I really like the look of the magical vortex tower thing.
Might get one.

I got quite suprised by the amount of plastic they are releasing. At first i tought the mages and all monsters were finecast... nice to see them i plastic, even thou I dont have anything aginst finecast. Easier to work with.

Btw anyone know a good hooded head to use on the necromancer?

Im also happy to see a dark elf dragon, looks like there are lots of nice bitz on the sprues.

I LOVE plasitc. So much easyer to work with than any other material.

I too thought they were finecast, at first, but I am so pleased that GW have managed to do something right for a change.

Moopy wrote:

Foda_Bett wrote:Where did the vortex templates go?

I bet they sold out. Limited quantities go fast- I got one confirmed on an order.

Kinda a fail release if the items are not available in less than 24 hours.

Bloodwin wrote:

Omegus wrote:Where is that from, and who do I have to feth to get one?

Its from Banebeasts (Maelstrom Games) and costs £80.99 as opposed to the Citadel one which is £25.50. I like the paint job on the Banebeast one but I'd be hard pressed to do a decent job of it myself. Also I find the Banebeast model to be a bit static for me. I love the goat's head on it but the rest is a bit meh. (Idont get the crocodile head and there are many models and statues of lions if I really felt the need for one. I'd rather buy the Citadel one and then sort the dragon head out using the alternative Dark Elf Dragon head. But I'm going to wait until I see the SoM rulebooks to see what special abilities the monsters have. I already have an HPA for my skaven and am holding out for a Ghorgon for my Beastmen. I'll be trying to get hold of the limited edition items but I'm not fussed about buying the monsters right now as I'm still busy painting my Skaven force.

I like Banebeasts as luxury display items but for something thats going to get handled a lot in games I'd rather have the cheaper one.

Thanks for the link, some solid stuff there. Euryalia would make an awesome Slaaneshi Daemon Princess.

Pyri wrote: I got quite suprised by the amount of plastic they are releasing. At first i tought the mages and all monsters were finecast... nice to see them i plastic, even thou I dont have anything aginst finecast. Easier to work with.

Btw anyone know a good hooded head to use on the necromancer?

Im also happy to see a dark elf dragon, looks like there are lots of nice bitz on the sprues.

Looking at the Necromancer, I wouldn't be at all surprised if it's compatible with the Empire Wizards, and indeed the bloke on the Corpse Cart.


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Also worth pointing out, though I think it's pretty much a given, looks like Ogres will be creeping out obscurity before long.

White Dwarf mentions their Cataclysm Spells, and says Ogres use 'The Lore Of The Great Maw'.

I know, not exactly earth shattering, but added to the current lack of Finecast, it's pretty encouraging that they'll be out this year.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

There is no amount of paint jobs/camera angles/smoke and mirrors that can cover up what ugly bloody minis those monsters are.

lol this is so true. You'll come out with a better effect just gluing a Todd Mcfarlane dragon to a base and putting a dark elf on top.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:


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There is no amount of paint jobs/camera angles/smoke and mirrors that can cover up what ugly bloody minis those monsters are. They are all 'not very good'. Given Trish (Carden/Morrison)'s Carmine Dragon on Warhammer Forge and how much I like it, I can only guess she was very rushed for these things.

With the exception of the stairwell, the rest of the terrain is goofy, immature and daft. It's like old He-Man toys.

The wizards, on the other hand, are all bloody excellent. The Dark Elf and Tzeentch ones especially. Nelson is on top of the game, just like Goodwin.

I actually quite prefer the GW one. And at about 1/2 the price.

Had old He-man toys when I was young, they didn't look like this terrain...but hey meaningless hyperbole is fun, right?

Had old He-man toys when I was young

Funny you should say that.

I saw some dragon type monsters in Pounland the other day. Might be a tad small (5" approx iirc) but given that my first thought on seeing these images was, "They look like toys" ...

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:

Had old He-man toys when I was young

Funny you should say that.

I saw some dragon type monsters in Pounland the other day. Might be a tad small (5" approx iirc) but given that my first thought on seeing these images was, "They look like toys" ...

Pics? Comparisons?

"They look like toys" is an easily dismissive way to bash anything that requires no justification. If you don't like the aesthetic you don't like the aesthetic, but I don't really see how much of this release looks more or less like "toys" than most of GW's releases, and if you just don't like GW aesthetic, well why would you even bother to keep posting?

Everybody keeps stroking this new Infinity game, which to me looks like cheap anime crap, but I don't sit on whatever infinity threads are out there to dog on them.

I really feel like bitching about GW is almost as big a hobby as playing GW...what a sad little world some people live in.

On topic-great looking figs and release. Looks like I need about 250 to give to GW this time around (the SoM and spellbook, Manticore, Chimera, the chaos wizards and both terrain sets)

Here is my summary:

the new plastic kits liking them all tzeentch one is the worst but still isn't bad the normal sorcerer im gonna get and stick a archon head on it for the full armour look

templates and dice can never have to many

i like the chimera kit mainly in dark blue as shown as the reptile head doesn't take center stage

the black dragon is beasty the alternate head is the better of the two and new parts and conversions make taking the kit viable

cockatrice is very nice only fault is the legs there to high to be realistic but to low to be arm like but an easy conversion maybe

overall seem pretty good the scenary might need a little work but the base is ok to work with and painting is important

"They look like toys" is an easily dismissive way to bash anything that requires no justification. If you don't like the aesthetic you don't like the aesthetic, but I don't really see how much of this release looks more or less like "toys" than most of GW's releases, and if you just don't like GW aesthetic, well why would you even bother to keep posting?

The comparison is already there and has subsequently reappered several times since MGS posted it.
You may not agree with me and think they are hyperreal representations of mythical beasts if you like.
That is fine and you are entitled to your opinion.

Read my posts above and tell me where I have stated that I dislike GW aesthetic as a whole?
I suggest that anyone would interpret my postings as indicative of a model by model critique, which is how I approach the issue.

In my estimation the photos show a model that is toy like in terms of softness of form and in the stylisation of the paintwork and colours chosen.
Just because it is a product of the Holy and Infallible Games Workshop doesn't mean it automatically is a work of genius as far as I'm concerned.

It's an odd piece butI have a friend who want to do that cockatrice for demon (he has 17 demons so it should be good) and I have a feeling if he does it then I would like it then because seldom honestly do the EAVY Metal people do models like that justice. Namely because they are painting for a certain style that is quick and meant to be easily altered by photoshop.

Chowderhead wrote:The head of the Manticore makes me want to cry for mommy.

Although, I could use the rider...

If you want to you could buy it and give me the Manticore

These models are interesting, I adore the Necromancer and the Sorceress, their both beautiful sculpts in my eyes. The Chaos Sorcerer Lord looks a bit weird, there's not much wrong with it beyond the horns, but compared to the other Sorcerers from Chaos it's sub-par. The Tzeentch sorcerer looks aweful, both the creature itself and it's pose look aweful in my opinion.

The Cockatrice looks lovely in my opinion, the only problems are the hand on the tail and of course Citidel Failcast. The Chimera still looks aweful in my eyes, it may be partially due to having looked at the Banebeasts Chimera recently, but it still looks pretty rubbish. The Manticore, it gets a lot of hate, but it's not the worst, I think it's better than the Chimera at least, it looks better with a rider, and some of the paint jobs haven't really helped it, but it does look ok. The Dragon looks gorgeous so long as you use the head that isn't stolen from a Hydra. The Greater Taurus and Lammasu are beautiful, while they are old and as a result small and the Taurus is a little goofy I love these models, I'm exstatic to have them back, even in Failcast, and plan to buy a Lammasu as soon as it comes out and I have the money

The Vortex Templates are gone from the US site. They do not even show up on a search. They are still on the UK site. I wonder is somebody got a lot of these to sell on ebay.

Well if you're willing to pay twice the price (+shipping) you can still get 'em from the GWOZ store.

Anaxagoras wrote:Had old He-man toys when I was young, they didn't look like this terrain...but hey meaningless hyperbole is fun, right?

100,000% agree. He-man and the Masters of the Universe playsets were never that hammy.

Cockatrice is nice, better than all the other monsters by far. It fits well with the lore and aesthetic. While cartoony may work for dwarves, it does not for the other monsters. Don't know what to think of the one-pose one-character plastic kits...no variation, no truly fanastic detail. The concept is sound but the execution...no so much. at $22 a pop, I expect more than one pose on a single model. These are not the same quality as IoB which is really disappointing (with the epic Skaven Warlord and High Elf Mage sculpts).

Looking at their list of monsters that can be used, seems like just about everything is there.

I might have to make a zombified Stegodon and Carnosaur. Actually, that's a pretty appealing idea.


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Ehsteve wrote:at $22 a pop, I expect more than one pose on a single model. These are not the same quality as IoB which is really disappointing (with the epic Skaven Warlord and High Elf Mage sculpts).

Huh? The only multipose characters so far have been the characters that come in a full box, like the Space Marine captain and Terminator lord. And they're far more than $22au. Everything else has been single pos metal, and is the same price as the plastics.

Exactly. These aren't plastic kits, they're single frames. They're just the logical plastic equivalent of a single-pose metal model (only lighter, easier to put together and far easier to convert). It's a big step in the right direction for GW.

I like the look of the HQ frames as well. Maybe there’s hope for GW yet.

For $44 I can get 2 models for the Empire General kit. It is double the cost yes, but you get double the models and poseability and beautiful, beautiful leftover bits.

For $41 I can get 2 models from the Empire Wizards kit, same deal, and I save a whole $1!

Same deal with the High Elf Mage, High Elf Prince and Noble, Orc Warboss.

Only thing I'm saying is that those kits are not worth the $22, if they were sitting around $18 I could understand. Even for GWOZ that could be considered 'reasonable'. The concept is good, but could definitely be finetuned. That and these models don't exactly wow me with their static poses. Island of Blood: great single pose easy to assemble characters, but the 20mm base character go off ebay for $5-$7 a model while these are sitting pretty at $22.

And what part of "these aren't kits" did you fail to comprehend there Rob?

They're worth as much as the metal models (not from a material cost perspective) because that's basically what they're there to replace. An Empire General kit is meant to represent all sorts of things - different weapons, mounted/unmounted, BSB, etc. A Tzeentch Sorcerer kit is just there to represent that - a Tzeentch Sorcerer kit. It's no different to a Jump Pack Chaplain or Commissar Yarrick.

My point has been to justify their cost, which I have yet to be convinced. They lack value in my eyes at the moment. I have stated the idea is great, but that I'm not racing to my nearest GW to buy one because they do not hold the same value to me as a metal character or plastic character kit, which they are pinning the cost of these models against. These models do not measure up.

Why don't they hold the same value as the metal ones?

Watched Jurassic Park last night H.B.M.C and a quote just popped into my mind regarding what you said

"Are those heavy?"

"Yeah"

"Then there expensive, put 'em down"

:-D

So did I! Gotta admit, it's a cracking film, especially due to it not using CGI!

I preferred the quote "Clever girl." but I can see that your quote kinda fits the thread, as opposed to mine.

Yup, even after all these years and me being now 25, I STILL love it. Original and the best!

We're getting off topic, but Jurassic Park happens to be my all time fav film, so unintentional apropos guys. Well done.

But it does use CGI, quite a bit of it, and quite a bit of it still holds up today.

ghosty wrote:So did I! Gotta admit, it's a cracking film, especially due to it not using CGI!

Yes, it was rubbish when they didn't use real dinosaurs in the sequels.

The unbearable in defence of the inexcusable...

Anaxagoras wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:


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There is no amount of paint jobs/camera angles/smoke and mirrors that can cover up what ugly bloody minis those monsters are. They are all 'not very good'. Given Trish (Carden/Morrison)'s Carmine Dragon on Warhammer Forge and how much I like it, I can only guess she was very rushed for these things.

With the exception of the stairwell, the rest of the terrain is goofy, immature and daft. It's like old He-Man toys.

The wizards, on the other hand, are all bloody excellent. The Dark Elf and Tzeentch ones especially. Nelson is on top of the game, just like Goodwin.

I actually quite prefer the GW one. And at about 1/2 the price.

Had old He-man toys when I was young, they didn't look like this terrain...but hey meaningless hyperbole is fun, right?

Why is my comment hyperbole? Could you explain what I have exaggerated or do you not understand the meaning of the word? As to meaningless, I have put forward an objective criticism as a collector of the GW miniatures for over 20 years, my opinion carries as much weight as anyone else on this forum. What qualification do I need to pass your test?

I think there is a similarity and it's a shame as it's overly exaggerated aesthetic reminds me of cartoons, not the dark fantasy setting I have loved from WHFRP and RoC.

Anaxagoras wrote:
"They look like toys" is an easily dismissive way to bash anything that requires no justification. If you don't like the aesthetic you don't like the aesthetic, but I don't really see how much of this release looks more or less like "toys" than most of GW's releases, and if you just don't like GW aesthetic, well why would you even bother to keep posting?

Maybe... just maybe... there are several aesthetics in GW stuff? I personally believe that I've been seeing a very strong shift in the overall fantasy aesthetic just recently with the last orc and goblin releases, these monsters, and so on taking on a very heavy 'WoW' look that I pesonally don't care for at all as it seems to detract from the dark fantasy that WHFB used to do so well. Hyper-expressive at the detriment of fine detail and subtlety.

Anaxagoras wrote:
Everybody keeps stroking this new Infinity game, which to me looks like cheap anime crap, but I don't sit on whatever infinity threads are out there to dog on them.

Well, you're in a minority there, just as from the general comments here, you are also in a very small minority. Leaping up and down in that minority and being rude and all... did you bother to stop and consider why others have come to this conclusion?

Anaxagoras wrote:
I really feel like bitching about GW is almost as big a hobby as playing GW...what a sad little world some people live in.

Welcome to Dakka, we are allowed to make criticisms here, if you don't like it, feel free to set sail to one of the more 'happyjoy' forums for the blindly faithful.

Good Day Sir.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Welcome to Dakka, we are allowed to make criticisms here, if you don't like it, feel free to set sail to one of the more 'happyjoy' forums for the blindly faithful.

And by that he means 'Warseer'.

MeanGreanStompa wrote:Welcome to Dakka, we are allowed to make criticisms here

Pfft, we are?

I really feel like bitching about GW is almost as big a hobby as playing GW...what a sad little world some people live in.

The only thing GW give away for free these days is plenty of ammunition and an unmissable target.
I like easy hobbies so it would be folly not to take them up on the kind offer!

Sidstyler wrote:

MeanGreanStompa wrote:Welcome to Dakka, we are allowed to make criticisms here

Pfft, we are?

As long as it's about GW. Everyone else is flawless.

I don't like the font Infinity uses on its website
Does that count?

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:I don't like the font Infinity uses on its website
Does that count?

Hater!

I'm rather annoyed at the similarity between these two.

Avatars of War did it first....and more...inspiring.



GW version

AoW has boobies. Can't have that now. Everyone knows females in wargaming are a myth.

Looking over the pics, I really like the terrain.. especially the stuff with the purple bricks.. looks cool and magicy. Cool idea that I might steal. I think I might get a cockatrice, others I'm not sure about.

Anyone know how the Arachranok works in SoM? is it the same as what's in the orcs & goblins book, or could you take it as just the spider itself for other armies? I just finished painting mine but didn't start on the top part so I might just leave it and use it as an extra monster for my lizards I have tons of other gobliny stuff so I don't think the spider will be missed... might be fun to put some skinks on top though...

Admit it Necros, you just want a Skinkapault.

Deadshane1 wrote:I'm rather annoyed at the similarity between these two.

Avatars of War did it first....and more...inspiring.



GW version

I see your Avatar's of War and raise you some reapers (The avatar's of war looks the best, though. ):

Released 4/30/07


And, for completion... Released 5/03/2010

It's true. Nothing says I love you like a skink in the face.

Sorry Kanners
but ain't no one gonna call me an apologist...



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Anyone else wondering what they are singing?



Sorry (again) but just couldn't resist.

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Anyone else wondering what they are singing?



Sorry (again) but just couldn't resist.

its the chorus line for the first national tour of "The Book of Morathi" coming soon to an opera house near you.

That beats "It's a Kind of Magic" that I was thinking of.

"What's new today" article on Storm of Magic is onlien with a few more pics:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/blogPost.jsp?aId=17400001a&utm_source=VoxCaster&utm_medium=twitter&utm_term=new-blog&utm_content=new-blog&utm_campaign=VoxCaster-New-Blog-Posts









More pics and info on the GW website.

You forgot one, Kroothawk.

and whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?! 45 new monsters!?
that means...if they dont release them all...that will be LOTS OF GREEN STUFF!!!
costly.

Kroothawk wrote:More pics and info on the GW website.

Kanluwen wrote:You forgot one, Kroothawk.

Erm ... no!

ivan55599 wrote:and whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?! 45 new monsters!?

Actually 45 types of monsters, some further subdivided, making 60-70 total.
All monsters that they once had models for. BTW next batch of binding spells already in August.

Seriously, seriously considering grabbing the Raging Heroes Manticore and the Maelstrom Chimera. They'd look good with the GW Cockatrice.

Anyone else notice the OK Butcher? Is that new?

I do now, and I like it!

This Storm of Magic stuff actually looks quite awesome, all though Magic already seems quite powerful in 8th, even with the whole IF=Miscast.

I especially like the new character sprues, but when I saw the Sorceress's face, all I could think of was this stupid meme:

em_en_oh_pee wrote:Anyone else notice the OK Butcher? Is that new?

well, yes and no. the body is from the old model but i believe the head and weapon is new or possibly just a conversion.

Still, promising to see a new direction for them. The skintone certainly is a change from the current greyish look. It might be something new, considering rumors are pointing to them getting a new armybook soon, but who knows for sure.

em_en_oh_pee wrote:Still, promising to see a new direction for them. The skintone certainly is a change from the current greyish look. It might be something new, considering rumors are pointing to them getting a new armybook soon, but who knows for sure.

Looks like a mix of skull and dheneb with leviathan to me. Most of GW's site photos have brightness adjustments anyway.
What puzzles me is the color of the highlight they do on her black hair. They have a habit of confusing it with codex grey + black or shadow grey in their tutorials.

Anyone else see the bare Finecast cockatrice in WNT? He said it "came out very clean", but look at the base where its tail is coiled up...doesn't that look like a nasty mess of bubbles on the scales? Look at the painted pic next to it and it just looks kinda weird at the bottom.

I've suspected that the first made as Finecast models (ie. have always been Fiencast and not metal) would be better than the ones that were originally metal models.

Still wish Finecast was a stopgap for 100% plastic though...

I would disagree, the DE haemonculus is a trueborn ( ) Finecast model and, while the ones in the store I saw didn't have any real MAJOR defects, there were enough missing fingers and thumbs to put me off, lol...

FYI from GW:

"Just a product update for those of you excited about Storm of Magic: we (the web dudes) got our hands on a few hundred extra sets of Vortex Templates in Europe; for customers who missed out at the weekend, this is the last chance to get them..."

If you go to the GW website and switch to the UK site (where applicable) they now have a few Storm Of Magic Vortex Template sets to sell. After that, it will be try your luck on release day at the store or eBay.

Does anyone see a way to fix the dragon head of the Chimera, outside of a healthy dose of iodine?

Very disappointed that the plastic characters don't seem to come with any options.

Quite lazy of GW.

For those that missed the vortex templates, this was posted on the GW Facebook page today.

Just a product update for those of you excited about Storm of Magic: we (the web dudes) got our hands on a few hundred extra sets of Vortex Templates in Europe; for customers who missed out at the weekend, this is the last chance to get them...

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1250222a

Kid_Kyoto wrote:Very disappointed that the plastic characters don't seem to come with any options.

Quite lazy of GW.

The new WD references these as a new offering (single pose, plastic blister). Jervis' article talks about them. I think its great if they offer more of these, and perhaps the solution to the finecast problems.

Wow, I'll be able to use my Great Taurus and Lammasu. To the closet, batman and don't forget the feather duster!

agnosto wrote: To the closet, batman and don't forget the feather duster!

Ok, that is sig worthy.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:Very disappointed that the plastic characters don't seem to come with any options.

Quite lazy of GW.

No complaints from me, the sprues look like they can be easily kit bashed (perhaps not the DE Sorceress), especially the heads. My bits box already has plenty of options for these guys.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:Very disappointed that the plastic characters don't seem to come with any options.

Most metal models don't come with any options, why would these be any different?

Well reading through the articles on the GW site I found this mention

There are even a few monsters that have been resurrected from days gone by, which will certainly raise a smile from those of you old enough to remember them - the Fimir, Zoats, the Great Taurus and the Lammasu (The Chaos Dwarf Sorcerers will be pleased). The book includes the full rules for all these monsters and creatures so that you can summon them to fight in your army. Who knows, we might even re-release a few of the models.

Now we know the Lammasu, Greater Taurus and Albion Models are on their way, but when they say might and a few it kinda implies they won't be making the other things their bringing back such as Zoats or Fimir. Now I for one seriously hope they do make Zoats and Fimir, I'm a huge fan of those old models and they are painfully hard to get hold of (I keep being outbid on eBay and elsewhere their very difficult to get)

So if GW don't release these models their gonna be impossible to use without counts as models as they won't be available on GW's site and nobody realy makes models quite like them. GW if you ever s ee this, or anyone from your site does, please make Zoat and Fimir models, I for one would get loads of each to make units of them.

To continue my 1970 TV show references, I'll say this.

Holy flames of Hashut batman! The CD references are really making me hope that they're going to release chaos dwarfs again (outside the FW models of course).

I can just hear my evil stunties stirring around in the closet, rattling the confines of their foam enclosures. bwahahahahaha.

Ok, I really need to lay off of the sweet tarts before posting.

I will be buying both the Great Taurus AND Lammasu, and await the day GW brings out Chaos Dwarfs.

Or convert them...

Or buy them off eBay, that's what I've been doing

Lol if only I had some more money to get more, I love CD's (is it lame that I'm building three different CD armies? One Bighat, one Warhammer Forge and one Abyssal Dwarfs lol)

But yeah, I have a feeling that the value of Lammasu and Greater Taurus metal riders has gone up a lot

agnosto wrote:To continue my 1970 TV show references, I'll say this.

Holy flames of Hashut batman! The CD references are really making me hope that they're going to release chaos dwarfs again (outside the FW models of course).

I can just hear my evil stunties stirring around in the closet, rattling the confines of their foam enclosures. bwahahahahaha.

Ok, I really need to lay off of the sweet tarts before posting.

Pretty unlikely. GW wouldn't have let them do the army if they were considering doing them as well. Internal competition isn't a good thing.

-Loki- wrote:
Pretty unlikely. GW wouldn't have let them do the army if they were considering doing them as well. Internal competition isn't a good thing.

They've only released elite-ish units and a few arcane warmachines so far, just like for empire. Deep down, I know you're right but a small part of me hopes that they'll make plastics so they're cheaper than $50 per 10 which I'm not willing to pay.

Are the templates all sold out? Can't see them on the GW, Maelstrom or Wayland Games Websites.

agnosto wrote:Wow, I'll be able to use my Great Taurus and Lammasu. To the closet, batman and don't forget the feather duster!

I'm trying to figure out a suitable Counts As for a 1984 Tom Meier Oriental Dragon. Yes, they are GW models

I've worked out though....

For any army? I'll have 2 Black Dragons, 1 Hydra, 2 Carnosaurs, 2 Stegadons, 1 Rhinox, the Oriental Dragon and Somewhere in the Region of 30 Cold Ones to use if I wanted

Watching Paint Dry wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:Very disappointed that the plastic characters don't seem to come with any options.

Quite lazy of GW.

The new WD references these as a new offering (single pose, plastic blister). Jervis' article talks about them. I think its great if they offer more of these, and perhaps the solution to the finecast problems.

Rofl, 8 quid for a barebones plastic model. (a tenner after 18 months of price rises)

I remember when people used to laugh at the rip off that was 3 orcs or marines for a fiver, new suckers are born every minute.

fizzelopeguss wrote:

Watching Paint Dry wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:Very disappointed that the plastic characters don't seem to come with any options.

Quite lazy of GW.

The new WD references these as a new offering (single pose, plastic blister). Jervis' article talks about them. I think its great if they offer more of these, and perhaps the solution to the finecast problems.

Rofl, 8 quid for a barebones plastic model. (a tenner after 18 months of price rises)

I remember when people used to laugh at the rip off that was 3 orcs or marines for a fiver, new suckers are born every minute.

Look at the sucker buying the hobby item he wants and can afford. What a sucker. He's probably going home to paint it or use it in a game he enjoys. Just like a sucker.

Huh. Dragon with all nines for a statline. Wonder how much THAT thing's going to be spammed as a mount.

Look at the sucker buying the hobby item he wants and can afford. What a sucker. He's probably going home to paint it or use it in a game he enjoys. Just like a sucker.

Some members on Dakka express such enthusiasm and unconditional joy at getting something new for their gaming, that one cannot help feel anything but happiness for them. Even though they will be dropping the equivalent of a month's groceries and more on toy soldiers.

Then there are those that just have no sense of value and worth of anything and buy any sparkly overpriced gewjaw just because they can.

To the former may they long continue to have such blessings, to the latter Loadza Manniezz a pox on their house. May their glue ne'er adhere bolter nor blade; may their blades be a bane and their bones rattle snakes' eyes.

Sweet Jesus that Emperor Chaos Dragon is redonkculous! And it's nice to see other races summoning demons. That's always nice.

I still have no idea what a Fimir or Zoat is.

Noisy_Marine wrote:
I still have no idea what a Fimir or Zoat is.

Fimir:



Zoat:

Zoats are reptilian centaur like creatures.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Zoat

Does anyone know if the Toad Dragon gets an entry? I really like the actual Toad Dragon model, so any reason to buy one and use it would be awesome.

the caracter models look really cool I will definetly be getting a few of them wonder why they are not in resin could this be anything to do withe the issues they have been having with the quality control ???

Noisy_Marine wrote:

I still have no idea what a Fimir or Zoat is.

As I recall from my WHFRP book Fimir were demonic mist-dwelling rapists.

Zoats were centaur-like forest dwelling nature lovers. I'm pretty sure they ended up in the Tyranid army in 40k because a Citadel sculptor decided one would look cool with a gun and they didn't know what else to do with it.

You could always buy one and use as a counts as another type of dragon for your army, Loki.
Would have thought FW models unlikely to be officially included

Zombiesr
Doubt that the Finecast problems would have any bearing on the decision to make the characters in plastic.
The tooling would have had to have been a while back AFAIK

plastictrees wrote:

Noisy_Marine wrote:

I still have no idea what a Fimir or Zoat is.

As I recall from my WHFRP book Fimir were demonic mist-dwelling rapists.

Basically. Fimir could only reproduce with other races. Other than the female shamans that lead them(one per tribe, IIRC), there were only males.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:You could always buy one and use as a counts as another type of dragon for your army, Loki.

I could, but it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense. Dragons are fast and flighty. Toad Dragons are slow and lardy.

Give it a jet pack?


hmmm
okay, maybe not

Noisy_Marine wrote:I still have no idea what a Fimir or Zoat is.

Zoats:

Zoats were a mystic druid-like race living deep in the forests of the old world, sometimes appearing in Wood Elf Armies. They were magical and Dragon Ogre strength in combat but were pretty slow. For some unknown reason Lizardmen feared the Zoats. They also appeared in Warhammer 40,000 as a genetically engineered slave race to the Tyranids, but were completely removed from canon in 40K, and until now it was believed they were lost completely from Fantasy too, but apparently not.

Fimir

The Fimir are a cycloptian and half daemon races that live in the swamps of the north west of the Old World, mainly in Albion, based on the legends of the Fomorians. Fimir females are infertile and rare, so the Fimir used to capture females of other races to breed (very much like the Deep Ones from H.P Lovecraft's works), which combined with bad rules and not that many sales was why they were removed as an army originally. They also generated a fog around themselves to shroud them from missile weapons.

It's not 100% confirmed that models of these will be coming out, but there will definitely be rules for them and most likely they will make them given that they've remade the Albion Figures, the Lammasu and Greater Taurus. I love the Zoats and Fimir, both are great races, and would make lovely additions to the game. While there are many things I dislike about GW recently, I am happy with them for re-releasing many of their old discontinued models/rules, Albion Miniatures, Chaos Dwarfs (Both WHF and CF), Zoats, Fimir. Really now I'm just waiting for Kislev returning, maybe even some of the old 40K stuff like Squats or Pretorians

Oh and -Loki- why not buy one and use the Arachnarok rules for it?

Murdock129 wrote:Oh and -Loki- why not buy one and use the Arachnarok rules for it?

I was hoping to not have some way to use it so I didn't go spend $200au on it. That's a good idea. Crap.

And as much as I loved fimir, I hated zoats in equal measure.

lol, maybe it's just because I'm dumber than rocks, but I thought What's New Today was kinda funny...even if it was mostly because of the "aww" factor of the rabbit.

Oh hell, if GW starts taking photos of product next to cute fluffy animals then there really will be no stopping them. "Yeah we know Finecast sucks, but you really want it anyway because BUNNY."

Out this Saturday folks.

Is indeed a very fine looking tome, some of the artwork is gorgeous. There are indeed rules for all manner of beasties, which do indeed include some old blasts from the past.

Nice to see GW remembering AND embracing its past!

Is that a unicorn?

I have never encountered a more terrifying and ferocious beast than the unicorn.

Sidstyler wrote:I have never encountered a more terrifying and ferocious beast than the unicorn.

Maybe not but maybe I can finally realise my long-term ambition of an army of My Little Ponies...

lol
Unicorns should have goats heads iirc
and are flesh eaters!

I am alright though cos I am a virgin.

filbert wrote:
Maybe not but maybe I can finally realise my long-term ambition of an army of My Little Ponies...

I'm still trying to get hold of 10 grey pegasus ponies with blonde manes....

Yes, I am going to be fielding them as replacement cold ones for when I fail stupidity tests on the Derpy Hooves Brigade.

So glad I kept my unit of 12 Fimir. It was a unit of 20, but over the years tails and heads got sent off to various conversions.)

Should have kept my zoats.(

There is a bit of fluff about the zoats in 40k. In the old rules, they had very good communication abilities and were used as go betweens with other races. That doesn't quite fit the Tyranid fluff now. There is an entry about a race of quadraped xenos fleeing from the Tyranids and coming to the Imperials for sanctuary. Subsequently wiped out of course, because you can new trust a dirty xenos.

Now that zoats have traveled from 40k back to WFB, maybe we will see a return of the squats. Probably pretty easy to take squats, strip off the technology, and toss them into the WFB world, maybe as a race of underground, beer drinking engineers.

Alpharius wrote:Nice to see GW remembering AND embracing its past!

Pity they've yet to embrace the future.



*rimshot*

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Alpharius wrote:Nice to see GW remembering AND embracing its past!

Pity they've yet to embrace the future.



*rimshot*

And today the internets you have won.

Acardia wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Alpharius wrote:Nice to see GW remembering AND embracing its past!

Pity they've yet to embrace the future.



*rimshot*

And today the internets you have won.

Is that a good thing? With how much bs if flung around these days, the prize for winning the internets is probably 6 tons of raw sewage.

mikhaila wrote:

Acardia wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Alpharius wrote:Nice to see GW remembering AND embracing its past!

Pity they've yet to embrace the future.



*rimshot*

And today the internets you have won.

Is that a good thing? With how much bs if flung around these days, the prize for winning the internets is probably 6 tons of raw sewage.

Actually, I think it's rules-as-intended sewage, but i'm sure no one really minds either way.

So has anyone gotten a game in of SoM yet? I haven't been to my FLGS yet, so I haven't even been able to look at the book yet.