Recently all the GW have closed, there is no where for me to play at.
The nearest FGS is also so far away.... every time i go gaming it would take like extra $$ not to mention hours to get there.
Im not saying its not fun to glue stuff with occasional painting but... the effort feels unrewarding.
If i sell some of the warhammer stuff i can raise some funds to buy a dog, and im sure it'll cost less than warhammer in the long run,
( well if i take care of it properly and it doesnt need some open heart surgery )
Its not exactly i have to pick either or, i suppose both works, but i think its just a good chance to cut off warhammer if i do get a dog...
what do you guys think?
As the happy owner of a pair of golden retrievers, I wouldn't trade them for all the models in the world. Mind you, a relative works for Purina, so it's not like I have to pay for their food...
Still, unconditional love vs. a few lumps of plastic? I know which I'm choosing.
I'm not going to suggest you choose between a dog or gaming.
But you don't need a games store to play games. I've been a gamer for over 24 years and never played in a games store. I do go to a local games club now, but mostly I game at home with friends. So if you have friends nearby there really should be no reason to choose between the two. Plus you can buy anything you want cheaper online anyway.
While my family has had a few dogs that I have liked, I don't particularly care for dogs in general. If it was a dog I already knew and liked, it might be different, but there's no way I'd give up a hobby I really enjoy to get a dog who might end up being an absolute monster. Personally I'd recommend a pot-bellied pig, they make way better pets than dogs.
Hordini wrote:While my family has had a few dogs that I have liked, I don't particularly care for dogs in general. If it was a dog I already knew and liked, it might be different, but there's no way I'd give up a hobby I really enjoy to get a dog who might end up being an absolute monster. Personally I'd recommend a pot-bellied pig, they make way better pets than dogs.
As anothe rperson who's had a pot bellied pig as a pet i'd agree that they can make great ones... but i'm disagreeing tis better than dogs, different yes and still have big plus points, but in different ways, dogs are much more loyal and affectionate than my pig was but i did love the pig's personality.
You could get a model of a dog. It's the best of both worlds really.
But as for your hobby, I would suggest trying to organize local events yourself. If not, then encourage some of your friends to do so as well. If the hobby had a strong pulse where you live, try and get it going again.
Laughing Man wrote:As the happy owner of a pair of golden retrievers...
I just had to put mu Golden Retriever to sleep last fall. He had epilepsy, which is pretty common in the breed, but he got cancer in his front leg and withing 5 weeks, he was ruined. Had to put him out of his misery. What a terrible, terrible experience.
The late, great George Carline once said, "Pets are a self-fulfilling tragedy."
LunaHound wrote:Recently all the GW have closed, there is no where for me to play at.
The nearest FGS is also so far away.... every time i go gaming it would take like extra $$ not to mention hours to get there.
Im not saying its not fun to glue stuff with occasional painting but... the effort feels unrewarding.
If i sell some of the warhammer stuff i can raise some funds to buy a dog, and im sure it'll cost less than warhammer in the long run,
( well if i take care of it properly and it doesnt need some open heart surgery )
Its not exactly i have to pick either or, i suppose both works, but i think its just a good chance to cut off warhammer if i do get a dog...
what do you guys think?
Pets are major commitments of time and money. Only get a pet if you're willing and able to do that.
Oh, whats that? Oh yes I've been reminded by Team Wienie to caution you that cats are pure evil, and not the good kind of evil.
I love my dog but he isn't a hobby. He's a cute little bastard that needs almost as much attention as a damn kid. You don't replace a hobby with a pet. They fulfill different needs. That said my dog also keeps me sane, he's a hell of a cute stress reliever.
I'm leery of posting a serious answer, especially with
LunaHound wrote:and im sure it'll cost less than warhammer in the long run,
You wish.
Models you can put down anytime. Animals are an everyday, years long commitment. It's like asking, 'should I buy steak, or a smartphone?' You can't directly compare the two. Are you hungry? Do you really need to be able to call and e-mail?
I will put this politely as it is not a personal criticism more of an observation based on what I've seen with your posts here.
You are something of a butterfly when it comes to wargaming, you have a great many armies up for sale and in posting, you flit from one thing to another in terms of what attracts you and entertains you.
In a hobby like this, if you got the funds to do that, that's entirely fine. It's a bunch of inanimate things that you can pick up and fuss over or ignore in your attic as you want.
A dog or (to a lesser extent) a cat is really not like that. They require a serious commitment for 16 years of your life. A dog is going to require walking regularly, medicating, care and affection all the time. You will have to glean an understanding of dog psychology and be willing to enforce that to ensure your animal is happy. Dogs and cats suffer when people anthropomorphise them, they aren't humans and don't think like us. If you get a dog, you are committing yourself to 16 years of taking care of what is quintessentially a fully mobile quadrupedal toddler with teeth.
I remember that you are not that old. Will the dog remain the family pet when you move out to attend university or a training course? Will he or she go with you when you seek rented housing? Will that dog be happy with the constant moving that a young person tends to do? Will your new love interest approve of the dog? Will the dog approve of the new love interest?
I am asking you to consider the full extent of the commitment a dog will represent and the length of time that you will need to continue to give that same level of commitment.
Hulksmash wrote:I love my dog but he isn't a hobby. He's a cute little bastard that needs almost as much attention as a damn kid. You don't replace a hobby with a pet. They fulfill different needs. That said my dog also keeps me sane, he's a hell of a cute stress reliever.
Tbone and the Shanker are in Houston visiting Gandmother Frazzled for the week again. As of last night, even though there were three dogs and three IDENTICAL bone type dog chews (including dad's old dog), all three would circle which ever one was chewing on one and start whining. Tbone has taken to dragging one around the house even though its as big as him and he can barely move it.
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Medium of Death wrote:Owning a dog is not a hobby.
Everytime my dog "visits" (reads gets watched) other members of my family with their dogs he's just not happy unless all the toys in the house are out of the baskets. And once they are out he'll pick one to take everywhere. It's absurdly cute but just try putting those toys away for more than 15 minutes at a time until he leaves....
Being a person who doesn't really like dogs, I wouldn't get one anyway, but If you want a dog, do both. (but remember- you can go on holiday and leave miniatures behind without them dying)
Everytime my dog "visits" (reads gets watched) other members of my family with their dogs he's just not happy unless all the toys in the house are out of the baskets. And once they are out he'll pick one to take everywhere. It's absurdly cute but just try putting those toys away for more than 15 minutes at a time until he leaves....
Yep. TBone has a toybox now. Its a game they like to play.
Wife and I were going through the list of things to get together in packing them up and it so reinforced the firm belief wiener dogs are just eternal two year olds with special needs. This toy, that toy, beds, this blanket, that blanket, Tbone's pills, their special foods, multiple leashes, jeez.
It makes me rather happy that this has already been said in this thread, but I'll repeat it:
The fact that you're trying to choose between a hobby and a living animal makes me think that you haven't thought this all the way through. I'd really think hard about getting a pet; they're much more high maintenence than wargaming models.
Yeah, when life gets busy, I can put my minis in a box and shelf my paints and simply 'not go game' on conflicting times.
Dogs... well it is like owning a 1 year old that never grows up. You always have to plan around him, take care of him, feed him and it changes your fundamental way you live your life. Sure it can be rewarding, but it isn't quite the same.
If you are already planning to change your life to accommodate a dog and it is simply a financial thing, then yes, you might want to stop wargaming or sell stuff to cover the initial cost of adopting a dog. But make sure it is a Dog you want and not simply 'the idea of a dog'.
If you get a Dog, do your research on what kind of breed you get. Better yet, go to the Local Shelter and pick up a dog that will love you forever if you do.
But your life will change, if you get an Animal, so be prepared for that.
Not trying to drop any hints, but getting a Labrador puppy would be a good idea. But seriously, going on holidays that they dog can't come too for more than a few days sin't going to happen often. At all.
spookman wrote:Being a person who doesn't really like dogs, I wouldn't get one anyway, but If you want a dog, do both. (but remember- you can go on holiday and leave miniatures behind without them dying)
Unless they are finecast and you leave them in a window somewhere
No one seems to have mentioned trhe cost of owning a dog.
The food is one thing but insurance and vets bills from whatever jabs you have to get in are one thing but when the little scamp actually gets ill. It can be quite allot.
It may not be as cheap as yo imagine.
Now if you had of said Cat vs Warhammer thats easy.
Those evil manupulative ponces don't even compare to the joy that you get from those happy little tykes at games workshop.
Anyway just remember a dog is for life (it's probably) and not just for Christmas, were as Warhammer is also for life or I you play for a much shorter undefined period depending on whenever GW revise the rules.
I say pet. Maybe not a dog, not saying dogs aren't great; other pets can be just as rewarding. I had a canary that would whistle to Police albums, and would screech anytime someone would play some pop tartlet's music. It also never tried to chew on any of my models or bat at the dice as a friend and I were playing (which describes some of my cats' antics).
While that may seem to support Team Weinie's view on the evil nature of cats, they have yet to destroy as much terrain or models as my friend's dog. Perhaps we can look on them as misunderstood monsters ala the Godzilla/Gamorah model.
While pet ownership is a serious issue, I think that we put more stock in criticizing would-be pet owners than we do parents. I work in a outlet retail store that sells items that were turned away from second hand stores for not being of good enough quality and/or safe. Customers let their toddlers run about unattended all the time, often watching the 'younger' siblings they have with them. Many of the things we have include knives, sharp edges, and broken glass. Yet, I hear more criticism of someone thinking about getting a pet than I do any of the parents in a given year.
To put this in a more positive light, I would be disturbed if the post was "Just got a dog today, was this a good idea or not?". I think most of us posting here have the wherewith-all to rise to the occasion of pet-ownership. Imagine what great modellers we would all be if our models could make sounds indicating what they like and dislike. "Who's a golden daemon? Who's a golden daemon? That's right, you're my golden daemon."
My friend's dog is like a 5 year old. He's smart enough to know that he's not supposed to eat terrain or models, but savvy enough to keep that thought that he wants to in his head. He will try every trick in the book to get at them, if he's in a mind to do so.
Mostly, we just keep have a second or third about to keep him busy while we play. Also, finding better, more secure, hiding places for hobby materials was a much more necessary and useful step. He just about has a handle on door-knobs.
@MGS, Redbeard:
Its hard for me to do both, as i mentioned i dont have too many places to game at anymore. So in a way, im looking for an excuse to get myself out of this hobby.
I do find the hobby fun and enjoy it, but as MGS mentioned, i have zero loyalties to my army and my projects.
Because i cant really game with it anymore, i lose interest or focus on them over time, or till the next shinny thing catches my interest.
That and i feel my time and effort invested into the hobby cant yield any results.
All the time i spend on assembling , prepping, and occasionally painting, and due to GW's senseless pricing on GW Canada,
i get nothing for those work i did. In fact it actually lowers the value people offers :'<
Sometimes i get happy looking at the stuff i've finished, then reality sets in as when i try to sell it online, no one buys it. Then it hits me like im either delusional or a fool.
I know dogs cannot be compared to warhamer / hobby. The only reason i placed them side by side ( sorry :x) Is i plan on getting it without my mom's agreement.
She should have no complaints if i use the money i spent on "toys" on a dog instead, instead of actual savings.
I had a dog a long time ago, my dad bought it for guarding purpose since back then only me and my mom live alone as hes always in another country.
one day it ate a bag of mom's slug killer. When i came home i couldnt find it, eventually i found it hidden under a rose bush which i initially thought his collar was tangled with the bush ,
then i realized he was convulsing , no doubt from the poison, in a pool of mud and probably pee. It was a rainy day i'll never forget, he was so heavy as i carried it and ran knocking from door to door calling for help.
Eventually someone was home and drove us to the pet hospital, which the doctor said his chance of surviving is only 30% , even if he lives there is 90% he will suffer from permanent brain damage.
Thank god though, in 2 days it recovered, and was more energetic than ever. But that incident, we had to give the dog away.
Back then, i was blamed for the incident, though i dont think the slug bait should be left in the open either. I dont know, i accepted that it was my lack of care that this happened.
But for so many years now, and from watching the dog wisperer 2 episodes per day, i feel im ready to give it another try.
lord_blackfang wrote:If you're considering buying a living creature as a hobby replacement for Warhammer, please don't.
Indeed.
But if you want to own a dog to have a great bond with an animal and have a companion that will always love you back, please do. I would never trade my cat for any amount of models, my warhammer models just won't crawl into my arms at 2:00 and start purring because they want love and warmth.
Luna from what you said what happened to your dog was an accident, and even if it was your fault I'm pretty sure you have grown up since all those years. In the end only you know if you can care for a living creature, if you can it is very rewarding, but if you neglect the animal you will see it suffer and you will have to endure it - it is not a good experience.
Hey Luna, just move out here to Southern Ontario, No matter where you live in Southern Ontario, there's a gaming store less then two hours away! And the closer you live to the shores of Lake Ontario, even close to stores. I live in Hamilton, and I know of at least 6 within an hour drive to me, and 2 of those are within 20 minutes! Not to mention there's also a lot of other places that sell a little cheaper(even if they don't have enough space in the store for gaming)
It would all depend on what army he/she played! More of a cat person myself but if you want a dog and would be able to care for it as much as it needs, get a dog. Get a cat. Hours of fun trying to work out if the cat is thinking you're stupid, why it only appears when there is food on offer and leaves soon after, on a cold night why won't it come in while you freeze your ass off shouting on it, yeah get a dog instead...
I dont know what to think about cats, stray cats seems nicer to me than friend's cats. I used to play pull their tail or poke them when they are under the cars to hide from heat.
But my friend's cats scratches me if i sit on the sofa or if i try to pet them -_-
Or a bird ( i like birds but i dont like they cant be potty trained )
I would even settle for a $20 lizard .But it ended in disaster last time.
I'm agreeing with MGS. You should not get a pet at this point in your life. You're a bit too flighty for proper pet care. These are living beings, and not hobbies. Thats ok, if I recollect you're abit of a kid and thats normal.
Medium of Death wrote:Your family has already given a dog away because you failed to look after it.
Now you feel you are ready because you've watched the dog whisperer?
Spoiler:
Explain how even someone like you, could have prevented that incident.
Not to be too pointed about ana ccident in the past, but Crate training is a pretty good option. Dogs aren't real well equipped to deal with all the weird stuff humans put in their environments. it really is like having a small child around: everything goes in their mouth, they sometimes seem to try to kill themselves out of misplaced curiosity, etc.
An unexpected vet bill can make a Warhammer army look cheap.
If you're not the one in control of your living conditions, adding a pet is not something I'd recommend doing without everyone involved being OK with the idea.
I love my dog, but he's a lot of work for me and my girlfriend. The first few months I was run ragged as I drove home at lunch time (half hour each way) to give him a break. Long lunches, plus that doubled my gas bills for a couple months. Now he's still at the point where I have to balance 'my' time with 'his' time. I regualrly sit down to do something at home and have to stop to take care of him be it a call of nature or just playtime.
LunaHound wrote:
Explain how even someone like you, could have prevented that incident.
Not leaving a bag of poisonous substance lying around is a good start...
I cant check what my mom puts in the garden 24/7 , i can only warn her not to place anything dangerous near where the dog had access to, which i did.
Infact she placed it there at lunch time, which i came home after school when it happend. Which was within 3 hours.
So yes, thank you for advise, wait, no.
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nectarprime wrote:I would honestly pass on a pet. Pick up a musical instrument.
LunaHound wrote:
Explain how even someone like you, could have prevented that incident.
Not leaving a bag of poisonous substance lying around is a good start...
I cant check what my mom puts in the garden 24/7 , i can only warn her not to place anything dangerous near where the dog had access to, which i did.
Infact she placed it there at lunch time, which i came home after school when it happend. Which was within 3 hours.
So yes, thank you for advise, wait, no.
Sounds like your mother isn't responsible enough for a pet. Just kids.
Man. This is one train wreck of a thread. Don't get a dog, please. Or a cat. Get a fish, if you must have a pet, but don't put the bowl too close to the stove.
I voted Dog because the amount of enjoyment i get from a pet is far more than my warhammer.
However you have to make sure you're capable of giving a dog a good life. They are expensive and very time consuming pets- they require constant attention and if anything does go wrong a vets bill will make buying models seem a lot less expensive.
I would reccomend trying out a smaller / less active pet first. I've had family dogs around my whole life and I would still be very careful about getting my own one. There are a lot of animals that make much easier pets to care for. Any pet which can be kept in a cage is much easier to look after.
Fish is actually a pretty good idea. I strongly recommend Siamese Fighting Fish as pets, as they're pretty hardy and cleaner than the goldfish. I used to work at a pet store, and people would get a kid a $.25 goldfish and wonder why it died in a couple weeks. Sure, the Beta was $5 or so, but did as well if not better in a small bowl.
Medium of Death wrote:Your family has already given a dog away because you failed to look after it.
Now you feel you are ready because you've watched the dog whisperer?
Spoiler:
Explain how even someone like you, could have prevented that incident.
You don't leave out items that can kill a pet or a child. Its helpful to know this before you have children as well. Any kind of poison, oil based paint, fertilizers, or pesticide.
Frazzled wrote:
You don't leave out items that can kill a pet or a child. Its helpful to know this before you have children as well. Any kind of poison, oil based paint, fertilizers, or pesticide.
Hobby knives, paint, paint water (when painting with metalics), super glue, and other miniature hobby supplies. Put these away in a drawer after use and shut your door if you have to leave your room. EVERY time.
4M2A wrote:I voted Dog because the amount of enjoyment i get from a pet is far more than my warhammer.
However you have to make sure you're capable of giving a dog a good life. They are expensive and very time consuming pets- they require constant attention and if anything does go wrong a vets bill will make buying models seem a lot less expensive.
I would reccomend trying out a smaller / less active pet first. I've had family dogs around my whole life and I would still be very careful about getting my own one. There are a lot of animals that make much easier pets to care for. Any pet which can be kept in a cage is much easier to look after.
What are you looking for in a pet?
A dog is ideal for me as companion for morning and night jogs. I really dont feel safe at night since Canada = trees everywhere.
Also im always alone in the house ( there was a break in before ) it really freaked me out.
So i guess it needs to be loyal and responsive to situations ( though thats my job to train it or have it trained )
It should be loving ( i heard cats choose to be out most of the day, so i dont want to imprison them lol, so no cats )
LunaHound wrote:
I play piano ( lvl 5 ) , have violin and erhu.
Its not the same as a hobby or a pet.
Oh so you make money as a musician?
Yes, playing an instrument is a hobby, unless it's a job. I really don't recommend getting a pet. It's a real life change.
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hob·by
1    [hob-ee] Show IPA
–noun, plural -bies.
1.
an activity or interest pursued for pleasure or relaxation and not as a main occupation
2.
a child's hobbyhorse.
3.
Archaic . a small horse.
Nope, me playing instrument does not fall under any of those descriptions.
So not a hobby.
LunaHound wrote:
I play piano ( lvl 5 ) , have violin and erhu.
Its not the same as a hobby or a pet.
Oh so you make money as a musician?
Yes, playing an instrument is a hobby, unless it's a job. I really don't recommend getting a pet. It's a real life change.
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hob·by
1    [hob-ee] Show IPA
–noun, plural -bies.
1.
an activity or interest pursued for pleasure or relaxation and not as a main occupation
2.
a child's hobbyhorse.
3.
Archaic . a small horse.
Nope, me playing instrument does not fall under any of those descriptions.
So not a hobby.
So you get no pleasure from playing an instrument? Then why do it?
Frazzled wrote:You don't leave out items that can kill a pet or a child. Its helpful to know this before you have children as well. Any kind of poison, oil based paint, fertilizers, or pesticide.
Warhammer is awesome. You can build a social life around it. Without Warhammer you can socialize by... ah... talking about work and drinking lemonade or something. Or watching movies, I guess, which is not social, really. Or... eating... food.
Boring!
Dogs are a LOT of money. Try hundreds of dollars a year. Warhammer is only money when you CHOOSE to buy new models. Nothing stops you from just playing with what you have. But if your dog suddenly needs a $1000 vet visit, whaddyagonnado? Not go?
That's my point.
You know what costs even MORE money? Old dogs. The kind that suddenly need constant healthcare. Puppykins has arthritus? Or kittypie has lieukemia? Guess what? Get your wallet ready. Because that's the responsibility you signed up for when you brought the animal home.
Frazzled wrote:
You don't leave out items that can kill a pet or a child. Its helpful to know this before you have children as well. Any kind of poison, oil based paint, fertilizers, or pesticide.
Hobby knives, paint, paint water (when painting with metalics), super glue, and other miniature hobby supplies. Put these away in a drawer after use and shut your door if you have to leave your room. EVERY time.
Shutting the door works perfectly, unless you have a dog that chews through doors. Unfortunately, I have experienced this scenario three times already, which has contributed greatly to my general dislike of dogs.
LunaHound wrote:Hmm guess American families are different.
But cant be that rare that it cant be guessed?
Its a simple definitional issue.
1. Do you get paid to play an instrument(s)?
2. If not, are you in a school band?
3. If neither A or B is accurate, its a hobby. You can be psycho obsessed with it and brilliant like BB King, but it remains an amateur (for the love of the game) hobby.
Dogs can be social too. Since we got our dog, back in November, we know a lot more people in our neighborhood. The dog needs to socialize with other dogs, so walks are scheduled with other neighbors who also have dogs that get along. Dogs need time to just run. We've got one of the larger yards, and it's not uncommon for someone else to bring their dog over to play in our yard, and watch them tear around for a while.
But, as mentioned, they're expensive too. Obedience classes are $20/week. Food, treats, toys - and puppies go through toys ridiculously fast - all adds up. My wife and I both work, so there's a dog walker who comes in for a lunchtime peebreak and walk. We have pet insurance too ($35/month, covers any serious problem, but not routine vet visits).
They're a lot of fun, but they're needy and expensive too. He's one of the reasons I find it funny how people say toy soldiers are expensive.
LunaHound wrote:Hmm guess American families are different.
But cant be that rare that it cant be guessed?
Its a simple definitional issue.
1. Do you get paid to play an instrument(s)?
2. If not, are you in a school band?
3. If neither A or B is accurate, its a hobby. You can be psycho obsessed with it and brilliant like BB King, but it remains an amateur (for the love of the game) hobby.
4. I have to because it looks good as an accessory for parents.
Redbeard wrote:Dogs can be social too. Since we got our dog, back in November, we know a lot more people in our neighborhood. The dog needs to socialize with other dogs, so walks are scheduled with other neighbors who also have dogs that get along. Dogs need time to just run. We've got one of the larger yards, and it's not uncommon for someone else to bring their dog over to play in our yard, and watch them tear around for a while.
But, as mentioned, they're expensive too. Obedience classes are $20/week. Food, treats, toys - and puppies go through toys ridiculously fast - all adds up. My wife and I both work, so there's a dog walker who comes in for a lunchtime peebreak and walk. We have pet insurance too ($35/month, covers any serious problem, but not routine vet visits).
They're a lot of fun, but they're needy and expensive too. He's one of the reasons I find it funny how people say toy soldiers are expensive.
But the value and worth of a living creature cant be compared to inanimate toys >.< even though they might be both fun.
So i still think toy soldier is expensive
Redbeard wrote:Dogs can be social too. Since we got our dog, back in November, we know a lot more people in our neighborhood. The dog needs to socialize with other dogs, so walks are scheduled with other neighbors who also have dogs that get along. Dogs need time to just run. We've got one of the larger yards, and it's not uncommon for someone else to bring their dog over to play in our yard, and watch them tear around for a while.
Definitely. LunaHound, if you do end up getting a dog, please be serious about socializing it! make sure once it's old enough (10 weeks is recommended by many) it gets to be handled by and play with as many different people and dogs as possible.
I also credit the dog for helping my general health. In addition to controlling my diet, I've lost a ton of weight in part due to walking the dog several times a day.
Redbeard wrote:But, as mentioned, they're expensive too. Obedience classes are $20/week. Food, treats, toys - and puppies go through toys ridiculously fast - all adds up. My wife and I both work, so there's a dog walker who comes in for a lunchtime peebreak and walk. We have pet insurance too ($35/month, covers any serious problem, but not routine vet visits).
They're a lot of fun, but they're needy and expensive too. He's one of the reasons I find it funny how people say toy soldiers are expensive.
Also agreed. As has been said, it's also an unexpected expense... Dog eats something it shouldn't and it gets stuck, it's a sudden several hundred dollar bill.
LunaHound wrote:Hmm guess American families are different.
But cant be that rare that it cant be guessed?
Its a simple definitional issue.
1. Do you get paid to play an instrument(s)?
2. If not, are you in a school band?
3. If neither A or B is accurate, its a hobby. You can be psycho obsessed with it and brilliant like BB King, but it remains an amateur (for the love of the game) hobby.
4. I have to because it looks good as an accessory for parents.
Thats ablinding not answer, which itself answers it. If you were making money you'd say so. Its a hobby. Why is this so hard for you to answer without the faux emo drama statements? Jeez teenagers tire me out.
My boy does percussion in band. It is school and an obsession, and in the future may lead to excellent employment prospects, but is not a job currently.
Rodney the Shanker is 4-0 on the weiner dog vs. snake pit fighting challenge, even so far as to do a drive by on a rattler that surprised me, Tbone, and Genghis Connie. Thats a good dog!
If you're getting a reptile get an iguana, just because they struck me as epic cool. Plus, when I was on my honeymoon in Mexico, sitting by the bay and a wild ignuana just climbed up on my arm and sunned himself for a good thirty minutes before moseying on. You da man lizard boyyyy.
LunaHound wrote:Hmm guess American families are different.
But cant be that rare that it cant be guessed?
Its a simple definitional issue.
1. Do you get paid to play an instrument(s)?
2. If not, are you in a school band?
3. If neither A or B is accurate, its a hobby. You can be psycho obsessed with it and brilliant like BB King, but it remains an amateur (for the love of the game) hobby.
4. I have to because it looks good as an accessory for parents.
Thats ablinding not answer, which itself answers it. If you were making money you'd say so. Its a hobby. Why is this so hard for you to answer without the faux emo drama statements? Jeez teenagers tire me out.
My boy does percussion in band. It is school and an obsession, and in the future may lead to excellent employment prospects, but is not a job currently.
So....
an activity or interest pursued for pleasure or relaxation and not as a main occupation
You are saying, as long as i do an activity thats not an occupation, despite it not been pleasuring or relaxing , its still categorized as hobby?
It wasnt faux emo, i just thought my situation didnt even fit 50% of that description.
I've never had pets and I'm allergic to cats. But if I ever have a pet, it would be a dog. An adopted dog, not a bought one. There are many puppies over there wich need a home, and wich probable are more willing to be grateful to their owners, compared to some expensive bad-mannered furries I've seen.
After PM discussion with Luna, I get whats she's trying to say. Its a required school/parent activity. Lets move on as its not perquiiste to the topic and I now demand pics of dogs drinking from water hoses!
As a musician, I'd like to say that it's a shame that kids see music as a chore... it's such a huge, great part of my life, and I honestly feel sad that others are not as fortunate.
nectarprime wrote:As a musician, I'd like to say that it's a shame that kids see music as a chore... it's such a huge, great part of my life, and I honestly feel sad that others are not as fortunate.
/OT
I think its clearly seen by your posts so far, you are pretty tunnel visioned in what you perceive of others.
First, You ever considered not everyone enjoy the same things? So you enjoy music, so you had fun growing up learning it. And eventually you turn that into a job, great! good for you!
but what makes you assume everyone share the same interest in music? or even better, what makes you think everyone would like the same specific instruments i listed?
Because i surely never get to choose, piano and violin are picked for me as they are supposed to be the most popular and elegant instrument in my parent's point of view.
nectarprime wrote:As a musician, I'd like to say that it's a shame that kids see music as a chore... it's such a huge, great part of my life, and I honestly feel sad that others are not as fortunate.
/OT
Of the musicians I have met, most treat this more as a calling. Few people have the desire to practice, and make that a central focus of thir life.
Whats interesting is that with current technology, we're seeing a pull away from musicality and the need for that level of work and expertise, to a more pure compositional point. When you can make up a symphany on a keyboard/computer without instrumentation, it opens up new avenues for the future. Dubstep is an example of that.
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LunaHound wrote:
nectarprime wrote:As a musician, I'd like to say that it's a shame that kids see music as a chore... it's such a huge, great part of my life, and I honestly feel sad that others are not as fortunate.
/OT
I think its clearly seen by your posts so far, you are pretty tunnel visioned in what you perceive of others.
First, You ever considered not everyone enjoy the same things? So you enjoy music, so you had fun growing up learning it. And eventually you turn that into a job, great! good for you!
but what makes you assume everyone share the same interest in music? or even better, what makes you think everyone would like the same specific instruments i listed?
Because i surely never get to choose, piano and violin are picked for me as they are supposed to be the most popular and elegant instrument in my parent's point of view.
If only you had been introduced to the kazoo in time. All this could have been avoided!
nectarprime wrote:As a musician, I'd like to say that it's a shame that kids see music as a chore... it's such a huge, great part of my life, and I honestly feel sad that others are not as fortunate.
/OT
I think its clearly seen by your posts so far, you are pretty tunnel visioned in what you perceive of others.
First, You ever considered not everyone enjoy the same things? So you enjoy music, so you had fun growing up learning it. And eventually you turn that into a job, great! good for you!
but what makes you assume everyone share the same interest in music? or even better, what makes you think everyone would like the same specific instruments i listed?
Because i surely never get to choose, piano and violin are picked for me as they are supposed to be the most popular and elegant instrument in my parent's point of view.
While not my fulltime job, I still make a little money at it, but I still wouldn't call it a "job".
What do your parents say about you getting a dog?
From your posts so far, I see that you seem very angry at any one who questions you. Some day you may understand why your parents want you to play an instrument.
LunaHound wrote:The weiner dogs you have are always indoors right?
Im thinking of getting the indoor type , short hair.
Considering Beagle or Jack Russell Terrier
Beagles and Jack Russells are both pretty active dogs. Expect that you will lose a couple hours a day to them, at least at first, as they can be pretty active. And Beagles are hound (albeit small ones)s, so be prepared for the baying.
On the the plus side they're smaller breeds, so can be easier to handle.
LunaHound wrote:The weiner dogs you have are always indoors right?
Im thinking of getting the indoor type , short hair.
Considering Beagle or Jack Russell Terrier
They are more indoors than outdoors, but thats a function of 1) until two weeks ago, all three sides of the fence were propped up with other boards; 2) Tbone is older than dirt and has seizures if not carefully controlled; 3) it was 105 yesterday; 4) Team Wienie likes it some sofa.
I would in NO WAY suggest a wiener dog. They are high maintenance. Russels are a bit nuts and need lots of exercise. AS noted, in your circumnstances I would not suggest a dog or cat. If anything, birds and fish require substantially less care.
Careful with smaller dogs. They are generally not good first time dogs as most are extremely stubborn and require a ton of training. Beagles are more of a medium sized dog. Not sure what type of dog to suggest as a lot of it has to do with lifestyle if you aren't gonna go for one of the bigger breeds where Goldens and Labs are always easy choices
nectarprime wrote:As a musician, I'd like to say that it's a shame that kids see music as a chore... it's such a huge, great part of my life, and I honestly feel sad that others are not as fortunate.
/OT
I think its clearly seen by your posts so far, you are pretty tunnel visioned in what you perceive of others.
First, You ever considered not everyone enjoy the same things? So you enjoy music, so you had fun growing up learning it. And eventually you turn that into a job, great! good for you!
but what makes you assume everyone share the same interest in music? or even better, what makes you think everyone would like the same specific instruments i listed?
Because i surely never get to choose, piano and violin are picked for me as they are supposed to be the most popular and elegant instrument in my parent's point of view.
While not my fulltime job, I still make a little money at it, but I still wouldn't call it a "job".
From your posts so far, I see that you seem very angry at any one who questions you. Some day you may understand why your parents want you to play an instrument.
Im not angry, i just have like.... no reason to be respectful towards your rude posts : )
The mods helped you already earlier by editing your rude posts in the other thread. I think you should take that as a que to follow the #1 rule?
Someday i'll understand why my parents want me to play instrument? You know, anyone with half a brain knows what you are implying.
Do not get a Jack Russel as your first dog. You need to be experienced training, and constant exercise.
I have one right now, and without my previous experience, it would have be tough. You really need to do your research into what kind of breed you are getting.
EDIT: You know, the more I read this thread, the more I think you are not ready to handle a dog, I don't think you've really done any research into this matter, and you said yourself you planned on getting it without your parents permission. This just doesn't seem like the proper environment to harbor an animal
Sasori wrote:Do not get a Jack Russel as your first dog. You need to be experienced training, and constant exercise.
I have one right now, and without my previous experience, it would have be tough. You really need to do your research into what kind of breed you are getting.
Jack Russels are cool. Once the Wiener Legions have established the New Order, Jack Russels will be gifted with the status of speed freeks so that they can motorvate to their heart's content.
Balance wrote:...Not that there aren't some advantages to looking for a mutt or crossbreed that might be looking for a home.
I like mutts, as they are usually very smart.
My first pick would be visiting 3 local SPCAs , the chance of finding pure bread is really low :'P
and im sort of intimidated to get pit bulls or rottweilers.
As for socializing young dog / puppy, yes i have that ready, im surrounded by neighbors all with dogs xD
Balance wrote:...Not that there aren't some advantages to looking for a mutt or crossbreed that might be looking for a home.
I like mutts, as they are usually very smart.
My first pick would be visiting 3 local SPCAs , the chance of finding pure bread is really low :'P
and im sort of intimidated to get pit bulls or rottweilers.
As for socializing young dog / puppy, yes i have that ready, im surrounded by neighbors all with dogs xD
They need to be physically around other dogs to socialize properly, as well as with their master. Staring at dogs through a fence is antisocialization. Dog parks etc are an ideal situation. Again, this is not a good option for your or the dog though.
Balance wrote:...Not that there aren't some advantages to looking for a mutt or crossbreed that might be looking for a home.
I like mutts, as they are usually very smart.
My first pick would be visiting 3 local SPCAs , the chance of finding pure bread is really low :'P
and im sort of intimidated to get pit bulls or rottweilers.
As for socializing young dog / puppy, yes i have that ready, im surrounded by neighbors all with dogs xD
They need to be physically around other dogs to socialize properly, as well as with their master. Staring at dogs through a fence is antisocialization. Dog parks etc are an ideal situation. Again, this is not a good option for your or the dog though.
Yes, i'll bring them over for them to play. I mentioned im surrounded by neighbor with dogs, just to give you idea of how many people have dog as pets in the neighborhood.
WarOne wrote:Either way, I think you have sufficient answers to make a decision going forward.
Now do you have approval to get a pet if you live in a household where you don't have the choice left to you unless aproved by parents/landlord/ect.?
Its abit complicated without getting into it, but generally yes i have approval.
LunaHound wrote:The mods helped you already earlier by editing your rude posts in the other thread. I think you should take that as a que to follow the #1 rule?
So should you. Again, both of you knock it off. If you're going to follow each other around reporting each other's posts when you're both being snarky, we're just as likely to remove the problem completely. Behave, or put each other on ignore.
LunaHound wrote:The mods helped you already earlier by editing your rude posts in the other thread. I think you should take that as a que to follow the #1 rule?
So should you. Again, both of you knock it off. If you're going to follow each other around reporting each other's posts when you're both being snarky, we're just as likely to remove the problem completely. Behave, or put each other on ignore.
I have been polite, i only changed my tones after his multiple attacks.
But of course that falls under takes 2 to tango , ne?
Frazzled wrote:This thread needs a holy conversion:
Or Demonic possession...
....Also, I must second (third?) those who have advised against getting a Jack Russel if your unfamilar with training dogs.
Jack Russels require a great deal of time and paitence....plus, they can be VERY destructive.
Where are you in... say, 10 years? You can put away your Warhammer-stuff and move to another city, or another country. Exponentially harder once you have a pet to care for.
I take it you're pretty young. Do you have any plans for college? Do you want to travel?
I'm not gonna say "don't get a dog". I got two cats, they are the love of my life. But it's still a commitment, a long term commitment. And, depending on what kind of dog/pet you get. It can be pretty expensive, can you afford that or do your parents have to chip in (with all that brings). I spend more on my cats (vet's, food, etc) per year than I do on my hobbies combined.
Now, if you're set on a dog, get a Boerboel. Coolest dogs ever!
This one I'll answer in most seriousness. Dogs are happier with other dogs around the house. My aunt and my mother both have 3 dogs a piece and both sets just thrive off eachother. They're always messing around with eachother and keeping eachother company.
Dogs are pack animals and they enjoy the pack. When old age hit the pack at my mom's house and she was down to just one animal it acted very lonely. When more dogs were introduced into the household, the "lonely" dog started acting much more lively because of the new dogs.
Anyways that's just my experience talking....I'm no Cesar Milan (who also says dogs enjoys packs).
After reading the thread, the primary recommendations I will make are don't get a puppy, and get a dog that is already (at least mostly) trained. Like others have said, while having any kind of dog is a big commitment, getting a puppy or a dog you will have to train yourself increases the difficulty of that commitment exponentially.
If you get a pet, you will invest a lot of time, effort, and money into it, and it will undoubtedly frustrate you more than make you feel a sense of accomplishment. Also, it's just going to die in a few years and bring you great tragedy.
Warhammer figures last longer than pets do, they give you more of a sense of accomplishment when you complete them (note that if you never complete anything, of course it's not going to feel rewarding!), and they are just as much of a social hobby as keeping a pet (even if finding games may be difficult in your area). I'm surprised you didn't try to get people's numbers from your local FLGS before it shut down so you could try to organize friendly games when it was gone.
lord_blackfang wrote:If you're considering buying a living creature as a hobby replacement for Warhammer, please don't.
I have to agree with this sentiment, if you are looking to replace ahobby, i would get a fish tank instead.
However, if you are leaving wargaming, and want a real pet as a complete change of lifestyle, then a dog might be a good way to go, there are so many breeds that are "easy" to maintain, so just do your research and think carefully about all of it.
In all seriousness, I would suggest that the OP is not quite mature enough to be responsible for another life, especially that of a dog. They are high-maintenance pets.
Speaking of which, I'd better go and walk Lucky-Boo....
I love dogs, I haven't got one now because I work full time and I don't think its right to leave them locked in the house for 8-9 hours a day on their own.
If you cant commit to a full time relationship to your dog, I wouldn't recommend it.
Id say 50% of parents are gak parents, and its about the same percentage for dog owners, If your not willing to put the effort in, stick with the space marines.
Thats why, as much as I like dogs and kids, I aint got any.
Im a perfectionist. Id rather not have any that be gak at something for a change.
. Almost 3-to-1 in favor of the dog. Who can resist a dog?
