based on the most killy weaponry

this is the problem i have with that show.


they often, unfairly, compare weapons that they put into the Special catagory. often its a ranged weapon vs a CC weapon.

the losing weapon often would have had an awsome chance to beat another weapon with a similer purpose.

Drahar, Master of Blades would kick their butts in less than 5 seconds

who is this Drahar you speak of???


I have heard of the mighty Drazhar, Master of Blades, but not this warrior of whom you speak.

You know, I might just have to go with either Mephiston, (sorry forgot how to spell the name), Master of Librarians of the Blood Angels

or

Reclusiarch Grimaldus of Black Templars.

Special Heroes wise, not gods and Draigo, cause lets face it, he's pretty much a total badass

Vires` wrote:

Che-Vito wrote:

zxwarrior wrote:Jeez troll much? it was just a joke from another thread i read recenty

An oft repeated one that contributes little. Honestly, it's nothing personal...I just hate seeing that same line repeated over and over again, by various users. My thoughts are always: "Woohoo, the emperor is wonderful. Yay. Now let's contribute something to the discussion."

If I had to peg a deadly warrior (forgetting named characters and such), I'd probably put it down to the method:

Brute Force: Bloodthirster
Subterfuge: Imperial Assassins
Close Combat: Archons
At Range: Tau Broadsides

You're a heretic.

This is true

Current Armies:
- Chaos Daemons (Khorne/Slaanesh) 5,000+ points
- Imperial Guard (formerly DH, but I am only playing them as IG after the new GK codex) 4,000+ points
- Tau (Farsight Enclave) 1,500+ points
- Ork Bikers (all using fantasy boar models) 500+ points

I am quite the heretic nowadays

I hate that show, a Spartan would not beat a ninja simply because the ninja would not fight. He would poison his well water or sit in his latrine and stab a sword up his butt when he goes to use the bathroom. < That one actually happened.

Not to mention that the Aztec Warrior beat the centurion, Obsidian clubs pretty much suck against steel armour. The spanish proved this.\

But for the sake of argument I'ld go with Skulltaker.

Ratbarf wrote:I hate that show, a Spartan would not beat a ninja simply because the ninja would not fight. He would poison his well water or sit in his latrine and stab a sword up his butt when he goes to use the bathroom. < That one actually happened.

Not to mention that the Aztec Warrior beat the centurion, Obsidian clubs pretty much suck against steel armour. The spanish proved this.\

But for the sake of argument I'ld go with Skulltaker.

The Aztec never faced the centurian, the Aztec faced the zonde warrior

Ratbarf wrote:I hate that show, a Spartan would not beat a ninja simply because the ninja would not fight. He would poison his well water or sit in his latrine and stab a sword up his butt when he goes to use the bathroom. < That one actually happened.

Not to mention that the Aztec Warrior beat the centurion, Obsidian clubs pretty much suck against steel armour. The spanish proved this.\

But for the sake of argument I'ld go with Skulltaker.

the Centurion faced a Rajput warrior.


and the show isn't about who would poison who's water, its about weaponry and fighting styles.

if the ninja was cornered and forced to fight, the Sparten would win.

The absolute biggest problem with the show is that they don't take into account skill with the weaponry or the actual fighting style of the warrior. it strictly relies on how the weapon performs in one test and the specs the weapon has. though overall i do enjoy the show either way

In 40k? So the 40th millenium when the emperor is only alive in spirit means you can rule him out.

So loyal primarchs would also be ruled out, seeing as their all dead/in stasis/wondered off.

Billions of ordinary people would be ruled out

I guess it would be easier to post the top 5 warriors from each faction, and then compare them as an educated committee to find a fair and accurate result. Or not.

ANGRON FOR THE WIN!

I think they think they don't have to as they are supposedly being demonstrated by people proficient with the given weapon.


it is a shame they seem to examine the weapons in a vaccum and not in relation to each other.


a Sling plus a sword is an excellent combo. someone is charging you and then you give them a nice big headache with a rock to the forhead. then they are at a disadvantage when you close into close combat as they are disorientated and in pain.

An'ggrath the Unbound anyone? That's one mean, bad ass, 888 point curbstomping son of a bitch right there.

dmthomas7 wrote:All the fluff arguments in this thread are irrelevant. If anyone has seen the TV show they should know that the show does not account for the skill of the warrior, just the weaponry. you would pit the weapons of a squad against the weapons of another squad of the same size. Horde armies would not have their horde advantages. they generally pit long range, short range, close combat and explosives generally. it does not matter how cool they are or the game rules. its strictly based on the most killy weaponry

Ok, I'm game, the show is not based on the warrior holding the weapon but the weapons he is weilding. hmm, that's like saying its not the pilot that flies the plane, but the plane that is being flown.

Bob Hoover, Chuck Yeager, and Robin Olds disproved that concept many times over during Korea and Vietnam. Yeager got in a captured Mig 15 took off and flew mock dogfight against several air force pilots flying the F86 Sabre in the early 50's, in each engagement he outflew the other pilots 9 out of 10 times. The one engagement in which he lost was against Bob Hoover. They switched planes with same pilots that had just tried to take him down in the Sabres flying the Mig 15 and Yeager flying the Sabre, he again took down 9 out of 10 pilots only being bested by Bob Hoover. So it is not the plane that makes the pilot good, but the skill of the pilot with the plane he is in.

in 40k its not the sword that Castellan Crowe weilds that makes him nasty but His Weapon Skill and the luck of the dice roll when he weilds it.

the same thing is true for every other character in the game whether it is Draigo, Mephiston, Lucius, Ghazgkull, Eldrad, Tycho, Grimnar, or an Avatar, all of them have the same chance of rolling 1 or 6 whether it is to hit or to wound. the deciding factor is always how their Weapon Skill stacks up to their opponents Weapon Skill vs their Strength against the opponents Toughness and the lucky roll of the dice. Yeah, the weapon may grant some bonuses, but the wielder has something to do with it as well.

So Mr. Thomas, what do you have to say about it just being the weapon used, and remember your arguing with a person whose Bachelor's Degree is in Military History.

Grey Templar wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:When we are talking about troops if so.
Eldar Guardian vs Storm Trooper.

2. While the Guardian has the superior weapon, it doesn't ignore the Stormtrooper's armor. the Stormtrooper's weapon doesn't ignore the Guardians armor either though.

Course it does... hotshot lasguns are ap3... and they're elites!

Ragnarok2070 wrote:

dmthomas7 wrote:All the fluff arguments in this thread are irrelevant. If anyone has seen the TV show they should know that the show does not account for the skill of the warrior, just the weaponry. you would pit the weapons of a squad against the weapons of another squad of the same size. Horde armies would not have their horde advantages. they generally pit long range, short range, close combat and explosives generally. it does not matter how cool they are or the game rules. its strictly based on the most killy weaponry

Ok, I'm game, the show is not based on the warrior holding the weapon but the weapons he is weilding. hmm, that's like saying its not the pilot that flies the plane, but the plane that is being flown.

Bob Hoover, Chuck Yeager, and Robin Olds disproved that concept many times over during Korea and Vietnam. Yeager got in a captured Mig 15 took off and flew mock dogfight against several air force pilots flying the F86 Sabre in the early 50's, in each engagement he outflew the other pilots 9 out of 10 times. The one engagement in which he lost was against Bob Hoover. They switched planes with same pilots that had just tried to take him down in the Sabres flying the Mig 15 and Yeager flying the Sabre, he again took down 9 out of 10 pilots only being bested by Bob Hoover. So it is not the plane that makes the pilot good, but the skill of the pilot with the plane he is in.

in 40k its not the sword that Castellan Crowe weilds that makes him nasty but His Weapon Skill and the luck of the dice roll when he weilds it.

the same thing is true for every other character in the game whether it is Draigo, Mephiston, Lucius, Ghazgkull, Eldrad, Tycho, Grimnar, or an Avatar, all of them have the same chance of rolling 1 or 6 whether it is to hit or to wound. the deciding factor is always how their Weapon Skill stacks up to their opponents Weapon Skill vs their Strength against the opponents Toughness and the lucky roll of the dice. Yeah, the weapon may grant some bonuses, but the wielder has something to do with it as well.

So Mr. Thomas, what do you have to say about it just being the weapon used, and remember your arguing with a person whose Bachelor's Degree is in Military History.

He isn't talking about the game, he's talking about the show Deadliest Warrior, where they DO in fact just compare the weapons. Nobody's arguing that's how it should be done, in fact if you read the last few posts you'll find that the general consensus is that method is really stupid. No need to get up on your high horse, we're just having a friendly discussion.

geordie09 wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:When we are talking about troops if so.
Eldar Guardian vs Storm Trooper.

2. While the Guardian has the superior weapon, it doesn't ignore the Stormtrooper's armor. the Stormtrooper's weapon doesn't ignore the Guardians armor either though.

Course it does... hotshot lasguns are ap3... and they're elites!

already got dealt with, kinda had a brain fart and was thinking Veterans instead of Stormies.

whilst draigo calgar lilith and all those other fethers are scrapping along comes sly marbo and his satchel charge, ready to dot he lot in one go

and as he doesnt feel emotion he doesnt need to worry about L the E's armour

In terms of gameplay, "normal" 40k would be someone like, say, Abaddon, maybe Draigo. Not really sure to be honest.

If we count Apoc, probably the Hierophant. I don't think An'ggrath could kill it personally.

In the fluff, not counting gods, Draigo. Draigo is a cartoon character, the rules of the universe bend to accomodate his insane world-view, which is how he accomplishes what he does. What I am saying, is he is the 'ardest Ork of all.

F(*&^ING chuck norris...thats who. aka cortez

Chuck Norris is so 5 years ago.

Sean Bean is now the go to bada**.

Old school Yarrick would also have been pretty sweet, back when his forcefield subtracted d6 from the strength of the attack and he kept getting up on a 4+

Ragnarok2070 wrote:

dmthomas7 wrote:All the fluff arguments in this thread are irrelevant. If anyone has seen the TV show they should know that the show does not account for the skill of the warrior, just the weaponry. you would pit the weapons of a squad against the weapons of another squad of the same size. Horde armies would not have their horde advantages. they generally pit long range, short range, close combat and explosives generally. it does not matter how cool they are or the game rules. its strictly based on the most killy weaponry

Ok, I'm game, the show is not based on the warrior holding the weapon but the weapons he is weilding. hmm, that's like saying its not the pilot that flies the plane, but the plane that is being flown.

Bob Hoover, Chuck Yeager, and Robin Olds disproved that concept many times over during Korea and Vietnam. Yeager got in a captured Mig 15 took off and flew mock dogfight against several air force pilots flying the F86 Sabre in the early 50's, in each engagement he outflew the other pilots 9 out of 10 times. The one engagement in which he lost was against Bob Hoover. They switched planes with same pilots that had just tried to take him down in the Sabres flying the Mig 15 and Yeager flying the Sabre, he again took down 9 out of 10 pilots only being bested by Bob Hoover. So it is not the plane that makes the pilot good, but the skill of the pilot with the plane he is in.

in 40k its not the sword that Castellan Crowe weilds that makes him nasty but His Weapon Skill and the luck of the dice roll when he weilds it.

the same thing is true for every other character in the game whether it is Draigo, Mephiston, Lucius, Ghazgkull, Eldrad, Tycho, Grimnar, or an Avatar, all of them have the same chance of rolling 1 or 6 whether it is to hit or to wound. the deciding factor is always how their Weapon Skill stacks up to their opponents Weapon Skill vs their Strength against the opponents Toughness and the lucky roll of the dice. Yeah, the weapon may grant some bonuses, but the wielder has something to do with it as well.

So Mr. Thomas, what do you have to say about it just being the weapon used, and remember your arguing with a person whose Bachelor's Degree is in Military History.

This makes me laugh because i would expect someone with an "education" such as yours to understand that I am pointing out the flaws in their methods. obviously it would be make more sense to account for the skill of the user of the weaponry. However SKILL is such an inconsistent thing to rely upon. Two people can never be the exact same in skill. The only reliable way to gauge the most effective warrior would be to base it strictly on the effectiveness of his weaponry. The best weaponry has the most potential for winning yet still a lucky shot or better skill in the clutch moment could become the deciding factor. I would have expected that someone of such an "education" would have understood that much. By the way I also am pursuing a degree in the same. so next time try to attack someone who doesn't know what their talking about . also at the moment i am posting this reply i am rather drunk and still am coherent enough to understand that your argument on this topic completely misses the point of everything i have posted before hand. Enjoy

dmthomas7 wrote:

Ragnarok2070 wrote:

dmthomas7 wrote:All the fluff arguments in this thread are irrelevant. If anyone has seen the TV show they should know that the show does not account for the skill of the warrior, just the weaponry. you would pit the weapons of a squad against the weapons of another squad of the same size. Horde armies would not have their horde advantages. they generally pit long range, short range, close combat and explosives generally. it does not matter how cool they are or the game rules. its strictly based on the most killy weaponry

Ok, I'm game, the show is not based on the warrior holding the weapon but the weapons he is weilding. hmm, that's like saying its not the pilot that flies the plane, but the plane that is being flown.

Bob Hoover, Chuck Yeager, and Robin Olds disproved that concept many times over during Korea and Vietnam. Yeager got in a captured Mig 15 took off and flew mock dogfight against several air force pilots flying the F86 Sabre in the early 50's, in each engagement he outflew the other pilots 9 out of 10 times. The one engagement in which he lost was against Bob Hoover. They switched planes with same pilots that had just tried to take him down in the Sabres flying the Mig 15 and Yeager flying the Sabre, he again took down 9 out of 10 pilots only being bested by Bob Hoover. So it is not the plane that makes the pilot good, but the skill of the pilot with the plane he is in.

in 40k its not the sword that Castellan Crowe weilds that makes him nasty but His Weapon Skill and the luck of the dice roll when he weilds it.

the same thing is true for every other character in the game whether it is Draigo, Mephiston, Lucius, Ghazgkull, Eldrad, Tycho, Grimnar, or an Avatar, all of them have the same chance of rolling 1 or 6 whether it is to hit or to wound. the deciding factor is always how their Weapon Skill stacks up to their opponents Weapon Skill vs their Strength against the opponents Toughness and the lucky roll of the dice. Yeah, the weapon may grant some bonuses, but the wielder has something to do with it as well.

So Mr. Thomas, what do you have to say about it just being the weapon used, and remember your arguing with a person whose Bachelor's Degree is in Military History.

This makes me laugh because i would expect someone with an "education" such as yours to understand that I am pointing out the flaws in their methods. obviously it would be make more sense to account for the skill of the user of the weaponry. However SKILL is such an inconsistent thing to rely upon. Two people can never be the exact same in skill. The only reliable way to gauge the most effective warrior would be to base it strictly on the effectiveness of his weaponry. The best weaponry has the most potential for winning yet still a lucky shot or better skill in the clutch moment could become the deciding factor. I would have expected that someone of such an "education" would have understood that much. By the way I also am pursuing a degree in the same. so next time try to attack someone who doesn't know what their talking about . also at the moment i am posting this reply i am rather drunk and still am coherent enough to understand that your argument on this topic completely misses the point of everything i have posted before hand. Enjoy

The Death Star's thermal exhaust port. I'm just sayin'... Back on topic, minus the extraneous quasi-esoteric philosophies, please?

Ragnarok2070 wrote:

dmthomas7 wrote:All the fluff arguments in this thread are irrelevant. If anyone has seen the TV show they should know that the show does not account for the skill of the warrior, just the weaponry. you would pit the weapons of a squad against the weapons of another squad of the same size. Horde armies would not have their horde advantages. they generally pit long range, short range, close combat and explosives generally. it does not matter how cool they are or the game rules. its strictly based on the most killy weaponry

Ok, I'm game, the show is not based on the warrior holding the weapon but the weapons he is weilding. hmm, that's like saying its not the pilot that flies the plane, but the plane that is being flown.

Bob Hoover, Chuck Yeager, and Robin Olds disproved that concept many times over during Korea and Vietnam. Yeager got in a captured Mig 15 took off and flew mock dogfight against several air force pilots flying the F86 Sabre in the early 50's, in each engagement he outflew the other pilots 9 out of 10 times. The one engagement in which he lost was against Bob Hoover. They switched planes with same pilots that had just tried to take him down in the Sabres flying the Mig 15 and Yeager flying the Sabre, he again took down 9 out of 10 pilots only being bested by Bob Hoover. So it is not the plane that makes the pilot good, but the skill of the pilot with the plane he is in.

in 40k its not the sword that Castellan Crowe weilds that makes him nasty but His Weapon Skill and the luck of the dice roll when he weilds it.

the same thing is true for every other character in the game whether it is Draigo, Mephiston, Lucius, Ghazgkull, Eldrad, Tycho, Grimnar, or an Avatar, all of them have the same chance of rolling 1 or 6 whether it is to hit or to wound. the deciding factor is always how their Weapon Skill stacks up to their opponents Weapon Skill vs their Strength against the opponents Toughness and the lucky roll of the dice. Yeah, the weapon may grant some bonuses, but the wielder has something to do with it as well.

So Mr. Thomas, what do you have to say about it just being the weapon used, and remember your arguing with a person whose Bachelor's Degree is in Military History.

Go back to your community college snack room, neckbeard. People that drop their level of education to solidify arguments are usually pretty pathetic.

Movac wrote:Go back to your community college snack room, neckbeard. People that drop their level of education to solidify arguments are usually pretty pathetic.

I lol'd... Heartily... and showed a few friends at work. They lol'd, too.



Ghidorah

Ghazzie...

black-rabbit wrote:Chuck Norris is so 5 years ago.

Sean Bean is now the go to bada**.

Old school Yarrick would also have been pretty sweet, back when his forcefield subtracted d6 from the strength of the attack and he kept getting up on a 4+

Unless bean gets shot by arrows

Riddick40k wrote:

black-rabbit wrote:Chuck Norris is so 5 years ago.

Sean Bean is now the go to bada**.

Old school Yarrick would also have been pretty sweet, back when his forcefield subtracted d6 from the strength of the attack and he kept getting up on a 4+

Unless bean gets shot by arrows

Or Sir Ilyn Payne chops his head off!

well it all comes down to how lucky your dice are, sooner or later everyone dies to something.

Doombreed. If Angron respects you, it's probably for a very good reason. And that respect is coming from the guy who has a pair of chainaxes with chainswords for teeth. (Or so I'm told by multiple sources, it may just be a running joke I'm not aware of, but it wouldn't surprise me either way) Khorne's champions are by definition the deadliest, and it's no stretch to say the best of those best is likely someone to look out for on the battlefield.

Also, does Draigo really count since, y'know, Matt Ward? I'm sure he's actually pretty awesome, but as of the GK codex he's suffered a terminal case of Mary Sue

The Swarmlord! For several reasons:
1: He beat Calgnar in a one on one fight
2: He ousmarted the Ultramarines
3: For all intents and purposes, he is immortal since the hive mind can continue to rebirth the Swarmlord with the same memories
4: Four Boneswords looks really really cool

Swarmlord wins!

I had a melta vet squad (on foot mind you) kill vect and his retinue in one round of shooting. Lasguns rapid fire first, he eventually fails one save and then I fire meltas last and poof...pixy dust. The venom on the other hand caused me loads of trouble.

technically thats wrong.

the lasguns and Meltaguns all are fired at the same time and wounds are distrubuted at the same time.

Swiftblade wrote:The Swarmlord! For several reasons:
1: He beat Calgnar in a one on one fight
2: He ousmarted the Ultramarines
3: For all intents and purposes, he is immortal since the hive mind can continue to rebirth the Swarmlord with the same memories
4: Four Boneswords looks really really cool

Swarmlord wins!

Unless it gets shot at

The DE player said he had to roll each save seperate because if he failed one the 2+ went away.

you still roll them all at once.

if he fails one or more of them he loses the 2+ for subsequent rounds.

I've no idea really, but here's the thing - get all your wargaming mates together - get each one to buy/build/paint etc one of said characters. Go head to head gladiator style. Report back and tell us who wins. My money's on the Daemon Angron, if you're allowing characters that aren't strictly in one of the codexs, if not then Skarbrand the exiled one. LET'S GET READY TO RUMBLE!!!

Ah...that just got a little more dangerous to me.

AVATAR!
ok, calgar beat it in fluff, but in terms of in-game, the avatar would beat anything.

p_gray99 wrote:AVATAR!
ok, calgar beat it in fluff, but in terms of in-game, the avatar would beat anything.

Ghaz eats Avatars for breakfast. In-game (non-Apoc), I'd go with the Prophet of the WAAAGH!.

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